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Hello and welcome to Tracks of 
Our Queers. 

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My name is Andy Gott and each 
episode I chat to a fascinating 

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queer person about their 
relationship with music via one 

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song, one album, and one artist 
that have each soundtrack their 

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life. 
I will never forget it the first

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time I saw a video in my feed by
Mardi. 

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A strikingly beautiful older 
woman looks deep down the barrel

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of a camera to tell you that 
she's one of those transgender 

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women you read about online but 
are so rare to hear from as it 

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was even harder in the 70s and 
80s than it is today. 

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Queers and non queers alike 
follow Mardi, or Mardi Pants as 

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she's known online for her lived
testimony. 

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In gripping short clips, Mardi 
shares stories from her youth as

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a queer child escaping their 
small town in Western Canada for

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the bright lights of Calgary and
Vancouver, through to causing a 

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commotion on stage and gay clubs
through the 80s onto her journey

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of sobriety and reaching the 
fulfilled, happy life she shares

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today with her husband. 
Mardi's testimony exists both to

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show younger trans folk that a 
long, happy, fabulous life is 

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possible, and to remind all of 
us again that trans people have 

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always been here. 
Beyond this, her content covers 

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tangents like some of the 
incredible queer people she came

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up with who are no longer with 
us today and how she honours 

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them, the importance of breaking
the binary across the entire 

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gender spectrum, and of course 
fairly sensational lip sync 

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clips to tracks she wants 
performed in nightclubs. 

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If I could define tracks of our 
queers catnip in a guest, Mahdi 

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would be it. 
In addition to her video 

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content, Mahdi produces her own 
podcast, A Life Lived Trans, 

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with her fellow presenter Lenny 
Zee, who've collectively 

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together been transitioning for 
over 100 years. 

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What a fabulous century. 
The show is a beautiful chat 

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show with your trans auntie and 
uncle, interviewing younger and 

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older trans folk including 
Alexandra Billings and Vivian 

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Wilson. 
Yes, that Vivian Wilson, the 

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daughter of Elon Musk and again 
continues to serve as testimony 

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for what trans lives were like 
in the 70s, eighties, 90s and 

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what they're like now. 
Tracks of our queers is firmly 

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and proudly A1 queer band. 
So if you enjoy this episode, 

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you can buy me a coffee. 
LinkedIn the episode show notes 

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your support covers the costs 
associated with the show and 

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significantly helps me rely a 
fraction less on my day job. 

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Thank you in advance. 
All right, over to Mardi. 

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OK, Marty, welcome to Tracks of 
Our Queers. 

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Thank you, so great to be here. 
I love your podcast. 

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That's so good to hear. 
It's so good to have you here. 

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Let's begin with the beginning. 
Marty, I'd love to know what is 

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your earliest childhood musical 
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Wow. 
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probably all that corny stuff 
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in 19, 62. 
So my first memories was, you 

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know, me and my sister had those
little suitcases that you opened

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and that you could play your 
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And so, yeah, there was all of 
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1950s songs and, you know, all 
that really conservative 

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Lawrence Welk stuff that I was 
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this? 
I was just not resonating to it 

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at all until my mom put on. 
I can't remember what it was, 

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but it was a musical soundtrack.
I don't know if it was Sweet 

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Charity or something like that, 
but it had this pzazz to it and 

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my little ears woke up and I was
kind of like, what is this, you 

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know, type of thing? 
See me now, that little gang of 

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mine, fancy chow and drinking 
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That isn't the first time I've 
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about this kind of musical vinyl
in their parents home being a 

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gay way of like a glimmer of 
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yeah, come and listen to this a 
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Absolutely. 
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like my saving grace. 
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I was in a real kind of 
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And, you know, my mom did have a
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school, which, which was amazing
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She married my father, who is 
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She was trying to be the dutiful
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this stuff. 
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movies every weekend and we'd 
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My horizons were opened by her 
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she started putting me in 
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young. 
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A lot of touring productions 
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Calgary, AB, Canada. 
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they'd do auditions. 
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feed the birds from Mary Poppins
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know what I mean? 
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a savant and she was like a year
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almost looked identical. 
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old. 
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She was just like this little 
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She would come to the auditions 
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and everybody would giggle and 
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playing this rendition of Feed 
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And then I would sing. 
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those auditions. 
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definitely saved my life as a 
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that there was other stuff out 
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family that was conservative 
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That little that that listeners 
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That little flick of the head 
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doing, Would you say that maybe 
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Was your sister an ally for you 
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Like, was she someone who you 
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I want to say yes, so bad, but 
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I, her and I, she, she was so 
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roles when I was younger. 
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know, as my egg started, my 
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learning all this stuff because 
my mom had just a plethora of 

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gossip magazines by the toilet. 
So I was always, you know, Rona 

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Barrett magazines and learning, 
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Hollywood. 
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was this thing about Christine 
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So I started to realise that 
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do. 
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the, the girl that I couldn't 
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So we had this kind of unspoken 
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unfortunately, no. 
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got her first gig in a musical 
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been about 11 or 12. 
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She goes after her after her 
first performance. 

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She says, Marty, the applause is
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And I was just like, she's like 
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oh, my God, this. 
She has drank the kool-aid. 

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You know, at that age I was 
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insane. 
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She wasn't an ally. 
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in school and stuff. 
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This is gold, and in the 
inevitable HBO miniseries of 

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your life coming soon, your 
sister is clearly going to be a 

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character in episode 1. 
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Move on. 
So you spoke about your egg 

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cracking. 
I love that phrase because I 

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heard you ask that to someone 
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I love that phrase about the egg
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Tell me more about that. 
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opt that from the young whipper 
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Like they, you know, I heard 
them saying they're egg cracked 

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and I kind of got it right away.
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you're your first understanding 
of of trans and that it that 

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that, that, that, that you and 
that you that there was 

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something resonating with you 
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acted on it or not. 
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Yeah. 
Yeah, to come out doesn't really

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cover it. 
The other question I had was, I 

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really love any and all tales of
the queer escape from the small 

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town to the big city. 
And many of your selections that

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we'll get to in a bit do talk 
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to that big city. 
I can't wait for listeners to 

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hear about them. 
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exit, I guess, that adventure 
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What prompted you to leave and 
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Well, it's interesting because 
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that was kind of figuring it 
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We had all congregate in 
downtown Calgary and that was 

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where the hippies would be 
selling their wares in the 

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summer from the Okanoga and the 
fruit and their pot and all that

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stuff. 
And so as kids would hang around

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there and that's where I met the
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I was in cahoots with this young
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Tom Gardner that I knew ever 
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He was a theatre kid as well and
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We ended up he took me goes I 
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kids are queer kids are. 
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which is really sad because 
that's what it was working the 

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stroll at night type of thing. 
It was through Tom and theatre 

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because that's where queer kids 
met, you know, in theatre that 

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that's when I realised I wasn't 
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different world out there. 
That's where I actually met my 

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first trans friend. 
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in that park as well. 
She had run away the year before

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and can't and then and then came
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I'd met her briefly and then and
then she came back and she 

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looked like this young Pat 
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And I was just like, Oh my God, 
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So I knew that I had to migrate 
with everybody to Vancouver, to 

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Davie St, which was like the gay
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the time. 
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You know, it was just, it was 
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It was unbelievable. 
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the Greyhound bus with a lot of 
the migrainy kids because that's

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what everybody did. 
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all the survival workers, men 
and women and queer kids, they 

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would migrate from Montreal and 
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and into the fall over to 
Calgary and then to the West 

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Coast, because that's the 
warmest place where I live right

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now in in British Columbia. 
That was me coming out in 1978. 

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I was 16 and I was just 
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Calgary was such a little, yeah,
such a little, you know, Tau Pie

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Town. 
It was a very western and 

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everything. 
And then here was this 

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Shangri-La of queerdom and so 
much freedom, and I was in awe. 

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This was where I started to suck
up everything like a sponge. 

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And the gig was to find a trans 
mother that would help you 

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transition. 
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So I just hung out and waited 
until she came along, which was 

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Tiggy's. 
Tiggy's the year before, 

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Danielle Doucette. 
And she's this gorgeous trans 

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woman from transsexual, from 
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Sooner or later she showed up 
and I was living on her living 

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room floor in her apartment, 
just being her little Gopher. 

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Kind of like you were like an 
apprentice back then and you 

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would just kind of watch and 
listen and go get their laundry 

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or get different fabric or 
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And you just waited and kept 
asking when she would turn me. 

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It was like an Anne Rice novel 
for Christ's sakes, really, when

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you think about it. 
Oh, you're doing like your 

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10,000 hours, Like your 10,000 
hour? 

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Internship, it is like that. 
And then the day comes and it's 

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like, OK, you know, they would 
always sit at the table, sit at 

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the living room table and and 
the makeup mirrors would be 

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around the table and you know, 
and you know, and there'd always

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be a new person that would come 
over or anti so and so from 

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Montreal would be coming. 
And so you'd hear all the tales 

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as they're putting on their 
freaking Disney goddess faces 

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and and they're just 1970s like 
Cher wigs that were like, you 

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know, afros, but flat on the 
top. 

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Just disco the house down with 
glitter for days. 

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I was like, Oh my God, I don't 
know if I like this. 

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I want it, but I'll do anything.
I'll do anything just to figure 

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out how to do this because I was
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It could because growing up in a
modelling agency atmosphere with

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my mom, you know, at that, that 
Foo Foo and that real, that real

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drag I saw early in life type of
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And you know, I was Miss Canada.
I did a viral to talk about 

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being my mom dressing me up as 
Miss Canada, Canada when I was 

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like, I don't know, I think I 
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superpower when my mom dressed 
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school and nobody knew who I 
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So it's like, I guess why I'm 
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musical taste and everything 
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I, I, I could, I appreciated 
the, you know, the Foo Foo and 

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the glam and being sexy, you 
know, hey, big spender, Hey, big

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Spender. 
I I like the real raunchy stuff,

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you know, like Big Spender and 
even Jesus Christ Superstar. 

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It was Christian, but it was 
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Yeah. 
That was one of my favourite 

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albums to Jesus Christ 
Superstar. 

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I learned that from stem to 
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I could just play any part. 
It was just wonderful. 

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Jesus, you started to believe 
the things they say of you. 

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You really do believe this top 
of God is true? 

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And as you're sitting watching 
your mother apply makeup, put on

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the wigs, and this is your 
Vancouver mother, by the way, 

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we're talking about now. 
What's the soundtrack in the 

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background? 
What music is playing in the 

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background? 
Oh, God, What's playing in the 

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background? 
Would it be early Donna Summer? 

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Like the disco stuff? 
They're trying to remember who 

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early Pat Benatar, of course. 
Like I said, Pat Benatar. 

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The real disco Divas at the time
would be. 

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Yeah, Donna Summer was just, I 
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been her playing, 
you know, Kiki D and and Elton 

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John. 
That song Don't Go Breaking My 

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Heart was was all the rage. 
I remember bopping around Davie 

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St with a little transistor 
radio. 

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Now, these reflections, you're 
maybe not always aware of them 

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at the time. 
Maybe they come with hindsight. 

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I'd love to know. 
What did you feel like when you 

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were introduced to this 
community of people that you 

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felt this connection with in 
Vancouver? 

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But they were of different ages,
so you were very young and you 

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were meeting older people. 
Did you feel like you were 

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tapping into any kind of like 
lineage, like there were people 

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finally here who would being on 
a path similar to what you 

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wanted to go on yourself and you
could tap into some of their 

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wisdom and insight? 
Or am I totally imprinting and 

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it wasn't that deep? 
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was like, what can I learn to 
continue on with my journey here

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type of thing. 
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and seeing as fantastical as it 
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there. 
I wanted to be in the 

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mainstream. 
It's like I was going in 1978, 

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our LGBTQ centres were the 
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Especially for young trans queer
kids, it was the streets because

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you couldn't get into the clubs,
but you learned so much word of 

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mouth, what doctors, where to 
get clothes or where it was safe

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to go get stuff. 
So it wasn't, I see the stuff 

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like pose and everything and the
stuff that happened on the East 

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Coast and whatnot. 
And there was such family and 

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stuff like that too. 
I find that the white trans 

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experience in Western Canada was
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And it was very, very, very 
sick. 

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You know, we really glamorise it
too, you know, type of thing. 

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But I was essayed by my trans 
mother, right? 

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And you just kind of let it 
happen because you wanted to 

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know the knowledge, you know 
what I mean? 

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And that happens a lot. 
So I think, you know, we sugar 

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coat it because we want to make 
it palatable for the mouses and 

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stuff. 
But you know, there was a lot of

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sick people were unhealed. 
They unhealed were trying to 

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help you, if you will. 
So I never really felt safe, but

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I knew that it was worth the 
payoff. 

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Just like, you know, Tiggy and 
I, we thought, OK, it's better 

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to not be at home and pick the 
abuse than stay at home and be 

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abused. 
It's kind of one of those 

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things, I don't mean to be a 
Debbie Downer, but it's true. 

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It's it's but as fantastical it 
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And, you know, and so we threw 
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as we're learning, and we just 
made it all like this crazy fun,

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like we just, you know, as queer
kids do with all of their pain, 

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right? 
It's actually really critical 

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for you to paint the full 
picture when telling these 

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stories because I put myself 
right in the core of this. 

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You know, I said to you earlier 
that you were painting a very 

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cinematic scene. 
We look at the past through rose

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tinted glasses because the past 
becomes this scene in a movie. 

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That's why the testimony of 
people like yourself is so 

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important, because it's it's not
that simple. 

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It's not as easy to glaze over 
and say that was just such a 

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lovely time because it wasn't. 
I think that's why so many 

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people are drawn to your videos,
and that's a great segue. 

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I would like to, if you're a Co,
go from your past to your 

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present and there's a big chunk 
in the middle that we're going 

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to get to with the music. 
I will never forget. 

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Actually, to quote one of your 
phrases, I didn't mean to do 

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that. 
I will never forget it. 

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It's so iconic. 
That has to be the title of your

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memoirs or something. 
It's so iconic. 

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I think Bette Midler would have 
something to say with like that 

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because that's her line. 
That's her line. 

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I remember the first video of 
yours that came into my feed. 

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You very clearly say in the 
opening, it's a hawk. 

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It's an amazing hook. 
You say that you're one of those

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transgender women that you've 
read about online. 

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Immediately you're in because in
that sentence, you communicate 

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that you're here and that you've
lived a life that you're going 

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to speak about those stories 
worth telling. 

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You're here because trans people
can and do live long full lives 

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that not long ago the chances of
that were far lower. 

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So that's why your story 
matters. 

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When I look at the comments, 
every time that you post a 

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video, I go to the comments and 
I see what people are saying. 

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I'm sure that you see a whole 
picture there of comments, but 

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people are just desperate for 
that connection to the past, to 

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people who've come before them, 
to people who have wisdom and 

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knowledge and understanding that
they can share and to know that 

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they're not alone. 
That's what people want to know.

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And you represent all of that 
and so much more. 

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So I guess I'd love to know what
prompted you to pick up the 

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phone and do your first 
recording. 

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Well, great question. 
It was 2017 when I first 

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visually showed myself online. 
It was like a few years before 

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that that I actually went online
period. 

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And I had come through another 
stealth era as we do as 

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transsexual women throughout the
decades, type of thing. 

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You know, it depends on where 
you are and where it's safe to 

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come out. 
I ended up first starting a 

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Twitter account because I was 
right starting to write some of 

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my stories on a WordPress and 
people said start a Twitter 

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account and then you can get 
people to repost it. 

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So I did that. 
And then also these people like 

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Laverne Cox and Trace Lissette 
and Angelica Ross were following

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me. 
I didn't even know who they 

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were. 
And they were like, they were up

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and some of them were just up 
and coming too. 

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But but then all of a sudden, 
Laverne Cox, she's on the cover 

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of Time magazine and I'm like, 
what? 

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The transgender tipping point? 
And I'm going, Oh my God, it's 

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like this is happening. 
She was like, we're getting my 

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stories out and stuff. 
She says you have to keep 

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writing. 
You have to keep doing this. 

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It's so important. 
I actually blame it on Laverne 

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Cox. 
All of this stuff. 

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If you're sick of seeing me on. 
Laverne. 

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Cox's fault because she said, 
and she was so great and 

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reposting my stuff and whatnot, 
and she kind of gave me that 

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first kick. 
And then I happened to have just

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been married for three years and
I was finally in a real safe 

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relationship with a man that is 
the salt of the earth and just a

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really good guy. 
I'm in a place of privilege to 

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where I was never before in the 
sense of just being safe. 

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Don't get twisted. 
I'm in a little cottage, you 

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know, overlooking the sea, but 
it's just a little cottage. 

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I ended up turning on YouTube 
for Transgender Day of 

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Visibility. 
My knees were just knocking and,

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and because I just wanted to, 
you know, get it out there, be 

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able to start to share my story.
It was weird. 

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It was almost like running away 
when I was a kid, but there was 

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no rhyme or reason to it. 
I just felt like I had to do it.

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And that's kind of like with 
this, I was so full of fears and

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stuff that it wasn't until three
years later during the pandemic 

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that I started this thing called
TikTok. 

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You know what I mean? 
And the reason why I started the

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TikTok is because I started 
seeing. 

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All these kids on it that were 
trans and queer saying, Oh my 

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God, I'm not going to live past 
my 20s and there's no older 

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people. 
It's like they're all killed and

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stuff like that. 
And then I started hearing the 

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the trolls that were coming out,
these poor kids, these kids 

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saying, like, oh, it's on your 
head. 

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It's because of the pandemic and
everything's locked down. 

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And that's why you guys are all 
trans now and stuff like that. 

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And that's when I was like, 
honey to my husband, hold my 

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Diet Coke. 
I'm going to flip on this 

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camera. 
And I was just like, hello, Hi, 

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guess what? 
You know, I got a story. 

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I got a story to tell you. 
The reason why we're not here is

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because of exactly what you're 
doing to those kids. 

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You just did not want us to be 
here. 

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And you made it too hard. 
And that's what keeps me going 

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today. 
I have to keep reminding these 

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kids today that get so depressed
with the all of these rights 

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that are being taken away. 
I have to keep telling them, 

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remember, we had no rights to be
taken away before we're here. 

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The horn has been blown. 
You know, it's like they're 

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cooked, man. 
There's no way we're not going 

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back. 
The genies not going back in the

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bottle. 
They're freaking the fuck out. 

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So just hold on. 
Just hold on. 

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Because, you know, if I could 
wake up my friend Tiggy and all 

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the ones that didn't make it out
of the 80s because of suicide 

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and murder and and AIDS, you 
know what I mean? 

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They would just be like, what? 
This is what you're dealing with

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today. 
Let's roll up our hands and keep

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going. 
This is amazing. 

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So just to keep it in 
perspective and don't get me 

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wrong, I know it's all relative 
and our sufferings hard, but but

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you know, there is safe places 
today. 

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I didn't want to have to go and 
do sex work in Vancouver. 

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I was writing to Carol Burnett 
and Carol Burnett told me to go 

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take television Arts and 
Sciences in Berkeley. 

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And that's what I was going to 
do. 

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Then I had to make the choice 
because there was it was unheard

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of to like, you know, transition
and and you know, how do you do 

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that as you're going to school? 
There was just in the last few 

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years, I've met young women that
talk to me privately. 

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They're not open, they're not 
open in public about being 

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trans. 
Sometimes they're even married 

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and the guy doesn't even know. 
One of them was actually pulled 

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out of a lecture hall trying to 
go to school. 

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Her parents even moved them when
she was young to a different 

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city, like a witness protection 
programme. 

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She went to college and somehow 
they found out that she was 

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trans and pulled her out of a 
lecture hall and told her 

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parents. 
They did it to protect the other

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students. 
That's how bad it was back then 

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in the 80s. 
So that's why I didn't even 

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bother back then because, you 
know, the vibe was there. 

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It was like, I didn't have that 
support. 

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And even when you did, it was 
still hard. 

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Oh, let's get back to the music.
This is. 

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Depressing, you know, I don't 
want to stay in a depressing 

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place. 
We are here to talk about music.

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Made a few references to someone
I'm not purposely ignoring 

447
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,600
because I actually had written 
down a question about them. 

448
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,440
And I guess I would love to know
more about Tiggy. 

449
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,120
You talk about Tiggy a lot. 
Tiggy features in your content a

450
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,280
lot. 
I've seen videos about Tiggy. 

451
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,120
I've read your writings. 
And to me, Tiggy seems to 

452
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:28,440
represent many things to you. 
What I interpret is Tiggy's path

453
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,720
in life could have been a path 
that you'd gone down, or your 

454
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,760
path in life could have been a 
path that Tiggy could have gone 

455
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,080
down. 
It's kind of like a through the 

456
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,560
Looking glass moment. 
I don't know if I'm just putting

457
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,440
words into your mouth, but 
actually you tell you tell me 

458
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,120
about Tiggy. 
Yeah, no, that's very true. 

459
00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,680
It's like when I said that when 
she came back after that year 

460
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,320
and she looked like Pat Benatar,
she was this Metis. 

461
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,920
I don't know in this, I don't 
know if people some people don't

462
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,840
know what that means, but that 
means it's French Canadian and 

463
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,120
and and Indigenous. 
So she was just gorgeous 

464
00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:02,160
cheekbones to cut glass and you 
know, huge lips and just perfect

465
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,520
rib cage and just Playtex 
nursers in one year. 

466
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,640
It was just like unbelievable. 
Her her body, right. 

467
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,600
And then unfortunately, as the 
years progressed, secondary 

468
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,600
characteristics kicked in and 
there was not the medications 

469
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,280
available like there is today to
stop puberty or even the anti 

470
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,120
testosterone. 
So my kind of Nordic features 

471
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,880
kicked in and you know, I'm 
tall, thin, Nordic type of 

472
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,480
thing. 
And, and, and so I kind my pudgy

473
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,360
kind of shortness and I turned 
into like the ugly duckling 

474
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,800
turning into something. 
I would say I was blessed with 

475
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,040
the curse type of things. 
I grew into this physical being 

476
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,840
that could navigate the world 
and get things too right. 

477
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,560
And Tiggy, you could tell she 
was native too is she was 

478
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,400
marginalised as well. 
The secondary characteristics 

479
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,240
slowly drove her to insanity and
to taking her life. 

480
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,560
She was almost murdered so many 
times in that industry that I 

481
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,200
got out of when I was quite 
young because I learned how to 

482
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,160
do it a different way. 
But Tiggy was the maestro when 

483
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,040
it came to music. 
Tiggy really opened my brain to 

484
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,960
so much other music. 
She dressed me up as like 

485
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,800
Marianne Faithful and I was 
always doing just Bette Midler 

486
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,720
stuff and I was doing the raunch
about my other stuff that I love

487
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:21,350
to do back in my mind. 
But I could. 

488
00:25:21,670 --> 00:25:23,670
It was like shooting fish in a 
barrel for me, right? 

489
00:25:24,510 --> 00:25:30,470
And it really was at 18, I was 
headlining at the back lot in 

490
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:33,910
Calgary, headlining the whole 
event at 18. 

491
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:36,710
You're legal at 18 in Alberta, 
but that's crazy and. 

492
00:25:37,150 --> 00:25:39,390
This isn't drag, right? 
Is this a drag performance? 

493
00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:42,790
And this isn't drag. 
So in Canada back then, was that

494
00:25:42,790 --> 00:25:45,710
tipping system like the states 
or did Canada not have a tipping

495
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:47,800
system? 
The owner of the club, he was, 

496
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,320
he was, he was wanting me to do 
a Bette Midler review for, like,

497
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:52,600
ever. 
And I was just kind of because I

498
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,760
was starting to get into punk 
puff and everything. 

499
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,440
And he waved so much money in 
front of me that I finally did 

500
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,200
it. 
Yeah. 

501
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,040
And the queers just just, you 
know, were throwing tips at me 

502
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,880
left, right. 
And so I had money stuffed in 

503
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,480
every orifice, like when it in 
the night I was a Butterball 

504
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,520
Turkey at the end. 
Your face lit up when you talked

505
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,400
about the music that Tiggy 
introduced you to, and there's 

506
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,880
actually a great video. 
That I've seen you. 

507
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,480
Do you do a tribute dance for 
Tiggy to Susie's Dear Prudence 

508
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,040
The Beatles cover and it's. 
That nice. 

509
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,840
Magical. 
Tell me about. 

510
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:34,100
That dear Prudence, oh, dear 
Prudence. 

511
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:37,020
Oh my God, Tiggy. 
When Susie was like, it's like 

512
00:26:37,020 --> 00:26:40,220
there is just this mystical 
connection with her and that 

513
00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:43,580
woman and all of the alternative
women at the time, I was kind of

514
00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:45,900
like her. 
Tiggy's like Barbie doll. 

515
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,940
She loved to dress me up and try
these new freaky ways to do 

516
00:26:49,940 --> 00:26:52,700
makeup and stuff and then just 
push me out the door because I 

517
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,200
had the guts to go like that and
she didn't. 

518
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,000
But she had the creativeness to 
it. 

519
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,800
And then she'd see what worked. 
And then if it didn't work, then

520
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,160
she would start to do it 
herself. 

521
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,000
But yeah, she introduced me to 
ways. 

522
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,920
We used to call it the magic eye
line, like the way to do your 

523
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,480
makeup to enhance your audience 
and stuff. 

524
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,760
And when she introduced me to 
Susie, it was just like I was 

525
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,600
meeting an older sister. 
She was just showing me these 

526
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,600
magical women that were casting 
spells through these songs. 

527
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,200
And when you're playing that 
music, you're safe. 

528
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,960
And when you were dancing, 
wherever it was played, you were

529
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,920
safe. 
And so that took us to clubs 

530
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,480
that were not just queer, but 
back then in the early 80's, the

531
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,400
queer clubs were very, you know,
if you really looked at it, 

532
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,880
dissected it, it's like their 
so-called academic, artsy, 

533
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,960
queer, bending, straight, 
bendable queer kind of the 

534
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,160
stuff, you know what I mean? 
A lot of the queers weren't 

535
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,960
really into that stuff yet. 
I was even told not to. 

536
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,560
We weren't allowed to dress in 
our punk gear in this one club 

537
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,120
in Calgary because it was very 
rhinestones and fufu. 

538
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,040
There was that learning curve. 
Tiggy and I started performing 

539
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,760
women like Marianne Faithful 
who's seen the Banshees and 

540
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,240
Diamanda Galas, people that 
would just make you know to 

541
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,480
there's a, there's a on this 
poster for Diamanda Galas. 

542
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,560
I'll never forget it. 
And this is like for most of the

543
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,200
women of rock that I know. 
To say to listen to them is to 

544
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,840
have your soul scoured clean. 
And I totally loved. 

545
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,040
And that's what it felt like. 
We would play it at home 1st and

546
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,360
we would be dancing around just 
creating spells and playing with

547
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,720
makeup as we're listening to it.
And we were conjuring and we're 

548
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,800
just open and receptive and 
these ideas would come to us. 

549
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,320
But Tiggy was always the 
instigator. 

550
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,960
She was always bringing new ones
home. 

551
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,760
Like, oh, listen to this one I 
found. 

552
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,800
And when Nina Hagen came in, 
that was it. 

553
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,000
It resonated with me. 
It hit me right in the heart. 

554
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,160
Tiggy introduced you to so many 
things in this formative part of

555
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,760
your life, and we've talked 
about these magical witchy women

556
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,960
who shaped so much of the music 
taste. 

557
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,840
So I reckon let's just get into 
your musical selections. 

558
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,720
We've got some to talk about. 
But you just mentioned an 

559
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,440
artist, Diamander Gallus, I 
think, I hope I pronounced that 

560
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,960
correctly. 
I we often talk about music 

561
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,840
metaphorically saving, goes 
Mardi, But I believe, wasn't 

562
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,000
there a time when Diamander 
Gallus quite literally saved you

563
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,360
from a stalker? 
Was it? 

564
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,040
That's a good one. 
I love it. 

565
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,680
I love this story. 
Yes. 

566
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,760
Yeah, man to God. 
I was finishing doing a show in 

567
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440
a club. 
I'm really glad you brought this

568
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,680
up. 
I love this story. 

569
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000
So I finished the back lot and 
the back clot, like is the after

570
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,560
hours club. 
So it's like, you know, 3-4 in 

571
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,160
the morning. 
I'm taking a cab home, I get 

572
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,160
them to drop me off a block 
before so I can go into a store 

573
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,080
to get some smokes and stuff. 
I wave the car away and I walk 

574
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
the rest of the way and I and 
there's this guy in the in the 

575
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,040
in the 711 and I'm like and I 
can tell he's scanning me trying

576
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800
to get my attention and I'm just
kind of like whatever. 

577
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,360
I leave the store and I start to
realise he's following me home. 

578
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,200
It's completely dead out. 
I just ditched down an alley to 

579
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,280
come home quicker. 
I go running up the back stairs 

580
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,280
and I can see him at the end of 
the alley walking towards me. 

581
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,320
I didn't even miss a beat. 
I just opened up the door. 

582
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,400
Run straight to my albums, go to
Diamando Gas. 

583
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,800
I can't even remember which one 
I was playing. 

584
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,840
It was like Litany of Satan or 
something I don't know. 

585
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:22,300
And I just take it and I throw 
it on the thing and I blast it 

586
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,500
to all hell. 
And then I go running back to 

587
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,500
the kitchen, to the window to 
look and all I can see is the 

588
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:30,260
little ass just running away 
from the running down the alley,

589
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:33,880
just like. 
So yes, Diamanda Gala saved my 

590
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,320
life. 
It's. 

591
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Iconic money and I really, I 
don't mean to mock what would 

592
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,800
have been a scary situation, but
it is iconic. 

593
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,120
To put on a vinyl and scare a 
stalker away is an iconic scene.

594
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,520
And if you've ever been to a 
Diamanda Galas concert, you'll 

595
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,400
know what I mean. 
Because a lot of men get up and 

596
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,920
leave. 
Watch how many men got up and 

597
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,200
leave. 
So the track that you chose to 

598
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,880
discuss today, what's the track 
and why did you pick it? 

599
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,760
Yes, Why'd You Do What You Did? 
By Marianne Faithful The Broken 

600
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,520
English album Why'd? 
You let her suck your cock. 

601
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:16,040
Ah, do me a favour, don't put me
in the. 

602
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,200
Dark Marianne Faithful at the 
cigarette like that. 

603
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Yeah. 
Oh my God, yes. 

604
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,440
Marianne Faithful. 
Somebody. 

605
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,000
I can't even remember how it how
it came about, but I was 

606
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,040
obsessed with that album. 
I can't remember who turned it 

607
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,160
on to me, but Tiggy and I were 
living together in Calgary. 

608
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,640
I was playing it from step to 
stern, learning every syllable 

609
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,680
of every word. 
And when you're on acid, you can

610
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,520
do that very well. 
But don't do that at home, kids.

611
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,720
Let's say so, Yeah. 
It's like we decided I wanted to

612
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,600
do the song. 
Why'd you do What you did? 

613
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Because it resonated so well 
with me and Tiggy being trans 

614
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,640
kids and having to to do be in 
survival industry. 

615
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,160
You know, your your 
relationships were like, you 

616
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,480
know, they were basically 
transactions too, right? 

617
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,480
So, so I think a lot to what to 
get and I did a lot of times as 

618
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,320
we gravitated to a lot of these 
women that had that angst about 

619
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,920
men and stuff. 
And I believe that that song 

620
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,200
perfectly encapsulates what I 
felt about relationships. 

621
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,760
She's talking about this one man
and she talks about betraying my

622
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,120
little oyster for such a low bid
type of thing. 

623
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,360
And I was just like, Oh my God, 
it's like, it's kind of like 

624
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,800
kind of like resonated to me 
being like at the time, you 

625
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,800
know, a pre op trans girl and 
stuff like that. 

626
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,560
Because there was all of this, 
you know, it's hard being a 

627
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,480
trans girl in the queer clubs 
and stuff. 

628
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,480
And it's like you're starving 
for attention. 

629
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,240
So it was perfect. 
And also the angst that Tiggy 

630
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,400
and I had with each other 
because Tiggy and I had this 

631
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,320
weird kind of love affair as 
well that was kind of a bit 

632
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,680
incestuous. 
And you know, it's like, you 

633
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,440
know, it was the 80s. 
It was like, it was like, you 

634
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,200
know, if you can't fuck your 
friends, who can't you fuck? 

635
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,840
Can you fuck? 
That was kind of like the motto 

636
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,160
back then. 
But I ended up doing it in the 

637
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,400
first time with her and she 
dressed me into that. 

638
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,920
That really my first severe punk
performance art thing with the 

639
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,160
purple eyeliner inside the 
waterline and everything. 

640
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,320
I remember walking through and 
there's all these, there's all 

641
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400
these, you know, oh, you're from
Australia. 

642
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,840
So I was just thinking, very 
Priscilla, the queen of the 

643
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,000
desert, drag Queens, like 
rhinestones and big, big, big 

644
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,720
wigs and stuff. 
And they'd come over because we 

645
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,560
were starting to make a kind of 
a name for ourselves. 

646
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,000
And, and, and I remember walking
through and one of them looked 

647
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,800
at me and said, Marty, why are 
you trying to make yourself look

648
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,920
ugly? 
And I was just like, what? 

649
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,280
I went, Oh fuck, grandma Jesus, 
here we go. 

650
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,960
It's like it's time to put you 
in the home girl. 

651
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,440
It's like just sit back and 
watch. 

652
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,760
We gave them a show that night 
called Blitz. 

653
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,920
It was kind of a, you know what 
we heard in all the magazines 

654
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040
with Blitz over in London that 
was happening. 

655
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200
So we're having our own little 
Lee Bowery moments. 

656
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Crazy, you know, Dragon step. 
All the older drag Queens just 

657
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,120
thought we lost our minds, which
we had, but it was kind of it 

658
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,080
was it was to put it on stage 
into it kind of time. 

659
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,480
Broken English, a brilliant 
album and I love it came to her 

660
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,920
in this time of her life where 
you know, she'd been through 

661
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,679
some really tough years, 
homelessness, addiction. 

662
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,239
Her voice had noticeably changed
from when she was younger in her

663
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,000
career. 
This really all seemed to. 

664
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,480
Resonate. 
With people, it seemed to 

665
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,840
attract people to this hardness,
this grit that someone's lived 

666
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,600
through some really challenging 
times and perhaps still wasn't 

667
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,320
challenging times. 
She could channel that rage and 

668
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,040
emotion into her art and create 
something. 

669
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,560
People could imprint their own 
stories. 

670
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,199
And you heard your story in that
song. 

671
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,840
I was blasting this song 
yesterday and I love the line 

672
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,000
where she's like, why do you do 
it? 

673
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,400
She said. 
Why do you spit on my snatch? 

674
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,639
I'm like Maria. 
Yes, Queen. 

675
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,000
I just spit on my snatch. 
Are we out of love now? 

676
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,760
Is it such a bad patch? 
Why just? 

677
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,200
Spit on my snatch. 
Are we out of love now? 

678
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,280
Is this just a bad patch? 
Do you think you could get up on

679
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,120
stage right now and lip sync to 
this song? 

680
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,360
Muscle Memory. 
Easily, easily. 

681
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,400
I'm waiting for somebody to ask 
me. 

682
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,760
I'm like going hello. 
I think the world's waiting for 

683
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,520
you. 
Like Vancouver's, Vancouver's 

684
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,880
like just the boat ride at wait.
Like, you know, this is, you 

685
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,600
know, it's basically just, you 
know, it's I'm in Vancouver and 

686
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,120
I keep waiting. 
I don't know. 

687
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,480
But yeah, I absolutely loved it,
absolutely loved doing that 

688
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,680
stuff, especially with my love 
Tiggy, my creative love Tiggy. 

689
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:39,880
We ended up just starting to 
create our own music and it and 

690
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,120
just just as that demise 
happened, yeah, she ended up she

691
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,400
ended up driving me to detox 
because I was wasting all the 

692
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,400
studio time to our album called 
This was the Cities where like, 

693
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,240
Oh my. 
Gosh. 

694
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Magdalene, Magdalene ho. 
I know I'm holding on to it 

695
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,240
because I want to make it into a
play. 

696
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,480
Yeah. 
And the tracks are just so 

697
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,000
intense and very prophetic about
our lives and stuff. 

698
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,040
Wait, wait, wait, wait. 
That's a complete curveball. 

699
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120
This was not in my prepared 
questions. 

700
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,200
You are a musician and an artist
yourself. 

701
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:16,360
With Tiggies, was it easy enough
to write songs with Tiggy? 

702
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Was that something that just 
kind of natural or did you have 

703
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,320
to work at it? 
Oh no, it was so easy. 

704
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,960
I'd done another geographical 
cure coming from Calgary back to

705
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,720
Vancouver to live with Tiggy 
after we had a separation and 

706
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,120
stuff. 
But we bought an 8 track. 

707
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,080
We rented out a whole house. 
One side of the house was at a 

708
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,000
chaise lounge in this eight 
track that we're recording in. 

709
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,120
On the other side of the house, 
out of the attic was Tiggy's Dom

710
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,720
room. 
That she was like how she'd have

711
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:44,560
like somebody hanging from a 
cross or some goddamn thing. 

712
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,800
And it's like, and I was just 
like, Oh my God, I'm trying to 

713
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,800
get clean and sober. 
My head's like spinning. 

714
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,280
I'd have these relapses and we 
take Holy Communion with 

715
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,120
something and go in there and 
write about a part of our lives 

716
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,200
or something that was happening.
Every song is about something 

717
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,160
that was going on at the time, 
like Armageddon of sex. 

718
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,600
That was during the Gulf War 
with the AIDS virus wiping 

719
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,160
everybody out too. 
It's like kind of mashing the 

720
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,000
two. 
And then the title track, 

721
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,400
Magdalene Hoe, which is like 
Tiggy swan song. 

722
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,800
It's so good. 
And just all these that I can't 

723
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,640
wait to share with the world and
knit it together within the 

724
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,520
narrative. 
I really believe that that's 

725
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,600
something I need to do to honour
Tiggy. 

726
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,080
But. 
But yeah, Tiggy and I started 

727
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,040
doing fillers so that we could 
play in between like numbers 

728
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,280
that we're when we're. 
Yeah, costume changes and stuff.

729
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,040
Yeah. 
So we started, we're starting to

730
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,400
play with that and. 
And the reception was really 

731
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,960
good and we were just going 
along with it. 

732
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,840
So it was really sad because 
when I went into detox, I never 

733
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,960
looked back. 
I realised that the only thing I

734
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,600
had to change was everything and
all that stuff, you know, if I 

735
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,600
was going to make it, everybody 
was dying around me from AIDS 

736
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,520
and overdosing and stuff. 
And so I grabbed on and 

737
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,120
unfortunately, within a year, 
Tiggy killed herself. 

738
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, which is, which is really 

739
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,760
heartbreaking, but I completely 
understand what you just said, 

740
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,720
which is when you leave the past
behind, you of course are hoping

741
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,920
to leave the bad bits behind, 
but you also leave some good 

742
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600
stuff behind as well. 
You have to leave it all. 

743
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,840
And that's, and that's something
that I was so sad because I had 

744
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,280
to, I, I was creative from first
memories until that day. 

745
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,080
And I had to leave all that too 
when I went back to school, 

746
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,600
became a community social worker
in Vancouver for almost 20 

747
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:21,880
years. 
I feel like I'm just being 

748
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,800
creative again. 
I'm just been waiting to do that

749
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,360
because I couldn't trust myself.
I didn't know who I could trust.

750
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,960
I certainly couldn't trust 
myself until I got enough 

751
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,760
recovery into me to start to 
navigate this. 

752
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,760
And now I feel like in the last 
seven years that I've been 

753
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,240
starting to, the universe is 
like priming me to be around all

754
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:43,120
of you kookaburras. 
I don't know why I want to start

755
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,680
to say all these Australian 
things, all of you sweet nuts 

756
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,200
and stuff that are doing all 
this wonderful creative stuff. 

757
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,680
I feel like I'm coming home 
again in a way. 

758
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,960
Meeting all of you and talking 
about all this is so beautiful 

759
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,560
and. 
You've got to go with what feels

760
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,200
good at the time, so if now is 
the time to be creative, we've 

761
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,240
got to listen to that instinct 
and scratch it. 

762
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,840
Absolutely, because the world is
still growing up in so many 

763
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,640
ways, right? 
How old are you, 35? 

764
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,960
Well, you're young, you know 
what I mean? 

765
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,880
Like 20 years ago you were 15, 
right? 

766
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,200
It's like, it's like there 
wouldn't have been a podcast 

767
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,040
like this around there wouldn't 
even podcast around. 

768
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,640
So it's like just, it's so 
beautiful to hat to be. 

769
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,800
I feel like I'm meeting my kin 
again in a way. 

770
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,800
It's so weird. 
It's it's one of the best parts 

771
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,280
of the Internet. 
The Internet has some really 

772
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,560
shitty, awful, toxic parts, but 
it has some beautiful parts to 

773
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,040
the fact that me and you can 
have this. 

774
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,480
Entire conversation. 
Yeah, exactly. 

775
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,840
OK, I'm going to break the 4th 
wall here and dive back in to 

776
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,360
let you know that through this 
episode's editing process, I 

777
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,840
reached out to Mardi to see if 
she would be open to me sharing 

778
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,240
a clip of some of the music that
she worked on with Tiggy. 

779
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,560
And I know that she wants to be 
very intentional about how she 

780
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,160
debuts some of that work, but 
she said yes. 

781
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,880
So with no further ado, here's a
short clip from Mardi and 

782
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,400
Tiggy's album, Magdalene Ho. 
The track is called Vulgarities.

783
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,480
Wow, on that note, let's get 
into the album and the artist. 

784
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,560
I'm so excited to hear share 
what you picked. 

785
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:08,760
Nun sex Monkron as she says, as 
Nina says and Nina Hagen. 

786
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,480
Oh my God, I just love her so 
much. 

787
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,680
I was 18. 
I'd finally left all of the 

788
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,320
backlog and went to Victoria on 
the island here in Canada. 

789
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,120
I was determined to go to 
secretarial school and do this 

790
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,720
and that and everything. 
And I'm going, oh, well, maybe 

791
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,560
I'll do, maybe I'll do like a 
show at a club just to make some

792
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,320
extra money type of thing. 
So I was kind of like 

793
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,520
negotiating that. 
And there was some really cool 

794
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,360
queer clubs at the time that 
were like into and the and the 

795
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,880
punk scene was so happening in 
Victoria, like the Dayglo 

796
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,200
abortions, which was a really 
big alternative band at the 

797
00:41:51,200 --> 00:42:01,030
time. 
And I got kidnapped by this 

798
00:42:01,030 --> 00:42:04,430
leather girl gang there. 
This is well, they're pretty, 

799
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:06,990
they're pretty kind of fluid. 
But there was no words for it 

800
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:09,150
then. 
But this leather girl wannabe 

801
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:11,070
girl gang called the speak 
Queen. 

802
00:42:11,230 --> 00:42:15,150
We hung out in this laundry mat.
That's when my my deeper loved 

803
00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:18,990
for punk rock happened like the 
Dead Kennedys and like DOA, 

804
00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:22,190
which was becoming really big in
Vancouver that that we'd be 

805
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:26,400
hanging out with and stuff. 
And so and and so all of a 

806
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,760
sudden the album Nun Sex Monk 
Croc came into my possession. 

807
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,080
I remember that I just got my 
wisdom teeth pulled out and I 

808
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,440
was a bit medicated. 
I was opening up this album, 

809
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,920
just studying it. 
It looks like a fucking acid 

810
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,760
trip when you look at it. 
It's just her holding her 

811
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,880
daughter Cosmosiba. 
But I didn't even know all this 

812
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,040
yet. 
I just went in on this journey 

813
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,120
and it just talked about so many
things that I was seeing in life

814
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,760
around me. 
She sound like some angelic 

815
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,160
being that had just flown 
through hell and barely got out 

816
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,680
the back gates with her wings on
fire and she's just screaming 

817
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:20,320
and all octaves about it. 
And her storytelling was 

818
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,840
sublime. 
And I just connected with us so 

819
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,080
well. 
Her talking about Snap Jack 

820
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,120
doing drugs and stuff like that,
Like, Oh my God, could I ever 

821
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,480
relate to that? 
Every single character that she 

822
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,720
did somebody going through 
stuff. 

823
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,720
So it resonates so well. 
But yeah, I was my wisdom teeth 

824
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,440
had gotten taken out. 
And if you ever had that, you 

825
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,080
know that you can't really move 
your mouth too much. 

826
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,400
So I'm learning the first one 
anti world and I'm learning it 

827
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,960
and I'm going you know what's up
on a dime when she's and 

828
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,640
possessed by a demon and all the
stuff. 

829
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,480
And I would start laughing 
because it just was like so 

830
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,480
intent. 
It was like, it's one of those 

831
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,880
things that, you know when you 
laugh at something because it's 

832
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,520
just so fucking incredible and 
it freaks you out, you know, 

833
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,560
type of thing. 
It was one of those with Nina 

834
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,760
Hagen. 
And then I just started scouring

835
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,240
everything I knew. 
I went to the record stores and 

836
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,600
they would have the magazines 
and the latest things that she 

837
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,720
said. 
She's tripping out on acid and 

838
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,880
talking to God and I'm reading 
all this stuff that she's doing 

839
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,160
as she's flying around the 
world. 

840
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,720
I just became one of her 
disciples. 

841
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,320
And then I actually went to 
Vancouver once when she was 

842
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,920
playing and went backstage and, 
and she and she christened me 

843
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Spider Lady because I used to 
wear this fishnet mask around my

844
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,440
face all the time. 
I'd just sit there and listen to

845
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,120
her for hours. 
And, you know, she would give me

846
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,040
one time. 
It's like allegedly, I should 

847
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,240
say, or it's like maybe it was a
drug trip, I don't know. 

848
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,160
But she gave me a little can 
with like, you know, pictures of

849
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,160
the queen that she taped it on 
and stuff like that. 

850
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520
And all of her little mushrooms 
because she couldn't go over the

851
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,440
border with them. 
And she'd tell me this trip 

852
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,920
where she saw where she took 
this acid, this LST, and it went

853
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
on her tongue and it went down 
and her brain came loose. 

854
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,640
My brain followed all these 
voices. 

855
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,720
And I followed this one voice. 
And it was God. 

856
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,600
And he said to me, hey, Nina, 
you have to give up that trip 

857
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,240
there. 
And I said, yeah, I know, but 

858
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,120
how? 
And he says you must die. 

859
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,640
So I did. 
And I'm just like, oh, I get it.

860
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,320
I get it. 
Oh, you just died. 

861
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,840
OK, good. 
You can do that. 

862
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,280
You can just die and start all 
over again. 

863
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,160
OK Good. 
Got it. 

864
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,800
Thank you. 
You were a true disciple. 

865
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,560
You were. 
Connecting with I was a true 

866
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,600
disciple goddess. 
And she was blessing you. 

867
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,880
It was my goddess. 
Yes, I heard you. 

868
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,080
With with Margaret Cho. 
Margaret Cho yes, and it's so 

869
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,240
true. 
Definitely Nina Hagen was mine 

870
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,760
yes. 
Definitely rising like in the 

871
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,920
nun sex man croc outfit. 
Yeah, at the gig you went to and

872
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,480
also in these. 
Record stores. 

873
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,560
You're running around Vancouver.
Were there any other queer 

874
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,840
people really into Nina Hagen? 
Oh yeah, there was. 

875
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,440
Those were. 
And actually, I was. 

876
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,840
So it, that was the litmus test 
for me and Tiggy of the queer 

877
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,760
community because it's like if 
people were grooving to that, if

878
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,640
that was in your albums when we 
came over to visit or something 

879
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,160
like that, you were cool. 
That was it. 

880
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,000
You're cool. 
OK, we'll invite you over. 

881
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,640
But yeah, no, it's like that was
the place to be. 

882
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,800
And that's what kind of started 
taking fire, too, because Anina 

883
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,280
Hagen concert was the place to 
be. 

884
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,400
That was a Gaga concert. 
That was Gaga back then, right? 

885
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,160
She was she's Gaga boots the 
house fucking down with her 

886
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,520
original voice and stuff like, 
you know, the voice is insane. 

887
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,720
You gave me some amazing. 
Selections to listen to 

888
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,160
obviously the album done sex 
monk Rock You sent through some 

889
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,320
links that a train that video 
you. 

890
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,600
Sent. 
I felt like I was. 

891
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,040
Watching top tier. 
Five Star. 

892
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:42,480
Drag. 
But with opera that. 

893
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Voice. 
Where does that voice come from?

894
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:49,000
Goth, punk commanding the entire
audience. 

895
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,000
And the pumper and opera. 
She's giving you a full 2 hour 

896
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,000
show in a 5 minute song. 
Totally. 

897
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,360
And cleaning out your chakras. 
At the same time, I did feel 

898
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,200
cleaned after, yeah, I thought. 
Cleanse. 

899
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Yeah, Why that song? 
You're going to have to 

900
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,640
pronounce it. 
But why was that the most I say 

901
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,600
not a trend, not a trend. 
Oh, the most powerful. 

902
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,200
I know bits. 
Of German, but I don't really 

903
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,520
know the song. 
It's one of those songs that you

904
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,040
can listen to. 
It's kind of like an opera. 

905
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,160
The emotion with this artist 
Nina Haga is so grand. 

906
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,600
And just the nuances of just how
she moves her hands and wearing 

907
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,280
like, soother's earrings and 
like, you're going what? 

908
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,760
She's wearing soother's ear. 
And it's just, you know, making,

909
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,280
you know, chicken sounds and, 
you know, just hitting all those

910
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,520
notes. 
And it's. 

911
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,480
Yeah, my, my going to church 
moment for sure. 

912
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,040
I love that. 
You are in a place in your life 

913
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,280
where you feel this safety in 
your marriage, where you live. 

914
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,240
You are getting creative 
fulfilment from the way you 

915
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,760
communicate with the world and 
the stories that you have to 

916
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,080
tell. 
But you do feel that safety, 

917
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,240
which is very important. 
People should feel safe. 

918
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,960
You've got these life 
experiences that you can look 

919
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,560
back at and cherry pick the 
learnings and the wisdom from of

920
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,840
what you want to share with 
people. 

921
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,880
But music, the way that you talk
about Nina Hagen, the way you 

922
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,520
talk about Marian Faithful and 
these witches, these magical 

923
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,680
women who soundtracked these 
maybe more challenging parts of 

924
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,880
your life which were exciting 
but also dangerous and fun, 

925
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,240
unsafe. 
But you can music. 

926
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,240
Music can let you go back to the
best parts of those chapters 

927
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,600
without the worry or the fear of
the unsafe parts. 

928
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,120
It's just so great to hear you 
talk about this music which 

929
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,040
soundtracked times of your life 
from long ago. 

930
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,080
But in this safe, happy, 
fulfilled place, no. 

931
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,880
And it's true. 
And it's like so when I see a. 

932
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:52,200
TikTok trend an audio trend like
Laurie Anderson's Walk the Dog. 

933
00:48:52,200 --> 00:49:02,080
I saw a lot of trees today and 
they were all made of wood it. 

934
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,880
Just transports. 
Me back. 

935
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,840
It was one of my key songs that 
I used to do in between some of 

936
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,840
the other punk Divas that I do. 
But Laurie Anderson was sublime,

937
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,160
just like she was punk in her 
own way, right? 

938
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,120
And Walk the Dog I used to do in
a straight jacket and high heels

939
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,960
and my ass cheeks, right? 
Just to show on the world, 

940
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,000
right? 
And with this fright wig on and 

941
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,440
the punk rock makeup, right? 
Where does one just wear a 

942
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,440
straight jacket? 
Where do you go and find one of 

943
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,800
those? 
You have people that work. 

944
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,280
In hospitals, you have friends. 
Yeah, we did. 

945
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,000
We don't. 
Oh, God. 

946
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,800
Always. 
Yeah. 

947
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,520
Getting a wheelchair once in a 
while for shows like Get so and 

948
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,960
So works at the hospital. 
Yeah. 

949
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,520
But yeah, doing that stuff, it 
was amazing because getting 

950
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,400
transported back and hearing the
kids loving that song and it 

951
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,240
just fills my boobs that they're
enjoying that. 

952
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,680
These artists now too, like Kate
Bush, you know, like when Kate 

953
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,720
Bush happened, you know, like 
Kate Bush is a witch in her own 

954
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:57,960
way, but she's one of my 
witches. 

955
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,720
Yes, she's. 
Definitely. 

956
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,000
She's an English witch. 
Haunting them, haunting the. 

957
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,600
Moors. 
Yes, all the witches. 

958
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,120
Yes, Yeah, we love them all. 
That's such a special. 

959
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,480
Thing about your content 
actually and what you do today 

960
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,080
is when you do your lip syncs to
Nina or to various songs, it's 

961
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,680
another way of introducing older
songs to younger generations, 

962
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,160
which is actually one of the 
better parts of TikTok full 

963
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,400
stop. 
Like what you just referenced. 

964
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,360
It's so good, yeah, for people 
to do, absolutely. 

965
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,440
And. 
Speaking of, so you do. 

966
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,480
Create your content online, but 
you also have your own podcast. 

967
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,520
You present a life lived trans 
with Lenny Z, which is a 

968
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,840
fantastic piece of work. 
You've interviewed the likes of 

969
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,560
Alexandra Billings, Vivian 
Wilson and many people, I'm sure

970
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,840
to come. 
But the the, the title alone, A 

971
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,360
life lived transit harks back to
what we spoke about earlier in 

972
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,120
our chat about why you began 
creating Tik Toks. 

973
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:52,560
And I'd love to know what you've
had in response to the podcast 

974
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,840
specifically from younger trans 
people. 

975
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,360
I heard Vivian Wilson on your 
podcast talk about what it meant

976
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,880
for her, but what responses have
you had from younger people 

977
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,440
about your podcast? 
Oh God, it's been so great 

978
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,800
because just the. 
Title a life live trans. 

979
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,320
It's like I needed to be clear 
with what our podcast was about 

980
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,240
Lenny is a trans man who 
transitioned in the 1970s as 

981
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:15,640
well. 
When I met him and he was on my 

982
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,640
YouTube channel a couple years 
back, It's so rare to meet 

983
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,800
somebody from that same time 
period and has survived and 

984
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,440
stuff. 
And then to be like the flip 

985
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,280
side of the coin of the binary 
because we both kind of coast 

986
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,600
through that. 
So yeah, the response that we 

987
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,640
get back is just, it's actually 
the podcast itself from the 

988
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,040
responses that I had gotten 
online. 

989
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,320
And I saw that there was a need 
for stories in a longer format, 

990
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,760
too, because I'm inundated with 
DMS from trans kids, trans women

991
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,760
that are stealth, that live 
vicariously through me. 

992
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,840
They tell me stuff that I kind 
of report on to, like I'm kind 

993
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,760
of their goal between. 
And so it's a platform to be 

994
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,080
able to answer a lot of those 
questions from all of my other 

995
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,840
social media and the questions 
and DMS that I get from them, 

996
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,160
the parents of trans kids, and 
thanking me so much for that 

997
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
information. 
So I know it's so needed, these 

998
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,480
testimonies. 
Yeah. 

999
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,520
So that's why I started it with 
my friend. 

1000
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,680
Yeah. 
It really is critical. 

1001
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,880
And it's a pleasure to listen. 
To and hear the likes of younger

1002
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,720
trans people on the podcast 
about how important that lived 

1003
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:23,080
testimony is. 
And again, to be able to look at

1004
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,800
people who've carved a path for 
themselves and they live healthy

1005
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,240
long lives. 
Yeah. 

1006
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,160
Because you probably love this 
artist her. 

1007
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,520
Name is Cortisa and she's she's 
a mew Mew face of Mew mew right 

1008
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,000
now. 
I think she goes I think she 

1009
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,440
goes online is Cortisa CORTISA 
and she's like she's got some 

1010
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,560
she's she's blowing up music 
wise and the club scene and 

1011
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:56,200
stuff like that too. 
And so all of these ones follow 

1012
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,880
me before I even know who they 
are. 

1013
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,960
Vivian Wilson was following me. 
I didn't even know who it was at

1014
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,640
1st. 
And so, so I'm, I'm thinking of 

1015
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,320
approaching her because she's 
in, she's right into the club 

1016
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:06,880
scene right now. 
And I think that would be a 

1017
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,920
fantastic conversation. 
So yeah, it's really, it's a 

1018
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,120
great platform to having a 
podcast to be able to do exactly

1019
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,560
what you're doing now. 
I haven't prepared you for this.

1020
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,640
Can I do a quick? 
Fire round of OK I would love to

1021
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,320
know Marty. 
A song that reminds you of an X 

1022
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,800
of an X Oh God. 
I was crying about this last 

1023
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,760
week and it's Tik Tok's fault 
for making it viral. 

1024
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,840
That Stupid Silver Spring by 
Fleetwood Mac. 

1025
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,040
And it's like I was going, 
where's that song from? 

1026
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,680
Then I played it and I realised,
oh, that's why I didn't know it,

1027
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,480
because it seems so boring at 
first, the song. 

1028
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,680
And it's such a powerful riff. 
So it's like 4. 

1029
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,480
And then it really hits you 
right. 

1030
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,560
And so that reminds me of my 
first husband in recovery, 

1031
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,520
Edward. 
Edward the first, I call him. 

1032
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,800
And he, he unfortunately passed 
in 2020. 

1033
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,840
And yeah, it makes me, it's it, 
it's definitely my go to if I 

1034
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,640
want to cry about him for now, 
for sure. 

1035
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,360
Right. 
Love you, Edward. 

1036
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,440
A song that makes you feel. 
Powerful. 

1037
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,800
Powerful any. 
Garbage song. 

1038
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,040
Garbage. 
Yes. 

1039
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,200
Yes. 
I love her. 

1040
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,120
Too. 
Oh my God, She's kind of like 

1041
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,040
happened when it's recovery type
of thing. 

1042
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,880
So I was kind of like, no, no, I
can't listen. 

1043
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,120
Oh, that sounds good. 
No, I can't listen. 

1044
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,080
I had to kind of watch myself. 
I didn't know. 

1045
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,680
Because some of these witchy 
women, they can really take you 

1046
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,240
on a ride. 
Shirley Manson is a witchy 

1047
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,920
woman. 
I would die for you. 

1048
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,320
I would. 
Die for you. 

1049
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:05,650
I've been died. 
Yes, she is another one, 

1050
00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:08,410
Absolutely. 
What about a song that you? 

1051
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:11,010
Would perform again. 
If you got that boat back to 

1052
00:55:11,010 --> 00:55:13,810
Vancouver and you got back on 
stage, why'd you do what you 

1053
00:55:13,810 --> 00:55:15,250
did? 
I think that's one of my. 

1054
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:18,010
Signatures for sure. 
I think that would be like the 

1055
00:55:18,010 --> 00:55:20,490
safe one to do. 
I think that would be the one. 

1056
00:55:20,570 --> 00:55:23,720
And just kind of like, yeah, I 
could get out all my angst. 

1057
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:25,720
It's interesting that you say 
safe, because I don't. 

1058
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:27,920
Associate the word safe with 
Maddie. 

1059
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,600
I mean, I feel safe, but I don't
think you care about safe. 

1060
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,600
Well, yeah, I think she's safe 
compared to. 

1061
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,080
Like where Nina Hagen might take
me in my brain. 

1062
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,240
I might split off and start 
talking to God and think I'm on 

1063
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,280
acid again. 
She's a real witchy woman. 

1064
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,320
Oh my God, Now usually Maddie? 
I ask. 

1065
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,360
Guests, if there's a charity or 
an organisation which resonates 

1066
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,120
with you that you'd like to give
a shout out to, but I'd like to 

1067
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,400
use this moment to ask you a 
little bit about is it true that

1068
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,000
content creators can't actually 
earn ad revenue in Canada? 

1069
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:03,280
Yeah, for TikTok and Instagram. 
I make nothing on my reels, 

1070
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,240
nothing out for my content at 
all. 

1071
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,640
Yeah, it's just, I don't know 
why it's something in Canada 

1072
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,440
that I don't know if it's the 
company's fault or Canada, but 

1073
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,440
it's like nothing. 
Well, you do call it out in your

1074
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,680
content and. 
I think it's right that you do, 

1075
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,360
because so many people from all 
over the world get so much from 

1076
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,600
your stories and lived 
testimony. 

1077
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:25,400
It takes a lot of time and 
energy and effort to make this 

1078
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,440
content. 
What is the best way that people

1079
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,920
can directly support you if they
feel like they'd like to? 

1080
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,640
So I guess I'm the charity. 
I'm the charity Give to Miss 

1081
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,360
Marty pants Give to Miss Marty 
Pants. 

1082
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,720
Have you said that won't me 
support? 

1083
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,720
Your trans elders, Yeah. 
If you can, that's I'm so 

1084
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,400
grateful. 
It's like like I always say, 

1085
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,240
like you don't have any shekels 
to throw at my PayPal me. 

1086
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,320
You know the links in my in any 
of my BIOS. 

1087
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,200
You can get to them on Instagram
anything. 

1088
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,640
I'm Marty pants with AZ. 
If you can help support by 

1089
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,000
leaving comments, reposting, 
pushing into algorithms, leaving

1090
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,800
reviews on my podcast. 
All that helps so much. 

1091
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,920
It all brings me out there. 
That's what's got me an agent. 

1092
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,160
We're trying to find my first 
book deal right now. 

1093
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,400
We got a publishing package and 
we're on the first round of it. 

1094
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,040
I'm so excited about that. 
I'm look forward to getting you 

1095
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,760
guys to help me with that in the
future. 

1096
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,120
It's so exciting because you 
really have. 

1097
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,640
A powerful way with words and I 
love your twists of a phrase and

1098
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,840
your captions when you make your
videos. 

1099
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,040
To read that in long form in a 
kind of written memoir would be 

1100
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,720
magical. 
The first one is Till I Enter. 

1101
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,120
Recovery, like what I kind of 
talk talk to you about that got 

1102
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,040
me and Tiggy in the having our 
own studio and then actually 

1103
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,320
renting a studio to master it. 
I ended up going into recovery. 

1104
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,640
So it it ends me entering 
entering recovery and that's 

1105
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,720
where I stopped. 
But I actually have 3 concepts 

1106
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,000
of three books, so that's cool. 
Yeah, one's going to be the 

1107
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,840
speed Queens and be very music 
oriented too. 

1108
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,480
Yeah, I look forward to that. 
Well, Marty, you are queer. 

1109
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,600
And thank you very much for your
tracks. 

1110
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,360
Thank you, thank you. 
Thank you, darling. 

1111
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,760
Love you. 
That was just fun. 

1112
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:12,560
It was great. 
Okay, are you starstruck or is 

1113
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,200
it just? 
Me, I am fully obsessed with 

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Maddie. 
I'm honoured that she allowed me

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to debut some of her music from 
her sessions with Tiggy from 

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back in the day and I can't wait
to read her memoirs when they're

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ready. 
We're so lucky to have someone 

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like her. 
Like we discussed at the end of 

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that chat, laws in Canada 
prevent Mardi from making any 

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revenue from content creation. 
So if you would like to support 

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Macy's work in any way, I've 
linked her PayPal in the show 

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notes, along with her TikTok, 
Instagram, YouTube and her own 

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podcast, A Life Lived Trance. 
This episode of Tracks of Our 

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Queers was recorded and edited 
on Nogarrigo Land. 

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Check out my Spotify playlist, 
including some of my favourite 

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selections from different 
episodes. 

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LinkedIn the show notes and you 
can e-mail me your gay ramblings

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at any time at 
tracksofourqueers@gmail.com. 

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See you next time. 
None.