Everyone has at least one opinion that makes absolutely no
sense, but you will defend like your life depends on.
And if you don't have one of those, then you're wrong.
No, but you at least have a friend that does.
And today we're going to talk about the dumbest hills that we
die on, why we care so much about those miniscule things,
and what it says about us when we take ourselves a little too
seriously when we get into these arguments.
This is all in podcast. Welcome to the dumbest cells We
die on. All right, let's before we dive
too deep into the dumbest mountains, let's start with some
foothills. Foothills.
What a couple little things that you know that are a little out
there that you guys have let you die on that people disagree with
you. Obviously you you're not wrong,
right? But people just tend to disagree
with you and they're wrong. Does that make sense?
I think for me, what I mean by that is I think Star Wars
Episode 8, The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie that's been
made. And a lot of people get mad at
me for that. As they should.
Well, and it's like, I don't think I'm wrong, I just think
they just don't know how to think for themselves, right?
And they'll catch up to me eventually.
I don't think they're wrong. I just think they can't think.
So what's the what's the debate on that?
I don't like Star Wars, so I I'm.
Not like you, I also didn't grow up like a big Star Wars person.
And so when I watch them, I'm like, these are not great
movies. They did a lot for movies in
general, right? For special effects, for sci-fi,
for fantasy, like they did a lot for the movie industry.
But as movies that kind of suck. And then you got the prequels
that you know, they're fun, but a lot of people don't like them
and they have the sequels, which is like it's like you got the
first sequel that sucks. It's just like copy paste of the
original movie. So it's like no original ideas.
Then you have The Last Jedi, which is the only one that tried
to do anything original in the whole Star Wars at, you know,
after creating the original story.
Obviously it's the only one with any attempt at character
development. It's only one with like I think
Kylo Ren, what's his name? Adam Driver.
My twin. It's like the best, I'm sorry.
That's a hill I'm going to die on.
Kylo Ren looks like me. No, he doesn't.
Yes, he. Does actor that's ever been on
a? Star No, no.
Hold on, hold on. No.
He's got great hair. Like me, he has a large schnoz.
Nose, Yeah. Like me, he's 6 foot 4.
Like me, he has a very cute little little freckle butt right
there. You know, like me.
I've been told by multiple people that I look like that guy
and then another guy. Is there another character on
Star Wars who I look like? The.
What's it's It's from one of the newer Star Wars.
Movies. He's a he's a fighter with.
The Hut What? What's his?
Name. Attila the hunt, I don't.
Know what you're talking? About We'll pull it.
We'll pull it if you know. Put in the comments, please.
That you look like, yeah. I I I get confused for
celebrities frequently. The other one This Is Us Guy
Jack from This Is Us. Well, you do objectively look
like, yeah. Yeah, that's the one guy that I
would agree with so far. What celebrities have Nicola?
What? What celebrities have people
misidentified you for? None.
No, no, that's fair.
Not a single one. You got misidentified for John
Michael recently. I did.
What a compliment. Yeah.
They didn't know your name. Tell the story.
It was a It was a listener podcast in our annual conference
that we that we go to seek. One of the all innies an.
Innie. Come on, show up.
Pull up. Where my innies at?
And he came up to me and he said Michael from the podcast.
I said, well, there's John Michael, there's Clayton.
And oddly enough, we don't look alike, I would say.
But I guess in college, maybe we did look a little bit more
alike. Did he know you in college?
Huh. Did he know you in college?
John, Michael. No.
The guy that confused you? No, no.
I'm just, I'm just saying like I, I've been, I've been called
John Michael. In college.
Really. Yeah.
I mean, it hasn't. I mean, it hasn't happened in a
long time, you know? 1 You can grow facial haircuts.
I still can't all these years later.
All right? Going back to yeah, that last
year I being starred best Star Wars movie.
I'm not a big. Star Wars fan.
But for whatever reason, not. Every Star Wars fan.
Launches into a 5 minute. Explanation.
And if he's whole series. Well, here's the purpose of this
episode. It's whenever it comes up, I
will gladly fight as if my life depends on it about it for no
reason. And I, I, I have a bit of a
reason, but I want to get into what are some of the takes that
for you guys that they're not that important to you, but for
whatever reason it unleashes the beast.
Stanley Cups are not feminine. That's one of mine.
So they're they're. Stanley.
Cups, you know, not for hockey with the straw.
No, no, no, no, you're not hockey.
No, no. Those are definitely master, but
a lot of people I don't have an A Stanley Cup I have.
Sounds like you do. Today, this morning, this is how
big Clayton's cup is, is I I couldn't find a place to put my
coffee because it's freaking 64 oz.
Big Gulp Stanley Cup 64 was. Taking over both of the cup.
Holders. The he had it, he had the he had
his cup in the cup holder. There's one right here.
And the handle was so big there was nowhere to for me to put my
coffee. Listen, the thing I, I would
argue that the cups with a straw like that are and it's not a
Stanley Cup. I forget the name.
I forget the name of it, but there's some really great
features of it that are different from the Stanley Cup,
like the fact that you can lock the top of it.
So unlike normal straw cups, you you can spill it pretty easily
with this one, you can lock the top.
I'll put my electrolytes in there in the morning and shake
it up and then the it's, it's matte black, which is nice, you
know, kind of, you know, reminds me to dye to myself.
And then on top of that, there's just a convenience with having
the handle and and having having the straw.
I would argue you're. In a tight black.
Shirt, I would argue. About.
Your second best, second best is the Awala right here because it
allows you to both sip or gulp, which I think is a really great
a really great feature. So I just want to be able to
grab the water ball and and drink it.
It's an act of convenience that a lot of people.
Don't. About two years ago we got on a
three hour argument. Yes.
Because you just bought a wallet and I was still on Stanley Cups
or not? Stanley Cups Hydra flasks, the
water. Bottle right, Those are out.
And those are so out. And for now we just argued about
3 hours about which one was better and which one was worse.
And we we blind tested the straws from each water bottle.
Which yours was objectively harder to try. 3 hour argument
gets blind tested. At.
What point of the argument did this come up?
At the hour 45 mark. Screw it, we're blood taste.
Testing. And so all that to say, I think
we left the argument thinking that both of us left thinking we
won the argument, right? And then what happened 2 weeks
later? I bought in a while and I didn't
tell you for the next 6 months because I was scared and I still
have one. Yeah, this is mine.
Yeah, there you go. Well, I've moved on since then.
Another dumb hell that you die on a lot is you think Dirk
Nowitzki was a better player than Tim Duncan. 100%.
Yeah, I found a doubt. I will stand by that until the
day I die. Why is that again?
Tim Duncan was a system player. How?
Can you be a system player if you are the system?
Hey listen, you heard a you heard a YouTube short where you
heard Shaq say that we. Were just watching this pre
recording. Right.
Tracy McGrady says, and I quote Tim Duncan was a system player.
If you take him out, the Spurs make the playoffs and still
potentially win it all. Who do you think he knows more
about basketball, Tracy McGrady or Shaq?
We're not talking about owning Papa John's, we're talking about
basketball. T Mac.
It's just it. I mean I think anyone outside of
Dallas and Germany with think that's just an objectively bad
take. I well, I just think if you put
Dirk on the Spurs, you, you put Dirk on the Spurs, he can do
everything that Timmy can, except he can also hit the
three. That's that's the difference.
I don't think he has the same. Fundamental Dirk had an
objectively tougher career because of the players that he
was surrounded by. On because he didn't make him as
good as Timmy did with his. Players.
Oh, absolutely not. I think it had a lot.
I mean, props to to Gregg Popovich, perhaps to manage
nobly and Tony Parker. I mean, great, great players.
I mean, Pop was into, you know, drafting and picking up on on
European players. That's awesome.
You know the Mavs did in South America, in South American
thinking. Who had more Hall of Farmers on
their team? The Spurs of The Mavericks.
Well, that's what we're going after is that I'm, I'm not
saying Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili weren't good players.
They were good players, but without Tim Duncan that I don't
think they're Hall of Farmers. I think you can put in another,
you know, 610 big man that can, you know.
To heal Okafor you think you put him in there, you don't even
know what. That is to Craig Odin.
Craig Odin. Yeah, OK.
All right, so obviously a dumb hill for for you, John Michael.
I just looked up the side by side stats comparison of Tim
Duncan versus dirt. We're not going to.
We're not going to say those out loud.
And again, if you go by all objectivity.
It's a blood. The only thing Dirk has is he
averaged 20.7 points a game. Duncan had 19.
Duncan had 15 All NBA first team defensive teams.
Dirk had zero all pro teams. Tim Duncan 12, Dirk 10.
NBA Championships Tim 5, Dirk 1, Finals MVP. 3 I think.
It's it's. Yeah, it's a bloodbath.
Anyways, dumb takes for you, don't worry.
Miller Lite is the superior light beer.
I I just don't see how that's a dumb thick.
Yeah, I completely agree. That's a hill, and no one's
dying on it. A lot of people are.
The Midwest, a lot of people are, yeah.
But it depends on where you're from.
Well. Light beer is a very it's a very
cultural thing. For sure.
Yeah, So what? Would you say the top 3 Miller
Coors? Miller Coors, Are We Talking?
Taste or are we talking? Sales just, yeah, just popular,
I think if you drew out a map. Coors, Bud Miller for sure.
I forget just volume. No one likes Bud Light.
Who I don't Wayne Gillis. Does, and he's bringing it back.
You talk about a glow up Bud Light from very spicy
commercials to bring in Shane Gillis and Post Malone and
Peyton Manning on their. Very, very different strategies.
Very different. So I think Miller Lite is the
superior light beer. You I I would also make a case
for Michelob Ultra, although we could get into an argument over
is Michelob Ultra a light beer or is it in a separate category?
What would be the category? It's got 1 calorie less than
Miller Lite. It's not a light beer.
What would be the category their whole market beer of athletes?
The beer of athletes. Skinny can for a skinny man 2.5
carbs. Which is the same as Miller
Lite. Miller Lite is 2 point.
Six. Yeah, that's my point.
That's a significant difference. It adds up.
It adds up when you're about. 4
deep, you know. Which we're not.
I I like Miller the most, but I will say there are times where I
don't want to feel like I just shoved a whole loaf of bread
down my. Throat so some people some
people say that Miller Lite has a copper taste to it have you I.
Would almost say it's like weedy like like like.
Talking about hot take like beer is weedy.
More well like compared to like it has a more weedy after taste,
I would say, whereas curse like curse curse curse lot, you know,
it's just it's. Kind of so.
So could we say this Coors Light I believe, in my opinion goes
down the easiest most akin to water is Coors Light.
I would I can get behind now I. Agree.
Yes I agree. Bud Light way too sweet, has
almost a a a sweet sour taste to it.
I don't think I'd ever describe as sweet.
Yeah, it's sweet. Like if we did a blind taste
test. Bud Light is to me the furthest
on the right hand side in terms of tasting different from the
other light. I would agree with that.
Now where do you put Bush light in here?
Bush lights? A bit of a wild card in.
The Bush Light is a Midwest beer and if you're not from the
Midwest you just use like, I don't even know what it tastes
like. I I actually like it.
I like a Bush apple Drinkable. Bush, Apple.
Bush apples for special occasions.
Special occasion? Oh my gosh.
Here's the thing about Bush Apple.
When they 1st come out in the fall.
No, no, no. Here's what happened in College
Station. Is that the it's a seasonal
beer. Yeah, so and in college.
No, no, I didn't just sell out in College Station.
The Dixie Chicken, very popular beer and or sorry bar in in
College Station. They purchased every single Bush
Apple can in the entire Bryan College Station.
Bryan College Station, That metro area was the only place
you could get in. Did they upsell it?
I'm sure they did. That's brilliant.
OK, any other hills? Yes, I've got 1G is the superior
zone 2 sport. That is the absolute stupidest,
most unintelligible. You've never listened to
Huberman take I've Ever, I think.
We've got a wide range of listeners and there's going to
be some that don't even know what Zone 2 is he.
Doesn't. Either because he said it golf
was a good activity, don't have him.
Explain. Why don't you explain to us what
zone 2 is? My wife for this moment.
OK. So in the aerobic heart rate
system, there are certain thresholds of heart rate that
are in different zones. You take your maximum heart
rate. For most people, it's about 185
to 190 would be your Max heart rate.
You guys probably want to know because you play golf, you've
never been close to that, but you take that and then you go
about 10 to 15% per heart rate zone to determine your 5 levels.
So some people would say there's a zone 0, but for most
scientists of which don't play golf, there's zone one, zone 2.
Zone 3 in science, zone 2 is kind of a popular term right now
because it it describes the period of heart rate zone for
most people would be like 138 beats per minute to maybe like
high one 40s beats per minute. That, that is kind of the
optimum spot for being able to do long term cardio without kind
of having negative recovery effects the next day.
So people say zone 2 training is a great way to build your
aerobic system. You guys probably once again
don't know about aerobic systems because you play golf building
that aerobic engine and and it's a a great way to kind of gain
cardio fitness without taxing yourself long term.
I I feel like you just have never had to experience being 2
beers in, having a Zen in and you're on a tee box after a
group in front of you tells you to play through and they're just
watching you. 165 the. Stadium post is going crazy.
Oh my, your heart raking. Yeah.
Probably higher than any whatever fad you're into now.
High Rox. Skinny camper skinny.
Man. OK, all right.
Here, let me let me let me propose a question to you then.
What would you if you had to rank, you know, different forms
of zone 2 cardio like what? What would you, what would you
give us your top? I don't know too.
What would you say if you're doing a, let's say hour long
zone two session? What is your preferred method of
cardio once? Again, since I'm an athlete, I
prefer running which. You.
Know, I know you guys don't know a ton about probably running and
then biking. Running in.
The maybe some, maybe some.
The type of athlete that, like, couldn't do anything in sports.
And so they landed on running and and bikes, right?
Yeah. Like I said.
Like the the guy that does track.
I'm just kidding. You really love Track.
I played baseball competitively. Did they cut anyone from that
baseball? Team I was the only.
Player on a high school baseball team that didn't receive
Division One offers at school. OK.
So emphasis on competitively. So and emphasis on didn't
receive. So yeah, you played with really
competitive people there's. No way.
Pull up your whoop. Pull up your whoop data and show
me the last time you golfed and I will look at your heart rate
zones and we will define definitively if you ever reached
anything above 1. Tool, OK, there's a couple
different things here. Just hear me out, OK?
You're speaking in a very derogatory tone.
No, I'm not. You're not letting me get to my
point here, which I I think I have a lot of genuinely good
points to make about why golf is a great zone 2 cardio sport.
Go for it. OK, number one, you play golf
for a total of 4 hours. OK, so you're getting some
you're getting, you know, high quality.
You know you're not, you're not going to be probably in zone 2
the entire time. You're probably hovering
somewhere between, you know, higher zone 1 to somewhere in
zone 2. And hear me out again on this is
that have you ever carried your bag for 18 holes?
You guys never carry your bags. Yeah.
Well, you know, if I wanted to I just, I just, I didn't say that,
OK. I'm just saying if you were to
carry your bag, you're getting, you're, you're basically rocking
with 40 to 50 lbs on your back, OK.
On top of that, you're, you're walking up hills, you're walking
downhills. You're not really, there's no,
there's no cartilage issues that are, that are happening breaking
down from, from all the running that you're doing.
On top of that, there's a mental focus and a mental clarity that
you need in the midst of the round that you don't need while
you're zoning out on your bike, watching the office.
And then on top of that as well, are you?
Behind this, smart people golf dump people.
Other things, anything else on top of that, the you're you're
you're getting, I would say a mobility workout in the in the
course of the in the course of the workout as well.
You know much spinal flexion and spinal rotation that you need to
play golf. Ball.
The people on golf courses in America have had multiple hip
replacements and you're telling me that it's about mobility?
These guys can barely pick up their golf ball.
OK, there there's a difference between 1919 seventies golf and
golf in in the 20 twenties you seen Rory McIlroy.
Here's the deal, any sport, all right, that allows for you, let
me finish this point and then you can go let me finish this
point. John Daly is the wins the
argument here. Any sport where a professional
can be 50 to 60 lbs overweight. Have eaten 12 Hooters wings
before we got on the course, ripped through half a pack of
Marlboro Reds, drink 2 Diet Cokes, half a handle of vodka
and a couple. Energy drinks and when multiple.
At the pristine level of his sport is not a Zone 2.
Activity. It's a bad it's a bad argument.
John Daly is in Zone 2 when he gets out of his chair in the
morning. I remember running my first half
marathon, I got passed by an old man with a ponytail with a huge
gut. And so I, you know, there's all
sorts of different shapes and sizes that you see in with
people that are. That are good at playing golf,
are out of shape and overweight. If you're, I mean, if you're
playing leisurely, The thing is, is like if you're, if you're.
In God. If you're into running, you're
running every day when you're playing golf.
It's a great workout. It's a great way to carry
athletics into your 70s and and 80s.
Will you cut them off? Keep going.
All right? Yeah.
We, we, we'll move on. I I do land with Clayton here
simple because your arguments about people being overweight
and it not can be considered sport but you were talking about
playing baseball your whole life where you can clearly be
overweight and still be professional.
Prince Fielder. I think when I, when I look at
all these sales we die on right in the last however long we
spent talking about things that we actually don't care that much
about, I'm thinking, why do we do that?
I know for me, I I and I've realized this a lot, especially
with the last couple of years. I just love rage baiting people.
You. Absolutely do.
And I will die on hills that I don't remember 5 minutes
afterwards. You'll you'll die on.
You'll die on a hill that you don't even believe yourself in.
An absolutely not. Yeah, but you.
But I. Just want to rage bait.
Yes, like 1,000,000%. So define rage baiting.
And like, I mean, I'm just, you're trying to make someone
else to make you rage. Yeah, right.
So like I'm just saying things to.
Get you going. Get you going and get you to
jump on it. So I know for me, a lot of my
dumb hills are just me trying to rage bite the people around me
and they will change based off that.
What is it for you guys? Like why?
Where does it come from you guys?
Are you guys also the same? Is it something else?
Probably my deep love of being right and winning.
Yeah. So the the lesson, virtuous
approach and what I just said, yeah.
This, this is our. This is our our villain.
Our villain. Coming out of another.
I mean, I think the three of us, one of the reasons that we get
along so well is because we're all three pretty darn stubborn
when it comes to our opinions and thoughts.
Oh yeah. It's amazing that we get along
so well. It, it is.
But it's like we have the important things in common.
Yeah. And we're stubborn on those
things. We're not willing to move.
But when it comes to things that are kind of ancillary, that's
where we just get after it. Like one of my favorite things
is our our mutual friend Will. It wasn't talented enough to be
invited to the podcast, but he he's like the best guy to argue
with because he gets so into it, so into it.
Like you get him going on conspiracy theories and then
poke a hole in that and he gets fired up.
So I think it's just like, I love being right.
I love winning arguments. And so if there's a opportunity
to win, I want to argue it. I think the second thing on a
more serious town is we live in a culture that's afraid to
disagree. And So what we like to do
instead is disagree about things that don't actually matter.
So it's like we will get very fiery with each other and and
even people in culture about kind of meaningless objects.
But when it comes to actually discussing real hard topics that
really need an actual intellectual debate and
conversation around, people don't want to touch touch that
with the 10 foot pole. So I think it's kind of
acquiescing their desire to be able to conflict in
conversation, debate well. Do you have any That's funny.
Well, I just, I, I just think that, you know, I don't a lot of
these hills like for instance, this G1, you know, it's like,
you know, do I kind of think that?
Yeah, I do. I think golf is a is a great
form of, of zone 2 cardio. Do I care about it as much as I
just fought with John Michael about it?
No, not necessarily. But honestly, here's kind of
what I was thinking is I enjoy it's kind of it's like a it's
like a mental exercise of sorts. You know, it, it forces me to
kind of defend a point and you're kind of going back and
forth. There's there's just like I
just, you know, it's a light hearted nature of that.
There's probably maybe some more serious hills that I would die
on that I would actually defend when it comes to things like
this. Like I just kind of enjoy the
light hearted banter back and forth and trying to figure out
how I'm going to defend my point because there's a lot of holes
in it. Yeah.
You know. And to that, like I agree with
you, like I I just love a good argument session.
I don't care if I believe what. I'm arguing about right?
But also to your point of like, it does kind of feel like in our
culture, we don't really argue about important things.
And by arguing, I don't mean like maybe debating.
I don't whatever the term is, right?
A lot of people will debate in bad faith, right?
Or just debate to make the other person look Dumber or like, but
no one's actually trying to have conversations.
And I, I guess my question is like, is that why these dumb
hills can feel so personal at times?
You know what I mean? And not just for us, but I I
think like in general everyone has dumb hills that they die on,
but it they always get so personal.
I think there's even the meaningless hills still have a
point of identity. Yeah.
So like you guys enjoy golf, you consider yourself a golf first.
Well. Yeah, sorry golf.
Sorry people. Who?
Golf. Yeah, not, not golfers, but
like, even when you have a stupid argument it, it still is
a point of your identity. And so when you feel like your
point is being attacked, you're taking it as somewhat of an
attack. Like I'm being attacked.
Who you are as a person, what you believe, what your values
are, what your culture is, what your tribe is, who you belong
to, what what your family's about, all that kind of stuff.
Like if you're arguing. I used to have heated debates
when I was living in Kansas about Bud Light versus Miller
Lite because these people are from the Midwest, Kansas City,
Saint Louis, Chicago, and they were like, I'm from Saint Louis.
My family has been drinking Anheuser Busch products for 50
years. We only drink Bud Light.
Bud Light is the superior beer. They didn't care about Bud
Light. They just cared about the fact
that their family, who they love, that was just what they
did. How do you toe the line right?
And I think amongst ourselves, right?
We've been friends for so long that we we all know the line,
right? And we'll like we know when the
other person's joking and so we can get away with a couple
things, right? Like if I'm talking to a strange
about golf being in zone 2 workout because they're a
runner, I would never say, you know, smart people play golf and
young people that couldn't make it in any other sports, right?
And so how do you toe the line when you're having these
conversations out in public? An example that I just thought
of was when we were in college, John Michael, we lived with some
guys that were not Catholic. They were Protestant.
And you know, there'd be, you know, we were, we were the
Catholic guys. You know, we kind of had that
identity. Jose, you were a part of that as
well. We had all these friends that
weren't Catholic and we were the Catholic guys, you know, and I
would say, you know, there's, there's was some light hearted
kind of banter at times, you know, back and forth about, I
don't know, just Catholic things or being Catholic.
And we kind of give it back to him about being Protestant or
whatever. But there, there's, there's a
point where things go a little bit too far or you're making
that joke consistently. You know, it's one thing for it
to kind of come up every now and again as a joke, but then every
time something that's meant something's mentioned that's
Catholic, you know, there's, there's jokes that are made
about it. And so for something like golf,
that's a hobby of mine, something that I enjoy, being
Catholic is deeply personal to my identity as a man, you know,
and I'm totally OK with the guys, you know, making some
jokes about it here and there. That's fine, you know, But it's,
you know, I'm not really going to trust you as a person if
that's that becomes the basis of our conversations is like, you
know, this banter back and forth and poking fun at something
that's deeply important to me. I also think there's something
just absolutely hilarious about when people start arguing about
trivial things because it's just like, this is just funny.
Like there is no reason why you actually believe that.
But now we've kind of created this environment where now
everyone's invested in this. Like I think about probably my
favorite podcast we've done was our college football episode
back in fall of 25. I've gotten the most responses
from that. I had a guy the other day text
me and he goes, dude, I just watched the college football
episode. How could, how in the world
could you not want Navy in the national championship game?
And he's a Naval Academy graduate.
And he was like, I want to let you know that the entire
military services is going to get this podcast and they're not
going to be defending you. They will not be happy.
God bless our troops. I do support our troops.
Do you support our troops? It's not.
They're football games. That's right.
So it there, there's something about why did everyone like that
episode? Because it was just like, it's
pretty ridiculous, right? I mean, at one point Clayton,
you know, was convinced that I didn't like the movie.
Miracle made-up didn't even. Happen.
You did say. You did say.
That Herb Brooks speech overrated.
Yeah. OK.
So as we close out here, just want to spend some time on what
are some other dumb hills that you would actually defend to the
end. We we're not arguing them, we're
just presenting what the hill is.
I would love to talk about e-mail etiquette.
I am really into e-mail etiquette and there are a few
things that absolutely drive me crazy surrounding e-mail
etiquette and hills that I will die on professionally.
If you are out of office OK and you have an out of office reply
set then you are not allowed to respond to any emails.
Does this ever happen to you? You e-mail someone and then you
get an out of office right back and then 2 seconds later they
e-mail you back and you're like why did you have an out of
office on in the 1st place? Now I have two emails in my
inbox when I should only have one.
Number two, you should never, ever have a picture of yourself
in your e-mail signature. Have you seen those I?
Disagree. I think there's probably times
when you. Need it.
No, never. Yeah, it's an e-mail.
If I wanted a picture of your face, I would.
Ask at. The recruiting major, OK,
Literally my first thought was like a life insurance agent, you
know, like there's people that are in sales that, you know,
they put their photos at the bottom.
I don't have a problem with that.
But if it's an internal like, I feel like it might be different
if it's internal to an organization.
And and you guys know, what I feel very strongly about is
creative e-mail signatures. You should have them.
We all know at what point you know John Michaels.
In I get 100. I get 150 emails a day.
Maybe 200, maybe 250. Maybe I'm exaggerating, I think.
So 15 you try too hard with your emails, Yeah.
I I've gotten great feedback about my my custom e-mail.
Signature chasing what matters? We don't even know what you're
chasing. I'm chasing what?
Matters what matters. So context.
Relativist. Context here to our audience.
I have a e-mail signature that says chasing what matters.
It's a personal brand and these guys have been roasting me for
years now about my personal e-mail signatures.
Well, then your LinkedIn says what, like let go and let God or
something like that. I think that what's your brand?
What's your brand on LinkedIn? God is on the move.
Didn't they make a movie about
that? God is not dead.
There's a sequel coming out. It's all Michael starring in it.
God is not dead. I.
Think your biggest crime was when you almost you signed off a
Teams message with a prayer, That's when that you cross.
The line and a hashtag. And a hashtag.
We're inside of the prayer, I think.
I think you cooked a little too long in the kitchen.
Let us know in the comments what you think about custom e-mail
signatures. All right, Clayton.
Dumbest till I I. Just like anything.
Yeah. Like for for me, one that just
gets me going is I think in it also in our job, we work with
young people. Yeah.
Or younger people when they will avoid picking up the phone.
Yes. Like, just pick up the phone,
you know, or, or, or like I want to give you a job offer.
Yeah. You call them and they text you
the whole time. Yeah, they they will.
Never answer. But they will not answer the
phone. Yep, that's one that I'm like
that I will down the hill just like just pick up the phone.
Is it a nervousness thing? I.
Don't know. Again, we're never.
Remembers, you know, your childhood being afraid to pick
up the phone and going, I don't know, maybe it's like.
AI mean yeah, maybe when I was in like 7th, 8th, maybe 9th
grade. Yeah, I mean that point. 222324.
Yep, mine is everybody should have a full length, you know,
back scratcher cleanser in the shower.
Listen as as someone that's not entirely flexible.
Besides, even though I do play golf, you.
I was. Even though I do play golf.
You said mobility was the key benefit of golf.
It's it's absolutely. So explain the back scratcher.
Well, just like. To put soap on your back.
The full length thing, yeah, you put the soap on it and you're
able. To I'm imagining like those that
have like a hand at the end. All I'm saying.
Is that I've never felt more fully cleansed in my life than
having having one of those. So where do you put it?
The the one I bought came with a hanger that you put in the
shower and then you hang it. I think 11 for me.
It's got a soft side and a hard bristles.
Is coffee, there's a certain way that I appreciate coffee and
there's certain ways that I don't.
And if someone doesn't cross my barrier of what I think makes
good coffee, I will for sure. Just I, I, I would prefer to
just not have coffee. I would just be like, oh, I'm
OK. Like milk?
What? What is your barrier?
Is it milk based? And I might, and I'm getting
better at this, but I might also lose a little respect for them.
Wow. So I mean, like, I, I, I like
drip coffee. Black drip coffee.
Yep. But I think a lot of people
naturally, maybe that's how they grew up, maybe just in the
interest of being like, it's easier those like, you know,
when they just a big tub of like Folgers or Kirkland coffee where
it just tastes like black tar and they just like there's no
measurement. I mean, there's no signs in
that, which is OK. You know what I call that?
Coffee. But it's just nasty.
I call it post mass coffee. Like, have you ever had coffee
that you're in a parish is just undrinkable.
I don't know if that's a dumb hell, I don't.
But yeah, I I've gone in many arguments with friends, I've
offended other friends because I will just not, I will bring my
own coffee to your. House I just had the same
argument with our friend Nick. Mr. Mr. Nick, yeah, colleague of
ours. He, he's the cheap coffee guy.
And he was arguing with me because he was like, I, I, I
like making pour overs in the morning.
I made Clayton about four of them this morning.
That's why he's been shaking this entire podcast.
But I love really good coffee. And he's like, you shouldn't
drink a nice coffee because it affects your taste and you're
not OK drinking cheap coffee. And I was like exactly.
That's the point. That's.
OK, that is the exact point. He's like, well, that's wrong.
It's like you shouldn't be eating vegetables because it's
going to change your taste buds. You're going to prefer those.
It's a great point over junk. Yeah, we'll send this.
We'll send that one. That's brilliant.
Great. Any other dumb hills?
Gentlemen, no. It it, it is funny because I'm
like, I can't think of any, but I know within the next hour I
will give. Him like 3 different arguments.
We have to edit this episode. About things that I are so dumb
that I don't even believe myself, you know?
One of my favorite arguments that we've had was me explaining
to Clayton why the Whoop is such a great fitness wearable and him
roasting me for it. And then now both of you are
wearing whoops on this podcast. Pull it.
Pull your wrist. We'll save those wrists for
another time. Yeah, audience couldn't handle
it. Modest is hottest.
Yeah. And I, I think that's another
thing that we do a lot. We just want to convince each
other of the things that we. 100%.
And we like to be stubborn and not, I mean same thing with the
Owalla, right? With being clean of like I just
roasted him for the Owalla, which by what you don't even OK.
The other thing that bothered me about this argument that we had
that I ended up getting in Owalla afterwards is that you
never carry a water bottle with you.
No, he will not till today. For the longest time, anytime I
was around Clayton, yes. He's the guy drinking water.
A sip of water. I'm Thursday.
I need water. Bring.
Your water. Bring your it's 2026, everyone
owns a water bottle. I know I was actually like, do
you own you like? Yeah, I own like 6.
I just don't like to use it. Like to carry it with me?
Do you have your? Do you have your water bottle
with you? I think it left it in your car,
yeah. See, that's what he does too.
He leaves stuff and then he blames it on you because.
They take us home. So most of us aren't actually
fighting over dumb things, we're just trying to feel grounded,
right understood, or in control. Or we're just simply trying to
have some fun painting it with our friends.
Learning which hills matter and which don't is for sure part of
growing up and, and, and learning to laugh at yourself
through that. But if this episode made you
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