1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,680 Everyone has at least one opinion that makes absolutely no 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,040 sense, but you will defend like your life depends on. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,240 And if you don't have one of those, then you're wrong. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,440 No, but you at least have a friend that does. 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,640 And today we're going to talk about the dumbest hills that we 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:21,840 die on, why we care so much about those miniscule things, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,520 and what it says about us when we take ourselves a little too 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,160 seriously when we get into these arguments. 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,320 This is all in podcast. Welcome to the dumbest cells We 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:48,760 die on. All right, let's before we dive 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:56,280 too deep into the dumbest mountains, let's start with some 12 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,600 foothills. Foothills. 13 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,440 What a couple little things that you know that are a little out 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,400 there that you guys have let you die on that people disagree with 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,200 you. Obviously you you're not wrong, 16 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,640 right? But people just tend to disagree 17 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,080 with you and they're wrong. Does that make sense? 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,600 I think for me, what I mean by that is I think Star Wars 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,680 Episode 8, The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie that's been 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,160 made. And a lot of people get mad at 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,680 me for that. As they should. 22 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,040 Well, and it's like, I don't think I'm wrong, I just think 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,640 they just don't know how to think for themselves, right? 24 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,520 And they'll catch up to me eventually. 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,880 I don't think they're wrong. I just think they can't think. 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,400 So what's the what's the debate on that? 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,560 I don't like Star Wars, so I I'm. 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,120 Not like you, I also didn't grow up like a big Star Wars person. 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,040 And so when I watch them, I'm like, these are not great 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,440 movies. They did a lot for movies in 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,000 general, right? For special effects, for sci-fi, 32 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,520 for fantasy, like they did a lot for the movie industry. 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,760 But as movies that kind of suck. And then you got the prequels 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,760 that you know, they're fun, but a lot of people don't like them 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:12,160 and they have the sequels, which is like it's like you got the 36 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,960 first sequel that sucks. It's just like copy paste of the 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,960 original movie. So it's like no original ideas. 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Then you have The Last Jedi, which is the only one that tried 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,040 to do anything original in the whole Star Wars at, you know, 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,640 after creating the original story. 41 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:29,960 Obviously it's the only one with any attempt at character 42 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,600 development. It's only one with like I think 43 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Kylo Ren, what's his name? Adam Driver. 44 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,480 My twin. It's like the best, I'm sorry. 45 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:40,680 That's a hill I'm going to die on. 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,800 Kylo Ren looks like me. No, he doesn't. 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:46,320 Yes, he. Does actor that's ever been on 48 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:46,920 a? Star No, no. 49 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,040 Hold on, hold on. No. 50 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:53,160 He's got great hair. Like me, he has a large schnoz. 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Nose, Yeah. Like me, he's 6 foot 4. 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,840 Like me, he has a very cute little little freckle butt right 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,280 there. You know, like me. 54 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,160 I've been told by multiple people that I look like that guy 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,200 and then another guy. Is there another character on 56 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Star Wars who I look like? The. 57 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:14,880 What's it's It's from one of the newer Star Wars. 58 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Movies. He's a he's a fighter with. 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,760 The Hut What? What's his? 60 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:21,720 Name. Attila the hunt, I don't. 61 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Know what you're talking? About We'll pull it. 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,880 We'll pull it if you know. Put in the comments, please. 63 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,760 That you look like, yeah. I I I get confused for 64 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,160 celebrities frequently. The other one This Is Us Guy 65 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,520 Jack from This Is Us. Well, you do objectively look 66 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,040 like, yeah. Yeah, that's the one guy that I 67 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,760 would agree with so far. What celebrities have Nicola? 68 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,800 What? What celebrities have people 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,280 misidentified you for? None. 70 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,880 None. No, no, that's fair. 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,400 Not a single one. You got misidentified for John 72 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,040 Michael recently. I did. 73 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:58,440 What a compliment. Yeah. 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,440 They didn't know your name. Tell the story. 75 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,120 It was a It was a listener podcast in our annual conference 76 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,880 that we that we go to seek. One of the all innies an. 77 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,880 Innie. Come on, show up. 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,000 Pull up. Where my innies at? 79 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,240 And he came up to me and he said Michael from the podcast. 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,440 I said, well, there's John Michael, there's Clayton. 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,080 And oddly enough, we don't look alike, I would say. 82 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,200 But I guess in college, maybe we did look a little bit more 83 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:36,520 alike. Did he know you in college? 84 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Huh. Did he know you in college? 85 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,160 John, Michael. No. 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,280 The guy that confused you? No, no. 87 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:46,440 I'm just, I'm just saying like I, I've been, I've been called 88 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,680 John Michael. In college. 89 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,400 Really. Yeah. 90 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,800 I mean, it hasn't. I mean, it hasn't happened in a 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,800 long time, you know? 1 You can grow facial haircuts. 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,040 I still can't all these years later. 93 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,440 All right? Going back to yeah, that last 94 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,080 year I being starred best Star Wars movie. 95 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,320 I'm not a big. Star Wars fan. 96 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,160 But for whatever reason, not. Every Star Wars fan. 97 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Launches into a 5 minute. Explanation. 98 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,920 And if he's whole series. Well, here's the purpose of this 99 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,840 episode. It's whenever it comes up, I 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,800 will gladly fight as if my life depends on it about it for no 101 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,640 reason. And I, I, I have a bit of a 102 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,520 reason, but I want to get into what are some of the takes that 103 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,880 for you guys that they're not that important to you, but for 104 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,440 whatever reason it unleashes the beast. 105 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,200 Stanley Cups are not feminine. That's one of mine. 106 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,960 So they're they're. Stanley. 107 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,360 Cups, you know, not for hockey with the straw. 108 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,560 No, no, no, no, you're not hockey. 109 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:45,920 No, no. Those are definitely master, but 110 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,160 a lot of people I don't have an A Stanley Cup I have. 111 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,720 Sounds like you do. Today, this morning, this is how 112 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:59,360 big Clayton's cup is, is I I couldn't find a place to put my 113 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,760 coffee because it's freaking 64 oz. 114 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:06,840 Big Gulp Stanley Cup 64 was. Taking over both of the cup. 115 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:10,400 Holders. The he had it, he had the he had 116 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,280 his cup in the cup holder. There's one right here. 117 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,400 And the handle was so big there was nowhere to for me to put my 118 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,800 coffee. Listen, the thing I, I would 119 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,480 argue that the cups with a straw like that are and it's not a 120 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,200 Stanley Cup. I forget the name. 121 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,440 I forget the name of it, but there's some really great 122 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,280 features of it that are different from the Stanley Cup, 123 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,080 like the fact that you can lock the top of it. 124 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,280 So unlike normal straw cups, you you can spill it pretty easily 125 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:34,680 with this one, you can lock the top. 126 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,520 I'll put my electrolytes in there in the morning and shake 127 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,720 it up and then the it's, it's matte black, which is nice, you 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,080 know, kind of, you know, reminds me to dye to myself. 129 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,280 And then on top of that, there's just a convenience with having 130 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,080 the handle and and having having the straw. 131 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,480 I would argue you're. In a tight black. 132 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,200 Shirt, I would argue. About. 133 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,600 Your second best, second best is the Awala right here because it 134 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,120 allows you to both sip or gulp, which I think is a really great 135 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,520 a really great feature. So I just want to be able to 136 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,040 grab the water ball and and drink it. 137 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,720 It's an act of convenience that a lot of people. 138 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,240 Don't. About two years ago we got on a 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,440 three hour argument. Yes. 140 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,680 Because you just bought a wallet and I was still on Stanley Cups 141 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,480 or not? Stanley Cups Hydra flasks, the 142 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,600 water. Bottle right, Those are out. 143 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,560 And those are so out. And for now we just argued about 144 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,600 3 hours about which one was better and which one was worse. 145 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,120 And we we blind tested the straws from each water bottle. 146 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,920 Which yours was objectively harder to try. 3 hour argument 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,400 gets blind tested. At. 148 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,280 What point of the argument did this come up? 149 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,720 At the hour 45 mark. Screw it, we're blood taste. 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Testing. And so all that to say, I think 151 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,480 we left the argument thinking that both of us left thinking we 152 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,560 won the argument, right? And then what happened 2 weeks 153 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,880 later? I bought in a while and I didn't 154 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,600 tell you for the next 6 months because I was scared and I still 155 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,560 have one. Yeah, this is mine. 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,440 Yeah, there you go. Well, I've moved on since then. 157 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,640 Another dumb hell that you die on a lot is you think Dirk 158 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,280 Nowitzki was a better player than Tim Duncan. 100%. 159 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,000 Yeah, I found a doubt. I will stand by that until the 160 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,960 day I die. Why is that again? 161 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,120 Tim Duncan was a system player. How? 162 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,240 Can you be a system player if you are the system? 163 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,320 Hey listen, you heard a you heard a YouTube short where you 164 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,560 heard Shaq say that we. Were just watching this pre 165 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,280 recording. Right. 166 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Tracy McGrady says, and I quote Tim Duncan was a system player. 167 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,080 If you take him out, the Spurs make the playoffs and still 168 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,120 potentially win it all. Who do you think he knows more 169 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,799 about basketball, Tracy McGrady or Shaq? 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,480 We're not talking about owning Papa John's, we're talking about 171 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,320 basketball. T Mac. 172 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,880 It's just it. I mean I think anyone outside of 173 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Dallas and Germany with think that's just an objectively bad 174 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,920 take. I well, I just think if you put 175 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,720 Dirk on the Spurs, you, you put Dirk on the Spurs, he can do 176 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,600 everything that Timmy can, except he can also hit the 177 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,960 three. That's that's the difference. 178 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,040 I don't think he has the same. Fundamental Dirk had an 179 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,800 objectively tougher career because of the players that he 180 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,080 was surrounded by. On because he didn't make him as 181 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,640 good as Timmy did with his. Players. 182 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,040 Oh, absolutely not. I think it had a lot. 183 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,560 I mean, props to to Gregg Popovich, perhaps to manage 184 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,280 nobly and Tony Parker. I mean, great, great players. 185 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,560 I mean, Pop was into, you know, drafting and picking up on on 186 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:20,840 European players. That's awesome. 187 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,960 You know the Mavs did in South America, in South American 188 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,920 thinking. Who had more Hall of Farmers on 189 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,280 their team? The Spurs of The Mavericks. 190 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,160 Well, that's what we're going after is that I'm, I'm not 191 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,760 saying Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili weren't good players. 192 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,520 They were good players, but without Tim Duncan that I don't 193 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,360 think they're Hall of Farmers. I think you can put in another, 194 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,960 you know, 610 big man that can, you know. 195 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,960 To heal Okafor you think you put him in there, you don't even 196 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,080 know what. That is to Craig Odin. 197 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,640 Craig Odin. Yeah, OK. 198 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,720 All right, so obviously a dumb hill for for you, John Michael. 199 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,560 I just looked up the side by side stats comparison of Tim 200 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:06,040 Duncan versus dirt. We're not going to. 201 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,680 We're not going to say those out loud. 202 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,880 And again, if you go by all objectivity. 203 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,480 It's a blood. The only thing Dirk has is he 204 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,720 averaged 20.7 points a game. Duncan had 19. 205 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,200 Duncan had 15 All NBA first team defensive teams. 206 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,520 Dirk had zero all pro teams. Tim Duncan 12, Dirk 10. 207 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:32,720 NBA Championships Tim 5, Dirk 1, Finals MVP. 3 I think. 208 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,800 It's it's. Yeah, it's a bloodbath. 209 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Anyways, dumb takes for you, don't worry. 210 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,120 Miller Lite is the superior light beer. 211 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,320 I I just don't see how that's a dumb thick. 212 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:48,280 Yeah, I completely agree. That's a hill, and no one's 213 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,840 dying on it. A lot of people are. 214 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,240 The Midwest, a lot of people are, yeah. 215 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:52,880 But it depends on where you're from. 216 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,240 Well. Light beer is a very it's a very 217 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:56,400 cultural thing. For sure. 218 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,440 Yeah, So what? Would you say the top 3 Miller 219 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,120 Coors? Miller Coors, Are We Talking? 220 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Taste or are we talking? Sales just, yeah, just popular, 221 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,120 I think if you drew out a map. Coors, Bud Miller for sure. 222 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,280 I forget just volume. No one likes Bud Light. 223 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,240 Who I don't Wayne Gillis. Does, and he's bringing it back. 224 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,240 You talk about a glow up Bud Light from very spicy 225 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,360 commercials to bring in Shane Gillis and Post Malone and 226 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Peyton Manning on their. Very, very different strategies. 227 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,160 Very different. So I think Miller Lite is the 228 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,080 superior light beer. You I I would also make a case 229 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,200 for Michelob Ultra, although we could get into an argument over 230 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,760 is Michelob Ultra a light beer or is it in a separate category? 231 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,280 What would be the category? It's got 1 calorie less than 232 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,720 Miller Lite. It's not a light beer. 233 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,440 What would be the category their whole market beer of athletes? 234 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,320 The beer of athletes. Skinny can for a skinny man 2.5 235 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,400 carbs. Which is the same as Miller 236 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Lite. Miller Lite is 2 point. 237 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,960 Six. Yeah, that's my point. 238 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,920 That's a significant difference. It adds up. 239 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,840 It adds up. It adds up when you're about. 4 240 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,840 deep, you know. Which we're not. 241 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,320 I I like Miller the most, but I will say there are times where I 242 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,240 don't want to feel like I just shoved a whole loaf of bread 243 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,840 down my. Throat so some people some 244 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:16,160 people say that Miller Lite has a copper taste to it have you I. 245 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,920 Would almost say it's like weedy like like like. 246 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,840 Talking about hot take like beer is weedy. 247 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:29,600 More well like compared to like it has a more weedy after taste, 248 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,280 I would say, whereas curse like curse curse curse lot, you know, 249 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,440 it's just it's. Kind of so. 250 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,440 So could we say this Coors Light I believe, in my opinion goes 251 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,280 down the easiest most akin to water is Coors Light. 252 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,240 I would I can get behind now I. Agree. 253 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,960 Yes I agree. Bud Light way too sweet, has 254 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,200 almost a a a sweet sour taste to it. 255 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,920 I don't think I'd ever describe as sweet. 256 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,920 Yeah, it's sweet. Like if we did a blind taste 257 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,240 test. Bud Light is to me the furthest 258 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,880 on the right hand side in terms of tasting different from the 259 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,040 other light. I would agree with that. 260 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,200 Now where do you put Bush light in here? 261 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,960 Bush lights? A bit of a wild card in. 262 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,320 The Bush Light is a Midwest beer and if you're not from the 263 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,560 Midwest you just use like, I don't even know what it tastes 264 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,680 like. I I actually like it. 265 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,320 I like a Bush apple Drinkable. Bush, Apple. 266 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:19,880 Bush apples for special occasions. 267 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,280 Special occasion? Oh my gosh. 268 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,480 Here's the thing about Bush Apple. 269 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:24,840 When they 1st come out in the fall. 270 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,720 No, no, no. Here's what happened in College 271 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,520 Station. Is that the it's a seasonal 272 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,560 beer. Yeah, so and in college. 273 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,440 No, no, I didn't just sell out in College Station. 274 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:37,560 The Dixie Chicken, very popular beer and or sorry bar in in 275 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:42,360 College Station. They purchased every single Bush 276 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,240 Apple can in the entire Bryan College Station. 277 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,880 Bryan College Station, That metro area was the only place 278 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,280 you could get in. Did they upsell it? 279 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,920 I'm sure they did. That's brilliant. 280 00:13:53,840 --> 00:14:01,840 OK, any other hills? Yes, I've got 1G is the superior 281 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:07,240 zone 2 sport. That is the absolute stupidest, 282 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,400 most unintelligible. You've never listened to 283 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,880 Huberman take I've Ever, I think. 284 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,560 We've got a wide range of listeners and there's going to 285 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:17,400 be some that don't even know what Zone 2 is he. 286 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,440 Doesn't. Either because he said it golf 287 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,000 was a good activity, don't have him. 288 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,360 Explain. Why don't you explain to us what 289 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,080 zone 2 is? My wife for this moment. 290 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,080 OK. So in the aerobic heart rate 291 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,120 system, there are certain thresholds of heart rate that 292 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,000 are in different zones. You take your maximum heart 293 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,160 rate. For most people, it's about 185 294 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,000 to 190 would be your Max heart rate. 295 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,440 You guys probably want to know because you play golf, you've 296 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,000 never been close to that, but you take that and then you go 297 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,200 about 10 to 15% per heart rate zone to determine your 5 levels. 298 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,760 So some people would say there's a zone 0, but for most 299 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,960 scientists of which don't play golf, there's zone one, zone 2. 300 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:07,360 Zone 3 in science, zone 2 is kind of a popular term right now 301 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,320 because it it describes the period of heart rate zone for 302 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,320 most people would be like 138 beats per minute to maybe like 303 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,240 high one 40s beats per minute. That, that is kind of the 304 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:23,240 optimum spot for being able to do long term cardio without kind 305 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,120 of having negative recovery effects the next day. 306 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,400 So people say zone 2 training is a great way to build your 307 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,120 aerobic system. You guys probably once again 308 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,160 don't know about aerobic systems because you play golf building 309 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:40,360 that aerobic engine and and it's a a great way to kind of gain 310 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,920 cardio fitness without taxing yourself long term. 311 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:50,560 I I feel like you just have never had to experience being 2 312 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,440 beers in, having a Zen in and you're on a tee box after a 313 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,120 group in front of you tells you to play through and they're just 314 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,480 watching you. 165 the. Stadium post is going crazy. 315 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,600 Oh my, your heart raking. Yeah. 316 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,960 Probably higher than any whatever fad you're into now. 317 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,040 High Rox. Skinny camper skinny. 318 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Man. OK, all right. 319 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Here, let me let me let me propose a question to you then. 320 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,960 What would you if you had to rank, you know, different forms 321 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,560 of zone 2 cardio like what? What would you, what would you 322 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,000 give us your top? I don't know too. 323 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,680 What would you say if you're doing a, let's say hour long 324 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,760 zone two session? What is your preferred method of 325 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,960 cardio once? Again, since I'm an athlete, I 326 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,200 prefer running which. You. 327 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,960 Know, I know you guys don't know a ton about probably running and 328 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,720 then biking. Running in. 329 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,600 Running in. The maybe some, maybe some. 330 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,720 The type of athlete that, like, couldn't do anything in sports. 331 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,200 And so they landed on running and and bikes, right? 332 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,600 Yeah. Like I said. 333 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,960 Like the the guy that does track. 334 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,560 I'm just kidding. You really love Track. 335 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:10,520 I played baseball competitively. Did they cut anyone from that 336 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,920 baseball? Team I was the only. 337 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,359 Player on a high school baseball team that didn't receive 338 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,920 Division One offers at school. OK. 339 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,280 So emphasis on competitively. So and emphasis on didn't 340 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:23,440 receive. So yeah, you played with really 341 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,000 competitive people there's. No way. 342 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,160 Pull up your whoop. Pull up your whoop data and show 343 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,800 me the last time you golfed and I will look at your heart rate 344 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,320 zones and we will define definitively if you ever reached 345 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,920 anything above 1. Tool, OK, there's a couple 346 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,720 different things here. Just hear me out, OK? 347 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,160 You're speaking in a very derogatory tone. 348 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,800 No, I'm not. You're not letting me get to my 349 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,000 point here, which I I think I have a lot of genuinely good 350 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,520 points to make about why golf is a great zone 2 cardio sport. 351 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,320 Go for it. OK, number one, you play golf 352 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,720 for a total of 4 hours. OK, so you're getting some 353 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,200 you're getting, you know, high quality. 354 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,240 You know you're not, you're not going to be probably in zone 2 355 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,280 the entire time. You're probably hovering 356 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,120 somewhere between, you know, higher zone 1 to somewhere in 357 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:11,520 zone 2. And hear me out again on this is 358 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,600 that have you ever carried your bag for 18 holes? 359 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,520 You guys never carry your bags. Yeah. 360 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,240 Well, you know, if I wanted to I just, I just, I didn't say that, 361 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,000 OK. I'm just saying if you were to 362 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,960 carry your bag, you're getting, you're, you're basically rocking 363 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,440 with 40 to 50 lbs on your back, OK. 364 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,120 On top of that, you're, you're walking up hills, you're walking 365 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,280 downhills. You're not really, there's no, 366 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,280 there's no cartilage issues that are, that are happening breaking 367 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,760 down from, from all the running that you're doing. 368 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,720 On top of that, there's a mental focus and a mental clarity that 369 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,520 you need in the midst of the round that you don't need while 370 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,560 you're zoning out on your bike, watching the office. 371 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,240 And then on top of that as well, are you? 372 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Behind this, smart people golf dump people. 373 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,040 Other things, anything else on top of that, the you're you're 374 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:05,920 you're getting, I would say a mobility workout in the in the 375 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,920 course of the in the course of the workout as well. 376 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,600 You know much spinal flexion and spinal rotation that you need to 377 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,200 play golf. Ball. 378 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,360 The people on golf courses in America have had multiple hip 379 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:19,600 replacements and you're telling me that it's about mobility? 380 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,120 These guys can barely pick up their golf ball. 381 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:28,200 OK, there there's a difference between 1919 seventies golf and 382 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,920 golf in in the 20 twenties you seen Rory McIlroy. 383 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,720 Here's the deal, any sport, all right, that allows for you, let 384 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,280 me finish this point and then you can go let me finish this 385 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,040 point. John Daly is the wins the 386 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,480 argument here. Any sport where a professional 387 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,880 can be 50 to 60 lbs overweight. Have eaten 12 Hooters wings 388 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,760 before we got on the course, ripped through half a pack of 389 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,560 Marlboro Reds, drink 2 Diet Cokes, half a handle of vodka 390 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,240 and a couple. Energy drinks and when multiple. 391 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,600 At the pristine level of his sport is not a Zone 2. 392 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,240 Activity. It's a bad it's a bad argument. 393 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,880 John Daly is in Zone 2 when he gets out of his chair in the 394 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,680 morning. I remember running my first half 395 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,280 marathon, I got passed by an old man with a ponytail with a huge 396 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,760 gut. And so I, you know, there's all 397 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,240 sorts of different shapes and sizes that you see in with 398 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,080 people that are. That are good at playing golf, 399 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,240 are out of shape and overweight. If you're, I mean, if you're 400 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,480 playing leisurely, The thing is, is like if you're, if you're. 401 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,280 In God. If you're into running, you're 402 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,880 running every day when you're playing golf. 403 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,240 It's a great workout. It's a great way to carry 404 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,480 athletics into your 70s and and 80s. 405 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,280 Will you cut them off? Keep going. 406 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:42,920 All right? Yeah. 407 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,360 We, we, we'll move on. I I do land with Clayton here 408 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,960 simple because your arguments about people being overweight 409 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,360 and it not can be considered sport but you were talking about 410 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,480 playing baseball your whole life where you can clearly be 411 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,880 overweight and still be professional. 412 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:03,440 Prince Fielder. I think when I, when I look at 413 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,280 all these sales we die on right in the last however long we 414 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,000 spent talking about things that we actually don't care that much 415 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,160 about, I'm thinking, why do we do that? 416 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,320 I know for me, I I and I've realized this a lot, especially 417 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,480 with the last couple of years. I just love rage baiting people. 418 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,760 You. Absolutely do. 419 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,240 And I will die on hills that I don't remember 5 minutes 420 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,040 afterwards. You'll you'll die on. 421 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,560 You'll die on a hill that you don't even believe yourself in. 422 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,040 An absolutely not. Yeah, but you. 423 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,160 But I. Just want to rage bait. 424 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,480 Yes, like 1,000,000%. So define rage baiting. 425 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,160 And like, I mean, I'm just, you're trying to make someone 426 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,960 else to make you rage. Yeah, right. 427 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,040 So like I'm just saying things to. 428 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,760 Get you going. Get you going and get you to 429 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 jump on it. So I know for me, a lot of my 430 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,360 dumb hills are just me trying to rage bite the people around me 431 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:55,760 and they will change based off that. 432 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,200 What is it for you guys? Like why? 433 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,280 Where does it come from you guys? 434 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,840 Are you guys also the same? Is it something else? 435 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,040 Probably my deep love of being right and winning. 436 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,480 Yeah. So the the lesson, virtuous 437 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,040 approach and what I just said, yeah. 438 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,600 This, this is our. This is our our villain. 439 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,280 Our villain. Coming out of another. 440 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,920 I mean, I think the three of us, one of the reasons that we get 441 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,280 along so well is because we're all three pretty darn stubborn 442 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,200 when it comes to our opinions and thoughts. 443 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,920 Oh yeah. It's amazing that we get along 444 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,840 so well. It, it is. 445 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,680 But it's like we have the important things in common. 446 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,160 Yeah. And we're stubborn on those 447 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,280 things. We're not willing to move. 448 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,200 But when it comes to things that are kind of ancillary, that's 449 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,920 where we just get after it. Like one of my favorite things 450 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,680 is our our mutual friend Will. It wasn't talented enough to be 451 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,520 invited to the podcast, but he he's like the best guy to argue 452 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,840 with because he gets so into it, so into it. 453 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,720 Like you get him going on conspiracy theories and then 454 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,080 poke a hole in that and he gets fired up. 455 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,800 So I think it's just like, I love being right. 456 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,240 I love winning arguments. And so if there's a opportunity 457 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,880 to win, I want to argue it. I think the second thing on a 458 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,000 more serious town is we live in a culture that's afraid to 459 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,200 disagree. And So what we like to do 460 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,240 instead is disagree about things that don't actually matter. 461 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,880 So it's like we will get very fiery with each other and and 462 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,240 even people in culture about kind of meaningless objects. 463 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,840 But when it comes to actually discussing real hard topics that 464 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,320 really need an actual intellectual debate and 465 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,760 conversation around, people don't want to touch touch that 466 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,840 with the 10 foot pole. So I think it's kind of 467 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,480 acquiescing their desire to be able to conflict in 468 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,800 conversation, debate well. Do you have any That's funny. 469 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,560 Well, I just, I, I just think that, you know, I don't a lot of 470 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,720 these hills like for instance, this G1, you know, it's like, 471 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,000 you know, do I kind of think that? 472 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Yeah, I do. I think golf is a is a great 473 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,520 form of, of zone 2 cardio. Do I care about it as much as I 474 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,520 just fought with John Michael about it? 475 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,760 No, not necessarily. But honestly, here's kind of 476 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,800 what I was thinking is I enjoy it's kind of it's like a it's 477 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,880 like a mental exercise of sorts. You know, it, it forces me to 478 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,080 kind of defend a point and you're kind of going back and 479 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,240 forth. There's there's just like I 480 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,240 just, you know, it's a light hearted nature of that. 481 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800 There's probably maybe some more serious hills that I would die 482 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,720 on that I would actually defend when it comes to things like 483 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,120 this. Like I just kind of enjoy the 484 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,720 light hearted banter back and forth and trying to figure out 485 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,920 how I'm going to defend my point because there's a lot of holes 486 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,480 in it. Yeah. 487 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,560 You know. And to that, like I agree with 488 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,840 you, like I I just love a good argument session. 489 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,840 I don't care if I believe what. I'm arguing about right? 490 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,080 But also to your point of like, it does kind of feel like in our 491 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,080 culture, we don't really argue about important things. 492 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,400 And by arguing, I don't mean like maybe debating. 493 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,640 I don't whatever the term is, right? 494 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,760 A lot of people will debate in bad faith, right? 495 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,640 Or just debate to make the other person look Dumber or like, but 496 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,840 no one's actually trying to have conversations. 497 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:09,800 And I, I guess my question is like, is that why these dumb 498 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,640 hills can feel so personal at times? 499 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,760 You know what I mean? And not just for us, but I I 500 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,360 think like in general everyone has dumb hills that they die on, 501 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,720 but it they always get so personal. 502 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,680 I think there's even the meaningless hills still have a 503 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,160 point of identity. Yeah. 504 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,920 So like you guys enjoy golf, you consider yourself a golf first. 505 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,800 Well. Yeah, sorry golf. 506 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,200 Sorry people. Who? 507 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Golf. Yeah, not, not golfers, but 508 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,160 like, even when you have a stupid argument it, it still is 509 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,440 a point of your identity. And so when you feel like your 510 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,800 point is being attacked, you're taking it as somewhat of an 511 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,280 attack. Like I'm being attacked. 512 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,080 Who you are as a person, what you believe, what your values 513 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,160 are, what your culture is, what your tribe is, who you belong 514 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,160 to, what what your family's about, all that kind of stuff. 515 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,880 Like if you're arguing. I used to have heated debates 516 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,720 when I was living in Kansas about Bud Light versus Miller 517 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200 Lite because these people are from the Midwest, Kansas City, 518 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,960 Saint Louis, Chicago, and they were like, I'm from Saint Louis. 519 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,200 My family has been drinking Anheuser Busch products for 50 520 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,280 years. We only drink Bud Light. 521 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,680 Bud Light is the superior beer. They didn't care about Bud 522 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,600 Light. They just cared about the fact 523 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,240 that their family, who they love, that was just what they 524 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:29,880 did. How do you toe the line right? 525 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,080 And I think amongst ourselves, right? 526 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,120 We've been friends for so long that we we all know the line, 527 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,800 right? And we'll like we know when the 528 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760 other person's joking and so we can get away with a couple 529 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,800 things, right? Like if I'm talking to a strange 530 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,560 about golf being in zone 2 workout because they're a 531 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,600 runner, I would never say, you know, smart people play golf and 532 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,720 young people that couldn't make it in any other sports, right? 533 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,280 And so how do you toe the line when you're having these 534 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,760 conversations out in public? An example that I just thought 535 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,160 of was when we were in college, John Michael, we lived with some 536 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,040 guys that were not Catholic. They were Protestant. 537 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,600 And you know, there'd be, you know, we were, we were the 538 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,600 Catholic guys. You know, we kind of had that 539 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,240 identity. Jose, you were a part of that as 540 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,160 well. We had all these friends that 541 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,280 weren't Catholic and we were the Catholic guys, you know, and I 542 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,920 would say, you know, there's, there's was some light hearted 543 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,520 kind of banter at times, you know, back and forth about, I 544 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,000 don't know, just Catholic things or being Catholic. 545 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,040 And we kind of give it back to him about being Protestant or 546 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,200 whatever. But there, there's, there's a 547 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,520 point where things go a little bit too far or you're making 548 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,720 that joke consistently. You know, it's one thing for it 549 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,920 to kind of come up every now and again as a joke, but then every 550 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,880 time something that's meant something's mentioned that's 551 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,240 Catholic, you know, there's, there's jokes that are made 552 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,520 about it. And so for something like golf, 553 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,720 that's a hobby of mine, something that I enjoy, being 554 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,480 Catholic is deeply personal to my identity as a man, you know, 555 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,560 and I'm totally OK with the guys, you know, making some 556 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,720 jokes about it here and there. That's fine, you know, But it's, 557 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,240 you know, I'm not really going to trust you as a person if 558 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,680 that's that becomes the basis of our conversations is like, you 559 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,520 know, this banter back and forth and poking fun at something 560 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,920 that's deeply important to me. I also think there's something 561 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,440 just absolutely hilarious about when people start arguing about 562 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,640 trivial things because it's just like, this is just funny. 563 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,280 Like there is no reason why you actually believe that. 564 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,520 But now we've kind of created this environment where now 565 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,400 everyone's invested in this. Like I think about probably my 566 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,160 favorite podcast we've done was our college football episode 567 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,560 back in fall of 25. I've gotten the most responses 568 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,560 from that. I had a guy the other day text 569 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,480 me and he goes, dude, I just watched the college football 570 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,040 episode. How could, how in the world 571 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520 could you not want Navy in the national championship game? 572 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,120 And he's a Naval Academy graduate. 573 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,000 And he was like, I want to let you know that the entire 574 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,520 military services is going to get this podcast and they're not 575 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,640 going to be defending you. They will not be happy. 576 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,680 God bless our troops. I do support our troops. 577 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,760 Do you support our troops? It's not. 578 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,920 They're football games. That's right. 579 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,600 So it there, there's something about why did everyone like that 580 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,520 episode? Because it was just like, it's 581 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,840 pretty ridiculous, right? I mean, at one point Clayton, 582 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,680 you know, was convinced that I didn't like the movie. 583 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,120 Miracle made-up didn't even. Happen. 584 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,000 You did say. You did say. 585 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,120 That Herb Brooks speech overrated. 586 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,240 Yeah. OK. 587 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,200 So as we close out here, just want to spend some time on what 588 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,920 are some other dumb hills that you would actually defend to the 589 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,200 end. We we're not arguing them, we're 590 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,760 just presenting what the hill is. 591 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,280 I would love to talk about e-mail etiquette. 592 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,000 I am really into e-mail etiquette and there are a few 593 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,880 things that absolutely drive me crazy surrounding e-mail 594 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,840 etiquette and hills that I will die on professionally. 595 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,800 If you are out of office OK and you have an out of office reply 596 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,560 set then you are not allowed to respond to any emails. 597 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,600 Does this ever happen to you? You e-mail someone and then you 598 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,160 get an out of office right back and then 2 seconds later they 599 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,000 e-mail you back and you're like why did you have an out of 600 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,800 office on in the 1st place? Now I have two emails in my 601 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,160 inbox when I should only have one. 602 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,600 Number two, you should never, ever have a picture of yourself 603 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:44,080 in your e-mail signature. Have you seen those I? 604 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,440 Disagree. I think there's probably times 605 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:45,920 when you. Need it. 606 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,920 No, never. Yeah, it's an e-mail. 607 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,760 If I wanted a picture of your face, I would. 608 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,000 Ask at. The recruiting major, OK, 609 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,040 Literally my first thought was like a life insurance agent, you 610 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,280 know, like there's people that are in sales that, you know, 611 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,280 they put their photos at the bottom. 612 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,160 I don't have a problem with that. 613 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,000 But if it's an internal like, I feel like it might be different 614 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,600 if it's internal to an organization. 615 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,520 And and you guys know, what I feel very strongly about is 616 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,440 creative e-mail signatures. You should have them. 617 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,800 We all know at what point you know John Michaels. 618 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,520 In I get 100. I get 150 emails a day. 619 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,280 Maybe 200, maybe 250. Maybe I'm exaggerating, I think. 620 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,600 So 15 you try too hard with your emails, Yeah. 621 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,480 I I've gotten great feedback about my my custom e-mail. 622 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,480 Signature chasing what matters? We don't even know what you're 623 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,280 chasing. I'm chasing what? 624 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600 Matters what matters. So context. 625 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,960 Relativist. Context here to our audience. 626 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 I have a e-mail signature that says chasing what matters. 627 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,520 It's a personal brand and these guys have been roasting me for 628 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,960 years now about my personal e-mail signatures. 629 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,800 Well, then your LinkedIn says what, like let go and let God or 630 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,120 something like that. I think that what's your brand? 631 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,880 What's your brand on LinkedIn? God is on the move. 632 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,960 God is on the move. Didn't they make a movie about 633 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,880 that? God is not dead. 634 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,520 There's a sequel coming out. It's all Michael starring in it. 635 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,920 God is not dead. I. 636 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,640 Think your biggest crime was when you almost you signed off a 637 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,480 Teams message with a prayer, That's when that you cross. 638 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,360 The line and a hashtag. And a hashtag. 639 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,920 We're inside of the prayer, I think. 640 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,800 I think you cooked a little too long in the kitchen. 641 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,240 Let us know in the comments what you think about custom e-mail 642 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,560 signatures. All right, Clayton. 643 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,000 Dumbest till I I. Just like anything. 644 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,280 Yeah. Like for for me, one that just 645 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:42,760 gets me going is I think in it also in our job, we work with 646 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,840 young people. Yeah. 647 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,240 Or younger people when they will avoid picking up the phone. 648 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,640 Yes. Like, just pick up the phone, 649 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,280 you know, or, or, or like I want to give you a job offer. 650 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,560 Yeah. You call them and they text you 651 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,160 the whole time. Yeah, they they will. 652 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,880 Never answer. But they will not answer the 653 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,080 phone. Yep, that's one that I'm like 654 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,280 that I will down the hill just like just pick up the phone. 655 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,240 Is it a nervousness thing? I. 656 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,200 Don't know. Again, we're never. 657 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,720 Remembers, you know, your childhood being afraid to pick 658 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,760 up the phone and going, I don't know, maybe it's like. 659 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,960 AI mean yeah, maybe when I was in like 7th, 8th, maybe 9th 660 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,840 grade. Yeah, I mean that point. 222324. 661 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,800 Yep, mine is everybody should have a full length, you know, 662 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,200 back scratcher cleanser in the shower. 663 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,560 Listen as as someone that's not entirely flexible. 664 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,720 Besides, even though I do play golf, you. 665 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,920 I was. Even though I do play golf. 666 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,840 You said mobility was the key benefit of golf. 667 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,760 It's it's absolutely. So explain the back scratcher. 668 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,680 Well, just like. To put soap on your back. 669 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200 The full length thing, yeah, you put the soap on it and you're 670 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,080 able. To I'm imagining like those that 671 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,560 have like a hand at the end. All I'm saying. 672 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,520 Is that I've never felt more fully cleansed in my life than 673 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,800 having having one of those. So where do you put it? 674 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,040 The the one I bought came with a hanger that you put in the 675 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,639 shower and then you hang it. I think 11 for me. 676 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,199 It's got a soft side and a hard bristles. 677 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,159 Is coffee, there's a certain way that I appreciate coffee and 678 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,080 there's certain ways that I don't. 679 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,719 And if someone doesn't cross my barrier of what I think makes 680 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,840 good coffee, I will for sure. Just I, I, I would prefer to 681 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,800 just not have coffee. I would just be like, oh, I'm 682 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,080 OK. Like milk? 683 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,120 What? What is your barrier? 684 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,960 Is it milk based? And I might, and I'm getting 685 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,080 better at this, but I might also lose a little respect for them. 686 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,679 Wow. So I mean, like, I, I, I like 687 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,920 drip coffee. Black drip coffee. 688 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,639 Yep. But I think a lot of people 689 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,080 naturally, maybe that's how they grew up, maybe just in the 690 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,720 interest of being like, it's easier those like, you know, 691 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,920 when they just a big tub of like Folgers or Kirkland coffee where 692 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,320 it just tastes like black tar and they just like there's no 693 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,160 measurement. I mean, there's no signs in 694 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,080 that, which is OK. You know what I call that? 695 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,440 Coffee. But it's just nasty. 696 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,400 I call it post mass coffee. Like, have you ever had coffee 697 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,440 that you're in a parish is just undrinkable. 698 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,200 I don't know if that's a dumb hell, I don't. 699 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,920 But yeah, I I've gone in many arguments with friends, I've 700 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,600 offended other friends because I will just not, I will bring my 701 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,560 own coffee to your. House I just had the same 702 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,200 argument with our friend Nick. Mr. Mr. Nick, yeah, colleague of 703 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,800 ours. He, he's the cheap coffee guy. 704 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,720 And he was arguing with me because he was like, I, I, I 705 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,280 like making pour overs in the morning. 706 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600 I made Clayton about four of them this morning. 707 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,680 That's why he's been shaking this entire podcast. 708 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,360 But I love really good coffee. And he's like, you shouldn't 709 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,440 drink a nice coffee because it affects your taste and you're 710 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,000 not OK drinking cheap coffee. And I was like exactly. 711 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,760 That's the point. That's. 712 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,920 OK, that is the exact point. He's like, well, that's wrong. 713 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,080 It's like you shouldn't be eating vegetables because it's 714 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,040 going to change your taste buds. You're going to prefer those. 715 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,440 It's a great point over junk. Yeah, we'll send this. 716 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,000 We'll send that one. That's brilliant. 717 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,240 Great. Any other dumb hills? 718 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,840 Gentlemen, no. It it, it is funny because I'm 719 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,040 like, I can't think of any, but I know within the next hour I 720 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,760 will give. Him like 3 different arguments. 721 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,840 We have to edit this episode. About things that I are so dumb 722 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,240 that I don't even believe myself, you know? 723 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,920 One of my favorite arguments that we've had was me explaining 724 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,560 to Clayton why the Whoop is such a great fitness wearable and him 725 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,120 roasting me for it. And then now both of you are 726 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,680 wearing whoops on this podcast. Pull it. 727 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,640 Pull your wrist. We'll save those wrists for 728 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,600 another time. Yeah, audience couldn't handle 729 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,480 it. Modest is hottest. 730 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560 Yeah. And I, I think that's another 731 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,640 thing that we do a lot. We just want to convince each 732 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,320 other of the things that we. 100%. 733 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,560 And we like to be stubborn and not, I mean same thing with the 734 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,920 Owalla, right? With being clean of like I just 735 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,720 roasted him for the Owalla, which by what you don't even OK. 736 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520 The other thing that bothered me about this argument that we had 737 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,840 that I ended up getting in Owalla afterwards is that you 738 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,600 never carry a water bottle with you. 739 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,720 No, he will not till today. For the longest time, anytime I 740 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,280 was around Clayton, yes. He's the guy drinking water. 741 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,200 A sip of water. I'm Thursday. 742 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,800 I need water. Bring. 743 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,640 Your water. Bring your it's 2026, everyone 744 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,880 owns a water bottle. I know I was actually like, do 745 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,080 you own you like? Yeah, I own like 6. 746 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,240 I just don't like to use it. Like to carry it with me? 747 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,240 Do you have your? Do you have your water bottle 748 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,120 with you? I think it left it in your car, 749 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,280 yeah. See, that's what he does too. 750 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,560 He leaves stuff and then he blames it on you because. 751 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,840 They take us home. So most of us aren't actually 752 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,640 fighting over dumb things, we're just trying to feel grounded, 753 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,680 right understood, or in control. Or we're just simply trying to 754 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,720 have some fun painting it with our friends. 755 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,960 Learning which hills matter and which don't is for sure part of 756 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,040 growing up and, and, and learning to laugh at yourself 757 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,360 through that. But if this episode made you 758 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,240 think of someone who would absolutely die on a ridiculous 759 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,360 hill, please share it with them and share with us what that hill 760 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,400 is, because I love to argue with you about it. 761 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,680 Make sure you're following Subscribe. 762 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,480 Like this video. This is the All In podcast and 763 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,520 we'll see you next week.