Certainly sounds peaceful in theory, but in practice it can
be often confusing and even sometimes terrifying.
Today we want to talk about control, expectations, and what
actually happens when you stop gripping outcome so tightly and
let go and let gone. Let Jesus take the wheel.
There you will. This is the All In podcast, and
today we're going to talk about surrender.
All right, when I say surrender, what's the first thing that
comes to your mind? I surrender.
See, for me, and maybe it's because my wife and I were
listening to Hamilton recently, it's a battle of Yorktown when
the British surrender the. American Forces World War 2.
Surrender hardly know her. Joe, Michael, one way.
What's the first thing that comes up?
What do you think of surrender? Honestly, probably just when I
when I wrestle my boys and I put in my headlock and they start
screaming and. Surrendered.
They start tapping. And then I just kind of squeeze
in even harder, you know that? Or have you ever?
Did you guys ever read Diary of a Wimpy Kid?
No, I was a big Captain Underpants, which is like, I
think the same. The same brand of kind of
comedic. It's the same.
Middle school boy humor. The covers of the books look the
same. That's not as much as I know.
Hey, how are your aunt books going these days?
My aunt books are going great. I started a book recently on
Audible and I think the most crucial part of this that you
guys seem to forget about was that it was three books in for
one credit, which is why I decided to take a chance.
Three in one. Yeah, OK, Called Chrysalis.
I'm a little bit into the first one.
It's a little weird. Would you rather buy three Ant
books with one credit or one good book with one credit?
OK, define good book, because I don't think you've read a good
book in your life. Clean.
All right. Take that, take that Clayton
nerd. If you're wondering what that
was about, Clay and I go back and forth because I, I love to
read. We both like to read.
I would say a lot. I don't think I've ever I, I
don't in the last two years I've read maybe 60-70 books and
they've all, not a single one of them has taken place in this
reality or have anything to do the things that actually that
was. One of your best lines.
Not a single one of them has. Taken place in this reality.
I think the closest I've gotten to like nonfiction has been you
ever heard of the terminalist? It's like about AC, not CIA Navy
SEAL that like goes rogue and like taking that conspiracies
there. There's no.
It comes a serial. Killer.
There's no. Yes.
It you're only serial. Terminalist is a list of people
that he's killing. OK, but are you serial killer if
you're pursuing justice? Doesn't every murderer think
they're doing something just. I don't know, have you, have you
read the book or watch the series?
I read, I read like one of the books.
It was very violent. It is very.
I think he recommended it to me, yeah.
It's really, it's really good, it's violent, it's written by
Navy SEAL, so he knows a lot of what he's talking about.
But at the spoilers at the end of the book, I think people
realize that he was one of the good guys because he was taking
down people that were causing a lot of evil in the world.
So. I would say it's a book more
about vengeance than justice. Sometimes they can go
intertwined, but yeah I would agree with all that to say.
That's the closest non fiction I've ever got.
Closest. Where's that?
A Navy SEAL is over here reading about the power of silence.
Oh man. I love that movie.
So that that that's why we go back and forth about the books
that we read. So yeah, I am reading a book
right now about a guy that dies and wakes up in the body of an
Ant. We'll see where it goes.
I don't know if I'll make it through the whole audio.
Marvel movie. Is it Ant man quant mania
anyways? Where are we right now?
Surrender. I think when I think of
surrender, honestly, the first thing that comes to mind is
giving up. You know, yeah.
And, and I think it's kind of funny because that I, I feel
like maybe I don't know if it's a secular versus a Catholic
thing or what it might be, but it's like when I, the first
thing comes to mind when I think surrender, I think is giving up.
But when I practice surrender, I never think I'm giving up.
Does that make sense to you? Yeah.
So walk me through that. Yeah, I, I think, well, I mean,
we just named a lot of things that we think of when we think
of the word surrender. But in my life when I think of
surrendering things to God, I'm not giving up by any means.
I'm simply saying like, Lord, I trust you in this.
Now there's, there's a lot there, you know, and I could
process that for a while, but I think at least that's like the
base of my thought process. When I'm saying things to God,
I'm not saying I give up on this.
I'm saying, Lord, I, I trust you and I and I need you here.
Whenever I'm struggling through something in the moment and I
make a prayer saying like, Lord, I surrender this to you.
Whether it's lust, whether it's whatever else you know, it's not
saying Lord, I give up or Lord fix it for me.
It's saying like, Lord, I trust you in this and I need you right
now. It's more of a a surrendering of
the outcome than a surrendering of your of the process.
You're like willing. Well, I don't know what would
you say? You get what I'm saying?
Do any of your books have anything to say about this?
Yeah, I guess I, what I'm hearing you say is that in a, in
a more, I guess, you know, secular way, you would think of
surrender. As you know, you surrender in a
battle, you lay down your guns, you give up, you lost, game over
forfeit, you forfeited. You know, you know, you're
you're losing something. Where is what we're.
I think what we're saying is that there's a type of surrender
that you know, you can still pursue the end and pursue the
goal, but you're, you're more surrendered to what the, what
the outcome is and trusting that you know any, that any outcome
is going to be within the will of God.
Right, Yeah. I mean, I think you mentioned
the word control. I think control and surrender
have to be used to to help us distinguish what true surrender
is. Because I think in the in the
Catholic sense, in the Christian sense, in the in the Catholic
worldview, surrender is, is about lack of control and giving
up of control. And I think that is why for us,
it feels like, as you mentioned, Jose taking an L because for us
as men, when we say, I'm letting go of control, we feel exposed,
we feel quite vulnerable. And when we feel vulnerable, we
feel like we're losing because we no longer have control of our
ability to win in that activity or in that circumstance.
And I, I think the lie is that surrender is giving up and that
letting go is, is lowering the standards, lowering the quality
of life, especially for dudes, you know, who are, who are kind
of hard wired to be active and to fix and to gain and to
accomplish and push forward. How do you guys think you you
learned that lesson in a way? There was maybe a more pointed
question is, was there a time in your life where you really tried
very hard to control something that still didn't go the way
that you planned, and how did it go?
Junior year of high school, you weren't surrendering.
Anything in high school? Surrendered to the fact that you
didn't make the basketball team. Junior year of high school.
The pins coming out get ready. The pin is out.
Let. Me tell you let me tell you
about the greatest zone 2 cardio sport that exists on this
planet, which is golf and I was playing around a golf with my
dad as a practice round and the on the on the front 9 I shot.
You said practice round, You mean like it wasn't tournament
or like you were? Was it a?
Warm up for a tournament. Yeah, it was like I was going to
play this course within the next week or so.
So it was a practice round. But anyways, on the on on the on
the back 9, I had three birdies in a row, OK.
I had put three wedge shots within like 2 feet of the hole,
just like tap in birdies. And all of a sudden I looked up
and I was it was a, it was a par 70 course.
All of a sudden I looked up, I've got four holes to go and
I'm three under par. And let me tell you, I've never
I've, I've, I am not that good at golf these days.
I'm I'm a. Probably.
What's your handicap at now? Didn't.
You shoot APR recently. I did.
I shot a 73 a couple months ago, which was the best round since
the one I'm telling you about right now.
And all of a sudden I looked up and you know when you're when
you're playing a really great round of golf.
I wouldn't know anything. Like what we know about.
Yeah, you get into this kind of like free flow state and, you
know, you're not really, you're not keeping track of your score
normally. You start getting in your head
and you're like, OK, you know, I, I, I, I double bug you that
hole. And so if I want to shoot this
score at the end of it, and that means I need to do this on the
next hole. And you start trying to control
the outcome with with every single shot.
When you're playing a really great round of golf, Tiger Woods
is known as this where he finishes hole 18.
He doesn't even know he's done. It was caddy has to like stop
him from trying to walk to the next hole.
He did. It's just he's so in the zone on
every single shot that he's kind of unaware of of where he is.
And I remember it was all of a sudden I, I had three birdies in
the round. I hadn't even thought about my
score up until that point. And I looked, I was like, I
wonder what I'm at right now. And I start looking.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm three under par with four holes to go.
I'm about to shoot the greatest round of my life right now and I
finished bogey, bogey, double bogey, bogey.
And I remember a bogey 15-A, bogey 16.
I still remember hole 17. It was a 280 yard par 4, bunker
on the left, bunker on the right.
And I was like, OK, well, I just want bogey, bogey.
So I need to do something crazy here.
I'm going to take out my my driver and go for the green.
I ended up, you know, slicing it a little bit to where I was in
the far right side of the right green side bunker plugged, which
is when your your ball is kind of buried in the sand, which is
the worst possible outcome because now I have a 30 yard
bunker shot. Anyways, there's a lot of
details going on here, but you know, I finished that round of
shot a 71, which was my greatest round I've ever shot.
But I was 4 over in the last three holes after after playing
really well. And I think back to that moment
a lot. And honestly, golf is a really
great example of kind of what it means to surrender because you,
you start taking these, you know, every single hole is
another step and every single step that you take, you start
thinking about, you know, what have I done?
What do I need to correct? You know, and you start getting
into, start getting into your head and you start gripping
really tight on the golf clubs and trying to trying to control
the outcome at the end of the round.
And the only thing that you can do, you can't control the lie
that you have. You can't, you can't control the
wind, you can't control the bounce.
The only thing that you can do is execute on on each shot.
And so that's that's, that's a sporting example, I guess of you
know what my experience, I think on the golf course of what
surrender is what? Was your question I think for
the first. I think for the first time golf
actually seems attractive to me now after that explanation.
This story told remind me of two things.
One of them is quick is you called me a couple months ago
and you said I just shot my new PR.
What was it 737373 and I was like 2.
That's awesome. How'd it go like?
Well, it was a scramble it. Was not a scramble.
Good. Thing you remind me of is our
buddy Jorge. Yeah.
I don't know this story of what actually happened, but his his
dad just knows he is the choker from golf.
You're kidding. No, yeah.
Does he call you that? Well, yeah, he does.
It's like it's like in. It's fun.
It's like endearing everything.
But I just remember because I I think in the golf, the post
college, I didn't really know what any of this meant.
Think about it now I'm like, yeah, this makes sense.
Like I don't even know if I have if I'll ever be good enough to
choke something away like that. But for a while, Jorge's dad,
when you talk about Clayton, he'd be like, you know the guy.
He's. Like, oh.
What happened? Well, you guys in A2 band?
Jorge is better. He's a better golfer than me.
And you know, there, there's a lot of people are better golfers
than me. But you know, it's one of those
things where it's just like basketball for me.
I either have it or I don't, you know, I'm streaky.
And so there's one particular round where I was playing with
Jorge and a few other friends of ours and I was, I was playing
lights out where I could have shot another, you know, 73 or 72
or something like that. And I ended up, you know, on the
last three or four holes or so like going 6 over and losing the
Jorge by by one shot. And that's sadly happened a few
times. Is the legendary golf trip the
annual legendary golf trip that I've never been invited to?
Is that happening soon? Is that happening again this
year? Is it putting on pause?
Where you all going this year? Well, so there's 2G trips now.
Oh yeah, yeah. No.
Is there a split or? Is it mutiny more of justice?
There's the the nice golf trip that Clayton and I are not
invited to. Well, I went on invited once.
Well, I was, I went last year. I've been invited every year.
Sorry, I was saying well. No, no.
Just to clarify. I was told that you could be
invited, but you might want to start saving now and get a
little better golf. Wow, Geez.
Well, the problem with The thing is, is that they play a lot of
really nice golf courses and, you know, they have this whole
PowerPoint presentation of where they're going to stay and, you
know, playing golf and it's like it's an extremely expensive trip
to go on and it's like, I can't do that, you know.
And so there was, you know, the, the live tour rose up here and,
and we and we or, you know, the European Tour nationwide TP
world tour, TP world tour, and we started a a cheaper golf
trip. Oh, that's great.
The Budget Cup is what it's. Called.
Oh, that's. Brilliant You you no course we
play will will cost more than $40.
Yeah. And is it close to people?
So it's, it's not like we're all flying somewhere.
It's like. Well, the, the, the first one,
the initial 1 is going to be in Baton Rouge where a lot of
people live. So some people are going to have
to fly in, but most people. 10-15 guys.
I don't know, let's. See, I think, I think, you know,
we originally started somewhere around like 20 dudes.
Yeah. And then some people are are
probably not going to. Be if you all make merch I would
absolutely buy a budget cut back like I would.
Absolutely. This other golf trip got
sponsored by Mizzen in Maine. So you can see, you know,
there's, there's one world of golf.
Trips the the mizzen in Maine and then you got the echo.
Unlimited risk. Sponsored by Reebok.
I don't, I don't even think they would seek to our level.
What are we talking about? We're talking about.
Surrender. You guys surrendered to the
bigger the bigger golf tournament.
And why? When did we learn that lesson of
like, Surrender doesn't mean losing?
I'm wondering if, yeah, just the the crazy part about surrender
is that typically the reason you have to surrender is because
outside circumstances have happened to you that you can't
control. Like if you if you could have
controlled them, you would have. But I'm just thinking about, we
have, we have a great friend who just had an frankly miraculous
cancer surgery and he was diagnosed with cancer.
They, they thought the tumor had been in there for about 10
years, which is just wild that you could live with, with cancer
for 10 years and have no idea. And, and, and you know, we've
gotten to watch him take that news on.
He's the father of a large family and that the burden that
that is. And you're just like, that's a
moment you have to surrender because you have outside
circumstances that are weighing down on you.
And so a prerequisite to surrender is you can't control
what just happened to you. Because frankly, if, if you, if
you could have controlled it, you probably wouldn't have been
in a space where you needed to surrender.
And so I just think in, in, you know, in my life, there's been
so many moments of that. I think there's, there's the
natural moments of fatherhood, but I also just think there's
the natural moments of, of even as a child, you know, I've
talked before about how my brother was, was severely
disabled and has been in a wheelchair his entire life and
non verbal and, and basically in a kind of vegetative coma like
state. And I remember as a kid I was, I
was really upset by that frequently.
The, the thing I was upset the most with, as as trivial as it
sounds, was that we could never go out to dinner as a family
because my brother's wheelchair was difficult to navigate
through the restaurant. And then he doesn't do well in,
in large groups of people in loud spaces.
I just remember being so mad. Like, why can't we go to L
Phoenix like everybody else? Like, why can't we just go to
Outback Steakhouse like all my buddies and get the, get the
blooming onion. And, and as I got older, the
frustration turned into an acceptance of my reality.
And if you, if you had to, to define surrender, maybe that
would be a way that we could do it for people is that surrender
is a acceptance of, you know what?
Here I am, here's what's happening to me.
I, I accept. I'm willing to accept it.
It's going to happen to me regardless.
And so I can either surrender to that reality and receive it or I
can continue to fight back against it.
You know, I, I think of surrender is like, you ever do
those little Chinese paper traps when you're a kid.
Yeah. Put two fingers.
In. Yeah, Chinese handcuffs, put
your fingers in if you, if you try to, if you try, I'm stuck.
I'm stuck. You can't get them out.
But when you relax your fingers that you're able to, to pull it
out just fine. And I think that's where we sit
a lot of times with God is that, you know, we're, we're fighting
back. We're fighting back, we're
fighting back. And then the moment that we take
a second to just say, OK, I'm, I'm, I'm done.
I surrender, I'm dropping the rope, I'm with you.
That those are the moments where all of a sudden you just feel so
much better about what's happening to you.
Yeah. I, I, I agree with everything
you said, but I would add that yes, like when they're external
things that are outside of our control, that's probably when
it's maybe easiest or when it's in the forefront of our mind
that the need to surrender, but it's not the only time to
surrender, right? Give me some others.
Like, I mean, I'm thinking right now like as my wife and I are
planning like the next couple years for a family of like
there, there's nothing external that's like controlling that we
don't have control over. We we do have control over a lot
of the things going on in our family, but we're still
surrendering that to God. So just say like you closed.
I think perfectly of like it's saying, Lord, I want you to be
in control over me. I understand that I still have a
role to play in this. I'm not going to like check out
by any means, right. And it's kind of a couple of
since ago I quoted St. Augustine of right love God and
do what you will. But the second part of that
quote of for the soul trained in love to God will do nothing to
offend the one who is beloved. So it's kind of the same thing
of like, Lord, I know that I have a role to play in this.
Like there's still things that I have to control over.
I'm surrendering to you the overall outcome and I'm not
checking out because again, like I'm still praying.
I'm still like wanting to be in community with God.
I'm still my my soul is in training and hopefully trained
to love God with everything. So I know that that's what that
means, right? I think it can be dangerous for
someone. Maybe that's still new to this
idea of surrender, that OK, well, if I'm surrendering to
God, the outcome of my family, it means that I no longer care.
You know what I mean? Or I'm not willing to.
Work to enter into or work hard, yeah.
It makes me sorry. We're going to keep going.
No, it it just again, you know, he keeps coming back up and back
up. But Nick Saban, I can't help but
think of him, you know, and that that visual of the the what do
you call them? Chinese handcuffs?
Is that what they're called? You know, it makes I don't know
if. That's what they're actually
called Chinese. Finger traps.
I that's what I called them. And then Jose said handcuffs.
Yeah, I don't know. But it gives you that image kind
of gives me the sense of like, OK, you just got it like, like,
relax. And if you just like relax, you
know that, then that's surrender.
And that's that's totally true. But at the same time, I'm
thinking about Nick Saban's pregame speech before they play
Georgia in the national championship.
And it's an incredible, you know, one minute long video.
But you know, one of the things that he talks about in there is
just, you know, do your job in the discipline to execute.
You know, he's all about process, process over outcomes.
You know, he talks about, you know, Alabama, you know, Alabama
football team playing with such like a violent energy almost,
you know, and you know, Nick Saban, would you I don't know if
you'd like. He's not someone that you'd say
that's a surrendered guy right there because he he wants to win
so bad, but he is also so committed to the process that
that's that is the most important thing.
I think what we're saying here is like, it's OK to want to win
really bad. It is OK to want to win really
bad, you know, but are you more attached to the outcome than you
are the disciplined ex? Yeah, you know, and, and the
process and the and the and the change that happens over time,
you know, rather than just the outcome that you want.
Yeah, that's, it's so nuanced because what we're not saying is
that we want men to just look out for a participation trophy
in life, right? But we also don't want them to
be, to have their destination as, as winning.
And what's crazy about Saban is like his destination was
winning, but he motivated through the process to get
there. I'm, I'm thinking back, you
know, I actually just wrote a LinkedIn post about this, about
Nick, Nick Saban's book. You're not allowed to shout out
your own. LinkedIn it's it's.
My personal brand, but I wrote about I wrote about the book
that you recommended, The Leadership Secrets of Nix did.
You shout me out in the post. I did.
OK, great. All right, we're good.
Continue. I tagged Clay Caldwell and then
I did not tag Jose, but but my favorite part of the book is
when they're talking about when they lost to Louisiana Monroe in
his first first season or something like that.
I don't know. If it was the first.
Game. It was one of his first, yeah.
It was his first season, 07. And and how he committed to
himself. We will never take a cupcake
opponent. Lightly.
Lightly ever again. And so he there's all these
scenes of him beating Sanford University, a small Baptist
school, 56 to 0 and in the fourth quarter he's chewing out
his first team lineman or they're blowing out Savannah
State 73 to 2 and he's chewing out his quarterback for taking a
three-step drop instead of a five step drop.
And so the, the connection there is to be obsessed with the
process, so that when you're obsessed with the process that
the outcome comes naturally. And that's what he was creating
his players. And, and I think that's what
what we can create when we surrender to the outcome, but we
still become obsessed with the process as well.
So that it's not a passive act to surrender, but it's actually
one that takes action. Man, maybe it's about time I I
give a nonfiction. I don't know.
Well, The thing is is. There's no magic in it.
No. You love.
Good stories, Jose.
Yeah, I do love. A good story and you know, and
you get there's so many great non fiction, amazing stories.
You're right. No, you're right.
And, and Nick Saban is a great story, maybe a little track.
There's no, there's no magic. There's no space exploration.
You know. OK, I I want to talk a little
about the practicality of surrender.
What does it actually look like for you guys to practically
surrender things? Not not counting my score on the
golf course. I write the down things I
struggle with on a piece of paper and put them in the fire.
I do that all the time. Everyday.
Multiple times a day before, before and after every meal.
I think it's as simple as I guess just one of the thoughts
that that came into my mind was like a repetitive prayer that
you can say to yourself. I mean, the surrender novena is
really popular and, and amazing Novena where you know, it's OK
to not feel the thing that you want to will, I guess, if that
makes sense. You know, like, like for
instance, I want to, I want to be able to surrender and I'm
really attached to the outcome and I'm going to go to prayer
and I'm going to say to God, God, I surrender this.
But I don't feel that in my heart.
You know what I mean? And nothing changes.
Yeah, like. Nothing changes, but as long I
can go to God and say God, I I want to want to surrender, but I
don't really want it right now, you know.
And so one of my first thoughts was just, yeah, is there, is
there, is there, you know, a short is the surrender Novena,
something that you want to make a part of your life or just a
short, you know, Psalm or word from Scripture that you can
repeat to yourself. Or maybe, you know, you don't
believe it right now and you don't want to believe it, but
you want to want to believe it, you know?
Yeah. I because I'm thinking of like
so much what you're saying of. It's not just that I don't even
want to. I get frustrated when I
surrender things and then nothing changes, right?
It took a lot for me to be get to the point where I'm like,
Lord, I surrender this to you, right?
And then I'm like, well, why are you not?
Why is magic Jesus not coming out?
I'm like fixing things for me, you know, but I think, and I
don't know if this is kind of what you're saying to one of the
greatest things that came about for me practicing surrender.
And it came slowly at 1st and over time, I got better at
surrendering things over and over again.
It just created this habit of like, well, now I'm just always
like, I made a thing every morning and every night before
bed, I would just say like, Lord, I surrender the things of
this day or the things that have happened.
And usually I try to go specifics to you.
And it's created this habit of I'm constantly thinking about
who's in control of things. Again, it doesn't, it still
doesn't change anything just by having that thought, but it does
help me center myself a little bit because now I'm constantly
thinking of like, oh, I need to turn this to God.
I need to turn this to God. And again, it doesn't change the
outcome, doesn't mean that I'm no longer going to be trying.
Doesn't mean that I'm not going to put any effort.
But it has helped me to just consider myself in, in, in the
right place, which is as a subject under God's will, right?
And not trying to take everything that I could do.
Does that make sense? That kind of what you're saying
too, of like just the habit that it breeds of being able to
detach a little bit and attach myself to God a little more.
I've, I've been through different seasons of this in my
life. I'm, I'm not doing it currently,
although it would, it would maybe this is, would be a good
impetus to get back on it. But I know when we were in
college, Clayton, we would frequently end our nights
together with the smoke. And then we would put, we would
pray night prayer together and, and for those who who may not be
Catholic or may not be familiar at night prayers, basically just
a way to end the day with, with kind of certain wrote prayers
that you read through sometimes in a group.
You can do it individually and any kind of goes through like 4
movements of the prayer. So the first is, is to just look
back at the day, what we call an examination.
The second is the act of contrition where you're saying,
hey, God, I'm sorry, messed up today.
I've reflected on what I've done.
I messed up in these ways. I'd like for the grace to do it
better tomorrow. And then you read what's called
the Canticle of Simeon, which is just a a certain part of the
Bible that you read together. And in night prayer you always
say, Lord, now let your servant go in peace.
Your word has been fulfilled. My own eyes have seen the
salvation which you have prepared in the sight of every
people. And I think what what the reason
you do that every night is. It's a moment of surrender,
right? Jesus, your word to me has been
fulfilled. Today I give it all to you.
I'm going to depart, I'm going to go in peace.
I can't do anymore. And and so I just entrusted to.
And so a practicality of surrender for people could be
maybe you involve some night prayer in your day to take the
opportunity to practice surrendering the little things
so that in the moments of surrendering large things in
your life that that muscle has been worked out appropriately.
So it's ready to go when it's placed under tension of your
life. Yeah, now I would add too for
for our listeners to that maybe just getting into this idea of
surrender or maybe want to get back into it of don't get
discouraged just because he surrender something and it
doesn't go away. Right.
When it comes to these big things too, whether it's
anxiety, whether it's you know something you struggle with,
whether whatever it may be, don't get discouraged when you
when even if you surrender often, like multiple times a
day, and it still doesn't go away because that again, that's
not the point. The point is to continue to
connect with God, right? And to allow God to have control
of your life. So just to summarize, surrender
is not the absence of effort, right?
Surrender doesn't mean taking an L Surrender doesn't mean choking
at golf. It's a decision to stop letting
the outcomes, determining our inner peace, right?
The decision to stop letting, it's a decision to allow God to
be in control instead of ourselves.
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