1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,560 So here's the thing, a lot of guys are not afraid to choose 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,400 the wrong thing. They're afraid of missing the 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,360 one thing that will make them truly happy. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,400 They think that is their calling. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,200 But what we are here at the All In Podcast to talk about today 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,720 is what happens if you don't know you're calling? 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,080 What happens if you're worried that the thing you're about to 8 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:23,160 choose isn't the thing that you are being called to. 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,640 We are going to dive into all of that here today at the All In 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,960 Podcast. Don't go anywhere. 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,000 All right, gentlemen, welcome back. 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,640 Good to have everybody here. It's good to be here, Little. 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,960 Nuts around here. There you go. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,320 So we're here, we're talking about calling. 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,280 What is your calling in life? And, and for many guys who are 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,880 afraid of, of the reality of missing their calling, I think 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,319 sometimes we we put on an additional weight on our 18 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,160 shoulders to choose the right thing. 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,760 But sometimes that's not necessary in certain decisions. 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,080 So what are sometimes in y'all's lives that you feel like the 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,080 decision felt way heavier or more important than it actually 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,960 was? I am notorious for being 23 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:28,480 indecisive because anything will give me paralysis because I'm 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,600 I'm thinking ahead of like, how is everything? 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,720 This morning I didn't have time to to drink any coffee. 26 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,080 We stopped at a gas station to pick up a little caffeine. 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,880 If we went in time crunch, I could have spent 10 minutes 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,120 thinking about which energy drink is going to allow me to 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,640 have the best day and is going to lead to fulfillment. 30 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Which energy drink am I being called to? 31 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,600 Yeah, which a white monster for the most part, you know, but 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,600 that like that's the level of ball that I'm playing on a daily 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,680 basis is just getting stuck in the smallest things in drama, 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,440 like dramatizing them into thinking that they're the most 35 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:14,720 important things of all time on a more like to what you're 36 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,920 actually asking. I think one of the heaviest 37 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,600 decisions that in or in the time of heaviest decisions I made. 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,400 But looking back, I'm like, that doesn't really like I don't know 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:34,280 if it would have had any sort of impact on anything was when I 40 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:40,920 was deciding on my 5th year A&M. It was a lot of like, well, I 41 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:44,520 could do summer classes and like graduate in August or I could 42 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,840 take classes in the fall and pack myself with like 15 hours 43 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,720 or spent my months 2 semesters. And it I mean, I went back and 44 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,040 forth for months and I thought that if I didn't do the right 45 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,240 thing, it was going to lead to me not finding the right job to 46 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,880 me not finding the right spouse to me potentially going to 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,720 heaven or hell. Like I thought everything. 48 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,520 Is very cool. Like the the I was just so I 49 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,080 couldn't think about anything else. 50 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,760 But on did I want to do a fifth year or not and to what extent? 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,960 So it wasn't I didn't have to do the calling, but I made it have 52 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,880 to do about a call. You know Clayton, what about 53 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,800 you? What you're describing, Jose, 54 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,120 is, is the cross of the melancholic soul. 55 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,760 So Michael can relate. He's married to a melancholic. 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,560 I have a Group, A group. Called the The Married to 57 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,560 melancholic support. Group it is, it's, it's brutal 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,640 because I'm, I'm the I'm the exact same way as you, which is 59 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,880 just that every single, you know, every single decision, big 60 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:52,640 or small, I just Mull over and over and over and over and it, 61 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,440 you know, it gives me anxiety. Like what if I choose the wrong 62 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,760 thing? And you know, what are the 63 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,960 repercussions of this going to be? 64 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,040 Or just like thinking about my life and what this and what this 65 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,320 and what this And so it took me. Two weeks to decide how much RAM 66 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,200 I wanted my laptop to, you know, I. 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Can relate to that. We have a good friend, Jonathan, 68 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,160 and you know, we do the, we do the same thing where it's like 69 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,560 even, you know, I've talked about my task manager To Do List 70 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,079 on here before. And you know, him and I talk 71 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:23,240 about all the time about how, you know, when we're making a 72 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,920 purchase, it's like we'll have three options. 73 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,480 You know, whether it's, you know, downloading one app versus 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,800 another or which water bottle am I going to get? 75 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,400 You know, and I go through hundreds of reviews trying to 76 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,560 decide, you know, which one of these things is going to be the 77 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,000 best possible thing that that I could buy. 78 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,680 And it's just like, dude, it's a, it's a water bottle. 79 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,200 It's the one I. Have is antimicrobial. 80 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,080 Going through different colors of the Wallace until I blame it 81 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,200 on this. One you tried every single straw 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:54,480 in. The store, I held them all 83 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,440 against my hand, seeing how they would go with my skin tone, you 84 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,680 know? Up against my clothes. 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,000 Which one would look better with my black backpack, you know? 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,600 You know who's not like this? Jean, Michael. 87 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:08,720 Nope. I think about decisions two 88 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,160 weeks after I make them. That's exactly right. 89 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,000 That's how I've lived my life and, and to be honest, when, 90 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,680 when I'm with people and I'm, I swear, I'm not talking about 91 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,920 y'all. Just to be clear, other people 92 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,680 who are just, I don't know what to do. 93 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,640 I'm just like, just just do something. 94 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,200 And then if you made the wrong decision, you can just correct 95 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,720 it and go back. But I think the, the action 96 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,360 oriented side of me, that is a gift at times. 97 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,720 I've also made a lot of poor decisions because I've jumped 98 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,640 into something without actually thinking it through. 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,760 I'm wondering if if for men and and maybe for for ladies as 100 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:50,560 well, is the fear of missing their calling more of a fear of 101 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,280 missing out? Or is it a prudence of choosing 102 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,240 the right thing? Is it I want to take more time? 103 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,080 This is so important. I really want to make the right 104 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,240 decision here. Or is it let? 105 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,120 Is it more I'm I have a paralysis of decision because 106 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,480 I'm afraid I'm going to choose the wrong thing? 107 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Well, I think, you know, it can't, it can, it can be, it can 108 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,000 be both. I mean, honestly, I could, I 109 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,440 could stand to be a little bit more like you and you could 110 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,120 stand to be probably a little bit more like me in situations, 111 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,240 you know. And so I would say up to a 112 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,720 certain point, you know, there's a healthiness and yeah, sitting 113 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,640 back and evaluating decisions from perhaps a practical 114 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,920 standpoint, and then also evaluating decisions from a 115 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,800 prayerful standpoint as well. But then when you at some point 116 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,960 you got to make a decision and there's, I don't necessarily 117 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,720 know where that line in the sand is, but my tendency is to go 118 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,320 over that line. And once you go over that line, 119 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,840 then you're, you know, valuations of your decisions 120 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:59,760 become more motivated by fear than they do about prudence, I 121 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,960 would say. Do you think that the idea of a 122 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,480 calling people think of as like this one specific Rd. 123 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,360 That I need to go down and so that maybe stresses them out is 124 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,800 like, all right, there's six different ways to get to that 125 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,680 destination, but my calling has to only be one of those things. 126 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,480 Yeah, I, I would say so. I think I know, at least in my 127 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,760 own life, most of the times where I'm afraid to make a 128 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,920 decision to paralyze is because I forget that there are many 129 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,760 different ways to get to that point in time and space, 130 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,520 whatever you want to call it. And yeah, I think we could all 131 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,800 use that reminder more often. I know whenever I am reminded of 132 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,760 that by my friends, people like you, John Michael, that's OK. 133 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,240 There's a lot of ways to get there. 134 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,440 Like it's OK. I think that's when it's like, 135 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,240 oh, you're right. And this decision, maybe it's 136 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,360 still a big decision, don't get me wrong, but it's, it's a lot 137 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,960 easier to take and be like, OK, if I make a mistake, it's going 138 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,880 to be OK because there's 15,000,000 different roads that 139 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,440 are going to lead to the same destination. 140 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,560 But I've convinced myself that there is each of the six options 141 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,200 in front of me each lead to complete opposite directions and 142 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,320 there's no crossover. And that's why I get paralyzed. 143 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,840 Is that I'm wondering too for, for people? 144 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,840 Is it that when like, let's say you're making a decision on a 145 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,200 job, right? We're all we're all at a point 146 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,080 of our lives where, you know, we've either made decisions for 147 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,200 job and career or we're kind of in that stage of our life where 148 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,120 we're kind of looking ahead and thinking about that. 149 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,360 And there's so many different factors, right? 150 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,159 There's there's pay, there's city, there's lifestyle, is it 151 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:42,000 remote? Is it not? 152 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,320 There's Co workers, there's leadership structures, there's 153 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,480 industry. Am I going to like that 154 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:47,240 industry? Am I not? 155 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,920 So when you're making a decision like a job, you have 16 156 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,520 different factors that you're looking at. 157 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,440 And what's the compensation package? 158 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,400 And do they send me a laptop and all these things? 159 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:02,240 And I'm wondering if maybe some of that paralysis is instead of 160 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:07,680 focusing on three key objectives in that 16, that 16 item list of 161 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,280 things that you want, you're, you're trying to find that 162 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,160 perfect one that checks every single box for your lifestyle, 163 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,120 for your compensation, for your city, for your time. 164 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,680 And I'm wondering if when you lack that high of a level of 165 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:25,040 clarity, if that's what trips people up. 166 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,160 They want to know. I want to see everything on 167 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,320 paper before I make a decision, and I'm curious if that's ever 168 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,120 even possible to know how that's going to work out for you before 169 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:43,480 you jump into it. I mean, I can, I can relate to 170 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,560 that just because I think that, you know, a lot of my decisions, 171 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,920 there's like a compulsive need for security. 172 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,240 You know, there's like a fear that, you know, a decision that 173 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,400 I make is going to lead to some form of, of insecurity in, in my 174 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,640 life. And so before I take a, a step 175 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,200 in something, a step in a direction towards something, I 176 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,040 want to know that I'm going to land and become and be 177 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,160 completely fine. And that's just not the reality 178 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,920 of our life here on this earth, You know, in our exile on this 179 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,480 pilgrimage is that, you know, we have to, we have to put 1 foot 180 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,440 in front of the other and, and, and sometimes not really see the 181 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,680 full picture all of the time and just trust that that God is 182 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,160 going to provide for us. And that's something that I 183 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,800 think that, you know, I need to grow in day by day. 184 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,720 Absolutely. It's funny, I, I feel like as 185 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,680 I'm sitting here, it lasts however long we've been talking. 186 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,640 I'm like, yeah, I definitely get like that when it comes to small 187 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,280 decisions. Like when it comes to like, what 188 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,800 color is my water bottle going to be? 189 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,080 I, I will sit for, I could sit for hours trying to decide like 190 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,400 when my wife's like, Hey, what do you want to go eat for a date 191 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,560 night? Like that is one of the hardest 192 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:59,360 questions you can ever ask me. But when it comes to like big 193 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,520 decisions, I'm a lot more like you in that sense where I'm 194 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,800 like, I, I think there's a point for me where it crosses like 195 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,640 there's too many variables. Whereas now I'm just going to go 196 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,360 with my gut and hope for the best. 197 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,800 And live with the consequences. It but when it comes to like 198 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,080 less variables, I want to examine every single variable 199 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:23,480 like on their microscope where I'm just like, yeah, I don't 200 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,640 know because I keep going back and forth. 201 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,520 When it comes to my fifth year A and MI knew it wasn't that big 202 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,800 of a deal maybe and that's why I've molded over so much that it 203 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,320 became a big deal. But when it comes to what do I 204 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,560 want to do? You know, after a couple years 205 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,400 and a job, I'm a lot more likely to go. 206 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,520 I know what I want to do. I'm going to go do this. 207 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,200 Do you think that as you've inherited more and more 208 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,360 responsibilities in your life that you have become quicker to 209 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,000 make decisions or more fearful to make decisions? 210 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,760 What do you think? I think, I think I mean, the 211 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,680 biggest, the biggest decision that, you know, all of us have 212 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:06,840 ever had to, to make is the decision to propose to our, our 213 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,200 now wives. And that was something that, you 214 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,360 know, in, in the, in the dating world and the, the pre 215 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,000 engagement world and the enduring engagement that can 216 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,520 just bring up a lot of anxiety and, and uncertainty and talking 217 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,360 to a lot of people. That's that's really, really 218 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,240 normal, you know, to, to feel that way because you're, you're, 219 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,520 you're making a decision honestly, that at that point in 220 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:33,000 my life, when I was, you know, 22, I didn't, I didn't feel like 221 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,320 I had the authority to make, you know, it's like, I don't, you 222 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,400 know, I just graduated college. I have no idea what's going on 223 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,520 in my life, you know, no. And so I would say, you know, 224 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,360 yeah, once you start making big decisions like that and you see 225 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,000 that all things work together for good for those who love God, 226 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,640 there's a greater there's a greater freedom there. 227 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,880 And I think too, you know, I was thinking of the line from the 228 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,080 the Easter Vigil. Oh, happy fault. 229 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Oh, what is it? Oh, glorious sin of Adam, that 230 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:03,160 one for us so great a Redeemer that that God works good in in 231 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,640 all things. And perhaps there are certain 232 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,520 times in our life where there's no great clarity of like there 233 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,360 is this one specific path, there is this one specific decision 234 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,280 that that I feel like God is, is calling me in this direction. 235 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,520 But then we also have to remember that God gives us a lot 236 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,320 of freedom as well to use our own, you know, human reason to 237 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,840 make a decision. And then even in the midst of 238 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,960 that, you know, using our reason to, you know, to make pros and 239 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,640 cons lessons to figure out, you know, what's better, you know, 240 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,680 ABC or D. And then also trust that, you 241 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:39,800 know what, even if I do make the wrong decision here, I have a 242 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,320 good father who who loves me and is going to, you know, like just 243 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,520 thinking of our children make poor decisions all the time, you 244 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,720 know, and we snatch them up, you know, out of that. 245 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,480 But we also want to give them, you know, freedom to to make 246 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,640 those decisions as well and just know that we're going to support 247 00:13:54,640 --> 00:14:01,160 them along the way. Reminds me of there's a quote by 248 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:06,360 Saint Augustine. Do you say Augustine or? 249 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,280 Gus. Augustine or Augustine? 250 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,160 Augustine. Augustine, I do too. 251 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,840 Smart people. I just want to make sure we're 252 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:21,320 on the same page. Here's a quote that is love God 253 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,960 and do whatever you please. Have you just heard this quote? 254 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,480 That sounds wonderful. Which I I think gets misused a. 255 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,760 Lot I could. I could. 256 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,960 I could. See it I could, that would be 257 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,360 abused. Because it's like, Oh yeah, I 258 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,640 totally love that. But I, I think there's a second 259 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,600 part to that quote that people forget, which is live God and do 260 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,000 whatever you please for the soul trained and loved to God will do 261 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,400 nothing to offend the one who is beloved, right? 262 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,720 And I think that. Second sentence is really 263 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,320 important. Really. 264 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Important, huge, but that goes to kind of what you're saying, 265 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,680 which that has allowed me a lot of freedom when it comes to the 266 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,160 bigger decisions. And maybe you know what I was 267 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,120 saying, if like the bigger decisions don't cost me as much 268 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,240 stress because part of me knows like, OK, I, I have to trust my 269 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,360 formation. I have to trust that, OK, I'm 270 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,640 instead of grace, I pray daily. I go to mass as much as I can, 271 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,880 not daily, but I try. You know, it's like, I love God. 272 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,720 I'm doing all these things. It's all, no, I'm not saying 273 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,560 that it I can't sin by any means, but it's like, OK, a soul 274 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,880 trained. What does it say? 275 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,880 A soul trained and loved to God will do nothing to offend the 276 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,640 one who is beloved. It's like there has to be a 277 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,440 trust there that I'm not going to purposely do something that's 278 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,480 going to lead my family away from salvation. 279 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,280 As long as I'm still in these places of being a state of 280 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,680 grace, continuing to love God, continuing to put him as like 281 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,680 the most important thing. If we can get those things, it 282 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,240 doesn't really matter where my wife and I live and raise a 283 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,160 family. You know, it doesn't really 284 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,600 matter what job I have. Now, again, the other side of 285 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,400 the coin, I think when I first heard this when I was in 286 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,560 college, I was like, oh, love God and do whatever you please. 287 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,280 The Saints at that. Great. 288 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,000 I can do whatever. I want buy Bitcoin, yeah. 289 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,400 Keep calm and chive. On like I'm going to go to the 290 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,080 bar still 3:00 AM everyday. It's fine, you know, I love God. 291 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:29,120 Yeah, I think we, you know, in my day job, I, I help out 292 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,480 recruiting and hiring and retaining people to, to focus. 293 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,800 And I know you guys have ample experience in recruiting, in 294 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,720 recruiting people to come work for us also recruiting people to 295 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,080 work in, in different organizations or camps or 296 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,440 apostolates or companies. And so I think we actually, you 297 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,080 know, the All In podcast doesn't have a ton of talent. 298 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,200 I think if there's one area we do have a lot of talent in, it's 299 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,160 like we are well versed in helping people make decisions. 300 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,960 I mean, we, we've done this for our day jobs the last 3-4 years 301 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,960 of our career. And I think you guys would, 302 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,880 would all say the same thing. What is the thing that 303 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,200 frustrates you the most when you're walking with a, you know, 304 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,119 soon to be college graduate in terms of his future? 305 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,560 I don't feel called. I don't feel called. 306 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:23,160 I don't feel called and and I think for for their sake, I 307 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,920 think what they're saying is, is I have confusion or dis clarity 308 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,640 about my direction. I think another thing that I 309 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:37,760 have done myself and I see in some of these young people is I 310 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,960 won't take an A step in that direction unless I feel like 311 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,320 that is the thing I'm supposed to do. 312 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,280 And so I won't attend a interview unless I feel like I 313 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,240 really, really want that job or I won't take a step to, you 314 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,320 know, ask a girl out unless I just know she is the one. 315 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,600 I won't apply to this company unless I know everything about 316 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,880 the company and I've read their mission statement and I've had 317 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,520 coffee with the CEO and I've talked to five employees at the 318 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,480 company to get their experience. And I just think that that 319 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,440 attitude, one that we can relate to, certainly it is just 320 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:18,760 dangerous because calling necessitates some discernment. 321 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:24,000 Discernment could mean a way of thinking through something, but 322 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,440 discernment necessitates action. You can't actually discern if 323 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,880 something's good or bad for you without going and checking it 324 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,600 out. And so, you know, our advice to 325 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,880 people in our recruiting of them has always been, hey, just come 326 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,680 get to know us a little bit. Like before you can make a 327 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,240 decision on if you want to work for us or not, we just come 328 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,440 check it out. And you know, I call it a first 329 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,200 date, like come and come and go out on a date with us and, and 330 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,840 get a feel for who we are. And then you can figure out what 331 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,040 the next step is there. Maybe it's interviewing great. 332 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Maybe it's you get an offer. Awesome. 333 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,840 Well then the next step after that is decide if you want to 334 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,680 work for us, but don't make a decision on if you want to work 335 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,960 for us until, you know, if you even have an offer to come join 336 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,160 us. And so that discernment 337 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:12,480 necessitates action and action necessitates an act of the will 338 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,400 to go and do that thing. So use your head a little bit 339 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,360 more, you know, don't lean into your heart nearly as much. 340 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:21,960 I don't feel that it's my calling. 341 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,120 It's like God has given you rational capabilities to think 342 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:30,960 through things. What's the line y'all think? 343 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,480 And I don't want to derail too much, but I think first is like 344 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,480 what does calling even mean? I think what what some people 345 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,240 think it means is you're you're Saint Paul on the way to 346 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,160 Damascus and God knocks you off of your horse and makes it 347 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,480 abundantly clear to you what your job is in your life or. 348 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,480 But I'm like, I, I just don't know if I believe that that's a 349 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,280 thing. No, no, I I'm saying that's, I 350 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,000 think that's the connotation that people have. 351 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:03,760 Because it also implies that there, there's only like 1 in 352 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,560 there. That's it. 353 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,120 Which I guess is what we're talking about. 354 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:10,040 It's like, yeah, I don't know if I subscribe to that. 355 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,840 It's it's extremely nuanced. Yeah. 356 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,320 Clayton, can you help us? What do you got? 357 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,920 Look, I'm like if, if you love God, yeah. 358 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,400 If you're leading. Your family to eternal life as 359 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,800 best as you can. If you're not leading people to 360 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:37,000 send, it doesn't matter if you do sales IT you know, HR or like 361 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,760 whatever it is, there's no really calling. 362 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,600 There there is a something I've been thinking about as I was 363 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,560 talking with a friend of mine recently and he was having a 364 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,800 conversation with one of his spiritual directors and they 365 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,800 were talking about, you know, entering into the Christmas 366 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,400 season. He's got two young children. 367 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,360 And he's like, I want to do this, I want to do that. 368 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,440 I want to do this. I want to do that. 369 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,840 And she kind of slowed him down and was just like, you know, 370 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,240 like all of those things are, are, are good, but it's like 371 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,640 you're in a lot of ways, you're, you're trying to exit the 372 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,960 reality of your family life to go and, and do these external 373 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,000 things. And if you, if you run away from 374 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,240 your reality right now as a husband and father, and you know 375 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,320 what it's like to have two young, young children at the 376 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,320 home and you know, they're international missionaries right 377 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,720 now, you know, visiting family back in, you know, back in, in 378 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,960 Texas, If you run away from that, like you're, you're going 379 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,960 to miss God, like God comes to you and is present in your 380 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,640 reality. And I think a lot of times when, 381 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,760 you know, we're, we're looking for a calling, you know, in a 382 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,600 lot of ways, we're looking, we're looking for something, you 383 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,600 know, out out there outside of ourselves. 384 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,160 I have to go out there and have to find it. 385 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,640 I have to search for, I have to look for it, you know, and it's 386 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,560 this complicated decision when in reality, I think you have to 387 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,600 take a step back and you have to look like, what's the present 388 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,040 reality of my life? What are the circumstances that 389 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,800 I find myself in? What are the relationships, you 390 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,720 know, that the, the people that are around me, you know, who are 391 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,920 the people that I can talk to and ask questions to to help me 392 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,040 in making a decision? And I think it's, you know, 393 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,520 again, you know Saint Augustine, you know, I, he, he. 394 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Faustine. Saint St. 395 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,800 Dino, you know, he he finds he finds God within himself. 396 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,040 You know, and I I don't know, I if you guys can can help me 397 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,880 there kind of process that of looking for God elsewhere when 398 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,880 maybe you have to take a step back and when we're talking 399 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,320 about, you know, recruiting and inviting young men and women to 400 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,280 to discern becoming a focus missionary. 401 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,000 It's like, hey, you know, like maybe this, maybe this isn't 402 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,920 something that you you want to do, you know, and that's that's 403 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,560 totally fine. But also like, you know, so much 404 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,840 of your college experience in the relationships that you've 405 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,000 had have been, you know, through relationships that you've formed 406 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,840 because of the focus missionaries that are on on your 407 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,160 campus. You know, and maybe that's just 408 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,640 something to look at and to consider. 409 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,880 And I'm not make I'm not trying to push anything on your make a 410 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,720 decision for you, but like this has been a huge part of your 411 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,760 life. It's worth, you know, taking a 412 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,040 step and and just looking at it at least a little bit. 413 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Well, I think that going back to the the core analogy of, you 414 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,120 know, there's a destination, there's a couple different ways 415 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,160 to get there. I think as we determine and 416 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,840 define calling, there's a few non negotiables and we could 417 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,720 identify some of those not non negotiables. 418 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,320 One to love God with your whole heart, your whole mind and your 419 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,760 whole self and to treat your neighbor as you would treat 420 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,960 yourself. Like those are those are some, 421 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,720 some non negotiables that are objectively you're calling that 422 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,200 every human being who's been chosen by God, which everyone 423 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,240 has been chosen by God, has to have as a part of their calling 424 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,040 to love God and to love his people. 425 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,360 And then there's a kind of hierarchy of loving his people. 426 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,800 And so there's there's love of, of spouse. 427 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,640 If you're married, if you're, if you have a vocation to the 428 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,280 priesthood or religious life, it's loving the church. 429 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,880 That's your that's your primary there. 430 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,840 And then your secondary's your, your children, if God blesses 431 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,600 you with those or your spiritual children. 432 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,160 And then your third is those whom God has entrusted to you 433 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,680 through friendships and through your family. 434 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,160 And so it's kind of like, all right, non negotiables over 435 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,160 here, love God, love people, love people, in that order. 436 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,280 And then you kind of move to the negotiables of job, career, 437 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,840 location, all of those things. And so as you're looking at the 438 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,960 negotiables of life and then you have the non negotiables of 439 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,560 life, which is probably we would define that as the destination. 440 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,880 You look at these things and you see, OK, there's like 6 to 8 to 441 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,720 10 to 15 roads that I could take to get to that same thing. 442 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,520 And that is where things get difficult because you know the 443 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,560 non negotiables and I think a lot of our listeners us may be 444 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,160 clear on those. What they're unclear on is the 8 445 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,840 different roads to take. And maybe the advice I would 446 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,320 give there is some of those roads may be more predisposed to 447 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,360 helping the negotiables than others. 448 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,640 And so as you look at those things, you may find some of 449 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,440 those avenues allow for you to be more free to take care of 450 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,760 your your obligations to God and to his people. 451 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,520 And so you should lean hard to discovery of those maybe as kind 452 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,120 of your primary. And then sometimes people aren't 453 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,600 called to those things. Let's let's talk about career 454 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,680 for an example. You know, some people have 455 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,080 chosen to work careers that are, you know, somewhat significant 456 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,800 and hours worked 60 hours a week, 70 hours a week, 50 hours 457 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,000 a week. Maybe they're a lawyer or 458 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,720 something like that. And, and you would, you would 459 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,120 look at that and be like, OK, well, are you able to really 460 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,160 love God and, and love his people? 461 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,880 If you're, if you're really working hard, is that really 462 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,320 predisposed to these things? And there may be a reality that 463 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,200 even though it's not predisposed to those areas as much as 464 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,520 another role would be that that person still has the same 465 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,840 capacity and opportunity to love God and to love his people, even 466 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,960 though maybe his life isn't as predisposed to those things as 467 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,080 another opportunity would be. What are your thoughts there 468 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:10,920 that does that line up? I think so, Claire. 469 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Any thoughts as I continue to process with? 470 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,880 Well, I think I think you're just kind of reminded me of like 471 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,720 what I was talking about a little bit of just what, what, 472 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,560 what present reality do you do you find yourself in you know, 473 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,080 and you know, our, our, our just the reality of, of family life 474 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,360 is each day kind of looks different, you know, and, and 475 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,200 growing in leadership and responsibility. 476 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,560 Your, your, your days and the way that you use your time look 477 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,400 different. And the way that you, you know, 478 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,880 the way that you lived your spiritual life and communed with 479 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,600 God in, in college looks vastly different than it does now. 480 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,880 And I think, you know, where we, you know, start to be judgmental 481 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,560 of others or even critical of ourselves is kind of trying to 482 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,000 compare things. Things need to look a certain 483 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,360 way and to be a certain way, you know, all the time. 484 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,400 And, you know, just trusting that, you know, that there's 485 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,720 particular seasons or careers where things have to look 486 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,600 different to know and, and to trust like, OK, this is just, 487 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,920 you know, you know, maybe I need to think about, do I need to 488 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,480 start doing things differently? Or maybe I need to think about, 489 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,680 you know, how do I just, you know, OfferUp my life as it is 490 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,720 right now as a as a sacrifice to to God and, and trust that he's 491 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,320 going to do with the little he's going to do a lot with the 492 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,680 little things that I can get to him. 493 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,040 As we've kind of gone through this season of podcasts, we, you 494 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,240 know, we've had a lot of episodes that have a similar 495 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,880 thread. You know, we, we talked about 496 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,320 the role of vacation in life. We talked about kind of the 497 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,240 hustle culture and what that means and, and concepts that are 498 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,040 certainly related. Maybe they're not the exact same 499 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,400 thing, but there's kind of a narrative journey. 500 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,280 I think that we've been been walking our, our listeners 501 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,360 through the last, I don't know, month, two months or so. 502 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,600 How do you, is there a way that this this aspect of calling 503 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,160 plays into the kind of some of the other things that we've 504 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:09,680 talked about South hustle culture, vacation, hard work and 505 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,960 like the value of excellence in work? 506 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:13,560 How do these things kind of interact? 507 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,600 I think the thread that I'm seeing in a lot of these 508 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,240 episodes, as we talk, we keep talking about getting distracted 509 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,960 from what God has put in front of you, right? 510 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,040 Whether it's by chasing the calling, whether it's through 511 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,880 the grind culture, whether it's, you know, by always wanting a 512 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:36,120 vacation for my life, It's pretty much all different ways 513 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,560 of saying like not fully entering into the reality that's 514 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,080 in front of you, that God is entrusted to you in getting 515 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,720 distracted from that for whatever reason. 516 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,280 You know, that's kind of that's the main thread that I'm seeing 517 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:56,320 through all of these things is or calling our, you know, not 518 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,120 vocation. I can't think of the word, but 519 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,240 our life, the most important thing in our life is love God, 520 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,640 love your neighbor, you know, love your family and that's it. 521 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,520 And be present to reality in front of. 522 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,920 You the word that was coming to mind for me was freedom and, and 523 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,480 just the, the freedom that we have as as children of God, like 524 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,680 you said, Joe Michael, there's, there's certain, there's certain 525 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,440 non negotiables, you know, and you know, the non negotiables 526 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,600 would be frankly, you know, Sunday Mass, you know, the, the 527 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,720 church would say confession once a year. 528 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,720 You know, I like, you know, we probably preferential to go more 529 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,960 frequently than that. But you know, there's, there's 530 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,920 certain freedoms that that God allows us as as his, as his 531 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,640 children. And I think, you know, a 532 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,040 tendency for a tendency for us is to just, you know, put an 533 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,000 immense amount of pressure on ourself, the pressure to 534 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,600 perform, the pressure to achieve, the pressure to, to, 535 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,440 to, to make the right decision. You know, and, and a lot of 536 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,440 those things I think are, are driven by a sense of shame that 537 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,080 I need to cover myself up. I need to, I need to, you know, 538 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,040 I need to hustle, you know, I need to, I want to consume a lot 539 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,880 of things, you know, I want to want to make the right decision. 540 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,720 It's just, you know, I think if I could describe a way that I 541 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,680 feel like I've grown in the last seven years is I've grown in an 542 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,960 immense amount of freedom and just trusting and believing that 543 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,640 I'm a beloved son of God and that and that he and that he 544 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,480 loves me and he's, he gives me the freedom to, to make my own 545 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,800 decisions. And I and I and I go to him and 546 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,720 I ask for direction, I ask for clarity. 547 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280 But even beyond that, I asked for an increased sense of hope. 548 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,480 You know, I asked for an increase of faith of just God, 549 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,680 like help me to believe that that you love me, that you're my 550 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,200 father, that you're present with me in my everyday life. 551 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,000 And that, you know, you've given me the relationships and the 552 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,400 tools that I need to, you know, to to be the leader that I want 553 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,160 to be in my family, to excel, you know, in in the workplace. 554 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,760 And you've given me the human intellect and the reason to make 555 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,600 to make right decisions. And I trust that if I make the 556 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,320 wrong decision that you're going to be there with me, you know, 557 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,680 And so that's what I mean, if, if anything to, to the listeners 558 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,040 is it's just, you know, how is God and inviting you to inviting 559 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,000 you to greater freedom so that you're not, you know, just 560 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,400 burdened by a sense of overwhelm, anxiety, shame, that 561 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,160 God, God loves you as you are right now. 562 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,840 And he's and he's guiding you. And so to, to go to him just in, 563 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,680 in silent trust. And that, you know, even if you 564 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,840 mess up, it's OK. It's going to be OK. 565 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,440 Yeah, I love that. And I think the hopefully the 566 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,120 value add that we're giving our listeners is to to give them 567 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,240 experiences and conversations about faith in in action. 568 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,840 To give them an experience of not just faith in a, in a church 569 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,560 or faith in a song or, or an old lady type of faith that that 570 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,080 doesn't really have any concrete practicals to it, but that we're 571 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,720 having conversations about. What is faith look like in the 572 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,800 real world? What does real life faith look 573 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,000 like for a man in the midst of his obligations? 574 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,920 And I think we've been having a ton of fun diving into those 575 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,160 realities the last the last couple episodes. 576 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,000 So as we finish up here, if you have been enjoying what you're 577 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,720 hearing from the All In podcast, we ask you to please share this 578 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,000 with a brother who needs holiness in his life. 579 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,720 Maybe you guys can be on a journey together, share these 580 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,080 episodes with him, make sure that you're liked, that you're 581 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,800 subscribed, and that you are locked in to all things all in. 582 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,640 Over the next couple of weeks, we have more incredible content 583 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680 coming straight to you on all of our platforms and we look 584 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,320 forward to seeing you in the next one.