1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,280 Ladies and gentlemen, but let's just be honest, mostly just 2 00:00:03,280 --> 00:00:05,480 gentlemen and 14% of our audience that are ladies. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,000 We we are you are also welcomed here. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,200 We are talking today about when things go wrong, but nobody 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,320 steps up to the plate to make it right. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,240 While you need a great leader in that situation, who the best 7 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:18,520 leaders that we've worked with are. 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,560 And we may, just may bring back an all in favorite, the Mount 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,360 Rushmore of great leaders in our lives. 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,760 This is the All In podcast with the three greatest leaders that 11 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:46,400 I know and Clayton. So, you know, in our first 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,120 season of the All In podcast, we we kind of got into a rhythm of 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,440 hitting Mount Rushmore. We had some fun ones we did like 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,600 Mount Rushmore and Dad's Kobe and John Krzynski. 15 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,920 We did Mount Rushmore of the greatest failures, Tim Duncan, 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,519 and we've done Mount Rushmore's on some of our greatest 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,120 experiences in life. But we've kind of gotten away 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,640 from the Mount Rushmore's. But like all great things in 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,360 life, you got to circle back. And so I want to bring out to 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:19,000 open us your Mount Rushmore of greatest leaders. 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,440 We're going to start off with first draft pick to the Oakland 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Raiders, Jose. Are we each doing our own Mount 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Rushmore or collective Mount Rushmore? 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,320 I'd like I don't want you to get too carried away. 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,840 Dumbledore. Albus Dumbledore. 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,320 Tell me what? Elaborate. 27 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:37,800 Yeah. I learned a lot from Albus 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,800 Dumbledore when I was growing up. 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,160 He's someone that is doing the best that he can, but he thinks 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,440 he knows. He's someone that admits when 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,080 they are wrong. He owns up to his mistakes while 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,320 still trying to push people towards goodness and towards 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,560 life and towards love. And he's also the most talented 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,280 Wizard of the century. But he also hid from Harry that 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,120 he was born to die. Which is he admitted that that 36 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,960 was a mistake. That was just good leadership. 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,560 I mean, yeah, you can't tell a kid that, you know, if you're 38 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,760 less than 16 years old, you can't. 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Handle that even if both your parents died. 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,240 He also has one of my my favorite quotes that I don't 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,480 have it memorized, but there's something something along the 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,680 lines of this is in Harry Potter 5 Order of the Phoenix. 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:41,240 Towards the end, he says, sometimes youth forgets about 44 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,040 the experience of the old, but the old tends to forget about 45 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,600 the. Inexperiencing the youth. 46 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,400 OK, come back to me. I'm going to Google this quote. 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Jamie can. You pull this, Jamie. 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,240 Jamie. Listen, Double is just a great 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:58,840 leader. Yeah. 50 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,600 All right, It's all right. That's. 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,080 Fair. He sacrifices his life for the 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,840 good of the wizarding world. Waverly Place, all of them. 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,800 All of all the wizarding worlds clean. 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,040 Right. You started us off with, I would 55 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,480 categorize that as somewhat silly one. 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,160 You're a silly guy. OK, I'm going to go with more 57 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:19,720 serious one here. I'm going to go with Kurt 58 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,160 Signetti. Kurt Signetti, what he's done 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,760 with Indiana football program is absolutely incredible. 60 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,800 But one of the things I loved in an interview that he did was he 61 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,960 talked about how when he came to Indiana, he had to change the 62 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,240 mindset of not just the players that he was playing with, but he 63 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,320 had to change the mindset of the entire university itself. 64 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Because for whatever reason, you know, Indiana, they're in the 65 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Big 10, you know, but they've never been good at football 66 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,680 before. And so the, the mindset around 67 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,720 the entire program was that, yeah, it's just, you know, we, 68 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,120 we play football, We don't, we don't, we don't win football. 69 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,200 And he had to come in, he had to instill a mindset within every 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,080 single person within the university of essentially, why 71 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:02,440 not us? Why don't we believe? 72 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,840 Why are you hiring me here in the 1st place if, if we're not 73 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,760 here to win a win a national championship. 74 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,440 And then since then, obviously they went on to to go and win 75 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,360 the national championship. But a similar thing is happening 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 at Indiana right now. That also happened at the 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,120 University of of Alabama. Kurt Cignetti's contract is like 78 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:21,959 $12 million a year or something like that. 79 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:27,440 His His first contract at James Madison was 395 K, and now he's 80 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,880 getting paid $12 million to be. But now they, they've got like 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,320 70, they had 70,000 more applications or something like 82 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,320 that to, to the university, to the university. 83 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,760 And so, and now they're going to be able to take, you know, they, 84 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,600 they've taken a lot more out of state students, which is going 85 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,120 to allow them to bring more revenue. 86 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:48,320 And his his contract has already been paid for in triple because 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,960 the amount of out of state students that they've been able 88 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,680 to take has come more competitive. 89 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,960 Yeah, no, that's a great answer. I feel like it's the hipster 90 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,880 answer. Feel like Nick Saban's kind of 91 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,600 the the better pick than Kurt, but he's. 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,720 He's the new. He's the. 93 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,120 New Saban. OK, Jamie got back to me just to 94 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,000 close this out because our listeners are on the edge of 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 their seat. The quote is youth cannot know 96 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,360 how age thinks and feels, but old men are guilty. 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,640 They forget what it was like to be young. 98 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,480 I think it's a great quote that applies a lot to to mission on 99 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,080 campus. All right, back to, to, to 100 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:29,640 leadership. I think in I think we had 101 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,960 another episode about this. For me, someone that have been 102 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:38,880 very struck with how they led was Saint John the Rebuff. 103 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:47,280 Now I wasn't there in his book is have a lot of dialogue 104 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,440 because it's not his book, it's someone else writing about his 105 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,720 life. But the example that he set in 106 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:57,000 the way that he lived mission with the Native Americans has 107 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,200 really struck me. And so he would be on my Mount 108 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,480 Rushmore of leadership. Is that less silly than I was I? 109 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. 110 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:07,640 That's legit. So, Michael? 111 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:08,960 You pronounced it correctly this time. 112 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,680 In the first season, you kept on mispronouncing his name. 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Jean Leverbaugh. Yeah. 114 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:14,720 Really. Yeah. 115 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,040 You said Braboof. Braboof Brabe. 116 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,000 Buff because he was jacked. Excuse. 117 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,440 You know, I'm going to go, I'm going to go a little secular 118 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,240 here. I'm going to call on Mr. Steve 119 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,520 Jobs. No, that's terrible. 120 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,520 No, he was awful. He was. 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,880 He had his issues. He had specifically in 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,480 leadership. Leadership issues. 123 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,600 He was knowing for cussing out employees in the boardroom. 124 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,680 He was really good at building a brand, I guess. 125 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Moving on, he's taken down. We cleaned his face off Mount 126 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Rushmore. OK, stenciled over it. 127 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,320 What do we think about Tom Cruise and Top Gun Maverick? 128 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,760 Good leader. The fight he gets in at the bar, 129 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:16,640 absolutely. Jamie, can we can we pull that 130 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,560 clip? All right, Joe, Mike, we've, 131 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,160 we've axed Steve Jobs. Yeah. 132 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,320 Awful pick, by the way. Yeah. 133 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,640 Yeah, I was going to go. Vetoed that I was kind of 134 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,360 building this together. Yeah, we no. 135 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,280 We're we're together. I asked the question and I'm 136 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,000 struggling for answers here. So right now we I'm. 137 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,440 Fine with Albus Dumbledore next to Kurt Zignetti on. 138 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,120 Mount Rushmore we have. Don't want Steve Jobs up there? 139 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:49,520 Kurt, Jean and Albus. I'm going to I'm going to pull 140 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,840 one out here and I'm going to say my favorite U.S. 141 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:59,600 President Millard Fillmore. You know anything about this 142 00:07:59,600 --> 00:07:59,760 guy? I. 143 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,160 Didn't even know that was the name of a. 144 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,000 President. President. 145 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,560 Miller, Millard Fillmore. He was the US President after 146 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,920 who, Ulysses? S Grant was your Wilson. 147 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,960 Jamie, you know the answer. I thought Your presidential guy, 148 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Zachary Taylor, President Taylor. 149 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,240 Can you name anything about President Taylor? 150 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Wait, you guys don't know anything? 151 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,880 Came out for Abraham Lincoln. I think. 152 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Can you? How many presents can you name 153 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,800 in order? In order, yeah, none. 3I. 154 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,080 Thought you're talking about you can take the first 3. 155 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,480 George Washington? Yeah. 156 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:38,640 Thomas Jefferson? No. 157 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Whose number? No, no. 158 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,320 Hold on. John Adams. 159 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,880 John Quincy Adams and. No Jamie's. 160 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,000 Freaking out in the back. Who's number 2? 161 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,040 John Adams. Just John Adams. 162 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:54,520 No. No. 163 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,440 Quincy. Who's John Quincy Adams? 164 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,480 He was the 5th president. Oh, he was. 165 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,920 I think so. And then third Donnie T. 166 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,160 Donnie T No, I don't know, Basically Miller. 167 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,600 Miller Fillmore. The joke is is that he's the 168 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,800 most obscure U.S. President, and that he did 169 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,200 absolutely nothing remarkable except that he was once quoted 170 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,000 as saying that the Capitol Library is way too small. 171 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,280 So, OK, so you've given us a bunch of fake people that you 172 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,840 want to put on the Yep. Mount Rushmore. 173 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,960 Now we're going for real. I was setting this. 174 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,680 I have another answer for. What people do, you build 175 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:33,760 momentum, you build momentum and you you get people involved and 176 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,880 then you hit them with a big one at the end. 177 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,800 Great. I'm going to go one of my 178 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,160 heroes, Vince Lombardi. Vince Lombardi, He's a fellow 179 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,440 Italian Stallion. There's many of us out in the 180 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,320 world. Rocky Balboa, Sylvester 181 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,520 Stallone. They may or may not be the 182 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:54,720 right, the same person, Me, Andre Bocelli and Vince 183 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,560 Lombardi, Italian Stallions. And also the guy from Godfather. 184 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,160 You know the guy. Yeah. 185 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,400 What's the I thought Andre Bocelli was an operator? 186 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,120 He is, he is. Oh, doesn't mean you gave. 187 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:12,360 Me, a game from Godfather. So Vince Lombardi. 188 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,720 One of the most boring biographies I've ever read. 189 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,960 Mostly because it's 27 hours on Audible and that's at 1.2 speed 190 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,040 so I don't know what the inflation is there but it's 191 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,680 probably like 30-4 hours regular. 192 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,480 I'm a 1.4 guy. Lombardi 4. 193 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,960 One 1.4 speed. Yeah, sorry. 194 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,840 Keep going. This podcast is going great. 195 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,920 It's going wonderful. So Vince Lombardi, if you don't 196 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,640 know his story, was born into a poor Italian Catholic family in 197 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,840 inner city New York. His dad owned a small sub shop 198 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:54,560 Jersey Mike's just kidding. But basically they had nothing 199 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,960 and Vince Lombardi was always undersized. 200 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,600 He he was a nose tackle even though he was like less than 6 201 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,080 foot. Played low key college football, 202 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:07,040 but was just a a grinder and highly competitive and was was 203 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,120 known for having a knack for pulling talent out of people who 204 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,520 didn't have much talent. He kind of, he was, he was a one 205 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,680 of those characters who wasn't a high profile athlete, but 206 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:19,480 because he was so smart, he worked his way up the ladder. 207 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,120 You know, analyst positions, coordinator positions, small 208 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,680 schools, small schools, small schools. 209 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,720 Finally got a job at a major conference at the college level 210 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,600 and then was given the opportunity to move up to the 211 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,760 NFL. And when he was hired as the 212 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,760 head coach of the Packers, many people were like, this is this 213 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,960 is one of the worst hires in the NFL. 214 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,560 The Packers were a low market team, still are. 215 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:46,320 Shout out to our Packers fans. And they basically never done. 216 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,960 They were kind of the laughingstock of the NFL up to 217 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 that point. And Lombardi took a team that 218 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,960 didn't have much money, was playing in a market that was the 219 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,000 smallest U.S. market at the time and and still is to this day. 220 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:02,880 And turn the Green Bay Packers from a bottom dweller of 221 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,160 professional sports to now one of the one of the teams in 222 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,840 professional sports that everyone I identifies as kind of 223 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,000 the face of American professional athletics. 224 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,320 I mean, he he recruited and drafted some of the best players 225 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,160 in NFL history. Bart Starr, probably the the 226 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,920 first great NFL quarterback. He also a little burn in the 227 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,680 back of the throat. He also was pivotal and changing 228 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,920 the way offense was being played at the time. 229 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,120 So if you look at those old videos, it was the old wingback 230 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,040 formation, kind of like Navy, Army, Air Force style triple 231 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,760 option. And he was pivotal and kind of 232 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,840 starting to move the ball down the field through 5/10/15 yard 233 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,360 outs. And just an incredible leader. 234 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,800 His, his famous speech, what it takes to be #1 my dad had on a 235 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,800 plaque in our Home Office growing up. 236 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,720 And I, I just always would read it. 237 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,720 And even as a young kid, just be like, that is what leadership 238 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,920 looks like. It is drawing talent out of 239 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,200 people who maybe don't think they do. 240 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,000 And his famous quote is being #1 isn't the only thing. 241 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:11,360 No, winning isn't the only thing. 242 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,560 Winning is not just a thing. It's the only thing. 243 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:15,280 We got. There. 244 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,720 This is the only podcast where we misquote all the important 245 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,160 ones. OK, but now that I've had a 246 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,520 little time to think. Great pick by the way. 247 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:23,800 John, Michael. That is a great pick. 248 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,480 Did I save myself? And I think the the person that 249 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:33,360 I'm thinking of very similar is Gregg Popovich, who is also 250 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,280 known for help like finding talent in the most 251 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:43,320 unconventional types of people and players, who is known for 252 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,640 his leadership style is all about connecting with his 253 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,240 players, right? All of his players want to play 254 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,720 for him, goes to one of the smallest markets in the NBA, 255 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,960 turns them into one of the greatest franchises in the NBA, 256 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,360 and yeah, he's just a good leader. 257 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,200 You read any article about there's not a single negative 258 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,720 thing that anyone has ever said about Greg Popovich is a coach. 259 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,360 But you read all these articles about coaching, what it took to 260 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,640 win 5 championships, all these things. 261 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,640 And I feel like at least what I remember, especially growing up 262 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,280 in San Antonio, what I hear the most is, you know, what made the 263 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Spurs special, what made Gregg Popovich special is he always 264 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,280 prioritized team dinners and connecting with the players and 265 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,560 the players connecting with each other. 266 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 I think that's amazing. I love it. 267 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,520 Like as a leader, he his main priority was not winning. 268 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Now, it was probably a top priority, but his main priority 269 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,840 was knowing his players, knowing what they brought the table and 270 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,640 highlighting those strengths to make sure that everyone had a 271 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,720 spot on the team. It's a good pick. 272 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,360 Yeah. What was the worst pick for 273 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,160 Mount Rushmore? Clayton picking Tenet on his 274 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,640 Mount Rushmore of movies or me picking Steve Job on our mount. 275 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,720 Rushmore's leaders, like tenet spelled backwards, is still 276 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,960 tenet. Say, say no more, say no more. 277 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,160 So we've been, we've been joking about leaders and we've been 278 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,320 identifying some great ones. But what I want to get to for 279 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,160 the meat and potatoes of the episode is even if you don't 280 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,560 want to be a leader, leadership is going to find you anyway. 281 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,160 Here's what I mean by that. Often times, responsibility and 282 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,480 leadership show up whether you volunteer for it or not. 283 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,040 Leadership, we think is maybe like a formal title. 284 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,600 You know what we identified here in our Mount Rushmore where 285 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,960 people who had leadership positions, head coaches of 286 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,560 programs, CEO's, Saint John, Deborah Buff, kind of the leader 287 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,000 of the Jesuits in the New World. But one of the most important 288 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,440 qualifiers for leadership is leadership is not a title, it's 289 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,120 influence. And so for people that do not 290 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,200 have a title, you look up to people who show certain 291 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,200 qualities. Maybe it's a spirit of calmness 292 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,680 in the face of adversity. Maybe it's a willingness to take 293 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,440 charge of a situation. Maybe it's just capacity or 294 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,320 capability to be someone who, when a gap exists, that you're 295 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,480 the one to take the initiative to step in. 296 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,920 It doesn't necessitate a title. Sometimes it comes with it, but 297 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,480 it produces a responsibility to step into the void. 298 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,640 And I'm curious for y'all, have you worked with people either 299 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,880 professionally, maybe it was growing up that didn't 300 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,800 necessarily have that title like a head coach or CEO or business 301 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,760 leader or president or a St., but who showcased leadership in 302 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,120 a profound way can? You repeat that question. 303 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Who do you know that stepped into leadership without a title? 304 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:59,480 Yeah, but has LED anyway I'm. Trying to think of some good 305 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:06,400 examples in my life. I think one one that comes to 306 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:15,839 mind for me is my grandfather. So he fought in Korea, fought in 307 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,680 the Korean War. He's the youngest of 14 children 308 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,480 born to Vito great name and his mother and his mother died in 309 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,600 childbirth with him. So his dad was left with 14 310 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:34,040 children, a widower and a lot of mouths to feed on a poor 311 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,440 strawberry farm in rural Louisiana. 312 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Has he ever heard of Independence, LA? 313 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,960 I have. That's north of New Orleans, 314 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,320 kind of as you move up into northern Louisiana. 315 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,480 And my grandfather, as the youngest of 14, was cast right 316 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,320 away into helping out the family. 317 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,080 So he would pick strawberries outside in the farm. 318 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,880 He would carry the strawberries on his back to market to sell to 319 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,040 make money for the family. And as his older brothers were 320 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,600 moving on and and leaving the family, most of his brothers 321 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,680 actually fought in World War 2, he became cast into kind of the 322 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,920 the leader of his family, even though he was the youngest. 323 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,920 So he had nine older brothers. And then there was 4 girls and 324 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,720 then there was two boys. And my grandfather and my 325 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:26,280 grandfather talks about how even though he had other boys at 326 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,640 home, he was the one who naturally took charge as the 327 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,880 older boys graduated and, and moved on. 328 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,280 And it's cool because you see that leadership in him growing 329 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,720 up and, and taking part in family life and, you know, being 330 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,480 able to, to provide for the family. 331 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,560 But then he went and fought in Korea and he was 18 years old. 332 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,680 And it's crazy to think about because I would not feel 333 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,480 comfortable with most 18 year olds I know fighting for our 334 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,360 country. But looking back then, it was 335 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:57,160 probably his hardened life that prepared him for such a moment. 336 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,160 And when he was fighting Korea, he was a Marine infantryman. 337 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,160 And as he was, they were taking a hill in Korea. 338 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,800 They're trying to take the high ground like Anakin. 339 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,560 They he stepped on a landmine and it blew off his entire left 340 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,200 leg. Like Anakin? 341 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,880 There is a lot of analogies. Here. 342 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,680 Like Anakin, he was also the Chosen 1. 343 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,120 That's good. That might have been top moments 344 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:39,040 in the podcast right there. They have to be on the top 10. 345 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,840 But he stepped in right away and and he was he was laying on the 346 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,240 ground with his leg blown off and, and one of his infantry men 347 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,600 came and, and put him on his back and carried him all the way 348 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,160 back. And he spent six months in a 349 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,720 naval hospital getting rehabilitated. 350 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,760 And then you know, he has to re enter life and he's 20 years 351 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,840 old. He has a prosthetic leg in the 352 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,480 1950s, which I have to imagine is probably not very 353 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,200 comfortable. And, and he married my 354 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,920 grandmother and, and started a family. 355 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,000 But because of his prosthetic leg, he was denied at a lot of 356 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,840 factory and industry jobs because he was disabled. 357 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,040 And so he took a job as a wood shop teacher at a public high 358 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,800 school. You know, not the not the 359 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,600 sexiest job in the world, doesn't make the most money, but 360 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,400 he created this beautiful life for his family. 361 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,480 They had six kids, my dad being one of them. 362 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,800 And he was such an example to me. 363 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,280 He's, he's still living. He's 96 years old and still 364 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,400 walking around on a prosthetic leg that he got, you know, 76 365 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,360 years ago. And his name's Lawrence Michael 366 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:46,720 Lucido, Senior and my dad's Lawrence Michael Lucido Junior. 367 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:49,240 My parents skipped me. Not sure why. 368 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,680 We'll talk to them about that later. 369 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,400 But then we named our son Lawrence Michael Lucido the 370 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,560 third because we wanted him to showcase the same leadership 371 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,720 without a title that my grandfather showcased throughout 372 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,240 his life. And and that's something 373 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,680 stepping into responsibility that I want my kids and and 374 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,640 myself to emulate. It's. 375 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,800 A great story it. Is wonderful. 376 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,480 You know, I just speaking about Deacon, Deacon Larry. 377 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,240 You know, he, I think, I think maybe I might have told the 378 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,960 story before on the podcast, but he was Deacon at Saint Monica 379 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,800 and he would always ride a bike by all the windows of the school 380 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,520 and handle license plate on the back of his bike that said 381 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,680 groovy on it. And he wave with all the kids 382 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,160 through the windows. It's like we were starting our, 383 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,440 our school day. And then, you know, I, I knew 384 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,920 him very impersonally then and then got to know Deacon Larry. 385 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,720 I mean, I've spent a little bit of time with him just 386 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,480 interacting with, with your family. 387 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,640 But you, you, you telling that story. 388 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,560 I think, you know, I think of Deacon Larry Lucido. 389 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,160 What I think about is that he's a, he's a man of joy. 390 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,240 He is truly a man of joy. And just, you know, hearing you 391 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,280 tell that I'm like, wow, he, you know, the, the hardships that he 392 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,080 had to go through, not only just growing up, you know, in his, in 393 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,080 his family life, but then having to go, go to Korea and then, you 394 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,400 know, immediately, you know, coming back from Korea, having 395 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,360 to deal with the hardships of how do I get a job when I have 396 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:16,960 this, you know, disability. It's amazing that he wasn't. 397 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,560 He didn't grow resentful even in the midst of that. 398 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,040 I wonder if it's just as as that generation of men has, you know, 399 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,680 slowly passed on. I think they're called the 400 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,720 greatest generation is kind of how they're identified in in 401 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,480 generational terms. It's such a sad. 402 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,040 It's so sad because they went through so much like that 403 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,400 generation went through, you know, probably a lot of them, 404 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,480 the Great Depression, a lot of them either fought in World War 405 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,240 2 or Korea. And then they had to make a life 406 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,600 for themselves as the country's reeling and trying to find its 407 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,320 identity. They're trying to create a life 408 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,120 of safety for their kids from a life that they never had. 409 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,760 And I just my grandmother, his wife passed away just a couple 410 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,400 months ago. And it's just really got me 411 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,080 thinking of how much I wish my kids could have more time with 412 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,240 that generation. My favorite thing growing up was 413 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,520 we just sit at my grandpa's feet and just have them tell us 414 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,360 stories. And some of his stories were 415 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,520 just unbelievable. Riding, riding cows out in the 416 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,680 pasture. He he almost drowned in a Creek 417 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,200 because he got bit by a water moccasin and started having a 418 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,400 reaction. And then his brothers rescued 419 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,400 him. It was just like every day in 420 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,240 their life was an adventure. And I wonder if that is what 421 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,560 created these leadership qualities in these men that 422 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,040 frankly, as I look at our generation, who hasn't gone 423 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,680 through some of those things, They had World War Two, we had 424 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,400 COVID and you know, people are like, Oh my gosh, COVID was so 425 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,440 hard compared to what those men went through. 426 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,920 We were stuck in our house looking at our computer all day, 427 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,240 not not fighting for our lives every day trying to put food on 428 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,840 the table. What do you think this 429 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,160 generation is lacking that that greatest generation had the 430 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,560 opportunity to? Have. 431 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:18,520 Well, what's the saying? I'm going to butt here at about 432 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,280 it. I think we're. 433 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:19,840 Talking. Yeah. 434 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,600 Hard, Hard. Yeah, go for it. 435 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,640 Hard times create great men, great men create good times, 436 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,920 good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. 437 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,400 What do you think we are in that cycle? 438 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,240 I think we have moved from great men have created good times, 439 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,800 good times have created weak men, and that is kind of where 440 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:50,960 we're sitting right now. So you're, you're, you're you're 441 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,720 back to your original question, it was what is our generation 442 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,040 lacking? Is that what you said? 443 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:57,520 Yeah. What are they lacking in 444 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,240 compared to that generation? Is it the experiences that they 445 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,520 had? The shared hardship. 446 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,360 The shared hardship. It's got to be part of it. 447 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,880 Maybe not the whole equation, but a big part, yeah. 448 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,320 Is there a way to create those opportunities without living in 449 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:21,360 a Dust Bowl in rural Kansas? In my brain initially goes to 450 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:25,040 well. I also wonder what technology 451 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,920 what what role technology plays in this right. 452 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,720 You're talking about your grandpa, all these adventures. 453 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,160 Would those adventures be there if there's an option to be on an 454 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,040 iPad, right? Or to watch TV or whatever where 455 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,840 it's like, and maybe this goes back to the hardships, right? 456 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,920 Of like the parents were going through hard things, his dad was 457 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,520 going through hard things. So it forced the kids to like be 458 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,440 outside a lot and to be working and to be helping out the 459 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,640 family. But those are two things. 460 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,080 I think of it like shared hardship, but also what has 461 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800 technology done to us to that? We prefer that and maybe goes 462 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,000 back to like the lack of hard things by distracting ourselves 463 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,480 with technology or with whatever it may be. 464 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,280 That, that was, you're kind of hitting on a little bit of what 465 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,120 I was thinking about, which is just that in, in every 466 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,640 generation, in every life that's lived, there's an invitation to 467 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,640 embrace the cross. You know, for your, your 468 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,000 grandfather's generation, there was an invitation there. 469 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,880 There was a a widespread, not just cultural invitation to 470 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,880 embrace the cross, but you know, that there was no, there is you 471 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,760 couldn't not embrace the cross in that moment. 472 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,200 You know, you know, he was called up to Korea and that was 473 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,560 something that that he had to do as part of his duty and 474 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,840 responsibility, that there was no avoiding it. 475 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,400 And he had to face it head on. And I think perhaps something 476 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,720 that, you know, exists because of technology and just the, the 477 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,440 comfort that we have in our, in our culture and society right 478 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,120 now is that there are crosses that are looking at us in the 479 00:26:58,120 --> 00:26:59,720 face every single day of our life. 480 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,320 But it's very, very easy to hide from them. 481 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320 It's very, very easy to escape from them. 482 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,760 That reminds me of a story that one of the best, if not the the 483 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,360 best leader ever worked on there used to love telling the story 484 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:20,280 of AI might butcher a little bit there. 485 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,280 There was a man, can't remember maybe Vietnamese, that when he 486 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:32,840 was in Vietnam, Catholic was captured by the Communist Party 487 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,640 and would get tortured a lot in order for him to apostasize and 488 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,320 to leave the faith. And he never did, like not once 489 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,000 throughout the all the years of capture, torture, all these 490 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,280 things he never did. He eventually got out, moved to 491 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:55,840 America, had kids and slowly but surely, you know, with just like 492 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,480 the comforts of life that he had. 493 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,240 Now again, I'm butchering the story. 494 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,520 He, he slowly started to like give in to certain things, 495 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,280 right? He slowly started to like, well, 496 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,560 you know, maybe I could do this and, and, and well, maybe I 497 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,840 could go walk my daughter's school. 498 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,240 I don't have time to go to Mass anymore. 499 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,640 Not a bad thing, but I just kind of kept building up to within 500 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,960 two years, this man was like not even going to Sunday Mass 501 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,720 anymore. And I, I think again, not the 502 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000 best retelling of that story, but it kind of hits what you're 503 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,280 saying. When he was in Vietnam, 504 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,360 captured, being tortured, the cross was in front of him. 505 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,840 There was no option but to face it and to embrace it. 506 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,520 Versus when he got stateside, the comforts of our culture, 507 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,800 right? He was able to kind of get 508 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760 distracted from the cross. And that's when like things 509 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,080 started to fall apart. And again, the, the, the story 510 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,720 he would say, would like that. My old manager would say a lot 511 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,080 was like, what com communism couldn't be out of him. 512 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,640 Our culture stole from him without even trying, right? 513 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,280 And I think it hits on what you're saying. 514 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,000 The cross was no longer in front of him. 515 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,000 And I feel it in my own life when I'm going through something 516 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:09,160 really hard, that's usually when I feel the closest to our Lord. 517 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,600 But when I'm not going through something really hard, that's 518 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,640 right in front of me. That's why it's really easy to 519 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,400 get distracted and not embrace the cross, right? 520 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,240 Is that what kind of what you were getting? 521 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,440 Exactly. Exactly. 522 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:28,120 That quote scares the the poo poo out of me for our, you know, 523 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,520 that we get at the clean podcast here because it that is like 524 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,040 going back to the question of what is our what what has 525 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,920 happened to our generation? This is what's happened. 526 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,240 We, and I'll say we because we're included in that, have 527 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:47,360 been lulled to sleep by comfort and and men are desperately in 528 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560 need of a battle to fight. And when they don't have a 529 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,240 battle to fight, that's when they lose their desire for 530 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,960 leadership, when they don't feel a need to lead, then they won't. 531 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,400 And when they feel like they're being lulled to sleep and 532 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,920 everything's great and everything's comfortable, what's 533 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,040 their lead? Instead, I'm going to, you know, 534 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,000 grab a, a scar on Fortnite and grab a chug jug. 535 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,920 And that's going to try to. What you say? 536 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,200 What's a chug chug chug chug chug chug chug chug jug. 537 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,880 I thought you said chug chug. What are what are you saying 538 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,920 here? Where is this going? 539 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,720 Basically. I got lost with. 540 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440 These before. That I forgot everything you 541 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,200 said leading up to. Our, our, our grandparents were 542 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,840 fighting real wars. And now we have a generation of 543 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,720 men who are playing wars on video games and not even real 544 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,080 wars, but wars with building materials and fake guns and, you 545 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,320 know, pinatas and. Cool skins. 546 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,880 Cool skins and they can turn into a monster and it's just 547 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,480 it's insane. And why are why are people 548 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,200 attracted to that? Well, they're attracted because 549 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,720 they need a battle to fight in their lives. 550 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,840 And So what they're getting in a video game is kind of a an empty 551 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,400 void of the actual desire that's deeply rooted in them, which is 552 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,240 a desire to lead, a desire to fight, and a desire to find a 553 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,800 battle that is worth engaging in. 554 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,000 I think the reality is, is that for your for your grandpa, 555 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,880 grandfather going back to to Deacon Larry here is that there 556 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,240 was a various a very obvious war, a very obvious battle that 557 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,200 was in front of him. And I think what's scary is that 558 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,640 there's, there's, I think to us, there's a very obvious war and 559 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,640 battle that's, that's raging all around us at, at any given time. 560 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,440 But for many people, it's a silent war. 561 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,520 They don't know, they don't know that it's going on, you know, 562 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,080 and that's been, you know, part of our, our role within, you 563 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,360 know, within focus, the missionary apostolate 564 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,720 organization that we work for is how do we wake people up to see 565 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,400 that that God is real, that there's a, a reality of, you 566 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,480 know, people losing their faith, people losing what it means to 567 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,080 be human, people losing what it means to be, you know, a part of 568 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,080 the family. And we're slipping very, very 569 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560 silently into a culture of a culture of death, a culture of 570 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,560 isolation, a culture that's anti family and anti anti life. 571 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,440 And how do you wake people up to that to see, hey, this like 572 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,840 there's, there's a battle going on and you've got it. 573 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,520 You have a role to play in this. You got to step into that. 574 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,760 And going back to the idea of the cross, leadership is a 575 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,600 burden. Leadership is, is a cross and it 576 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,640 doesn't have, it doesn't necessarily have to do with your 577 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,000 title. Anyone can be a leader because 578 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760 you know, for a, a leader is someone who is woken up to the 579 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,320 fact that their life is about the, the laying down of their 580 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,440 own life and the service to other people around them. 581 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,080 And it doesn't matter if you're at the top of an organization 582 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,720 and you've got thousands of people to lead, There are 583 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,280 always, always opportunities to serve the people in your life 584 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,120 to, to, to bring them joy to, to, to meet them where they're 585 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480 at, to go out of your way to do something for them, to help 586 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,040 them. And it's like, gosh, how what is 587 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,240 how do we invite people to that in a way that is, you know, 588 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,360 where there's a, there's a great challenge in front of you, 589 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,880 there's a great burden in front of you, but there's also a great 590 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,400 joy waiting for you even in the midst of that. 591 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,160 And I think you actually answered the question for us, 592 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,960 which is what is this generation lacking? 593 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,760 This generation is lacking that reminder. 594 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,200 They're lacking the reality. If you wake them up, they will 595 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,240 come alive in Christ and step into Christ like leadership in a 596 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,600 way that they never thought before. 597 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:41,280 My my favorite moments of evangelization and and sharing 598 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,840 the faith with others are our annual conference called Sikh. 599 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,840 We, we have an all men's session. 600 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,480 And this year at the all men session, the MC did this thing 601 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,800 where he, he got the, the men to do like a, a war cry is not the 602 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,600 right term because that kind of sounds cringy. 603 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000 But it was like a, he was like, I want you to grunt like an 604 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,200 animal, but also scream. And it turned into and, and he 605 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,600 would just say, give me one and the whole crowd would go, you 606 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,679 know, give me another Now give the speaker 1. 607 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,520 And it just became this, this thing where every time he would 608 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,120 get up there, he would go give me one and all 6000 college men 609 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,800 would stand up and go. And so there's, there's a 610 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,040 reality to win when you awaken a man to a battle cry. 611 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,560 And a battle cry doesn't have to be as serious as the world is 612 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,960 ending and you need to pick up a sword. 613 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,840 The battle cry can be as simple as your wife needs you to be 614 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,760 present, your kids need you need you to be present. 615 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,920 That's your battle cry. That's your battle cry and and 616 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,360 go out and get it. And I was thinking as you were 617 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,280 talking, and we've been talking about war. 618 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,760 Why do men love movies about war? 619 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,960 Why is every football pregame speech about we're going into 620 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,600 war to fight the enemy. And you know, even boardroom CE 621 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,880 OS talk about the great battle between companies. 622 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,880 It's because men respond to a narrative and a pedagogy of the 623 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,880 great battle. And so if if a football team is 624 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,120 using that analogy and it's effective and a CEO is using 625 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,240 that analogy and it's effective, then we should be using that 626 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:23,120 analogy to awaken a generation of men and show them that 627 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,280 whether you're an infantryman and enlisted officer, a second 628 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,480 Lieutenant, or the captain of the whole thing itself, we need 629 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,880 you. We got to have you because it's 630 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,760 a losing battle and we need as many soldiers on the field as 631 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,920 possible. How do you make that seem 632 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,280 urgent? I guess, you know, when you're, 633 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,360 I mean, when you're thinking about World War 2, you know, 634 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,600 that seems urgent. You know, there there's 635 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,720 something that's very obviously life or death right in front of 636 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,040 me, you know, but I think for, I mean, I've experienced this 637 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,840 amount when you're just going through your day-to-day, you 638 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,240 know, it's like doesn't really seem like it's every decision I 639 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,640 make is make or break life or death. 640 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,800 You know, how do you, what does that look like to be able to 641 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,040 maintain that fervor and that zeal for fighting the the battle 642 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,320 that's waging within your own heart and then also in the 643 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,800 culture at large? General Husby. 644 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:33,320 I'm thinking, how do we kind of make it seem urgent? 645 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,520 What are we saying? I, I, I guess, you know, I'm 646 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,720 thinking of the word zeal here, you know, to be, to be on fire, 647 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,240 you know, and it's like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm willing, I'm 648 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,720 willing to do anything and sacrifice my, my life for the 649 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,520 Lord and for, you know, the Kingdom, the Kingdom of God. 650 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,720 And, you know, going, going through your day-to-day, you 651 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,000 know, going, going to work, which you know, means, you know, 652 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,120 going to an office. Jose, you and I work remotely. 653 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,320 So we walk into our office and we log on to things and there's, 654 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,560 you know, sometimes there's really important things that 655 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,920 we're doing and sometimes there's admin work. 656 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,840 And then you get home and you, you have a little, you know, you 657 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,600 know, Taco Tuesday and you change a diaper and it's like, 658 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,440 yeah, you don't really feel all the time. 659 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,960 Like there's that, you know, like there's a great fervor and 660 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,960 like urgency for you to respond to, you know, this great call to 661 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,120 adventure in the challenge of leadership and, and, and being a 662 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:34,080 man in the same way as you might have felt, you know, you know, 663 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,760 like Deacon Larry fighting in in Korea. 664 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,400 Yeah, you, you say that in my my first thought is like, man, I 665 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,640 don't know because I struggle with that too. 666 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,200 For sure, right? I mean, we all do. 667 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,880 And what I'm I'm losing much in a thought here. 668 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:54,360 Yeah, I struggle with that too. And I look on my life and it's 669 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:01,200 like when I feel like I'm being my best self is whenever I have 670 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,760 a lot on my plate, whenever I don't have an option but to show 671 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,760 up. There's no other option but for 672 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,760 me to to actually be the man, be the leader that I need to be. 673 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,000 But I don't know how that creates a sense of urgency 674 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,120 because you're right. Whenever I'm just answering a 675 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,880 team's message or whenever I'm just changing a poopy diaper or 676 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,120 I'm just taking John Henry out on a walk so that my wife can 677 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,040 cook like that, doesn't it? Doesn't strike the same right 678 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,240 chord. Yep. 679 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,320 Yeah. One thought I have is I think we 680 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,240 just have to name the reality for people when we're trying to 681 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:42,200 get them motivated to participate that frankly, it's 682 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,720 not urgent. Like let's just let's just call 683 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,280 it what it is. You are your family is not at 684 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:54,120 stake today, but the the wrong time to participate is when it 685 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,600 becomes urgent. And so if you don't do anything 686 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,360 to form your children, you're going to see the effects of that 687 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,560 today a little bit. You may see the effects of it 688 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,240 next week, next couple months, next couple years. 689 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,600 I'll tell you when you're really going to feel it when they're 690 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:16,280 1617181920212230. And so while it may not feel 691 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,000 urgent to the present moment, when we get home tonight and we 692 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,320 see our kids and they're not talking about, you know, all the 693 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,480 horrible moral decisions that they're making or how they're 694 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,600 going to marry someone that we don't like. 695 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,320 No, it's not urgent today. But we know it's urgent because 696 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,240 we want to recognize that when it comes time for it to be 697 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,800 urgent and it's right in front of you, guess what? 698 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,520 It's probably too late. That, that I, I remember my 699 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,000 thought now and it's, it's similar to that, that I, I came 700 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,560 across this a lot when I was in college and in my early days 701 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,440 post grad and even when I was working in the missionary with 702 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,600 my students. We we romanticize the big 703 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,880 decisions, right? And I used to think this a lot 704 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,400 like, man, like I want to be a martyr. 705 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,080 Yeah. You know, if someone tells me to 706 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,520 pass this out, I'm going to say no and then I'll cut my head 707 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,560 off. But when I have to say no to 708 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,640 myself at 6:00 AM on my way to class, I am not willing to do 709 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:15,280 that. Yeah. 710 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,120 And it's like I I remember these big things, but in all these 711 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,120 little ways that Jesus invited me to say yes to him, I say no. 712 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,800 So it's like, how can I expect myself to say yes in the in the 713 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,320 biggest moment when I'm not even willing to say yes in the small 714 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,080 things? I think this goes back to, to 715 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,160 what you're saying right right now. 716 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,720 It's the small things right now. My, my kid is five months. 717 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,800 He doesn't talk about anything, you know, And it's like, well, 718 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,040 how's it me changing his diaper not going to affect anything. 719 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,320 But it's like, yeah, again, there's all these small 720 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,280 invitations right now to accept the cross of my life that are 721 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,200 going to add up and are going to matter when John Henry's 20, 722 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,120 when he's 30, when our future kids are that age, God 723 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,480 willingly. But if I'm not willing to enter 724 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,560 into that now, if I'm not willing to embrace that cross 725 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,920 now, how do I expect myself to embrace that cross, which is 726 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,680 much harder? And so I think what we need when 727 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,720 we are lulled to sleep with the reality that it's not urgent 728 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:16,160 today, it may not be urgent tomorrow, but it may be urgent 729 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,560 in a few years or a few months or when that big decision comes 730 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,880 is daily reminders. Daily reminders that there 731 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,400 there's a battle at place, that it needs leaders, it needs 732 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,880 captains are called to participate. 733 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,960 And so something I love is the speech The Man in the Arena by 734 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,960 Theodore Roosevelt. So to close the podcast, I'm 735 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,680 going to read it and we're going to end there because this is 736 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,640 something that I like to listen to as that reminder of the the 737 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,480 mundane of my life, that something is actually at stake. 738 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,320 And so if you're a listener and you feel like your life isn't 739 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,560 urgent today, find something, a daily reminder. 740 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,240 Maybe it's a song, maybe it's a Bible verse. 741 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,960 Maybe it's the man in the arena that reminds you of the battle 742 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,400 that you're going to fight. So here we go. 743 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,440 It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how 744 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,080 strong man stumble or whether the doer of deeds could have 745 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,040 done them better. The credit belongs to the man 746 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,040 who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust, 747 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,360 sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who airs, but who 748 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,000 comes up short again and again because there is no effort 749 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,840 without error and no effort without shortcoming. 750 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,000 But who does actually strive to do the deeds? 751 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,320 Who knows great enthusiasm, great devotion, who spends 752 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,320 himself for a worthy cause day in and day out? 753 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,600 Who at the best knows that in the end the triumph of high 754 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,480 achievement, And who at the worst, if he fails, at least 755 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,760 fails while he dares greatly so that his place shall never be 756 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,920 with those cold and timid souls who neither no victory nor no 757 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,120 defeat? Theodore Roosevelt, This is the 758 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,040 All In podcast and we are three men who want to be in the arena 759 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,360 day in and day out. If you're a man who wants to 760 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,040 join us, then make sure to subscribe, make sure to like, 761 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,680 make sure to comment, and most importantly, make sure to share 762 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,400 with a brother, with a friend, with a mentor who you love, who 763 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,800 you respect, and who you want to be a leader with you in that 764 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,200 arena day in and day out. We want to take our lives 765 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,840 seriously and we want to do it with you all in together. 766 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,760 This is the All In podcast. We'll see you in the next one.