Fellas, do you guys feel like you need something in your life
that is hard, something that is difficult, something that forms
your character outside of just your job?
Well fellas, this is the spot for you.
This is the episode for you. Today we're going to dive into
why work alone can't satisfy your craving for doing
challenging things in your life as a man, as a father, as a
husband, as a friend, and maybe, just maybe as an employee.
This is the All In podcast. Happy to have you.
All right boys, here we are. We are 6 episodes deep into our
Jocko Willink post New Year's episode A Thon and we want to do
hard things. And here we are.
We're sitting back and we are talking about the fact that men
like to do hard things even if they don't say they want to do
hard things. Deep in the heart of every man
is that desire to prove to themselves.
Am I willing, am I able to be under the gun and to prove
myself right when the challenges are difficult.
So when we talk about manhood, one of the things that comes
first to mind is our career and we'll talk about that.
But what I want to talk about is the outside of that, the time
that you're spending outside of your work.
And do men need to have things in their life that are
challenging them? My answer is going to be yes,
but I'd like to dive into why that is.
Fellas, what do you think men need outside of their work to
continual continually challenge them?
Well, I think for so many of us, work just becomes our identity.
It's easy for us to escape into work there.
You know, in a lot of, you know, lines of work, there's
opportunity for continuous advancement.
You know, if I can do well here, then I can advance in in this
way or can I get a raise here, I'll get a promotion or I'll be
noticed more like whatever it is.
And so it's really easy just to focus, you know, all of your
mental energy and honestly, a lot of your physical energy as
well as, you know, going into the workplace, which honestly is
not necessarily a bad, a bad thing.
You know, to be, to be driven at work and to seek, you know, I, I
would say, you know, personal and company wide achievement in,
in your, in your line of work. But then ultimately that could
become obsession. You know, something that this is
just kind of a little bit of a side note, I guess.
But I was, I went on a, a walk with my boys recently and that
I, it was one of the first times I realized like, Oh my gosh,
I've kind of been obsessed by work recently where it's on my
mind all the time. And that becomes mentally
exhausting, like even in the evenings and things like that.
And normally with my boys, you know, like if we're going to, if
we're going to do something together as a family, it's like
pre planned, like we've got from this time to this time.
And my goal is to accomplish this in over the course of this
one hour that I have with them, you know, and then, you know,
that again, you know, I have a tendency to kind of be uptight
about things. But I was finishing a workout
the other day and my kids usually hang out in the garage
with me while I'm while I'm working out, particularly if
it's in the in the afternoon. And then afterwards I was like,
you want to go on a walk? And we just went on this like
leisurely stroll or there was no activity.
And that was one of the first times that I realized like, Oh
my gosh, I think I haven't, you know, I haven't allowed myself
to enjoy leisure like this in a, in a long time outside, outside
of work. And so right now, this is a
question that I'm even asking myself right now is that family
life can kind of become all consuming.
Work can kind of become all consuming.
Like, is there another area of my life right now where I can, I
don't know, pursue greatness, you know, outside of just work?
Does that make sense what I'm saying?
Yeah, I think that's why I picked up golf, you know?
Yeah, yeah. No, for sure you're pursuing
greatness. Get your mind.
Trying to get. Trying to get a time.
Tour card you know in a couple of years chasing scratch here.
No, yeah, I, I, I totally agree with you.
Like, yeah. I think there, there's a desire
in the, in, in many men that we know and many men that maybe
we're walking with that in, in friendship that there's
something about work where work is demanding.
And, and I think it should be demanding.
If you have a career where you feel each day like you didn't
add a ton of value or you weren't challenged.
Those are days where I personally feel kind of
worthless in my, in my job versus days where I feel
challenged are days where I leave the office and I'm like,
man, really felt like I got a lot done today.
Felt really invigorated. I felt engaged in my work.
But I do think that when challenge comes from work, it
isn't necessarily chosen by you. It's placed upon you by outside
pressures. Could be a boss breathing down
your neck saying, hey, we need the slide deck by this deadline.
It could be hitting quota of your sales for that quarter.
It could be a stress of needing to perform so that you can get
that raised or or get that stipend or get that bonus.
And and I think that those things build confidence, but
they don't build nearly as much confidence as when you're
choosing stress and obstacles for yourself, when the obstacles
aren't outside imposed, but are somewhat self-imposed.
And so you're choosing the hard thing.
And then you also get to see the results of the thing that you're
choosing for yourself and not that is being asked of you.
Have you seen that Jose in in career or outside of?
Of just like choosing hard things for myself.
The difference between choosing it for yourself versus that
being placed upon you in your work or by an outside influence.
Yeah, it's funny, I my whole life I've just always struggled
with authority. And I was talking to a friend
last night of like, remember in school when you know, they'd ask
you to like, read a book and you have this much time?
Well, now I don't want to do it, but if I pick up this book on my
own, I'll read it in like 3 days and it's like, and that's kind
of similar. I, I feel like a lot of times at
work, I'm asked to do something hard in the most like me.
Why are you asking me? Like, I don't want to do this.
But when I, when I'm the one seeking it out, I'm a lot more
bought and there's more at stake.
I feel like because I'm actually willing to engage this, you
know, that's what you're asking. But I do feel like there's a
little funny caveat for me specifically, that whenever it's
asked of me, I will do everything in my power to combat
it because I don't like to be told what to do.
And I just need to grow up, you know?
And when you choose it for yourself, what's what's the
opposite of that? I think when I choose it for
myself, I'm a lot more open to failure, right?
And maybe that's why I don't like being asked to do things.
When I choose something for myself, I'm a lot more open to
failure and learning from that. If it's something that's really
hard that I know is going to challenge me, well, I'm I'm in
this because I chose to and I mess up.
Then I can grow from that and I can do something better next
time and I can keep growing and keep growing.
If someone asked me to do something, if I fail, that could
affect how that person sees me and I don't want.
That I'm wondering Clayton in your in your new role, it's a
lot more outcome based. It's like if your job is to
raise a certain amount of money and you're trying to hit that
goal. And I think that often times
some of my frustration in work comes from I feel like I don't
control the results because I am leaning on other people to help
me provide the outcome that I'm looking for.
Someone described to me working on a teams, like being in a
giant group project in college where it's just like you need
the other people to contribute to actually get the outcome that
you're looking for. And, and also in work, often
times effort doesn't equal the results that you put in.
So you put all the effort in, but maybe you're not seeing the
outcome on the other end. And I'm wondering if your kind
of new career has shown you that in a new way?
For sure, definitely. I, I think that all of us want
to be able to control events and control outcomes.
And sometimes you can do everything right and not get the
outcome that you want. And sometimes you can do
everything right, you know, over a period of time and, you know,
over a period of time, still not get the outcome that you want.
And so I think that, you know, particularly being new in a role
where I'm having to, I'm, I'm learning, like I'm growing,
there's a lot that I don't know, there's a lot of experience that
I don't have. I want to see, you know, things
change quicker than maybe maybe, you know, than they are, are
currently. You know, I'm like, I want to
be, I want to be good at what I'm doing, but there's certain,
there's only certain things that that I can, I can control.
And so I think that, you know, with what I'm doing right now,
you know, I can't necessarily control the outcomes, but I can
control what I do on a daily basis.
And is is that frustrating to you that you're like, I could do
everything right today and still not see that outcome?
I think where the frustration comes from is that like you were
saying, you know, I, I think in a lot of ways, like where I'm,
I'm working right now, the, what leadership wants to see is
great, is really great inputs. Because if you have really great
inputs over six months, you might not see results.
But if you have really great inputs over 12345 years, you're
going to, you're going to get some, you're going to get some
wins, you know, And so I think the frustrating experience is
not necessarily, you know, I'm not, I'm not getting the results
that I want. I think where the frustration
comes in is that, you know, I want other people to see me
doing well. And if I'm, if things are not
going well, they must think that I'm doing things poorly.
Does that make, you know, you know what I'm saying there?
They must think that I'm, I'm, I'm doing things poorly.
And then it becomes a, you know, a point of a point of
insecurity. And so I think just, you know,
in, in any role that you're in. I was talking to a friend the
other day who's in, who's in real estate and I was asking
him, you know what it's, you know, just a little bit more
about what it's like he's done. He's, he's absolutely crushed in
real estate, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's
closing on houses every single month.
That might mean he closes, you know, 6 houses in January and he
doesn't close any in February or March.
I was like, how do you, how do you, what is that like for you?
Because you know, it's not, I'm, I know I'm not in the role where
there's any sort of Commission or anything like that.
But for him, he's got his own brokerage and every, you know,
every outcome. Doesn't this affect, you know,
his quote UN quote work performance?
It actually effects his, his actual income that that comes in
at the end of every month. And he's like, you know, I've
been doing this for five years now.
And he's like, what it comes down to for me is if I can
commit to my daily disciplines, he's like, I, I've seen it, I've
seen it work already too many times.
And that if I can just commit to these daily things, you know, I
might not have the outcome that I want on any given day or any
given week or any given month, But I know that if I continually
do this every single day over a long period of time, ultimately
the outcome is going to be successful.
And what that looks like for him as he's cold outreaching to 100
people a day. That's it's, it's three social
media posts and outcome in and then cold outreach to 100 people
a day. He's like, if I can do that
every single day, the winds are going to pile up in in my
corner. Something I want to go back to
you, though, John Michael is just the idea.
I don't want to give the impression that, you know, work
is something that's that's placed upon you, you know,
because back to your, your, your point, Jose, like we, you know,
where you work is where you chose, you applied there, you
were accepted there. Like, you know, it's not like no
one's fortunate. No one forced you to do any of
this. If you wanted to go home and and
sit on your butt or, or do something else, you know, you,
you could do that today if you wanted to, you know.
And so the idea of things being, you know, placed, placed upon
you and work, it might feel that way sometimes.
But ultimately it's like, yeah, you've got to be there might be
someone else telling you what to do, but you have to be able to
choose that for yourself at the same time.
And I think that also applies to all of us are parents now that
applies to parenting. It's like, hey, you know, your
kids spilled the milk. Did that, did that happen to
you? No, it's like, no, you like this
was an intentional decision to marry your wife and to have
children. And there's things, there's
things that are going to happen that you don't necessarily want,
but you have to be willing to choose for yourself.
And so, you know, between the demands of work and the demands
of parenting, you know, I, that's, that's a, in my mind,
that's a really full life of like choosing something
challenging for yourself outside of that.
And this is what I'd be curious to explore.
Or like, what are some of those avenues for challenge that
perhaps you've explored in your own life or that you've seen
other men explore in terms of, you know, finding a challenge
outside of the regular daily demands of, of parenting and,
and work? Like what does that look like?
I mean, for me, it's exercising. That's like my number one
challenge outside of work. I mean, me and Clayton got in a
wonderful workout this morning. It was this morning was like top
five workouts in my last year. We had four dads in my home gym
this morning in a very tight space.
It was very hot. Multiple men were shirtless.
There's sweat on the floor. There's music bumping.
It's 5:30 in the morning. Both my kids are awake and
they're downstairs there with us.
That was hilarious. It was 530 and my kids are just
like what is going on in here. But it was just so fun because
we were we were suffering together as dads, as men at 5:30
in the morning. We knocked off the hardest thing
to do in the morning and then by 6:30 we were ready to go.
So I love that. For me, why I fell in love with
with exercising is when when I trained for a marathon or a
triathlon or a high rocks race or whatever, the outcome is only
based on me. And that is different from my
work where in my work I have to rely on other people.
Now I want to make this clear, relying on other people is a
good thing. self-reliance is a bad thing.
But in my life I like having a few things where it's just like
it's just about John Michael. If he does the work, then the
outcome will come. If I don't have the race I want,
it was my fault because I didn't train appropriately.
If I did the work appropriately, then I'll see the outcome that I
put into it. And that's why I love training
for these things and competing in these things is because I get
to see the outcome that I put into it.
And I only can blame myself and I can only celebrate myself,
which is different maybe from from working on a team with
other people in your career. Now outside of exercise, you
know, I, I read a, a sub stack for, for dads that I really
enjoy. That's something I'm doing
outside of work. And then and then obviously
family life, but I'm curious, are there other things outside
of exercise? I think that's a natural one for
many men. I.
Feel like it's the most common? Most common are the things
outside of that the guys can find.
Yeah, and I'm, and I'm wondering too, and maybe this is just part
of, you know, just had her first kid.
It's been 5 months, but it's still like I'm, I feel like I'm
still like trying to figure out any sort of steadiness or maybe
being OK with there not being the same type of steadiness and
kind of adapting to that. Where am I current now?
I'm like, oh, I, I, I, I don't know if I have time to add
something else, do anything, you know, I'm like, because it,
when, for the last couple of years and especially the year
before son was born, I, I think I, I started getting back into
working out and like lifting weights now wasn't anything, I
wasn't training for anything, but it was like something hard
that I was doing. I had some goals and I was like
challenging myself. But then we had a kid and it's
like, it's, it's not stressful, it's not chaotic.
It's just, I just feel like I'm not back in my group and I don't
know if you guys felt the same way after your first, but I'm
like, yeah, I don't even, I can't fit consistently like
working out into my schedule right now.
How can I? Even conceptualize of a
different idea that's not working out, you know to add
something hard. So to hear from you on too.
I mean I. It took me like 6 months to get
out of the fog after my first kid and I think the beauty is
with each kid the fog shortens. Hangover.
Time get shorter and shorter to where, you know, after the third
kid, it was like 2 weeks and now we're, we're back into a rhythm
and I'm hoping that's quick. Well, I mean, part of it is you
have to because there's other kids that need to be on a
routine and get to school and you know, the, the life doesn't
stop just because there's a new baby.
So where's like the first one? Everything stops.
And you have an excuse and the whole family can change where
when you have other kiddos and the new one comes in, you can't
be like, hey guys, we're going to lock the house for six
months. We're not going to leave until
the baby's six month old. You just got to go.
So I'm, I'm wondering 11 area I found is like me and Clayton
both did our NBA's post grad while we were working full time.
And it was a grind. I mean it, it really sucked at
certain points, late nights, early mornings, but that was an
area where I felt like I was able to apply challenge and
difficulty outside of my career. I'm wondering what that was like
in your grad school experience. Yeah, it.
Was really, it was really difficult.
I I. I think about that.
I'm like, how did I do that? Oh, I.
Just you. You graduated.
How long ago was it? Yeah, I think. 20/20/23 I
finished the MBA OK, so I just. Graduated with my MBA from the
University of Dallas in August 2025.
So it took me, I started in May 2023.
So it took me, you know, 2 full years and then a summer semester
where I did my, I did my capstone and I think, you know,
the, the first year of classes, I was really into it.
I was like, this is, I'm so glad to be going back to school again
and to be studying. There's something I missed about
studying, you know, where you just, you go into the library
late at night at Texas A&M, you're in Evans library on 6th
floor. It's dead quiet up there.
And you're just kind of able to, to put on your iPod maxes and
just just grind, you know, private school kid.
And, you know, I just hadn't had that experience for a long time.
So the first year was really fun and then the last, you know, I
guess it was, you know, 15 months after that, I was
honestly, there was a large part of me that was just like, I just
want this to, to be over, you know, But as there was still a
requirement of me of like, yeah, this is something that I
committed to. This is something that I want to
do. And there's moments where I
don't feel like that I want to do it, but there's a sweetness
and being able to look back and be like, you know, not only did
I do that, but my family did it with me because there were
sacrifices that my wife made for me to be, you know, studying
late at night or to be getting some things done on Saturday
morning and things like that. So it was a it was a family
affair. Something I'm thinking about
though, John, Michael, and this is I think where where you and I
differ a little bit is that, you know, in in terms of you're
someone that I think is always looking for a challenge.
Unfortunately, much to the chagrin of my wife, frequently.
What do you What do you call? It you call it strategic
strategic commitment. Not an addictive personality.
Strategic. Commitment, not an addictive
personality. So, you know, I, I ran, I've run
1/2 marathon in my life and my goal was sub two hours.
I ran it in one 5940. But the thing was, is that when
I was looking at the, when I was looking at the finish line, you
know how your chip time is different from the finishing
time? Well, the clock was ticked.
It was like 15950. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm
not going to finish. And so I I did a full on Sprint
for like the last 150 meters. Well, it didn't look.
Pretty it probably. Didn't look as cool as I thought
it did, you know from from my own experience.
And I crossed the finish line. They tried to hand me a
finishers medal and I refused it because I thought it was a
doughnut. And then I saw these people
taking pictures with their medals.
I was like, where'd you guys get that?
They're like, oh, they're handing it out at the finish
line. And the guy was like, Are you
sure you don't want one? I was like, no, I like, don't,
don't give it to you. Well, that was the only half
marathon that I've ever done. And it was a lot of fun setting
a goal and then accomplishing it.
But honestly, for the most part in my life, like recently, you
know, I was, I was setting goals for for the new quarter and one
of the things that I was realizing was that I had a lot
of concrete goals for work. The the rest of the goals that I
set weren't necessarily goals. They were more so habits,
activities that I just. Want to make a part of my life?
Yeah. It was like, you know, I want
to, you know, I want to make sure that I'm in the habit of,
you know, having, you know, time for silent prayer every day.
I want to make sure that I'm praying my rosary every single
day. I want to make sure that I have
a couple sessions of, of lifting weights and then some, some,
some cardio in there as well, you know, and, and the goal is
to be able to do that, you know, four to five times a week type
of thing. And I would say that, you know,
and then in addition to that, you know, goal of reading, you
know, a certain amount of books over the year.
And so I've got a list of books that I'm trying to read.
And I would say that, you know, a lot of those things that I'm
doing, I, I would say are at the service of the other main things
of my life. And I would say the two main
things of my life are my, my workplace and my, and my family
life, you know, where I view, you know, my, you know, you
know, wanting to commit to reading as, you know,
sharpening, sharpening my mind to be better in the workplace
and to be a better husband and father, you know, And then when
I look at exercising, it's like, yeah, I want to continue to stay
in shape for the, the, the sake of the sake of my family.
And then also, you know, for my career as well, you know, And so
I see those things at the service of these other main
things in my life, Whereas I think you're a little bit
different and that like you have an, you have an entirely
different goal that you set for yourself that you're, you're
going out to accomplish. And I would say I, I admire that
and I enjoy doing the half marathon.
That's really not something, frankly, that I have
consistently in my life. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know if it's a good thing, frankly.
I, I think it's probably something that's a vice in a lot
of ways is I am, I am to a fault, driven to the point where
it is so hard for me to turn it off.
Paternity leave, my least favorite two weeks of the year.
What am I supposed? To do just sit around for two
weeks, help the baby, you know, and I'm saying this fully
vulnerable that I know that is not a good thing, right?
But I we're having our our 4th baby here in a little bit and
I'm dreading paternity leave. Because I'm like, I can't.
I can't accomplish anything. I can't accomplish anything.
I can't do anything. Last paternity leave, I all of a
sudden within two days had bought a window cleaning kit and
had cleaned all the exterior windows in our entire house
within two days. By the time a week ended, Emily
was like, can you please go back to work?
You are driving me crazy that. Is awesome, so I I.
Don't think it's there's some good things about it and I think
to the world it looks attractive.
But just in my. Humanity and in my marriage it's
caused, frankly, a lot of issues because I'm so driven by
outcomes. That is so.
Hard for me to sit back and just be OK with a process or a habit.
And I actually, it's funny you mention that as I sat back and
looked at my 2026 year, that was something I took away was last
year I made ten annual goals and they were very specific and they
were very outcome based. I want 75% of this.
I want this, I want this. And so for 2026, I just decided
I'm not making any goals. I'm not making any goals.
I'm making goals internally that just are like, I just want to be
a better father this year, not outcome based, not I want to
spend 45 minutes per day in intentional time with my
children, but I'm not setting goals for 2026.
And you know, we're, we're a couple months in now and, and
it's been hard because I don't have any races on my calendar to
look forward to. I don't have any kind of KPIs
that I'm looking to as a as a father and as a husband.
And it's really challenging for me.
But that is producing a lot of fruit in my life because I am
learning that outcome is not the end all be all of who I am as a
person. And I have lived most of my life
thinking that outcome and a result and a success metric is
the thing that defines me. And that's going to be a
lifelong, lifelong journey. 2026 has been very helpful so far and
I hope we, I hope I move it forward.
Amen. Thanks for sharing all that.
Yeah, you bet, man. You bet.
As we as we come close to time here, one question here is how
do we create a life that challenges us without making us
suffer in ways that we don't need to?
How do how do we create an environment where we're being
challenged, but we're not taking additional suffering on that we
just don't need in our lives? There there's a quote that I've
been reflecting on recently from a St.
Saint John of the Cross, who I believe was 16th century. 16th.
Century St. If my give or take a couple of
centuries is is is correct. But he said in in the twilight
of our life, we will be, we will be judged by love alone.
In the twilight of her life, we will be judged by love alone.
And just made me reflect on, you know, so much of so much of my
life is chasing the next thing. So much of my life is, is trying
to, you know, accomplish the next thing.
And I'm, I'm less concerned with, you know, how my character
was built in the midst of the thing that I was doing.
And I'm more concerned with, you know, the outcome and the goal
that I've set my for myself and trying to trying to accomplish
it. And something I think to, to
take away from the strong, Michael, is that I don't think,
you know, you described your, you know, pursuit of the
challenge almost as if it were a vice.
And, and, and maybe taken too far, it, it can be, you know,
But I think ultimately between our, you know, philosophies,
particularly, I guess around exercise, you could say, whereas
maybe I'm a little bit more of a, of a casual exerciser, you
know, you know, I think something in pursuing a
challenge is that there's a, there's a higher level of
accountability with that. I'm going to run this race in
four months from now. And there's these habits that I
need to have in my life in order to be, in order to be prepared
for that race in the way, in the way that I want to be.
And so that that race is holding me accountable to becoming the
man that I want to be in the midst of my daily life, which is
I want to be someone that stays in shape and exercises every
day, you know, And that that race is the thing that's holding
me accountable to building the character and helping me become
the man that I that I want to be.
And yes, like there's an outcome associated with that.
And if I don't hit it, at least I can look back and say, well,
you know, there was. My character was shaped in that
and I committed to the things that I wanted to commit to in
order in order to achieve the goal that that I wanted.
I didn't get there, and that's OK.
But I was shaped along the way in the in the midst of that
process. Or you can say I didn't do the
things that I committed to and I failed in that race because of
it. I have something to improve upon
the next time. And so I think, you know, you
can find that in the form of a challenge like a race.
You can also find that in the form, honestly, of just
brotherhood with one another of just, you know, yeah, I've set
all these habits for myself, yourself.
You know, the way that you've held yourself accountable to
those things is by having the challenge out in front of you.
But there's another way to have that as well, which is just,
hey, you know, here's here's the the goal of of what I'm I'm
going after. Maybe I don't have a race at the
end of it, but I'm checking in with a friend of like, hey, I'm
doing these things because I want to be a husband and father.
That's that's in shape. I want to be a husband and
father that works hard and works toward a goal.
I want to be a husband and father that commits to reading
every single day. I want to be a husband and
father takes time for prayer, you know, every, every single
day. And so I think that's something
to, you know, reflect upon is that, you know, you can have
that exterior form of the of a challenge as well, but you can
also allow yourself to, you know, set these, you know,
habitual goals and then look for accountability outside of just
the challenge itself. And both are good.
That's right, you know, and it's all about, you know, your your
character formation in the midst of that.
And then if the outcome becomes more important, then frankly,
growing in in character, which is going to allow you to to love
greater then we're I think we're missing the mark a little bit.
It's beautiful, it's beautiful and it's, it's actually touching
on just some reflections I've had.
You know, me and Clayton, we, we got to go to Cancun couple
months ago with our wives. We got to celebrate our, our 7th
anniversary for me and my wife's 6th anniversary for you and your
wife. And on that trip, we each took a
day to just spend a whole day with our wives.
And me and my wife took that day to just reflect and just see,
are we on course with the life we want to live as a family?
And my reflection from that. But my take away from that trip
was I am so addicted to the outcome and that outcome doesn't
actually matter. Like I'm, I'm racing, I've been
training for this high rocks race.
I want to go sub 70. It's been a big goal of mine.
I'm chasing after it. I will be devastated if I don't
hit it. And I just had this realization
of like, who The Who? Who cares?
I'm a 29 year old dad who's racing a race that nobody really
cares about for a time that nobody really cares about.
Who cares? Like if I don't hit it, that
doesn't matter at the end of the day.
What matters is when we reach the gates of heaven, does the
Lord say, well done, my good and faithful servant?
And so if I got the career promotion, if I got the outcome
I was looking for, if I hit all my scorecard metrics for myself,
those things do not matter at the end of the day.
And what matters is, do we create a life of comfort or do
we create a life of challenge that is forcing us to be the man
that God is asking us to be. A man who's willing to take on
responsibility, a man who's all in on holiness, but recognizes
that it's difficult and that's why we need each other.
And so fellas, as you guys are sitting back and looking at your
future, don't be tempted to look at outcomes.
Don't be tempted to just look at what is hard, but rather be
committed to becoming a man that has the character to take on the
challenges, the difficulties of being someone who is in the
arena, taking on everyday responsibilities with humility
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