1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,920 So here's the deal, there is a lot of talk going on right now 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,360 about this idea of hustle culture. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,560 What does it actually mean? Does it mean that if you're not 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,320 tired that you're actually living life right? 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,840 Well, here at the All In podcast, we might think a little 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,520 bit differently. We don't highlight burnout. 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,720 Honestly, we're going to try to avoid it and that's what we're 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,720 going to dive in here. My name is John Michael Lucido. 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,480 These are my 2 guests, Clayton, Jose and this is the All In 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,640 podcast. You're going to want to be here 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,200 so grab a coke 0, find somewhere cozy and lock in. 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:51,480 Let's hustle. All right fellas, so we're 13 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:53,080 talking about hustle culture today. 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,400 First thing when you think of hustle culture, go first thought 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,320 in your mind. 4:00 AM. Wake up at 4:00. 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,640 Wake up at 4, OK? Rise and grind. 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,640 I think Kobe, Kobe Bryant. You think he was up at 4:00 one 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:10,880 time. You think Kobe woke up. 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,520 He had his whole. Schedule, right? 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,360 You might know this better than me, but he had like a whole 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,080 schedule where he would, he would sleep, he would break his 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,480 day down into four different days, I think, or something like 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,320 that. And he would like sleep two 24 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,360 hours, wake up, workout, eat. Asleep. 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,400 Practice. I'm going to sleep in for four 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:28,920 hours like. Something. 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,240 Like I had a friend who died in college and it did not. 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,880 That's not the way the body is. Yeah, that's. 29 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Because he's not Kobe Bryant. I don't think Kobe Bryant's body 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:35,920 I. Don't think Kobe actually did 31 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,800 that, but the story that I was thinking about with Kobe is that 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,320 I guess it might have been the 2008 Olympics or something like 33 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:45,840 that. And all of the, the, the rest of 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,280 the team, you know, they were, they had a week long break or 35 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,160 whatever. They all went out to the bars, 36 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,200 the casinos, whatever it was, Kobe. 37 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,360 Kobe stayed back. And the rest of the team was 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,800 rolling back into the hotel at like, you know, at 4:00 in the 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,000 morning. And he's in the gym and they see 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,840 Kobe coming back from the gym with the he's just drenched in 41 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,080 sweat with a towel around his neck. 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,680 And that's when they all realized like, Oh my gosh, he's 43 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,440 this. Is Olympians. 44 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,200 These are Olympians. These are Olympians and they're 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,720 the ones saying this guy's. Built. 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,800 I don't work hard enough, yeah. When I when I think of hustle 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,680 culture, I think of guys invests. 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,680 Finance pros. Yeah, Finance pros, have you 49 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,600 heard of, have you heard of finance slop? 50 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,360 Have you heard this term? No, no. 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,480 So my brother is a faithful listener to the podcast. 52 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,920 Shout out Luke. Glad you're here. 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,400 He works in in, you know, corporate America, does sales 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,680 for a pharmaceutical company. And I was just hanging out with 55 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,080 him and he was telling me about finance slop. 56 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,920 And I was like, yeah, what? I'm so interested. 57 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,600 Like tell me about that. And he's like, now there's a 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,280 whole term to describe like Chipotle bowls, cava bowls, like 59 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,880 any of those like bowl based lunch places that it's just like 60 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,560 rice meat, you know, queso, whatever. 61 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,160 And now it's this whole term that they're just being called 62 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,680 finance slop because all of these vested finance Bros are 63 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,800 ordering, you know, 30 Chipotle bowls. 64 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,800 And it's just, it's just finance slop. 65 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,000 You're just eating a bowl of slop for lunch. 66 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:20,120 The finance slop is the food. It's the food. 67 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,000 It's like a term to describe like a Chipotle. 68 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Bowl, for example. Wow. 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,880 So it was hilarious. You know, I just, I just read an 70 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,640 article that Kurt Signetti gets the same Chipotle bowl order 71 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,520 every single day and he has an intern pick it up and the 72 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,600 interns favorite perk of the job is that he gets to keep all the 73 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,520 Chipotle points. It's a directive 64,000 Chipotle 74 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,360 points from getting Kurt Sicknetti's. 75 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,960 I don't know what he gets. Probably double chicken. 76 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,040 He he gets, yeah, it's some sort of bowl. 77 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,320 I mean, a lot of a lot of high performers are famous for eating 78 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,920 the same things everyday. So Clayton, you recommended a 79 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,720 great book to me, Leadership Secrets of Nick Saban. 80 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,200 And it goes through his diet every morning, cup of black 81 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,120 coffee, 2 Little Debbie oatmeal cream pies for lunch, salad with 82 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:08,160 chopped up Turkey, like, but like lunch meat Turkey, That's 83 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,680 it. And then dinner obviously was 84 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,280 probably, you know, with recruits or yeah, whatever, 85 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,720 whatever. Miss Miss Terry Scott. 86 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,120 So there there's something about hustle culture that values that 87 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,880 like super regimented way of life. 88 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,320 Like I have such decision fatigue that I only have six of 89 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,840 the exact same shirt, six of the exact same pants, and six pairs 90 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,200 of underwear because I can't stand the decision in the 91 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,920 morning of what to wear. So when you're thinking of 92 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,000 hustle culture, do you think our world glorifies that right now? 93 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,800 Or do you think that they look at it as a as a cringe or a 94 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,040 meme? I think it's definitely 95 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,040 glorified. It's like the busyness culture, 96 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,200 I guess. You remember in college, you 97 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,600 know how it felt at times it felt like everyone was trying to 98 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:54,600 out busy each other. Oh. 99 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,440 I remember that very well. I think that's the same thing, 100 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,840 no, like the hustle culture of like, however busy I am, that's 101 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:05,640 how like, successful I am or how hard working. 102 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,080 I don't know, but you know, yeah. 103 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,840 You think you think busyness is a packed schedule? 104 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Or do you think busyness is a lot of responsibilities? 105 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,240 That's a good question. I think, I mean, I think those 106 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,440 go, they can go hand in hand, but they don't always go hand in 107 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,480 hand necessarily. I think people probably busy 108 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,280 themselves way more than actually their responsibilities 109 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,480 require of them. I think that could be true, 110 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,960 yeah. I think the I, I'm on a kick 111 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,480 right now. You guys know the all in 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,440 podcast. We are, we go on these kicks 113 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,840 for, you know, a week or two at a time. 114 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,720 And it's it's about the book, the anxious generation and it's 115 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,280 about the phone based childhood and what technology has done to 116 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,480 our brain pathways. But I think what's added to the 117 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,960 hustle culture is having to be fully available and having 118 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,120 access to e-mail and work related communication on your 119 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,680 telephone. Sorry, I've been reading too 120 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,160 much anxious generation on your cell phone, on your smartphone 121 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,360 at all times. Because now you may look like a 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,280 bad employee if you don't reply all to that e-mail at 8:00 PM. 123 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,960 You're going to look like the guy who just doesn't care if you 124 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,200 haven't answered that e-mail that your boss sent at 7:00 PM 125 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,720 by the time that you show up to work the next morning at 8:00 126 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,040 AM. And I think that's costing a lot 127 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:34,800 of people because they feel like I'm getting behind if I'm not 128 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,560 checking my e-mail on Saturdays and Sundays. 129 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:41,200 I'm getting behind if I haven't prepared my Monday work day on 130 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Sunday evening so that when I get to work on Monday, I'm ready 131 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,280 to go. What? 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,240 How do you draw boundaries there in a in a culture that says you 133 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,000 get ahead if you're always available? 134 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,040 Because men need promotion. They need, you know, they need 135 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,600 to get more responsibilities at work, but at what cost? 136 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,480 This is you might have to help me with my thoughts here because 137 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,520 I'm trying to say something but I don't entirely know what I'm 138 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,120 trying to say at the same time. That describes this podcast in a 139 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,800 sentence. I just don't really think that 140 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,040 people know what's required of them and their roles all the 141 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,880 time. Yes, I think that in our in, in, 142 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,320 in work or in, in family life, we tend to react to things 143 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,720 rather than, you know, set priorities that, that drive 144 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,160 specific, specific outcomes. And so for me, like when I, the, 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,800 the way that I, I, I work at home is I have a very particular 146 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,520 work day startup routine and it goes like this. 147 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,800 I, I keep my, I keep my e-mail at inbox zero. 148 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,160 OK, so you're one of those, I'm one of those, I'm one of those. 149 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,640 So every morning we go through quickly delete, you know, the 150 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,000 the morning brew or whatever other, you know, I'll look 151 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,280 through it briefly, whatever it is, identify like the actual 152 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,800 things that are coming through the e-mail that I need to take 153 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,960 action on. And then I'll add those to my 154 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,960 task manager To Do List. And then I'll use To Do List to, 155 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,200 to kind of see everything that I need to get done that day. 156 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,480 I'll check Microsoft Teams, see if there's any messages that I 157 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,560 missed and, and try to capture those and put them in to do so 158 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,360 that I can kind of start my day. Like here's all of the things 159 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,360 that that I need to do. But one of the things that, that 160 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,520 I've, I think that I've struggled with is that often 161 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,799 times there's like all these things that pop into my mind of 162 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:37,600 like, oh, I need to do this, I need to do this, I need to do 163 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,159 this, I need to do this. And then I just plug them into 164 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,280 my To Do List and then I'll open it up and I've got all of these 165 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,840 things that I need to do. And I don't really know which 166 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,280 ones are a priority. And a lot of them are just 167 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,640 reactions to, you know, something, something that popped 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,080 up. And it keeps me from actually 169 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,600 sitting back and asking myself, you know, where am I right now? 170 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,880 What are my goals and what do what things do I need to set for 171 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,720 myself in order to get there? And so then your work just ends 172 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,880 up becoming, you know, a series of responses throughout the day 173 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,120 that that end up becoming endless. 174 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,040 And then you have decision fatigue and, you know, makes 175 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:14,800 life harder. So. 176 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,400 I think that is brilliant and I, I think you're exactly right 177 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,800 that that's where a lot of employees are at in their 178 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,240 workflow is they're just responding all the time. 179 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,000 They're not taking any time to creatively think. 180 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,040 They're not taking any time to actually like vision cast, not 181 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,440 just like years in the future, not even months in the future, 182 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,080 but just for that day, like all right, today. 183 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,920 What are things I need to get done instead of responding to 184 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,360 whatever urgent issues come up in my work day? 185 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,480 Do you think that like the invention of work based 186 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,920 communication platforms, so like Teams, Slack are there, I don't 187 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,360 know if there's Teams in Slack are the two I'm most familiar 188 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,440 with. I think that's added to hustle 189 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,800 culture a little bit. It used to just be e-mail. 190 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,720 Yeah. But for us now it's you got 6 191 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,240 emails, you got 52 Teams messages coming in. 192 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,480 And are any of those actually moving the needle forward for 193 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:18,440 your job? Yeah, I I guess when you say 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,840 that my first, I was like, oh, I feel like those, what would you 195 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,440 call them? Work based communication. 196 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,400 Work based communication. Platforms, platforms, mediums 197 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,080 like, if anything, they they kind of help separate and like 198 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,560 create more boundaries. You think so? 199 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,480 I don't. Agree. 200 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,360 That was my that was my initial thought of like, oh, that way 201 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,680 that people aren't texting you or people aren't this or people 202 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,200 aren't that. And I see that in my current job 203 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,920 where I'll have a lot of people text me about work. 204 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,080 Yeah, I hate that. And I just like, ignore it if it 205 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,400 doesn't come to teams. Like I don't really. 206 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,160 I obviously I'll eventually get to it, but at 5 PMI kind of 207 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,760 stopped checking teams. And I've had managers before, 208 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,080 like recently tell me like how you need to be checking teams 209 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,160 several times. Like, no, I don't. 210 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,720 And that's a whole different point where like, I think 211 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,040 sometimes most people take themselves too seriously and 212 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,200 their work too seriously. But that was my initial thought. 213 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,720 But then when he said that too, of like, well, before Teams, 214 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,640 before Slack, it was just e-mail. 215 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Now I'm thinking like, OK then yeah, I guess Team Slack has 216 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,680 made a lot easier to just send random stuff that like. 217 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,680 Because if you, if you think about the workplace before these 218 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:29,360 instant messaging platforms, let's say it's 7:00 PM and you 219 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,200 know, as we all do, you put the kids down, your mind start to 220 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,000 wonder a little bit thinking about your work day tomorrow. 221 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,160 Oh, boom, I got to I got to take care of this. 222 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,080 Previously that would have had to be a phone call, right? 223 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,520 Hey, I'm, I'm going to call you about this thing. 224 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,120 But oh, it's seven PMI don't want to bother you. 225 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,200 I'm not going to call. I'll wait till tomorrow till 226 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,760 we're at work. Now you just shoot him a team's 227 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,680 message so that you can get it off your chest and make it 228 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:57,920 somebody else's problem. And that that doesn't help 229 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,560 because now you're creating this world in which that cycle of 230 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,240 constantly sending your problems to somebody else for them to 231 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,120 solve, nothing ever gets done because then they message 232 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,840 somebody else and then that person message to somebody else. 233 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,480 And now it's 9:00 PM and you've created a five Teams message 234 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,000 thread over your little tiny issue that came to your head at 235 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,560 7:00 PM. So I think it's hurt. 236 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,440 I would, I would agree. And there's, you know, Cal 237 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Newport, we read, you know, I've read Deep Work, one of his 238 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,400 books, and then what's the other one? 239 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,040 Digital. Minimalism. 240 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,680 Digital, digital minimalism. And one of the recommendations 241 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:35,480 there is like, hey, you know, these, these tools are tools and 242 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,840 they're meant to be used as tools, which is they're there to 243 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,560 help you. But the problem is that they 244 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:42,600 begin to hinder you rather than help you when you're, when 245 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,200 you're on them all the time. And so he makes these 246 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,120 recommendations of like, you know, you should, when your 247 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,520 notification should be off, you know, you shouldn't, you know, 248 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,880 you shouldn't keep your e-mail open and just constantly be 249 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,760 checking it throughout the day. Well, that's, that's something 250 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,040 that I'm totally guilty of. You know, it's like, I'll just 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,080 go refresh and see if kind of anything, you know, popped up 252 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,800 there. And the recommendation is like, 253 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,720 Hey, have like a, you know, an hour scheduled in or 30 minutes 254 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,040 post lunch, whatever it is to kind of respond to the things 255 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:11,400 that came in and then go back into, go back into a, a, a deep 256 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,680 work block. But I, I think what I've felt 257 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:17,880 and then I think also what I've observed as well is just that 258 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,440 those quick communication things that that's just what people 259 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,560 think that their work, their work is, that's what my work is. 260 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:29,000 And so then they, if you're, if you're only going to check it 261 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,280 during certain times, then it's like, well, what, what do I do 262 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,200 in these, in these other times? You know, it's like, well, you 263 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,960 know, you need to have your own sense of, of agency and a great 264 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,520 understanding of what are you trying to accomplish? 265 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,920 What are you prioritizing? And that's, I think it just, you 266 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,000 know, people would rather just respond to all the things that 267 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,720 come in rather than have to, you know, think for themselves and 268 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,400 ask, you know, I'm in this role. I know what needs to be done. 269 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,000 Let me sit back and think creatively about what I can do 270 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,600 in this, you know, in the two hour block that I have next 271 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,440 Thursday in order to push that forward. 272 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,840 And just, you're just never getting to that point, 'cause 273 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,360 you're in a, a cycle of endless communication. 274 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,560 You know, and we can, we can look back at the, you know, at 275 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:14,000 the glory days of, you know, pre Internet, pre e-mail, Oh my 276 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,600 gosh, that, you know, that would have been so much better. 277 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,880 But that's not a reality. We actually have to think for 278 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,760 ourselves. You know, what do I need to do 279 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,960 in order to create that space for my life so that I can 280 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,160 actually be a productive employee and not someone that's 281 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,040 just putting out fires all day, you know, every day? 282 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,080 One thing that's helped me with this actually came out of this 283 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,320 podcast, so can't remember what episode it was. 284 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,720 We have to go back and look, but we had a conversation about the 285 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,160 brick device. Yeah. 286 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,680 And Clayton was was informing us on the brick device. 287 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,520 So right after the podcast, I purchased one and I've already 288 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,520 used all my emergency on bricks, which Clayton explained in the 289 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,960 episode. But I have it set to where at 290 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,520 5:30 PM mountain time, the brick turns off my Outlook and Teams 291 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,320 on my phone. And that has been so helpful 292 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,640 because it it cuts notifications, obviously, but it 293 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,280 also just takes away the ability to open those apps until the 294 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,240 next morning at 8:00 AM. And I honestly, I should 295 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,080 probably even push it back to maybe 8:30 so I can get the day 296 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,160 started without those things. And it's just been super 297 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,320 helpful. So shout out Brick. 298 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,480 Not sponsored but could be. We are interested but very 299 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,080 helpful and and cool to see the podcast actually helping people 300 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,720 even it's just me. Well, I, I, I, I think you know, 301 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,520 John Michael, I have to, when I use the brick, I have to not 302 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,600 only disallow, you know, Microsoft Teams and Outlook and 303 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,960 e-mail, but I have to do the Internet as well. 304 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,840 And Jose, I think you're probably someone that can, can 305 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,400 relate to this as well. I think you're like me. 306 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,080 And this is that, you know, I have to, I have to disable the, 307 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,160 the web browser on my phone as well, because I'm one of those 308 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,320 people where I just think of something in my head. 309 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,360 My God, I wonder, you know, I, I wonder. 310 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,400 How tall is Fernando Civil? War, you know, and so then I'll 311 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,320 start Googling it, you know, and I'm, I'm 5 Wikipedia pages. 312 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,280 I'm, I'm, I'm downstairs with my family, post post work. 313 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,160 We're getting ready for dinner and playing baseball with my 314 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,200 kids. And I'm like, how many people 315 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,760 died in the Civil War? Because I'm just so curious, you 316 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,360 know, And it's, it's like I can't, I can't, I can't tame 317 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,440 that in my mind. One of the worst things for me 318 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,320 for that specific thing was Chad GBT. 319 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,880 Yes, for sure. I have to disable check GPT as 320 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,600 well, yeah. The the hustle culture has 321 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,640 certainly created this kind of need to to be on to be 322 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,120 available. I also think it's created a 323 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,960 badge of honor for people. That is the word tired. 324 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,000 So if you're not tired, you're doing something wrong. 325 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,320 I go, how are you doing? Tired, you know, crammed, just 326 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,080 slammed at work, just being destroyed by work. 327 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,040 And and that's kind of seen as a how you're you're doing things 328 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,960 right. Yeah, you're exhausted. 329 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,160 Oh, how how was work today? What a day. 330 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,640 And and that has become kind of something to lean on, to show to 331 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,440 to virtue signal to everyone that I take my work very 332 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,760 seriously. I'm I'm exhausted after today. 333 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,720 It's funny because when whenever I hear someone talk about their 334 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,599 job a lot like that, they was just what a day, My first 335 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,000 thought is always like, you're probably not cut out for that 336 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,040 job, you know? But it's like, yeah, people use 337 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,480 like a wait to show like, yeah, I'm doing really important 338 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,360 things. Whereas it can come off as like, 339 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,680 maybe hair. You should take a different job. 340 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,960 How do you think that We're tired is being weaponized? 341 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,840 Can you? Can you use it in a sentence? 342 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,080 What does that mean? I'm weaponizing my who's? 343 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,880 Weaponizing the word tired. Big, big, tired, big tired. 344 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,480 Big beds, big sleep. It's 88 sleep. 345 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,400 OK, honestly, that's that's another thing is I mean sleep 346 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,880 culture. You could, you could throw in 347 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,880 there as well of, you know, if you're going to, it's like it's 348 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,280 a whole thing. It's there's so many, you know, 349 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,840 you've got the, the pre made, you know, factor meals and 350 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,120 you've got, you know, wearing the same T-shirt everyday and 351 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:20,120 you've got. And then now a big thing is, you 352 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:22,360 know, everything that you can do surrounding your sleep so you 353 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:24,880 that you can optimize your sleep so that you can that you can 354 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,720 perform the next day, you know. So yeah, you're not tired. 355 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:28,800 So you're not? Yes, you're not. 356 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,720 You're not. But I do also feel like people 357 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,120 at least maybe not as much now, but I do feel like people would 358 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,400 brag about how little sleep they got going back to like the tired 359 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,960 of the hustleness of like, yeah, well, I only got 5 hours of 360 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:41,920 sleep last night and it's like, all right dude. 361 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,040 Like you want me to high five you for being irresponsible? 362 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:51,320 It's funny because you know one of one of my patrons is Saint 363 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,840 Jose Maria Escriba. Escriba has has I had. 364 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,400 What would be the proper pronunciation? 365 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,440 I don't know because it depends on the accents on it. 366 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,920 I don't know if there are any accents on it, but. 367 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,120 Someone who's named after this saying, I thought. 368 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:08,080 In Spanish I'd say escriba. Escriba but his, you know, his 369 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,280 whole path of sanctity is, is about sanctifying your work. 370 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,280 And and he talks about how it which which I've touched on in 371 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:20,560 previous podcast, but just that your work is an ability to kind 372 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,080 of cast a net in your workplace by your excellence to gain 373 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,920 respect from people. He's not talking about it in a 374 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,320 prideful way. He's just saying it as a point. 375 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,520 If you want to be someone that's trusted so that when you have 376 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,320 the opportunity to share the gospel, you have the authority 377 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,120 to do it. And I wonder if if more people 378 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:44,240 could could use the influence of their faith in their work. 379 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,840 I just think about our Lord and and you know, his work of the 380 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,520 the sanctifying and salvation of souls in his ministry. 381 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,760 You can imagine he was so tired. The dude was non-stop. 382 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,960 If there was a morning routine that should be caught on 383 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,800 YouTube, it was our Lord's. He's up early, finding a place 384 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,480 alone to pray. Probably. 385 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Done. His face in the Jordan River, 386 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,000 you know. Yeah, who needs Saratoga Blue 387 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,960 ice? Water when the ice bath was S 388 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,040 Beth. But you just imagine him waking 389 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,240 up, spending time with our Lord and then probably getting the 390 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,080 boys up. You got to assume assume the 391 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,080 apostles. Probably we're we're sleeping in 392 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,400 a bit. Teenagers get getting breakfast 393 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,320 going. Maybe it's it's fish and bread. 394 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,480 But he's the perfect image of what a a true hustle culture is, 395 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,760 which is to spend your life for those around you. 396 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,920 And so hustle culture in terminology, I think culturally 397 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,600 is used to identify someone who is gaining the glory for 398 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,800 themselves and for their career and maybe for their finances 399 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,600 under the guise of supporting their family. 400 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,960 But that if we were to sanctify hustle culture and and make it 401 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,360 Catholic again, we would say that that true hustle culture is 402 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,600 the spending of oneself for those around you. 403 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,760 And I think that's a way for us to take back that idea of work 404 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,560 ethic and baptize it in the Catholic imaginative vision. 405 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,360 I felt really good by the way. Your monologue, yeah. 406 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Did did you answer the question of who was weaponizing 407 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,320 tiredness? That was that was my attempt to 408 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,680 get us away from that and to get us onto a great monologue, which 409 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,600 I think I give it a 10 out of 10. 410 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,880 Yeah, that. Was that was good? 411 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,120 Clayton 10 out of 10, yeah. That was good. 412 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,880 Good. I appreciate. 413 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,360 It harsh, harsh crowd. I think, I think ultimately what 414 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,640 you're, what you're saying is just that Jesus had a had a 415 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,600 direction for his life and he was, he was, you know, 416 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,200 constantly, you know, spending himself in accordance with with 417 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,400 that, with that vision. And I think that, you know what 418 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,720 one of the things that we're saying about hustle culture is 419 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,840 that people don't even really know what they're hustling for. 420 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,520 Yes. Could it be that a, a 421 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:09,120 hyperactivity in the workplace is needed at certain seasons? 422 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,800 And so it would be like, OK, that's OK for this season, but 423 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,480 after that, you should probably quiet down. 424 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,400 And then maybe there's another season where you need to lean in 425 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,400 a little heavier. Could it be seasonal? 426 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,320 And are we OK with that? I don't know if if I feel like 427 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,080 we might be talking about two different things or if we can 428 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,720 get confused talking about two different things. 429 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,200 Because hustling to to be good at your job and to be excellent 430 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,000 is one thing, but overworking yourself in that type of 431 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 hustling is a different thing. Obviously we know that like 432 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,960 excellent should not be seasonal, right? 433 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,480 We should always strive to be excellent. 434 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,600 We talk about, like, busyness, yeah, maybe that's more of a 435 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,840 seasonal thing where it's OK if it is seasonal, but at no point 436 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,040 should we stop trying to be good at our job, to be excellent at 437 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,720 our job. That should always be something 438 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,360 that we strive for. But for what, Right. 439 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,200 And I don't know if hasn't Ray Scruba gets into this, but like, 440 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,520 why are we trying to be excellent at our job to get 441 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,720 promoted or, you know, what did you say earlier to to gain the 442 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,920 respect in? That yeah, I, I think for Saint 443 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,040 Husse and Maria, that's probably secondary. 444 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:26,640 What's primary in excellence is that God has ordained you to do 445 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,720 this job in this season. And by that mere fact alone that 446 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,000 you should be excellent out of praise and reverence of God, 447 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,960 He's given you a responsibility. And when God gives you a 448 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,560 responsibility, the only proper response is to do it with 449 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,480 excellence. So that would be primary for 450 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,880 Him. The secondary would be to gain 451 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,600 the admiration, not in a prideful way, but for the glory 452 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,520 of God of those around you. It's like, yeah, I, you know, 453 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,880 when in your great the great monologue by John Michael couple 454 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:05,440 minutes ago, one of the things you said was like Jesus puzzles, 455 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,680 right? I I'm honestly, I'm lost. 456 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,440 Maybe 1 migrated model? Sorry, keep. 457 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,080 Going But I'm like, yeah, what hustling For me, when I think of 458 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:21,040 hustling, what it should be is I am fully present to the things 459 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,280 in front of me that the Lord is putting in my life, and I'm 460 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,560 excellent in all those things. That's what real hustling is, or 461 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,840 at least that's what I think it should be. 462 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,400 Maybe I'm wrong versus I need to make myself as busy as possible 463 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,440 so that other people can respect me and think that I do a good 464 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,320 job. Now, often times in being 465 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,120 excellent at my job, other people will think I'm good at my 466 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,840 job and that's nice when it crosses over. 467 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,360 But what it should be is again, I'm doing everything I can to be 468 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,640 present and excellent to the things in front of me. 469 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,800 And at 5:00 PM, that's not Microsoft Teams. 470 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,520 At 4:00 PM, maybe at 4:30, probably not. 471 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,320 And at 5, definitely not. At 5, it's, and I, I, this is 472 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,560 something I've tried to get better at. 473 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,680 If like right at 5 or if I don't have any more meetings or Teams 474 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,880 messages coming through, I'm going to close my computer. 475 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,080 I'm going to go be with my wife and kid, you know, because 476 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,040 that's what's in front of me. That's what the Lord has put in 477 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,280 front of me. And that's what I want to be 478 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,720 excellent. And that's what I want to hustle 479 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,840 towards. Now. 480 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,080 I don't want to create another great monologue that that's kind 481 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,640 of what I was thinking of, like the difference between those two 482 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,600 things and why, Yeah, we should always be excellent. 483 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,080 That doesn't mean we always have to be busy. 484 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,600 I think that's a great monologue. 485 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,440 Yeah, I think you hit it. The sequel. 486 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,240 Monologue Part 2 I think a great litmus test would be. 487 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,080 Give us your monologue. Come. 488 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,600 On you're out here we go mic, mic check all right here we go 489 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,160 No, I think I think a great you know test would just be is there 490 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,280 is there room for is there room for leisure in your life? 491 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,120 And, you know, we have these, we have these particular, you know, 492 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,760 rules of like, oh, I'm going to turn, you know, in order for me 493 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,160 to, you know, not have hustle culture, I need to turn this off 494 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960 then and this off then. It's like, yeah, the like we, we 495 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,760 do those things because ultimately what I'm trying to 496 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,880 createspace for is I'm trying to createspace for leisure because 497 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,560 leisure is an end in and of itself. 498 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,080 Leisure is a good thing. Leisure is a part of my 499 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,640 humanity. It's the place where I, I find, 500 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,840 you know, rest and, and, and restoration. 501 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:20,400 And it's not, it's not, you know, opposite of work in a 502 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,920 sense. Or it's like it's, it's not for 503 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,360 the sake of just serving my, my work. 504 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,560 It's because it is, it's something that I am, you know, 505 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,320 part of what I'm created for is to, is to rest in God and to 506 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,000 find, you know, rest in my identity and rest in my family 507 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,480 life. And I want to create a space for 508 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,520 that in my life. And so one of the things I've 509 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,280 done recently, as I was looking at, you know, the next 90 days 510 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,040 and I'm mapping out like, OK, these are, these are my, these 511 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,560 are my goals over, over the course of, over the course, next 512 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,240 the, over the course of the next 90 days. 513 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,480 And then looking through and being like, OK, like, you know, 514 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,040 what are my, what are my days of, what are my days of rest and 515 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,520 start going through encircling, you know, each, each Sunday, OK, 516 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,560 like each Sunday is going to be a Sabbath. 517 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,720 That is, that is going to be a day where I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, 518 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,720 I'm not working and I'm not available to work, not because 519 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,280 I'm not trying to be excellent, but because Sunday is a day 520 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,080 created by God for me to, to rest, you know, and then looking 521 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,400 like, OK, are there, is there like a, a solemnity coming up 522 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680 where, you know, the, the office is closed and I'm, I'm supposed 523 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,400 to be off of work in order to, you know, take my, you know, 524 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,480 take my family to mass, you know, to spend extra time with 525 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:32,720 them. And so it's like in reality, I 526 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,520 have 90 that the 90 days that I, that I have in front of me, only 527 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,160 64 of them. Can I actually be, you know, am 528 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,920 I actually pushing my goals forward? 529 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,280 And so that's helped me to kind of see like I, I don't have as 530 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,600 much time as I think. And so when you know, the time 531 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,400 where I do have to work intentionally, I know that I, 532 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,920 there's certain things that I, I don't have as much time as I 533 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,640 think, I guess is ultimately what I'm trying to say. 534 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,960 And then the next thing as well is, you know, looking through 535 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,640 and trying to create an, an ideal week for myself as well, 536 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,000 where it's like in an ideal week, I would have this time to, 537 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,200 this time to be, to, to have leisure with my family. 538 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,880 And once the kids go down, you know, that, you know, next hour 539 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280 and a half after the after the kids done it go down before I go 540 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280 to bed. That can be time where I work if 541 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,880 I need to, if there's something pressing that's coming up where 542 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,120 I need to work. It can also be time for me to 543 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,680 sit on the couch and, and, and connect with my wife. 544 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,360 That can be time to read a book. It can be time to watch TV show, 545 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,680 you know, but just kind of, you know, blocking out my calendar 546 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,280 to see the spaces that I've created for leisure. 547 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,760 And then knowing that I've got, I've got a time for work and 548 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,520 I've got a time for rest, you know? 549 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,840 I love that word leisure, and I think it's it's a powerful 550 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,240 concept. I'm wondering if you could 551 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360 define it a little bit for the audience, because I think 552 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,200 leisure is a word that is used interchangeably to define 553 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,120 different things. But maybe to define leisure in a 554 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,400 a Catholic sense would be helpful. 555 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,480 Without using the word. Without. 556 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,880 Or. Weapon. 557 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,960 How do you say leisure in Spanish? 558 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,480 You cannot weaponize leisure. Big leisure lesion in Spanish. 559 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,000 Yeah, Laser. Really. 560 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,840 That sounded. French. 561 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,440 That's French. Laser, laser leisure. 562 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,080 I had a student, I, I had a friend who was a student 563 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,160 whenever I was a missionary on campus and they gave like a 564 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,800 whole, It was like every Monday a student would give like a 5 565 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,200 minute spiel on a St. And this person who, who you 566 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,840 guys know and who we won't name, just didn't know that it was 567 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,680 pronounced, pronounced Saint Teresa Lazu. 568 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,800 And so the whole like 100% serious the whole time that they 569 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,120 were talking about Saint Teresa Lesau in front of like maybe 570 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520 40-50 people was just Saint Teresa. 571 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,360 Lizzo Well, that was so funny. That's awesome, Lizzo. 572 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:59,800 Anyways, leisure definition go I I I the. 573 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:05,120 The first thought that came to my mind was to to have the time 574 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,360 to be absorbed in the things of God. 575 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,760 And you know, you know, sometimes people, people will, 576 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,920 you know, they'll describe heaven as like, you know, I 577 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,600 don't like a, like a, an eternal, you know, eternal, an 578 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,040 eternal praising of God, you know, and it's like. 579 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,000 I don't. Like, I don't really whatever. 580 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,520 What is it like Heaven's? Going to be every day an awesome 581 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,600 dive bar. An awesome dive bar with my 582 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,600 boys. Like it's like. 583 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,920 Heaven is a Top 200 golf course. That was my thought exactly. 584 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,040 I was like, I want to like see if I can like play Gusto. 585 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,080 Now all the T, all the TPCS. Like, I kind of want to have 586 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,800 fun, you know? And I don't want it to be like 587 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,040 going to mass all the time, you know? 588 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,520 It's such a real thought though that I'm like something for 589 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,200 sure. And so here's someone that's 590 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,440 like, yeah, it's to be absorbed and of God. 591 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,680 It's like, I don't really what I don't mean by that. 592 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080 It's like, you know, each Sunday or each time you have leisure, 593 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,240 that means you got to be reading the Bible, you know, or you got 594 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,360 to be it's time for it's time, time for silent prayer. 595 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,800 But I would say that to be absorbed in the things of God in 596 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,360 the sense to allow your, your mind and heart to and heart to 597 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,320 rest and oftentimes leisure, like when you've got kids, 598 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,680 leisures, like is, is there's a part of it. 599 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,720 It's like service of, of the family, you know, and you know, 600 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,440 my, my, my wife is a is a living, you know, sacrament to 601 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,480 me. And so allowing myself to, you 602 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720 know, what a what a Sunday might look like. 603 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,400 It's like I want my phone to to be away and I want my mind to 604 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,280 rest. So that might be reading book 605 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,760 for a little bit. That might be taking a nap for a 606 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,200 little bit. That might be going on a walk. 607 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:46,280 That might be just, you know, you know, cooking, cooking a 608 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,640 nice meal, you know, with, with my family. 609 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,960 What it doesn't mean is is is vegging out. 610 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,960 I think that's probably a good the antithesis of leisure, 611 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,320 honestly, is is on is just vegging out where you're not 612 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,360 you're you're shutting your mind off instead of instead of 613 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,200 allowing your mind to be absorbed in the reality of God 614 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,160 in your life so as well. Well done. 615 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,160 Thank you. Like, where do you think that 616 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,400 would rank in the three monologues that we've done so 617 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,520 far? Like somewhere between 2:00 and 618 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,800 3:00. Yeah, right in between. 619 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,640 There but talk about weaponizing leisure though. 620 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,200 Weaponizing rest, I think that's, I have seen that a lot 621 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,440 where people think rest or leisure means sit down. 622 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,560 Like scroll on my phone. I just sit down and turn my 623 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,040 brain off like I've said that, and that's like the opposite of 624 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,960 leisure. Could I could I give a 625 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,400 definition for leisure leisure please? 626 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,440 I think leisure is taking time to re enter the 627 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,160 responsibilities. That are primary to re enter re 628 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,560 enter into the responsibilities that are primary. 629 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,400 Yep. I don't know if I agree, but 630 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,360 keep going. So in our definition, we know 631 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,360 that the opposite is the the sort of running from 632 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,160 responsibility, the distraction from responsibility that that's 633 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,360 not leisure. So that leisure is a time where 634 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,120 I can actually look at the responsibilities I've been given 635 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,120 and re enter them in a new way. So if it's Sunday, then my 636 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,360 responsibilities, my primary responsibilities are to God and 637 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,380 to my family. So in my leisure, I need to re 638 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:28,080 enter those. I need to have time for prayer 639 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,840 in my leisure, I need to have time for probably the 640 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,200 sacraments. I need to have time to re enter 641 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,960 the reality of my family, like you said, spending time with 642 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,640 them on Sunday. I think what it what it also 643 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,920 isn't, especially in family life, is the lack of chaos 644 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,640 because I've tried to create Sundays where it's like, let's 645 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,960 all sit down and read books. Next thing you know, there's a 646 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,560 book flying across the room, a kids shirt is off, They're 647 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,720 screaming and it's like, oh, you just ruined my leisure. 648 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,520 And it's like, no, you didn't ruin it. 649 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,680 It's just my, my responsibility and my leisure is to, to be with 650 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,640 my children. And so if that means that 651 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040 they're throwing the books, then let's go outside and play 652 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,320 football. It doesn't have to be 653 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,520 necessarily restful in body as much as it is restful in in mind 654 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,040 and spirit. I like Clintons of Bishop. 655 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,960 That's number four of the models if we're ranking them. 656 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,520 Yeah, I just don't, I don't know if I like the phrase re enter 657 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,239 into the my primary responsibility. 658 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,760 I don't like it either, just to be clear. 659 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,159 You seem to have liked it. I liked it until y'all didn't 660 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,840 like it. I'm sorry. 661 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,400 That's right. Yeah. 662 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,719 Yeah. OK, what would your ideal day of 663 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,199 leisure be in your current reality? 664 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,120 Can I, if it includes my children, can I just assume that 665 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,960 they're happy? Yes. 666 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,240 Because assume that they're gone because I can give. 667 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,320 Ideas. But then like if I'm, if I 668 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,600 imagine like taking my kids to the zoo, it's like, oh, this is 669 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,080 going to be so fun. I'm going to take my kids to the 670 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,880 zoo. And then you get there and 671 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,440 they're hot, they're sweaty, they're screaming, they're 672 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,400 hungry, they're running, they're they're hitting, they're biting, 673 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,400 they're scratching. It's like. 674 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,120 Type 2 fun. Get, get, get, get in the wagon, 675 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,680 you know, do this. We're going to get you to snack 676 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,320 a little bit. Hold on. 677 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,240 We're going to get you some water and then you leave and 678 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:22,600 you're just like, was that even fun? 679 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,120 Like. Those more work that. 680 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,640 Was terrible. Let's never go to the zoo again, 681 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,040 you know so. It's like taking kids to the 682 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,400 beach. I used to love the beach before 683 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200 I had kids. Now it's like, let's put them in 684 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,520 front of an open body of water. None of them know how to swim, 685 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,440 sand is going to get everywhere. They're hot, sweaty and tired, 686 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,760 and there's no place to sit down without getting sand in their 687 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,480 diaper. It's horrible type 2 fun. 688 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:55,120 I think my my ideal day is wake up, workout, get the kids up 689 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,160 quick breakfast. We've made this change recently 690 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,240 where before Sunday Mass we just do something easy before mass. 691 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,680 And then after mass we do a big blow out brunch. 692 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,400 It's like 10 AM, 10:30 Get the Blackstone fired up and just 693 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,880 pack that thing with, you know, protein pancakes, bacon, eggs. 694 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,320 My kids are hitting their macros early in life. 695 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,520 And then honestly the Sunday rest time is probably my 696 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,200 favorite time of the week. So like the kids go down for 697 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,000 naps and rest time and me and my wife just get to spend time 698 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,120 together and the house is quiet. People are tired from a big 699 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,800 morning and it's just calm. And yeah, maybe a kid wakes up 700 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,000 from a nap early but that time is just so sacred that Sunday. 701 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,240 Like noon to 2O clock. Don't turn on the NFL. 702 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,040 No one likes the NFL anyway. It's rigged. 703 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,360 Just enjoy a little quiet before the kids get back up and running 704 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,080 for the afternoon. And one of my recommendations 705 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,560 and maybe we can move in this direction as we finish up is 706 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,880 some tips for people to just take a step back from the hustle 707 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,080 culture. Clayton, you mentioned like 708 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,480 taking a step back from the phone on Sunday. 709 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,600 I love that our families trying to do like a digital Sabbath on 710 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,160 Sundays. So to take a step back from 711 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,400 technology on Sunday, put the phones up in the drawer and the 712 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,920 only technology that's allowed to be used is the television. 713 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,320 If it's a a game we want to watch or a family movie that 714 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,480 everyone can partake in. Although right now with one girl 715 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,680 and two boys, that is a regular fight. 716 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,560 It is either cars or Cinderella and there's no in between. 717 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,640 Like there needs to be some sort of, you know, Disney, if you're 718 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,800 listening, would love some sort of. 719 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,160 Like they're always listening. Man, can we get a love story? 720 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,400 Yeah, can we get a love? Story that's like Princess 721 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,560 movie. That would be, that would be 722 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,880 fun. But just something to where 723 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,120 boys, yeah, see things explode, but then something falls in 724 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,400 love. Like Shrek Shrek, he's a little 725 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,840 bit of everything. Yeah, yeah, he's got. 726 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,520 Especially Shrek, too. Yeah, it's a fairy tale. 727 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,920 There are princesses, there are weddings, there's action. 728 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,800 There's Lord Farquhar. Farquhar. 729 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,840 Farquhar Farquhar. Yeah. 730 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:17,920 Poor guy. I don't. 731 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,880 Know. Yeah, short king. 732 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,320 So what was your question? Yeah, what was? 733 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,040 What are some tips for people to get out of hustle culture? 734 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,560 Get out in the sense of maybe take a break, recenter and and 735 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,200 lock in. I think one, one thing we, we 736 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,160 talked about the, the elimination of things on a 737 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,120 Sunday, but I would also add in the, the addition of things on a 738 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,640 Sunday as well, because I think, you know, for a lot of people, 739 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,320 and this is true in my own life as well as that. 740 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,440 When you remove the technology, then you start wondering, well, 741 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,520 what do I do with myself now? Because I'm so used to just kind 742 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,600 of being on, you know, my phone or on the computer or something 743 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,600 like that, say, well, what do I do? 744 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,760 What do I do now? You know, and so I think for a 745 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,640 Sunday, you know, the, the digital Sabbath, yes, I love the 746 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,040 love the brunch idea. John, Michael, I definitely want 747 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,000 to start start doing that you. Got a Blackstone? 748 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,200 No, we don't have Blackstone right now. 749 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,840 What do you got, Weber? We we have a yeah, we've got a 750 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,840 smoker, which I was kind of debating between do I get a 751 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,920 Blackstone or do I get like a griddle to put inside of of the. 752 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,080 Works the same. Yeah, yeah, works, works the 753 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,600 same. So anyways, the the addition of 754 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,000 something else on a Sunday. So for, you know, in a family 755 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,440 that might look like a big, a big brunch on a Sunday. 756 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,560 And then, you know, depending on the age of your children, like 757 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,320 we've just started trying to do high, low God moments with our 758 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,680 kids at every at every dinner. It's really funny. 759 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,600 It's the funniest thing ever. So funny, like, you know, my 760 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,800 oldest is in preschool, you know, and so high moment is 761 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,160 going to be, you know, something that he didn't, you know, some 762 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,600 fun that he had with, you know, his friends that day in school. 763 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200 And then a low moment is going to be, you know, he fell off his 764 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,520 bike. And then the God moments, 765 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,800 they're always just like the most. 766 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,360 They don't even make sense, you know, It's like. 767 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,920 It is like I, you know, I, I, I shot my nerf gun and I loved it. 768 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,400 You know, it's like. You're like, I saw God and that 769 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,600 bullet. Encourage it, you know. 770 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,120 Oh, yeah, buddy. But I would say, you know, for 771 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,080 those who are single, it's like, hey, just can you organize a 772 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,280 brunch on Sundays, you know, something where you can enter 773 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,560 into friendship with one another. 774 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,280 So that would be my recommendation is probably 775 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,560 particularly surrounding, you know, friendships, like on a 776 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,640 Sunday, Can you can you spend time with friends and then can 777 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,960 you spend time, you know, in your in your own, in your own 778 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,000 thoughts as well? To re enter your primary 779 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,200 responsibilities. Yeah. 780 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,320 I'm still not clear what that means re enter into your 781 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,920 primary. Just just just just ignore it 782 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,960 and go back and watch this after. 783 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,640 It'll make sense. If you play it in reverse, if. 784 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,880 You play it in reverse, it's going to make perfect sense. 785 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,440 Well, this is the on podcast. We sometimes make sense. 786 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,880 We sometimes can make sense of things that don't make sense, 787 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,680 but here's what we do now is that hustle culture by 788 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,160 definition in our world can be damaging. 789 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,440 But in taking time away from that to re enter our 790 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,200 responsibilities could be an opportunity for leisure Forrest 791 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,600 so that we can be the men that God has called us to be. 792 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,640 This is the all in podcast. One of your responsibilities 793 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,480 after this episode is to share this with a friend who hustles 794 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,600 to like this episode to comment below if you think the 795 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,440 monologues were a performance or recommend with distinction and 796 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,880 to make sure that you're subscribed to this channel. 797 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,920 This is the own podcast. We're pumped here. 798 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:40,720 See you in the next one.