A lot of people think finding God means doing something more,
going somewhere else, or becoming a different version of
yourself. Today we're going to be talking
about how God shows up in ordinary life.
He shows up in the morning, shows up in the evening, shows
up in the routine. This is the All In podcast.
I hope you are in your routine right now, finding God in your
ordinary life, on your drive while you're listening.
Thanks for tuning in. All right, boys, Boys to men,
boys, gentle gentlemen, what are we talking about today?
We're trying not finding God in ordinary life, which is maybe
more difficult than it seems. So what is it we, we, we, we use
the phrase, you know, God just seems distant right now.
What do we mean when we say that God, God feels distant?
That's a great question. I think when I first started
forming a relationship with God, when I said that it meant I was
in a state of mortal sin and I just didn't know it.
I thought I was going through the dark night of the soul I.
Don't know what's going on right now.
Can't. You figure it out.
Like. He's so far away.
So far it was me though. For sure user error.
I can relate to that, sorry. You were going to say something
before. That was actually brilliant, I
was going to make a similar comment that normally that just
means I haven't spent any time with them or prioritized him in
any way and I'm blaming it on him that he's distant.
I, I, I would say that that's what's similar.
It's like, OK, maybe now I know, so I'm going to state a mortal
sin. That doesn't mean that God is
this thing. That means I am.
But now when I, whenever I have that thought or I say that I'm
usually blaming things on God that are just like, I'm just not
prioritizing my relationship with them, you know?
Yeah. They could also, it could also
be a way that people are just trying to articulate that
they're at a different stage of their journey with God then
maybe they were in the past. So, you know, a, a, a book that
all three of us have probably read, Interior Freedom is by a
French gentleman named Jacques Philippe.
He like goes through the kind of stages of, of a spiritual
journey with God and talks about how like at the beginning, you
know, a lot of us can probably relate to this.
Like when we first started following God, you showed up to
prayer and you were like in the 5th dimension like you were.
Just felt that way. Which is why I can read these
types of non fiction books. Because you, you've been there
yourself, but you just show up to prayer and it was amazing.
It was like a, a nine month long honeymoon with God where you're
just like I, this is outstanding.
I never I, I will never not pray ever again.
But then he talks about how after a certain time period,
your old habits that originally were kind of washed clean by
this, the crazy explosion of grace have now kind of come back
a little bit and that distance starts to grow.
So you felt really close to God. But then after six months, nine
months, maybe a year, you, the warm and fuzzies have started to
leave and you're left with the day-to-day marriage of a
relationship with God, one that's not full of sparks, but
one that's full of kind of a routine of life.
I know in those moments of my spiritual life, those are
moments where I'm tempted to feel like, hey, I just why are
you? Why are you not as close as you
once were as you once were? It's kind of like, it's kind of
like, you know, when you're, when you're texting and like
flirting with a girl, you know, you think everything's going
great and then she ghosts you and you're still texting her and
you're like, why are things not the same anymore?
You up or why? Why you still?
Had a really long shower. OK.
It's been 3 weeks. OK, well then, so how do we, how
do we, you know, God is in a tease?
You know, he's, it's not like, hey, you know, I'm going to
right at the beginning, you know, you're showing some
interest in me here, you know, so I'm going to, I'm going to
pour out this grace, but then I'm going to pull back and
you're kind of like, what's going on here?
So how do you, how do you rectify that?
I guess a little bit. You know, God's not, he's not
trying to tease you, right? You know, he's not trying to
play games with you. What does that mean?
What's what's going on there? I I think part of that is just
normal maturing, right? It's kind of like you use the
analogy of marriage of like, just because things aren't as
easy and not in this honeymoon stage doesn't mean that my
marriage is a tease either, you know, or my wife is a tease.
I I think, yeah, it's just a normal maturing of a
relationship, but I think it's also just, and Michael jump in
at any point here because I'm kind of just processing his
question. Also reminds me of like the
retreat high, right? When you first go through
something so crazy, like a conversion to God, there's this
high and then you just kind of going back to normal.
But when you experience something so good and taste
something so beautiful, when you go back to RE like normal, you
kind of feel like all of a sudden there's an absence of it.
But there's not. It's just different than what it
was like for the first like a month or quitting the John
Michael nine months for him. But yeah, I don't know, I'm like
slowly processing this. Do you have any thoughts?
Yeah, I think because busyness often times can, can distract
and take away from our awareness of God's movements that often
times when our attention is constantly on other things, he,
he's actually still working. He actually may be much closer
than we recognize, but because we are not, we don't have our
pulse on on his movements in our life that we feel as if he's
distant when in reality he's right there, but we just never
noticed it. And so I think going moving a
little bit quickly to solutions here or or maybe an aspect where
you can step back in is a a practice of some sort of yearly
retreat would be a practice that awakens you and kind of gets
your senses back in gear to just getting a sense of where God's
moving in your life. So we talked a lot about a
couple episodes ago, the value of a vacation in the role of the
family, allowing for a recentering of priorities that
the spiritual retreat and taking a two or three day retreat every
year can get us back to where we're more calibrated to the
movements of God and a discovery phase of man.
He's actually probably been here closer to me than I even felt.
Like what what you said about the census, right?
And I don't know why the image came to me.
Maybe it's because I just went to the eye doctor last week and
they were wondering how I'm still using the glasses I have
on. And I don't know if you can tell
through the camera. There's super glue in five
different parts of these glasses, but of like, yeah,
wait, whenever I first came to this like conversion with God,
whenever I first come to a retreat, it's like I just got
new glasses as the year goes on, right?
My, my frames start getting a little bent.
I have a big head, right? So my friends usually start
going like this and maybe one of the arms will snap off the the
lenses start getting a little scratched and it becomes a
little harder to see just with the wear and tear of time,
right? Which and in the spiritual life
can be just like the distraction that you're talking about, the
dulling of the census. And like, yeah, a yearly retreat
is a great way. It's like going back to the
doctor to get new glasses. To get new I really like.
That's a great analogy. Great.
But you know what's also kind of really frustrating at the same
time with this? How much?
Is that no it will with insurance.
Actually, I think I paid $5.00 but it's.
Pretty good. Which is, which is great.
It's the only part of entrance I understand.
Is that every single year? Like your eye prescription
expires after a year. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, which I think that's. Yeah, OK, this makes a lot of
sense because 2 black kids have. Big glasses, big, big glasses
out there trying to because it's like, what?
And they have to. Get new glasses every year.
Has not changed since I first got glasses 12 years ago
actually. Mind changes every year, really.
Mind got a little better. I went from -1 and .75 to -.75
and -.5. See, I'm -4 1/2 on both eyes
now. Really.
Yeah, you use contacts. Yeah, I do, yeah.
I have the best vision at the table.
Really 2020? You know, I, I mean, if our
listeners that might have a prescription or bad eyesight
might be hearing me talking about my prescription, but you
don't need classes. I I remember it was is that?
A low prescription. It was.
It's a very low prescription. When I first got to college, it
would happen a little bit in high school, just being one of
the taller people, I would always sit in the back and I
always have kind of like a a little bit of a Hardy time
reading the border where we got to college to these mega
classrooms at Tex A and MI. Like I was like kind of
struggling and one of my friends like here trying all my glasses
and he's like the I barely have anything.
And I tried them on. I was like, Oh my gosh.
It's an insane experience. This is what seeing the world is
like. Like I was like, Oh my gosh, I
can actually see. I can actually see the leaves of
the tree. Of there's another spiritual
analogy right there, you know? Go ahead, make it.
Getting the, you know, the, the renewal of vision, you know.
Well, I mean the, the, it's analogies, but there's actually
something there. I mean, the, the Catholic in the
Catholic faith that we live in, the sacraments all have relation
to the senses. So like when you get your child
baptized, there's the oil that that they put on that has that,
you know, powerful smell. It stays on the baby for like
weeks at a time. And that's supposed to engage
the senses to awaken to the things of God.
There's incense, which you know, we we smell during certain
masses. There's the the water, which you
can feel. And then there's even the visual
of you're right. The priest usually takes their
thumb on the infant, says a Fatah, which is Hebrew for be
opened over their eyes. So I mean we're, we are in good
company with our senses and allergies here.
What is the spiritual equivalent of when you're eating popcorn
and you get like a kernel stuck like in the back of your teeth,
you know, and you can't get it out and you can't really reach
with your tongue over your? Finger that is the worst that is
like top five most painful experiences I.
Don't know about painful. Well, there it can be painful.
If it gets stuck in your gum then it can be painful.
Oh yes, when it is. When you get that thing out, you
are like. King of the World.
To the bars. To the bars.
We're celebrating. Sorry, babe.
How do you just stay with our four kids?
I got a popcorn kernel out. You know, another great feeling
is in in. If you can't, if you might be
able to tell right now I have a stuffy nose.
It's edit that out. You can kind of it's like the
the after you're sick with a stuffy nose, the first time you
can use both nostrils, you're like, Oh my gosh, this is what
I've never been able to breathe before until this point.
It's like this is the most amazing thing in in, you know,
the. Whole world, you know, that's
that's how I felt when I got to John Michael's house the other
day and I put on my first nasal strip ever and I was like, and I
didn't feel my nose collapsing. You know how like when you
breathe in hard, it was like, like just a runway of fresh air
going straight to my brain? So we host a lot of people in
our guest room and I've, you know, some people put out little
snacks, little bottles of lotion, toothpaste, you know,
little brush. A sheet on the floor.
It was a mattress. With a sheet on.
Top of it. That's because the mattress
collapsed in the middle of the night.
But I've started to lay out nose trips for my guests.
Oh, that's nice. People love them, yeah, and I
have an affiliate link that after they buy it.
Start staying at your place every time.
That was great. I'll tell you another phenomenal
experience is and my wife, we don't see eye to eye on this
Hawking like when you have mucus in the back of your throat after
a cold and when you cough it up and spit it out and you see how
big it is in the in the sink and you're just like, heck yeah,
where does. Your wife differ on that.
She hates it when I do it. Oh yeah, She's like, because I
do it in the kitchen sink and she's like, that's disgusting.
And I'm like. What do you?
Think we're eating out of the kitchen sink?
What's the big deal? I.
Think, how's that disgusting? The same as any other thing you
know. That's funny, my wife gets mad
at me when I accidentally poured chicken juice on top of like the
cleaning materials you. Know you pour chicken juice
yeah, you. Chicken juice?
What does that? Mean.
Where are you getting chicken juice?
What do you mean chicken broth? No, no, no, like when you take
the chicken out of the thing and there's kind of like some still
some juiciness in there. What thing out of the container?
The raw chicken raw chicken like you buy chicken, you buy raw
chicken and before I throw the. I can't believe you said.
I can't believe she gets mad at me for pouring raw chicken juice
on the cleaning supplies. Anyways, that's something I get
in trouble for. That's how COVID started.
You pour on top of the soap container.
Well, you know, we've got the brush and it stays in the sink,
you know. Well, that's great.
I mean, that's something you can fix right there.
You put it on the sidewalk. Yeah, anywhere besides where
you're pouring your dirty, you know.
I will say I have it's happened before where there's like dishes
or knives piled up on top of on top of the the cleaning brush
and I reach in there and I. Slice my cut your hand.
Kitchen knife? Really.
Yeah. Dang, what are we talking about?
The spiritual equivalent of getting a popcorn.
The spiritual equivalent of chicken juice?
Venial sin maybe? Venial sin.
That's probably it. Yeah.
So anyways, how do you find God in order?
We talk about glasses and prescriptions in the census.
Well. Here's something I think you
know, begins, begins to happen is just that, you know, we go
through, we go through our day-to-day and you know, we're
not, we're maybe not having the same experience of God as we did
before. You know, our, or maybe our,
our, our senses, our, our, our spiritual attunement to God is,
is not the same as it as it was. I don't know, yesterday, last
month before I had the baby. Now it's after I had the baby
and, and things are a little bit different right now.
And we tend to start to try and just, you know, try to try to
just grasp for things and begin to look for God outside of the
ordinary. Why?
Why do we begin to do that? To start, I don't know, to start
trying to go to extreme lengths to look for God rather than
encounter him in the midst of our, our poverty, our weakness,
our, our, you know, mundaneness. I think because, Because that
feels boring, frankly, yeah. It just feels.
It feels unexciting. It feels as if I am living a
loveless marriage with a a God who has created me and formed me
and brought me into his family. And the, you know, the, the
beauty of, of this podcast is, you know, we've been hitting a
lot of these topics of just that the dated the day-to-day life.
And I think hopefully that's some of the value we're bringing
to our listeners is, you know, we're, we're not, we're not
experts, we're not theologians, we're not academics.
Frankly, what the only thing we're good at is, is sharing our
real life experiences of what this stuff looks like in our
day-to-day life, and then weaving that in with tangents
and humor that that make it humorous as we look at how crazy
and relentless and overwhelming our lives are.
And so circling back to to your point, Clayton, I think you
know, as as much as we don't want it to be the case, the
absolute reality of faith is that it is essentially boring.
It is boring. It is day after day after day
after day. Choosing the right next step.
I think about, I got to visit recently with a good friend of
mine who's become a religious sister.
And you know, for those, for those who may not be aware of
basically women and, and, and men who, you know, have a deep
love of, of Christ, they, they oftentimes will say, Hey, I'm
going to forego marriage to, to become a religious sister.
And so I'm, I'm kind of marrying Jesus in a way.
And a lot of them will, will live in convents where they,
they very frequent, E frequently, infrequently.
What? Did.
You say ear frequently. Infrequently.
Get to leave the convent. And so I was just asking her
about that like, hey, what's that experience like of doing
the exact same thing every single day for years and years
and years on it. And her response was, it's so
beautiful because God isn't found in the big moments.
He's found them in the my faithfulness to the monotony of
the tasks that my superior has asked me to complete.
And so faith is boring in so much as it requires the fidelity
of the fidelity of the individual to the mundane tasks
that that our Lord has asked us to complete each day.
Cut, cut. That's it.
Another trademark to John Michael monologue that was.
Easy that. Was absolutely wonderful.
Easy. I do that in my sleep.
Well, I think something that honestly all of us can can
relate to some of our listeners are probably married, many of
them are probably not at the same time, but that's just such
a relatable thing in in marriage as well is just that.
Did you notice what he said? What?
Because many of our listeners are married, many are also not
married at the same time. We're all married to the game.
You know, I can't believe this is my life.
All right? Is that?
Yeah. I mean, very similar to the way
that God draws us to himself. Remember the like after your
your first date with your now life and you're just like just
on top of the. World I floated home.
Feet didn't even touch the ground.
After your first. Date my Pontiac Grand Am turned
into a Grand Wagoneer all of a sudden, I mean.
Clown's first date with Reagan, he.
Told this at my rehearsal dinner.
So. It was in San Antonio where
where his wife is from and where I'm from as well.
And so he, he was staying at my place and he gets home from the
date just open. I he opens the door and I, you
know, I'm waiting for him downstairs and The Cave and how
to go. Doesn't make eye contact, just
walks in, leans against the wall and then just goes, Oh, I like
deflate and like falls to the ground.
Like his back against the wall just slides.
Down. I'm in love, I'm in love and I
don't care who knows it. Reagan, I love you more now than
I did. Oh geez.
Shut up. I mean, I feel it all the time.
We're not showing either. No, but I mean, you know, you go
through and then the same thing happens when you get married.
You know, you go through, you go through the honeymoon phase and
then, you know, normal life starts hitting and the and the
mundane. What are you laughing at now?
It's just. Yeah.
I'm laughing because you, your honeymoon, you got really sick.
I did, yeah. Mundane hit quick.
It did, and you would face on me every time.
Did I? You were alone in my bed, in
your. Hotel room and you would flip
the camera to the window and to like the beach and be like,
there's Reagan. I'm in here with a fever.
They told me I had Zika virus, so that was really scary.
That is scary so. Did you have it?
I did not end up having Zika virus, probably.
Who's Zika? Hardly Noah.
All right, what are we talking about?
OK, so. So.
How your marriage is very mundane.
I'm just, I'm just saying, you know that we tell me you all can
relate to this. No, probably.
Every day of my marriage is better than this before.
It's just that, yeah, you start going through, you know,
everyday life and I would say, you know, there's, there's some
days where my wife and I are really able to, to connect with
each other at the beginning of the day or the end of the day,
and sometimes where we try to connect to each other and we
just don't. Just miss.
Yeah, you just miss and, you know, sometimes you go on a date
and it's pretty normal. You just, you know, you talk,
you know, you share some things and and then other times you go
on a date and you're like, man, I really love you, you know, and
it's just, you know, that those, those moments are, you know,
I'm, I'm not saying that, you know, you need, what we're
trying to say is you don't need the big retreat in order to to
feel the same feelings. You know, you don't need the big
new decision or the monumental thing in order to to chase, in
order to chase those those feelings back.
But I would say definitely within marriage, you know,
there's a fidelity and, and commitment that you have on a
day-to-day basis, which some days you feel, you know, and
some days and some days you don't feel, you know, and you
know, there's, there's graces within marriage in the same way
that there's graces within prayer where, yeah, there's a
grace of, Oh my gosh, we just went on a really great date, you
know, and now we feel more, more connected.
And I feel like I'm so much more present to you than I was
yesterday or the last week. And sometimes, you know, a great
day. And it was just, it was just
really normal. And you're still, you're looking
for those, you know, feelings again.
And sometimes they come and sometimes they don't.
And so here's a question, you know, how do we get out of the,
the mode of, you know, relying on our feelings in order to fuel
our decision making, say. It one more time, how do you?
You know, you know, I would say when you're, when you're
younger, you know, you I, I guess another analogy I can use
is that I'm, you know, you both of you both know that I'm a big
phase guy. I couldn't understand you.
You've never said something more true.
You know, and there's a, a rush of excitement, you know, in
order to, to begin something and that last two weeks and, and it
kind of dies down and I come up with another idea and then I
chase that thing for a couple weeks and then, you know, it
kind of dies down and you know, it's my, it's my, it's, it's
this rush of excitement. It's fueling this energy that's,
you know, making me do all these things.
And when that goes away, I'm like.
Yeah, you know, moving on. Moving on, on to the on to the
next thing. So what is that?
What does that look? How do you, what does it take to
kind of have that shift in your life where you know, I'm going
to choose to be faithful and, yeah, faithful to my everyday
duties to, to my spouse and, and, and to God, regardless of
the way that I feel about it in that moment?
How does that shift begin to happen within you?
I find that if you if you look at your spiritual life and you
look at your experience of our Lord like fence posts.
Hear me out, Jose all. Right.
Stop listening. Here we go.
So if you can imagine a fence, you have, you know, let's say a
barbed wire fence, you got your post and you have the barbed
wire to the next fence, the barbed wire to the next, the
next fence and and the the post is what is holding the barbed
wire up. What is the analogy there is
that you should have fence posts in your day that bring you back
and hold you up close to our Lord without having to really
think about it or choose it for yourself.
So a good fence post could be in the morning upon waking.
I have a fence post of the morning offering which is
basically just a prayer offering my day to God.
Then my next fence post is when I get in my car, which I do
every morning to drive to work. That next fit fence post is
maybe I I listen to the rosary meditation on on hallow and then
the next fence post is at noon I pray the Angelus and the Angelus
is basically just a prayer to Our Lady to recenter.
And then at 3:00, my next fence post is I pray the Divine Mercy
Chaplet. And then right before bed, I do
an examination. And so you're not, you're not
relying on emotion, You're relying on the consistency and
the habits of things you are already doing in your life.
Getting in the car, looking at the clock, going to sleep,
waking up in the morning. And these are those kind of
fence post moments throughout the day so that you can set
boundaries around yourself to create spaces for for these
moments. Because when we rely on emotion,
emotion is fleeting and, and habits and decisions are what
last. And so if you're relying on
emotion, that's going to run out at a certain point and, and
desire will run out. But when you have these markers
that remind us to enter into a behavior, that's actually where
you see success come. Yeah, I kind of approach it a
little differently and it ends up being the same thing.
But I don't know if we talked about it on the show.
I think we did a couple of months ago at this point where I
think growing up, like I always had a hard time with emotions.
I don't feel a lot of emotions strongly, which is why I wanted
to be Acia secret agent for a long time.
You did did we talk about that on the show?
I. Think.
I don't think so. Yeah, I wanted to be a a special
agent for the CIA because I was like, Oh well, if I don't feel a
lot of emotion, I'd be great at international espionage with
that. Emotion.
When did that dream end? I don't think it.
Did like, at what point were you just like, hey, your phone has
been turned off recently, frequently.
Yeah, I mean, hey, I can neither confirm or deny if that dream is
ended. Catholic Missionary would be a
heck of a cover. Yeah, it would.
Podcast, yeah. Podcaster And so with that, for
me, a lot of these things haven't been, which I get this
is what I'm saying. Like it ends up being the same
thing, but the new ones of like, it's not emotion driven, but I
am very lazy. I'm a very lazy individual.
And so for me, it's just like in the moment, I will never pick
the harder thing because I'm lazy.
And so kind of you're saying these fence posts that keep you
kind of centered. I think for me, it's just like
discipline. I just have to like, I, I have
to rely on discipline in order to get there, in order to get
anywhere because I am lazy, right?
And I, I like what you said. I like your whole analogy with
the fence post. Don't love that.
Use barbed wire as a type of fence.
But yeah, of like I have to rely on discipline for my fidelity
to, to God, right? To continue to show up because I
know myself and I know that I am lazy and I know that I will
always choose the easier or the path of least resistance.
And there's a lot less resistance in not thinking about
goddamn there isn't thinking about God.
Follow up question, OK, love the fence post analogy and you have
fence posts for, you know, your prayer life in the same way that
I'm I'm sure that you in the same way you have fence posts
and your family life as well regular routines and things to
connect with your spouse and children.
How do you avoid those fence posts from turning into just
tasks that you have to accomplish?
You know, yeah, you go to you go to the Angeles, you go to the
diamonds of Chapel. But it just, hey, this is just
another, you know, thing that I'm checking off my list because
I'm supposed to do it. It's funny because.
I think it's impossible to never fall into that.
You will fall into that some. Yeah, you're destined to to get
that mindset. I I took this to a new level
though in terms of check boxes. So we all are wearing, we're big
woop fans and one of the values. Not sponsored yet yet.
But it's a high performance wearable as we've determined.
And. For high performance people
looking at. Us and please sponsor us but
there there's a daily journal that you log your behaviors into
and and and typically people do behaviors like did I eat well
today did how many alcoholic beverages do I have did I use
nicotine? You know, but then there's some
kind of crazy ones, you know, it's like you can actually log
like did you have sexual intimacy today?
Don't know why big data would need to know that.
Not going to put that in my big data, but there's one where you
can do. Did you pray today?
And so I started logging my prayer on my.
Whoop, it's literally a trick. Box.
Yeah, it it is actually a check box.
And then it it shows you how many times you did the behavior
or didn't do that behavior. And then I started doing some AB
testing to see when I prayed. You're like, OK, I'm not going
to pray today. God, today I'm not going to
pray, but it's. It's a placebo for data.
It's a placebo. My placebo.
Prayer time. But I was after, after, after
two months, I was like, what am I doing?
This is ridiculous. I'm literally seeing if my
prayer effects my, my stress levels, my cortisol levels and
my HRV. This is, this is totally
ludicrous. And so I think the the damage of
tracking these things and turning these things into habits
to accomplish is that they can just be one of the many ways
that you are trying to gamify yourself into being the best
version. Let's say the danger, not the
damage. That danger, yeah.
But to your original question, like yeah, I think it's
impossible to never fall into that of like it's just a check
box. I think the important piece is
being able to catch yourself and get out of it and and be re get
your new pair of glasses right so that you can start being more
intentional with the Lord. And I think some people fall
into that, that thought process. And I have two of like, I, I
don't want this to just be something I'm checking the box
of. So I'm I'm just not even going
to schedule it in. I think it's the danger.
So that, so that might you know, when my heart leaps at God, then
I'll just jump into prayer. You know, Mother Teresa said
that she would she would encounter the Lord throughout
her day. And so I I no longer go pray so
I can encounter God throughout my day.
I just see him in the car, I see him in the shelf.
My favorite was working with college students that are like
building up the basic like habits of a Christian.
It's like, oh, how's your prayer life?
Like? Oh, it's great.
Like, what do you what do you do?
Like, oh, well, you know, I pay before meals.
Sometimes I'll pray in the shower in before bed.
I'm like, OK, so you dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You haven't prayed. Well, you said no, you don't do
any of those things. And he was like.
No, I don't do anything. He's like, yeah, I know, I know.
That's just what you say. You know, right before meals,
you know, thank you for this food.
Amen. Amen.
Well, here at the All In Podcast, we want our listeners
to know that God is with you in the ordinary, and All In wants
to be with you in the ordinary as well.
Whether you're in the car, you're in the shower, you're
eating breakfast, you're on your commute, make sure to to share
with a friend that that has a a 30 minute commute that that
needs a laugh. Make sure to like and subscribe
as one of those fence posts in your life so that all in in the
same way as God can always be with you.
This is the all in podcast. Thanks for listening.