1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,720 A lot of people think finding God means doing something more, 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,800 going somewhere else, or becoming a different version of 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:07,240 yourself. Today we're going to be talking 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,200 about how God shows up in ordinary life. 5 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,800 He shows up in the morning, shows up in the evening, shows 6 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,120 up in the routine. This is the All In podcast. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,680 I hope you are in your routine right now, finding God in your 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,640 ordinary life, on your drive while you're listening. 9 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Thanks for tuning in. All right, boys, Boys to men, 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:50,200 boys, gentle gentlemen, what are we talking about today? 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,080 We're trying not finding God in ordinary life, which is maybe 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:59,440 more difficult than it seems. So what is it we, we, we, we use 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,160 the phrase, you know, God just seems distant right now. 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,120 What do we mean when we say that God, God feels distant? 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,400 That's a great question. I think when I first started 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,680 forming a relationship with God, when I said that it meant I was 17 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,360 in a state of mortal sin and I just didn't know it. 18 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,160 I thought I was going through the dark night of the soul I. 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:22,680 Don't know what's going on right now. 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,320 Can't. You figure it out. 21 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,640 Like. He's so far away. 22 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,280 So far it was me though. For sure user error. 23 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,160 I can relate to that, sorry. You were going to say something 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,400 before. That was actually brilliant, I 25 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,760 was going to make a similar comment that normally that just 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,840 means I haven't spent any time with them or prioritized him in 27 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,200 any way and I'm blaming it on him that he's distant. 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,880 I, I, I would say that that's what's similar. 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 It's like, OK, maybe now I know, so I'm going to state a mortal 30 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,160 sin. That doesn't mean that God is 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,240 this thing. That means I am. 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,520 But now when I, whenever I have that thought or I say that I'm 33 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,199 usually blaming things on God that are just like, I'm just not 34 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,720 prioritizing my relationship with them, you know? 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Yeah. They could also, it could also 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,840 be a way that people are just trying to articulate that 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,160 they're at a different stage of their journey with God then 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,520 maybe they were in the past. So, you know, a, a, a book that 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,560 all three of us have probably read, Interior Freedom is by a 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,600 French gentleman named Jacques Philippe. 41 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,400 He like goes through the kind of stages of, of a spiritual 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,640 journey with God and talks about how like at the beginning, you 43 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,160 know, a lot of us can probably relate to this. 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Like when we first started following God, you showed up to 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,080 prayer and you were like in the 5th dimension like you were. 46 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,440 Just felt that way. Which is why I can read these 47 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,320 types of non fiction books. Because you, you've been there 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,160 yourself, but you just show up to prayer and it was amazing. 49 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,000 It was like a, a nine month long honeymoon with God where you're 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,320 just like I, this is outstanding. 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,800 I never I, I will never not pray ever again. 52 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,320 But then he talks about how after a certain time period, 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,400 your old habits that originally were kind of washed clean by 54 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,400 this, the crazy explosion of grace have now kind of come back 55 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,720 a little bit and that distance starts to grow. 56 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,920 So you felt really close to God. But then after six months, nine 57 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:26,560 months, maybe a year, you, the warm and fuzzies have started to 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,440 leave and you're left with the day-to-day marriage of a 59 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,120 relationship with God, one that's not full of sparks, but 60 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,160 one that's full of kind of a routine of life. 61 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,960 I know in those moments of my spiritual life, those are 62 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,960 moments where I'm tempted to feel like, hey, I just why are 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,600 you? Why are you not as close as you 64 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,880 once were as you once were? It's kind of like, it's kind of 65 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,720 like, you know, when you're, when you're texting and like 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,680 flirting with a girl, you know, you think everything's going 67 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,200 great and then she ghosts you and you're still texting her and 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,480 you're like, why are things not the same anymore? 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,000 You up or why? Why you still? 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Had a really long shower. OK. 71 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:09,640 It's been 3 weeks. OK, well then, so how do we, how 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,600 do we, you know, God is in a tease? 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,960 You know, he's, it's not like, hey, you know, I'm going to 74 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,000 right at the beginning, you know, you're showing some 75 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,880 interest in me here, you know, so I'm going to, I'm going to 76 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,680 pour out this grace, but then I'm going to pull back and 77 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,600 you're kind of like, what's going on here? 78 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,280 So how do you, how do you rectify that? 79 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:28,640 I guess a little bit. You know, God's not, he's not 80 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,600 trying to tease you, right? You know, he's not trying to 81 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,800 play games with you. What does that mean? 82 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:44,320 What's what's going on there? I I think part of that is just 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,360 normal maturing, right? It's kind of like you use the 84 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,960 analogy of marriage of like, just because things aren't as 85 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,200 easy and not in this honeymoon stage doesn't mean that my 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,800 marriage is a tease either, you know, or my wife is a tease. 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,560 I I think, yeah, it's just a normal maturing of a 88 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:11,360 relationship, but I think it's also just, and Michael jump in 89 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,200 at any point here because I'm kind of just processing his 90 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,880 question. Also reminds me of like the 91 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,080 retreat high, right? When you first go through 92 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,160 something so crazy, like a conversion to God, there's this 93 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,040 high and then you just kind of going back to normal. 94 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,320 But when you experience something so good and taste 95 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,000 something so beautiful, when you go back to RE like normal, you 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,160 kind of feel like all of a sudden there's an absence of it. 97 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,280 But there's not. It's just different than what it 98 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:38,560 was like for the first like a month or quitting the John 99 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,480 Michael nine months for him. But yeah, I don't know, I'm like 100 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,040 slowly processing this. Do you have any thoughts? 101 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:51,640 Yeah, I think because busyness often times can, can distract 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,840 and take away from our awareness of God's movements that often 103 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:00,640 times when our attention is constantly on other things, he, 104 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,640 he's actually still working. He actually may be much closer 105 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,120 than we recognize, but because we are not, we don't have our 106 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,280 pulse on on his movements in our life that we feel as if he's 107 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,440 distant when in reality he's right there, but we just never 108 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,840 noticed it. And so I think going moving a 109 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:22,960 little bit quickly to solutions here or or maybe an aspect where 110 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,280 you can step back in is a a practice of some sort of yearly 111 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:34,080 retreat would be a practice that awakens you and kind of gets 112 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,680 your senses back in gear to just getting a sense of where God's 113 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,880 moving in your life. So we talked a lot about a 114 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,560 couple episodes ago, the value of a vacation in the role of the 115 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,400 family, allowing for a recentering of priorities that 116 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,120 the spiritual retreat and taking a two or three day retreat every 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,360 year can get us back to where we're more calibrated to the 118 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,240 movements of God and a discovery phase of man. 119 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,280 He's actually probably been here closer to me than I even felt. 120 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Like what what you said about the census, right? 121 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,160 And I don't know why the image came to me. 122 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Maybe it's because I just went to the eye doctor last week and 123 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,000 they were wondering how I'm still using the glasses I have 124 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,200 on. And I don't know if you can tell 125 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,760 through the camera. There's super glue in five 126 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,200 different parts of these glasses, but of like, yeah, 127 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,160 wait, whenever I first came to this like conversion with God, 128 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,200 whenever I first come to a retreat, it's like I just got 129 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,560 new glasses as the year goes on, right? 130 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,880 My, my frames start getting a little bent. 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,440 I have a big head, right? So my friends usually start 132 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:46,040 going like this and maybe one of the arms will snap off the the 133 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,880 lenses start getting a little scratched and it becomes a 134 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,520 little harder to see just with the wear and tear of time, 135 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,400 right? Which and in the spiritual life 136 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,600 can be just like the distraction that you're talking about, the 137 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,040 dulling of the census. And like, yeah, a yearly retreat 138 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,720 is a great way. It's like going back to the 139 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,120 doctor to get new glasses. To get new I really like. 140 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,440 That's a great analogy. Great. 141 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,640 But you know what's also kind of really frustrating at the same 142 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,920 time with this? How much? 143 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,480 Is that no it will with insurance. 144 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,120 Actually, I think I paid $5.00 but it's. 145 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:15,960 Pretty good. Which is, which is great. 146 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,440 It's the only part of entrance I understand. 147 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,880 Is that every single year? Like your eye prescription 148 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,760 expires after a year. Oh my gosh. 149 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,400 Yeah, which I think that's. Yeah, OK, this makes a lot of 150 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,480 sense because 2 black kids have. Big glasses, big, big glasses 151 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,120 out there trying to because it's like, what? 152 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,919 And they have to. Get new glasses every year. 153 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,559 Has not changed since I first got glasses 12 years ago 154 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,960 actually. Mind changes every year, really. 155 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:49,760 Mind got a little better. I went from -1 and .75 to -.75 156 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,000 and -.5. See, I'm -4 1/2 on both eyes 157 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:54,840 now. Really. 158 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,560 Yeah, you use contacts. Yeah, I do, yeah. 159 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,640 I have the best vision at the table. 160 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,000 Really 2020? You know, I, I mean, if our 161 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,480 listeners that might have a prescription or bad eyesight 162 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,880 might be hearing me talking about my prescription, but you 163 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,000 don't need classes. I I remember it was is that? 164 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,160 A low prescription. It was. 165 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,400 It's a very low prescription. When I first got to college, it 166 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,080 would happen a little bit in high school, just being one of 167 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,040 the taller people, I would always sit in the back and I 168 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,960 always have kind of like a a little bit of a Hardy time 169 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,600 reading the border where we got to college to these mega 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,680 classrooms at Tex A and MI. Like I was like kind of 171 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:33,600 struggling and one of my friends like here trying all my glasses 172 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,480 and he's like the I barely have anything. 173 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,240 And I tried them on. I was like, Oh my gosh. 174 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,880 It's an insane experience. This is what seeing the world is 175 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:42,960 like. Like I was like, Oh my gosh, I 176 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,000 can actually see. I can actually see the leaves of 177 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,680 the tree. Of there's another spiritual 178 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:50,000 analogy right there, you know? Go ahead, make it. 179 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,640 Getting the, you know, the, the renewal of vision, you know. 180 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,840 Well, I mean the, the, it's analogies, but there's actually 181 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,800 something there. I mean, the, the Catholic in the 182 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,560 Catholic faith that we live in, the sacraments all have relation 183 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:07,360 to the senses. So like when you get your child 184 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,440 baptized, there's the oil that that they put on that has that, 185 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,240 you know, powerful smell. It stays on the baby for like 186 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,480 weeks at a time. And that's supposed to engage 187 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,400 the senses to awaken to the things of God. 188 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,520 There's incense, which you know, we we smell during certain 189 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,120 masses. There's the the water, which you 190 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,480 can feel. And then there's even the visual 191 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,680 of you're right. The priest usually takes their 192 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:31,720 thumb on the infant, says a Fatah, which is Hebrew for be 193 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,880 opened over their eyes. So I mean we're, we are in good 194 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,520 company with our senses and allergies here. 195 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,640 What is the spiritual equivalent of when you're eating popcorn 196 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,840 and you get like a kernel stuck like in the back of your teeth, 197 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,800 you know, and you can't get it out and you can't really reach 198 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,320 with your tongue over your? Finger that is the worst that is 199 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,520 like top five most painful experiences I. 200 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,000 Don't know about painful. Well, there it can be painful. 201 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,280 If it gets stuck in your gum then it can be painful. 202 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,640 Oh yes, when it is. When you get that thing out, you 203 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,080 are like. King of the World. 204 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,760 To the bars. To the bars. 205 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,520 We're celebrating. Sorry, babe. 206 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,800 How do you just stay with our four kids? 207 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:22,000 I got a popcorn kernel out. You know, another great feeling 208 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,920 is in in. If you can't, if you might be 209 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,760 able to tell right now I have a stuffy nose. 210 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,400 It's edit that out. You can kind of it's like the 211 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,880 the after you're sick with a stuffy nose, the first time you 212 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,280 can use both nostrils, you're like, Oh my gosh, this is what 213 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,480 I've never been able to breathe before until this point. 214 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,760 It's like this is the most amazing thing in in, you know, 215 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:45,920 the. Whole world, you know, that's 216 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,800 that's how I felt when I got to John Michael's house the other 217 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,320 day and I put on my first nasal strip ever and I was like, and I 218 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,640 didn't feel my nose collapsing. You know how like when you 219 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,280 breathe in hard, it was like, like just a runway of fresh air 220 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,840 going straight to my brain? So we host a lot of people in 221 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 our guest room and I've, you know, some people put out little 222 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,040 snacks, little bottles of lotion, toothpaste, you know, 223 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,320 little brush. A sheet on the floor. 224 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,600 It was a mattress. With a sheet on. 225 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,320 Top of it. That's because the mattress 226 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,960 collapsed in the middle of the night. 227 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,120 But I've started to lay out nose trips for my guests. 228 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,360 Oh, that's nice. People love them, yeah, and I 229 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,040 have an affiliate link that after they buy it. 230 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,160 Start staying at your place every time. 231 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,640 That was great. I'll tell you another phenomenal 232 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,960 experience is and my wife, we don't see eye to eye on this 233 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:44,960 Hawking like when you have mucus in the back of your throat after 234 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,560 a cold and when you cough it up and spit it out and you see how 235 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:53,960 big it is in the in the sink and you're just like, heck yeah, 236 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,320 where does. Your wife differ on that. 237 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,760 She hates it when I do it. Oh yeah, She's like, because I 238 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,200 do it in the kitchen sink and she's like, that's disgusting. 239 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:03,880 And I'm like. What do you? 240 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,360 Think we're eating out of the kitchen sink? 241 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:06,120 What's the big deal? I. 242 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Think, how's that disgusting? The same as any other thing you 243 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,680 know. That's funny, my wife gets mad 244 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:18,360 at me when I accidentally poured chicken juice on top of like the 245 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,400 cleaning materials you. Know you pour chicken juice 246 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,040 yeah, you. Chicken juice? 247 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,080 What does that? Mean. 248 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,760 Where are you getting chicken juice? 249 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,640 What do you mean chicken broth? No, no, no, like when you take 250 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,560 the chicken out of the thing and there's kind of like some still 251 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:35,000 some juiciness in there. What thing out of the container? 252 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,040 The raw chicken raw chicken like you buy chicken, you buy raw 253 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,680 chicken and before I throw the. I can't believe you said. 254 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,240 I can't believe she gets mad at me for pouring raw chicken juice 255 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,000 on the cleaning supplies. Anyways, that's something I get 256 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,680 in trouble for. That's how COVID started. 257 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,560 You pour on top of the soap container. 258 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,640 Well, you know, we've got the brush and it stays in the sink, 259 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,400 you know. Well, that's great. 260 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,520 I mean, that's something you can fix right there. 261 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:01,560 You put it on the sidewalk. Yeah, anywhere besides where 262 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:03,000 you're pouring your dirty, you know. 263 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,520 I will say I have it's happened before where there's like dishes 264 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,160 or knives piled up on top of on top of the the cleaning brush 265 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,520 and I reach in there and I. Slice my cut your hand. 266 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Kitchen knife? Really. 267 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,720 Yeah. Dang, what are we talking about? 268 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,080 The spiritual equivalent of getting a popcorn. 269 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,120 The spiritual equivalent of chicken juice? 270 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,200 Venial sin maybe? Venial sin. 271 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:29,880 That's probably it. Yeah. 272 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,400 So anyways, how do you find God in order? 273 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,360 We talk about glasses and prescriptions in the census. 274 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Well. Here's something I think you 275 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:45,200 know, begins, begins to happen is just that, you know, we go 276 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,080 through, we go through our day-to-day and you know, we're 277 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,840 not, we're maybe not having the same experience of God as we did 278 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,480 before. You know, our, or maybe our, 279 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,920 our, our senses, our, our, our spiritual attunement to God is, 280 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,920 is not the same as it as it was. I don't know, yesterday, last 281 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 month before I had the baby. Now it's after I had the baby 282 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,000 and, and things are a little bit different right now. 283 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,480 And we tend to start to try and just, you know, try to try to 284 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,560 just grasp for things and begin to look for God outside of the 285 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,960 ordinary. Why? 286 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,800 Why do we begin to do that? To start, I don't know, to start 287 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,640 trying to go to extreme lengths to look for God rather than 288 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,400 encounter him in the midst of our, our poverty, our weakness, 289 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:32,680 our, our, you know, mundaneness. I think because, Because that 290 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,200 feels boring, frankly, yeah. It just feels. 291 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:41,240 It feels unexciting. It feels as if I am living a 292 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,320 loveless marriage with a a God who has created me and formed me 293 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,880 and brought me into his family. And the, you know, the, the 294 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,440 beauty of, of this podcast is, you know, we've been hitting a 295 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,720 lot of these topics of just that the dated the day-to-day life. 296 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,880 And I think hopefully that's some of the value we're bringing 297 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,680 to our listeners is, you know, we're, we're not, we're not 298 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,000 experts, we're not theologians, we're not academics. 299 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,600 Frankly, what the only thing we're good at is, is sharing our 300 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,440 real life experiences of what this stuff looks like in our 301 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,440 day-to-day life, and then weaving that in with tangents 302 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:23,360 and humor that that make it humorous as we look at how crazy 303 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,440 and relentless and overwhelming our lives are. 304 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,760 And so circling back to to your point, Clayton, I think you 305 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,040 know, as as much as we don't want it to be the case, the 306 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:40,600 absolute reality of faith is that it is essentially boring. 307 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,960 It is boring. It is day after day after day 308 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,880 after day. Choosing the right next step. 309 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:52,120 I think about, I got to visit recently with a good friend of 310 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,840 mine who's become a religious sister. 311 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,520 And you know, for those, for those who may not be aware of 312 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,640 basically women and, and, and men who, you know, have a deep 313 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,480 love of, of Christ, they, they oftentimes will say, Hey, I'm 314 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,599 going to forego marriage to, to become a religious sister. 315 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,240 And so I'm, I'm kind of marrying Jesus in a way. 316 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:12,920 And a lot of them will, will live in convents where they, 317 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:16,760 they very frequent, E frequently, infrequently. 318 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:18,760 What? Did. 319 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,480 You say ear frequently. Infrequently. 320 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,920 Get to leave the convent. And so I was just asking her 321 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,119 about that like, hey, what's that experience like of doing 322 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,800 the exact same thing every single day for years and years 323 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,560 and years on it. And her response was, it's so 324 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,520 beautiful because God isn't found in the big moments. 325 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,080 He's found them in the my faithfulness to the monotony of 326 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,760 the tasks that my superior has asked me to complete. 327 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:54,520 And so faith is boring in so much as it requires the fidelity 328 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:00,120 of the fidelity of the individual to the mundane tasks 329 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:03,360 that that our Lord has asked us to complete each day. 330 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,800 Cut, cut. That's it. 331 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,840 Another trademark to John Michael monologue that was. 332 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,920 Easy that. Was absolutely wonderful. 333 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Easy. I do that in my sleep. 334 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,440 Well, I think something that honestly all of us can can 335 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,720 relate to some of our listeners are probably married, many of 336 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,640 them are probably not at the same time, but that's just such 337 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,200 a relatable thing in in marriage as well is just that. 338 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,280 Did you notice what he said? What? 339 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,040 Because many of our listeners are married, many are also not 340 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,480 married at the same time. We're all married to the game. 341 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,800 You know, I can't believe this is my life. 342 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,120 All right? Is that? 343 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,240 Yeah. I mean, very similar to the way 344 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,120 that God draws us to himself. Remember the like after your 345 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:49,080 your first date with your now life and you're just like just 346 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,080 on top of the. World I floated home. 347 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,080 Feet didn't even touch the ground. 348 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,000 After your first. Date my Pontiac Grand Am turned 349 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,120 into a Grand Wagoneer all of a sudden, I mean. 350 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,000 Clown's first date with Reagan, he. 351 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Told this at my rehearsal dinner. 352 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,160 So. It was in San Antonio where 353 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,040 where his wife is from and where I'm from as well. 354 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,800 And so he, he was staying at my place and he gets home from the 355 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,160 date just open. I he opens the door and I, you 356 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,680 know, I'm waiting for him downstairs and The Cave and how 357 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,320 to go. Doesn't make eye contact, just 358 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,760 walks in, leans against the wall and then just goes, Oh, I like 359 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,920 deflate and like falls to the ground. 360 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,080 Like his back against the wall just slides. 361 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,160 Down. I'm in love, I'm in love and I 362 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,960 don't care who knows it. Reagan, I love you more now than 363 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,560 I did. Oh geez. 364 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,120 Shut up. I mean, I feel it all the time. 365 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,040 We're not showing either. No, but I mean, you know, you go 366 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,880 through and then the same thing happens when you get married. 367 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,880 You know, you go through, you go through the honeymoon phase and 368 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,280 then, you know, normal life starts hitting and the and the 369 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,400 mundane. What are you laughing at now? 370 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,040 It's just. Yeah. 371 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,080 I'm laughing because you, your honeymoon, you got really sick. 372 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:12,080 I did, yeah. Mundane hit quick. 373 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:14,640 It did, and you would face on me every time. 374 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,280 Did I? You were alone in my bed, in 375 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,920 your. Hotel room and you would flip 376 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,560 the camera to the window and to like the beach and be like, 377 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,480 there's Reagan. I'm in here with a fever. 378 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,080 They told me I had Zika virus, so that was really scary. 379 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,080 That is scary so. Did you have it? 380 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,200 I did not end up having Zika virus, probably. 381 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,360 Who's Zika? Hardly Noah. 382 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:47,120 All right, what are we talking about? 383 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,800 OK, so. So. 384 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,200 How your marriage is very mundane. 385 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,800 I'm just, I'm just saying, you know that we tell me you all can 386 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,880 relate to this. No, probably. 387 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,320 Every day of my marriage is better than this before. 388 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,840 It's just that, yeah, you start going through, you know, 389 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,040 everyday life and I would say, you know, there's, there's some 390 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,320 days where my wife and I are really able to, to connect with 391 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,160 each other at the beginning of the day or the end of the day, 392 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,160 and sometimes where we try to connect to each other and we 393 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,200 just don't. Just miss. 394 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Yeah, you just miss and, you know, sometimes you go on a date 395 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,280 and it's pretty normal. You just, you know, you talk, 396 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,240 you know, you share some things and and then other times you go 397 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,960 on a date and you're like, man, I really love you, you know, and 398 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,760 it's just, you know, that those, those moments are, you know, 399 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,600 I'm, I'm not saying that, you know, you need, what we're 400 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 trying to say is you don't need the big retreat in order to to 401 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,240 feel the same feelings. You know, you don't need the big 402 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,960 new decision or the monumental thing in order to to chase, in 403 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,840 order to chase those those feelings back. 404 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,400 But I would say definitely within marriage, you know, 405 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,120 there's a fidelity and, and commitment that you have on a 406 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:58,560 day-to-day basis, which some days you feel, you know, and 407 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,000 some days and some days you don't feel, you know, and you 408 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,720 know, there's, there's graces within marriage in the same way 409 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,400 that there's graces within prayer where, yeah, there's a 410 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,920 grace of, Oh my gosh, we just went on a really great date, you 411 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,080 know, and now we feel more, more connected. 412 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,680 And I feel like I'm so much more present to you than I was 413 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,520 yesterday or the last week. And sometimes, you know, a great 414 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,480 day. And it was just, it was just 415 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,960 really normal. And you're still, you're looking 416 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,440 for those, you know, feelings again. 417 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,120 And sometimes they come and sometimes they don't. 418 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:28,120 And so here's a question, you know, how do we get out of the, 419 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,640 the mode of, you know, relying on our feelings in order to fuel 420 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,480 our decision making, say. It one more time, how do you? 421 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,440 You know, you know, I would say when you're, when you're 422 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,640 younger, you know, you I, I guess another analogy I can use 423 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,040 is that I'm, you know, you both of you both know that I'm a big 424 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:52,200 phase guy. I couldn't understand you. 425 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,760 You've never said something more true. 426 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,000 You know, and there's a, a rush of excitement, you know, in 427 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,120 order to, to begin something and that last two weeks and, and it 428 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,240 kind of dies down and I come up with another idea and then I 429 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,320 chase that thing for a couple weeks and then, you know, it 430 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,720 kind of dies down and you know, it's my, it's my, it's, it's 431 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,480 this rush of excitement. It's fueling this energy that's, 432 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,840 you know, making me do all these things. 433 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,000 And when that goes away, I'm like. 434 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,400 Yeah, you know, moving on. Moving on, on to the on to the 435 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,680 next thing. So what is that? 436 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,360 What does that look? How do you, what does it take to 437 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,800 kind of have that shift in your life where you know, I'm going 438 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:31,880 to choose to be faithful and, yeah, faithful to my everyday 439 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,520 duties to, to my spouse and, and, and to God, regardless of 440 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,920 the way that I feel about it in that moment? 441 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,040 How does that shift begin to happen within you? 442 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,880 I find that if you if you look at your spiritual life and you 443 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,120 look at your experience of our Lord like fence posts. 444 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,480 Hear me out, Jose all. Right. 445 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,640 Stop listening. Here we go. 446 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,440 So if you can imagine a fence, you have, you know, let's say a 447 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,440 barbed wire fence, you got your post and you have the barbed 448 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,400 wire to the next fence, the barbed wire to the next, the 449 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,800 next fence and and the the post is what is holding the barbed 450 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,720 wire up. What is the analogy there is 451 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,520 that you should have fence posts in your day that bring you back 452 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,360 and hold you up close to our Lord without having to really 453 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,000 think about it or choose it for yourself. 454 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,240 So a good fence post could be in the morning upon waking. 455 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,880 I have a fence post of the morning offering which is 456 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,680 basically just a prayer offering my day to God. 457 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:40,360 Then my next fence post is when I get in my car, which I do 458 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:44,680 every morning to drive to work. That next fit fence post is 459 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,480 maybe I I listen to the rosary meditation on on hallow and then 460 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,680 the next fence post is at noon I pray the Angelus and the Angelus 461 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,720 is basically just a prayer to Our Lady to recenter. 462 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,760 And then at 3:00, my next fence post is I pray the Divine Mercy 463 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,200 Chaplet. And then right before bed, I do 464 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,640 an examination. And so you're not, you're not 465 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840 relying on emotion, You're relying on the consistency and 466 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,360 the habits of things you are already doing in your life. 467 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,200 Getting in the car, looking at the clock, going to sleep, 468 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,960 waking up in the morning. And these are those kind of 469 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,040 fence post moments throughout the day so that you can set 470 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,680 boundaries around yourself to create spaces for for these 471 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,480 moments. Because when we rely on emotion, 472 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,720 emotion is fleeting and, and habits and decisions are what 473 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,760 last. And so if you're relying on 474 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,040 emotion, that's going to run out at a certain point and, and 475 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,960 desire will run out. But when you have these markers 476 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,800 that remind us to enter into a behavior, that's actually where 477 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:49,440 you see success come. Yeah, I kind of approach it a 478 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,400 little differently and it ends up being the same thing. 479 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,080 But I don't know if we talked about it on the show. 480 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,560 I think we did a couple of months ago at this point where I 481 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,480 think growing up, like I always had a hard time with emotions. 482 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,480 I don't feel a lot of emotions strongly, which is why I wanted 483 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,480 to be Acia secret agent for a long time. 484 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,480 You did did we talk about that on the show? 485 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:11,760 I. Think. 486 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,680 I don't think so. Yeah, I wanted to be a a special 487 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,800 agent for the CIA because I was like, Oh well, if I don't feel a 488 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:24,840 lot of emotion, I'd be great at international espionage with 489 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,040 that. Emotion. 490 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,720 When did that dream end? I don't think it. 491 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,360 Did like, at what point were you just like, hey, your phone has 492 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:33,960 been turned off recently, frequently. 493 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:40,360 Yeah, I mean, hey, I can neither confirm or deny if that dream is 494 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,960 ended. Catholic Missionary would be a 495 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,840 heck of a cover. Yeah, it would. 496 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,040 Podcast, yeah. Podcaster And so with that, for 497 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,560 me, a lot of these things haven't been, which I get this 498 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,040 is what I'm saying. Like it ends up being the same 499 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,920 thing, but the new ones of like, it's not emotion driven, but I 500 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,280 am very lazy. I'm a very lazy individual. 501 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,200 And so for me, it's just like in the moment, I will never pick 502 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,280 the harder thing because I'm lazy. 503 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,880 And so kind of you're saying these fence posts that keep you 504 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,800 kind of centered. I think for me, it's just like 505 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,880 discipline. I just have to like, I, I have 506 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,280 to rely on discipline in order to get there, in order to get 507 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,400 anywhere because I am lazy, right? 508 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,120 And I, I like what you said. I like your whole analogy with 509 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,800 the fence post. Don't love that. 510 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,120 Use barbed wire as a type of fence. 511 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:37,160 But yeah, of like I have to rely on discipline for my fidelity 512 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,200 to, to God, right? To continue to show up because I 513 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,480 know myself and I know that I am lazy and I know that I will 514 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,680 always choose the easier or the path of least resistance. 515 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,960 And there's a lot less resistance in not thinking about 516 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,440 goddamn there isn't thinking about God. 517 00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:01,320 Follow up question, OK, love the fence post analogy and you have 518 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,360 fence posts for, you know, your prayer life in the same way that 519 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,000 I'm I'm sure that you in the same way you have fence posts 520 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,720 and your family life as well regular routines and things to 521 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,040 connect with your spouse and children. 522 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,040 How do you avoid those fence posts from turning into just 523 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,560 tasks that you have to accomplish? 524 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,960 You know, yeah, you go to you go to the Angeles, you go to the 525 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,920 diamonds of Chapel. But it just, hey, this is just 526 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,240 another, you know, thing that I'm checking off my list because 527 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,640 I'm supposed to do it. It's funny because. 528 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,920 I think it's impossible to never fall into that. 529 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,480 You will fall into that some. Yeah, you're destined to to get 530 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,520 that mindset. I I took this to a new level 531 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,360 though in terms of check boxes. So we all are wearing, we're big 532 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,960 woop fans and one of the values. Not sponsored yet yet. 533 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,360 But it's a high performance wearable as we've determined. 534 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,560 And. For high performance people 535 00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,960 looking at. Us and please sponsor us but 536 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,360 there there's a daily journal that you log your behaviors into 537 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,600 and and and typically people do behaviors like did I eat well 538 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,960 today did how many alcoholic beverages do I have did I use 539 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,000 nicotine? You know, but then there's some 540 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,160 kind of crazy ones, you know, it's like you can actually log 541 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,880 like did you have sexual intimacy today? 542 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,960 Don't know why big data would need to know that. 543 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,320 Not going to put that in my big data, but there's one where you 544 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,120 can do. Did you pray today? 545 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,080 And so I started logging my prayer on my. 546 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,680 Whoop, it's literally a trick. Box. 547 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,680 Yeah, it it is actually a check box. 548 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,120 And then it it shows you how many times you did the behavior 549 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,160 or didn't do that behavior. And then I started doing some AB 550 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,520 testing to see when I prayed. You're like, OK, I'm not going 551 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400 to pray today. God, today I'm not going to 552 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,000 pray, but it's. It's a placebo for data. 553 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,200 It's a placebo. My placebo. 554 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:01,520 Prayer time. But I was after, after, after 555 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240 two months, I was like, what am I doing? 556 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,960 This is ridiculous. I'm literally seeing if my 557 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,400 prayer effects my, my stress levels, my cortisol levels and 558 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,160 my HRV. This is, this is totally 559 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,680 ludicrous. And so I think the the damage of 560 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,760 tracking these things and turning these things into habits 561 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,640 to accomplish is that they can just be one of the many ways 562 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,320 that you are trying to gamify yourself into being the best 563 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,200 version. Let's say the danger, not the 564 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,000 damage. That danger, yeah. 565 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,600 But to your original question, like yeah, I think it's 566 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,880 impossible to never fall into that of like it's just a check 567 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,240 box. I think the important piece is 568 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:50,880 being able to catch yourself and get out of it and and be re get 569 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,520 your new pair of glasses right so that you can start being more 570 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,000 intentional with the Lord. And I think some people fall 571 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,200 into that, that thought process. And I have two of like, I, I 572 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000 don't want this to just be something I'm checking the box 573 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000 of. So I'm I'm just not even going 574 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,160 to schedule it in. I think it's the danger. 575 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,600 So that, so that might you know, when my heart leaps at God, then 576 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880 I'll just jump into prayer. You know, Mother Teresa said 577 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,520 that she would she would encounter the Lord throughout 578 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,040 her day. And so I I no longer go pray so 579 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,360 I can encounter God throughout my day. 580 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,560 I just see him in the car, I see him in the shelf. 581 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,520 My favorite was working with college students that are like 582 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,440 building up the basic like habits of a Christian. 583 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,880 It's like, oh, how's your prayer life? 584 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,720 Like? Oh, it's great. 585 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,240 Like, what do you what do you do? 586 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,480 Like, oh, well, you know, I pay before meals. 587 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,200 Sometimes I'll pray in the shower in before bed. 588 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,920 I'm like, OK, so you dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 589 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,600 You haven't prayed. Well, you said no, you don't do 590 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,640 any of those things. And he was like. 591 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,680 No, I don't do anything. He's like, yeah, I know, I know. 592 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,520 That's just what you say. You know, right before meals, 593 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,240 you know, thank you for this food. 594 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,240 Amen. Amen. 595 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,040 Well, here at the All In Podcast, we want our listeners 596 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,880 to know that God is with you in the ordinary, and All In wants 597 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,200 to be with you in the ordinary as well. 598 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,280 Whether you're in the car, you're in the shower, you're 599 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,680 eating breakfast, you're on your commute, make sure to to share 600 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,240 with a friend that that has a a 30 minute commute that that 601 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,920 needs a laugh. Make sure to like and subscribe 602 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,960 as one of those fence posts in your life so that all in in the 603 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,840 same way as God can always be with you. 604 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,920 This is the all in podcast. Thanks for listening.