1 00:00:09,900 --> 00:00:13,400 Hey listeners. This is Neil who devic and Amir 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,100 Jan Dolly, welcome to leave looking at. 3 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:19,500 Where we have uplifting conversations about the state of 4 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:23,200 the world, with our heroes, with the intention to demystify 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,200 orient and leave you our listeners inspired. 6 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:30,900 Clear, Wasserman is an inspirational Teacher and author 7 00:00:31,100 --> 00:00:35,300 who founded, ladies, get paid a platform community and book the 8 00:00:35,300 --> 00:00:37,300 Champions. The professional and financial 9 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:40,600 advancement of women named as one of the top, 100, most 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,800 powerful women by Entrepreneur magazine, and one of the 75 most 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,800 influential Financial leaders by Marquis, who's who Claire has 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,600 advocated for women globally. She's hosted podcast and has 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,800 garnered international coverage for her work. 14 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:59,400 In today's episode, we sat down with Clare to learn how she 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,300 built a business. That's changed the game for 16 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:04,900 women, in business, through Community Education and 17 00:01:04,900 --> 00:01:07,400 empowerment. We hope you enjoy it as much as 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,400 we did and leave afterwards looking up. 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,100 So now, without further Ado, let's start this episode. 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,500 Thank you very much for being here with us. 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,700 Thank you for having me and thanks everybody for listening. 22 00:01:22,100 --> 00:01:24,800 She's an activist. She's an entrepreneur. 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,200 The list goes on. We're really glad to have her 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,200 today. And want to start understanding 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,000 a bit. How did you get here? 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,500 Claire, what brought you to this? 27 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:36,500 Incredible space. We've done all these different 28 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:38,300 things. How much time do we have? 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,600 Yeah, okay, the whole day women are struggling. 30 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:46,400 We are struggling. There is a wage Gap in 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,300 investment Gap, funding Gap, leadership Gap, Gap, you name 32 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:53,000 it. We're we need to make more money 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,000 and that's not something that I fully realized until I had a 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,000 pretty sexist experience. That woke me up. 35 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:05,100 This was probably 2015, I went to this advertising Festival, 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,400 south of France, very fancy first night, there was a party 37 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:12,600 and I walk into the party older guy comes up to me very nice. 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,800 Smiley sticks out his hand and he says Well, hi now whose wife 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,800 for you? Oh, okay. 40 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:23,100 That's what this is going to be about and it was a full week of 41 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:27,300 interactions like that. Just constantly, you know, 42 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:30,300 whether I was not being taken, seriously, being objectified 43 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:34,400 ignored, just felt like I had constantly had to navigate this 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,600 like gender power Dynamic. And it was really exhausting and 45 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,800 of inoffensive at times really offensive. 46 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:44,500 And after that, I, you know, I went home and I wrote a little 47 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:48,400 essay, Hey, of trying to understand my place in those 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,500 interactions. So it wasn't these guys suck. 49 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:54,000 It was actually turning inwards in wondering. 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,400 Did I cause any of those interactions? 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,800 Right. I think a lot of women in 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,800 particular tend to do this, we blame ourselves and when I 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,200 shared the the essay with some friends, they immediately went 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,900 back, they said, oh my gosh, I have also experienced this, can 55 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:09,100 I share with my friends? Sure, I started to get emails 56 00:03:09,100 --> 00:03:11,300 from people. I didn't know kind of like my 57 00:03:11,300 --> 00:03:14,000 essay was going viral in my inbox. 58 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,600 To give some context Claire wrote this essay back in 2015, 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,900 before it became more acceptable to talk about. 60 00:03:21,900 --> 00:03:25,800 These kinds of experiences time's up in me to the movements 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,200 that went viral on social media, and has helped draw attention to 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,500 the pervasive sexual harassment, women experience in their 63 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:37,400 workplace, in their lives happened in 2017 in like people 64 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,600 were not really talking about. I mean, there was no mean to 65 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,600 like, we were not talking about this stuff and, you know, I just 66 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,200 started to research. Like I remember typing into 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,300 Google also sort of funny, I typed into Google women work and 68 00:03:49,300 --> 00:03:52,200 equality like no idea where to begin. 69 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,500 And so in uncovering these statistics I really was shocked. 70 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,400 I was shocked. And I was ashamed actually 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,300 because I didn't realize how bad it was particularly for women of 72 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:06,300 color. This was really bad. 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,400 I just want to for the listeners out there. 74 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,200 Get a bit more of the gravity of the situation where it was then 75 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:13,500 what metrics do we need to know about? 76 00:04:13,500 --> 00:04:15,700 Yeah it's unfortunate. Only not going to surprise you 77 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,100 and we can talk more about what the wage Gap means. 78 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:20,200 There are people who think that it doesn't exist. 79 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:23,800 There are nuances to it. I do want to say like it is it 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,800 absolutely exists all together. It's about 80 cents on the 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,500 dollar 70 to 80 cents on the dollar. 82 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:31,600 Okay, that's the aggregate. But when you break it down, 83 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,900 further black women it's closer to 60 cents on the dollar. 84 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,600 And like I said before, Hispanic women 55 cents on the dollar 85 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:40,400 actually Asian women have the smallest wage Gap, even smaller 86 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,300 than white women. So the way that the wage Gap is 87 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:44,500 calculated, it takes in a lot of different. 88 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,100 Factors. Some of it is you know just 89 00:04:47,100 --> 00:04:49,900 based on the industry, women tend to be in lower-paid 90 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:53,000 Industries than men. It's also based on the roles 91 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,200 that we have within those Industries roles that we have 92 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,600 within the organization itself. These are actually called 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,300 occupational segregation and so you're going to see things like 94 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:05,500 as a society. We've decided we're going to pay 95 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:08,500 teachers less when you look in the school system, who tends to 96 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:10,900 be principals and superintendents and they make 97 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:13,900 the most men. So then there's a wage Gap, 98 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,900 right? The women who are the teachers 99 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:18,000 and the men were the principles in the superintendent's now you 100 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,200 could say well what's the wage Gap? 101 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,700 There you know, these women are, they're not choosing to be 102 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:24,300 principles they're not choosing to be superintendents. 103 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Are they really not choosing it or are there other underlying 104 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,400 issues here like lack of Paid Family? 105 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,800 Leave, You know, the default caretakers are women? 106 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:35,100 There's a lot of layers. You got to peel back. 107 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:39,700 There are industries that used to be male dominated and those 108 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:43,300 industries were paid more when they were male-dominated over 109 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:47,200 time they shifted. And became more female dominated 110 00:05:47,300 --> 00:05:50,100 and then all of a sudden they get paid less or vice versa. 111 00:05:50,700 --> 00:05:54,200 So software Engineers, a lot of women are software Engineers 112 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,800 back in the day, they were paid less now very male-dominated, 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,500 they're paid more interior, decorating, very male-dominated, 114 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:05,500 used to be paid more now. It's more female-dominated paid 115 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:09,400 last even like retail right, service workers, their hourly 116 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,200 the paid, the least, and guess who they're dominated by women 117 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,400 of color and often times. Those are single mothers. 118 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:17,600 Yes, and so that everything gets compounded. 119 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,000 Thank you. That is some fantastic context. 120 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:23,800 Just one thing to mention. Whenever, you know, we all enter 121 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,800 the workforce, we're all getting paid pretty much the same. 122 00:06:25,900 --> 00:06:28,500 You know, when it shifts when women have their first child 123 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:31,000 guy, it's actually called the motherhood penalty. 124 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:32,900 So if you know anybody listening, if there's one 125 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:36,100 takeaway, you know, does the wage Gap exists or not, there is 126 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:39,900 a big drop off when you see women have kids not the case for 127 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:43,700 when a man has his first child. In fact, oftentimes men get 128 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:46,600 raises And that's called the fatherhood bonus. 129 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,200 We just pay mother's less. We just do. 130 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,600 And as a society, we do not have a safety net for families. 131 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:56,400 I told you we're going to start in a really depressing way it 132 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,700 gets better. I'm just sitting with that a 133 00:06:58,707 --> 00:07:02,300 moment and trying to imagine what it was like as you learned 134 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:07,100 all of this information that rage that anger for me there was 135 00:07:07,100 --> 00:07:10,000 a fundamental shift like there was the before the statistics 136 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,500 and then there was the after and when reading this stuff it just 137 00:07:13,500 --> 00:07:18,500 it made me so angry but I had no place to put the anger because I 138 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:21,000 didn't know as an individual. You know, what can you possibly 139 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,900 do to combat something? That is so systemic. 140 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,200 Humming structural entrenched overwhelming and so I did 141 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,200 nothing. I just kind of felt pissed for 142 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,300 like a year and it really wasn't until a friend of mine came to 143 00:07:35,308 --> 00:07:37,500 me and she said that she recently discovered that she was 144 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,900 just not charging as much as her male counterparts, you know, 145 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:42,900 could you put on an event? Or is there something we could 146 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:44,000 do? I don't know. 147 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,200 What are your thoughts? And that was my aha moment 148 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:49,300 because I realized back to that question of as an individual, 149 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:51,800 what could I do to combat something that was systemic like 150 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,500 the wage Gap? It Was charging more. 151 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,700 Oh my gosh. Could I could I close my own 152 00:07:56,700 --> 00:07:58,500 wage Gap? Let's start there. 153 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,100 I then hosted an event. It was a town hall for women to 154 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:04,600 talk about money and everything changed. 155 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,600 After that, I had had a start-up before. 156 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:09,900 I want a sad one and a half startups failed. 157 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:13,500 Although I actually they're not fail startups because they've 158 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:15,000 absolutely morphed into what I do now. 159 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,700 So I feel like I was practicing for this for a long time. 160 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:22,600 You mentioned you'd started companies before and as is the 161 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,800 entrepreneurship game, they don't always work out what felt 162 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,400 different here. One thing I want to say in my 163 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,400 previous startups is I didn't know how to make decisions. 164 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,299 I didn't know how to make business decisions like how do 165 00:08:36,299 --> 00:08:38,500 we monetize decisions? And that's why I ended up going 166 00:08:38,500 --> 00:08:42,000 to work for other startups to learn how to do that. 167 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:46,000 So if I were to do those things now, I do believe they would 168 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 work but only because I have an honor. 169 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:51,200 Standing of how business Works in general. 170 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,100 So there is something different about ladies, get paid for sure, 171 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:58,100 but mostly I'm just different. So I saw the need, then I 172 00:08:58,108 --> 00:09:01,400 instantly saw how I could solve the need and how I would make 173 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,700 money from that need. Because in my mind, if you don't 174 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:06,700 have an idea of how you're going to make money, it's not a 175 00:09:06,700 --> 00:09:08,700 business. It's a project which I have had 176 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:10,600 before. For me, the way that this was 177 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,400 going to make money was I was Finding instructors, coaches 178 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,200 money, coaches, career, coaches, and putting on workshops with 179 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,500 them where we would just split the ticket sales and then I saw 180 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:20,800 the larger vision You know, you begin with salary negotiation, 181 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,400 but there's so much more me, it's like you make more money or 182 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,500 what do you do with your money? Where do you invest it? 183 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Wait, let's take a step back. How do you even make the case 184 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,700 for more money in the first place? 185 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,000 Well, are you in the right job? Do you love what you do, right? 186 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,100 So I could see what the vision was. 187 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:38,100 But I also understood that how important it is to really 188 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:40,900 listen. And a big game changer to all of 189 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:43,800 this was actually went across the country and I hosted town 190 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,900 halls in 19 cities that that town hall that I started in New 191 00:09:46,908 --> 00:09:48,200 York for women to talk about money. 192 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,800 I did it all. Over the country and I really 193 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,100 got to see where the energy was that was crucial. 194 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:57,500 There's an extra element of if you can experience where they 195 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:00,900 have energy, you are going to do an even better job. 196 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:05,100 Serving them where, you know, we started the email by saying I'm 197 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:07,700 sorry that it took me a day to respond to you. 198 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,200 Why don't we say thanks for your patience right? 199 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Women tend to say I'm sorry for things that have nothing to do. 200 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:17,600 You never should feel sorry for those things but we're 201 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,000 constantly again, making ourselves. 202 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:22,800 Small by apologizing. So I would say start counting be 203 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,400 observant of how many times you do kind of deflect or or make 204 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,700 yourself smaller in that way. Unfortunately 2020 and 21 had 205 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:34,900 different plans, like many of us. 206 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:37,900 The pandemic changed Claire's approach to work right? 207 00:10:37,900 --> 00:10:41,700 Where more online were not as in person and considering that that 208 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:45,900 was so much of your fuel and you're recharged physically 209 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,900 spiritually. How has that changed? 210 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,700 Age that the people that you're advocating for you don't get to 211 00:10:51,700 --> 00:10:54,600 meet them to see them to feel them in person. 212 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,500 What you know what's what how how are you navigating that? 213 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,500 Well, first of all, there's a downside to do in the in-person. 214 00:11:00,500 --> 00:11:03,000 You can't scale as quickly. Okay? 215 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,200 It's exhausting. But right now it's more like the 216 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,200 one-on-one conversations with people as opposed to the group 217 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,600 dynamic, you know, when I get wonderful emails and, you know, 218 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,300 DM's and I said of just looking at it for one second, I really 219 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:20,500 sit with it and when a person tells me, Story or something 220 00:11:20,500 --> 00:11:22,900 amazing that happened or thing that they overcame. 221 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,100 I really like feel. It's right. 222 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:28,100 But I have to make an active effort to do that. 223 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,900 Otherwise, it's just like, oh cool, nice message and then you 224 00:11:30,908 --> 00:11:33,200 move on. So, I just have to kind of slow 225 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,600 myself down a little bit. I think when I have those 226 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,800 interactions when they're online, yeah, different worlds, 227 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:43,100 different world now. But navigating the workforce 228 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:45,500 during the pandemic, it can be a challenging time. 229 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:48,600 We all know this, but women in the u.s. they're losing more 230 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,300 than Five million jobs, we caught up with three determine 231 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:55,900 women looking for the secrets, to resetting their job, search 232 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:58,800 and the career coach helping, ladies, get paid. 233 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:02,900 That was Robin Roberts, introducing Claire on Good 234 00:12:02,900 --> 00:12:08,500 Morning, America in 2021, Claire adapted to the pandemic and grew 235 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:10,000 her business, by supporting women. 236 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,100 Virtually planning webinars, putting together a video library 237 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:17,000 and building her slack Community, which is now made up 238 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,000 of 55,000 women who Changed over two million messages growth in 239 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,400 the face of a pandemic is so impressive but it wasn't the 240 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,600 only challenge that she faced and overcame on this journey. 241 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:31,700 I can only imagine in this space that you're in this landscape. 242 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:35,000 You've gotten lots of feedback about your role and your company 243 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,800 how you respond when people have given you criticism or feedback 244 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:40,200 both from your audience and your competitor. 245 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:44,700 Well, we were sued for gender discrimination by a group of 246 00:12:44,700 --> 00:12:49,500 men's rights activists. So yeah, so talk About 247 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:51,900 criticism. I mean if anyone's curious and 248 00:12:51,908 --> 00:12:54,900 wants to go down a rabbit hole and get really fucking mad go to 249 00:12:54,900 --> 00:13:00,100 ladies, get sued.com, we did a whole campaign around it ladies 250 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:03,100 get sued.com is worth visiting to get the full story. 251 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:06,300 Here's a short clip from the main video posted to that site 252 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:08,900 where Claire explains, just what she was up against because of 253 00:13:08,900 --> 00:13:10,900 the nature of our events are so sensitive. 254 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:13,400 I mean we're talking about things from like discrimination 255 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,500 and harassment. I made the decision to make it 256 00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:20,000 for female identifying and non-binary people only I just 257 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,400 felt that if there were men in the room, that it would really 258 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,900 make it uncomfortable for women to speak up, but then we got 259 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:30,000 sued for gender discrimination. Thankfully, they hit their crowd 260 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,800 funding goal. We're nearly 2,000, people have 261 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,900 contributed a combined 115, thousand dollars to help support 262 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:40,600 ladies. Get paid legal costs, plus 263 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,400 continue to support the efforts of ladies. 264 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,700 Get paid as a whole that's been like, my biggest outside group 265 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:50,900 of people hating what we do. Do it was further validation of 266 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:53,500 what we do but also very demoralizing. 267 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,800 You know, like this is what the world is, right? 268 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,100 So there's that no nobody is ever as critical of me as I am 269 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:03,000 of myself. Everybody's quite lovely 270 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,800 actually, the thing that's been hardest actually is trying to 271 00:14:07,808 --> 00:14:10,600 figure out why something isn't working. 272 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,000 That's the thing, I don't think enough people talk about it's 273 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,100 like learn from your mistakes. Well sometimes you don't know 274 00:14:16,100 --> 00:14:19,900 what the mistake actually is. You just know Didn't work. 275 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,500 So that requires trying things again and again and again and 276 00:14:24,500 --> 00:14:27,800 through that process learning how to not take it personally. 277 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,500 Which if you, you know, if you had large part, align your 278 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:34,400 identity, you know, the who you are with, what you do. 279 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:38,600 If you are purpose-driven, then you really can't extricate 280 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,500 yourself from this stuff, it will be personal to a certain 281 00:14:41,500 --> 00:14:43,700 extent and I don't think that's bad. 282 00:14:43,700 --> 00:14:46,300 Just a piece of advice that I have learned in that will may be 283 00:14:46,300 --> 00:14:49,000 helpful for other people who are taking things personally, or If 284 00:14:49,008 --> 00:14:52,200 you're dealing with criticism in general, you are not a mind 285 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,500 reader. What I mean by this is I hosted 286 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:58,000 a town hall in Minnesota Minneapolis and I thought it 287 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,000 went horribly horribly because to me sort of success is the 288 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,300 energy in the room, there was no energy in the room. 289 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:07,100 Nobody laughed. Nobody said anything. 290 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:08,600 I mean, that's the whole point of a town hall, right? 291 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,300 Is that like, we all have to stand up here. 292 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:13,600 So I leave this town hall. And I think, man, not only did 293 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,600 this go poorly. I suck at this, and maybe I 294 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:16,800 shouldn't even be running ladies. 295 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,600 Get paid the community deserves better. 296 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,700 Like I bloomed this out. I could task revised it. 297 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:25,200 The next morning I wake up with my receive an email from 298 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,500 somebody. I don't know saying wow, that 299 00:15:27,500 --> 00:15:29,600 was life-changing for me. Thank you so much. 300 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:32,800 So now I'm pissed because I'm like, did I just spent all this 301 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:33,800 in her? I almost quit. 302 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Ladies get paid. What happened? 303 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,300 And I talked to this woman, another woman there who I knew, 304 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,700 and she said, oh Claire, its cultural like what do you think? 305 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:46,200 Cultural is America? She does it's Midwestern. 306 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,800 Nice is what she called it people. 307 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:52,900 I hear they were afraid by speaking up that they would be a 308 00:15:52,908 --> 00:15:56,300 burden or annoying or taking the mic from somebody else. 309 00:15:56,700 --> 00:16:00,600 I was like, oh, oh so this wasn't a reflection on how much 310 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,800 they liked it? No, not at all, it's our 311 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,700 culture. Wow, that was game-changing for 312 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:08,300 me because every time I go into a situation where I'm making 313 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:11,300 assumptions about how I think other people are receiving me, 314 00:16:11,700 --> 00:16:15,300 receiving and perceiving. I'm probably wrong and just 315 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:17,700 nobody cares as much about you as you think you do. 316 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,900 I think about themselves as it turns out even the most 317 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,100 influential leaders doubt themselves. 318 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:29,900 After the break Claire shares, how she's turned that self-doubt 319 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,000 into a unique strength. Plus the biggest challenges she 320 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,900 faces in her own career, the people that have helped her get 321 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:40,300 to where she is now, and what's changed about the anger that 322 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:42,800 fueled her to start. Ladies, get paid in the first 323 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,100 place. Hi Claire. 324 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,600 Hi, thanks for coming on the avocado show. 325 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:49,200 Thanks for having me. My name is, Shawna Gregory I am 326 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,700 the chief program officer women who code and I'm really excited 327 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:55,500 today to chat with our guest. Claire wasserman's, welcome to 328 00:16:55,508 --> 00:16:57,600 sit down. I'm DJ sex with Claire wasman 329 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,400 here with us today. I am incredibly Beyond excited 330 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,400 to welcome our next guest on to the show, Claire Wasserman. 331 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,300 Claire is, I'm just delighted to have her Claire Wasserman, who 332 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:12,000 is back by popular demand before the break. 333 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,099 She mentioned that in spite of all of her achievements, she 334 00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:18,400 still her own biggest critic, but instead of trying to hide 335 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,900 her Cause she Embraces them having successfully navigated a 336 00:17:22,900 --> 00:17:26,500 pandemic, a lawsuit, and all the challenges that come along with 337 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:29,600 building a business. Claire is now a highly 338 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,900 sought-after educator that's shared her expertise, with 339 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:36,900 organizations, like NASA, the United Nations, Harvard, 340 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:39,100 Business School, and many, many more. 341 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:42,200 I've done a lot of reflecting, but also getting perspective 342 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,100 from others. And they always say, you know, 343 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:47,100 what makes me, I think special and maybe different is. 344 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:48,700 I'm just right there. Fuck. 345 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:51,600 I'm with you. Like I'm like me too, buddy. 346 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,000 I struggle with money. Like, let me tell you about my 347 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,400 imposter syndrome as I, you know, I'm very much like a work 348 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,000 in progress, so I think people appreciate that and it's 349 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,300 catharsis for me. So thank you all for being part 350 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:09,100 of my therapy session right now. And I transferred that to like, 351 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:11,900 okay, so what makes me but the connect to others is by being, 352 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:13,800 you know, transparent with my own struggles. 353 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:18,000 So the email that I get after every town hall every event you 354 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,900 know, reading the book. I thought I was the only one, 355 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,900 but now I realize I'm not, because I've seen myself in 356 00:18:23,900 --> 00:18:27,300 another. Have you found any exercise? 357 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:29,900 That might, you know, help somebody regain their sense of 358 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:31,900 personal power? And therefore ask for that, 359 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:35,700 raise or like, reframe something in a way that helps them 360 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:37,700 articulate. Something they couldn't before. 361 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:39,900 Well I always say you don't talk about therapy. 362 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:41,600 Like this. Always comes down to how you 363 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,800 just like feel about yourself and how in tune you are with 364 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,500 yourself because there could be somebody who's like I'm going 365 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:48,800 for this raise. I'm working my ass. 366 00:18:48,900 --> 00:18:51,900 Ass off, but it's not working. And sometimes it's maybe you're 367 00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:54,100 not the right job. Like you're not in the right 368 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:55,700 company, you're not in the right role. 369 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,500 Like we need to be rethinking like you're not alive, like you 370 00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:01,100 haven't come alive and what you do. 371 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:03,800 So there's a reason you're not shining or being recognized. 372 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:06,100 That means going back to the drawing board and perhaps 373 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:08,300 pivoting. I think, again, the through line 374 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:11,900 here to moving up in your career and at your company, it's 375 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:14,400 relationships. So, knowing that you're not 376 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,600 working in a silo, like, who else is aware of the work that 377 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,500 you're doing. They advocating on your behalf 378 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:23,700 because oftentimes it's the rooms are not invited into where 379 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:27,700 decisions get made, so these things have to happen in tandem. 380 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:30,000 You don't can't just put your head down and work hard and 381 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,700 expect to be rewarded. It's like you have to be 382 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:36,900 lobbying for yourself, you know, in a group dynamic to and Claire 383 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:40,700 said that as a result of the pandemic, now is actually the 384 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:44,000 perfect time to advocate for yourself and the changes. 385 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,000 You want to see at your company especially those that 386 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,100 disproportionately affect women. Companies are rethinking their 387 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:52,700 policies, they're Paid Family, Leave policies. 388 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:55,200 Notice I'm saying family and not maternity, right? 389 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,000 The jewel, you really have to go to bat to for yourself. 390 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,400 And there was a fear that you'd be looked at as like an 391 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,200 exception or selfish. Right? 392 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,900 Well, we don't quote do that here but now companies are 393 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:09,600 rethinking it from a cultural perspective, understanding that 394 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,200 it's expensive to lose people and people leave because they're 395 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,100 not growing. And so, how do you keep somebody 396 00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:19,400 engaged and happy at your Company. 397 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000 It means investing in them which oftentimes turns into like 398 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:26,300 getting them a video subscription to ladies get paid 399 00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:29,200 right or ever be committed. Speak, you know, all that good 400 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,900 stuff. So I'm feeling actually pretty 401 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:32,900 excited about this. I just want to say for everybody 402 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:35,200 listening, if there is a change that you want to see at your 403 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,100 company, now is absolutely the time to go to bat for it because 404 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:43,200 they are unsure, they're like I don't know the answer to this. 405 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,100 They're all trying to figure themselves out. 406 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:48,200 They will be grateful to you for coming with suggestions and 407 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,000 solutions. And you just need to really 408 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,900 think through the financial implications of your ask and by 409 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:57,500 that, I mean just even like the time that it takes to do it and 410 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:00,800 the resources and have other. People also come in and Advocate 411 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,000 with you, and also find what your competitor companies are 412 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,500 doing and if they're doing anything organizationally or 413 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,600 culturally or whatever that you think, is great. 414 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,900 Well, in order for your company to stay competitive for talent, 415 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,800 tell them about what that other companies doing and that might 416 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,600 kick their butt a little bit. To make positive James pushing 417 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,000 for change at your company, may seem challenging but pushing 418 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,200 yourself to change can feel almost impossible compared to 419 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,300 when she first launched ladies. Get paid Claire's day-to-day 420 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:35,200 life and work style are completely different for better. 421 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,700 And for worse I hustled a lot more but to the point of burnout 422 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:41,800 you know I'd be like 5:30 in the morning. 423 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,200 I was reading those books around like you know all these CEOs, 424 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,300 they get up so early and I all I did was work and work and work 425 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:51,000 and I Don't do that now. And you know, I'm trying to 426 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,500 balance out now what is hustle look like so struggling with 427 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:55,600 that? Because I have a proclivity to 428 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,500 procrastinate but it's interesting. 429 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200 I think that hustle was a thousand percent needed. 430 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,200 I do II. Don't, I think everybody when 431 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,900 they start their careers, they start their companies. 432 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:06,700 Yes, you need to like, Blood, Sweat, and Tears. 433 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:08,600 It. We also need to know when that's 434 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,600 not sustainable and how to transition into a new way of 435 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,100 operating. Now, I'm like, I just took it 436 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,700 out. I just woke up. 437 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:21,300 Yeah I've learned how to just not care, I think that comes 438 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:24,200 with age. Also we're at a certain point 439 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,800 you know shut my laptop at 6 p.m. and I'm like peace out 440 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,300 fuckers. Like I just don't have the 441 00:22:30,308 --> 00:22:34,000 emotional bandwidth to care about this about this issue. 442 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,200 I'm just gonna watch trashy TV. I also you know moved to 443 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,100 California, gotten to marijuana. Wish I'd known you then, Neil 444 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:43,500 much Chiller purpose. And let me tell you, I'm a much 445 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:46,900 happier. Yeah, I know I'm just like let's 446 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:50,000 let's get Let's turn off the laptop and I'm just going to 447 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,100 have a good time. What does younger hustle Claire 448 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,100 have to? Does that Claire exist anymore? 449 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:59,300 How is that Claire grappling with this current day? 450 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,600 Claire, I'm trying to figure it out. 451 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,000 I've gone too far to the other side so it's like I can 452 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,200 sometimes do things in extreme so I was like extreme Hustle but 453 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,500 like never learned how to work in a sustainable way. 454 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,700 Then I went into the like after my book I did like basically a 455 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,300 full year of just burn out and it was fantastic. 456 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,300 It and it was just, I feel like I was waking up in the morning 457 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:23,000 and sort of waiting for the day to be over. 458 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,100 I know that sounds really like sad and depressing but you know, 459 00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:31,200 a it was all of us, it's been more than a year since my book 460 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,900 was feeling like I have to get back on the horse. 461 00:23:33,100 --> 00:23:35,800 So I'm trying to figure out what's the balance and I hired 462 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,200 an accountability coach because I realized I haven't had a boss 463 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,200 and a long time and that's great, but also we could all use 464 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,000 a boss. I think we can always use how 465 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,200 somebody who's given us. Back on ourselves and holding us 466 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:52,500 to task. And so I realized I needed to 467 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,600 hire somebody to do that. So I've invested in, Kita 468 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,000 Williams, she goes by the name of success bully and that's been 469 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,400 going well over the last, you know, month and a half. 470 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:05,800 So I'm still a work in progress but I realized I needed help. 471 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,700 As we all do, we all need perspective. 472 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,700 The way that I internalized what you just said it's who's in your 473 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,400 orbit. Its who's in your constellation 474 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,300 that you can rely on. That can push you that can 475 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:15,800 challenge you. That can keep hold you 476 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,500 accountable. Or keeps me in check all the 477 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:21,700 time. And I'm curious when you're 478 00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:26,500 thinking about people that are supporting and helping you, who 479 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:29,600 can you give thanks to for any of these things that you've 480 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,300 spoken about Aaron Rasmussen is an has been wonderful and 481 00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,700 beautiful mentor of mine. He is the co-founder of 482 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:40,100 masterclass. He started a company called 483 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:42,400 outlier really encourage people check that out. 484 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,400 It's like an alternative option of Education of accredited 485 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,200 University for like fraction of Cost, he's an inventor, he's a 486 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,600 screenwriter like way, just a wonderful and just an amazing 487 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,700 person really interesting guy. He has been here from the 488 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:58,900 beginning of the ladies, get paid Journey when it was just an 489 00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:02,000 idea. And I remember emailing him 490 00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:05,200 after I wrote the essay and it went a little viral, and I was 491 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,600 like I think there's something here even though like it was 492 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,000 just again, like energy. Right. 493 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,800 And I talk things out with them and he's like, yeah, you do 494 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,200 something here. Susan line, who is the CEO and 495 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,300 founder of Bill. My girl Ventures has had an 496 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,900 incredible career. She greenlit Desperate 497 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:25,400 Housewives and lost when she worked at ABC entertainment. 498 00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:28,800 I've been the CEO of Martha Stewart Company, Gilt, groupe. 499 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,000 Now, she's this venture capitalist and she has been 500 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,200 there from the beginning. Saying, yes, there is something 501 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,900 like you got this. You got this. 502 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,500 So, this is how we should all be act. 503 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:42,700 You can impact somebody's life. So much by doing so, little just 504 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:46,500 saying, you got this and those people have consistently been 505 00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:49,200 there for me. The years and I'm incredibly 506 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,500 grateful to both of them and a number of others, it seems like 507 00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:55,600 a lot of these connections, these really powerful kind of 508 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,400 either mentors are guiding lights. 509 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,900 Are people that you just either, what reached out, cold or how 510 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:03,300 did these connections happen? Did you relationships have been 511 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,900 the key to everything any job that I've ever had, in my life 512 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:08,000 did not come from a cold application. 513 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,000 It came from a relationship came from an introduction. 514 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,300 And the people that I've met either were sort of randomly in 515 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:16,400 my Orbit, whether it was an old boss of mine actually met my 516 00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:19,400 stepmother on a Lane in ladies, get paid the book. 517 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,500 I will chapter on networking if you had to pick one chapter to 518 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,500 read that, absolutely. Is it because networking exists 519 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,100 and should exist within your company as well. 520 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:30,800 So it's the building relationships. 521 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,300 The people you also work with as well as new people that you want 522 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:36,000 to meet. But I do want to say, I have a 523 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000 very awkward actually at events. This is literally why I have 524 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,700 become like a producer host of events because it gives me a 525 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:45,500 purpose. Like I know what I'm doing 526 00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,300 there. And so I've been at a wedding. 527 00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:50,300 I swear, I'm too nervous to go up to people. 528 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:55,100 I get like, really sweaty, like, I'm like super uncomfortable, I 529 00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:56,400 guess. Then you start hosting. 530 00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:00,000 I'm probably not what a lot of people think that I could 531 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,700 actually huge introvert. I was at an event with my 532 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:04,800 partner Ashley. And you know, there was this 533 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,800 woman there, Beth Comstock, she'd been the former Vice chair 534 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,200 of innovation at GE and Ashley like we need introduce 535 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,100 ourselves. I'm like, I couldn't do it. 536 00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:16,100 I was like there was a line of people waiting to meet her. 537 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,600 I'm like I was I could not do it. 538 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,900 Couldn't do it. I was like, I'm gonna stay by 539 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,300 the wine and the cheese. Always a good place to be. 540 00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:23,700 This is pre-pandemic. Obviously. 541 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,500 After he's like, screw you. I'm going, she goes, and I'm 542 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,600 watching the very animated, like, okay, so it's going well, 543 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:32,300 finish speaking. Ashley's like, I gotta tell you 544 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:35,900 all about this so we leave and she says, guess what she knew 545 00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:38,100 us. She knew all about ladies, get 546 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,300 paid and not only did she know us? 547 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,700 She had found the person who art directed our website, our logo, 548 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:50,500 and she hired them What? Wow, I was like, oh my God, this 549 00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,100 is crazy. And then I was like, I'm getting 550 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:56,300 coffee with her next week and she did and then she had to go 551 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:57,200 Ashley. Yeah. 552 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,900 And she's become a mentor. You know, since then has made 553 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,500 some introductions that have made us money, brand 554 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,200 Partnerships just a wonderful person. 555 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:09,700 So now I go up to people and the way that I do it the way because 556 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:11,900 I'm still very nervous, but I kept kick my butt because I 557 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,900 think you know, what would actually do. 558 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,000 And also I have to report back to her. 559 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,200 And you know what? I Was still awkward. 560 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:21,300 That's okay. Like you're building a muscle 561 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,900 here but at, you know, but then these beautiful relationships 562 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:26,200 have happened life changing relationships. 563 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:30,300 I mean, I kind of is connected to this idea of what fuels you 564 00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:32,300 but like, what is, what is your North Star? 565 00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,000 You're driving for a central motivator. 566 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000 Does it still feel the same thing that it was? 567 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,300 Is that fire still coming from the same place of anger and 568 00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,500 frustration? Or is there something different 569 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:43,400 now? No, I don't have the anger 570 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,900 anymore. Mostly because I'm tired, 571 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,300 there's just so much hair. All stuff happening in the 572 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:51,900 world, that I can't feel my feelings around it. 573 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:54,600 I've had to learn what place that that has. 574 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,100 I mean, it's always connecting to like my why you know why I'm 575 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,000 doing this, who I'm doing this for, you know, Imagining the 576 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,600 person that I'm speaking to. So, even in writing the book, 577 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,300 there's actually some good advice for anybody who's 578 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:08,500 suffering from any kind of like impostor syndrome or feeling a 579 00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:11,600 lot of pressure to perform. I used to think about, am I 580 00:29:11,608 --> 00:29:13,000 going to get on a New York Times bestseller. 581 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,900 List is my editor going to be happy. 582 00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:18,000 Like am I gonna sell a lot of copies and So I would spin my 583 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,200 wheels freaking out about that largely because I have no 584 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,800 control over that. Like, literally, I could do my 585 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,100 best and I could get cancelled, right. 586 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:28,700 So it's like that was not helping Focus. 587 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,800 So what I ended up shifting toward is like really imagining 588 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800 a person like opening my book and reading it. 589 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,100 All right? And so writing, it sort of 590 00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:41,200 making it smaller in that way, breaking it down, making it 591 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,700 personal was very helpful. And then the other thing that I 592 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:47,200 shifted to is also making it about me. 593 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:49,900 It's not about the wage. Gap is not about the audience, 594 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,300 actually, a lot of times it's what am I learning? 595 00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,300 Can I find joy in what I'm doing? 596 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:57,300 Can I challenge myself? It's about the things that you 597 00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:01,300 have, maybe more agency over because then you can sort of 598 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:03,900 guarantee success. If you don't see yourself 599 00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,600 gaining momentum, you're just going to lose it. 600 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,900 So that's sort of part of the issue of, you know, having the 601 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,600 fire to close the wage Gap. It's just not going to happen. 602 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,600 Like that's like our joke is we have a business that exists to 603 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,100 try to put ourselves out of business. 604 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:19,000 So we're not going to close these gaps. 605 00:30:19,300 --> 00:30:22,800 And so even though that is the Starting Fire, it's not healthy 606 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,400 to constantly stay focused on something that's just never 607 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,200 going to happen. So it's like, okay, what can I 608 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,800 do that? I can see that momentum 609 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,400 happening and that is things like finishing, a chapter of my 610 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,300 book and being proud of myself and like learning how to get 611 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,100 over writer's block, and, you know, Finding joy in that. 612 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,500 So, my y has gotten smaller. I love that this is leaving. 613 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:46,100 This is in a place of optimism. I'm curious given where you are 614 00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:47,200 now? What have you? 615 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,400 I learned recently, that's left you looking up. 616 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,000 I am really optimistic about women getting way, more 617 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,200 aggressive with investing they. We've seen that all through the 618 00:30:57,208 --> 00:31:00,500 pandemic GameStop now, crypto and NF. 619 00:31:00,500 --> 00:31:02,700 T is like there is money to be made. 620 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:06,200 People are getting rich, they're not women, it's really 621 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,400 interesting. It's like, when I started 622 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,700 ladies, get paid, I've been very driven by long time. 623 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,400 Stats right again, systemic in French, but we're watching now. 624 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,600 Statistics happening real time, we're watching the Fact, that 625 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,400 15% of Bitcoin Traders are women, okay, so we're going holy 626 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,200 shit. We got to make a difference now, 627 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,600 like there is an urgency to this, that's really exciting. 628 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:31,100 And so we're seeing way more women ready to invest their 629 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,100 money and that's a fabulous, you know, again, you know, always 630 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:35,700 invest with caution, don't invest things, you know, you 631 00:31:35,708 --> 00:31:39,300 can't afford to lose except your ex cetera but that's the energy 632 00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:41,000 I'm seeing. So we're doing a lot more stuff. 633 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,100 Ladies get crypto, you're going to see more things coming out 634 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:45,600 from us. So I'm super jazzed and I'm 635 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,800 learning just long with the Rest of them as we bring this to a 636 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,900 close along, the train of thought of models and a long 637 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:55,500 train of thought of even, even looking outside, this nation, if 638 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:59,000 there are any countries or municipalities or anything, 639 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,900 anyone that you've seen that, you are looking up to that. 640 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:04,800 You think is doing it, right? It's rough Cuts Like You can 641 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,400 look at countries like New Zealand and, you know, 642 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,800 Scandinavian countries and like they have great policies but 643 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,000 they're also just different countries, you know, than ours 644 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,600 like were We're a bunch of little countries put together 645 00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,000 and and with radically different call, you do go back like the 646 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,700 Minnesota culture. Say so Mommy's little skeptical 647 00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:24,100 of like lets you know, making one's 1 comparisons. 648 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,800 That being said, we're obviously way down the totem pole when it 649 00:32:26,808 --> 00:32:30,200 comes to things like paid family, leave so pretty much. 650 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,000 Everybody else is doing it. Better than I still have to find 651 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,800 that space. That means we can be that 652 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,100 person. Yeah, right now know that you, 653 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:39,100 you know, you Cobble together, little things from one companies 654 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,000 doing this. Okay, cool. 655 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000 I'm going to take because it's not a one-size-fits-all for a 656 00:32:42,008 --> 00:32:46,300 company for a person for a tree. So you take elements of what 657 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,900 will work for you in your context. 658 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:52,600 That's, that's the key so rapid-fire round. 659 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,300 You've got three to five seconds to come up with the first word 660 00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,800 that comes to your brain. I think this is appropriate, 661 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:04,600 favorites book. I really like an acronym. 662 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,100 I allowed to say a Russian for anybody that you want. 663 00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:11,600 Okay? Favorite movie. 664 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,500 Oh my gosh. Okay. 665 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:18,900 I love rom-com. So we're just going to go with 666 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,700 My Best Friend's Wedding. Favorite foreign word. 667 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:30,700 Oh gosh, muff, do not so that this isn't a trick. 668 00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:37,400 Murph is the word fam in French but backwards and it is a it is 669 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,100 a certain kind of it's called Viva La. 670 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:43,000 It's a slang word in French. So there you go. 671 00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:44,900 I'm a kid, I lived in France. And for a little bit, I'm 672 00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:47,400 obsessed with the with slang fruit. 673 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,400 Apple. Yeah, yeah. 674 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,700 Pink lady Z. Let's go back to the words. 675 00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:54,300 Let's see what you come up with favorite curse word. 676 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,700 It was awesome. Like fugazi, I don't know. 677 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,200 Now, time for the the either or so Android or iPhone. 678 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:09,100 I found mountains are Beach mountains, GIF or GIF, GIF East 679 00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:12,000 Coast or West Coast. It's got to be West Coast. 680 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,900 Now, maybe that's moved here, so pancakes or waffles. 681 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,600 Waffles texture, the texture, last one, chocolate, or vanilla 682 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,400 chocolate with vanilla. Can I ask why you bit your 683 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,699 tongue there? Why you held you like? 684 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:33,500 Okay, so I'm a big sweet person like that is my like I'm Very, 685 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:36,600 very healthy but only because I'm very, very sweet tooth. 686 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,800 So, like vanilla base with, like, chocolate, like chunks in 687 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,500 it. I'm like big on the texture. 688 00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:45,100 Did you give him a just like, straight chocolate or like 689 00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:46,600 chocolate ice cream? I don't like it. 690 00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,000 But if you don't got the chocolate chunks in there, then 691 00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,800 you know, it's just like why even try? 692 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,699 Like it's trash. I don't know. 693 00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:57,100 That was the hardest question. I got all day. 694 00:34:57,100 --> 00:35:00,100 So thank you for helping me. I really like to thank, I'm 695 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,100 loving it. That was the most difficult 696 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,000 question of the whole. The whole interview, Howard 697 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000 Stern, your Inspirations. Well that's easy. 698 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,700 Chocolate and vanilla. Hamish know the movie. 699 00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:13,300 I feel terrible. I could I started my career in a 700 00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:18,700 minute film producing. This is so like I there's just I 701 00:35:18,707 --> 00:35:20,600 guess I just smoked too much weed. 702 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,700 I don't know. Definitely. 703 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,700 Okay went away. Good answers but now so thank 704 00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:31,100 you so much if people want to find you learn more about what 705 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:34,700 you're doing both Claire, Wasserman, And ladies, get paid. 706 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,300 Where can they do that? Yes, thank you for asking, 707 00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:40,700 ladies, get paid.com ladies getting a.com / book. 708 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,600 You can follow us on all social channels at. 709 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,900 Ladies get paid you can find me and follow me at Claire gets 710 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,000 paid. Congratulations you guys for 711 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,700 this wonderful show. 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