What? No, it's alright.
I cannot see myself. I can see the bottom of my boot.
She's looking worn. Do you know what SO is mine.
Looking worn and torn, I feel like is mine.
Yeah, it's giving Woody. They were made for walking and
that's that. That's just what they'll do.
And I've. Worked.
Ohh hello lesbians. Hello Katy.
Hi baby. Oh my God, this is this is
surreal to me, Katy. This is surreal to me.
Yeah, because I've been wanting to get you on the podcast for so
long now. I think from the moment that I
saw you on that stage strutting your staff, you were supporting
Beth McCarthy. That must have been a while ago
as. Well, oh, it was a while ago and
I was like, first of all, I want this picture with my friend.
Yeah. Second of all, who the fuck is
this superstar? And then thirdly, I'm like,
well, she must be involved in the lesbian stuff like that
podcast. It has to happen.
I love that I'm so sick to be here.
Thank you so much. It's like a full 3.
It is now since that's happened. So now we've finally made it.
I love this for us. I feel like we're completely
different people as well. Yeah, from like 3 years ago.
I know, I completely agree. I thought for a second you meant
like between you and I, I'm like.
Yeah. Oh, wait, you and I are so
different. I don't know how this
conversation. Is going to go actually, we are
so different fucking we have nothing in common.
Where do we are from here? No.
Yeah, literally. I have no idea what to ask you a
joke, lesbians. For those who don't know, Kathy
is an incredible singer. You are an amazing artist.
You are one to be reckoned with. I've been following her for
years. She is a very Welsh, very
lesbian singer-songwriter. You've written with.
Actually a friend of mine as well, Lauren Aquilina.
Love making your way around with people.
That. She's actually my first ever
lesbian kiss as well. I was 16.
Yeah, that's. So lovely.
I've been holding on to that one.
She made me. Go.
Is that an exclusive? Yeah, I love trying to get her
on here for SO. Long.
But Katy, you are you are amazing.
And I will have to like bow my hands down to you, like
everything that you have done that you've released since I
ever saw you supporting Beth at that show.
I was like, this girl has got something that is remarkable and
the wildness. Here, it's just too nice.
This is so nice. I'm I'm literally luring you
into false sense insecurities and I'm about to follow it up
really nicely. You're also I can't no guys so.
That's so lovely. Thank you so much for saying
that. No, of course it's, well, we're
both Welsh for a start. Yes, we are so good for.
Yeah, we are. And Kathy, you came, you know,
from a very small town. Yeah, in Wales.
Because I mean, I really put two and two together when you
exclusively were speaking Welsh to your parents, right.
Yeah. Yeah.
So you speak Welsh? Yeah, my entire school system
was in Welsh, that my first language was Welsh.
I spoke English to my dad because he was from Liverpool.
What a mix. But everything else, yeah.
Great accent on this one. Yeah.
So, yeah, she's not Scottish. She's not Scottish, but everyone
thinks she is. But yeah, so I spoke Welsh
pretty much my entire life. Yeah.
And still do. It's incredible.
How do you say How do you say lesbian supper club in Welsh?
That is out of my wheelhouse and I apologise for that.
Lesbian supper club. Well.
How do you say supper club? They don't have those in Wales.
I don't even know how you would say supper club in Welsh.
Didn't you ever imagine that for me?
Like I can say it's in Welsh, but could you ever imagine a
supper club in Wales? A supper club in Wales.
No, I mean like just a general suffer club.
Like I feel like that just doesn't even exist in Wales.
I felt like they were like just go to a pub.
Just go to the pub. Yeah.
Do you know what? Yeah, absolutely.
We love a pub down there. Oh, club.
OK Blue. But see.
Like super. Yeah, I like that.
I look like I'm not Welsh right now.
Maybe I am Scottish, Joe. What?
Maybe I am Scottish. What?
I mean, you just lied a little bit.
Yeah, I will not. Confirm more than I the rumors.
Maybe all the rumors are true, Cathy.
All the rumors are true, I am Scottish.
Thank you so much for having me. Get the fuck out, this whole
time you've been lying about being Welsh.
You don't even gay. I also don't even sing.
I'm not entirely sure what I'm here.
That lip syncing is really fucking good though.
It's really, really good. So because obviously I want to
get into your music in a bit, but I want people to know you as
a person and come to love you as a person like how I have.
So you grew up in a small town. What what was your expression to
gay awakening? I mean, I know how it is to grow
up in quite a town that is smaller where there's not a lot
of gay zoom in that my sister was gay, but don't worry about
it where there isn't that exposure.
Let's just put it that way. And obviously, like, did you
find that with within a small town that it was harder to see
representation or was there literally one guy in the village
and it was you? No, absolutely.
I think it was so hard to see that presentation that I didn't
really see myself at all until I was maybe about like 1920.
I genuinely had no idea. I would have these thoughts
every now and again when I watch something gay that I would
actively find myself and I was like, maybe I'm gay.
And then I would be like. Surely not.
Can I just say how funny it is that we all, collaboratively, by
the way, as a queer community, went out searching shit and were
like, so I don't know if I'm gay, You know what I mean?
Everyone like Google's girls kissing.
Yeah, everyone that's absolutely everyone has a weird obsession
with. Why does my Fanny do that thing?
I see girls kissing. Yeah, that happens.
To everyone, yeah, no questions asked.
But I think especially, like, growing up in a small town, like
for me, something that I've realized as I've gotten older is
the conversations I was having with other people about gay
people really affected me in terms of like, just the way that
my family would be like, you're not gay, are you?
That to me, had so much weight, of course, that I didn't even
realize that if I was, it would be such a bad thing.
I think that pushed me so far into the closet that I didn't
even know until I was like, 1920.
Wow. OK, because I feel like we've
all been in stealth mode in like gay hate conversations where
they didn't know that we were gay or even we didn't know that
we. Were gay?
Absolutely. And being witnessed that and
bearing witness that is really damaging and we've all been
there. And I think that I, that's also
why I keep fighting for gay rights, obviously for so many
different reasons, but also because that still goes on.
These conversations are still being had.
They just censor themselves around us now. 100% do you know
what I mean? I'm 100%.
You just know that I'm gay. So you're not saying it, you
know, whereas you're saying it with your other friends and you
know all people that you know. So I'm sorry that you had to
like bear witness to that though.
So you you had that small town mentality and then you figured
it out when you were 19. What was the thing that made you
figure out that you were gay at 19?
Oh, this is so embarrassing. OK.
It's so I love it. The more embarrassing the
better. It's not even that embarrassing.
I was literally just watching cattle.
Yeah. When I was like, hey, hold on,
got it. It just clicked in my brain.
But I've had, like, weird friendships.
I've had weird experiences with women that were cleared.
Now can you tell me one that was like weird, Like was there a
moment that you were like, oh, how do?
I do this without incriminating myself.
Incriminate yourself. I can give you 1 as well, so
don't. Worry.
Yeah, I just had. I had this best friend when I
was growing up where it is so clear to me now that I had
feelings for her. Yeah.
But I just genuinely had no idea at the time.
I thought everyone just made each other playlist and always
took the love letters. I thought that was just
friendship but I didn't have that with any of my other
friends. But I now feel like such a huge
amount of guilt about that. Why?
Because this friend was. Out.
And so she's gay. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
She was out. Yeah.
And she was like, at that time, the bravest person that I'd
known. She was out and I was so deep in
the closet that I she must have known immediately that I was
gay. And she handled that situation
with such a grace and like, such patience.
Did you ever tell her how you felt?
Years later, yeah. Really.
Yeah. Was she like I felt the same way
or was she like what the fuck? No, we both.
We both kind of knew. Yeah, we, yeah, Kathy, we had
sex. What?
No. No, that's so good.
I feel like a lot of us have had experiences like that where it's
like, well, yeah, we're best friends.
Of course we scissor. Do you know what we actually
didn't? We actually didn't.
No, no scissoring for you. No scissoring with that friend,
Not with that one, but with the other ones, yeah.
All the straight ones, Yep, not the openly gay ones.
I feel like maybe a part of you as well admired her and that was
kind of a part of like that infatuation, like because she
was openly gay you. Probably were like wow,
absolutely. And still now I'm like, you're
the coolest person ever. I love that.
But yeah, I do hold a lot of guilt and a lot of resentment
for myself about that time I. Think you should never carry
guilt or resentment for somebody that didn't reflect now what you
know you know you weren't in a position if you knew it's very
very different and also so underdeveloped I'm sorry like
our brains and. Developed.
Yeah. My brain's still not fully
developed. Now they said I was 25, but mine
is so delayed. So delayed.
Mine is delayed. I'm 32.
I'm 29. Am I?
No, I'm not. I'm 28.
It's somewhere. This is where I'm out.
That I'm lying about my age in music.
I'm 18. Oh, yeah.
Please do. I'm 29 this year I think.
No, but I feel like the music game is changing though.
Do you remember when like X Factor, the over 25 category,
you'd be like, they are old and shit, Yeah, they're old as shit
and now it's really changed. I thank God.
Yeah, now weird all this shit is changing for me like.
Fucking changing. Absolutely.
Otherwise you'd be screwed. 100%, yeah, 100% let it screw
me, though. Honestly, I don't really have
that thing with age that everyone seems to have, and it
might hit me, but I don't really have it.
I'm so excited to grow it and I think that comes down to
lesbianism. Is it because you watch Carol
You? Drop me.
Yeah, like all the women at heart get me there all the.
Women are really hot. I mean, you literally have a
song that's about missing. Oh yeah, you do have.
That was my Ghost Rider. Yeah, about being obsessed with
your ex's mom. And that's why you miss your ex.
You don't miss your ex. You miss your ex's mom.
That is a banger, by the way. Thank you so much.
That boy Kendra, I don't care about him.
Should we cut him out on the podcast?
No, he was actually really sweet.
He was actually really sweet. But I think that's the thing
about music is you do just dramatize everything, right?
And I wrote that song about this date that I had with this boy
where I was at his house for four hours, which is my first
mistake, but he just didn't offer me a drink the entire time
that I was there. And then his mum came home and
was like, can I get you anything, like a glass of water
or anything? And I was like, wow.
Wow. Wow, she is amazing.
Yeah. And then I ended up writing that
song that was like, I don't miss you, I just miss your mum.
That's fantastic. But it was about such a tiny
tiny. You know what though?
Tiny like that. It's where the bar is on the
floor. Like below hell.
Yeah, get me a. Tap water.
Yeah, tap water. The fact that like, his mummy
had to get you a tap water that just was like, like the pedestal
is like right up there. I mean, what, 100?
Percent, but I wish my little 17 year old self was just like hey
I'm really thirsty can I get a drink?
Oh, I remember agonising around my friend's houses that, like, I
would be starving, you know, the type of friends that, like,
you're not that close to. Yeah.
So you're just sat there and
you're like, wow, I really need a wee.
Yeah, I'm thirsty. Absolutely.
Haven't eaten in five hours, which was a long time for me
back then. Right.
And now. And I was like, this is hell,
yeah, but I will suffer. No, 100% actually.
I'm not hungry. Yeah, I'm not.
Hungry. Oh yeah, no, they offered me
food. Yeah, no, I'm not hungry.
What is that? I feel like that's such a people
pleaser thing because I still do that at my big age.
Yeah, I still do that. How dare I offend you by taking
the food or drinks that you're offering me?
100%. Question what if she had offered
you anything better than a tap? Water would have been there and
then. Yeah, yeah, I had a kiss there.
I was going straight for the fingers.
Absolutely, absolutely like. Come here I.
Would have done it, yeah. I I've actually this is like the
first time that I'm ever recording in the Spotify studio
for my own podcast. It's right so exciting.
No, but it's funny because I'm forgetting that I'm visual on
here. So these weird facial
expressions that I'm making everyone is now gonna be.
Zooming in. On zooming in on, I mean I just
did that like moan and squeal at like kissing a woman over
someone. Make that tick so I get it right
now, right? Now, should we make out?
Sorry, Amy, but with So you fell in love with them?
Yep. And then you wrote an insane
song for this. Like I loved it.
And then you So when you figured out that you were 19, I'm going
to take it back here. Did you come out at that time or
did you sit with it for a little bit?
I sat with it for a while. I told a few of my friends and I
told my parents, but I very much did it in a way where the closet
door was still open. I could still go back in if I
wanted to. Did you say that you're bi or?
Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did.
And you know, it's not a bridge to lesbianism, but it was for
me. I'm so sorry.
I believe that by people are real.
I've seen it. We have seen one.
So it's absolutely so valid. And like, I hate that it was,
you know, I did come out as bi and then realize that it was a
lesbian. So yeah, I kind of had that
conversation with my parents. But I was like, I'm just gonna
follow the vibes and fall in love with who I fall in love
with. And that was always gonna be a
woman. But yeah, yeah, maybe.
I think in a weird way there was so much compact there for me as
well that I was like, maybe I will fall in love with a man and
I won't have to do a come out. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
No, I did that, too. Yeah.
A lot of praying and a lot of hope.
And yeah. And then you really reach that
level of gay where you're like, wow, if I were to wake up
straight tomorrow, it's game the fuck over.
Yeah. Take me to conversion therapy.
It wouldn't work on me. No, but the other way you know.
Oh, like to be gay? Yeah, yeah.
Like if I wake up tomorrow and I'm like, I've fallen in love
with a man, I would hope that all of my friends.
Well, I mean. Are taking me to conversion
therapy. A lot of people in my job, it's
happening to them, it's happening to a lot of us.
It actually, yeah, there's like an epidemic going on.
I know. How does it feel to be on the
musician side, knowing that all these lesbians and going the
other way? And are you scared that you're
going to catch it? I don't think I could catch it
if I tried. Like, if I went out looking for
it. Yeah, if I weren't looking for
it, it would. I wouldn't find it.
But also, you know, that's such a nuanced conversation topic
because like, obviously if you say you're a lesbian, you go
back on it when we have such a lack of representation.
And then yeah, but. You know what?
You're on the lesbian supper Club.
So like, I feel like you can be safe with that conversation
here. I think that I understand that
sexuality can be fluid, etcetera, etcetera. 100%, we all
know this. But it's about when you
capitalise on a group when actually you never were a
lesbian and you knew it and other people knew it, but you
just publicly didn't put it out there.
Woof, woof woof. Bark.
Barking down the mark. You know, we all have to be very
careful with our words, I think. But I think that's something
that I'm hyper aware of. Like if I say I'm a lesbian and
I write about women in my music, then I am representing a.
Group of people who don't really have much representation wider
than you. It's a big community of us that
we're all relying on you to save big.
No pressure there, no pressure on their shoulders.
But so I think that this is what you do really well in your music
and the way that you are very unapologetically lesbian, but
you also don't make it. You don't make it, like, overly
explicit in any way either. So you brought out Joyride last
year. Yeah.
With your beautiful girlfriend Amy Sporting.
We've had on twice. Yeah, you have.
I was actually listening to it on the way here like you
getting. Yourself a hyped up.
Is that why you were so nervous when you came?
On So nervous, Yeah, absolutely. And that's an insane video, by
the way, if you guys haven't checked it out, I'm going to put
this in the bio because it's such a great video.
Like it's so theatrical. You're both very dramatic.
I love this about both of you. And I think that she brings out
that, like, even more in you. I've seen, like, since I've seen
you guys together, Like, I think that it's like a confidence to
go ahead of it. Like when you're with somebody
who lets you be so authentic for yourself.
Yeah. That you can be like, fuck,
yeah, no, I'm going to do this thing.
And I feel very much like the same for her, too.
I think that it's a really, really beautiful match.
That's such a lovely thing to say, and I think you're so
right. I feel like something that I'm
realizing is, you know, obviously we're together, but on
top of that, we have such a creative partnership where I
wanna see her do well just as much as I wanna see myself do
well, and I think she has that for me as well.
I yeah, I strongly believe that like any partner, you should
both be like biggest fans of one another.
Because if you're not, what the fuck are you doing?
No, but it happens all the. Time.
Don't you just see it like you'd be?
Surprised how many people don't like their partner though.
Fucking hate them. Yeah if you're just so wild.
Which is so. Wild.
You know you guys don't. Have to be together, yeah, like,
didn't break up. Yeah, bring back breaking up.
Bring up Joe, what 2025 was the break up?
Yeah, too, especially for lesbians.
That was terrifying. Mental.
You held on. You held on.
Held on. Yeah.
You're not going anywhere. Yeah.
Don't look at me. Look at me.
Yeah. You're locked in.
And so your music journey has been one that like, obviously
I've been watching closely and talk about the power of Amy and
the power of manifesting. You did something pretty
incredible as well with Stevie Nicks.
I want you to tell, I want you to tell the audience about this
because it's such an insane story.
That was genuinely the best day of my life.
Every day is paled in comparison.
Except for this one. This is great, yeah.
You shouldn't have peaked so fast.
I really. Did though?
I really did. Yeah.
I've been a huge Stevie Nicks fan my entire life.
And it was announced she was doing this festival in London.
And I was like, I will be opening, I will be opening that
talk 100%. No, yeah, there's no doubt about
it. I will be doing that.
And then my manager was like, maybe not, maybe not,
considering you've not really done anything.
And I was like, yeah, yeah, I hear you loud and clear.
But I will be doing it and we will be emailing absolutely
everyone that we can. Understand your concern, but.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. I get it.
No. Which is kind of the only time
I've ever really been like that, except for recently.
Now I can definitely walk into a room and I'm like, you either
like me or you don't. This is what I'm doing.
Yeah, but I definitely wasn't like that at this time, which
was only a year ago. Woo.
Gross. So good.
But yeah, we, I emailed everyone and no one applied, obviously,
because everyone was like, who the fuck is this final?
And then I was like kind of giving up.
But Beth McCarthy actually has a funny story about this.
But we were on tour and I kept walking into different buildings
and Fleetwood Mac would be playing and I would grab onto
Beth and I would be like, this is a sign like.
Truly believe in this by the. Way, yeah, I was like, this is a
sign. And then she was like, they're
the biggest fucking band in the world.
Like it's actually not a sign. I was like, no, it is.
And I found the booking agents Instagram, which is actually
terrible. Like don't do this.
Or maybe do yeah, maybe. Yeah, sorry girl, but I found
her Instagram and then I just sent her to voice note and I was
like, listen, I don't really have much to show for it right
now, but you can't do this show without me.
But you actually can't. Sounds a bit more like a threat
to be. Honest.
Yeah. And it was.
And it was they. Didn't want to know what would
have happened. I didn't get it exactly.
I guess we'll never know I. Guess we'll never know.
Yeah, but she was like, I'm so sorry that we don't have any
space. And I took that L and then she
messaged my manager and was like we can we found a space, she can
open the stage. They're like, really funny.
And conveniently, the other sport act just died.
Oh. My gosh.
Wait, was there someone else? It happened.
Wait. Well, no, I'm just.
Oh my gosh, She didn't know her own strength.
She didn't know her own strength.
When one supreme falls, another one rises.
Oh my gosh. So you need to, Oh my God,
really carefully the manifesting.
I've killed a man. You know what?
It was a man. Oh my gosh, I don't think so.
I think they just found the space and like squeeze me.
Out. They made it happen.
The universe made it happen. Yeah, insane.
And also your talent. But I've been thinking, instead
of Stevie Nicks for you because you're a lesbian, can we just
make your new stage name Stevie Nicks?
That is so good. That is so good.
Have. You not used that one yet.
Not yet, but that's definitely my tag name.
That's definitely my. Yeah, and I'll be Fleetwood
crack. Stevie licks Fleet with crack,
Yeah. That's like it happened, yeah
like sold, yeah, absolutely sold yeah, down for it I'm.
So into it. And so from your like, music
journey, I'm guessing Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks had a big
influence on you. You're also very theatrical with
your music as well. I mean, is there any like
musicals that you were growing up with where you were like, oh,
this is this is the type of shit that I want to do?
Or were you not like a theatre kid?
I. Wasn't Daily a theatre kid?
I was a theatre kid in terms of singing.
Like I would love to sing musical theatre songs but I
didn't really watch any theatre growing up.
But I was a huge fan of Glee. Fuck yeah.
So cultured Queen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's your favorite musical? Clearly.
Or burlesque with Christina Aguilera, but yeah.
Wagon Wheel Watusi. Wagon Wheel Watusi is actually
the best film of all time and I'm not even.
No, it's not even a joke. Do you know what I think?
My favorite? My like, like, best film of all
time. Go on 51st dates.
Is this the one we Drew Barrymore?
Yeah. Yeah.
Retweet. Yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry. I hate it when they're like, I'm
out something and they try and think of like the most like noir
film. I'm like.
Just get a grip. No one like that.
No one liked. But it's OK if you did.
But also like, don't lie. It's not OK if you did me Foba.
I love Glee. I one of my favorite films of
all time is This is 40. Have you ever seen that?
That's a fantastic. It's a brilliant film.
It's so good. And also just go with it.
Jennifer Aniston, another. Film.
Yeah, amazing thing. I could literally sit here right
now and just like reel off the entirety of the script. 100%
Don't get me wrong, like I love an artsy independent film, but
this is 40. Also bangs.
Yeah, yeah, they. Can both bang at the same time?
Exactly 2 things can be true at the same time.
But burlesque, amazing. I think that maybe we should
either do a lesbian version of burlesque.
Brilliant, right? Which we're all, we're already
there in a way. Like Cher is so gay.
She's not only gay for the men, she's also gay for the women,
which I think it's amazing. Like we don't see that often.
No, I agree. We're we were actually having
this conversation at the pub the other day.
This is so serious. This is the fingers are out
pointing. We would actually have a
conversation about how there's so many straight women who are
like for the gay men and we were like, what straight women are
for the gays. And then I was like, oh,
obvious. Like Natasha Leon, Kate
Blanchett. Yes, but I'm yet to believe that
they are truly straight. Oh I love this.
I really I can't see it happening.
Can you see Natasha down second deck?
Sorry, Natasha. I don't know if I should answer
this. I just put it in your brain.
Yeah, I don't know if I should answer this, but you know what?
Sexuality is so fluid. There's time for the soul.
Except for me. I'm pretty sad.
I think so. All you can do whatever you
want, but I ain't. Saying anytime soon, don't send
lifetime, don't send me back to man.
I'll bite. I will bite.
Put me in the cage. So yeah.
But either that or I'm thinking Chicago is a lesbian.
Oh, yeah, Yeah. Lovely.
She had it coming. I've actually said this from the
beginning of time. They should do a pop girly
version of They had it Coming. Well, why don't you do it?
I didn't realize that was an option.
Well it is anything is an option.
Oh wait, like cellblock tango? That would be so good as like a
lesbian version and then they all just like make out in the
prison because it's like Orange is the New Black, like mixed
with music. Why didn't they do a Chicago
episode of Orange is the New Black I.
Actually don't know, but you know what musical can also open
up someone right now who's like a major big time producer,
director, writer, he is listening to this and going.
Fuck, they're killing it right now.
Yeah, there's smashing it there. There are so many ideas in here
I have, silly. We've got to change, like all of
this. Evening TM.
I always. I have a new invention every
single week. And I know that you're with Amy
and she's ADHD. Yeah, Yeah.
And how do you feel being a partner of somebody with ADHD?
It's like an addiction, isn't it?
How do? I feel about my partners ADHD.
I'm so glad you asked. No.
Do you know what I'm asking selfishly?
Because I'm like, how does this affect somebody else?
It really doesn't. I mean, it does in terms of
like, yeah, we're late everywhere.
So yeah, it affects us sometimes.
I was home today. Yeah.
I don't care. I don't care if other people are
late, but I'm. So I'd really care if I'm late.
Yeah. But I think Amy spoke about this
the last time she was on this podcast.
But I have OCD and she has ADHD, so in a weird way her ADHD is
kind of healing me. Oh wow, yeah, because I think
that if I'm 5 minutes late I will die and I'm going to be two
hours late and I better just make my peace with.
That so it's like exposure therapy.
Yeah, yeah, it's exposure therapy.
Do you know? What is really fucked up?
I have both. Babe, pick a struggle and
lesbianism. Oh my God.
Lesbianism is the main personality trait.
That's really rough though. It's rough.
What kind of OCD if you don't mind?
Me asking so I only recently figured out that I still have
OCDI thought that I kicked it back when I stopped washing my
hands like an absolute maniac and looking in the mirror 8
times every single time that I walked past it when I was a kid
right? So I thought, well, I've gotten
over it, but apparently it manifests in like, different
ways. So a lot of it comes down to
like, like decision paralysis. Wow.
Because I feel like if I make the wrong choice in, something
really bad is going to happen. Yeah.
And it's just like quite a few little things.
It's almost like. But I do also think that like
ADHD kind of like overlaps with home CD as well.
And I think that it's a way of trying to just control your
brain because the thoughts are just so hectic that it's like
giving you this illusion of control over something that
doesn't really exist. Absolutely.
And it is really, really hard.
I'm sorry that you have to deal with OCD because it is a fucking
nightmare. I definitely don't have it on
like an extreme scale anymore, but I remember the genuine fear
that I would have of like someone close to me dying, Yeah,
if I were, if I wasn't switching on and off that light switch.
Yeah, it's so, it's so bizarre because, you know, you can speak
to yourself and you can be like, this is completely irrational,
but if your body's like, no, the alarm's going off, it's really
hard to rationalize it. Yeah, I don't think I've ever
really spoken about it, to be fair, But it was definitely
something that really affected me.
Have you found that it's ever affected your music?
Like what you do at all? No, not necessarily.
But then also, yeah, because it affects me when I leave the
house every morning. So I guess so, but not in terms
of the decisions that I make in terms of my career.
You're like, I actually have to put this word in the song.
Why? Yeah, yeah, it's game over.
Imagine. No, I'm very much like I.
I feel like mine is kind of link to always having to be perceived
as like good and always doing the right thing.
That's my 1:00 and if I do something bad I have to tell
everyone. Oh yeah, 100.
Percent. I'm telling everyone I know and.
Like, quite a few times. And I also have to, let's say it
several times. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember that bad thing I
did? Because I do, yeah.
Best believer I know. Put me on the news before
everyone finds out I'm. Going to jail, I don't know what
for, but I'm going. 100% yeah, 100%.
It's also like, I don't know why, but I used to be so into
true crime and. I was just really into crime.
Perhaps it was really into crime, but I used to be so into
true crime and this is, you know, so embarrassing.
But it did happen so and I bet it happens to somebody else as
well. So if I talk about it, it'll be
less. That's what I would always say,
always over. Explain Yeah, there's always
someone. There's always someone that's
like me too. But I used to be so into true
crime and I had to stop watching it because I would be so
convinced that I did it. Yeah, talk yourself into it.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would be watching like a
crime documentary from like 1970.
Bear in mind I was born in 1970, no?
I was born. Do you know what the lie should
keep on going. She's also 59 I.
Was born in 1997, the year that Diana died.
The rest in peace. But I would like convince myself
that I committed the crime and it would be like the night.
Could have been you in another. Life.
How was that? Maybe that's why you felt that
way. You know what?
Don't, don't. I'd be the worst person that you
could be with if you had that. Be like, oh, you know what you
did Joking. No, but it is so rough because
you're like, wow, that was me. Yeah.
And and you can read some of the most heinous things especially.
But like, really. I mean, I found this flight.
You read about somebody doing like a really bad thing or like
thinking in a really bad way. And then I'm like, I think that
way, but. But I don't think that way.
Yeah. And now I'm convincing myself
that I think that way, but I know I really don't.
Yeah. It's really, really difficult
to. Yeah, to manage 'cause it's just
this internal battle. But The thing is, you couldn't
be a lesbian and an artist without some kind of struggle up
here. Because you're not.
You're neurotypical, aren't you?
QOCD for my artist career. Yeah, exactly.
But it's also when you do, when you do grow up and and you
develop all these, these different like I'll put it down
as like a quark good. Having something that is a
creative outlet is so important. And I do genuinely think that
that is why a lot of artists, you know, we like have mental
struggles. And I think it's twofold.
I think that the mental struggles almost kind of like
influence, like the art itself. And then also just having that
like artistic creative brain. It's constantly having to come
up with so many different things and so many different scenarios
and your brain just tries to categorise it.
And sadly, it always does it in a really fucking mean way,
actually. Absolutely.
But that makes. Perfect.
Sense there, yeah, you can't make.
Perfect sense. And you've never been an artist.
That's like, I'm alright. Actually, I've got nothing.
No, not me. No, literally never won.
Yeah. No, never won.
Yeah. What we've got, we've got
anxiety as well. Me, yeah.
How do you know anxiety maybe. I don't actually think I do.
I don't think I do. But quite a lot of people in my
life are like, do you have ADHD? And I'm like, no, But so many
people have asked me that. I'm like, huh, Right.
And I get it with anxiety as well.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I think I'm just, you know, showing times.
No, you're just fun. Do you think?
Yeah, and you got energy. Do you think that's what it is?
People just can't stand to see it.
Sure. Sure.
OK. Talk about struggles.
Yes. You know what?
I'm gonna ask you, don't you? I need to hear the story.
Oh, I know I have. I have to.
I have to, because you know how we always do lesbian horror
stories? But I thought, fuck me Katty is
the lesbian Horror Story with this one.
Yeah, this was a horror film, babe.
Yeah, this is yeah. Sorry that I that I'm smiling
while. Talking about No, we should.
Laugh. We should laugh also.
It's LED you to amazing things. An amazing part.
Yeah, but the rather did not happen.
But sure. Well, yeah.
But we all learned, don't we? And and it wasn't not like you
did anything wrong, but like, you know, we learned from
experiences and generally. Did.
You okay, right. Maybe we are getting into the
crime part then, But tell, tell everyone, tell the class what
you did. I actually remember having a
conversation with Beth McCarthy about this, but I told her what
I was doing and she was like, I was speaking to Frey and
Scarlett about this and we didn't really know each other at
the time. And then she was like, they were
like, well, well, well, Missy, live and learn.
And I was like, how did they like, they don't know me.
This isn't going to happen to me.
And it did. It happened to me.
And it happened to you? Yeah, it happened to someone
again. Not now.
Listen up, but don't do it. But not to you, but to someone
else. It's going to happen and maybe
you can make people feel better that I've gone through similar
situations to this. Sure, let's give us the rundown
of what maybe inspired some interesting songs from you too.
Did you actually I'm trying to think of what songs it inspired
or or can you not even release? Them I don't a song called I
Dated a monster. Oh my God, yeah.
That was about someone. Now everybody knows that I dated
a monster. Yeah, it's a really good song.
Do you know what it's like? Oh, I'm going to struggle to
talk about it a little bit. OK, Just because not because of
I don't know, I feel like I got off lightly in this situation
because it hurt a lot of people. So I kind of want to cheat with
like a lot of grace if I can. No, not not the person who did
it. Like you can go fuck yourself,
but you know it, it hurt a lot of people.
So it kind of stopped being about me as soon as it happened.
I love saying really I Zito context.
Yeah, I did. I actually didn't know this.
Yeah, like quite a lot of people were hurt in the process.
So yeah, I really want to treat with like, a lot of grace.
But you can give people the Cliff notes of the of the
situation. Right, so.
Who's tragic? Day one, I'm a stupid bitch.
I go on a date with this person and we have an incredible date.
We really, really do. And it's so funny and we get
really drunk and we're like, let's get tattoos.
We get tattoos on the first date.
Hilarious. I would do that again.
I'm so sorry. That's the one part of this
story that I would happily do again.
OK, hold on a minute. Where is it though?
This. Oh, I just covered it up.
Yeah, I have a tattoo sleeve. It doesn't really matter if I
get a tattoo, but if you have 0 tattoos and that's on you bitch.
These are even sleeves. That's just your skin.
Yeah, this is just my skin. Yeah.
So I thought that was hilarious, to be fair.
And I would do that again. And then we started dating and
we were dating for like 3 months and we were like, let's book a
Chapel in Vegas. It's like not even like the
engagement, it's quite literally physically booking the wedding.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
What? Made you, it's just out of
interest. Do that, yeah.
Knock and roll. Yeah, fuck yeah.
Yeah, they don't rock and they don't roll like.
They don't knock and roll like they used to.
You've all got anxiety. Yeah.
Well, I would do that again
because I was so short of it at the time.
I was genuinely so short of it. Yeah.
Also. Like no regrets honestly when
you do shit fuck it. Whatever it is, yeah, no shit at
all. Look at it, whatever.
But yeah, I was genuinely like, this is the one thing that I'm
maybe the most upset about is I genuinely, you know, love to
this person and I trusted this person and I wouldn't have done
any of this if I didn't see a future.
Yeah, and to be fair, you knew her really well.
All it takes is 3 months. Well, yes, but from what you.
Knew. From what I knew.
Loved. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely. And then we booked the Chapel
and then she goes on holiday and then like stop speaking to me
when she's there and I'm a stupid bitch at this point.
What were you thinking when she stopped speaking to you?
And I was like, she's so busy, she's having a great time.
Where was she? I.
Don't know. Beats me.
Yeah.
No, it's really quite embarrassing, but.
No, it's not. No, that's not embarrassing.
I mean, it is a little bit quite.
Literally fled the country, but it's still not embarrassing.
Well, but yeah, she went on holiday and then when she came
back, I literally like, walked back into the house and I was
like, right, OK, what happened then?
Because I felt it immediately. I just really felt it.
And then, yeah, she was like, you think I've cheated on you?
Like, how dare you? And oh fucking hell.
And I was like. So that's your problem.
But you know, like accusing someone of cheating on you is
such a horrible feeling. And I have such a like guilt
complex and like such a need and desire to be good that.
You felt bad I was asking. I felt horrendous.
I felt horrified by it. I was like, I've just accused
you of cheating on me. There's no way we're coming back
from this. There's absolutely no way we're
coming back from this. Whether you have or you haven't
felt horrendous. Then we broke up over tax.
Classic. Yeah, it was like 5 minutes
before I went on stage. I had a Katy Perry moment.
Joey Russell Brown breaks up with her, she puts her phone in
the bag and goes on stage. Famously I had that, but it was
150 people in Cardiff or whatever.
It counts. Fuck you.
Fuck you, You know what? Rock'n'roll again.
Yeah, Rock'n'roll, fuck me. But yeah, we broke up after that
and then I found out she was dating this 64 year old man that
she's known the entire time and. The entire time she knew him.
Oh yeah, and they were on that holiday together, Yeah.
Did he know that you two were together in that booked Chapel?
Yeah, I'm so entirely confused. Yeah.
Did he have money? OK, I won't ask that question.
We can. We can cut that out.
But do you know what I'm I'm so happy to talk about what
happened to me, but I feel like when it comes to talking about
them. There's no point in even talking
about it. It's not even that.
It's just, you know, they have their own dives right now and
this affected way more, way more than just me.
And I do want to. Let's talk about how it affected
you. So that's.
Fucking brutal, yeah, but it could be brilliant there.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm.
Here's the thing that obviously it was shit and it was awful and
for about a year I didn't even kiss anyone in the bar because I
was like, I didn't go fuck themselves, quite frankly.
Is that how you felt? I was going to ask, what was
your like visceral reaction to this?
Oh my, I like completely lost my naivety and my innocence and I
don't and it. Goes like that, doesn't it?
Yeah. 100% And I've been so privileged in my life where like
I haven't really had anyone close to me hurt me.
And I feel like so many people grow up and they're like, my
parents are pieces of shit actually.
And you'd learn that very early on.
But I'd never really had that, just such a position of
privilege. But I'd grown up with everyone
being quite nice to me. So as soon as that happened, I
was like, oh, sometimes people are just evil and you have no
way of finding out. See, you're in the cute little
village in Wales, right? Skipping around.
Good morning. What does that accent?
Wales has zero depression. It's so.
Weird. They literally they do, don't
they? But yeah, it was, it was just
one of those situations where you know, all I felt like all
that I knew it kind of crumbled. It's like it's it's that moment
as well though, where you one mourn your naivety and also not
only you like fuck you for doing this to me one you lied to.
What the fuck? Thirdly, I'm annoyed that you've
taken what was mine, which was that, yeah, that naivety and and
you almost grieve. I feel like anyway, I might be
like projecting this onto you, but I'm saying like in genuine,
I think that this is what happens.
It's like you grieve who you were before that thing happened.
100% because. You're like, fuck, 100%.
I was so carefree. Yeah.
I was really loving life, absolutely.
But I do think that that can come back.
Like I do genuinely think that that love for life in a sense
like. And that optimism can come back
in certain ways, but it comes with a different nuance to the
way that you breach it. You're like, yeah, yeah, this is
good. I'm aware of what could go wrong
now, but absolutely. So like, I will still throw
myself into it because you're such a lover girl still, right?
So that's why I'm kind of then looking back at you, not even
like kissing somebody afterwards where you just thinking, God,
there's no way that I'm going to allow somebody to do this to me
again. Yeah, that was absolutely it.
That was absolutely it. And I think, you know, there was
a out of me that was so deeply embarrassed by it.
I think at that time. And I was so self-conscious.
I think I was like, God, you've chosen of this other person over
me because I have nothing to offer you.
And yeah, that was such AI guess.
Like a little ego death. You know that is not the truth
though. No, fuck you for that.
Genuinely fuck you, right? No, you are super hot, super
talented. Yeah, that's very sweet.
But yeah, I think that was the main thing for me was that like,
I was so innocent and so loving, and then I just like, didn't
really believe that anymore. But I kind of do.
I kind of do. Yeah.
And I just like, sorry, this is like a personal question, but do
you find now that you're you're in a different relationship that
because I think that it's more confronting to heal when you're
with somebody else. How do you think that you have
like struggled, especially like at the beginning where you were
just like, like that panic sets over and you're like, God, do
you want to do the same to me? Oh yeah, 100%.
No matter how they're acting, yeah, it doesn't matter how the
other person is acting, but you're going to do.
The same, yeah, 100%. But I think, you know, I really
kind of live my life that way. I'm maybe going to describe what
anxiety is right now just after saying that I didn't have it.
But you know, I really look at every situation that I'm in and
think like, what could go wrong in this situation and how would
I get out of it if it did, which I think is kind of Aussie.
Anyway, I also think it's survival.
Yeah, 100%. And I do.
I've always left my life in survival mode, I think.
Me too, Yeah. So I have that regardless of
what the situation is. Yeah, and you're like emotion
scanning and you're. Doing yeah, 100 percent, 100%,
but I've always done that. So that doesn't really feel
different to me. But I'm definitely finding, you
know, being in a relationship, I'm really having to confront
myself a lot and I'm error. I think, yeah, I'm having to be
like, you're actually not with the same person.
So you can't, you can't have that fear anymore because it's
unfair. Yeah, you're very emotionally
mature. I don't think so.
I don't think so until the disk. Track comes out, yeah, yeah.
But I think with them, we're now kind of bringing it back to
music, and obviously that inspired a great song.
Where do you, like, typically find your inspiration from in
music now? I can't.
Really write about things that haven't happened to me.
Yeah. So I do just kind of like look
into my journal or I'm always melody first.
I always like melody 1st and then I'll tend to like, say
something. So it's very stream of
consciousness. Yeah, I'll say something and
then I'll be like, oh, this is about you being a fucking
wanker. Great Do.
You ever feel like it just kind of riffs off your tongue without
you even really thinking about? Yeah, so I do the same thing
where I like write friends songs on the spot so.
I love that. I love that.
And like Paul, Liver's been at the brunt of this quite a few
times. But I do usually say nice
things, don't I? I usually sing nice things, you
know when I do my songs on the spot.
Look at that. Abused to me no when you do.
Them for other people it's quite fun.
Sometimes mine are a bit. More No, they're not.
I have shit going, I have shit going on.
It's quite fun. It's.
Quite therapeutic actually. Yeah, I really love.
It yeah, you really like it, but you see how that stream of
consciousness just happens. I just kind of sit down and they
go, how do you do that? I said blacked out.
Love that. Like just blacked out.
Love that. I think that's being a
songwriter though. I mean I I sang a song about our
tits Brilliant and that is really inspirational.
That is inspirational. There should be more songs about
tits. I think Glee covers it wouldn't
act. Yeah.
Yes, this is Songbird. Landslide took me out.
By the way. Glee don't don't mention the
Wall. Yeah, first of all of Glee is
don't mention Landslide. Yeah, literally.
Oh no, what about if I die young?
Yeah. See, I'd stopped watching at
that time. Yeah.
Yeah.
No, no, no, it's bad. No.
Yeah.
Sorry. Yeah.
So that's in May. Yeah, yeah.
So, well, we're releasing the first single in May and I need
to go back to doing shows because I've only ever done
shows with other people. I've only ever done 2 headline
shows. I've never told I'm so excited.
Yeah. So I really want to just get
that going. Yeah, I mean, you are insane
life. Like again, I'm going back to
battering you up after making you relive your trauma.
I feel like you're really great. Brilliant.
No, you are amazing, amazing life like.
Your vocals are like next level. Thank you.
That's my only job. Yeah, this.
Is what I got going on and and the barista job is gone.
Yes, yeah, the barista job is. Gone Did you ever play your own
music when you were working in? A no, but they would do that to
me and just watch me crumble. Yeah.
Yeah, they just watch me crumble.
But you know, this is really funny.
But I'd live with one of the people that I used to work at
the coffee shop with and it was coffee shop and a wine bar.
And I thought I was like, play decent at it.
I was like, I can make a coffee. I can, I'm charming, it'll be
fine. I thought I was fine.
I got the looks for it. I can make a coffee.
It's in East London. They love me here.
I have a tattoo sleeve. Come on, I can make a coffee.
And then I live with this person who worked at the shop now, and
we were talking about it the other day and they were like,
Kat, you were so bad at that job.
Yeah, hold on. And I was like, hey, what?
I thought I was great at it. I had all the tattoos and
everything. Yeah, I know.
It was a perfect East London barista because I had the tattoo
slave and they're. Really snobby about their coffee
in East London as. Well, yeah, like.
Way more than the rest of London. 100 London is already
bad but E is like yeah you're weighing shit. 100%, yeah.
But yeah, they were like, you're really bad at it.
So I quit that job fairly recently, but I thought that I
could like go back if I had like.
So you stopped your dream of being a barista because they
told you that you were bad and you're like, well, I may as
well, I have to do music now. If this stops going for me, I'm
gonna have to take it seriously. No, do you know what?
I actually quit because I had so many shifts that I just couldn't
do yeah anymore because they were like, can you come in on
Tuesday? And I'd be like, no, I'm on tour
and. Which is also Rock'n'roll.
Which is also, yeah, but also goes hand in hand with me being
bad at it. Yeah, you know the.
First of all, she just got fired.
Yeah. First of all of working is you
actually have to turn up and go there and I just wasn't doing
that. But yeah, like you never.
Turned up and even when you did it with.
Shit, it was shit yeah, which is great, but yeah, I I did quit
recently but you know, music is such a funny game that I'm 3
quiet months from going back in so.
Yeah, but I think, I mean you, we need more lesbian singers for
a start. Actually, what's good that's
come out of this is that they've just cleared the path for you
quite openly. Yeah, brilliant.
Yeah, I wish the path with with. Whoa whoa whoa, I wish the path
on. Is this thing?
Hello? I wish the path was cleared with
more money, that would be great. And also like, if the path just
had more lesbians, you know what I mean?
I feel like the I feel like the way that it works right now is
that it's like, yeah, one dies and another one rises and
doesn't make way for Katty. But I, I mean, look, I love it.
And I've been a big fan of your music for so long, so I know
that that is like destined to happen.
Your manifestation skills are clearly fucking top notch.
If you managed to open for Stevie Nicks on like literally A
Hope and a Prayer, so I have no doubt that you will smash this
I. Hope so.
I hope so. I feel good about it Yeah, I am
really delusional. I'm.
No, no, delusion is great. Right but I'm sure like things
will work out for me and I have 0 evidence to back it up but
like whatever, fuck. It Oh no same.
I say this all the time, like everything everything works out
for. Me real, and because it has to.
Because it has to. Yeah.
And you know what it kind of like it has to, right?
And it's like everything that I was ever worried about is like a
very distant memory Now you know that is so true.
And and so you just what? What's the fun and not being
delusional. Real.
Well, absolutely and. I actually wanted, I want to do
an episode next time, which is all about like why?
Because obviously lesbians are very, very in tune to
spirituality and star signs by astrology.
And I think the reason for that is because we've been shunned
out religion. So it's like you've got
something, I was thinking about this on the plane the other day.
So you've got to have something that you believe in.
And also because your your life is a lot tougher, a lot harder
to have something that is like above you that is saying that
like this is going to be OK. Also, your identity is so
fucking mixed because everyone's telling you who you are and you
don't know and you want to relate to your star sign and
you're like, yeah, that's me and you belong to something.
Absolutely. We've got a few things going on
there. And I think that like.
I think you're so right. But, but I do also believe, like
manifestation is a real thing. And absolutely, you know, the
reason why you want something so bad.
Like Madonna famously said, if you want it, wait, you really
got it. Yeah, If you want it, you've
already got it. Yeah, absolutely.
And so like, you want this so bad and like you're doing this
and it's, it's going to work because you've already got it.
Like there's like, absolutely. I think that's great.
I fully believe that. I don't have.
I do actually have plenty of lesbian horror stories, however,
I wanted you to give some advice on something instead that
somebody wrote. Okay, okay, not.
Too long ago, and I feel like you're quite good to be in the
position to do this. Okay, all right, after hearing
about the absolute shit show of Chapel Gate.
Yeah, don't worry. Yep, Yep.
Talk about Chapel. Just really quickly, can we, can
we really quickly touch in the whole chapel's security going
for a child thing and what's your thoughts on it?
My thoughts are let that bitch live.
Let that fucking bitch live. Let that kid get kicked to the
as far as I'm concerned. It is none of my business what
that woman does in her spare time.
It is none of my business what our hobbies are.
Nothing. To do with.
You just no. But The thing is like my brain
just imagining like the security guards doing this and she's
literally 2 steps behind him like.
Ghetto dead like get her, get her.
No, it sounds like everyone loves blaming a woman for
something that a man did so fuck.
Yeah, Oh my God. Something that like also men do
all the fucking time, but it would never even make headline
news. Got it, got it, got it.
Because I've actually heard on many different occasions of some
other high profile celebrities doing very similar things that
are men. And the preserves?
Believe it does not happen, does not make the part the tabloids.
Yeah, yeah. So I want your advice.
Oh, yeah. Oh, this isn't mine.
Sounds like when I I want your. Advice.
OK, OK, I'm so sorry in advance. This poor person.
So he said she was really, really, really nice, this girl.
And she messaged me saying I've listened to basically every
episode twice and you've never covered what to do if your
girlfriend doesn't want to give head.
The silence is deafening. OK, OK.
I'm sorry, obviously I don't want to do anything she doesn't
want to do, but I wanted to see what you guys thought.
Stroke what you do in my scenario because it's dawning on
me that I might never give nor receive head ever again.
I've asked why before. She finds it unhygienic and
doesn't really enjoy receiving either for the same reason.
I've just not met anyone in the same scenario.
My friends really don't know how to advise because the Bible's
like wow wow sucks for you. Advice or your thoughts
appreciated. Babe, I've got nothing.
I've got nothing to fresh out. Fucking ideas for once.
I've got nothing to say. We shut her up.
You silenced me. Do you know what?
That's actually so difficult. No, it is.
I think it wasn't a conversation.
I would immediately be like, hey, you don't want to do this
thing and you don't like giving or receiving it, but then just
giving her a decent, it's like it feels unhygienic.
So I guess you have to ask yourself like can I be in this
relationship without giving or deceiving head?
My answer would be no. Your answer is whatever you
want. No, literally I'm like, I'm out
of here. Yeah, my advice for everyone is
bringing back breaking up, Yeah. We're bringing it back to
breaking up. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, except for me, Amy. She.
Doesn't want to say. Yeah, Amy, not you, babe.
Amy, turn it off. No, I think, I think it's one of
those things, right? There's two, three OK, three
different scenarios. I would say, OK, and I want to
see if you agree. OK, Scenario number one, have
like a conversation more so maybe about why she finds it
unhygienic. Because I do also think that
like this isn't this other woman's problem per SE.
I think that she's been fed so much misinformation.
Like, do you remember when you were at school and they were
like, oh, fishy. 100% yeah, that's, yeah, that's such a good
point. Women are seen, like, women are
seen to be unclean, right? So that could be one thing.
So maybe it's something that like, she needs to work on
because also the fact that it even stops her from receiving it
as well, She's just very uncomfortable with, like,
anything related to that. And that's like, a real shame
and like, you should live out honey and get eaten out.
Yeah, what was what was the slogan in COVID?
It was like eat out to help out. Exactly.
Yeah, exactly. Drop the COVID and bring it
back. Bring back eat out to help out
just minus COVID. And then secondly, yeah, it's
like maybe we, you know, you need to see if you can just like
get stay in this relationship without receiving and giving
head. And maybe it's not like the deal
breaker because there could be so many amazing things about
this person and love is so powerful.
So like, I think The thing is for me is that like if I was
like so deeply in love with someone, then it's like, I
don't, I don't know, it's difficult because, you know,
it's a really tricky 1. And thirdly, dump the bitch.
All three great options. Thirdly, thirdly, like break up
if you're not, if you're not feeling like that's something
that you feel like you want to compromise on, which is also
like so fine too. I think that it's such like a,
it probably isn't as nuanced as she thinks it is.
I have a feeling that this probably happens quite a lot in
like different relationships so. You know, it's, it's an income,
it's an incompatibility. And I think you have to speak
about those and be like, is this something that we, is this
something that can change? Yeah.
Is this something that can change, or is it something that
I can do without or something that you can do without?
Yeah, because also the compromise can work on both
ends. Yeah, she might want to have a
bit of therapy for the unhygienic.
Yeah, but also vaginas. Vaginophobic.
Bless.
This is actually such a difficult, that's such a
difficult place. To believe how I've put like the
the person who has OCD, the feeling like being a bad person
I've. Given you now I've given you bad
advice and you've broken up because of me.
I promise you, Kathy, everything is going.
Fine. Yeah, cool.
Everything and this isn't your fault.
OK, great. None of this is your fault.
Great and like also take she. Doesn't want to eat you out
because of me. Yeah, you know what?
It's all your fault. Brilliant.
Maybe that'll make her feel better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blame me.
Yeah, literally. I'm happy to be the brand of
like any blame because I've already blamed myself when
things are happening and like I see people that I love, like
struggling and things that happened, I'm like, Oh my God,
blame me. Let let people just blame me.
Let them, let them, let them, let them blame me because it's
definitely my fault. Hate this for us.
That's definitely how my brain works.
You know what? You make it work in so many
beautiful ways. There we go.
I love that you too, baby. Yeah, yeah.
And is there anything else that you want to tell the lesbians
before your departure off this sofa?
Keep being lesbians. Yeah.
Keep it going. Keep it going.
Keep the agenda strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're doing great, sweetie. Yeah, you're doing great.
There's loads of us now, isn't there?
There is actually quite a few. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love it. Yeah, yeah.
Nice accent, this one. Yeah.
My deal. Trying that one on for size.
I keep getting that everyone's like, what is headier accent?
I don't fucking know. It's none of my business.
You don't know whatever the fuck that accent, Yeah, it's none of
your. Business.
It's none of my business. No, neither does anything else.
No, I'm really gutted that I can't do a Welsh accent,
considering that I'm Welsh. Yeah, Evans, I guess who that
came from. Yeah, Wales for sure, but I
guess your accent is Welsh. That's.
Not how it what? That's not how it was.
Did you just gas like my accent? That's.
Actually not how it was literally the most
quintessentially British person sat here right now and you're
like, well, that's that's. But I was like, if you're Welsh
then your accent is. Oh, I love that, right?
It's very inclusive, sure. Thank you.
But yeah, sorry. So carry on.
What can the lesbians look forward to, and is there
anything else that you'd like to say?
I've got nothing left. Just just keep being done.
Just. Keep being lesbians.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Fantastic.
Unless, of course, you're not one because you aren't allowed
to change your mind. Yeah, sexuality is.
Sexuality is fluid. That's all from me, folks.
Cassie, I love you. I love you so much.
I love you so much, and I'm so
glad that I finally got you in quite literally the hot seat.
I know that I had to cover like 20 different topics with you,
but it's because I was so excited though, I loved it, and
because the law has just continued to law since I wanted
to get you on. So there's just so many
different things. Yeah, I'm pretty.
I have different normal law. I think I've lured I.
Think you've lured her your last law?
Absolutely. Then also, if you are going to
go down like the Stevie Licks through, there's got to be a
few. Oh my God, we're gonna be like
together, eyes to eyes, Guitar Silver Springs.
Brilliant, brilliant. We have to start a feud between
us. Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Wait until you see the edit of this.
It was my fault. You did something, yeah.
Literally we're there, we do like 1 mean look at each other
and just go I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
That was on me.
You were great. Just wait until you see that I
have like I've edited this episode and it's just you just
saying like close are pretty horrible things like fucking
kids. Like I might just do an edit
just for you. Oh no.
It's. Explosion Therapy, Katie.
Oh, that anxiety, it's. Not doing great.
All right, all right. Brilliant.
Katie, I love you so much. I love you so much.
Tell the lesbians where they can find you.
They can find me on the Internet.
You can find me on the Internet. It's Katie dot MP3 or Katie dot
MP4. Amazing you're gonna give them
in your address as well. Yeah, sure.
No, I thank you so much for coming on.
You're amazing. I cannot wait to hear what
you've got coming out and see you on the stage and what this
manifestation is going to bring you next and obviously your
talent. But thank you and lesbians.
We love you too. And we will speak to you next
week. Say goodbye to the.
Lesbians. Bye lesbians.