1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,440 What? No, it's alright. 2 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,000 I cannot see myself. I can see the bottom of my boot. 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,360 She's looking worn. Do you know what SO is mine. 4 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,000 Looking worn and torn, I feel like is mine. 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,480 Yeah, it's giving Woody. They were made for walking and 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,520 that's that. That's just what they'll do. 7 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,200 And I've. Worked. 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,680 Ohh hello lesbians. Hello Katy. 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,760 Hi baby. Oh my God, this is this is 10 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,280 surreal to me, Katy. This is surreal to me. 11 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Yeah, because I've been wanting to get you on the podcast for so 12 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:28,840 long now. I think from the moment that I 13 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,480 saw you on that stage strutting your staff, you were supporting 14 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,560 Beth McCarthy. That must have been a while ago 15 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,480 as. Well, oh, it was a while ago and 16 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,880 I was like, first of all, I want this picture with my friend. 17 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Yeah. Second of all, who the fuck is 18 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,640 this superstar? And then thirdly, I'm like, 19 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,640 well, she must be involved in the lesbian stuff like that 20 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:44,960 podcast. It has to happen. 21 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,480 I love that I'm so sick to be here. 22 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,360 Thank you so much. It's like a full 3. 23 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,520 It is now since that's happened. So now we've finally made it. 24 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,200 I love this for us. I feel like we're completely 25 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,760 different people as well. Yeah, from like 3 years ago. 26 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,640 I know, I completely agree. I thought for a second you meant 27 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:00,880 like between you and I, I'm like. 28 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,360 Yeah. Oh, wait, you and I are so 29 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,320 different. I don't know how this 30 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,480 conversation. Is going to go actually, we are 31 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,440 so different fucking we have nothing in common. 32 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,840 Where do we are from here? No. 33 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,560 Yeah, literally. I have no idea what to ask you a 34 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,840 joke, lesbians. For those who don't know, Kathy 35 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,360 is an incredible singer. You are an amazing artist. 36 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,080 You are one to be reckoned with. I've been following her for 37 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,160 years. She is a very Welsh, very 38 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,880 lesbian singer-songwriter. You've written with. 39 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,960 Actually a friend of mine as well, Lauren Aquilina. 40 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,800 Love making your way around with people. 41 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,040 That. She's actually my first ever 42 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,600 lesbian kiss as well. I was 16. 43 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,960 Yeah, that's. So lovely. 44 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,240 I've been holding on to that one. 45 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,080 She made me. Go. 46 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Is that an exclusive? Yeah, I love trying to get her 47 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,960 on here for SO. Long. 48 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,960 But Katy, you are you are amazing. 49 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,080 And I will have to like bow my hands down to you, like 50 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,120 everything that you have done that you've released since I 51 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,920 ever saw you supporting Beth at that show. 52 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,080 I was like, this girl has got something that is remarkable and 53 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,600 the wildness. Here, it's just too nice. 54 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,520 This is so nice. I'm I'm literally luring you 55 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,840 into false sense insecurities and I'm about to follow it up 56 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,840 really nicely. You're also I can't no guys so. 57 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,640 That's so lovely. Thank you so much for saying 58 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:17,880 that. No, of course it's, well, we're 59 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,560 both Welsh for a start. Yes, we are so good for. 60 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,920 Yeah, we are. And Kathy, you came, you know, 61 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,160 from a very small town. Yeah, in Wales. 62 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,080 Because I mean, I really put two and two together when you 63 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,040 exclusively were speaking Welsh to your parents, right. 64 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:32,640 Yeah. Yeah. 65 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,960 So you speak Welsh? Yeah, my entire school system 66 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,640 was in Welsh, that my first language was Welsh. 67 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,920 I spoke English to my dad because he was from Liverpool. 68 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,320 What a mix. But everything else, yeah. 69 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,680 Great accent on this one. Yeah. 70 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,960 So, yeah, she's not Scottish. She's not Scottish, but everyone 71 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,800 thinks she is. But yeah, so I spoke Welsh 72 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,760 pretty much my entire life. Yeah. 73 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,120 And still do. It's incredible. 74 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,640 How do you say How do you say lesbian supper club in Welsh? 75 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,360 That is out of my wheelhouse and I apologise for that. 76 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:02,760 Lesbian supper club. Well. 77 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,240 How do you say supper club? They don't have those in Wales. 78 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,080 I don't even know how you would say supper club in Welsh. 79 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:11,240 Didn't you ever imagine that for me? 80 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,080 Like I can say it's in Welsh, but could you ever imagine a 81 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,360 supper club in Wales? A supper club in Wales. 82 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,000 No, I mean like just a general suffer club. 83 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,080 Like I feel like that just doesn't even exist in Wales. 84 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,480 I felt like they were like just go to a pub. 85 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Just go to the pub. Yeah. 86 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,480 Do you know what? Yeah, absolutely. 87 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,400 We love a pub down there. Oh, club. 88 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,360 OK Blue. But see. 89 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:37,040 Like super. Yeah, I like that. 90 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,840 I look like I'm not Welsh right now. 91 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,600 Maybe I am Scottish, Joe. What? 92 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,120 Maybe I am Scottish. What? 93 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,360 I mean, you just lied a little bit. 94 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Yeah, I will not. Confirm more than I the rumors. 95 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Maybe all the rumors are true, Cathy. 96 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,560 All the rumors are true, I am Scottish. 97 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:56,840 Thank you so much for having me. Get the fuck out, this whole 98 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,040 time you've been lying about being Welsh. 99 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,160 You don't even gay. I also don't even sing. 100 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,400 I'm not entirely sure what I'm here. 101 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,320 That lip syncing is really fucking good though. 102 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,240 It's really, really good. So because obviously I want to 103 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,240 get into your music in a bit, but I want people to know you as 104 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,880 a person and come to love you as a person like how I have. 105 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,760 So you grew up in a small town. What what was your expression to 106 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,000 gay awakening? I mean, I know how it is to grow 107 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,040 up in quite a town that is smaller where there's not a lot 108 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,840 of gay zoom in that my sister was gay, but don't worry about 109 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:32,400 it where there isn't that exposure. 110 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,800 Let's just put it that way. And obviously, like, did you 111 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,160 find that with within a small town that it was harder to see 112 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,880 representation or was there literally one guy in the village 113 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,920 and it was you? No, absolutely. 114 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,960 I think it was so hard to see that presentation that I didn't 115 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,920 really see myself at all until I was maybe about like 1920. 116 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,840 I genuinely had no idea. I would have these thoughts 117 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:57,880 every now and again when I watch something gay that I would 118 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,360 actively find myself and I was like, maybe I'm gay. 119 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,040 And then I would be like. Surely not. 120 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Can I just say how funny it is that we all, collaboratively, by 121 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,800 the way, as a queer community, went out searching shit and were 122 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,440 like, so I don't know if I'm gay, You know what I mean? 123 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Everyone like Google's girls kissing. 124 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,600 Yeah, everyone that's absolutely everyone has a weird obsession 125 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,320 with. Why does my Fanny do that thing? 126 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,960 I see girls kissing. Yeah, that happens. 127 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,920 To everyone, yeah, no questions asked. 128 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,480 But I think especially, like, growing up in a small town, like 129 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,520 for me, something that I've realized as I've gotten older is 130 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,760 the conversations I was having with other people about gay 131 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:44,360 people really affected me in terms of like, just the way that 132 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:45,920 my family would be like, you're not gay, are you? 133 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:49,080 That to me, had so much weight, of course, that I didn't even 134 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,760 realize that if I was, it would be such a bad thing. 135 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,120 I think that pushed me so far into the closet that I didn't 136 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:57,600 even know until I was like, 1920. 137 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,320 Wow. OK, because I feel like we've 138 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,680 all been in stealth mode in like gay hate conversations where 139 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,480 they didn't know that we were gay or even we didn't know that 140 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,240 we. Were gay? 141 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,120 Absolutely. And being witnessed that and 142 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,880 bearing witness that is really damaging and we've all been 143 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,040 there. And I think that I, that's also 144 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,560 why I keep fighting for gay rights, obviously for so many 145 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,280 different reasons, but also because that still goes on. 146 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,720 These conversations are still being had. 147 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,920 They just censor themselves around us now. 100% do you know 148 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,920 what I mean? I'm 100%. 149 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,040 You just know that I'm gay. So you're not saying it, you 150 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,280 know, whereas you're saying it with your other friends and you 151 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:36,920 know all people that you know. So I'm sorry that you had to 152 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,000 like bear witness to that though. 153 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,680 So you you had that small town mentality and then you figured 154 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,680 it out when you were 19. What was the thing that made you 155 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:44,960 figure out that you were gay at 19? 156 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Oh, this is so embarrassing. OK. 157 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,880 It's so I love it. The more embarrassing the 158 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,320 better. It's not even that embarrassing. 159 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,600 I was literally just watching cattle. 160 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Yeah. When I was like, hey, hold on, 161 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,680 got it. It just clicked in my brain. 162 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,720 But I've had, like, weird friendships. 163 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,600 I've had weird experiences with women that were cleared. 164 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,520 Now can you tell me one that was like weird, Like was there a 165 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:12,480 moment that you were like, oh, how do? 166 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,360 I do this without incriminating myself. 167 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Incriminate yourself. I can give you 1 as well, so 168 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:20,960 don't. Worry. 169 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,040 Yeah, I just had. I had this best friend when I 170 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,400 was growing up where it is so clear to me now that I had 171 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,960 feelings for her. Yeah. 172 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,200 But I just genuinely had no idea at the time. 173 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,360 I thought everyone just made each other playlist and always 174 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,880 took the love letters. I thought that was just 175 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,160 friendship but I didn't have that with any of my other 176 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,240 friends. But I now feel like such a huge 177 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,160 amount of guilt about that. Why? 178 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,120 Because this friend was. Out. 179 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,280 And so she's gay. Yeah, Yeah. 180 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Yeah, right. Yeah. 181 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,960 She was out. Yeah. 182 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,120 And she was like, at that time, the bravest person that I'd 183 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,240 known. She was out and I was so deep in 184 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,920 the closet that I she must have known immediately that I was 185 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,880 gay. And she handled that situation 186 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,840 with such a grace and like, such patience. 187 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,680 Did you ever tell her how you felt? 188 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Years later, yeah. Really. 189 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Yeah. Was she like I felt the same way 190 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,560 or was she like what the fuck? No, we both. 191 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,840 We both kind of knew. Yeah, we, yeah, Kathy, we had 192 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,840 sex. What? 193 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,560 No. No, that's so good. 194 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,640 I feel like a lot of us have had experiences like that where it's 195 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,080 like, well, yeah, we're best friends. 196 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,720 Of course we scissor. Do you know what we actually 197 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,039 didn't? We actually didn't. 198 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,799 No, no scissoring for you. No scissoring with that friend, 199 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:40,960 Not with that one, but with the other ones, yeah. 200 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,159 All the straight ones, Yep, not the openly gay ones. 201 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,480 I feel like maybe a part of you as well admired her and that was 202 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,000 kind of a part of like that infatuation, like because she 203 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,080 was openly gay you. Probably were like wow, 204 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,480 absolutely. And still now I'm like, you're 205 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,880 the coolest person ever. I love that. 206 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,200 But yeah, I do hold a lot of guilt and a lot of resentment 207 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,280 for myself about that time I. Think you should never carry 208 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,880 guilt or resentment for somebody that didn't reflect now what you 209 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,960 know you know you weren't in a position if you knew it's very 210 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,680 very different and also so underdeveloped I'm sorry like 211 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:14,280 our brains and. Developed. 212 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,640 Yeah. My brain's still not fully 213 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,720 developed. Now they said I was 25, but mine 214 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,800 is so delayed. So delayed. 215 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Mine is delayed. I'm 32. 216 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,560 I'm 29. Am I? 217 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,080 No, I'm not. I'm 28. 218 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:26,720 It's somewhere. This is where I'm out. 219 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,000 That I'm lying about my age in music. 220 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,360 I'm 18. Oh, yeah. 221 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Please do. I'm 29 this year I think. 222 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,760 No, but I feel like the music game is changing though. 223 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,760 Do you remember when like X Factor, the over 25 category, 224 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,320 you'd be like, they are old and shit, Yeah, they're old as shit 225 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:42,440 and now it's really changed. I thank God. 226 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,720 Yeah, now weird all this shit is changing for me like. 227 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:47,840 Fucking changing. Absolutely. 228 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,200 Otherwise you'd be screwed. 100%, yeah, 100% let it screw 229 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,360 me, though. Honestly, I don't really have 230 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,520 that thing with age that everyone seems to have, and it 231 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,440 might hit me, but I don't really have it. 232 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:02,520 I'm so excited to grow it and I think that comes down to 233 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,480 lesbianism. Is it because you watch Carol 234 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,280 You? Drop me. 235 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,320 Yeah, like all the women at heart get me there all the. 236 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Women are really hot. I mean, you literally have a 237 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,440 song that's about missing. Oh yeah, you do have. 238 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,320 That was my Ghost Rider. Yeah, about being obsessed with 239 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,440 your ex's mom. And that's why you miss your ex. 240 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,040 You don't miss your ex. You miss your ex's mom. 241 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,880 That is a banger, by the way. Thank you so much. 242 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,600 That boy Kendra, I don't care about him. 243 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Should we cut him out on the podcast? 244 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,480 No, he was actually really sweet. 245 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,480 He was actually really sweet. But I think that's the thing 246 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,720 about music is you do just dramatize everything, right? 247 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,480 And I wrote that song about this date that I had with this boy 248 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,360 where I was at his house for four hours, which is my first 249 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,800 mistake, but he just didn't offer me a drink the entire time 250 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,800 that I was there. And then his mum came home and 251 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,440 was like, can I get you anything, like a glass of water 252 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,960 or anything? And I was like, wow. 253 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,400 Wow. Wow, she is amazing. 254 00:10:58,400 --> 00:10:59,600 Yeah. And then I ended up writing that 255 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,240 song that was like, I don't miss you, I just miss your mum. 256 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,120 That's fantastic. But it was about such a tiny 257 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,800 tiny. You know what though? 258 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,200 Tiny like that. It's where the bar is on the 259 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,480 floor. Like below hell. 260 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,760 Yeah, get me a. Tap water. 261 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,320 Yeah, tap water. The fact that like, his mummy 262 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,080 had to get you a tap water that just was like, like the pedestal 263 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,720 is like right up there. I mean, what, 100? 264 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Percent, but I wish my little 17 year old self was just like hey 265 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,520 I'm really thirsty can I get a drink? 266 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:27,800 Oh, I remember agonising around my friend's houses that, like, I 267 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,200 would be starving, you know, the type of friends that, like, 268 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,400 you're not that close to. Yeah. 269 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,720 Yeah. So you're just sat there and 270 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,200 you're like, wow, I really need a wee. 271 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,040 Yeah, I'm thirsty. Absolutely. 272 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,520 Haven't eaten in five hours, which was a long time for me 273 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,400 back then. Right. 274 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,680 And now. And I was like, this is hell, 275 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,200 yeah, but I will suffer. No, 100% actually. 276 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,720 I'm not hungry. Yeah, I'm not. 277 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,000 Hungry. Oh yeah, no, they offered me 278 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,480 food. Yeah, no, I'm not hungry. 279 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,480 What is that? I feel like that's such a people 280 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,920 pleaser thing because I still do that at my big age. 281 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,800 Yeah, I still do that. How dare I offend you by taking 282 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,400 the food or drinks that you're offering me? 283 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,240 100%. Question what if she had offered 284 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,200 you anything better than a tap? Water would have been there and 285 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,640 then. Yeah, yeah, I had a kiss there. 286 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:06,800 I was going straight for the fingers. 287 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,680 Absolutely, absolutely like. Come here I. 288 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,800 Would have done it, yeah. I I've actually this is like the 289 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,760 first time that I'm ever recording in the Spotify studio 290 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,560 for my own podcast. It's right so exciting. 291 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:22,840 No, but it's funny because I'm forgetting that I'm visual on 292 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,800 here. So these weird facial 293 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,320 expressions that I'm making everyone is now gonna be. 294 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,560 Zooming in. On zooming in on, I mean I just 295 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:32,880 did that like moan and squeal at like kissing a woman over 296 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,680 someone. Make that tick so I get it right 297 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:36,840 now, right? Now, should we make out? 298 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Sorry, Amy, but with So you fell in love with them? 299 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,120 Yep. And then you wrote an insane 300 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,600 song for this. Like I loved it. 301 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,080 And then you So when you figured out that you were 19, I'm going 302 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,560 to take it back here. Did you come out at that time or 303 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,960 did you sit with it for a little bit? 304 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,000 I sat with it for a while. I told a few of my friends and I 305 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,000 told my parents, but I very much did it in a way where the closet 306 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,800 door was still open. I could still go back in if I 307 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,960 wanted to. Did you say that you're bi or? 308 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,200 Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. 309 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,920 And you know, it's not a bridge to lesbianism, but it was for 310 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,120 me. I'm so sorry. 311 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,480 I believe that by people are real. 312 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,480 I've seen it. We have seen one. 313 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,840 So it's absolutely so valid. And like, I hate that it was, 314 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,440 you know, I did come out as bi and then realize that it was a 315 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,560 lesbian. So yeah, I kind of had that 316 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,000 conversation with my parents. But I was like, I'm just gonna 317 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,320 follow the vibes and fall in love with who I fall in love 318 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,160 with. And that was always gonna be a 319 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,120 woman. But yeah, yeah, maybe. 320 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,360 I think in a weird way there was so much compact there for me as 321 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,560 well that I was like, maybe I will fall in love with a man and 322 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:52,400 I won't have to do a come out. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 323 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,840 No, I did that, too. Yeah. 324 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,640 A lot of praying and a lot of hope. 325 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:57,800 And yeah. And then you really reach that 326 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,480 level of gay where you're like, wow, if I were to wake up 327 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,520 straight tomorrow, it's game the fuck over. 328 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:04,440 Yeah. Take me to conversion therapy. 329 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,360 It wouldn't work on me. No, but the other way you know. 330 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,480 Oh, like to be gay? Yeah, yeah. 331 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:12,120 Like if I wake up tomorrow and I'm like, I've fallen in love 332 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,480 with a man, I would hope that all of my friends. 333 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,320 Well, I mean. Are taking me to conversion 334 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,760 therapy. A lot of people in my job, it's 335 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,240 happening to them, it's happening to a lot of us. 336 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,800 It actually, yeah, there's like an epidemic going on. 337 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,600 I know. How does it feel to be on the 338 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,880 musician side, knowing that all these lesbians and going the 339 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,440 other way? And are you scared that you're 340 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,960 going to catch it? I don't think I could catch it 341 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,800 if I tried. Like, if I went out looking for 342 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,760 it. Yeah, if I weren't looking for 343 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:37,840 it, it would. I wouldn't find it. 344 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,680 But also, you know, that's such a nuanced conversation topic 345 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,400 because like, obviously if you say you're a lesbian, you go 346 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,600 back on it when we have such a lack of representation. 347 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,000 And then yeah, but. You know what? 348 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,280 You're on the lesbian supper Club. 349 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,640 So like, I feel like you can be safe with that conversation 350 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,480 here. I think that I understand that 351 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,680 sexuality can be fluid, etcetera, etcetera. 100%, we all 352 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,840 know this. But it's about when you 353 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,560 capitalise on a group when actually you never were a 354 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,800 lesbian and you knew it and other people knew it, but you 355 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,320 just publicly didn't put it out there. 356 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,680 Woof, woof woof. Bark. 357 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,840 Barking down the mark. You know, we all have to be very 358 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,120 careful with our words, I think. But I think that's something 359 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,280 that I'm hyper aware of. Like if I say I'm a lesbian and 360 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,480 I write about women in my music, then I am representing a. 361 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,360 Group of people who don't really have much representation wider 362 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,080 than you. It's a big community of us that 363 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,760 we're all relying on you to save big. 364 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,040 No pressure there, no pressure on their shoulders. 365 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,400 But so I think that this is what you do really well in your music 366 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,080 and the way that you are very unapologetically lesbian, but 367 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,000 you also don't make it. You don't make it, like, overly 368 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,240 explicit in any way either. So you brought out Joyride last 369 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:58,040 year. Yeah. 370 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,920 With your beautiful girlfriend Amy Sporting. 371 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,000 We've had on twice. Yeah, you have. 372 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000 I was actually listening to it on the way here like you 373 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,040 getting. Yourself a hyped up. 374 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,360 Is that why you were so nervous when you came? 375 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,440 On So nervous, Yeah, absolutely. And that's an insane video, by 376 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,200 the way, if you guys haven't checked it out, I'm going to put 377 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,760 this in the bio because it's such a great video. 378 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,440 Like it's so theatrical. You're both very dramatic. 379 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,760 I love this about both of you. And I think that she brings out 380 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,120 that, like, even more in you. I've seen, like, since I've seen 381 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,040 you guys together, Like, I think that it's like a confidence to 382 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,480 go ahead of it. Like when you're with somebody 383 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,640 who lets you be so authentic for yourself. 384 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,040 Yeah. That you can be like, fuck, 385 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:34,120 yeah, no, I'm going to do this thing. 386 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,440 And I feel very much like the same for her, too. 387 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,520 I think that it's a really, really beautiful match. 388 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,520 That's such a lovely thing to say, and I think you're so 389 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,040 right. I feel like something that I'm 390 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,880 realizing is, you know, obviously we're together, but on 391 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,680 top of that, we have such a creative partnership where I 392 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,280 wanna see her do well just as much as I wanna see myself do 393 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,480 well, and I think she has that for me as well. 394 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,480 I yeah, I strongly believe that like any partner, you should 395 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,320 both be like biggest fans of one another. 396 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,360 Because if you're not, what the fuck are you doing? 397 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,000 No, but it happens all the. Time. 398 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,360 Don't you just see it like you'd be? 399 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,839 Surprised how many people don't like their partner though. 400 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,599 Fucking hate them. Yeah if you're just so wild. 401 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:09,880 Which is so. Wild. 402 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,480 You know you guys don't. Have to be together, yeah, like, 403 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,839 didn't break up. Yeah, bring back breaking up. 404 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,920 Bring up Joe, what 2025 was the break up? 405 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,599 Yeah, too, especially for lesbians. 406 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,720 That was terrifying. Mental. 407 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,400 You held on. You held on. 408 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,599 Held on. Yeah. 409 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,520 You're not going anywhere. Yeah. 410 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,960 Don't look at me. Look at me. 411 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,920 Yeah. You're locked in. 412 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,120 And so your music journey has been one that like, obviously 413 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:36,320 I've been watching closely and talk about the power of Amy and 414 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,440 the power of manifesting. You did something pretty 415 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,000 incredible as well with Stevie Nicks. 416 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,080 I want you to tell, I want you to tell the audience about this 417 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,880 because it's such an insane story. 418 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,080 That was genuinely the best day of my life. 419 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,680 Every day is paled in comparison. 420 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,800 Except for this one. This is great, yeah. 421 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,280 You shouldn't have peaked so fast. 422 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,000 I really. Did though? 423 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,920 I really did. Yeah. 424 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,680 I've been a huge Stevie Nicks fan my entire life. 425 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,240 And it was announced she was doing this festival in London. 426 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,920 And I was like, I will be opening, I will be opening that 427 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:08,680 talk 100%. No, yeah, there's no doubt about 428 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,400 it. I will be doing that. 429 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,960 And then my manager was like, maybe not, maybe not, 430 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,320 considering you've not really done anything. 431 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,280 And I was like, yeah, yeah, I hear you loud and clear. 432 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,480 But I will be doing it and we will be emailing absolutely 433 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,640 everyone that we can. Understand your concern, but. 434 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. I get it. 435 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,640 No. Which is kind of the only time 436 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,400 I've ever really been like that, except for recently. 437 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,400 Now I can definitely walk into a room and I'm like, you either 438 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,600 like me or you don't. This is what I'm doing. 439 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,880 Yeah, but I definitely wasn't like that at this time, which 440 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:38,840 was only a year ago. Woo. 441 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,680 Gross. So good. 442 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,200 But yeah, we, I emailed everyone and no one applied, obviously, 443 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,720 because everyone was like, who the fuck is this final? 444 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,600 And then I was like kind of giving up. 445 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,400 But Beth McCarthy actually has a funny story about this. 446 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,800 But we were on tour and I kept walking into different buildings 447 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,160 and Fleetwood Mac would be playing and I would grab onto 448 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,240 Beth and I would be like, this is a sign like. 449 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,440 Truly believe in this by the. Way, yeah, I was like, this is a 450 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,520 sign. And then she was like, they're 451 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,000 the biggest fucking band in the world. 452 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:11,840 Like it's actually not a sign. I was like, no, it is. 453 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,880 And I found the booking agents Instagram, which is actually 454 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,200 terrible. Like don't do this. 455 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,800 Or maybe do yeah, maybe. Yeah, sorry girl, but I found 456 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,600 her Instagram and then I just sent her to voice note and I was 457 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,000 like, listen, I don't really have much to show for it right 458 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,400 now, but you can't do this show without me. 459 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,640 But you actually can't. Sounds a bit more like a threat 460 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,080 to be. Honest. 461 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:32,720 Yeah. And it was. 462 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,160 And it was they. Didn't want to know what would 463 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,160 have happened. I didn't get it exactly. 464 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,000 I guess we'll never know I. Guess we'll never know. 465 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,360 Yeah, but she was like, I'm so sorry that we don't have any 466 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:48,720 space. And I took that L and then she 467 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,480 messaged my manager and was like we can we found a space, she can 468 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,280 open the stage. They're like, really funny. 469 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,000 And conveniently, the other sport act just died. 470 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,560 Oh. My gosh. 471 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,480 Wait, was there someone else? It happened. 472 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,840 Wait. Well, no, I'm just. 473 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,720 Oh my gosh, She didn't know her own strength. 474 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,320 She didn't know her own strength. 475 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,920 When one supreme falls, another one rises. 476 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,400 Oh my gosh. So you need to, Oh my God, 477 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,840 really carefully the manifesting. 478 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,920 I've killed a man. You know what? 479 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,680 It was a man. Oh my gosh, I don't think so. 480 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,400 I think they just found the space and like squeeze me. 481 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,240 Out. They made it happen. 482 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,480 The universe made it happen. Yeah, insane. 483 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,480 And also your talent. But I've been thinking, instead 484 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,480 of Stevie Nicks for you because you're a lesbian, can we just 485 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,440 make your new stage name Stevie Nicks? 486 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,920 That is so good. That is so good. 487 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,200 Have. You not used that one yet. 488 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,360 Not yet, but that's definitely my tag name. 489 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,080 That's definitely my. Yeah, and I'll be Fleetwood 490 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,680 crack. Stevie licks Fleet with crack, 491 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,480 Yeah. That's like it happened, yeah 492 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,320 like sold, yeah, absolutely sold yeah, down for it I'm. 493 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,160 So into it. And so from your like, music 494 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,440 journey, I'm guessing Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks had a big 495 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,560 influence on you. You're also very theatrical with 496 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,200 your music as well. I mean, is there any like 497 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,880 musicals that you were growing up with where you were like, oh, 498 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,800 this is this is the type of shit that I want to do? 499 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,240 Or were you not like a theatre kid? 500 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,000 I. Wasn't Daily a theatre kid? 501 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,080 I was a theatre kid in terms of singing. 502 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,200 Like I would love to sing musical theatre songs but I 503 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,480 didn't really watch any theatre growing up. 504 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,720 But I was a huge fan of Glee. Fuck yeah. 505 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,800 So cultured Queen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 506 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,560 What's your favorite musical? Clearly. 507 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,480 Or burlesque with Christina Aguilera, but yeah. 508 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,560 Wagon Wheel Watusi. Wagon Wheel Watusi is actually 509 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,480 the best film of all time and I'm not even. 510 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,640 No, it's not even a joke. Do you know what I think? 511 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,360 My favorite? My like, like, best film of all 512 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:51,320 time. Go on 51st dates. 513 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:53,680 Is this the one we Drew Barrymore? 514 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:54,400 Yeah. Yeah. 515 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,240 Retweet. Yeah, yeah. 516 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,760 I'm sorry. I hate it when they're like, I'm 517 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,720 out something and they try and think of like the most like noir 518 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,280 film. I'm like. 519 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,720 Just get a grip. No one like that. 520 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,440 No one liked. But it's OK if you did. 521 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,280 But also like, don't lie. It's not OK if you did me Foba. 522 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,200 I love Glee. I one of my favorite films of 523 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,840 all time is This is 40. Have you ever seen that? 524 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,440 That's a fantastic. It's a brilliant film. 525 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,480 It's so good. And also just go with it. 526 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,280 Jennifer Aniston, another. Film. 527 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,960 Yeah, amazing thing. I could literally sit here right 528 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,840 now and just like reel off the entirety of the script. 100% 529 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,480 Don't get me wrong, like I love an artsy independent film, but 530 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,840 this is 40. Also bangs. 531 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,040 Yeah, yeah, they. Can both bang at the same time? 532 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,160 Exactly 2 things can be true at the same time. 533 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,120 But burlesque, amazing. I think that maybe we should 534 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,000 either do a lesbian version of burlesque. 535 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Brilliant, right? Which we're all, we're already 536 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,680 there in a way. Like Cher is so gay. 537 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,160 She's not only gay for the men, she's also gay for the women, 538 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,040 which I think it's amazing. Like we don't see that often. 539 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,840 No, I agree. We're we were actually having 540 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,200 this conversation at the pub the other day. 541 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,840 This is so serious. This is the fingers are out 542 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,320 pointing. We would actually have a 543 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,600 conversation about how there's so many straight women who are 544 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,880 like for the gay men and we were like, what straight women are 545 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,800 for the gays. And then I was like, oh, 546 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,160 obvious. Like Natasha Leon, Kate 547 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:18,520 Blanchett. Yes, but I'm yet to believe that 548 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,200 they are truly straight. Oh I love this. 549 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,160 I really I can't see it happening. 550 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,600 Can you see Natasha down second deck? 551 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,160 Sorry, Natasha. I don't know if I should answer 552 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,440 this. I just put it in your brain. 553 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,240 Yeah, I don't know if I should answer this, but you know what? 554 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,760 Sexuality is so fluid. There's time for the soul. 555 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:36,720 Except for me. I'm pretty sad. 556 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,760 I think so. All you can do whatever you 557 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,120 want, but I ain't. Saying anytime soon, don't send 558 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:43,720 lifetime, don't send me back to man. 559 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,440 I'll bite. I will bite. 560 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,800 Put me in the cage. So yeah. 561 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,480 But either that or I'm thinking Chicago is a lesbian. 562 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,680 Oh, yeah, Yeah. Lovely. 563 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,160 She had it coming. I've actually said this from the 564 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,880 beginning of time. They should do a pop girly 565 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,880 version of They had it Coming. Well, why don't you do it? 566 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,880 I didn't realize that was an option. 567 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,200 Well it is anything is an option. 568 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Oh wait, like cellblock tango? That would be so good as like a 569 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,800 lesbian version and then they all just like make out in the 570 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,840 prison because it's like Orange is the New Black, like mixed 571 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,440 with music. Why didn't they do a Chicago 572 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,760 episode of Orange is the New Black I. 573 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,680 Actually don't know, but you know what musical can also open 574 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,680 up someone right now who's like a major big time producer, 575 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,200 director, writer, he is listening to this and going. 576 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Fuck, they're killing it right now. 577 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,000 Yeah, there's smashing it there. There are so many ideas in here 578 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,560 I have, silly. We've got to change, like all of 579 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,600 this. Evening TM. 580 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:48,880 I always. I have a new invention every 581 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,560 single week. And I know that you're with Amy 582 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,880 and she's ADHD. Yeah, Yeah. 583 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,480 And how do you feel being a partner of somebody with ADHD? 584 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,200 It's like an addiction, isn't it? 585 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,320 How do? I feel about my partners ADHD. 586 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,200 I'm so glad you asked. No. 587 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,120 Do you know what I'm asking selfishly? 588 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,360 Because I'm like, how does this affect somebody else? 589 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,840 It really doesn't. I mean, it does in terms of 590 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,680 like, yeah, we're late everywhere. 591 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,400 So yeah, it affects us sometimes. 592 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,200 I was home today. Yeah. 593 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,120 I don't care. I don't care if other people are 594 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,360 late, but I'm. So I'd really care if I'm late. 595 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,160 Yeah. But I think Amy spoke about this 596 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,560 the last time she was on this podcast. 597 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,440 But I have OCD and she has ADHD, so in a weird way her ADHD is 598 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,200 kind of healing me. Oh wow, yeah, because I think 599 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,080 that if I'm 5 minutes late I will die and I'm going to be two 600 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,000 hours late and I better just make my peace with. 601 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,240 That so it's like exposure therapy. 602 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,200 Yeah, yeah, it's exposure therapy. 603 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,000 Do you know? What is really fucked up? 604 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,760 I have both. Babe, pick a struggle and 605 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,640 lesbianism. Oh my God. 606 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,120 Lesbianism is the main personality trait. 607 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,880 That's really rough though. It's rough. 608 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,440 What kind of OCD if you don't mind? 609 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,960 Me asking so I only recently figured out that I still have 610 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,240 OCDI thought that I kicked it back when I stopped washing my 611 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,280 hands like an absolute maniac and looking in the mirror 8 612 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,400 times every single time that I walked past it when I was a kid 613 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,680 right? So I thought, well, I've gotten 614 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,080 over it, but apparently it manifests in like, different 615 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,640 ways. So a lot of it comes down to 616 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,200 like, like decision paralysis. Wow. 617 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,440 Because I feel like if I make the wrong choice in, something 618 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,880 really bad is going to happen. Yeah. 619 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,040 And it's just like quite a few little things. 620 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,120 It's almost like. But I do also think that like 621 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:35,400 ADHD kind of like overlaps with home CD as well. 622 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,840 And I think that it's a way of trying to just control your 623 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,040 brain because the thoughts are just so hectic that it's like 624 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,480 giving you this illusion of control over something that 625 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,200 doesn't really exist. Absolutely. 626 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,200 Absolutely. And it is really, really hard. 627 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,680 I'm sorry that you have to deal with OCD because it is a fucking 628 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,680 nightmare. I definitely don't have it on 629 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,200 like an extreme scale anymore, but I remember the genuine fear 630 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,560 that I would have of like someone close to me dying, Yeah, 631 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,480 if I were, if I wasn't switching on and off that light switch. 632 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,920 Yeah, it's so, it's so bizarre because, you know, you can speak 633 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,320 to yourself and you can be like, this is completely irrational, 634 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,120 but if your body's like, no, the alarm's going off, it's really 635 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:17,400 hard to rationalize it. Yeah, I don't think I've ever 636 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,040 really spoken about it, to be fair, But it was definitely 637 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,400 something that really affected me. 638 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,840 Have you found that it's ever affected your music? 639 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,560 Like what you do at all? No, not necessarily. 640 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,520 But then also, yeah, because it affects me when I leave the 641 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,880 house every morning. So I guess so, but not in terms 642 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560 of the decisions that I make in terms of my career. 643 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,120 You're like, I actually have to put this word in the song. 644 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,040 Why? Yeah, yeah, it's game over. 645 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,920 Imagine. No, I'm very much like I. 646 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,160 I feel like mine is kind of link to always having to be perceived 647 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,960 as like good and always doing the right thing. 648 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,000 That's my 1:00 and if I do something bad I have to tell 649 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,080 everyone. Oh yeah, 100. 650 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,640 Percent. I'm telling everyone I know and. 651 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,720 Like, quite a few times. And I also have to, let's say it 652 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,840 several times. Yeah. 653 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember that bad thing I 654 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,280 did? Because I do, yeah. 655 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,320 Best believer I know. Put me on the news before 656 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,080 everyone finds out I'm. Going to jail, I don't know what 657 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,080 for, but I'm going. 100% yeah, 100%. 658 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,960 It's also like, I don't know why, but I used to be so into 659 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,040 true crime and. I was just really into crime. 660 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,760 Perhaps it was really into crime, but I used to be so into 661 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,240 true crime and this is, you know, so embarrassing. 662 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,640 But it did happen so and I bet it happens to somebody else as 663 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,760 well. So if I talk about it, it'll be 664 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,240 less. That's what I would always say, 665 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,840 always over. Explain Yeah, there's always 666 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,600 someone. There's always someone that's 667 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,120 like me too. But I used to be so into true 668 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,040 crime and I had to stop watching it because I would be so 669 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,600 convinced that I did it. Yeah, talk yourself into it. 670 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,400 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would be watching like a 671 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,320 crime documentary from like 1970. 672 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Bear in mind I was born in 1970, no? 673 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,680 I was born. Do you know what the lie should 674 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,280 keep on going. She's also 59 I. 675 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Was born in 1997, the year that Diana died. 676 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,520 The rest in peace. But I would like convince myself 677 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,200 that I committed the crime and it would be like the night. 678 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,680 Could have been you in another. Life. 679 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,480 How was that? Maybe that's why you felt that 680 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,600 way. You know what? 681 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,040 Don't, don't. I'd be the worst person that you 682 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,200 could be with if you had that. Be like, oh, you know what you 683 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,720 did Joking. No, but it is so rough because 684 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,280 you're like, wow, that was me. Yeah. 685 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,240 And and you can read some of the most heinous things especially. 686 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,840 But like, really. I mean, I found this flight. 687 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,800 You read about somebody doing like a really bad thing or like 688 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,520 thinking in a really bad way. And then I'm like, I think that 689 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,000 way, but. But I don't think that way. 690 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,400 Yeah. And now I'm convincing myself 691 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,440 that I think that way, but I know I really don't. 692 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,400 Yeah. It's really, really difficult 693 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,840 to. Yeah, to manage 'cause it's just 694 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,080 this internal battle. But The thing is, you couldn't 695 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,880 be a lesbian and an artist without some kind of struggle up 696 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,720 here. Because you're not. 697 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,200 Because you're not. You're neurotypical, aren't you? 698 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,520 QOCD for my artist career. Yeah, exactly. 699 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,120 But it's also when you do, when you do grow up and and you 700 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,840 develop all these, these different like I'll put it down 701 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,080 as like a quark good. Having something that is a 702 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,040 creative outlet is so important. And I do genuinely think that 703 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,200 that is why a lot of artists, you know, we like have mental 704 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640 struggles. And I think it's twofold. 705 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,560 I think that the mental struggles almost kind of like 706 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,360 influence, like the art itself. And then also just having that 707 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,720 like artistic creative brain. It's constantly having to come 708 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520 up with so many different things and so many different scenarios 709 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,720 and your brain just tries to categorise it. 710 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,040 And sadly, it always does it in a really fucking mean way, 711 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,680 actually. Absolutely. 712 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:42,560 But that makes. Perfect. 713 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Sense there, yeah, you can't make. 714 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,200 Perfect sense. And you've never been an artist. 715 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,520 That's like, I'm alright. Actually, I've got nothing. 716 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,200 No, not me. No, literally never won. 717 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,400 Yeah. No, never won. 718 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,440 Yeah. What we've got, we've got 719 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,440 anxiety as well. Me, yeah. 720 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,280 How do you know anxiety maybe. I don't actually think I do. 721 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,920 I don't think I do. But quite a lot of people in my 722 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,280 life are like, do you have ADHD? And I'm like, no, But so many 723 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,240 people have asked me that. I'm like, huh, Right. 724 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,880 And I get it with anxiety as well. 725 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:11,880 Yeah. Yeah. 726 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520 So I think I'm just, you know, showing times. 727 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,440 No, you're just fun. Do you think? 728 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,920 Yeah, and you got energy. Do you think that's what it is? 729 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,120 People just can't stand to see it. 730 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,920 Sure. Sure. 731 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,040 OK. Talk about struggles. 732 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:25,920 Yes. You know what? 733 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,360 I'm gonna ask you, don't you? I need to hear the story. 734 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,960 Oh, I know I have. I have to. 735 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,440 I have to, because you know how we always do lesbian horror 736 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,160 stories? But I thought, fuck me Katty is 737 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,640 the lesbian Horror Story with this one. 738 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,200 Yeah, this was a horror film, babe. 739 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,600 Yeah, this is yeah. Sorry that I that I'm smiling 740 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,000 while. Talking about No, we should. 741 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,360 Laugh. We should laugh also. 742 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,800 It's LED you to amazing things. An amazing part. 743 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,160 Yeah, but the rather did not happen. 744 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,280 But sure. Well, yeah. 745 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,640 But we all learned, don't we? And and it wasn't not like you 746 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,480 did anything wrong, but like, you know, we learned from 747 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,080 experiences and generally. Did. 748 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,200 You okay, right. Maybe we are getting into the 749 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,160 crime part then, But tell, tell everyone, tell the class what 750 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,160 you did. I actually remember having a 751 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,000 conversation with Beth McCarthy about this, but I told her what 752 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,000 I was doing and she was like, I was speaking to Frey and 753 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,680 Scarlett about this and we didn't really know each other at 754 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,040 the time. And then she was like, they were 755 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320 like, well, well, well, Missy, live and learn. 756 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,360 And I was like, how did they like, they don't know me. 757 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,600 This isn't going to happen to me. 758 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,080 And it did. It happened to me. 759 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,840 And it happened to you? Yeah, it happened to someone 760 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,280 again. Not now. 761 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,400 Listen up, but don't do it. But not to you, but to someone 762 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,520 else. It's going to happen and maybe 763 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,520 you can make people feel better that I've gone through similar 764 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,520 situations to this. Sure, let's give us the rundown 765 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,280 of what maybe inspired some interesting songs from you too. 766 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,880 Did you actually I'm trying to think of what songs it inspired 767 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,040 or or can you not even release? Them I don't a song called I 768 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,720 Dated a monster. Oh my God, yeah. 769 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,880 That was about someone. Now everybody knows that I dated 770 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,280 a monster. Yeah, it's a really good song. 771 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,080 Do you know what it's like? Oh, I'm going to struggle to 772 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,040 talk about it a little bit. OK, Just because not because of 773 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,160 I don't know, I feel like I got off lightly in this situation 774 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:32,120 because it hurt a lot of people. So I kind of want to cheat with 775 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,800 like a lot of grace if I can. No, not not the person who did 776 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,560 it. Like you can go fuck yourself, 777 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,360 but you know it, it hurt a lot of people. 778 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,800 So it kind of stopped being about me as soon as it happened. 779 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,920 I love saying really I Zito context. 780 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,800 Yeah, I did. I actually didn't know this. 781 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280 Yeah, like quite a lot of people were hurt in the process. 782 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,680 So yeah, I really want to treat with like, a lot of grace. 783 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,160 But you can give people the Cliff notes of the of the 784 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,000 situation. Right, so. 785 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,760 Who's tragic? Day one, I'm a stupid bitch. 786 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,360 I go on a date with this person and we have an incredible date. 787 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,679 We really, really do. And it's so funny and we get 788 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,320 really drunk and we're like, let's get tattoos. 789 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,040 We get tattoos on the first date. 790 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,840 Hilarious. I would do that again. 791 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,320 I'm so sorry. That's the one part of this 792 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,840 story that I would happily do again. 793 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,239 OK, hold on a minute. Where is it though? 794 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:28,719 This. Oh, I just covered it up. 795 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040 Yeah, I have a tattoo sleeve. It doesn't really matter if I 796 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,280 get a tattoo, but if you have 0 tattoos and that's on you bitch. 797 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,000 These are even sleeves. That's just your skin. 798 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520 Yeah, this is just my skin. Yeah. 799 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,920 So I thought that was hilarious, to be fair. 800 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,719 And I would do that again. And then we started dating and 801 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,560 we were dating for like 3 months and we were like, let's book a 802 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,199 Chapel in Vegas. It's like not even like the 803 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,920 engagement, it's quite literally physically booking the wedding. 804 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,560 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 805 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,080 What? Made you, it's just out of 806 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,600 interest. Do that, yeah. 807 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,520 Knock and roll. Yeah, fuck yeah. 808 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,000 Yeah, they don't rock and they don't roll like. 809 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,800 They don't knock and roll like they used to. 810 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,640 You've all got anxiety. Yeah. 811 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,160 Yeah. Well, I would do that again 812 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,000 because I was so short of it at the time. 813 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,400 I was genuinely so short of it. Yeah. 814 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,720 Also. Like no regrets honestly when 815 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,840 you do shit fuck it. Whatever it is, yeah, no shit at 816 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,920 all. Look at it, whatever. 817 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,320 But yeah, I was genuinely like, this is the one thing that I'm 818 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,560 maybe the most upset about is I genuinely, you know, love to 819 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,160 this person and I trusted this person and I wouldn't have done 820 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,480 any of this if I didn't see a future. 821 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,360 Yeah, and to be fair, you knew her really well. 822 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:45,840 All it takes is 3 months. Well, yes, but from what you. 823 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,480 Knew. From what I knew. 824 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,560 Loved. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 825 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,720 Absolutely. And then we booked the Chapel 826 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,680 and then she goes on holiday and then like stop speaking to me 827 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,120 when she's there and I'm a stupid bitch at this point. 828 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,680 What were you thinking when she stopped speaking to you? 829 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,760 And I was like, she's so busy, she's having a great time. 830 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,480 Where was she? I. 831 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:07,920 Don't know. Beats me. 832 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,280 Beats me. Yeah. 833 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,760 No, it's really quite embarrassing, but. 834 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,320 No, it's not. No, that's not embarrassing. 835 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,720 I mean, it is a little bit quite. 836 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,640 Literally fled the country, but it's still not embarrassing. 837 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,880 Well, but yeah, she went on holiday and then when she came 838 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,240 back, I literally like, walked back into the house and I was 839 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,040 like, right, OK, what happened then? 840 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,520 Because I felt it immediately. I just really felt it. 841 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,360 And then, yeah, she was like, you think I've cheated on you? 842 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,040 Like, how dare you? And oh fucking hell. 843 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,520 And I was like. So that's your problem. 844 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,480 But you know, like accusing someone of cheating on you is 845 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,320 such a horrible feeling. And I have such a like guilt 846 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,440 complex and like such a need and desire to be good that. 847 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,840 You felt bad I was asking. I felt horrendous. 848 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,120 I felt horrified by it. I was like, I've just accused 849 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,000 you of cheating on me. There's no way we're coming back 850 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,280 from this. There's absolutely no way we're 851 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,040 coming back from this. Whether you have or you haven't 852 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,680 felt horrendous. Then we broke up over tax. 853 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,800 Classic. Yeah, it was like 5 minutes 854 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,360 before I went on stage. I had a Katy Perry moment. 855 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,360 Joey Russell Brown breaks up with her, she puts her phone in 856 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,560 the bag and goes on stage. Famously I had that, but it was 857 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,280 150 people in Cardiff or whatever. 858 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,720 It counts. Fuck you. 859 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,720 Fuck you, You know what? Rock'n'roll again. 860 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,400 Yeah, Rock'n'roll, fuck me. But yeah, we broke up after that 861 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,200 and then I found out she was dating this 64 year old man that 862 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,120 she's known the entire time and. The entire time she knew him. 863 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,400 Oh yeah, and they were on that holiday together, Yeah. 864 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,640 Did he know that you two were together in that booked Chapel? 865 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,960 Yeah, I'm so entirely confused. Yeah. 866 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,200 Did he have money? OK, I won't ask that question. 867 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,320 We can. We can cut that out. 868 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,080 But do you know what I'm I'm so happy to talk about what 869 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,520 happened to me, but I feel like when it comes to talking about 870 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,960 them. There's no point in even talking 871 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,440 about it. It's not even that. 872 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,040 It's just, you know, they have their own dives right now and 873 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,880 this affected way more, way more than just me. 874 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,800 And I do want to. Let's talk about how it affected 875 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,120 you. So that's. 876 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,080 Fucking brutal, yeah, but it could be brilliant there. 877 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,120 Yeah. Yeah, I'm. 878 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,640 Here's the thing that obviously it was shit and it was awful and 879 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,640 for about a year I didn't even kiss anyone in the bar because I 880 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,720 was like, I didn't go fuck themselves, quite frankly. 881 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,640 Is that how you felt? I was going to ask, what was 882 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,960 your like visceral reaction to this? 883 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,080 Oh my, I like completely lost my naivety and my innocence and I 884 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,640 don't and it. Goes like that, doesn't it? 885 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,800 Yeah. 100% And I've been so privileged in my life where like 886 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,040 I haven't really had anyone close to me hurt me. 887 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640 And I feel like so many people grow up and they're like, my 888 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,080 parents are pieces of shit actually. 889 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,360 And you'd learn that very early on. 890 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,600 But I'd never really had that, just such a position of 891 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,040 privilege. But I'd grown up with everyone 892 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,120 being quite nice to me. So as soon as that happened, I 893 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,320 was like, oh, sometimes people are just evil and you have no 894 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,440 way of finding out. See, you're in the cute little 895 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,640 village in Wales, right? Skipping around. 896 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,200 Good morning. What does that accent? 897 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,160 Wales has zero depression. It's so. 898 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,600 Weird. They literally they do, don't 899 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,160 they? But yeah, it was, it was just 900 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,680 one of those situations where you know, all I felt like all 901 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,200 that I knew it kind of crumbled. It's like it's it's that moment 902 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,800 as well though, where you one mourn your naivety and also not 903 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,960 only you like fuck you for doing this to me one you lied to. 904 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,120 What the fuck? Thirdly, I'm annoyed that you've 905 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:46,600 taken what was mine, which was that, yeah, that naivety and and 906 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,800 you almost grieve. I feel like anyway, I might be 907 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,080 like projecting this onto you, but I'm saying like in genuine, 908 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,440 I think that this is what happens. 909 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,480 It's like you grieve who you were before that thing happened. 910 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,920 100% because. You're like, fuck, 100%. 911 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,080 I was so carefree. Yeah. 912 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,560 I was really loving life, absolutely. 913 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,720 But I do think that that can come back. 914 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,400 Like I do genuinely think that that love for life in a sense 915 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,160 like. And that optimism can come back 916 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,040 in certain ways, but it comes with a different nuance to the 917 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,720 way that you breach it. You're like, yeah, yeah, this is 918 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,760 good. I'm aware of what could go wrong 919 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,600 now, but absolutely. So like, I will still throw 920 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,960 myself into it because you're such a lover girl still, right? 921 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,000 So that's why I'm kind of then looking back at you, not even 922 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480 like kissing somebody afterwards where you just thinking, God, 923 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,240 there's no way that I'm going to allow somebody to do this to me 924 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,440 again. Yeah, that was absolutely it. 925 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,160 That was absolutely it. And I think, you know, there was 926 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,920 a out of me that was so deeply embarrassed by it. 927 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,360 I think at that time. And I was so self-conscious. 928 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,880 I think I was like, God, you've chosen of this other person over 929 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,760 me because I have nothing to offer you. 930 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,360 And yeah, that was such AI guess. 931 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,000 Like a little ego death. You know that is not the truth 932 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040 though. No, fuck you for that. 933 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,640 Genuinely fuck you, right? No, you are super hot, super 934 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440 talented. Yeah, that's very sweet. 935 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,200 But yeah, I think that was the main thing for me was that like, 936 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,520 I was so innocent and so loving, and then I just like, didn't 937 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,560 really believe that anymore. But I kind of do. 938 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,200 I kind of do. Yeah. 939 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,840 And I just like, sorry, this is like a personal question, but do 940 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,160 you find now that you're you're in a different relationship that 941 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,040 because I think that it's more confronting to heal when you're 942 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,880 with somebody else. How do you think that you have 943 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,240 like struggled, especially like at the beginning where you were 944 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,920 just like, like that panic sets over and you're like, God, do 945 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,040 you want to do the same to me? Oh yeah, 100%. 946 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,640 No matter how they're acting, yeah, it doesn't matter how the 947 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,600 other person is acting, but you're going to do. 948 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560 The same, yeah, 100%. But I think, you know, I really 949 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,800 kind of live my life that way. I'm maybe going to describe what 950 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,920 anxiety is right now just after saying that I didn't have it. 951 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:03,120 But you know, I really look at every situation that I'm in and 952 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,160 think like, what could go wrong in this situation and how would 953 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,880 I get out of it if it did, which I think is kind of Aussie. 954 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,400 Anyway, I also think it's survival. 955 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,000 Yeah, 100%. And I do. 956 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,160 I've always left my life in survival mode, I think. 957 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,840 Me too, Yeah. So I have that regardless of 958 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,480 what the situation is. Yeah, and you're like emotion 959 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,760 scanning and you're. Doing yeah, 100 percent, 100%, 960 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,160 but I've always done that. So that doesn't really feel 961 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,480 different to me. But I'm definitely finding, you 962 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,480 know, being in a relationship, I'm really having to confront 963 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,440 myself a lot and I'm error. I think, yeah, I'm having to be 964 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,160 like, you're actually not with the same person. 965 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,080 So you can't, you can't have that fear anymore because it's 966 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,240 unfair. Yeah, you're very emotionally 967 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:46,080 mature. I don't think so. 968 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,200 I don't think so until the disk. Track comes out, yeah, yeah. 969 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,520 But I think with them, we're now kind of bringing it back to 970 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,000 music, and obviously that inspired a great song. 971 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,640 Where do you, like, typically find your inspiration from in 972 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,600 music now? I can't. 973 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,840 Really write about things that haven't happened to me. 974 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,440 Yeah. So I do just kind of like look 975 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200 into my journal or I'm always melody first. 976 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,280 I always like melody 1st and then I'll tend to like, say 977 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,240 something. So it's very stream of 978 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,720 consciousness. Yeah, I'll say something and 979 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,880 then I'll be like, oh, this is about you being a fucking 980 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:20,600 wanker. Great Do. 981 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,160 You ever feel like it just kind of riffs off your tongue without 982 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,040 you even really thinking about? Yeah, so I do the same thing 983 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,080 where I like write friends songs on the spot so. 984 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,400 I love that. I love that. 985 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,200 And like Paul, Liver's been at the brunt of this quite a few 986 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,360 times. But I do usually say nice 987 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,600 things, don't I? I usually sing nice things, you 988 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,960 know when I do my songs on the spot. 989 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,320 Look at that. Abused to me no when you do. 990 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,800 Them for other people it's quite fun. 991 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,880 Sometimes mine are a bit. More No, they're not. 992 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:48,840 I have shit going, I have shit going on. 993 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:49,360 It's quite fun. It's. 994 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,160 Quite therapeutic actually. Yeah, I really love. 995 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,040 It yeah, you really like it, but you see how that stream of 996 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,960 consciousness just happens. I just kind of sit down and they 997 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,280 go, how do you do that? I said blacked out. 998 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,400 Love that. Like just blacked out. 999 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,680 Love that. I think that's being a 1000 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,760 songwriter though. I mean I I sang a song about our 1001 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,080 tits Brilliant and that is really inspirational. 1002 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,920 That is inspirational. There should be more songs about 1003 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,400 tits. I think Glee covers it wouldn't 1004 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:12,960 act. Yeah. 1005 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,160 Yes, this is Songbird. Landslide took me out. 1006 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,200 By the way. Glee don't don't mention the 1007 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,480 Wall. Yeah, first of all of Glee is 1008 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,920 don't mention Landslide. Yeah, literally. 1009 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,800 Oh no, what about if I die young? 1010 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,360 Yeah. See, I'd stopped watching at 1011 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,400 that time. Yeah. 1012 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,680 Yeah. Yeah. 1013 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,680 No, no, no, it's bad. No. 1014 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,160 No. Yeah. 1015 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:37,600 Sorry. Yeah. 1016 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,280 So that's in May. Yeah, yeah. 1017 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,760 So, well, we're releasing the first single in May and I need 1018 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,880 to go back to doing shows because I've only ever done 1019 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,000 shows with other people. I've only ever done 2 headline 1020 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,880 shows. I've never told I'm so excited. 1021 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,080 Yeah. So I really want to just get 1022 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,840 that going. Yeah, I mean, you are insane 1023 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,680 life. Like again, I'm going back to 1024 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,680 battering you up after making you relive your trauma. 1025 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,640 I feel like you're really great. Brilliant. 1026 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,760 No, you are amazing, amazing life like. 1027 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,480 Your vocals are like next level. Thank you. 1028 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,640 That's my only job. Yeah, this. 1029 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,400 Is what I got going on and and the barista job is gone. 1030 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,000 Yes, yeah, the barista job is. Gone Did you ever play your own 1031 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,800 music when you were working in? A no, but they would do that to 1032 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,160 me and just watch me crumble. Yeah. 1033 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,640 Yeah, they just watch me crumble. 1034 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000 But you know, this is really funny. 1035 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,960 But I'd live with one of the people that I used to work at 1036 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,800 the coffee shop with and it was coffee shop and a wine bar. 1037 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,920 And I thought I was like, play decent at it. 1038 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,440 I was like, I can make a coffee. I can, I'm charming, it'll be 1039 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,840 fine. I thought I was fine. 1040 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,760 I got the looks for it. I can make a coffee. 1041 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,200 It's in East London. They love me here. 1042 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,240 I have a tattoo sleeve. Come on, I can make a coffee. 1043 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:54,080 And then I live with this person who worked at the shop now, and 1044 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,960 we were talking about it the other day and they were like, 1045 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,600 Kat, you were so bad at that job. 1046 00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,600 Yeah, hold on. And I was like, hey, what? 1047 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,200 I thought I was great at it. I had all the tattoos and 1048 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,560 everything. Yeah, I know. 1049 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,560 It was a perfect East London barista because I had the tattoo 1050 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,560 slave and they're. Really snobby about their coffee 1051 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,760 in East London as. Well, yeah, like. 1052 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,040 Way more than the rest of London. 100 London is already 1053 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,880 bad but E is like yeah you're weighing shit. 100%, yeah. 1054 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,520 But yeah, they were like, you're really bad at it. 1055 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,640 So I quit that job fairly recently, but I thought that I 1056 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,960 could like go back if I had like. 1057 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,600 So you stopped your dream of being a barista because they 1058 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,000 told you that you were bad and you're like, well, I may as 1059 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,240 well, I have to do music now. If this stops going for me, I'm 1060 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,600 gonna have to take it seriously. No, do you know what? 1061 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,680 I actually quit because I had so many shifts that I just couldn't 1062 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,280 do yeah anymore because they were like, can you come in on 1063 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,120 Tuesday? And I'd be like, no, I'm on tour 1064 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,320 and. Which is also Rock'n'roll. 1065 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,560 Which is also, yeah, but also goes hand in hand with me being 1066 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,000 bad at it. Yeah, you know the. 1067 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,920 First of all, she just got fired. 1068 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,160 Yeah. First of all of working is you 1069 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,920 actually have to turn up and go there and I just wasn't doing 1070 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,400 that. But yeah, like you never. 1071 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,680 Turned up and even when you did it with. 1072 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,320 Shit, it was shit yeah, which is great, but yeah, I I did quit 1073 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,520 recently but you know, music is such a funny game that I'm 3 1074 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,840 quiet months from going back in so. 1075 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,200 Yeah, but I think, I mean you, we need more lesbian singers for 1076 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,000 a start. Actually, what's good that's 1077 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,360 come out of this is that they've just cleared the path for you 1078 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,320 quite openly. Yeah, brilliant. 1079 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,680 Yeah, I wish the path with with. Whoa whoa whoa, I wish the path 1080 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,640 on. Is this thing? 1081 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,240 Hello? I wish the path was cleared with 1082 00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:31,160 more money, that would be great. And also like, if the path just 1083 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,960 had more lesbians, you know what I mean? 1084 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,520 I feel like the I feel like the way that it works right now is 1085 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,240 that it's like, yeah, one dies and another one rises and 1086 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:44,000 doesn't make way for Katty. But I, I mean, look, I love it. 1087 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,720 And I've been a big fan of your music for so long, so I know 1088 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,160 that that is like destined to happen. 1089 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,640 Your manifestation skills are clearly fucking top notch. 1090 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,560 If you managed to open for Stevie Nicks on like literally A 1091 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,400 Hope and a Prayer, so I have no doubt that you will smash this 1092 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,160 I. Hope so. 1093 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:01,520 I hope so. I feel good about it Yeah, I am 1094 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,560 really delusional. I'm. 1095 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,800 No, no, delusion is great. Right but I'm sure like things 1096 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,920 will work out for me and I have 0 evidence to back it up but 1097 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,200 like whatever, fuck. It Oh no same. 1098 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,400 I say this all the time, like everything everything works out 1099 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,160 for. Me real, and because it has to. 1100 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,480 Because it has to. Yeah. 1101 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,280 And you know what it kind of like it has to, right? 1102 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,680 And it's like everything that I was ever worried about is like a 1103 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,200 very distant memory Now you know that is so true. 1104 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,480 And and so you just what? What's the fun and not being 1105 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,080 delusional. Real. 1106 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,240 Well, absolutely and. I actually wanted, I want to do 1107 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,320 an episode next time, which is all about like why? 1108 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,000 Because obviously lesbians are very, very in tune to 1109 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,320 spirituality and star signs by astrology. 1110 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,560 And I think the reason for that is because we've been shunned 1111 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,400 out religion. So it's like you've got 1112 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,400 something, I was thinking about this on the plane the other day. 1113 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,120 So you've got to have something that you believe in. 1114 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,360 And also because your your life is a lot tougher, a lot harder 1115 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,880 to have something that is like above you that is saying that 1116 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,240 like this is going to be OK. Also, your identity is so 1117 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,120 fucking mixed because everyone's telling you who you are and you 1118 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,080 don't know and you want to relate to your star sign and 1119 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,120 you're like, yeah, that's me and you belong to something. 1120 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,920 Absolutely. We've got a few things going on 1121 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,160 there. And I think that like. 1122 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,040 I think you're so right. But, but I do also believe, like 1123 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,000 manifestation is a real thing. And absolutely, you know, the 1124 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,560 reason why you want something so bad. 1125 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:27,640 Like Madonna famously said, if you want it, wait, you really 1126 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,080 got it. Yeah, If you want it, you've 1127 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,520 already got it. Yeah, absolutely. 1128 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,440 And so like, you want this so bad and like you're doing this 1129 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,120 and it's, it's going to work because you've already got it. 1130 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,280 Like there's like, absolutely. I think that's great. 1131 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,960 I fully believe that. I don't have. 1132 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,800 I do actually have plenty of lesbian horror stories, however, 1133 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,920 I wanted you to give some advice on something instead that 1134 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,880 somebody wrote. Okay, okay, not. 1135 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,720 Too long ago, and I feel like you're quite good to be in the 1136 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,800 position to do this. Okay, all right, after hearing 1137 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,960 about the absolute shit show of Chapel Gate. 1138 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,920 Yeah, don't worry. Yep, Yep. 1139 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,200 Talk about Chapel. Just really quickly, can we, can 1140 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,720 we really quickly touch in the whole chapel's security going 1141 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,560 for a child thing and what's your thoughts on it? 1142 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,320 My thoughts are let that bitch live. 1143 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,120 Let that fucking bitch live. Let that kid get kicked to the 1144 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,000 as far as I'm concerned. It is none of my business what 1145 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,440 that woman does in her spare time. 1146 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,960 It is none of my business what our hobbies are. 1147 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:24,760 Nothing. To do with. 1148 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,360 You just no. But The thing is like my brain 1149 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,880 just imagining like the security guards doing this and she's 1150 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,400 literally 2 steps behind him like. 1151 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:38,200 Ghetto dead like get her, get her. 1152 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,640 No, it sounds like everyone loves blaming a woman for 1153 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,040 something that a man did so fuck. 1154 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,640 Yeah, Oh my God. Something that like also men do 1155 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,440 all the fucking time, but it would never even make headline 1156 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,200 news. Got it, got it, got it. 1157 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,280 Because I've actually heard on many different occasions of some 1158 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,640 other high profile celebrities doing very similar things that 1159 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,040 are men. And the preserves? 1160 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,680 Believe it does not happen, does not make the part the tabloids. 1161 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,240 Yeah, yeah. So I want your advice. 1162 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,600 Oh, yeah. Oh, this isn't mine. 1163 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,720 Sounds like when I I want your. Advice. 1164 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,680 OK, OK, I'm so sorry in advance. This poor person. 1165 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,920 So he said she was really, really, really nice, this girl. 1166 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,760 And she messaged me saying I've listened to basically every 1167 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,680 episode twice and you've never covered what to do if your 1168 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,560 girlfriend doesn't want to give head. 1169 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,560 The silence is deafening. OK, OK. 1170 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,920 I'm sorry, obviously I don't want to do anything she doesn't 1171 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,240 want to do, but I wanted to see what you guys thought. 1172 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:38,760 Stroke what you do in my scenario because it's dawning on 1173 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,440 me that I might never give nor receive head ever again. 1174 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:50,160 I've asked why before. She finds it unhygienic and 1175 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,520 doesn't really enjoy receiving either for the same reason. 1176 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,080 I've just not met anyone in the same scenario. 1177 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,320 My friends really don't know how to advise because the Bible's 1178 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,400 like wow wow sucks for you. Advice or your thoughts 1179 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,960 appreciated. Babe, I've got nothing. 1180 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,840 I've got nothing to fresh out. Fucking ideas for once. 1181 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,920 I've got nothing to say. We shut her up. 1182 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,400 You silenced me. Do you know what? 1183 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,880 That's actually so difficult. No, it is. 1184 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,680 I think it wasn't a conversation. 1185 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,360 I would immediately be like, hey, you don't want to do this 1186 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,200 thing and you don't like giving or receiving it, but then just 1187 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,720 giving her a decent, it's like it feels unhygienic. 1188 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,120 So I guess you have to ask yourself like can I be in this 1189 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,120 relationship without giving or deceiving head? 1190 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,280 My answer would be no. Your answer is whatever you 1191 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,240 want. No, literally I'm like, I'm out 1192 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,680 of here. Yeah, my advice for everyone is 1193 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,760 bringing back breaking up, Yeah. We're bringing it back to 1194 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,480 breaking up. Yeah, yeah. 1195 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,640 Yeah, except for me, Amy. She. 1196 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,360 Doesn't want to say. Yeah, Amy, not you, babe. 1197 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,520 Amy, turn it off. No, I think, I think it's one of 1198 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,320 those things, right? There's two, three OK, three 1199 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,160 different scenarios. I would say, OK, and I want to 1200 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,080 see if you agree. OK, Scenario number one, have 1201 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,760 like a conversation more so maybe about why she finds it 1202 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,600 unhygienic. Because I do also think that 1203 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,480 like this isn't this other woman's problem per SE. 1204 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,320 I think that she's been fed so much misinformation. 1205 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,840 Like, do you remember when you were at school and they were 1206 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,440 like, oh, fishy. 100% yeah, that's, yeah, that's such a good 1207 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,680 point. Women are seen, like, women are 1208 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,080 seen to be unclean, right? So that could be one thing. 1209 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,200 So maybe it's something that like, she needs to work on 1210 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,200 because also the fact that it even stops her from receiving it 1211 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,000 as well, She's just very uncomfortable with, like, 1212 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,280 anything related to that. And that's like, a real shame 1213 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,600 and like, you should live out honey and get eaten out. 1214 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,240 Yeah, what was what was the slogan in COVID? 1215 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,480 It was like eat out to help out. Exactly. 1216 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,920 Yeah, exactly. Drop the COVID and bring it 1217 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,720 back. Bring back eat out to help out 1218 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:48,840 just minus COVID. And then secondly, yeah, it's 1219 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,720 like maybe we, you know, you need to see if you can just like 1220 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,400 get stay in this relationship without receiving and giving 1221 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,800 head. And maybe it's not like the deal 1222 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,480 breaker because there could be so many amazing things about 1223 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,600 this person and love is so powerful. 1224 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,480 So like, I think The thing is for me is that like if I was 1225 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,240 like so deeply in love with someone, then it's like, I 1226 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:11,280 don't, I don't know, it's difficult because, you know, 1227 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,240 it's a really tricky 1. And thirdly, dump the bitch. 1228 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,920 All three great options. Thirdly, thirdly, like break up 1229 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,200 if you're not, if you're not feeling like that's something 1230 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,560 that you feel like you want to compromise on, which is also 1231 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,240 like so fine too. I think that it's such like a, 1232 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,200 it probably isn't as nuanced as she thinks it is. 1233 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,520 I have a feeling that this probably happens quite a lot in 1234 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,440 like different relationships so. You know, it's, it's an income, 1235 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,560 it's an incompatibility. And I think you have to speak 1236 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,920 about those and be like, is this something that we, is this 1237 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,080 something that can change? Yeah. 1238 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,640 Is this something that can change, or is it something that 1239 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,320 I can do without or something that you can do without? 1240 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,200 Yeah, because also the compromise can work on both 1241 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,200 ends. Yeah, she might want to have a 1242 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,200 bit of therapy for the unhygienic. 1243 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,720 Yeah, but also vaginas. Vaginophobic. 1244 00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,720 Vaginophobic. Bless. 1245 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,200 This is actually such a difficult, that's such a 1246 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,440 difficult place. To believe how I've put like the 1247 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,080 the person who has OCD, the feeling like being a bad person 1248 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,120 I've. Given you now I've given you bad 1249 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,760 advice and you've broken up because of me. 1250 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,040 I promise you, Kathy, everything is going. 1251 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:18,760 Fine. Yeah, cool. 1252 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,600 Everything and this isn't your fault. 1253 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,200 OK, great. None of this is your fault. 1254 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,280 Great and like also take she. Doesn't want to eat you out 1255 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,560 because of me. Yeah, you know what? 1256 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:28,840 It's all your fault. Brilliant. 1257 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,400 Maybe that'll make her feel better. 1258 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blame me. 1259 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,400 Yeah, literally. I'm happy to be the brand of 1260 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,720 like any blame because I've already blamed myself when 1261 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,760 things are happening and like I see people that I love, like 1262 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,080 struggling and things that happened, I'm like, Oh my God, 1263 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,720 blame me. Let let people just blame me. 1264 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:52,680 Let them, let them, let them, let them blame me because it's 1265 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,160 definitely my fault. Hate this for us. 1266 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:57,920 That's definitely how my brain works. 1267 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,680 You know what? You make it work in so many 1268 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:01,720 beautiful ways. There we go. 1269 00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:03,520 I love that you too, baby. Yeah, yeah. 1270 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,320 And is there anything else that you want to tell the lesbians 1271 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,000 before your departure off this sofa? 1272 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,000 Keep being lesbians. Yeah. 1273 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,320 Keep it going. Keep it going. 1274 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,960 Keep the agenda strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1275 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,080 You're doing great, sweetie. Yeah, you're doing great. 1276 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:17,520 There's loads of us now, isn't there? 1277 00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:19,320 There is actually quite a few. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1278 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:20,360 I love it. Yeah, yeah. 1279 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,440 Nice accent, this one. Yeah. 1280 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,840 My deal. Trying that one on for size. 1281 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,680 I keep getting that everyone's like, what is headier accent? 1282 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,120 I don't fucking know. It's none of my business. 1283 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,040 You don't know whatever the fuck that accent, Yeah, it's none of 1284 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,400 your. Business. 1285 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,720 It's none of my business. No, neither does anything else. 1286 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,080 No, I'm really gutted that I can't do a Welsh accent, 1287 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,320 considering that I'm Welsh. Yeah, Evans, I guess who that 1288 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,000 came from. Yeah, Wales for sure, but I 1289 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,600 guess your accent is Welsh. That's. 1290 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,800 Not how it what? That's not how it was. 1291 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,320 Did you just gas like my accent? That's. 1292 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:49,800 Actually not how it was literally the most 1293 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,880 quintessentially British person sat here right now and you're 1294 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,440 like, well, that's that's. But I was like, if you're Welsh 1295 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,600 then your accent is. Oh, I love that, right? 1296 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,800 It's very inclusive, sure. Thank you. 1297 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,000 But yeah, sorry. So carry on. 1298 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,560 What can the lesbians look forward to, and is there 1299 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:05,680 anything else that you'd like to say? 1300 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,120 I've got nothing left. Just just keep being done. 1301 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,440 Just. Keep being lesbians. 1302 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Fantastic. 1303 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,920 Unless, of course, you're not one because you aren't allowed 1304 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,680 to change your mind. Yeah, sexuality is. 1305 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:23,360 Sexuality is fluid. That's all from me, folks. 1306 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,000 Cassie, I love you. I love you so much. 1307 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,600 I love you so much. I love you so much, and I'm so 1308 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,520 glad that I finally got you in quite literally the hot seat. 1309 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,280 I know that I had to cover like 20 different topics with you, 1310 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,720 but it's because I was so excited though, I loved it, and 1311 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,280 because the law has just continued to law since I wanted 1312 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,760 to get you on. So there's just so many 1313 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,880 different things. Yeah, I'm pretty. 1314 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,080 I have different normal law. I think I've lured I. 1315 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,080 Think you've lured her your last law? 1316 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,640 Absolutely. Then also, if you are going to 1317 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,480 go down like the Stevie Licks through, there's got to be a 1318 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,160 few. Oh my God, we're gonna be like 1319 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,000 together, eyes to eyes, Guitar Silver Springs. 1320 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,920 Brilliant, brilliant. We have to start a feud between 1321 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,160 us. Let's do it. 1322 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,560 Let's do it. Let's do it. 1323 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,720 Wait until you see the edit of this. 1324 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,760 It was my fault. You did something, yeah. 1325 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,840 Literally we're there, we do like 1 mean look at each other 1326 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,000 and just go I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. 1327 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,360 I'm so sorry. That was on me. 1328 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,640 You were great. Just wait until you see that I 1329 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,480 have like I've edited this episode and it's just you just 1330 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,680 saying like close are pretty horrible things like fucking 1331 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:31,720 kids. Like I might just do an edit 1332 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,240 just for you. Oh no. 1333 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,480 It's. Explosion Therapy, Katie. 1334 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,280 Oh, that anxiety, it's. Not doing great. 1335 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,560 All right, all right. Brilliant. 1336 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,440 Katie, I love you so much. I love you so much. 1337 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,760 Tell the lesbians where they can find you. 1338 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,320 They can find me on the Internet. 1339 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,280 You can find me on the Internet. It's Katie dot MP3 or Katie dot 1340 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,680 MP4. Amazing you're gonna give them 1341 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,200 in your address as well. Yeah, sure. 1342 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,240 No, I thank you so much for coming on. 1343 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,080 You're amazing. I cannot wait to hear what 1344 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,800 you've got coming out and see you on the stage and what this 1345 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,920 manifestation is going to bring you next and obviously your 1346 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,000 talent. But thank you and lesbians. 1347 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,400 We love you too. And we will speak to you next 1348 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,960 week. Say goodbye to the. 1349 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,240 Lesbians. Bye lesbians.