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Hello lesbians. 
Hello lesbians, how are you? 

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Lesbians. 
We have on an amazing guest 

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today, CEO and Co founder of 
injectual, my favorite place on 

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earth, what I also call heaven, 
what I also call corrections, 

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what I also call my second home.
I usually go to injectual on 

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Westborn Grove and you guys have
seen me go there many, many 

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times over the past three years.
Me too. 

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We've. 
Got Joelle in the seat. 

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So I have been dying to get you 
on Joelle for quite a while now,

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mainly because of so many 
reasons. 

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First of all, you are one of the
biggest Divas that I've ever met

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in my life. 
It's like watching an episode of

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Real Housewives whenever I see 
you. 

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Like I, I feel like somebody 
needs to have a camera around 

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you at all times just to kind of
capture the way in which you 

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are. 
Like, I think that your 

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character is so phenomenal and 
very like enigmatic. 

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I remember thinking that the 
first time that I ever met you 

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in injectual, I was like, who is
this? 

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She's the best. 
I looked over at Scarlett, like,

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who is she? 
And then we were like, yeah, and

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she's hot. 
And we're like, I know. 

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That's why we just kept coming 
back, too. 

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Well, to see you again and I'm 
never there. 

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Basically, and to also talk 
about your experience as well. 

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I mean, we often advocate for 
rights of trans in our community

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because it's an area in which I 
felt always gets overlooked. 

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And I, I feel like whenever 
anything happens within the 

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LGBTQ plus community that is to 
do with hate, they will always 

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go for the minority within the 
minority first. 

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And unfortunately that is trans 
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And so we try and say as much as
we can, but obviously this is 

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not a lived experience for me 
nor Scarlett. 

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So that's why I'd love to have 
you on to kind of talk about 

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your journey as well as a trans 
woman and a beautiful one at 

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that. 
And, and to kind of for me as 

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well to understand and, and for 
everybody else who's listening, 

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because I do think that it's one
of those things where you can be

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as clued up as possible. 
And I always say to everybody, 

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educate yourself. 
Like don't expect somebody who's

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going through something to 
educate you, but I find it also 

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just intriguing because of the 
person that you are. 

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But at the same time, you know, 
like, I also do think it's like 

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sometimes our job to also just 
educate people, you know what I 

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mean? 
Like, and also like I say that 

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to everyone, like ask questions,
like even like at injectable, 

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you know, we, we have a lot of 
like people that work at 

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injectable that are trans. 
And I don't expect every staff 

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or every person that walks into 
injector to get it right every 

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single time. 
You know, we're, we're all 

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human. 
And I'm always like, you know, 

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ask me questions, ask other 
staff questions because we, you 

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know, we're here to, you know, 
we're here to help each other at

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the end of the day, right? 
And like, yes, it's obviously 

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everybody's job to educate 
themselves. 

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I also feel like sometimes, you 
know, and you learn best some 

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people that are, you know, 
closest around you, right. 

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Yeah. 
So, so yeah, I always, I'm like,

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you know, I'm very empathetic of
like people like, you know, 

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don't worry too much, you know, 
because I sometimes see people 

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like stressing out and I'm like,
you know, it's all good. 

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You ever feel like fucking with 
them? 

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Yeah. 
Well, sometimes you know, but 

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but you know, I like, I think 
always with things like that is 

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if the intention is good and you
notice that very quickly, right,

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If the intention is like pure 
and good. 

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Yeah, definitely. 
You just, you know, throw people

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a bone as well, right? 
So. 

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You can always tell when it's so
loaded. 

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Like when somebody is having a 
loaded question, you're like, 

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OK, you're not actually asking a
question. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, you're trying to be a 

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bitch. 
Basically, yeah, yeah. 

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I don't know exactly. 
And so just before we get into 

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everything that you've done with
injectual and our transjectuals 

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as well, I want to know a little
bit more about you. 

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I mean, and your journey, was it
from a very early age that you 

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realized that you were in the 
wrong body? 

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Or well, so I mean, look, I 
always tell the same story. 

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It's basically like I because 
it's literally my first memory, 

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which I have it's when I was 
like 6 or 7 years old, I had to 

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write an essay in school. 
And it's like the literally the 

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probably like the first essays 
you, you ever write. 

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It was like the end of the year 
and the essay was like, what do 

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you want to be when you grow up?
And we, we, you know, we gave it

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and then two or three weeks 
later we got the results back. 

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And like, I remember physically 
the teacher is like, OK, so 

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everybody did really well. 
But I want Joelle, obviously my 

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previous name, he did a really 
good job. 

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And I want him to say in front 
of the class because he got an 

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11 out of 10. 
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And it wasn't like an all boys 
school, by the way. 

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And so I literally, and I 
remember it was like so scared 

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to say it. 
And I literally went and I 

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literally was like, no, no, I 
don't want to. 

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And like she was like, no, no, 
no. 

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It was like it was an incredible
essay. 

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I want you to say it in front of
a class, but it wasn't, it 

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didn't even feel malicious or 
something from her for some 

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reason. 
Like I vividly remember her just

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being like, oh, I think it's a 
gorgeous essay. 

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I want I want him to say it in 
front of the class. 

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Yeah, like, of course it's 
great. 

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Yeah. 
No, but I was like, OK, so I go 

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in front of class and my essay 
was actually like, when I grow 

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up, I want to be a girl. 
And I was like this entire essay

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saying like, you know, how, how 
I I've always dreamed about 

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being a girl and want to, you 
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And I don't know, like the exact
of it. 

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But it was just like, I remember
being so ashamed to say it 

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because I I really meant it. 
And it was apparently a great 

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essay because it was an 11 out 
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But yeah. 
And it but The funny thing about

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it all was that it wasn't like 
nobody made an issue about it. 

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That's what I was going to ask. 
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Literally all the voices just 
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It was the weirdest thing 
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It was just like up until. 
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of primary school. 
Six years old, you said? 

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6-6 or seven, yeah. 
And then it wasn't until two 

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years later when the school 
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still remembered it from two 
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build me with it because there 
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All of a sudden it was the 
weirdest dilemmic. 

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But you know, it's like, I don't
know something very strange 

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about it. 
You know about like, I don't 

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know, conditioning and stuff 
with children, but. 

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Start to try and show off as 
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It's like this like macho thing 
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In exactly. 
As they see the girls there. 

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I think actually from it was 
only when, you know, I started 

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to get bullied for it two years 
later that I really felt ashamed

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about even having those 
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And I really was like, OK, this 
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this. 
I shouldn't be feeling this. 

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And then it wasn't actually 
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person, like in real life that, 
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sort of like references I had to
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you know, to something other 
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know, in the media, you know, 
drag Queens or like, or, or like

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transsexual hookers in movies. 
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Like this, very like this. 
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Was going to say there was never
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No. 
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bad for lesbians, it was way 
worse, yeah. 

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Oh, my God. 
You know, remember in France 

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when they would be like, you 
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say about. 
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Oh yeah, Chandler's mum was it. 
Yeah, that as well. 

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But also like, you know, the, I 
mean, they say so many offensive

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things about transsexuals and 
all these things. 

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So it wasn't until I actually 
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Oh, were you at this point? 
So this must so this was 18. 

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Then I was like, OK, this is a 
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wasn't, that was the first time 
I met someone. 

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I was like, OK, this is a real 
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But it wasn't until then. 
So I lived in in New York when I

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was 18 and I moved to Amsterdam 
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And that's where I actually met 
a friend who went through the 

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entire process and she was 
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really traumatic experience for 
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But she because she literally 
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when she actually came out to 
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And they, I mean, it was awful. 
She had like a long hair at the 

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time in her dad. 
She like shaved her head off and

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stuff. 
And it was an awful experience. 

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This is not my story to tell. 
And like, you know, but like, it

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was awful experience. 
She's and. 

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Story of many. 
That was yeah. 

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And then two years later where 
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to like, because she has a 
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that she actually started making
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to, like, actually like, get out
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And I think her parents even 
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felt, you know, she felt 
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come out and, like, not care 
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And seeing her go through that 
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And also just like this was, you
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person's heart and soul was a 
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Like there was just no denying 
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And just like seeing her go 
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just I was like thinking like, 
OK, I am not crazy for thinking,

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you know what I mean? 
Like, you know, there's this 

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process obviously in the this is
real. 

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This is not like, you know, but 
even then I was like, still 

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thinking that there's just like 
something mentally not right 

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with me, you know? 
So, yeah, there was a long 

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process that in Amsterdam that I
was, like, very confused about 

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everything, you know, started 
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Well, I was always very 
feminine, but that's when I 

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literally, like, started to grow
my hair out wearing like, really

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heavy makeup all the time. 
Got lip filler actually, which 

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is very generous for me and 
didn't look great by the way, 

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but you know at the time. 
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It's still adjusting the top 
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I mean awful. 
What happened to the bottom lip?

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The bottom lip you just did not 
touch. 

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I was like, it's all on the top 
lip. 

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But you know, this is like, this
is almost 50. 

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How many? 
No, I'm going to show you a 

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couple of years ago. 
No, but I was. 

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Three, yeah. 
You know, this is literally like

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almost like 1415 years ago. 
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So this is like even filler and 
stuff as and ministers 

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differently and like all and you
know, also just like trans 

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rights and everything. 
The trans movement was 

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completely different, you know, 
So it was just a really 

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confusing period where I sort of
like without at night where 

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everybody would call me She. 
How did that feel like the first

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time that somebody called you 
she without you was asking for? 

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It like, I literally was like, 
yeah, but that's also like, 

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because at night I like 
obviously wore like full heavy 

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makeup. 
They think Madonna has just 

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turned. 
Up. 

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Well, honey, it was not Madonna 
at the time. 

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It was my version of Madonna, 
but it was not Madonna at the 

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time, I can tell you that. 
But, you know, she was giving 

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something. 
But you know, I really felt so, 

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you know, you know, I was like, 
I felt just like amazing that 

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that was also the the issue then
I only would like be happy at 

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night and going out because 
that's when people would call me

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she and like, I just would feel,
you know, very happy with 

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myself. 
But but yeah. 

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And it wasn't until I went on a 
wedding trip with my parents and

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my family after, like, living 
this life for like 3 or 4 years 

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in Amsterdam and being forced to
wear a suit. 

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Yeah, like forced to wear a 
suit. 

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And I was like doing the bride's
makeup because I was doing some 

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makeup at that time. 
And so, yeah, I was just like, 

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so traumatic because like, I was
always just like, wearing, to be

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honest, like shit like this, you
know, like black things, flowy 

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gowns and you know what I mean? 
Like all these, the furs and you

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know what I mean? 
Like, all these things. 

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And like, yeah, it was just 
like, such a traumatic 

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experience being, like, forced 
in his suits. 

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And like, you know, it's like, 
oh, you see, you're a boy. 

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Babe I even hated that as a 
little lesbian. 

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Like if they put me in a dress I
was like the opposite way. 

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I was like get this on you can 
change. 

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But it was like so traumatic 
that. 

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Even that was bad, and not even 
as a trans. 

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Person you know, no, I mean, you
know, like it's so like so 

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stupid. 
I remember we were at on the 

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desk where it was like 1:00 AM 
or something. 

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I just felt, I felt so 
triggered. 

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I was like drinking so heavily 
that MIT the wedding party, I 

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went into my hotel room and just
came back with a dress on. 

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Yeah, I was like, and then I 
actually made out with a lot of 

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boys, so I was like, whatever. 
When is it? 

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When? 
Yeah, but that basically my 

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parents obviously was there, my 
sister and like the next day my 

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parents just sat me down and 
they were like, what is going on

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here? 
My parents literally growing up 

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they weren't like, you know, now
have a good relationship with 

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them, but growing up they were 
like especially my dad was very,

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very strict on me. 
Always wanted me to play 

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football, always wanted me to be
like the boys boy, the guys guy 

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and like, you know what I mean? 
I like I would always rebellious

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because I was always like, I I 
want to go play theatre. 

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I want to like, you know, I want
to play with the girls. 

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Like I was there was just 
nothing masculine about, you 

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know, or like mad about me. 
So I was like, you know, I never

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had any any sort of like no 
desire. 

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But also I never got close to 
him because it was whatever I 

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would say would always force me 
into this role or be 

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disappointed that I was not more
masculine or like, more like, 

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you know, like a real boy. 
But, you know, but he was him 

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actually, like sitting me down 
and being like, OK, what is 

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going on here? 
Because this is like, you can. 

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And obviously you could see that
I was struggling, you know what 

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I mean? 
Like, I was just not happy. 

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He was like, yeah, everybody 
kept asking us like, is, is he 

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or she trans? 
Like is, you know, what's going 

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on here? 
And he was him actually just 

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asking that. 
And I was like that, you know, I

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never expected that. 
And I was like, oh, I don't 

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know, you know, And he was like,
they're both doctors by parents.

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And they were like, yeah, if, if
you are trans and if something 

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is going on here, we will get 
you all the help you want. 

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We will, We will, we will get 
you to a gender specialist. 

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And we, you know, to be maybe 
you can talk to someone, but, 

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you know, something, something 
needs to change, right? 

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And I was like, it was actually 
just such, I think that 

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actually, in a weird way, it 
really saved my life because, 

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like, I was in such a path of 
self destruction that, you know,

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then he literally like drove me 
to my first gender specialist 

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appointment at the gender team 
in Belgium on the way back after

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speaking to that that specialist
for like half an hour. 

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He literally was like, yeah, 
what are we doing here? 

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You know, like any. 
And I was like, yeah, my parents

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will never accept me. 
And I was like, and he was like,

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try them, you know, you never 
know what happens. 

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And then on the way back, I told
my dad I was like, I think I'm 

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trans. 
And nearly she was like I've 

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always known. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, I've always known. 
Still try to make you play 

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football though, but don't worry
about it. 

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That's but that's why I was so 
hard on you. 

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But I think I've always known. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And they think, yeah, but since 
that moment, he's treated me 

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like his daughter, which, you 
know, I had some resentments and

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stuff for him. 
But like, I can't help, you 

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know, it's, it's so beautiful. 
That's amazing. 

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I think maybe in a way though, 
it probably if is he quite a 

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black and white thinker. 
Yeah, this is one thing. 

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This is one thing. 
Yeah, he's also a bit on the 

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spectrum. 
Yeah, for sure. 

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So this is like my dad, OK, So 
my dad, when I came out as only 

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being in love with like one 
girl, he was like, don't get it?

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Why would you do that? 
Like, do you know what I mean? 

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He was very much. 
But then once I came out as gay,

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he was like cool. 
Like he didn't, he didn't care. 

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So The thing is, probably with 
your dad, he got it probably 

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made sense for him that you were
a woman. 

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Well then that makes sense 
rather than being a man or a boy

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that doesn't fit into the male 
stereotype of what he believes 

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that you should do and get up to
you. 

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Yeah, yeah, it's. 
Really interesting. 

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So interesting. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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No. 
And like, you know, ever since 

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then, I gave a proper 
relationship with him before I 

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had I, I didn't, you know, he 
can feel also when the, when 

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somebody wants to build a 
collection with you, but you 

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know that there's resemblance 
from both, both, you know, 

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sides. 
So it was just like never 

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working. 
And now, you know, I, I love him

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to bits. 
That's great. 

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I. 
Love that that was. 

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How did that feel for you when 
he responded in that way? 

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Oh, I never ever expected it. 
Like Lichi. 

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Never. 
No, honestly, like for the 

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longest time I really got like, 
I cannot talk about it, but for 

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the longest time I would always 
start crying. 

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Never expected it. 
And like even from my full 

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family, but especially my dad. 
But it's the sweetest thing. 

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It's like the moment I came out 
and, you know, I told him that 

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even like when I have to hang 
something up in my apartment, 

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he'll he'll literally almost 
could travel back from Belgium 

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to London to like, you know what
I mean, to start like drilling 

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something in my wall And it's so
sweet. 

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But like that's, you know, 
that's things that he would 

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never obviously used to do. 
And literally from that moment, 

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it was literally black and 
white. 

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It was like, OK, you're my 
daughter now. 

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Amazing. 
Yeah, he just made more sense in

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his head. 
Way more, but everything was 

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more sense since that moment. 
I have a relationship with my 

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dad. 
I have a I always had a nice 

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relationship with my mom, but 
obviously we got even closer. 

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Ever since that I have a 
relationship with my sister. 

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Like, because before that I 
didn't, I, I from my side didn't

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have a relationship with my 
sister. 

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We had a relationship obviously 
growing up and stuff, but then 

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during puberty we really got 
completely different ways, sort 

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of like, yeah, just. 
Were you more of like the party 

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child and or was? 
It, it was just like, I just 

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didn't feel at home at home, you
know, Like literally I was like,

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I remember always sitting at the
dinner table and just like 

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dreading it because my sister 
and my dad would be like the, 

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the big talkers. 
I would always just be sitting 

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there. 
Like, I feel like I didn't fit 

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in. 
And my my sister and my dad are 

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very alike. 
And also growing up, she would 

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always be like, oh, you know, 
why can't you be more like the 

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other boys? 
And I was like, yeah, I always 

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went into her room and stole her
makeup and stuff. 

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Even though she's not really 
like, a girly girl. 

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Every day before school I was 
like put on some concealer, like

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mascara. 
You're ahead of your time, 

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honestly, at this point. 
And I think I think it's an 

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amazing thing to do and to 
discover, though, when you had 

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no representation, like you had 
nothing to to look for. 

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And obviously, yes, there are 
drag Queens, but drag Queens 

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aren't the same as trans women 
either. 

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That's not like a lived, you 
know, experience, just like 

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different, you know, it's 
costume. 

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It's not. 
Oh my God. 

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And I remember even growing up 
and sometimes even, like, I 

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don't know what it was, but 
like, sometimes even a bit 

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scared of drag Queens, I was 
like, because they're just like,

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so much, you know? 
But I like, obviously it must 

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also just be like, internal, 
yeah. 

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Transphobia. 
I hated lesbians. 

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Well, exactly. 
You know what is Ellen DeGeneres

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doing on TV? 
Get her off. 

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Get her off. 
I remember like making a comment

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to my mum about Lindsay Lohan 
because this is when she was. 

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Seeing. 
Oh yes, Sam. 

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Yeah, and I was like lesbian, I 
think I was honestly, you try, 

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you try and pray away so much 
that you just go, I think the 

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complete other way. 
And like I'm so glad that you 

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managed to kind of find your 
path and within the time that 

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you did and before it got to 
much more dangerous level as 

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well. 
Oh yeah. 

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That happens to so many people. 
For sure. 

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Yeah, no, no, I mean, I was 
really on a pad of self 

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destruction before it and I I 
think obviously that wedding 

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really needed to happen. 
Yeah. 

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And it would happen probably 
like it's a just around the 

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right through the right time. 
These things were getting really

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DVD Talk, you know, just like, 
yeah, just was really, really 

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unhappy, but. 
I know, yeah. 

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I mean, I'm so glad that they 
forced you in that suit at the 

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end of the day. 
I mean, it made you rebel in the

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best way. 
I. 

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Know it was traumatic at the 
time, but you know. 

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Here we are. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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So as soon as you came out, then
to your parents, did you think, 

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OK, I want to get the surgeries?
I want to. 

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Do oh, the moment I came out, I 
literally was like, I knew 

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exactly what I want. 
I like she was like, let's get 

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it done. 
Did you ever move? 

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Board you were like I want these
tits. 

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Yeah, no, I mean, look, I at the
time there was literally around 

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the time of Gigi Gorgeous love. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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So her coming out and Andrea PJ 
and stuff. 

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So that was my only two examples
that I was like, okay, but I 

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knew exactly what I wanted. 
I had face surgery, I think 

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literally within. 
Four months, four months of like

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basically coming out and being 
on hormones and then all the 

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other surgeries booked in like 
the the quickest I could get it 

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because you need to be on 
hormones for a certain amount of

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time. 
But I literally, the moment I, 

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I, I came out, I was like, let's
get this over words, you know, 

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And then I actually did it all 
and all the surgeries, all the 

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hormones, all the, all the 
therapy, all the 

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endocrinological to, you know, 
the hormone doctors and stuff 

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you. 
Must have just been like, sat in

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a wheelchair like this, got your
arms out, no? 

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But. 
Look. 

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For like, I did my studies in 
Amsterdam and those were sort of

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like finished. 
And I actually, and I'm, you 

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know, I'm very grateful for my 
parents as well because they 

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they really supported me through
this time. 

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But I did this all in like a 
year or a year and a half. 

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Incredible. 
Yeah. 

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And just was like, but I took 
that time literally almost to 

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literally transition. 
That was my only thing that I 

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had really going on. 
I had a boyfriend in London at 

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the time and I would travel 
between Amsterdam, London and 

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Belgium. 
I would literally just be 

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focusing on on my transition, 
which is, you know. 

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Was he helpful throughout that 
transition as well? 

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He really, you know what? 
Like I have to give him that. 

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Like he really was. 
I met him when I was doing an 

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internship in London. 
So, so did my uni in Amsterdam, 

447
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,200
internship in London. 
So I was here in, in six months 

448
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,760
and it was the six months that I
had to wait for my first therapy

449
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,840
appointment after that wedding. 
So that was the period where I 

450
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,680
didn't have hormones or 
anything. 

451
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,120
So I stole my parents birth 
control because they had a full 

452
00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,840
cabinet of of of sort of like 
medication because they were 

453
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,840
JPS. 
So I saw birth control for 

454
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,720
estrogen. 
I mean completely mental because

455
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,680
I even online you couldn't even 
find anything. 

456
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,440
But it's like, oh, there's 
estrogen in there. 

457
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,800
So I'm going to take birth 
control. 

458
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,400
How does that make you feel? 
Does it make you go weird? 

459
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,040
I mean, I was, I was back a 
doodle at the time. 

460
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,640
So I was just, I didn't care. 
There was just like some 

461
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,560
estrogen in there. 
And that's Lucci doing that 

462
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,080
internship in London. 
That's where I met him. 

463
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,840
And I have to say, like he was 
just looking back now, he was 

464
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,160
so, so supportive for 
everything. 

465
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,560
You know, he made me feel, he 
always made me feel so 

466
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,480
beautiful. 
Like, you know, there was like 

467
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,840
times where obviously I, you 
know, before facial feminization

468
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:38,360
surgery, I felt so ugly and like
I would like, I would always be 

469
00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,480
so confident. 
And the moments I came out, I 

470
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,000
got so shy and like almost like 
did not even dare to go outside 

471
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,680
and like always would be scared 
to go outside. 

472
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,120
And I just like such severe 
gender dysphoria and anxiety do.

473
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,760
You think it's because you'd 
finally kind of like, stepped in

474
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,320
to be like, OK, well, I'm a 
woman. 

475
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,000
So then exactly the pressure was
on. 

476
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,720
Exactly. 
And then whenever somebody 

477
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,200
would, I would be out and 
somebody would then be, oh, he, 

478
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,280
him, it would like devastate me.
Like it would ruin my week. 

479
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,040
But he would always be like, Oh 
my God, you look so beautiful. 

480
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,840
You know what I mean? 
Like it was really sweet. 

481
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,080
And then he was there for the 
entire process. 

482
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,800
I mean, there it wasn't perfect 
at all, but there was then a, 

483
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,280
there was a couple of things 
that happened. 

484
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,120
But then basically like once 
everything was done, I was like,

485
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,560
I want to move to London now and
start a full new life, like 

486
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,040
properly move to London. 
Because in Amsterdam that was 

487
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080
like that period where I was 
like felt really, really 

488
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,960
insecure In Amsterdam. 
I was like going to that entire,

489
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,320
you know, between phase, I would
say. 

490
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,240
And then in Belgium I just never
felt at home. 

491
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,320
So I was like, OK, let me just 
let me move to London. 

492
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,720
And he actually lived in London 
at the time. 

493
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,920
But it was just like the moment 
I was done with everything. 

494
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,360
I really wanted to like explore 
London and like, this was the 

495
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:03,280
beginning of my life, obviously.
And he was like, why don't we 

496
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,960
move to, I don't know where it 
was. 

497
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,800
It was like Surrey or something.
And like move out of London. 

498
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,600
I was like, no, maybe not. 
So no, like I'm, you know, I'm 

499
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,640
very sweet, but it just, we're 
just in different stages of our 

500
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,400
life, I guess. 
And it's not the place for you 

501
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960
to kind of discover your whole 
new life, you know, going 

502
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,800
straight to Surrey, you know 
you've skipped 50 years, you 

503
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,240
know you're going into a place 
is your new found your real 

504
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,000
self. 
Yeah, now exactly. 

505
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,080
You want to be able to really. 
Really. 

506
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,960
No, I know, look, but it sounds 
obviously awful and like, you 

507
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,200
know, it was really, really good
for me up until a certain point.

508
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,840
But yeah, it was just, it wasn't
working like I, I was like a 

509
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,720
butterfly that they would try to
cage a little bit, you know? 

510
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,560
That happens a lot. 
Yeah. 

511
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,280
So I was like, this butterfly 
needs to fly on it. 

512
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,400
This butterfly is ready to 
spread away. 

513
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,560
And she did so. 
So. 

514
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,760
So yeah. 
That must Did you see a massive 

515
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,920
difference in your mental health
once you had all the surgery and

516
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,640
the hormones and everything? 
Oh, just looking in the mirror 

517
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,960
and just. 
Yeah, Oh, my God, Completely. 

518
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,920
Like, you know, I yeah, I've 
like one of my best friends. 

519
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,400
Hi, Emmanuel. 
I really chew. 

520
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,800
And he knew me from in Amsterdam
and like how confident I was. 

521
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,000
And then he went through 
everything because he's also 

522
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Belgian. 
He went through everything, you 

523
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,560
know, in transitioning and stuff
and he saw how at least she got 

524
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,320
so small and like so insecure. 
And then he actually was the guy

525
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,720
that moved with me to London. 
Like we moved together and I'm 

526
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,640
just a different person now, you
know what I mean? 

527
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,160
Like I've I've got a confidence 
from Amsterdam back, but I'm now

528
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,400
way more myself, you know what I
mean? 

529
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,200
Like I'm not I? 
Could never imagine you being 

530
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,720
timid. 
Well, yeah, I mean. 

531
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,640
But of course, yeah, it makes 
sense as to why you were. 

532
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,360
You just, I do think most trans 
people go through this where 

533
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,320
they're, there's just a face 
where you feel so insecure, you 

534
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,680
know, it's very vulnerable. 
But I mean, you doing it all in 

535
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,520
one year does not surprise me. 
The amount of times that you've 

536
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,720
been stood there whilst I'm 
getting an injection in my face 

537
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,280
and you're like, beauty is pain,
honey. 

538
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,760
I of course Joel is hard. 
Like, I mean, when I was 

539
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,880
speaking to Nina before and she 
was just like, yeah, Joel 

540
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,800
doesn't get any numbing. 
She just goes straight to town 

541
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,760
and I'm like, yeah. 
Yeah, you're. 

542
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,600
Made of steel. 
You've done it all now. 

543
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,200
No exactly, but I mean look, I, 
I, I also really, really love 

544
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,520
this field. 
You know what I mean? 

545
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Like, just like it excites me 
because also surgeries and 

546
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,280
treatments and even that first 
meal of flip filler, it just 

547
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,440
made me feel so confident and so
affirmed with myself, you know, 

548
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,240
that I'm like, I'm also just 
excited to do that to other 

549
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,440
people that are like it. 
Literally, sometimes I can look 

550
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520
at people and be like, Oh my 
God, you know, it's going to 

551
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,280
change your life. 
But it does though. 

552
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,160
Like all jokes aside, I do 
genuinely think that treatments,

553
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,360
no matter how big or small, can 
really make a huge difference. 

554
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,440
Like huge difference for skin. 
Skin, Oh my God, if my skin is 

555
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,880
bad, my mood is bad, 
everything's bad. 

556
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280
I mean I. 
Oh my God, and Oh my God, refuse

557
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,360
to go outside. 
You know, friends of mine, they 

558
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,400
are like, Oh my God, I've got 
one spot. 

559
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,280
I refuse to go outside. 
And I'm like. 

560
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,160
Yeah, that comes straight to 
injection. 

561
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,360
Exactly. 
Let's go. 

562
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,080
Let's put the cortisone. 
Shot in there. 

563
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,880
So is that what made you then? 
So all of your process and 

564
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,400
journey did, what was the kind 
of deciding factor of starting 

565
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,040
up injection? 
And how long ago was that now? 

566
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040
Is it like 4 years that you 
started injection? 

567
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,360
Yeah, 3 1/2, three and a half, 
almost four years, I think it 

568
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,840
was upon moving. 
So I, I studied fashion in 

569
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Amsterdam and then basically 
like upon moving to London, I 

570
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,840
obviously went through my entire
their process, how life changing

571
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,640
that was for me. 
And I was like, OK, this is, 

572
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,720
this is really interesting. 
Plus my sister is a plastic 

573
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,520
surgeon. 
So we after coming out there was

574
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,720
just like a click in us that was
like, I think we need to start a

575
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,160
business one day together. 
It was literally like, I don't 

576
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,200
know what it was, but we both 
had that feeling because it's 

577
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,880
like, so it was a gorgeous 
moment as well. 

578
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,240
Like me coming out to her and it
was like, well, she really 

579
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,880
accepted it and she was like, 
yeah, completely fine. 

580
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,360
What? 
An amazing family by the way. 

581
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,880
Yeah, no, no, no, I honestly, I 
owe them everything. 

582
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,280
But she we both at that feeling 
like I really just sort of, you 

583
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,120
know, start something together 
after working in fashion for a 

584
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,920
bit and doing an internship 
here, loneliness of hated 

585
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,080
fashion industry, absolutely 
hated it. 

586
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,720
Also, it pays absolutely 
nothing, nothing like, you know,

587
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,360
but also like you're expected to
work 18 hours a day for 

588
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080
absolutely no pay. 
And like people are bitchy as 

589
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,320
fuck. 
So I was like, OK, this. 

590
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,720
What are we doing here? 
They all think they're in Devil 

591
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Wears Prada. 
And then it's like, you're not 

592
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,680
sweet. 
Like you're just running to get 

593
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Starbucks. 
Like, come on. 

594
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160
But it was like, you know, I'm 
moving to London. 

595
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
I was like, OK, let me give this
industry a try. 

596
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,200
And I started working at this 
Academy for injectables And I, I

597
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440
went from like working with 
these fashion bitches. 

598
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,160
I feel like, feel, feel like the
world, you know, to like these 

599
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:18,440
really grounded doctors that are
really smart, treat your their 

600
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,360
employees really nice. 
A booming industry that is like 

601
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,920
literally exploding basically at
the you know, especially at the 

602
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,600
time and like even now that I 
was like, okay, this actually is

603
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,920
lovely to work in, you know this
this is actually how work can be

604
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,000
and also like obviously I grew 
up my both my parents are 

605
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,920
doctors. 
My sister is plastic surgeon. 

606
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,120
So I was like, obviously. 
I have seen your sisters work, 

607
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,560
yeah. 
She's amazing. 

608
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440
She's amazing. 
I want, I want the boobs that 

609
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,480
she does. 
Yeah, she did this one. 

610
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,640
She just did one, by the way. 
Yeah, it's just one this long 

611
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,680
story. 
That's your favorite boob? 

612
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520
I'm no joking. 
Yeah, I've been like looking at 

613
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,720
them, like bookmarking and being
like that one, that one, that 

614
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,040
one. 
It's just the right 1 though. 

615
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,240
I think I can only afford one 
boob from her, so I'll put the 

616
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,120
other one on the. 
Payment. 

617
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,000
Here we go, Clear pay or 
Clarina. 

618
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280
But so where were we? 
Oh yeah. 

619
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,840
Yeah, sorry. 
OK, So basically started working

620
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,920
at this Academy, really enjoyed 
it. 

621
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680
And I was like, OK, so I always 
worked in marketing, but then 

622
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,160
did basically marketing for this
Academy for injectables. 

623
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,640
I really, really enjoyed it. 
And then afterwards I was like, 

624
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,800
let me just work for a clinic 
now. 

625
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,640
So then worked for this clinic 
called Cavendish Clinic. 

626
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,840
I've heard of them. 
Yeah. 

627
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,120
And that was a like a really, 
really, I wouldn't even call it 

628
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,920
a chain. 
It was like they had two clinics

629
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,880
and actually grew the business 
there in three years, 3 or 4 

630
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:52,400
years to chain of tank clinics. 
Going into John Lewis and like 

631
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,320
having all these cool projects 
with skin circles and 

632
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Hydrafacial and launching A 
Hydrafacial bar and injectables 

633
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,680
clinics in John Lewis and stuff 
is really interesting periods. 

634
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,320
Amazing. 
Yeah, saw what they were doing 

635
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,520
right there also, just like, So 
what they were doing not so 

636
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,880
right there, you know what I 
mean? 

637
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,160
But obviously you follow the 
boss. 

638
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,760
I was like, OK, let me just take
everything that I've learned and

639
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,520
see what is missing on the 
markets. 

640
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000
And that's where I was like, OK,
there's actually not really 

641
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,960
cool, nice concept around 
injectables, especially in 

642
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,320
London, you know what I mean? 
Like, you have these Hardesty 

643
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,800
doctors that are like, you know,
they might give you great 

644
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,400
treatment, but the experience 
around it is awful. 

645
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,880
You know you pay a hefty premium
always like resenters around 

646
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,800
like one doctor. 
And you're never sure if you 

647
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,360
really trust them either. 
Yeah, like, depending on what 

648
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,320
clinic you go to. 
But I mean, I've gone to some 

649
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,120
clinics where like the lobby 
looked really nice and then you 

650
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,720
go into like the office but and 
you're like, Oh no. 

651
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,280
The lobby looks really nice. 
Have you been in Harley Street? 

652
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,800
Most of the most of the the the 
clinics there look like a 

653
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,000
fucking crack there. 
No, it's weird. 

654
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,120
I was in Harley Street. 
I was terrified. 

655
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,240
I was like, this is not what I 
said. 

656
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,320
No, exactly. 
I mean, but you're literally 

657
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,040
walking in there and you were 
sitting there in between people 

658
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,720
that are going to the 
gynecologist, you know, people 

659
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,400
that are going to the orthopedic
surgeon. 

660
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,440
And, you know, it feels so 
unnatural and like, you know, 

661
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,680
you're all set up basically also
going to square. 

662
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,280
You often look at each other. 
It's so awkward. 

663
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,040
And then, you know, you're 
called over by this random 

664
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,680
receptionist to go upstairs. 
And then sometimes you even put 

665
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,120
numbing cream on in this in this
waiting room. 

666
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,480
I've done that before. 
Yeah. 

667
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,360
And then you're basically after 
your treatment, you're literally

668
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,680
ushered out directly on the 
street, your lip is still 

669
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,400
bleeding, you look a mess and 
you just are like, OK, I just 

670
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400
paid, I don't know, £500 to get 
my lips lip fillers on. 

671
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,760
But like you know, the 
experience around is awful. 

672
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,320
Less stiff lips. 
Yeah, or you go or you go to a 

673
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,360
chain and then you literally 
you're either treated by really 

674
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,920
good doctor, but you might also 
be treated by somebody who has 

675
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,360
it's generally no experience. 
Yeah, they have done a one or 

676
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,960
two day course, no experience. 
No, it's terrifying. 

677
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Yeah, so don't ever. 
Want to trust anyone? 

678
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,800
Like that's how we face. 
Yeah, but that's how it used to.

679
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,160
You know, a lot of change chains
still do that. 

680
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,240
You know, they they have no real
vetting process for their 

681
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,200
injectors to our psychic game. 
Why don't we just do the 

682
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440
complete opposite, create a 
really cool concept around it, 

683
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,640
take it out of Harley Street 
because every literally every 

684
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,720
single person can rent A room in
Harley Street. 

685
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,240
So like let's take it out of 
Harley Street, put it in the 

686
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,040
high suite. 
There's no need for taboos 

687
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,600
around injectables anymore and 
create a really nice experience 

688
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,400
around it, you know, and you. 
Have. 

689
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Well, thank you. 
We try, you know, but it's and 

690
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,680
also like with every location, 
obviously we learn things and we

691
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,520
like to always improve. 
But like, you know, it's, it's, 

692
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,800
it's already miles away, miles 
better than Harley sweet. 

693
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,760
So obviously we have beverages 
up on arrival. 

694
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,360
We like try to like have any 
really nice center at the 

695
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,840
clinic. 
We have like a concept, you 

696
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,440
know, and we had a concept 
studio look at the design and 

697
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,760
like really think about every, 
every aspect. 

698
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,880
And after treatment, you have 
LED therapy to speed up the 

699
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,440
healing. 
Plus it's like really nice to 

700
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040
like, it's a really nice sort of
like ending to your treatment 

701
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,679
because it like relaxes you, 
speeds up healing. 

702
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,480
You have a little skin care and 
makeup tester bar if you want to

703
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,760
like reapply something to 
moisturizer so you can literally

704
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,840
go back to work. 
Yeah. 

705
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,000
Yeah, you. 
Can go back to you know, a lot 

706
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,360
of people go back to work 
afterwards and then we have 

707
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,679
memberships treatment plans to 
also make it as approachable for

708
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,600
all you can see. 
I just wanted to think about 

709
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,159
creating a really nice 
experience that a real nice 

710
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:48,040
brand surrounds injectables so. 
Yeah, I mean I, I, I mean I 

711
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,360
remember, I mean Scarlett first 
when and immediately completely 

712
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,639
different experience to anything
else that I'd had before. 

713
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,120
I walked in looking cooked babe,
like I had. 

714
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,480
I remember sitting down and I'll
try and remember the clinicians 

715
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,400
name now, but it was now like 3 
years ago that this was and they

716
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,640
looked over at me and we're just
like, no, I said, what do you 

717
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,520
mean? 
No, They're like, we're not 

718
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,040
touching this space. 
They're like you've got 

719
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,200
migration filler all up here, 
all down here. 

720
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,480
There is no way I'm injecting on
top of that. 

721
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,920
It's really thick. 
It's this, it's that. 

722
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,840
And I remember sitting there 
like first of all, I'm like, 

723
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,080
God, never felt more ugly 
actually. 

724
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,000
But secondly, thank fuck, 
because that was what made me 

725
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,560
really trust injectural just 
like from the get go, because I 

726
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,640
thought any other clinic 
probably would have been like, 

727
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,680
well, yeah, we'll take the 
money. 

728
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,720
And just like you know, do do 
your lips so then straight away 

729
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,640
booked in for the migration 
filler dissolving. 

730
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,800
Really fun experience that. 
Yeah. 

731
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,680
But it has to be done. 
You know you have to I. 

732
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,720
Would say this to everyone like 
migrate because you also did it 

733
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,000
as well. 
Lib I'm looking over at live in 

734
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,040
the corner. 
You also had your thank God. 

735
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,760
Honestly, I mean, I've gone 
through the years, I've had them

736
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,640
a couple of times as well. 
You know, I, I worked obviously 

737
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,480
for a training Academy, so there
was a couple of people that 

738
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,160
trained on me. 
Yeah, it's got to be done. 

739
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,600
It's got to be done. 
That is the one thing that I 

740
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,320
would always say to everyone 
like don't go and fill onto a 

741
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,400
filler that just like is no, no,
no, yeah, lodge somewhere. 

742
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Oh my God. 
But also you haven't. 

743
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,960
Like it makes such a difference.
You know what I mean? 

744
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,800
It does. 
I mean, I did. 

745
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,560
I looked awful, Yeah. 
Yeah, no, look, but I sometimes 

746
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,720
it's, you know, even with lip 
filler, there's still something 

747
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,640
to be said about like after a 
couple of years, even if it's 

748
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,560
perfectly injected and you know,
you use a really good filler, 

749
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,080
sometimes after 10 years after 
doing it, it's just like they 

750
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,440
will find a way. 
It's because obviously filler, 

751
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,480
you know, there's now new 
studies, it dissolves to some 

752
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,600
extent on its own without any of
obviously dissolver. 

753
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,680
But there will sometimes still 
be like residuals and like even 

754
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,320
with trauma or you're fighting 
on something the wrong way or 

755
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,360
you know what I mean? 
Like it will just like start to 

756
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,960
move sometimes. 
Don't go on any roller coasters.

757
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,040
Don't go to Thorpe Park. 
Your fellow want to end up at 

758
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,240
the back of your scarf. 
No, I, I feel like they're 

759
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,280
saying, I mean, I because there 
is, there is so much to be said 

760
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,040
around getting, getting the bad 
kind of, you know, treatment. 

761
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,760
And I think another thing that I
noticed with injectual as well, 

762
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,680
I remember being like, oh, I 
really want like fella here and 

763
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,400
I want fella here and I want, 
and they're like, no, you 

764
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,760
genuinely don't need that. 
Like, we're not going to do that

765
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,800
to your face. 
And so that is what I love 

766
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,800
'cause it's never pushy. 
Like, well, have you tried this 

767
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,280
as well, You know, and it's 
like, fair enough when it's a 

768
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,880
valid suggestion. 
Yeah, that usually Stella will 

769
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,600
look at my face and be like, 
please get CO2 or like, whatever

770
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,760
on your face. 
I'm like, I know Stella is 

771
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,400
hilarious. 
No, no, the reason why Stella is

772
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,200
like this with me because I give
it worse to her. 

773
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,800
Yeah, yeah. 
I spend my time bullying your 

774
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,440
employees. 
I did great, yeah. 

775
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,440
Lovely. 
And I absolutely. 

776
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,160
Blacklist. 
Yeah, no, I was joking. 

777
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,640
No, no, she's fantastic. 
But I think in a way of just 

778
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,720
being able to say, OK, this is 
actually what you need and what 

779
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,680
are you doing? 
Because whatever it might be 

780
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,400
might not be suiting what you're
doing. 

781
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,040
And we don't want you to like 
waste your time, money, effort 

782
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,920
on something that's not working,
you know? 

783
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,520
But it's also like, and that's 
basically what I also wanted to 

784
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,920
say about other changes. 
Like we literally that people 

785
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,480
that come to inject like that 
work for injectable as injectors

786
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,520
as in like everybody obviously 
needs to be a medic, but also 

787
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,360
everybody needs to have a 
certain level of experience, 

788
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:34,400
like at least three or four 
years and preferably a level 7, 

789
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,200
which is like the highest degree
in injectables that you can get.

790
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,480
That was actually the training 
Academy that I first worked for.

791
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,840
They invented this, but it's a 
really nice stamp of sort of 

792
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,560
like of, of injectables of, you 
know, of a degree that people 

793
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,760
can have, but also at another 
day, because we only imply 

794
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,520
medics for this. 
It's like they're medics first 

795
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,680
and foremost. 
So they're, you know, code of 

796
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,760
ethics. 
It's like, you know, you never 

797
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,280
want to sell something to 
someone. 

798
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,560
And also like, I never set any 
sales targets or like, you know 

799
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,760
what I mean? 
Like I, I'm literally like 

800
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,560
people give people what you 
ethically think people needs, 

801
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,760
you know? 
You're like, let's just make 

802
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,080
everyone hot again. 
Basically, well, literally, but 

803
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,880
you know what I mean? 
Like, I'm like, I don't ever. 

804
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,560
And I never want to do that 
because like, yeah, no. 

805
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:24,960
It happens. 
Feels completely. 

806
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Wrong, but that happens a lot to
a lot of you know, other chains 

807
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,440
where they put like even on 
doctors and stuff like these 

808
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,320
sales targets. 
I'm like, that is crazy. 

809
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,360
You know what I mean? 
Like. 

810
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,480
I'd also say as well that it's 
like. 

811
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,160
Highly unethical, but. 
One is unethical, but two, you 

812
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,560
know, you've got someone coming 
in who's in quite a vulnerable 

813
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,960
position. 
Oh my God, Completely. 

814
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,120
And once you start reeling off 
like a load of different things 

815
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,000
that they can have, then they're
going to, oh, do I need that? 

816
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,160
And no exactly you know, and 
then go for it. 

817
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,360
I mean, look, there's certain we
give everybody certain training 

818
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,040
and all the same products, 
several same techniques. 

819
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,840
Like I want everybody to to 
always do the same technique for

820
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,520
the for the lips. 
They have a group chat where 

821
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,880
they always discuss cases and we
have a journal club every month 

822
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,080
and stuff to like do constant 
training and stuff. 

823
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,520
Everybody will always also have 
their own technique. 

824
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,920
I just never, it's never cookie 
cutter, right? 

825
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,480
Every phase is different. 
Yeah. 

826
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,760
I mean, I can say on first hand 
that it's completely changed the

827
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,280
way that I one view myself. 
I think one of the main reasons 

828
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,400
why I wanted to start getting 
Botox as well, like any kind of 

829
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,960
toxins injected, was because I 
would have to edit this podcast 

830
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,120
so I would look at my face and 
that why does it move like that?

831
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,800
Yeah, yeah. 
What is up with those 

832
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,440
expressions? 
Like I have actually too many 

833
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,600
expressions for one person. 
It's still very expressive, even

834
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,120
weird Botox, but I you. 
Look amazing. 

835
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,280
Thank you. 
But it's all to do with you. 

836
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Thank you I I my life so. 
Crowded. 

837
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,600
My girlfriend will thank you. 
I was looking through all the 

838
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,480
videos and I think obviously 
being more like high pry 

839
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,720
analytical and looking at things
me like no, I'm just not happy. 

840
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,840
Therefore I would actually 
rather do something that's gonna

841
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,320
make me feel better in my skin. 
Yeah and it's made me feel much 

842
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,400
more confident and I I can watch
myself and edit and not want to 

843
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,880
bang my head against the wall. 
So that's. 

844
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,280
You know, this is what we do it 
for. 

845
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,200
You know, this is literally what
we do it. 

846
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,760
For but it's also just like it 
does affect you mentally, huge. 

847
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,320
Oh my God, completely. 
Yeah, yeah, no, but it's I mean,

848
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,320
it's it's actually it's I mean, 
not I don't want to say crazy, 

849
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,680
but it's actually incredible how
even like Botox or like 1 mill 

850
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,840
of lip fluid can really like 
change how people go about their

851
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,240
daily life, you know, like, and 
I I I keep saying this example, 

852
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,280
but there's like this girl. 
Do you know Charlie cracks? 

853
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Yeah, I mean, she she came to 
the clinic and she like lip 

854
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,200
filler. 
And 10 years ago she went to 

855
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,440
another, another clinic, not 
ours, and had lip filler and had

856
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,040
a, you know, it look, it can 
happen to everyone, but she had 

857
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,160
a vascular occlusion. 
So she had filler that went into

858
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,920
a into a blood vessel. 
I don't know the exact story. 

859
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,840
I probably should ask her more 
details about it, but it, you 

860
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,840
know, it got quite bad. 
That's terrifying. 

861
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,760
Yeah, really, really terrifying.
And I don't know if she went to 

862
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,120
a proper medic, but, you know, 
that had to get dissolved. 

863
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,320
Luckily with like normal filler,
you can literally, and most, you

864
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,720
know, all of our medics can 
easily recognize that the moment

865
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,360
they inject it. 
But, you know, it got really, 

866
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,440
you know, quite, quite bad and 
quite scary where it got like 

867
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,720
completely, almost like blocked.
Yeah. 

868
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,080
So then tissue can start to die 
off and stuff. 

869
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,160
So it's it's really, really 
important to like go to a medic 

870
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,480
that can recognize this and also
dissolve it because it's like, 

871
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,920
you know, it's it's a medicine. 
So but yeah, she she was really 

872
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,000
terrified. 
But then when she after 10 years

873
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,080
of finally trying it again and 
trusting us, had some one mil of

874
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,600
lip filler, She literally, if 
you talk to her, it literally 

875
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,000
sounds like we changed her 
entire life. 

876
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,840
Yeah. 
She she felt, she's like, I've 

877
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,080
never felt less dysphoric. 
And I've like, I'm finally feel 

878
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,720
like a woman and like we know 
all these things and. 

879
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,120
It makes a huge. 
Difference. 

880
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,240
So yeah, we do God's work. 
Basically you do. 

881
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,880
God's work. 
No, honestly, you do do God's 

882
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,040
work. 
Jesus Christ. 

883
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:19,720
I don't know what I would do 
without you guys. 

884
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,160
I mean, honestly has yeah, it 
has made a huge difference. 

885
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,160
And like just Botox as well. 
Like the the power of it, like I

886
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,560
would say with my jaw, 
especially from like a pain 

887
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,280
perspective as well. 
First of all, I look like 

888
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,200
handsome Squidward. 
I had like the squareish jaw and

889
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,200
then in my traps as well. 
So I'd always get headaches 

890
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,000
because of my traps or from my 
jaw and just the the actual like

891
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,960
silhouette and the shape of my 
face just completely changed 

892
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,400
since getting that done. 
Awesome. 

893
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,200
Me and like for a lot of 
transfermen like that massage or

894
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,120
Botox did she make such a 
difference? 

895
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,240
And I actually didn't notice it 
until like Zayn one day was 

896
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,480
like, oh sweetie, we need to do 
muscle tests. 

897
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,120
And I was like, I don't think we
do. 

898
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,160
And then I actually didn't and 
make such a difference. 

899
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040
And but also like even indeed 
like the tension and stuff. 

900
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,040
And isn't it even with, like 
with Scarlet, the migraines? 

901
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,440
Migraines as well. 
The Botox really, really helps 

902
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,600
that too, which is amazing. 
I think that people 

903
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,120
underestimate just how powerful 
it can be and just how like a 

904
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,560
little bit of something can just
help, or even if it's like a 

905
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,240
skin booster or something. 
Yeah, I know the tension. 

906
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,160
I mean, look, there's a lot of 
medicinal benefits with Botox, 

907
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,400
you know, we always laugh about 
it. 

908
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,560
But like, if, you know, it's, it
really works. 

909
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:30,920
Yeah. 
And there's even like a lot of 

910
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,040
stories even around depression 
and stuff that because you 

911
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,640
can't, you know, make the 
really, really like sad, you 

912
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,120
know, really depressed movements
anymore that you even feel less 

913
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,920
depressed and. 
Stuff. 

914
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,160
Amazing. 
So give me a bit more, yeah. 

915
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,280
Literally. 
I remember doing that actually, 

916
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,160
on the worst New Year's of my 
life. 

917
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,600
Was it New Year's Day? 
No, I think it was the no, it 

918
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,360
was New Year's Eve and I went 
into injectual. 

919
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,120
It wasn't this one. 
It was the New Year's Eve 

920
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,440
before. 
And I've been on death's door, 

921
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,360
crying, sobbing, crashing out 
left, right and centre. 

922
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,120
And I went to injectual and he 
was like, So what are we doing? 

923
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,280
Are we going to do like a 
freeze? 

924
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,280
We're going to do something 
light. 

925
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,720
And I'm like, I was like, please
just make it look like I've 

926
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,240
never cried in my life. 
Like get rid of whatever the 

927
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,600
fuck is going on in my face. 
I don't want to look sad 

928
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,880
anymore. 
Honestly, it made a huge 

929
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,720
difference. 
I mean, then you just see the, 

930
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,400
the the the white. 
Tear. 

931
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,880
And I'm just like Lauren Conrad.
Honestly, say save my year 

932
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,800
because I think loads of people 
are able to. 

933
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,960
I mean, I had to carry on. 
I mean, I went through a really,

934
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,280
really hard year and I had to 
carry on going to events. 

935
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,080
I had to carry on doing the 
podcast and I had to make it 

936
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,880
look like I hadn't been crying 
my eyes out every single day and

937
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,560
genuinely like having Botox and 
having skin treatments really 

938
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,480
helped. 
Can I ask a question to you by 

939
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,000
the way? 
Like, like how, how long did it 

940
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000
take you to like, you know, feel
like, feel normal again, like. 

941
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,160
After being so depressed, yeah, 
was. 

942
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,640
That do you mean like this this?
Yeah, so it was that was. 

943
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,720
Too much a break. 
Up so yeah, so it was the break 

944
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,560
up. 
So the break up happened end of 

945
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,920
24. 
And then 2025 was a rough ride, 

946
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,040
but also 2024 was also hard as 
well. 

947
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,200
And then, but I think it's, it 
hasn't been linear, you know, 

948
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,880
like it took me so long just to,
I think what I was doing, to be 

949
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,800
honest, was like burning the 
candle at both ends. 

950
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,120
Like quite extremely, like I was
working a lot, but I was also 

951
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,480
like going out every single 
night. 

952
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,080
I could not stay in because I 
was like, if I stay in, you have

953
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,880
to, I have to think about it and
I can't do that. 

954
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,280
So I was exhausted, like utterly
exhausted. 

955
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,880
So I think I'm still recovering 
from like the burnout of all of 

956
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,200
that. 
And I think it's like some days 

957
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,600
you just have good days, bad 
days, good days, bad days. 

958
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,000
And you have to kind of, I think
my main thing is is that I've 

959
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,800
proved how resilient I am. 
And that's one thing that I'm 

960
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,640
really glad that like, I kind of
have and and I'm glad that I 

961
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,000
carried on with the business and
everything else when I felt like

962
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,560
I couldn't, you know, and I was 
just like, no, sometimes you 

963
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,680
just have to, you know, if you 
have a choice or, you know, but 

964
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,960
it's also because I have so much
love for this. 

965
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,400
That was like trying to kind of 
like carry all of that on. 

966
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,960
But I would say that, like, 
heartbreak is one of the worst 

967
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,080
things that someone can go 
through. 

968
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,760
Oh, sweetie. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

969
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,200
Are you seeing anyone at the 
moment? 

970
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,560
Are we going to out them? 
No, no, no, that's like 

971
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,720
honestly, I look at another day 
dating. 

972
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,120
I find dating as a transformer 
really, really, really like 

973
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
look. 
Dating general is tough that's. 

974
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:30,000
What I was going to ask as a 
trans woman, it's like a big 

975
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,600
topic I've seen on like TikTok, 
especially Belpre. 

976
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,520
See my friend, I know she's 
friends with you. 

977
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,160
She talks a lot about dating on 
TikTok and I was. 

978
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,440
Interested. 
It's look, it's, it's just a 

979
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,520
really, really, really sucks 
because to be honest, Well, I 

980
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,720
mean, it probably sucks because 
men suck. 

981
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,280
I mean, yeah. 
Like this is a good topic 

982
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,440
actually. 
Let's talk about men suck, Yeah?

983
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,200
And are you fully, are you fully
straight as well? 

984
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,320
No, no, no, I'm pansexual. 
But. 

985
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,280
Pansexual. 
Bisexual. 

986
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:07,320
So like have dated girls before,
but and like, you know, could be

987
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,440
completely transparent, like 
only have been intimate after 

988
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,880
transitioning with a girl 
because like before I just, I 

989
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,440
obviously couldn't, I couldn't 
be intimate with anyone really. 

990
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,760
But especially like after 
transitioning, I, I really, you 

991
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,520
know, started to explore myself 
and felt really like myself. 

992
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:34,200
But for some reason I I just 
feel more it just feels more 

993
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,520
natural to dates with a guy 
unfortunately Really. 

994
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,840
Unfortunately. 
It really like, I don't know 

995
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,160
what it is, but it's just like, 
you know. 

996
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,440
Is there an element of like a 
bit of gender dysphoria that 

997
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,080
goes into that, do you reckon at
all? 

998
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,400
Or do you just think it's just 
like personal preference? 

999
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,920
I. 
Think no, it's just like, 

1000
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,800
obviously I think I just want to
feel it's not even protect, but 

1001
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,480
it's more like I I maybe I'm 
just like craving that male 

1002
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,560
role, even though like it, that 
doesn't even really change 

1003
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,800
anything. 
Maybe it's It's still like I'm 

1004
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,040
figuring all of that out, but 
it's like. 

1005
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,920
I'll never forget Caitlyn Jenner
saying that once, actually, was 

1006
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:16,720
she? 
What do you? 

1007
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,720
Think. 
I mean, let's hate that that 

1008
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,560
cretent of a human. 
So how do you feel that one of 

1009
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,720
the biggest trans. 
Women, I mean, such a 

1010
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,400
disappointment. 
Come on. 

1011
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,240
That is just like, what a 
fucking disappointment. 

1012
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,160
I think that she's trolling 
everyone by this point. 

1013
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,640
I genuinely like think I. 
Hope so. 

1014
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,760
Yeah, I really hope so. 
I mean, like literally every 

1015
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,560
single, like, you know what? 
I don't even want to give that 

1016
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,600
person. 
No. 

1017
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:44,120
Like I just, I'm like, there's 
so much wrong there. 

1018
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,920
Like, you know, she had such an 
opportunity there. 

1019
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,480
And like anything I see about 
Gaitlin, I'm just like, oh, I, I

1020
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,840
can't, I literally. 
She's not one of us. 

1021
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,400
Yeah, not. 
One of us, you know what I mean?

1022
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,680
Like, it's just like, oh, just 
any, everything. 

1023
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,640
Like just anything. 
Everything. 

1024
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,560
It's worse than no 
representation at some point, 

1025
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,640
like you're actually just 
destroying. 

1026
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,680
Like in a building we are. 
I think everybody had hope, you 

1027
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,400
know? 
But then it's like, yeah, I 

1028
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,360
just. 
She's just insane. 

1029
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,880
I I don't even know how to 
discuss that because Caitlin, 

1030
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,400
yeah, at least she fuck you, 
Caitlin. 

1031
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:19,920
Yeah. 
Offence. 

1032
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,240
Like it's just. 
No, Oh no, I mean offence. 

1033
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,080
Yeah, literally. 
Fuck you, Caitlin. 

1034
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,760
Fuck you, Caitlin. 
Fuck you, Caitlin. 

1035
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,560
Yeah, I think that that's 
interesting though, like kind of

1036
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,840
going back to the guys as well, 
because obviously I think that 

1037
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,800
that that I remember, like I 
said, like she did say something

1038
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,680
that she preferred to have been 
because of that reason. 

1039
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,720
But I think that everything's 
always a journey, right? 

1040
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,360
And like some people like find 
their sexual orientation like a 

1041
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,880
bit of a journey too, and kind 
of like figuring out because 

1042
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,720
I've kind of noticed the way in 
which women are now, they're 

1043
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:52,120
kind of stepping up into more of
like a gentleman role than like 

1044
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,960
men ever have too. 
Like I feel way more taken care 

1045
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,560
of by a woman than I ever did by
by a man because. 

1046
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,640
Yeah, no, but like and look, 
that's also what I'm still 

1047
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,960
discovering now, you know, like 
sometimes I'm like I've I'm an 

1048
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,320
outer night and then I meet a 
girl and that I really like her 

1049
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,800
and then she's actually like 
treating me like a general man. 

1050
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,000
I'm like, oh, this actually, 
this actually feels amazing. 

1051
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,360
So if. 
She gets the CBD for you, pays 

1052
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,400
for everything. 
You're like this. 

1053
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,120
Is amazing. 
It's not even like I don't even 

1054
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,960
care about her paying for it. 
It's more like, you know, it's 

1055
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,480
even just like, you know, the 
control arm, the arm around me 

1056
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,360
and just like Litchy, like 
diamond beautiful like all this 

1057
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,840
things. 
I'm like, OK, this could really 

1058
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,440
work. 
So I don't know, you never you 

1059
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,680
never know, but it's maybe just 
like something that's still 

1060
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,600
innately in me that I'm like 
seeing that that Prince fantasy.

1061
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,040
You know what? 
I. 

1062
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,800
Mean and I think it's also like 
a lot of people like grow up 

1063
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,280
with wanting like a male 
validation, right? 

1064
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,880
It's huge. 
It's so indoctrinated into like 

1065
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,520
everything and I feel because it
is difficult for trans. 

1066
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,720
Women. 
Yeah, literally it's difficult 

1067
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,440
for trans women to date within, 
Oh my gosh, kind of space. 

1068
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,480
And like, I feel like a lot of 
them, I mean, I know that a lot 

1069
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,160
of them would love to date a 
trans woman. 

1070
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,360
It's not that. 
It's about them being whether 

1071
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,400
somebody knew that their partner
was trans for them because 

1072
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,040
they've got this kind of 
internalised there. 

1073
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,280
There is just just a widespread 
indoctrination across all 

1074
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,960
species. 
I feel at this point where it's 

1075
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,760
like people don't even have 
their own thoughts anymore. 

1076
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,880
Like they just kind of go along 
with whatever someone said. 

1077
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,920
Was the right? 
No, but it's just difficult, you

1078
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,360
know? 
Francis Exactly. 

1079
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,080
Dating someone. 
We've got. 

1080
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:41,520
Like a lovely, a lovely sis sis 
guy. 

1081
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,760
But like, yeah, it's just like 
really. 

1082
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,760
I find it really, really 
difficult to date someone. 

1083
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,400
And then there's, you know, 
completely transparent. 

1084
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,440
There's also like I'm, I'm post 
stoppage that even like adds in 

1085
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,080
a different layer and you know 
what I mean? 

1086
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,120
Like it's, it's really, it's a 
really tricky thing to navigate.

1087
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,120
Yeah. 
But also at the same time also 

1088
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,360
I'm, I feel sometimes like I'm 
generally too busy to properly 

1089
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,280
date. 
Yeah. 

1090
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,800
So there's also also that. 
So I. 

1091
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,360
Feel like, yeah, I feel like it 
can be tricky. 

1092
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,720
I think as well, because I mean 
it. 

1093
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,360
It makes me laugh sometimes 
because the guys be like, 

1094
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,720
they're going to think I'm gay. 
And it's like, I'm not being 

1095
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,520
funny. 
You're more of a woman than I 

1096
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,560
am. 
I'm looking at you. 

1097
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,880
And I'm like, you are so 
feminine. 

1098
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,640
You are a woman through and 
through, you know? 

1099
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,760
And if a guy wanted to date you,
that makes him, like, the 

1100
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,200
furthest thing from gay, surely.
Wouldn't they just want to? 

1101
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,240
Be with a man that's exactly a 
thing, right? 

1102
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,400
Like there's a lot of guys that 
I didn't date and then or even 

1103
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,640
like me, you know, my doubts. 
And then it's like you can just 

1104
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,640
see the wheel shirting all of a 
sudden, you know, and say like 

1105
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,080
find out or you tell them and 
like it literally opens up this 

1106
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,000
Pandora box and I'm like, I 
don't have time for this, you 

1107
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,640
know what I mean? 
Like I don't have the energy for

1108
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,720
this. 
You figure all of that out on 

1109
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,560
your own. 
I'm not here to, you know what I

1110
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,280
mean, like so. 
It's tricky. 

1111
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,760
It's tricky because it's like a 
constant coming out as well. 

1112
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,200
Yeah, exactly that that as well.
I think also like this is my 

1113
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,960
area of really like focusing on 
on business and like really like

1114
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,240
growing all of that and I'm 
quite black and white. 

1115
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,720
I can only focus my attention on
that many things like dating. 

1116
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,320
Look, I said no, if you really 
well, for me it like it's, it's 

1117
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,520
almost like it takes up a lot of
mental capacity. 

1118
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,280
Yeah, it does. 
Like especially like the first 

1119
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,440
stages of dating, especially of 
like planning dates and stuff 

1120
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,920
really takes up some mental 
capacity. 

1121
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,920
So I'm like, I need to be in the
right state of mind. 

1122
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,080
And then sometimes I am. 
And then I book seven dates in a

1123
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,960
week and then. 
You just fancy going out for 

1124
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,560
dinner? 
Well. 

1125
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,200
Exactly. 
But but yeah, it just. 

1126
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,000
I think as well, like there's 
always, there's always like a 

1127
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,680
pressure to date, isn't there? 
I feel like people are always. 

1128
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,280
I don't I never really, I don't 
really feel that I just like, 

1129
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,120
you know, I, I do I'm now in the
phase of my life I'm like, OK, 

1130
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,680
this, this would be nice. 
I was a five years ago or 

1131
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,120
something I was teaching like, 
oh, absolutely no, I don't. 

1132
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,560
I don't even want to date 
someone. 

1133
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,240
But now I'm like, OK, it would 
be nice, you know, I. 

1134
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,200
But it's the right person. 
I need to be the right person 

1135
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,920
and also like at the right time.
So yeah, let's see if it comes 

1136
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,320
along. 
If it doesn't, you know, who 

1137
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,520
cares? 
I lead a a fabulous life anyway.

1138
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,840
I mean, you do. 
I always watch your videos and 

1139
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,000
photos and I'm like, what is 
she? 

1140
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,360
Well, up to now, where is she 
that dog come from? 

1141
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,040
Like like a diamond. 
This is amazing. 

1142
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,240
I love it. 
You're going to be like the next

1143
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:33,800
Heidi Cream. 
I feel like you're just going to

1144
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,320
get to another level. 
Well, where's Spencer Pratt, I 

1145
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,360
guess. 
No, I love it. 

1146
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,160
And I think that as well with 
injectual, it's kind of taken 

1147
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,840
its natural path for you into 
your kind of like a sub genre of

1148
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,160
the brand, which is transjectual
too, which so that's all around 

1149
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,360
gender affirming. 
Yeah, right. 

1150
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,520
So that's actually what I really
want to focus on. 

1151
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,480
So this year coming up is 
basically the opening of the 

1152
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,840
third location, which is planned
for October, which is going to 

1153
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,640
be amazing in Elephant and 
Castle. 

1154
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,320
Super excited about, but at the 
same time, and I'm literally 

1155
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,360
like fine tuning this at the 
moment, just like legally and 

1156
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,200
stuff. 
And I once in transjector to be 

1157
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,800
its own location as quickly as 
possible because at the moment 

1158
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,840
it's more like a service and its
own website, but I want that to 

1159
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,600
be its own location with trans 
people. 

1160
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,000
I have a place to go to where 
they can get literally 

1161
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,080
everything. 
So surgery, all the treatments, 

1162
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,360
hair removal, electrolysis, 
voice feminization therapy, we 

1163
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,720
want to we want to part while 
we're partnering because we're 

1164
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,080
like in discussions with them 
with unhealth care so that we 

1165
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,480
can also partner with, with 
hormones. 

1166
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,440
So it's literally like a place 
we can come for your full 

1167
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,480
transition, basically for your 
full medical transition. 

1168
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,800
Obviously not everybody needs 
medical services to transition. 

1169
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,000
If you want to, that's basically
a one stop shop where you can go

1170
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,640
for everything in London. 
Would it be for trans men as 

1171
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,320
well? 
Yeah, yeah, everyone for 

1172
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,760
everybody on the spectrum 
basically. 

1173
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,320
So people that are you know 
gender diverse, non binary like 

1174
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,560
everyone is, is very welcome. 
And what I'm basically doing at 

1175
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,880
the moment is creating a 
structure we will have fun next 

1176
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,880
to it. 
So percentage of, so Transjector

1177
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,440
will be its own business and 
then we'll be, there will be a 

1178
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:34,840
funds, Transjector funds and a 
percentage of profits of 

1179
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,560
injectable each year will go 
into that funds. 

1180
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,320
Transjectual itself will 
obviously do fundraisers and 

1181
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:46,000
stuff, but Transjectual Ltd, all
the perfect they make, they make

1182
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,200
will go directly into that fund 
as well. 

1183
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,320
And I'm fundraising for 
Transjectual as well. 

1184
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,120
So we can actually have its own 
location. 

1185
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,120
And we will do this each three 
months we'll have people 

1186
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:02,080
applying for the funds and they 
will either have 100% or 50% of 

1187
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,520
their care fully funded. 
Incredible. 

1188
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,280
So we will, you know, like we 
will hopefully be able to help 

1189
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,600
the most vulnerable people, 
yeah, either fully free or as 

1190
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,720
affordable as possible because. 
It's not, you know, it's such it

1191
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,440
shouldn't be a luxury to be able
to be who you are. 

1192
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,440
But unfortunately. 
I mean, I'm also at the moment, 

1193
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,560
it's like the waiting list for 
seven years. 

1194
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,800
Like if I would have had to wait
seven years to start my journey,

1195
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,920
I wouldn't be here right now. 
You know, like it's just, it's. 

1196
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,760
Amazing that you're taking. 
Yeah, so look and I, I'm like 

1197
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,920
it's taking longer than 
expected, but also I think I 

1198
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,080
need to do this really well. 
And I think transgender all at 

1199
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,120
the time I launched a little bit
too soon. 

1200
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,080
I wanted to like get it out 
there, but I now want to do it 

1201
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,800
properly, have our own location 
as quickly as possible. 

1202
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,280
I have as many services as 
possible. 

1203
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,040
Figure this out, right? 
Two of my practitioners really 

1204
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,040
want to be on boards as well, 
Tony and Zane. 

1205
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,120
And like, you know, I've got 
amazing trans people working at 

1206
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,960
a business, Francis being one of
them. 

1207
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,760
And it's so inclusive, like as 
soon as you walk in, it's just 

1208
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,080
so inclusive. 
Like even as a gay woman, like 

1209
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,320
always felt very, very welcome 
there because it's such a kind 

1210
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,840
of like straight girly kind of 
thing before as well. 

1211
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,520
I feel like going to the clinic 
like the mums would. 

1212
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,760
Go no, exactly. 
You know, and it used to always 

1213
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,640
be like that and like I never 
wanted the clinic to feel 

1214
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,320
gendered in any way, you know, 
like we even have like straight 

1215
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,120
CIS man Boo, you know what I 
mean? 

1216
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,640
Like I'm just. 
Joking, they get charged double.

1217
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,360
Well, you know, they're they're 
like everybody comes, you know, 

1218
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,280
everybody's comes to the clinic.
Like I always say, like where 

1219
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,240
every every other clinic focuses
on one demographic. 

1220
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,200
Yeah, the one, you know, the 
slightly older and stuff. 

1221
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,040
We focus on everybody else. 
So you. 

1222
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,920
Can definitely feel it when 
you're in there. 

1223
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,840
There's never been a moment 
where I appreciate I would ever 

1224
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,120
feel uncomfortable or not. 
Welcome. 

1225
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,640
No, you know, and like, 
sometimes it's lovely to hear 

1226
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,120
even feedback from for my 
practitioners. 

1227
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,440
You know, that's what I 
literally do it for like when 

1228
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,000
they send me messages as well or
we get refused. 

1229
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,320
My practitioner are like, oh, 
today I don't think I I treated 

1230
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,000
a single non sis or non career 
person. 

1231
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,200
I was like, great, you know, 
fabulous. 

1232
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,960
But you know, I mean they, they,
they tell me that experiences I 

1233
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,280
had like this one non binary 
person, 1-2 trans men. 

1234
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,120
And then you know what I mean? 
Like just say hearing about your

1235
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,120
day and how it like. 
Make them feel better about 

1236
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,040
their day. 
Make the people feel better, 

1237
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,000
like you. 
Just, you know, it feels 

1238
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,000
incredible, you know? 
It's much better than just your 

1239
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,080
run of the old male like 50 year
old housewife that just like on 

1240
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,640
repeat, they all look the same, 
exactly the same story and they 

1241
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,480
all hate their husbands. 
Yeah, yeah, that is great. 

1242
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,840
And I think, I mean, looking, 
looking at it from like an 

1243
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,080
outsider's perspective as well. 
I've noticed that like it's 

1244
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,840
funny that we talked that the 
world is centred around men 

1245
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,480
because it is like around CIS 
straight white men. 

1246
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,800
The world is just centred around
them. 

1247
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:04,400
And two things I wanted to say 
was men only ever have a problem

1248
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,800
with men when they want to 
transition into a woman. 

1249
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,200
I feel like they start to be 
like OK. 

1250
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,080
That's the only. 
That's the. 

1251
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,960
It's like, oh, OK, this is an 
easy target now, like this is a 

1252
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,000
trans woman. 
Now we're going to go for them. 

1253
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,120
But as a man, No, but there's 
there seems to be quite a big 

1254
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,240
theme around this because I'm 
not by the way, I'm not nobody 

1255
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,640
come for me. 
I'm not saying that trans men 

1256
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,240
don't get hate because they 
definitely do. 

1257
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,480
But when we're talking about 
headlines, when we're talking 

1258
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,760
about pitchforking, it's always 
for the trans women always. 

1259
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,320
And so that's one thing that 
always kind of it, it sparks 

1260
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,360
something in my brain because I 
go, this isn't just about trans 

1261
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,200
people. 
This is this is a very fuelled 

1262
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,040
agenda here. 
It's also wrapped within 

1263
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,920
misogyny. 
For sure. 

1264
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:55,880
Because nobody hates women more 
than these ugly straight sis, 

1265
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,760
white men. 
They're always ugly. 

1266
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,280
Yeah. 
They just, they, they don't, you

1267
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,680
know, And I think that there's a
real lack of respect there. 

1268
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,560
And it's it's the tailors oldest
time as people hating things 

1269
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,240
that they can't understand or 
something that they're scared 

1270
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,200
of. 
And and what's to be scared of? 

1271
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,200
Literally fuck all. 
Literally fuck yeah. 

1272
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,320
I think that hating people is 
never going to make you gain us 

1273
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,920
go away. 
It's never going to make your 

1274
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,560
gender dysphoria go away. 
But I'm talking about these men,

1275
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,400
by the way. 
Yeah, they it's all riddled 

1276
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,080
within them, you know. 
Yeah, look like, I don't even 

1277
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,920
know how to approach this, but 
it's like, you know, let's hope 

1278
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,680
it just gets better. 
And I, I feel like, you know, 

1279
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,640
the only way to do that is 
actually by positive 

1280
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,440
representation. 
And you know, I mean, like also 

1281
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,800
showing that trans people are 
just literally people trying to 

1282
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,880
live their lives. 
You know what I mean? 

1283
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:50,160
Like we're just literally trying
to exist and just be like, Trump

1284
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,400
you. 
Just want to shoot everyone. 

1285
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,200
Yeah. 
Do you know all the shooters are

1286
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,480
trans and like what do you mean?
Oh my God, yeah. 

1287
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,520
With that Kirk guy that that it 
was something was trans. 

1288
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,200
The bullet was trans. 
The bullets were trans, the gun 

1289
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,760
was trans, the rumour trans it 
was. 

1290
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,080
Insane, it was insane. 
Such a reach. 

1291
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,960
But yeah, it's just yeah, I 
mean, look, we've we've got it 

1292
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,720
bad now, but hopefully I feel 
like the only way to to change 

1293
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,200
it is like to change the 
narrative and like, you know, to

1294
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,160
to have positive representation 
and look, I never tried to focus

1295
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,720
on anything too negative. 
I'm just like, look, we there's 

1296
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,600
just work to be done here, you 
know what I mean? 

1297
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,440
Like, let's focus on the 
positives here. 

1298
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,320
You don't always want to feel 
like you're fighting just to be 

1299
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,360
yourself, either right or to be 
accepted. 

1300
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,040
I think exactly. 
It's representation is just so 

1301
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,040
important. 
And that's up to a lot of 

1302
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,640
agencies put it out there. 
But then that's why we love 

1303
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,240
having such free media with the 
podcast, because for us, we can 

1304
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,240
do whatever we want. 
I haven't got anybody saying you

1305
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,560
can't do this. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1306
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,760
And so the more, and I'm really 
hoping I know that the lessons 

1307
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,080
will absolutely love you and 
fall in love with you, but it's 

1308
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,440
being able to to put people like
you out there that is such a 

1309
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:03,240
positive representation. 
And like Francis as well, had to

1310
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,560
get your next deeper, deeper in 
the corner. 

1311
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,080
But but obviously all of the 
other beautiful transference 

1312
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,040
that I do have too. 
And I think that being able to 

1313
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,640
like showcase that and not be 
like, this is not a spectacle. 

1314
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,880
This is not something that's so 
like heinous or out of the 

1315
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,520
ordinary or scary or whatever. 
Like I said, people are always 

1316
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,840
scared of what they don't know. 
They don't know it because they 

1317
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,440
haven't. 
Seen it and exactly. 

1318
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,480
Able to see it is so important. 
And one last question I wanted 

1319
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,400
to ask you as well. 
So I know that obviously your 

1320
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,480
experience of of when you were 
younger growing up, like as a 

1321
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,520
boy, I know that it was quite 
well. 

1322
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,840
It was very difficult, very 
difficult to say the least. 

1323
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,000
And you'd obviously written your
letters very, very early on in 

1324
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,320
life at six years old and you'd 
kind of understood that. 

1325
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:49,280
However, kind of putting all of 
that aside, do you feel like 

1326
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,240
there was a difference in the 
way that you were treated when 

1327
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,880
you were presenting as a man 
versus presenting as a woman? 

1328
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,920
Or do you think that you had 
your blinkers on a little bit 

1329
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,520
too much in the kind of like a 
self? 

1330
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,840
Yes, expectations were you know,
you'd notice that expectations 

1331
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,240
are way lower and now they're 
transitions. 

1332
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,240
But like, and literally like one
of my, the sisters of one of my 

1333
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,240
best friends growing up, she 
always said to she was a 

1334
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:21,560
beautiful blonde woman. 
And she said people 

1335
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:25,200
underestimating me because of 
like what I look like is my 

1336
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,680
biggest superpower. 
And I found that really powerful

1337
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,120
and I always. 
Remember, I love that. 

1338
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,280
Actually, because like, you 
know, she would always prove 

1339
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,920
them wrong and like, you know, 
she was super smart super, but 

1340
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,160
like she literally was like we 
will always underestimate me, 

1341
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,440
but like I will, I will use that
to my advantage. 

1342
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,640
Think I'm a bit though, yeah. 
You know what I mean? 

1343
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,360
And like, that's also like the 
way I always like approach that.

1344
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:53,720
And I, I'm really glad that she,
you know, that I remembered that

1345
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,160
because like it's, it's true. 
People, the expectations are way

1346
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,200
less sometimes to our detriment.
Like, you know, when we have 

1347
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,600
builders in our into our clinic,
they literally, you know, think 

1348
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,680
that we are too. 
You know, me and my sister are 

1349
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,480
too stupid bimbles that are 
standing there. 

1350
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,920
They have no idea. 
But we now know what's what's 

1351
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,680
up. 
You know, maybe it was the first

1352
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,160
clinic nots but. 
Just. 

1353
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,800
For a second one, I turned 
around. 

1354
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,400
We now know what's up and yeah, 
I, I noticed getting 

1355
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,600
underestimated. 
Fortunately, I noticed that in 

1356
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,880
that, that, but often in most 
things, I try to use that to my 

1357
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,760
advantage because it's, you 
know, it's really powerful as 

1358
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,280
well to, to prove people wrong 
in a way, you know what I mean? 

1359
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,880
Like. 
But before your transition, did 

1360
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,840
you feel like you could get away
with doing less and being 

1361
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,680
praised for it, or do you think 
it was actually the opposite? 

1362
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,760
Because I do also think that 
there's a lot of pressure. 

1363
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,800
There's a lot. 
Yeah, I, I mean, look, there's 

1364
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,560
indeed there's a lot of, there's
a lot of pressure. 

1365
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,600
And did you feel safer or not 
really? 

1366
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,880
No, I'd, I'd like as in like 
safer, like even like being out 

1367
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,440
and about. 
Yeah, like walking down the 

1368
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,000
street. 
I mean, for sure, yes, OK, 

1369
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,040
obviously, yeah. 
I mean, look, you know, you just

1370
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,920
know what obviously you're 
you're a target, right? 

1371
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,880
Like as AI think a lesson you 
learn very quickly as a trans 

1372
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:13,840
woman, as a woman, you're lichy.
You know, a target perfs to 

1373
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,800
creepers to to everybody. 
You know, it's like at the end 

1374
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,240
of the day, even as an 
effeminate male and stuff like 

1375
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,240
you, you're just a quicker 
target and then everybody else 

1376
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,000
you're just, I don't even 
remember any moments because I 

1377
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,800
never was like a masculine man 
or something, you know what I 

1378
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:30,840
mean? 
I don't. 

1379
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,120
Probably get more dangerous. 
Yeah, like literally, I don't 

1380
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:37,320
remember a time where I was 
like, you know, so I, I feel 

1381
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,200
like I was, I've always been a 
bit of a target anyway. 

1382
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,880
And like I've always felt, you 
know, we, I think every girl, 

1383
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:48,520
unfortunately, most girls 
growing up, they were very 

1384
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:53,280
quickly or effeminate males or 
whatever they feel they, they 

1385
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,200
learn very quickly. 
You have to be vigilant, you 

1386
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,480
know, like, even in, in a taxi 
and like, you know, there's, 

1387
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,280
there's creepers everywhere. 
God I know fight or flight is 

1388
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,880
fully activated. 
All time, actually, you know, 

1389
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,440
and at night, like, you can't 
just go alone on the street. 

1390
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,400
You have to be vigilant at all 
times, unfortunately. 

1391
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,400
Yeah. 
Have you got the heels on 

1392
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,600
though? 
Except for like, yeah, you could

1393
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:19,319
do some damage, yeah. 
I'm also quite tall and stuff. 

1394
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,880
Just one little like. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1395
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,880
But yeah, look, yeah, I mean. 
But there's not like notable 

1396
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,040
different, I think like you were
saying, because you are more 

1397
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,399
effeminate then it's not like 
I'm asking some like expertly 

1398
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,880
like man, that is a very, very 
strong difference. 

1399
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,399
Caitlyn. 
Caitlyn on it. 

1400
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,840
Bruce Jenner? 
Probably no, Didn't have all 

1401
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,439
that growing up, but yeah, I 
know. 

1402
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,520
I think I've always felt quite. 
Scared. 

1403
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,520
I've been scared since day one. 
Literally so. 

1404
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:52,319
So yeah, there's not that much 
difference. 

1405
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:54,600
I mean, I think it's, it's so 
interesting because obviously 

1406
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,279
I've known you for years on my 
like fleeting visits to 

1407
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,000
injectable, but never known your
story. 

1408
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,520
And it's really admirable. 
And the way in which you handled

1409
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,399
it is incredible. 
And now what you've done with 

1410
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:09,040
your pain, with your time, with 
your experiences, and actually 

1411
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,760
poured it into something that is
so powerful and is life 

1412
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:13,880
changing. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1413
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,160
And it has a mixture of your 
passions, but also your past. 

1414
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,000
And so it means it's something 
that's so close to to your 

1415
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,080
heart. 
And that's for sure. 

1416
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,800
That's when you know that you're
doing the right thing and. 

1417
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,960
I also just literally genuinely 
love it. 

1418
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,880
Yeah, I literally love the 
business and I love the people 

1419
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,040
that work for it and I love what
we do and stuff. 

1420
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,040
So it's like, yeah, no, it's, I 
mean, look, it's it's and I even

1421
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,399
the industry and so I really, 
really genuinely have such a 

1422
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:39,760
passion for it so. 
Oh God, everyone's got to sign 

1423
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,120
up to injection right now. 
Do you know how many people ask 

1424
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,160
me? 
They they always ask me like, 

1425
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:45,439
what did you have done? 
What did you have done? 

1426
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,840
And I have. 
I will tell them everything 

1427
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,800
always. 
I hate so many people gatekeep. 

1428
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:51,800
Oh my God. 
It's like the people who have 

1429
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,000
suddenly all lost like 2 stone 
and they're like, no, I'm not an

1430
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,040
Ozempic. 
What do you mean? 

1431
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,280
Yes, you are. 
Yes you are, Rachel. 

1432
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,280
And that's fine, Rachel. 
You've been trying to lose 

1433
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,200
weight for 10 years that I've 
known you and all of a sudden 

1434
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,360
you've dropped it and you're not
on his end. 

1435
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:05,320
Oh my God, no. 
I'm a. 

1436
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,960
I'm a I'm a I'm. 
A big believer for. 

1437
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,360
For medical aesthetics in 
general, like I I like I'm a I'm

1438
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,280
the example for medical 
aesthetic. 

1439
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:17,400
I'm I'm mate for medical 
aesthetics, you know, like even 

1440
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,680
now I can do Monjaro and stuff 
even like I I Michael the 

1441
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,520
Dositan stuff because I hate to 
do. 

1442
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,600
Hungry. 
It's your. 

1443
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,480
Microdosos. 
I think that's the funniest. 

1444
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:28,320
Thing. 
Yeah, I'm microdose Manjaro. 

1445
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,600
I love it. 
How do you what just a little 

1446
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,560
bit and you're like a small. 
Dose of gels 1 pen lost me like 

1447
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,680
3 or 4 months. 
It's amazing because I would 

1448
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,760
have footnose as well, like you 
know, I like otherwise I'm 

1449
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,000
sitting in the front. 
Of a busy woman. 

1450
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,640
In front of So Fun, I'm like, 
oh, you know, I keep eating and 

1451
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,080
I'm just like, oh, I cancel it. 
Out I said this celeb, I said 

1452
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,720
now that I'm not in my like 
going out every night era, I'm 

1453
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,280
actually gaining weight because 
now I'm just like watching TV 

1454
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,280
later on and then I'm like. 
You're on the pen, we can't get 

1455
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,360
you on the pen micro doses. 
Yeah, literally. 

1456
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,280
And I'm like, God, why am I 
getting up to the kitchen for 

1457
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:02,800
like the fifth time? 
Because I'm bored. 

1458
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,160
That's why he's yelling about 
talking you. 

1459
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,560
Don't have to. 
Nobody forced me to the kitchen.

1460
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,640
Exactly. 
Nobody like you don't have to. 

1461
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,920
We. 
Yeah, You're the bed, you know. 

1462
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,800
What I know that's why I love 
the ADHD medications it, well, I

1463
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,520
call it my Ozempic because it 
completely takes your desire 

1464
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,120
away from food. 
Oh, here we go. 

1465
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,480
Highly. 
It's amazing, all of them, That 

1466
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:24,920
an Ozempic. 
You'll never see me ever again. 

1467
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,320
I'll turn to the side of it. 
By sprayer. 

1468
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:27,160
Yeah. 
No, but I. 

1469
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,720
No, but I like I don't, I don't 
want to you know, I don't want 

1470
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,600
to be hyper skinny. 
I don't want, you know what I 

1471
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:34,080
mean? 
I just. 

1472
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,720
I also don't want that hot. 
I don't. 

1473
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,920
I don't like this kind of new 
trend where everyone's getting 

1474
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,960
like heroin chic, skinny. 
No, exactly. 

1475
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,400
It doesn't look good. 
Because I still love to eat too 

1476
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:43,760
much as well. 
You know what I mean? 

1477
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,560
Like I'm just and at another 
day. 

1478
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,200
This also true. 
I like I am really busy so I'm 

1479
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,840
like that pen really helps to 
just keep me. 

1480
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,000
You've given me an idea. 
Thank you very much. 

1481
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,480
You'll feel literally. 
Yeah, no, literally injectualism

1482
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,400
pics. 
They're like, I yeah, I think 

1483
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,440
whenever somebody asks me 
whatever I've had done, I do 

1484
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:03,840
yeah. 
I never get to keep anything. 

1485
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,480
I'm like, please just take a 
look at this list. 

1486
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,120
And there's no, there's no, no 
shame in it. 

1487
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,680
No, no. 
Well, Joel, thank you so much 

1488
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,680
for coming on. 
Thanks for having me. 

1489
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,640
And guys, I'm going to put all 
of Joel's Instagram. 

1490
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,560
Have you got TikTok? 
Yeah, we've got, well, I don't 

1491
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,080
injectionally inject, Yeah. 
Fantastic. 

1492
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,400
Well, I'll put all of it in the 
buyer so you guys can have a 

1493
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,440
little and become just as 
obsessed as well as we are. 

1494
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:29,360
Oh. 
What's the outro by lesbian? 

1495
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,520
Bye, lesbian. 
We love you lesbians. 

1496
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,280
We'll speak to you next week. 
Bye. 

1497
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:35,080
Bye, Caitlin. 
Yes. 

1498
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:37,320
Fuck you, Caitlin.