Hello lesbians, and hello to my beautiful, beautiful friend Isa.
Hello, Isabel. I am so excited to be here.
They have been dangling this carrot in front of my face for
years. I've been waiting to get you in
this chair. That what is funny guys.
Obviously if you're not watching this, we are sat in Isa's studio
and I haven't even had her over to my place.
I'm completely in your territory, but maybe this is
just where you feel a little bit safer.
Yeah, and also your place. I know quite.
Well, you do. Well, yeah.
For those who are listening as well.
Isa and Mellie, very, very good friends.
They were living together for what, 6 years?
Yes, in the place where I'm now living and I've taken over.
I kicked them out and I was like, this is mine now, bitch.
Yeah. So now she's not allowed to step
back in. Your house.
Every time that I go, she's waiting with like a bucket, like
boiling water. Yeah, no, I just stand by the
door with the door open. Are you gonna leave?
Oh, yeah. So, guys, I feel like, God, have
we? I feel like me and Scarlett have
probably spoken about you and Mellie and so many different
occasions, but maybe never actually mentioned you by name.
No. But I want to give a quick
little back story as to who Isa is before we go into today's
episode as well. So me and Scarlett were big fans
of the dog park of Notting Hill and this was, would you say
about what, four years ago now? It was probably 5 because it was
like in the midst. It was like lockdown time.
Yeah, maybe 2021. Yeah.
Yeah, around 2020-2021, and we were always going around Notting
Hill with the dog and going to the dog park and we would see
Mellie and Isa from afar and be too socially anxious to actually
say hello because we found them quite intimidating.
And they're both really hot and tall and really fit, right.
So we were kind of, we kept looking at each other and we're
like, they've got a shared dog. They're always wearing gym
flows. They're gay, like 100% they're
gay. And we had, I mean, it kind of
comes into what I'm about to say, which is like everyone had
nicknames for one another, so. Because we are.
We were all our dog's parents. Because we didn't know, no one
knew each. Other nobody.
Nobody remembers their names. It would just be the dog's mom
or dog's parent. Yeah, yeah.
So they came over and they were like, oh, we had many knees are
down as the hot lesbians, but now you've taken over as the hot
lesbians are now there the sport, you lesbians.
And we were like, we fucking knew it.
We were like, we knew that they were together.
This is great fucking news. Anyway, a few months have gone
past and I think you guys have been Mia hadn't seen you in
ages. We had just stepped outside of
Gales and we saw Isa in all of her glory, all 6 foot 5 of you
walking down the road in your gym gear and Rabbit your dog.
And we were like, oh, hi. And we actually had a
conversation and I was starstruck.
I was like, I can't wait to be this girl's friend.
So I was like, how about we go for like a, a drink sometime or
something, like really anxiously, like do you want to
hang out? Which, little do you know, I was
at Starstruck. And also I had made-up my own
thing of like, OK, one of you was a jewelry designer and the
other one was a furniture designer.
And this was not just vibes. These were facts in my brain.
Yeah. And I was like many, because
obviously me and Mellie thought that everybody thought we were
lesbians. I was like, we're not the cool
lesbians anymore. We've been demoted to sporty
late lesbians because now there's like this stunning
couple. That's fine.
Do you? Know that we were gay before.
1000% like I'm sorry but you're not very like you lead with it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lead lesbian first.
Yeah, so I completely leaned into it too.
And when you asked me, I was like, well, let's wait for
Mellie to be back and then. Well, yeah, you did.
You said. Oh, well, yeah, I'd love to go
for a drink. How about we wait until Mellie's
back and me and Scarlett look at each other?
OK. Yeah.
Mellie girlfriend. Cool.
She's waiting for her to come back for us to go on like a
double date. Yeah.
Amazing. Can't wait.
And Long story short. As I walked away, I sent Mellie
a voice note saying like, I hope you don't mind.
I just signed us up for a double date with the cool lesbians.
Yeah. What?
Did Mellie reply? Fuck no, I don't want to.
Go no. She was like, Oh my God,
amazing. I'm actually can't wait.
Like, now that I know Mellie, I'm so blessed that she even
went for those first drinks. Yeah.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
Like now that I know many of them how like.
She loved it. She.
Did she loved the attention? Yeah, she fucking loves the
attention. And then we So we went for a
drink a couple of weeks later and you girls were both in
fucking matching denim. It was like denim on denim, both
of you. No, she was denim on denim.
I was probably wearing a tea. You had a cowboy hat?
On like a banty, yeah, and up and down I'm.
Sorry, you both dressed for the occasion.
You both dress to the occasion. My cousin told me that I do look
like a lesbian when I wear my bandana with my band.
You look like a lesbian when you're with your wife.
That was all it was. Yeah.
So we that gave it away, sat down and we start talking.
Means that Scarlett start talking about a lot of gay shit.
And then it turns out that they're not gay.
I mean, I said, well, how long have you guys been together?
And they're like, oh, well, we're not together.
And I was like, oh, OK, well. Then you're gay then.
No, we're not gay either. I was.
The thing is that Nelly kept looking at me like you break the
news. I was like why?
Why am I? Why am I even?
Like, I'm liking the attention. Yeah.
Just be my wife. But yeah.
So ever since then though, we have been best friends and I
absolutely love them both. And I love you.
And Isa has now started her own podcast, which is the We Found
Therapy podcast. Nice plug, thank you.
Wait. Hold on.
And just like that we found therapy podcast.
I'm not gonna say it right. I've actually had we.
Found Therapy Pod. You can find us on TikTok and
Instagram. Don't worry, I was gonna get you
to all that. Yeah, you're all good.
But yeah, no, she is amazing. And it's got such a cool concept
behind it and it's about going through the episodes of Sex and
the City and basically kind of analysing the behaviours and
understanding the behaviours behind relationships and love
and sex. And you have on some amazing
people too, like sex therapists and relationship therapists and
therapists in general. And it's all about debunking
that. Yeah.
Of the pathetic female, too. Or like all the stereotype in
which we have to kind of follow. I feel like the world has always
been set out, especially for straight people.
It's very, very different. And in a way, it's very freeing
that lesbians don't have this, that kind of blueprint of the
steps that you should follow. But at the same time, it also
does leave you a little bit like, oh, what the fuck am I
supposed to do? But then I think with the
straight people, it's like you are indoctrinated from like day
one of just like the tick boxing.
By this age you should have this and by this age you should have
this. And I think that it's really
damaging. And I think that you doing that
through the podcast is amazing. Like I really, really love it.
And she's obviously having on a couple of times.
So I enjoy being on the other side of the mic.
It is weird to be on this side. Yeah, I mean, you're talking to
so many lesbians right now. How do you feel?
I feel empowered, I and I feel safe.
Yeah, you feel safe? Yeah, well, I feel safe because
he's also just maybe some watermelon with tahini.
So she's a fucking legend, but and she also took me to the gym
a few days ago. I was having a bit of a a shit
morning. I bumped into Isa.
She was like, I'm going to the gym.
I was like, I should go to the gym.
She was like, do you want to come?
I shouldn't have said yes, but I did say yes, yeah.
And. I What are the odds?
Afraid of being in gym gear on a Monday morning?
What are the odds? Yeah, I always walk around just
in gym gear. No way to go.
But I I've never been worked
harder in my life. It was fun though.
It was fun. My body hated me for a few days
afterwards. I couldn't move.
Oh, but come on, I'd like I couldn't move either.
But saying something, Yeah, Yeah.
But if you guys aren't seeing Isa right now, she is a unit
like you are so strong, like you are like I would never want to
fight you. You are ridiculously.
Strong. You better not.
But I had to become it. I had to become it.
Yeah, you did. Well, tomorrow I'm going to get
to see you in a bikini, so it's all going to pay off.
There you go. OK, so I'm striving until
tomorrow. I'm going to take loads of
photos and put it on the noses. We've become the predatory man.
I'm like, Oh my friend. There she is, yeah.
Well, I just love the fact as well that we, we are also part
of this like Notting Hill crew too.
So there's quite a few of us within the support group and one
of them, Diane French. Diane is having people over on
on her terrace tomorrow, which would be lovely because it's a
heat wave. It is Satan's crotch.
It is so off, right? And you told me earlier she's
having a pool party. Yeah.
She's just no pool. Like there's no pool but.
But she's going to have a paddling pool.
So I was like fair and a host. But then Diane, being Diane,
goes water installation. She puts it in the group chat.
I've got a water installation. It's still in the works.
Well, it's like how she calls the corner shop a deli opposite
her house. She's like, I'm just going to go
to the deli Deli. It's a corner shop, Diane.
Yeah. And I love that, Yeah.
I love that. So we're going for the water
installation. So yeah, I feel like we should
do like one podcast today and then a podcast after.
Totally, if we're still alive, because I think we're going to
fry like. I think so.
I think that paddling pool is going to, it's just going to
have no water in it by the end. No, but I hope.
I hope we get ice for the paddling pool.
I think that's a good shot. That's a really good idea.
Yeah. OK.
Well, all of that being said, I've got ease on here for a very
special, special quest, which is to ask a lesbian all of the
things that a straight woman or that maybe you thought you'd
want to ask a lesbian. And there is nothing of the
cards. And I will be as grotesque with
my answers as possible. I wouldn't want it any other
way. And you know, podcaster amateur
that I am, I have notes. OK.
And there's even like little emojis with Prothean.
OK, so light and fun. Ice Breakers, wink emoji, fire
emoji. OK, what's the lesbian
equivalent of he's not that into you?
Is there such a thing in the girl world?
He's not that into you. The thing is is that the
lesbians don't really do it where the girl kind of like
isn't into her. She'll either be like into her
in some kind of forbidden love way, or they'll get together and
one of them will die. Oh, you know what?
Disobedience. What do you mean?
This OK, so disobedience. No, not disobedience.
Hold on. Not that one.
No, there's one that's called lost and delirious, OK.
And it's not as fun as he's just not that into.
It's actually quite depressing. OK, But the girl ends up just
not being into her and then she kills herself.
Is that a common? Is that common we development?
OK so the only kind of like wrong comedy ish thing that we
have is imagine. Oh, you're talking about a
movie? Yeah, well, oh, sorry, are you
not thinking of the movie? He's just not that into you.
No, I was thinking like kids, the way that I see it.
Oh do. You mean like a saying?
Yeah. Oh, I thought you meant the
film. I was like, we don't have a film
like that. I wish we did.
No. But like, do you know what I
mean? That sometimes US straight women
do fall into situation ships because at the end of the day
testosterone drives men, Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I know what it is. I know that.
Yeah. OK, so you say he's just not
that into two girls. We say she's not an avoidant.
That's like the thing. It's like she's not really an
avoidant. She just doesn't like she.
Just doesn't like you. Like, because lesbians will come
up with any excuse under the sun as to why the girl won't like
her. And then it's like, oh, it's
different attachment styles and she's actually just an avoidant.
And no, she just doesn't like you.
Got it? Yeah.
OK. But that's a lot like that shows
a lot already of like you guys have gone to therapy.
No, Avoid an attachment style and all that.
Crap. Yeah, yeah, we, we know our
shit. How refreshing.
We know how to. We know how to describe our a
terrible behaviour. OK, what's the gayest thing
you've done this week? Oh, the gayest thing I've done
this week. Hold on because there's a lot
that's going on through My was pretty gay.
I line biked, which I think is already pretty gay into Soho gay
to see Fletcher gay gay you're I have looked up how to build a
bench. I got a girl to Chuck a rug out
for me. That's kind of gay.
I went to the gym with you. That's probably right up there,
actually. Anyone that goes to the gym with
me is just playing gay gay super.
Gay. It was a very gay gay
experience. Yeah, OK, that's pretty gay.
I know I've done gay this week but I can't think off the top of
my head. Showing up in like a blank in a
black in a white T-shirt and then changing to a white beater.
I know, pretty gay. That was pretty gay.
The fact that I'm wearing Adidas sports shorts right now and flip
flops gay. That's.
The Pretty gay OK, who was your lesbian awakening?
It was Angelina Jolie in Tomb Raider and also Miss Honey from
Matilda. I get it.
Do you know what I? Mean I get it.
Although Miss Honey with those dresses.
It was the way that she was. So like, do you know what it
was? It was how she would get up
close to Matilda. And I would, like, have to say
it so that people can hear it in the mind.
But get up to him and she'd be like, so what's 1 + 1?
And like, she'd always be, like, whispering to her, like, very
intensely. And like, yeah, I know that
Matilda was a kid. OK, Don't make it weird.
But like, I was a kid and I was thinking, I want to be Matilda.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK, so none of the Elizabeth, Hurley said.
Like she's the demon or she's the devil, whatever.
No. OK.
And none of that kind of stuff. Did you ever?
Have a lesbian awakening. As a straight woman.
I mean. Did you ever look at a woman and
go? Yes, and I'll tell you why
'cause like, I was always waiting for my boobs to grow,
OK, And they never came in. Yeah.
So I would look into the TV and like, always fixate in girls
with, like, big boobs. And when Lizzie McGuire or
Hannah Montana had the episode about them getting the first
prom like. I think I.
Eventually make peace with it at 18 like it took a while.
So you were kind of looking at them more in the way of like, I
want to be like them, not I want to be with them, you know?
Yeah. Yeah.
That, that checks out. Yeah.
But like, I feel like we like, as women, I can have that, too.
Like there's so many times where I look at a woman, it's not like
I can look at her and admire her beauty and be like, I want to be
like you, but I don't want to be with you.
Got it. Just there's only certain ones
that I want to be with, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Lizzie McGuire actually was one
of them. I really fancied her.
She was such a cutie, such a cutie.
OK, you hold. Jokes aside, what's your actual
timeline for moving in with someone?
Way over a year, way over, like maybe like a year and a half, at
least that minimum. When did you and Scarlett?
OK, look, we were young. We were.
Younger. We were young, so we got
together in the November and I think I moved in around like the
March. So like, really not long.
But it was a very, very specific situation.
And we were also in our early 20s and there was no contract to
the flat, OK. So it felt a bit less risky,
like she was already living there.
And it was kind of like ad hoc, you know, it worked until it
didn't. Fair, yeah, but it was a good
six. Years.
It was a great six years, yeah. So I felt like it worked out.
OK, on to Dayton and romance heart with an arrow emoji.
What's a green flag in a woman that straight women totally
miss? Wait, what's a green flag in a
woman? In a woman?
In a woman. Yeah, like for instance, a green
flag in a guy for me will be like, oh, you know, he's kind to
his mother or he puts the lid of the.
OK, so I've said this time and time again, a top tier quality
man is a very low tier quality woman.
But like that I know. Yeah.
So that is beyond the bare minimum.
Yeah. You know, I feel like a green
flag for me is, is really good emotional understanding and also
giving space to talk. Giving space to talk within
women is actually very, very hard to find.
And finding someone who will sit there and let you talk,
especially when you're talking about like kind of like tough
subject and not straight away jump and be like, oh, well,
clearly, you know what I mean? Like that for me is a huge green
flag. And I think as well, what else
would I say is a great green flag?
I think honestly being appreciative because there's
actually like there's so many things that you can do and, and
especially like being a woman and being a person like me who
like, I do go above and beyond like quite a lot just within my
nature, Like with anything really.
And actually having that appreciated, like having that
appreciated and even like the tiny things, that's like a major
green flag for me because I'm like, oh, you're not just
expecting this and you're not just, you feel like you're
entitled to it. Do you know what I mean?
To be nurtured. To be nurtured.
Yeah, OK. Are there any rules about who
makes the first move? Because I know there's different
types of lesbians. Yeah.
Would there be like a, you know, silent agreement that a mask
will make the first move? So I think that some women feel
this way. OK, some women do feel this way,
but I would always say absolutely not.
And The thing is I am like femme for femme.
So I'm a femme and I like femme girls.
So there's not this stereotype of like the mask and the yeah,
and the femme. But also like notoriously, like
masks are very soft. Like, they're very soft and
really, like, don't really take the reins as much as maybe a
femme would. It's just like down to person.
I always think that it should just be equal, like honestly.
I'm quite forthcoming though as a person, you know.
OK, what's the worst date you've ever been on with another woman?
Oh, what's the worst date? I'm really having to think back
because obviously, like, this was like way before Scarlett and
oh, oh, I know, fuck. So when I was younger, there was
this woman in her 30s, and she wouldn't tell me exactly her age
either, which is like, that's a red flag.
I was like, 22. And she came over to Windsor.
She got me a load of tequila shots.
We ended up coming back over to London.
She ended up getting a hotel after, like, quite a few drinks
out in Soho, Slept with her because just whatever.
Yeah. And then the next day, just kind
of like, continued to drink, like, went down to brunch from
the hotel. She leaves.
She's gone for ages. She comes back and she's crying.
She's saying her uncle has died. I'm then like, I'm sorry about
your uncle. I'm just sat here with my
poached egg. I don't know what to say hanging
out of my ass. I'm like, do you want to go and
get a drink or something like, you know, cheer you up?
And so she's like, yeah, yeah, I love that.
So we carry on drinking. And then she's like, I want you
to go to this party of mine. I was like, OK.
She's like, my friend is hosting a party.
So I was like, fine. By the way, she's Spanish
either. OK, first red flag.
First red flag should have known.
And then we we go over to her friend's place and it turns out
that she wanted me there because her ex was going to be there.
And yeah, that was. And then I had to just kind of
sit there all quickly while Sarah and Rex were just yelling
at one another. So I mean, when you're in your
early 20s, you really put up with some stupid shit.
Yeah, I mean the drama of it all.
The way I would have left after the first drink, like now in
today's world. But, you know, live with that,
yeah. OK, now I'm bringing a bit of
like the supper and your food things onto my questions.
Which lesbian character would you invite to a dinner party and
what would you serve? Lesbian character?
Yeah. Lesbian character or like
lesbian person either. Whoever you want most.
OK, I would definitely have Renee Rapp at my table.
Like, she's very fun. She's very loud and boisterous.
I would serve her. I'd have to serve her.
I feel like something quite greasy, you know, like I love to
cook, like healthy food, but I feel like for her.
The one that did Mean Girls too. Yeah.
OK, got it. I absolutely love her.
I feel like she'd actually really dig like a big roast
chicken and like, chew it straight off the fucking bone.
And some tacos, Yeah, I would do her tacos.
I'd fish tacos for her. What about a cocktail?
What do you think is the gayest cocktail somebody can order?
Oh, A. Beer.
Yeah, literally. A beer, probably like an maybe
like a Negroni is quite gay. I don't know why it is.
Negroni is Vaguelyatra. Yeah, yes, Vaguelyatra it is,
though it's pretty gay and so is like an old fashioned.
I'm so gay. You are so this is This is why I
got you on, because you're just you're just gay.
This. Is actually an intervention.
Actually, we ever kissed a girl? I've kissed.
You. No, you haven't.
Like a smooch. You have not smooched.
Is this is a Peck on the lips? Yeah, that's not making out.
You've never made out. You've never made out with a
girl. No, you've.
Never. Like full blown.
I am in awe. You've never done this?
I don't think so. With Tom.
Yeah. Like a proper make out?
No. What?
You're like the one person I've met that's never done that.
Really. Yes.
What I mean, I don't know. But when you come to Spain, to
my hometown, I'll you'll do this.
Just shut the fuck up, you've been in London for years, don't
blame Spain. It is.
It is rooted in me. What?
Like, I don't know, like don't be gay.
Just just like, don't be gay. Don't be gay.
How do you say don't be gay in Spanish?
Nosy as gay? Nosy as gay?
I love how they don't even have
a word for gay in Spanish. It's just still gay.
Oh no, it's. Slur.
Oh really? Yeah.
What? Nosy as Maricon or nosy as
Tortillera? Wow.
Yeah. I love how we're probably just
offending all the Spanish lessons right now.
I'm sorry, but like, but that's the I love tortilla.
You know how much I love tortilla and like the word for
lesbian in Spanish is tortillera.
Well, then you're basically a lesbian.
I am basically. But that's really interesting
though. So do you feel like maybe being
brought up like that, that gave you a fear like to not even be
open enough to kissing another girl?
The thing is that I remember when I went to college, like
sometimes I would kiss my friends but like more out of
like sheer joy. Like we're having so much fun
and like there's but like I was always like my favorite.
Yeah, sorry. My favorite things to do at
clubs 'cause I was like very kind of like wanted to go out
every single day and like, my favorite things to do was to get
like this shots at the bar called liquid cocaine.
Two of those and you would black out and then do what we call.
This is a. Boutiweltas, which is like the
horror lap OK to check out for the guy of the week that I
wanted to hook up with I was busy I hadn't you I'm.
Busy. You were so busy you didn't even
do the agenda of making out with girls to get the guys
interested, which by the way, I hate.
But like, a lot of women do that.
Well, for that I am a feminist and I I will not.
Your sexuality is not a costume. It's not your costume, bitch.
I can't, I still can't get over this because my next question,
because I thought it was just going to be an obvious yes, my
next question was going to be have you set with a woman?
Imagine you're like, yeah, I've done that.
Well. Done.
There's no kissing. No, no.
Wow. Gosh, God, the more you know
that's crazy to me. Is it?
Because obviously I've slept with men.
Yeah, I've slept with many men with.
Many men. Many men.
Many. Many of them miss it.
Do no, no, see, now this I want you to ask.
Yeah. Like, OK, that is part of the
raunchy. Bit discussing with me so like I
no I do not miss it. There's a chilly, not safe word
questions. Love that.
Yeah, OK. Let's skip to that then, OK, So
have you ever slept for the man? Did you ever miss it?
What is it about a man that you don't like?
OK, so do you mean just in general or just sleep with?
In general, because like there's something like, is it the smell?
Is it the emotionally unavailability?
Is it the? It's the gender, it's the
gender, it's just the gender. Like I, I can appreciate a good
looking man. I, I am very sensitive to how
they smell as well. Like I like when I smell a man,
I'm like, oh, like unless he's obviously wearing like a nice
aftershave or whatever, like that's great.
But just the general smell of a man, I'm like even a masculine
smelling woman. I'm like, no, interesting.
And it's not just that. It's, it's the attraction,
right? It's like, I just don't feel
that thing that is like, Oh yeah, I fancy you.
Oh yeah, I want to have sex with you all.
Yeah, I'd like to share my life. And I could never, ever see that
with a man. Like I could never.
And I can't get attached and I can't get attached to them in
that way. Like I had boyfriends.
Yeah. And I just didn't care.
I just didn't care. And I actually just thought I
was a cunt. Like I genuinely was just like,
I must be just a bitch. Like I don't care.
They probably loved you so. Much and the reason why I'd cry
when we break up was not because I was heartbroken.
It was more of a kind of like ego thing, like if they broke up
with me, I'd be like, what's wrong with me, you know, And,
and I'd start to really think in my head of me, like, God, I'm so
bad at this. Like I, I'm not a good
girlfriend, Like, and then it just turns out that I'm gay and
I actually just didn't give a fuck, you know?
And so and, and sleeping with men, absolutely not.
They are horrendous in bed. They are so bad.
But did you think they were horrendous when you didn't know
what's sleeping with a woman? Yeah.
I was no, actually. So I didn't have a good, I
didn't have a great time. But I thought that that was just
how everyone felt because especially in like movies and
stuff, it's always like, the woman is never really that mad
about sleeping with the guy and like, whatever.
Yeah. And I'd sleep with them and be
like, OK, I suppose I could just like put up with what this is
and I'm not repulsed. Do you know what I mean?
Like, I wasn't like, you know, I'm not, I'm not like crying,
but I was like, this just doesn't.
I was like, am I supposed to feel more, you know?
And then I slept with a woman and I was like.
Did you, did you dabble back into men or were you like, no,
this is my lane? No, I did OK because I was so
scared of being gay. So I was like, no, no, I'll,
I'll give this another try. I'll give it a good old college
try. Yeah.
And, and I and I forced myself back into that and I slept with
like a few guys after sleeping with like properly with the
first girl. And then I was like, OK, no, I
was like, no, I am, I am gay. Like I, I do not enjoy what this
is. And, and especially after
experiencing it with a woman, I was like, this is an entirely
different situation and women are so different in bed to men,
but women can satisfy women, I believe, sorry, but better than
men. I I do believe that they can
like, you know, the body better and like, yeah, you can, you can
wear a strap. Like if you're thinking like,
oh, when you say that, do you miss it?
Like I feel like you're saying, do you miss Dick?
Like you can wear a strap and you can pick whatever size you
want and you never have to feel like you are, you know, like you
could fall in love with the guy. He's got like a tiny Dick.
And then you're like, well, I'll just have to put up with this
then. You know, I would never.
You would never. But like, you know what I mean?
It's like you never even have to have that issue.
Yeah. You know, it's like you want a
bigger 1 today or you want. OK.
So that was one of my questions. Is there an equivalent of like,
size doesn't matter but in lesbian world?
Or, you know, like a tiny Dick. No, there's.
There's none of that. So there's no small Dick energy
that translates into. The bedroom, I think women.
If. OK, so so if the woman just
genuinely isn't very good in bed, then yeah, that would be
like the equivalent. But there's no equivalent in
terms, I don't think in terms of like any physical, like in terms
of a physical thing where you'd be like, Oh no, her like her
clip was too small. Like, do you know what I mean?
That's not something that we really think about.
Amazing. Yeah.
So there's not that issue and you can switch up sizes and you
can do whatever. And yeah.
OK so as a woman, do you think that there's ever amongst women
like oh I am scared of getting naked in front of her for the
first time because I'm self-conscious about my small
boobs or this boob is a lot larger than the other?
I think that women can make you feel a lot safer.
But I personally, like, I've always had, like I try and be as
confident as possible because I feel like confidence is sexy.
Yes. But I'm still like, ah, like,
especially when like women are so beautiful, like obviously all
shapes and sizes, but just like Steven with a hot gun and be
like, I wish that my body looked like yours.
Like sometimes that comes into my head and I'm like, ah, she's
not gonna like my body because it's nowhere near as good as
hers. Like, yeah, that's kind of where
my brain goes to. But in general, no.
And, and like, women just love women's bodies.
So it's just kind of like you feel very adored, you know?
Yeah. OK.
I have a question, going back into like sleeping with men and
whatnot, do you think that then there's something and you know,
maybe I'm stepping a bit too into like the woke of it all,
But like, have you ever been attracted to a trans woman?
Or do you think that there's something within the smell or
whatever it is that you feel that anatomically you're not
attracted to in a man that like you just cannot separate?
That's really that's a really interesting question because
also like a trans woman will go on like estrogen, so probably
wouldn't have that like smell, that testosterone smell that a
man has. Would I sleep with a trans woman
was post op yes. OK, so she was post operation
100%. I see trans women as women, but
pre OP just for me, like personally, just because I don't
know, I that's a struggle. But I'm also not saying no.
I'm just saying I don't think so.
But I would certainly date a trans woman.
Yeah, I wouldn't like, you know, I feel like if the energy is
right. Damage do you think lesbian porn
has done to you guys and do you ever dis like get into or land
with maybe a straight girl that is dabbling into the gay world
and you're like, oh, I see, I see that where you did your
research. Yeah, I I think that lesbian
porn is nothing like lesbian sex.
So me and my lesbian friends, but find me a lesbian who
watches it. Like no one, No lesbian watches
lesbian porn because it's just an embarrassment.
Like it's so bad and it feels so false and just.
And if we've got long nails, I'm like, what are you doing?
Yeah, no one. There it is.
Yeah.
Those would you, you would give a smear test with these.
Yeah, you could collect some cells.
Yeah, in the cervix. Mellie's sister once told me she
was picking me up in DC and she was like, oh, I love your nails.
And I was like, well, you could have these nails.
Too. No, you fucking couldn't.
Like is it I need to tell you something when 2 girls really
really love each other? Yeah, we do not be wearing
acrylics maybe. Yeah, I what was the question
again? Do how much damage do you think
that? Oh, how much damage?
Yeah, Yeah. I think, I think in terms of
just like the sexualization of lesbians, 100%, yeah.
In terms of actually like girls wanting to sleep with girls, I
don't think that it's done that damage.
I do genuinely think that a lot of women feel that urge to sleep
with the other women. Yeah.
Do you think that in this day and age where I think there's a
lot more talk about fluidity and like whatever, being a bit more
open about what you desire has brought a few more confused
girls into your school? Yes.
OK. Are there tell tale signs of
like, how can you maybe distinguish somebody who's like
gay for real or somebody who's just like having a bit of fun?
Depends how wet they get. I'm joking.
That's such an awful joke. So no, because.
Well, look. Yeah, OK.
I think that with women, I think that it's really good by the
way, this like this whole new open door of fluidity, because I
do also believe that like a lot of sexuality can be fluid and I
think that people wanting to explore that in any way, shape
or form fucking amazing. Do it.
I'd always just say just do it because you've also got nothing
to lose ever. Like and if you didn't like it,
you didn't like it. You know tell tale signs that
sometimes when you just be the fact that women are
indoctrinated since birth to want male validation and want
male gaze upon them. Yes and, but, but what I would
say is that sometimes the type of girls are like that and maybe
wearing a bit too much about how that guy is feeling about this
or like if a guy is watching whilst it's happening or maybe
it talks about a guy quite a lot.
And I'm like, OK, well maybe I could be completely wrong, but I
do just feel like some people like to say that they are part
this community, right? But wouldn't and have actually
actively said though that they wouldn't sleep with a woman.
And for me, I find that frustrating.
Yeah, call me biphobic if you want to call me biphobic,
whatever. I don't think it's biphobic if
you are. It's not coat tailing.
Is it coat tailing? Right, it is a bit of coat.
Yeah, it's coat. Yeah, it's coat tailing.
So I was trying to think if that was the right time, coat tailing
to to believe that you are a part of a community in which you
actively aren't really a part of.
And and by the way, you can be an ally and, like, I welcome you
into anything that I do, right. But to say that you are a
bisexual, but you actually have no interest really in women, I
find that damaging because I also think that it feeds into
the trope of, well, you know, bisexuals aren't real.
If anything, they do more harm to the bisexual community than
they do the lesbian community because then they're not taken
seriously. Yeah.
You know, but that's just me being me.
I think that honestly everyone just needs to just try and do
whatever they want. And maybe if they feel like that
whole life has been, I don't know, it can be really eye
opening. Like I know some people that
have like at a later age and they're loving it so.
Do you think that there's maybe some women that could be open
just to the physical part of it? Can there be just sex between
women? Yeah.
Yeah, 100 percent, 100%. I also think that like, I would
call that bisexual. So like, you are not bi
romantic. You're like literally just
bisexual. You may just enjoy sitting with
the women, but maybe you don't form that emotional connection
to them. And some people and some women
have sex with men but don't form the emotional attachment to
them. So it can go both ways.
But yeah, that that can happen. You can just like sleep with a
woman and just not it just be sex.
But you both have to be there, right?
You know, like that's a recipe for disaster.
If one of you isn't 1 of you isn't got it, It's kind of bad.
OK, real talk though, how long is too long in bed?
A day. 24 hours. 24 hours with no water?
OK, that's how long is too long. Once you reach the six hour
mark, you have to be like, OK, why don't we take a breather,
right? Yeah.
How many orgasms do you think you can fit into those six
hours? Do you think it's by hour or by
orgasm? Kind of trying to do like a it's
usually it's yeah. I think by orgasm I'd say I'd
say my Max. My Max in like 1 session would
probably be 7. Oh my God, you guys are spoiled.
But as well, well, we're lucky and we've got stamina, so find
you a girl that has stamina. OK, is it true that lesbians can
tell us somebody's good in bed just by how they sit on the
floor? No, absolutely fucking not.
Is this no crap? That's hilarious.
That is so funny, I feel like if you are going to indicate anyone
at being like good in bed, maybe by the way that they hold their
drink would probably be a bit of an indicator.
For me it's like a confidence thing.
But sitting on the floor, No probably not.
I don't know, I could probably see how flexible they are.
But also lesbians always sit in really weird positions.
Like this is killing me right now to sit like this.
Like a normal person. OK, so more like the way they
hold their drink. I have to say I've seen videos
of me holding a mic and it's giving OK.
I know. It's even extremely
uncomfortable. I hold it like this.
Like if you could picture me holding a penis like that, if
that, like if that is the way that you also translate, I'm
like what? Like just.
Anyway, yeah, I feel like if they were to like grab it, like
grab and be like strong with it and be very like confident and I
don't know that and just trying to think of what else, but I
don't know. OK, so there's no telling like
you know, for the longest time. I tell.
Yeah. That big hands or a big nose?
Right. Yeah.
I mean, with the lesbians, it quite literally is big hands,
you know? Oh.
Right. It's just out there.
It's. Literally right out there.
Anything. Mine are tiny, yours are huge.
I mean, they're they're a lot of nail, but.
Yeah, see, yeah, you'd be a great lesbian with those
fingers, but hey ho. But like.
Is there a big ratio of pianist that turn?
Lesbian. I think so.
Otherwise, yeah, pianist. Pianist the pussy really quick
transition. I I'm ashamed of my small hands.
Ashamed. Is it is it the smallness or is
it the harshness? Because like, every time you
come into my house, I feel like I'm doing the lesbian world a
favor. You are, but they look quite
dry. But and goes, it's not the size
of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean.
You know what I mean? It's like I feel like I should
have huge hands. You totally give huge hands.
Huge hands. Like I wouldn't want to be
slapped by you. No, they're strong.
They're strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, to go down on a woman.
For the first time discussion so much really scared OK, because I
feel I don't know if you have like the same thing, but it's
always just been a bit like men don't want to do it.
Right. Right, and and usually like.
I feel like that has now changed.
That's definitely changed now. I mean, that's gay as fuck, by
the way. Like, why would a man not want
to do that? Dina's almost like a almost like
a dirty thing to do. Like, do you know what I mean?
Like a bit like unhygienic. I don't know.
I I felt like when I was growing up it was because they'd always
been, ah, smells of fish. Like they'd always like me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
So like, well, I don't want to, I don't want to do that.
And I was really, really scared, but I was like, no, just give it
a go. And absolutely loved it.
You loved it? Loved it, Yeah.
And then I kind of liked it more as I as I got like more
experience. Do you have your favorite things
that you like in the bedroom? So I yes, I love making girls
squirt. OK.
What's, what's the manual? The manual for that?
Yeah, there's like a certain hook there is.
There is something that I do. Yeah, there's yeah.
And then and either the girl will squirt from like
penetration or clit and I can always suss out which one they
are and I will. Make it What a superpower.
Yeah, it is a superpower. Yeah, But I do.
I love. Yeah, I love.
I love. Yeah.
Giving head I like. I don't know.
It's a passion. Great.
OK. Scissoring's so fun.
Logistically complicated. It can be OK, yeah, but actually
it's quite simple once you get the good the good technique.
Do you? Think that scissoring is
something that you graduate to. Yeah, you can't start with the
scissor. You can't, OK, you can't.
Like I feel like, yeah. Instead of rock, paper,
scissors. What could it be?
It could be like finger lick scissor, finger lick scissor.
Like which one are you going to go buy?
Yeah, No, I, yeah, I feel like it is a graduation unless you're
with someone already that's experienced.
OK. But it's quite like it's very
intimate. That's what I like about it, I
think. And I and I love, I love the
strap. I do.
Interesting to wear. It both OK, yeah.
What is it? Does it look like a penis or is
it just like a a stick? Is it just like just a stick?
It's just like a thing. It's just like a twig.
Has the shape of a penis, but like usually like purple or pink
or something like it's not like. Veiny.
It doesn't have like, so it's it's got the texture of it and
it's quite like soft, like silicone.
OK, but it's because that's what feels good inside, you know what
I mean? So it's not necessarily thinking
of it as a Dick. It's just like just looks that
way. I I don't even think I really
like look at it, to be honest. It's just kind of, yeah, like
I'm more interested in like, who's, like, attached to it.
But then again, it's like that control thing.
It's the intimacy of it all. It's like, yeah.
OK, so top three moves in bed for you.
Letting out all my secrets. I never talk about stuff like
this on here, so you're really getting it out of me.
Top three moves. Careful about this one.
I that I do or that I like. That you, that you like.
OK. Focus the one you love to do.
Love so #1 #1 going down on the girl.
But a specific move is where I will.
Oh I feel like, why do I feel like I'm talking to my mum right
now? But Oh my God, I hope my mum
doesn't listen to this. Like I will suck the clip but
then also put pressure on the clip with my tongue at the same
time. That's kind of like a thing that
I do. Just run out here the I.
But you would like that to be done to you.
I like doing that, but also I'd like it to be done to me too.
Yeah. Tongue fucked.
Great. OK, yeah, everyone loves that
though. No, everyone loves that.
Tongue fucked. Yeah.
Yeah, I love, just love. Do you know what a good, a good
old fashioned finger, like a good old fashioned fingering,
like there is nothing wrong with that.
And but if it's done in like the right way with a, with a lot of
like move like that. I I feel like a big thing for me
is like having someone literally like on top of me or like me
being on top of them, like being like very close, yes, whilst
it's all happening, like very like intimate and very like eyes
staring and like smiling and like having fun with it.
I love to ride the strap. That's a fun thing to do,
cowboy. Just cowgirl that shit out.
Do you think that you guys spend more time with pre gaming than
the, you know, heteronormative couples might do?
Like foreplay, Yes. Well, I feel like the foreplay
is like it. Our sex is like foreplay but on
crack, right? So it's like our sex is just
like really top level foreplay. And then the strap is like, some
people don't like it, some people don't like wearing it or
taking it or like whatever, right.
So like some couples just might not ever do that.
But yeah, I feel like our version of for playing is just
like a lot of touching, a lot of making out, a lot of just like
getting very close and stuff and then going into it, right,
Right. And then it's just like a lot
more intense. Like I feel like, I do feel like
girls are generally just more intense.
Like, it's a lot more like, yeah.
OK, have you ever had a sexual injury like thrown your back out
through riding the strap? Did I not tell you about the
sexual injury? Did you throw your back by
wearing the strap? I was on a marble island and I
tried to get a different angle, so I swung my leg.
Oh my God. So I swung my leg over the
counter to try and like get one up.
And then I jumped. But I didn't realize how close I
was to the counter. So you can imagine my legs are
like akimbo and I'm trying to jump to to get behind.
I don't know what I thought I was doing.
And I bashed my clit into the corner of a marble kitchen
counter. Oh.
Girl. Got down, finished the job by
the way, whilst in agony and then I look down and I'm just
bleeding and it was, my clip was cut in four different areas.
Do you know something? It was so bad to me.
Really, really, yes. What happened?
When I was a kid, I was in the playground and there was one of
those like metal ladders that goes like a bridge.
And like, I climbed to the top of it.
I'm from the top. I thought it'd be a good idea to
like, take a lap, take a leap, sorry, take a leap from the top
to the ground. And like, I miscalculated and I
just like banged like my legs felt like in one of those bars.
And I also something happened there and I was bleeding.
How sick did that make you feel though?
And they had to take me to hospital.
Yeah, I'm surprised that I didn't go, but I was also like,
I'm not going to hospital for this.
Oh, I'm just not going. Well, let me.
Tell you, my dad had to pick me up because my mum was travelling
and I was embarrassing, so embarrassing.
And I was like 6. Is that basically Obviously my
hymen gone which came in handy? Yeah, amazing.
Yeah, but, well, I I was in. I was in agony.
Like agony. I can't imagine as a kid, that
was awful. Yeah.
I mean, it was bad. And I was also just like, Oh my
God, what if I lose sensation in my clit?
It is game over for me. Like, that's it.
That's it. I'm off this.
I'm off this planet Earth. I.
Can't well, you could still do the hook go down girls and
write. This is not the.
Same. It's not the same.
But no, I actually manifested it
to heal very quickly. It took me 3 days.
Amazing. That was good.
Oh, that was so bad. OK I have one sex.
One last sex question. Do lesbians ever entertain anal
sex? Yes.
How common is it? I don't know.
I, I think, do you know what I think it is about anal sex with
women is that it is a, it's what's the word?
It's taboo. Oh, I thought you were going to
say it's a lesser hole. It's a lesser hole.
It's a taboo. So it's like, that's what's so
hot and sexy about it because it's like, oh, this is like so
naughty, do you know what I mean?
So I think that that and also fuck me, you've done like
everything a million times already.
So it's like, well, let's just try that one.
And some women get pleasure out of anal as well.
So it's like it's just, yeah. So it, it does happen.
It's not like it doesn't happen, but yeah, I'm yet to do it.
But you never know. We'll keep us posted.
I will keep you posted. I'll message you if it happens.
Please send me a video. Yeah, of my gaping ass, yes.
Let me now, me and Andy now. Me in hospital, I took it too
far. OK.
I think that's. Yeah, it's everything.
God. Yeah.
I mean, it's a lot of questions. I feel like you, God, you've
been waiting for this one. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I find it so interesting because you really are so
lesbian, less like you just haven't had any experience.
So it's kind of amazing to me. Well, you're I've kissed girls,
just not with Tong and don't. Worry I'm going to get you drunk
Diane's tomorrow and in that pool I'm going to make in front
of Scarlet. But like, I've also been on so
many dates with you girls, yeah. Oh, Jesus.
Yeah. I mean, you, we're look, it's
fine. We don't need to kiss.
We we've got the relationship already.
Yeah, we're already there. We jumped straight to marriage.
Exactly. But I mean God, Jesus Christ.
OK. And then my last question, what
is your favorite thing about this community that you guys
have created? I think it's how passionate
everyone is like. Do you think like it's broken
down some taboos and it's made people feel more comfortable?
Yeah, and also just how fucking badass like everyone is.
Like the women in this community are crazy, like in the best
ways. They're so funny.
They're very intelligent. They've all got like, great
jobs. They're very confident.
And they're just so unapologetic now.
And even the ones who weren't maybe before definitely are now.
And I think that it's just growing in the most beautiful
way, I think. And and it's never boring.
So I think that that's it's kind of like being a part of a secret
club. And that's what I like about it.
Love it. Yeah.
And they're all hot. So.
Yeah, they are all hot. They are all hot.
Come to a couple of the events as all you see but the.
Other day I showed up with my dog and everybody was just
crushing on the dog and not me. I mean, yeah, but if you wanted
to pull, it would take you 2 seconds.
Yeah, 2 seconds. Don't worry, they all fancied
you as well. You're you're fine.
So Iza, thank you so much. Where can everyone find you?
Plug yourself, baby. Plug that.
So you can find me at We found Therapy pod on Instagram and
TikTok. I am trying to convince Freya to
teach me how to use TikTok. Yeah, I think that we should do
a TikTok dance. Tomorrow is a perfect
opportunity to recreate that scene in Sex and the City where
they go to this pool, drinks with the trans ladies when
Samantha moves to the meat packing.
Well then, there you go. Yeah, well, let's make it
happen, okay? And do anything with you honey,
anything. And thank you so much.
I love you and lesbians please go and check her out She is
amazing not only is she one of my beautiful best friends, but
she is also very talented. Thank you so much and thank you
so much for coming on. And I'm sorry for traumatizing
you, but I had. To Oh no, thank you for putting
at ease a lot of my thoughts. Now I feel like I've got to be
even more curious. Just wait for it.
Yeah, well, you asked the fluidity question, so yeah,
well, it's only a matter of time.
It's only your one failed day away, your one more failed day
away from dating a woman. Girl, then I'll see you
tomorrow. Mine are yours.
Yeah, literally mine are my old place.
Yeah, mine are my old place. Thank you so much for having me.
I love this community and I love you guys.
You, we love you. We love you lesbians.
And we'll speak to you next week.
Bye.