1 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,240 Hello. Hi lesbians. 2 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Hello lesbians. And other people you've just 3 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,400 called other. The others. 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,160 And everyone else. It is Pride Weekend in Warsaw 5 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,720 and we are with Levi's. We are, and we're here doing an 6 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,400 ad hoc but special episode today. 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,280 So we told you all last week that we were stopping for a bit 8 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,720 and then, surprise, here we are. So aren't you all very, very 9 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,720 lucky to be hearing us just one week after we said we were 10 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,520 pausing for a bit? How fantastic for you all. 11 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,800 I'm so buzzing to be here. No, so am I. 12 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,080 We've never been to Warsaw before and we, we, I mean, I say 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,720 I'm buzzing to be here. We got here and slept so far 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,239 but. That is actually our favourite 15 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:08,640 thing to do, so I don't know. Yeah, I I could just go to 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,120 different countries all over the world and different cities and 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,760 just sleep through. The nap just nap in different. 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,080 Different sleeping experiences would be incredible, but we are 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,000 extremely excited to be here. We're extremely excited to be 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,760 here with Levis. It's going to be an absolutely 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,320 incredible weekend. You're all obviously, I'm sure 22 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:27,400 going to have seen it on the socials by the time we post 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,840 this. And we are also very excited to 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,440 find out that there is a massive vegan and vegetarian scene in 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,640 Warsaw, which obviously as lesbians, we don't eat meat 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,000 because that's like a crossover. So sorry, Julia, who's actually 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,760 sat here with us right now. You eat meat, but generally 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:44,920 lesbians. She doesn't. 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,880 Exactly. I just knew you wouldn't because 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,040 it's just such a gay thing. Like it's just. 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,640 Obviously the gay thing, but living in Warsaw, the vegan 32 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,760 capital of Europe, it's the most amazing thing that happened to 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,240 me. We didn't know that. 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,120 How uneducated are we as? Individuals. 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,040 We only found that out about 3 days ago. 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,440 Soon, Julia is going to make it the gay capital as well. 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,320 Yes. This one person. 38 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,800 Lesbian one. Yes. 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,479 Oh yeah, yeah, that's fine. Actually not gay, just lesbian. 40 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,240 The gay men can go to Krakow. Yeah, they have one, we have the 41 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,240 other. I'll take it. 42 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,840 So we are so excited today because we are joined by a very 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,840 incredible person called Julia Macho. 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Macho. I've asked is. 45 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:29,080 It your name? Do you go by Yulia? 46 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Yulia. It doesn't matter, Julia. 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,520 In classic British ignorant style, I've asked three people 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,920 today Julia's last name. Every time I've repeated it to 49 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,680 myself five times, plus every time I've forgotten it and had 50 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,360 to ask it again. And I've still fucked it up 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,280 whilst recording this. So unconscious. 52 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,480 Wine. Start Julia is a chairperson of 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Warsaw Pride and a board member of the Polish Pride Alliance. 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,240 So we are so honoured and you know, amazed to have you sat 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,160 here today with us to give us a bit of insight about yourself, 56 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,840 your life, your past, your present and where you want to 57 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,240 take Lesbians of Warsaw in the future. 58 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,920 Also, can I just say you're putting us to shame already 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,640 because we've just been chatting for the past half an hour and 60 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,440 I'm like, I am not doing enough. I'm not even doing it a slight 61 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,760 bit enough. But it's amazing to actually sit 62 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,840 down with someone who is doing this. 63 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,400 And, and, you know, we were kind of looking up a bit about 64 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,840 Warsaw, obviously before we came and it was kind of common 65 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,280 knowledge that Poland isn't, you know, very gay friendly, LGBTQ 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,880 plus friendly, yes. We are the most homophobic 67 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,160 country in Europe. My mummy's response when I said 68 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,200 that to her was if anything happens to you, don't ring me 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,880 because I don't like aeroplanes. I was like, cheers mum, she 70 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,520 said. If you get kidnapped, I don't 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,480 wanna know about it because I can't help you. 72 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,880 I was like. Ignorance is blessed mum. 73 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,280 I don't. I think the whole point of 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,040 kidnapping is that they don't. You don't know where I am, like, 75 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,240 for fuck's sake. So yeah, that's that was the 76 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,640 experience coming out. She. 77 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Can listen to this episode maybe and she can pick yeah, you. 78 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,160 Definitely put us to shame. So everyone that listened to the 79 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,880 previous episode where me and Freya were crying like little 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,200 babies about how busy we are with our little podcast and then 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,120 we speak to Julia today and we're like, oh fuck yeah we are. 82 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,079 We're pieces of shit, really. Super lesbian definitely and but 83 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:24,920 we are really honoured to have you here, so I'll let you just 84 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,280 do a quick little introduction of yourself and tell tell all 85 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:31,520 the lesbians who you are. Oh my God, all the lesbians. 86 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,920 All of them, all of them because they are international. 87 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,640 We've got Australia, we've got America, we've got Germany, 88 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,160 we've got you guys, we've got UK. 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,560 Like you're you're going international. 90 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,200 Like landing on the moon. You know, the small step for 91 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,920 Julia, but the big step for a Polish. 92 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,480 As lesbians on the moon, they will 100% be listening to this 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,600 podcast. Oh, that's me. 94 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Obviously. Hi, everyone. 95 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,840 I'm Julia. I'm Julia Matija. 96 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,560 I'm from Warsaw. I'm the true woman of Warsaw 97 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,400 Pride. I'm not, not scared of that 98 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,440 word. I'm a proud feminist, but also 99 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,120 proud lesbian. And yeah, the most important 100 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,360 thing for me right now for my activism is to support Pride 101 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,640 movement in Poland. And I think we will have a 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,240 little bit time to talk about it. 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,080 And as my day job, I'm working at the university and I'm an 104 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,360 animal scientist. Oh my God. 105 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,200 Yeah, I know. Crazy. 106 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,240 It's just that. That that's the shame. 107 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,160 That's the shame. On top, isn't it? 108 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,200 That is just that is so attractive. 109 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,320 It really is. But it's really low. 110 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,600 Paid, you know, so. You're, you're a bowler in my 111 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,960 eyes though, don't worry. Now I think especially when it 112 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,840 comes to animal activism as well, that's like a huge thing 113 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,640 that we're really that we're really, really interested in and 114 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,680 we love our dog two pieces who has a rescue we're massive 115 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,400 rescue advocates as well. And so for us to actually learn 116 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,480 that bit of information about you, it's just like the icing on 117 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:52,120 the cake it. Really. 118 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Was. It was the cherry on a very 119 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,360 large cake, Yeah. If you couldn't get any better. 120 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,520 Worse than someone who doesn't like animals. 121 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,080 No, this kind of people, they do not exist. 122 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,880 It's weird. Someone says that I. 123 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,480 Think they're just lying to anyone who didn't like animals. 124 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,120 I think that's a massive red flag. 125 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Like you're just basically admitting that you're a 126 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,240 psychopath. Oh yeah. 127 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,360 Just tell me that you hate me. Punch me on the face. 128 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,080 Yeah. I mean, it's exactly the same. 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,960 So I first of all, I'm really interested to kind of understand 130 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,200 more about you, Like what was your history? 131 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:27,520 What was your journey of growing up in Poland in such a 132 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,360 conservative country, realising that you were gay, sort of 133 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,920 dealing with that, and then becoming such an incredible sort 134 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,720 of advocate at the forefront of a movement? 135 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,280 Because. Because that's exactly what it 136 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,200 is. This is always a kind of hard 137 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,120 question for me because I had a huge privilege. 138 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,040 I have the most wonderful sisters and mom who were always 139 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,840 supporting me. So I was growing up in a small 140 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:00,720 city north of Poland, not knowing lesbians exists. 141 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Yeah. The Internet was not there yet. 142 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,920 You know, I'm only 29, but believe me, if I could Google 143 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,200 that, that would be much easier to go for school. 144 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,880 So. So at the beginning, I really 145 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:21,400 didn't like boys. So it was easier to believe that 146 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:27,680 I'm asexual because it was existing like as a pathology, of 147 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:33,600 course, but it was existing in the minds of of Polish people. 148 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,960 But lesbians, I have heard about them when I was 11, I believe. 149 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,160 And then I thought, that's it. Is it? 150 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,960 Is it? Is it me? 151 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:49,000 Jesus. So growing up was not the 152 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,520 easiest, but I think that the harder thing was me being very, 153 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,440 very stubborn. Sorry, mom. 154 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:03,160 And and really, really wanted to make some drama, you know, to 155 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,040 reinvent the world to show people that, hey, this is 156 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,240 inequal, it shouldn't exist. So there was a teacher, math 157 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,520 teacher, who told me that girls can can't do math. 158 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Wow. So for the whole year I was 159 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,080 doing all of the extra math assignment. 160 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,680 I was in so many math context contest. 161 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,000 You cannot imagine that. Wow. 162 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,480 And I was miserable, but I was so happy to prove her wrong. 163 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,520 Like Oh my God, your whole. Life has just been born out of 164 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,720 opposite oppositional defiance disorder. 165 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,159 Yes, fantastic. I've got Freya. 166 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:39,240 Freya can relate. Yeah, every. 167 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,559 You tell me not to do it. Well, yeah, that's Watch. 168 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,720 Me, yeah. Watch me, because I'm too. 169 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,440 Lazy and I'll be like OK fine. Oh no, but you love being petty. 170 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,600 Tell me you don't love being petty. 171 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,760 That is like in the core of who you are as a person. 172 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,720 Really. Yeah, Yeah, I should have been a 173 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Scorpio. So when you said that, you kind 174 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,400 of like figured out, OK, this is what a lesbian is. 175 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,120 What did you see? What? 176 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,200 What did you see? Was it just like someone walking 177 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,600 in the street? Was it like a celebrity? 178 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,080 Oh. No, there was a girl, of course. 179 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,520 Yes, she will never know about it, but at that point of my life 180 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,320 before I knew, I thought, oh I really want to be best friend 181 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,840 with her. And then I said to myself, no 182 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,560 girl, sorry. We've done a whole episode. 183 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,560 I'm falling in love with the straight best friend. 184 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:26,960 It's a lesbian experience. I'm not true she's straight 185 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,920 actually I have no contact with her anymore really but I think 186 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,480 she was bi, she didn't knew that too but. 187 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,600 Imagine you see her at the parade tomorrow. 188 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,360 Yeah. I've. 189 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Come around towards each other. That's so. 190 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,120 Good, that was that, Julia. 'S girlfriend would love that. 191 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,880 She would be so happy about. It Jay what take her. 192 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,680 But really, that was funny because I came out when I was 16 193 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:02,120 or 17 to everyone, to my family, extended family and my school. 194 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:07,160 And, you know, people weren't happy about it, but everyone was 195 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,040 kind of OK. But they say, OK, you can be 196 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,920 lesbian, just stop being an activist. 197 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,840 Wow. So the bigger issue for many 198 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,280 people when I was growing up was me doing things, showing them 199 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,320 that you can spend your free time on a something different, 200 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,880 on building a better world than playing video games. 201 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:35,560 And many, many teachers were kind of angry that I was always 202 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,320 making something. I fucking love that though. 203 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,760 But that was fun. I had the most amazing group, 204 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:49,840 friend, friend group, and I had the most amazing sisters who are 205 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,640 always supporting me in front of my family. 206 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,240 So I had a great privilege growing up. 207 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,400 And this is important to say that most kids in Poland, they 208 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:05,360 do not have such a privilege. Only 25% of mothers and 12% of 209 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,480 fathers are accepting their kids in Poland. 210 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,080 It's really terrifying how many young people are walking around 211 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,160 without the support of people who should love them 212 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,600 unconditionally. That is, that is absolutely 213 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,880 insane. It really is. 214 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,280 And it's, it's really, really horrible to see because I think 215 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,280 that, you know, no matter what we go through individually, you 216 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,360 know, in the UK when you're coming out, you kind of know 217 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,320 that there's like a wider acceptance. 218 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,120 So if you don't have that wider acceptance, then also the people 219 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,080 that are supposed to love you just completely abandon you or 220 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,840 don't accept you. It's it's horrible. 221 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Where do you go with? That, but I think regardless of 222 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,440 like how how supported you were, which is amazing, I think that 223 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,080 also kudos to you to like taking it that step further to not just 224 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,640 be like, Oh yeah, I'm gay and I'm happy in my little bubble 225 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,840 with my family who support me. You were like, no, yeah, I'm 226 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,120 fucking gay. And you went out and you wanted 227 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,320 to make a mark about it. We speak. 228 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,720 We speak about this a lot as well. 229 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,480 And I think maybe part of why people didn't challenge you was 230 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,280 because you owned yourself so entirely. 231 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,520 I think some, because we speak about this a lot and people say, 232 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,240 you know, how do you kind of avoid getting hate or how do you 233 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,080 deal with it? And we always say we kind of, 234 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,680 and I don't think I'm, I'm not saying it's as simple as this, 235 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:24,520 but if you kind of speak about yourself with shame, sometimes 236 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,920 you open yourself up for someone to shame you. 237 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,520 Whereas it sounds like you came out so owning who you were, you 238 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,360 weren't just going to let people say what they wanted. 239 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,000 So people knew not to challenge you. 240 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,400 And I think a lot of what you were saying there is actually re 241 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,680 rooted more and probably misogyny rather than you being a 242 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:43,640 lesbian. This is. 243 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,200 The case that was really surprising for me, but I think 244 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,120 you're absolutely right. I did my first activism when I 245 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,560 was 11. I was giving an extra classes to 246 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,720 kids from poor families. Then I was of course active at 247 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,760 the animal shelter. That is obvious for me. 248 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,040 But I think that this is the case, that people were more 249 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,600 scared of seeing a proud woman than a proud lesbian because 250 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,560 they couldn't challenge my sexuality. 251 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:16,240 Like what could they say? Something homophobic and I would 252 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,000 just shrug off and I would just be like, OK, whatever. 253 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,680 But then to challenge me on so many levels as a woman, putting 254 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:28,320 me in my place, explaining to me that I can or cannot do 255 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,000 something. Yes, I think you're absolutely 256 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,520 right. Yeah, yeah. 257 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,560 I think that's why you being a feminist and being an activist 258 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:39,080 for, you know, gay people, gay rights, et cetera, that goes 259 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,440 hand in hand massively. I don't think that you can have 260 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,160 one without the other. And I think that it probably 261 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,920 just like fit, like it fuels your feminism as well because 262 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,880 you're like, did he just fucking say that to me? 263 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,360 And then you're able to like really amplify that, like that 264 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,320 part of of what you're doing so that. 265 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,160 Was the most important thing for me when I became the president 266 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,600 of Warsaw Pride. It was We have to connect. 267 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:05,440 It's impossible that feminists are not openly on our March. 268 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,600 How is it? How is it happening? 269 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,080 Right. And during that time I was 270 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,720 working for with women who have experienced violence, I was 271 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,440 working on the helpline. So I called my friends from 272 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,760 other families, NGOs. And since then we were always 273 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,320 having the big representation. And I think that this also the 274 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:32,000 thing that we have so little of tariffs of trans exclusionary 275 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,920 feminists or so-called because we are so connected for so many 276 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,560 years through the movement that if one of the the feminists, 277 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,480 the, you know, well known feminists are saying something 278 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,200 transphobic, we can call her and say what the hell, like girl. 279 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Yes, we we we had that actually we we we outwardly supported 280 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,840 some someone that had been experiencing transphobia. 281 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,520 We had so many turfs comment. I was surprised. 282 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,000 Maybe I'm ignorant, but I was quite surprised that you can 283 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:14,400 become you can come from like oppression and be hated on and 284 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,400 then hate someone else. I I don't understand how people 285 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,280 can. I think. 286 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,040 Like unified together. And I think in so many ways our 287 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,280 community is, I mean, we are so strong because our community and 288 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,480 because of the people in it and because we have each other. 289 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,080 And I think that's international, But I know we 290 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,160 spoke about this just before we kind of turned on the mics, is 291 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:42,200 that there's a lot of inner kind of friction as well, which I 292 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,680 find so sad because, like, we shouldn't be fighting with each 293 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,920 other or like, not getting along because there's a bigger thing 294 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,880 to be working towards, you know? Yeah. 295 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,920 For the last six years, I had absolutely no personal attacks 296 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,120 from right wing, any kind. I was attacked once on the 297 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,600 street and that's it. And every year I'm getting the 298 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,280 threats, I'm getting hate messages. 299 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Last year my mom got them from people who I called my friends 300 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,480 or who are on our side or who are participating in crime. 301 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,600 Inside the house it wasn't. It wasn't external like right 302 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:23,800 wing. It was literally within the 303 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,560 community that you were getting those death threats. 304 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,040 Wow, that's mad. That absolutely just baffles me. 305 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,480 I can't. But it's the same for us. 306 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:38,160 I mean, the the homophobia that we've actually experienced is 307 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,040 from gay men in bars. So we'll try and go into a bar, 308 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,880 particularly in London, it's mainly gay men bars, like 309 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,320 lesbian bars are there's 1-2 basically. 310 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,120 And because we don't look like how they want a lesbian to look 311 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,400 like, which is just absolutely pathetic anyway, they will be 312 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,920 like just just basically tell us to fuck off because they think 313 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:03,320 that we're just like these girls that are just turning up and, 314 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,480 and you know, we will literally look at them and be like, no, 315 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,800 no, no, we're together and they're just laughing. 316 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,640 Why should his mother? Exactly. 317 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,119 Why should I even have to justify it? 318 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,280 I mean, we've literally been pushed away from bars. 319 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,000 We don't go out in queer in the in the Soho now because it's 320 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,000 worse. We get more hate from inside the 321 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,200 community than we do going to our local bars and restaurants 322 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,880 with surrounded by straight people. 323 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,840 There were mostly queer women in from the community who said I 324 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,720 shouldn't be chosen for this position because I don't look 325 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:37,960 gay enough. Wow. 326 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,360 And I'm like and what the fuck should I do? 327 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Well, we've gotta shave my shave my head by coming in in a 328 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,520 minute. And he's just gonna shave it all 329 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,800 two artist. Yeah, but. 330 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Isn't that the point of all of this is that we shouldn't all 331 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,360 have to look a certain way? Like that's the whole, that's 332 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,360 one of the many layers as to why we're fighting for equality, 333 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,120 because equality is you can look however the fuck you want, you 334 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:03,600 can be whoever the fuck you want, and you can exist equally 335 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,760 to someone else. So. 336 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,760 But also, we all in the movement, I believe that we have 337 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,360 different purposes. Yeah. 338 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,320 Like, I'm not an anarchist at all. 339 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,480 I'm cooperating with the City of Wars. 340 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,480 So I'm cooperating with diplomats on many diplomatic 341 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,760 levels. And my work is important in this 342 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:27,080 part of the job that we all need to to have to be done. 343 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,240 And then we have anarchist movement and anarchist groups 344 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,160 who are coming to pride and they have a different job at this 345 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,800 situation. And then you have a podcast and 346 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,880 it's, it's also a different kind of a job that we need. 347 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:48,000 So why the fuck We have time and strength and like to to put 348 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,160 other people down if it's something that moves us forward, 349 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,840 if it's something that actually brings us a little bit closer to 350 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,800 equality. Because I can understand that in 351 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,440 London there are a lot of people who have time because everything 352 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,640 was achieved, so now we have time to hate. 353 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,040 But here in Poland we have so much to do. 354 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Like, really? Yeah. 355 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,920 Why? It's, it's mental. 356 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,120 I mean, have you seen any changes like since you've 357 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,680 started working like in this? Position, like what kind of 358 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,480 inspired you to get to the position as chairperson or like 359 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,080 what drove that? And I'm really interested to 360 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,960 understand because I don't understand like has there been 361 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,040 significant shift over the last few years and, and how has that 362 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,040 happened and what, what has that looked like? 363 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,920 Because I'm, I mean, we did do some research, but it was 364 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,680 actually quite thin on the ground as to understand the real 365 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:45,680 history and the kind of progress and the journey of equality in 366 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,240 Poland. So I'd really love to be able to 367 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,760 hear that from you. And I know that's a really long 368 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,200 that's. A big question, sorry. 369 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,040 I didn't want to become president of Warsaw Pride, OK, I 370 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,960 said no for three months. Really. 371 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:07,400 I was 22 at the time. Yeah, my God, I really wanted to 372 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,760 stay at the university. I really wanted to have a 373 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,240 scientific career. And I was afraid that being an 374 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,280 activist is going to stop me from this. 375 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,680 That was the biggest issue for me. 376 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,520 But the other thing was that I was super young, right? 377 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:27,280 I, I didn't want to have this kind of burden. 378 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,720 Yes, I will. I will call it that way on my, 379 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,840 on my shoulders. So at, at the beginning, I 380 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,000 really didn't want to take that. And at that time equality Parade 381 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,160 was small event. I would say we had 15 to 20,000 382 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,640 people coming. It was really not inclusive. 383 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:55,280 It was being made by gay men. So what I was lacking of was the 384 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,440 bigger representation of course from the community, but also the 385 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,000 just everything. I wanted everything to be 386 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,000 bigger. Come on. 387 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:10,200 So, so I had this vision. So I said no, even though I had 388 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,760 this vision. And then my friends from the the 389 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,960 volunteering team, because we were together in the 390 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,880 volunteering team, said Julia. This is the time, this is an 391 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,960 opportunity for us to make the pride as we want it to be and we 392 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,720 are going to do it with you if you are going to take it. 393 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:35,240 Yeah, so I did so I did. The first year was absolutely 394 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,080 amazing. We didn't knew what we are doing 395 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,640 at all, like everything was kind of coincidence I would say, I 396 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,120 suppose. There'd been no one there to 397 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:47,000 pave the way like you were literally start. 398 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,520 Yeah. What you. 399 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,640 Scratch. And then it's almost like, where 400 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,480 do you start? You just have to start 401 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,080 somewhere. We had two amazing men. 402 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,840 I'm I'm not usually saying that, so I would say don't. 403 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:00,880 How painful was that? Jesus Christ, I I could see the 404 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,040 gritted teeth there. Yeah. 405 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,920 We had Lukesh Pawetzky and Pavel Kypushevsky who taught me the 406 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,080 technical issues, like how to build a float because I didn't 407 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,560 know how to do that. So, so they, they gave me a lot 408 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,080 of know how and a lot of knowledge. 409 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,160 But the rest of this was, I mean, that was a circus, you 410 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,480 know, Like, everything was burning. 411 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,760 There was some monkey jumping over the roof, and there we are 412 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,880 dancing in the middle of this absolutely amazing time. 413 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:39,640 But then we kind of did it twice as much. 414 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,200 People came. Love. 415 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,480 That a lot of representation, a lot of different movements. 416 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,960 We were the first country in the world where Greenpeace took part 417 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,400 in pride. Yes, we we kind of started 418 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,800 talking to different companies and different brands. 419 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,520 Yes, Levi's was one of them. Levi's big up. 420 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,520 Levi's on this? Yeah. 421 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,120 And so, so we got some money that we could actually use to 422 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,200 build something bigger. Incredible. 423 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:16,200 And it it kind of grew. So in 2019, we had a parade of 424 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:23,720 approximately 70,000 people and we had huge Equality Town where 425 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,320 all of the NGOs were giving speeches and workshops so 426 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,720 everyone could educate themselves about different 427 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,840 minorities, not only LGBTQ people. 428 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,000 And I said to myself, that's wonderful, that's it, I did my 429 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,240 job, thank you. And then COVID came and you are 430 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,560 not leaving your organisation during crisis. 431 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:48,400 So I stayed and here I am still because last year we had a war, 432 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,160 so it was also kind of a crisis, and this year it is still kind 433 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,320 of a crisis situation for us. We are going to have a huge 434 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,480 representation from Ukraine. This is really important to us, 435 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,560 you know, the, this is something that actually keeps me going, 436 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,160 you know, to be able to use my power to give the streets of 437 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,960 Warsaw, to give them away to Ukrainian community, to have the 438 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,760 power to do that. That was the most amazing thing 439 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,200 last year. So we had a Warsaw key of pride 440 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:24,360 last year together. And yeah, what had what, what, 441 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,880 what changed? The political situation is 442 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000 worse. I mean, you're not alone there. 443 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,200 In all fairness, yes. Sorry. 444 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,320 Everyone so far these. Were in shit together in that 445 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,080 sense. I mean the Brexit kind of paved 446 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,280 the way. Yes it is so the political 447 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:46,760 situation is worse but the the society is much further So right 448 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,960 now more than 50% of Polish society is pro equal rights for 449 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,160 LGBTQ people in general. I'm not talking about specifics. 450 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,520 Of course, adoption is still kind of a issue, but at least 451 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,480 equal partnerships and marriages. 452 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:06,680 And when I took over the Warsaw Pride, it was 12% as I believe. 453 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,000 Wow. So it's a, it's a huge. 454 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,840 Difference. It's a huge shift in our 455 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,320 society. So that's why I'm angry where 456 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,640 the politicians of opposition are saying, oh, the society is 457 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,160 not ready, they are. We have better percentage than 458 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,680 Ireland had, than Argentina had when they were introducing their 459 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,480 equal laws. So we are much further do you? 460 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,920 Know what I think that is, though? 461 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,040 They're shitting themselves. That's what it is. 462 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,600 Because for so long they've been able to spill a narrative that 463 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,320 queer people and gay people are just disgusting and we don't 464 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,680 deserve a place in this world. And you know, all of these 465 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,240 things. And I think it's easy to to 466 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,520 build a following whoever, you know, if you shout the loudest, 467 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,240 people will come, right? And you've managed to create 468 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,440 something that has built a following of support and that 469 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,240 probably was already always there, but people didn't feel 470 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,680 you've. You've created an openness that 471 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,880 people now feel they can and it's. 472 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,720 A big safe space as well even as. 473 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,880 An ally and yeah the opposition is shitting themselves and I 474 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,400 think that's probably why they're now screaming louder 475 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,480 about kind of debunking these things because eventually and I 476 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,720 do truly believe this not even just for Poland like every 477 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,720 country that is suffering with inequality we will come out on 478 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,120 top like historically you know whether you're talking about war 479 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:32,800 you're talking about you know gay rights trans rights we will 480 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,040 always prevail and I think they need to know that like it's not 481 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,520 going to ever go it's. Not going to go away. 482 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,400 I think that's the main thing is that they think that if they 483 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,880 brush it under the rug, it just so raises the gay people. 484 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,760 Like we just all go back into the closet and then just. 485 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Yeah. And if they get angry enough and 486 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,240 if they get aggressive enough, then they will scare us into 487 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,880 submission. And I don't think that will ever 488 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,320 work. I mean, it never has. 489 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,480 Like historically, we've always come back. 490 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,280 And I think it's actually created change. 491 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,440 You know, it's creates movement sometimes when you get to a 492 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,760 point of an uprise of positivity and then you kind of get knocked 493 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,720 back a bit, but then it creates a further uprise of positivity 494 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,880 because you've already built that foundation. 495 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,120 And I think you will probably see that this year and probably 496 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,120 years to come that will just grow and grow and grow, which is 497 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,920 in incredible and something to be, you know, insanely, insanely 498 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,200 powered. Definitely. 499 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,200 That's great. Yeah, it is. 500 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,760 It's very. True. 501 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,960 Because I think we've always lived in a society that it's not 502 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,920 perfect. I mean, I've had hate crime on 503 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,680 the streets of London. I'm not going to sit here and 504 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,480 say that I haven't, but I know and I think it is that kind of 505 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,360 whisper of safety that we do have incredible organisations. 506 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,800 We have so many big corporations such as Levi's and other brands 507 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,360 and you know, massive sponsorships over in the UK that 508 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800 do advocate for us massively. I. 509 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,720 Mean what you say as well, like even when you were growing up, 510 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,440 like not being able to have access to lesbians online. 511 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,560 I mean, I don't know what I would have done because like my 512 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:08,280 my, my feed was like Ellen were. You not allowed to stream the L 513 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,640 word, is that not? No, no, no. 514 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,240 At one point we were streaming the L Word, but I think I was 14 515 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,000 at that point. Yeah, I was. 516 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,240 We're streaming. It for the 6th time at the. 517 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,080 Moment we are yeah, back on season 1, but no, Oh my God. 518 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,440 That's a. Amazing, Julie. 519 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,720 That's a psychological. Issue I believe. 520 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,320 You go out, maybe change the world, right? 521 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:35,400 Yeah, we do that. We get on this little podcast 522 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,320 once a week and say little. My things. 523 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360 And then we go home and we watch the L word with our day. 524 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,080 Cod. We are, can you switch? 525 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,640 Like, I really want that life. I know because I feel like you 526 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,720 berate us so hard. Like I know that when you were 527 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,720 doing extracurricular maths I was spending 18 hours a day on 528 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,520 Sims 3, but me and you, we're just not the same. 529 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 When you were doing extracurricular maths, I was 530 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,240 smoking weed in a park on my own. 531 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800 I was Downing Lamborini by the bottle. 532 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,160 Yes, straight. Throwing up in my mum's car. 533 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,920 Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's two different 534 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,520 types of people in this world, Scarlett, right? 535 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,200 It feels so. Shit during there are not. 536 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,480 The different types of people, there is just some things they 537 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,680 cannot speak publicly about, you know? 538 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Yeah, no. I'm working on a public 539 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,160 university. This is the point. 540 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,480 This is your time. But. 541 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,840 Yeah, we're here for you to speak as publicly as you want. 542 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,920 You know, is there anything because like we, we've asked you 543 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,640 all the questions, but like anything that you'd want people 544 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,240 of either like Poland or people, you know, university to, to 545 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,840 understand about the movements here or like what's. 546 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,480 Yeah. And how do we support Like what 547 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,960 we be doing you? Know the thing that I love about 548 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,360 Polish community and I'm talking about Polish, not Warsaw. 549 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Sometimes people are putting equal between the two of them, 550 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,400 but it's not is that Warsaw is wonderful and we have wonderful 551 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520 pride and you are more than welcome to come. 552 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320 But this is not the real change that is being created in our 553 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,440 country and the real change is being made by small cities. 554 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:11,120 In 2017 we had seven prides in Poland, now we have 34. 555 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,280 Wow, 35 this year. That's amazing. 556 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,680 There's. Going to be some of the new and 557 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,760 we created Polish Prides Alliance. 558 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,920 You can find us online, we have a website to to kind of give the 559 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,840 voice back from this big, big NGOs from Warsaw who are usually 560 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,280 talking about how LGBTQ people live in Poland or how, how their 561 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:40,240 situation is to give it back to the regions to be for them to be 562 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,920 able to tell their own stories. So right now, what I really 563 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,080 believe in is that we have a wonderful time in Warsaw. 564 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,400 It's important to have Warsaw Pride. 565 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,560 We have a lot of of this regional activists coming to 566 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:59,520 have a great time, you know, and brief a little bit during our 567 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,040 pride. But the big difference, the big 568 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,760 change that the society is making is happening in these 569 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,600 regions. Last year we had the smallest 570 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,640 March in mileage. It's 12,000 inhabitants, 200 571 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,000 people came. This year we are going to have a 572 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,800 March in Shtum, which is 7000 inhabitants. 573 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,440 I know it sounds big for some of the countries, but in Poland 574 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,240 it's practically a village. So we will have a first village 575 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,640 pride. So I actually believe that the 576 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,200 change is not going to be created from Warsaw. 577 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,160 So if you're looking to support us, you can always sponsor the 578 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,280 pride itself. We need €1000 for a pride to 579 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,560 happen in a smaller city, OK. Amazing. 580 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,680 And do you have? Like links and things that we 581 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,920 can kind of put out there. Obviously fantastic I was being 582 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,680 born with links. Lesbians, we're flooding you 583 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640 like this is your opportunity because you're not paying us. 584 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,040 So pay someone really believe because we're we're doing some 585 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,680 free labour for you lot over here. 586 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,720 So do not give money to Warsaw Pride, give it to regions. 587 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,080 They are doing marvellous thing. Yeah, I mean, with the money, 588 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,080 the amount of money that they have, they shouldn't be able to 589 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,560 do the things that they are doing. 590 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,360 This is amazing, truly. Blown away to hear that because 591 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040 I grew up in a small town in the countryside. 592 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,880 We don't have that. No. 593 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,440 What we I've never had, there's no pride there. 594 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,800 So the fact that that's happening in, you know, a less 595 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,800 aggressive country that there are that is actually just again, 596 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,040 like, I'm blown away. There is clearly a lot of unity 597 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,560 here. It's just it's just a lot 598 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,040 looking it. It's literally just the 599 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,640 beginning, which is incredible. It's a lot of perseverance. 600 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,280 You know, people here, not only LGBTQ people, but also allies, 601 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,040 they are fed up with the amount of hate from our government. 602 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,080 So they are like, I didn't care about, you know, LGBTQ rights, 603 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,920 but I cannot stand, you know, the hate speech against the 604 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,360 group of people. Yes. 605 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,680 So I'm becoming an ally. I'm becoming an active ally to 606 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,920 actually support you. I. 607 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,280 Mean that's pretty great. And I find it hard to believe 608 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840 that no one in this world just doesn't want peace, right? 609 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,120 So like, whether you actively support it or not, you surely 610 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,400 just want like an easy life. I think that's what we're all 611 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,920 asking for. We're just asking for a bit of 612 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,520 peace. Yeah, and like, have you ever 613 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,800 been to London before? Oh. 614 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,280 Yeah, honey, I love London. You love Sister. 615 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,120 Lived there for a few years and the first time I travelled there 616 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,680 I was flying alone. I was 11. 617 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,600 So that was that's when you found the lesbians, Yes, Yeah. 618 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,200 And. I was actually gay club in 619 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,520 London. Really. 620 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,920 Yeah. They paid the the security guard 621 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,240 to let me in with my. Head, that's amazing. 622 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,160 I mean, it didn't look like heaven if I have to be. 623 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,160 I mean it looks like hell, but called called. 624 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:00,760 Heaven. Oh no, I don't. 625 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,720 Know that I I absolutely don't. Look like hell. 626 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,680 That's amazing. The floor was super. 627 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,360 Sticky. Yeah, yeah. 628 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,120 They're underground and they are sticky, greasy dungeons. 629 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,520 Yeah, I've had some fantastic times there. 630 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,199 But but it's great. It's breeding Covic, isn't it? 631 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,000 Yeah. It's actually sounds like 632 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,960 Poland. I had a fantastic time there, 633 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,920 but. On that note, I've got two other 634 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,040 questions before we probably have bored you to death. 635 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,440 One being on the note of gay clubs, is there anywhere, if so 636 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,800 where, if people are visiting Warsaw to go out as a queer 637 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,120 person and have a really great time? 638 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,920 One is Madame Q, it's a burlesque show. 639 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,679 It's absolutely LGBTQ friendly. They have also a lot of drug 640 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:52,000 shows every every week. The safest place I have ever 641 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,239 been to completely completely go there, do it. 642 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,440 It's amazing and beside that La Pose, it's a new club also in 643 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,960 the city centre and the most amazing voguing team is being in 644 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,560 charge of it. So strike a pose. 645 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,640 That kind of vogue, yes. Love that you will see a lot. 646 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,200 Of tomorrow the. Parade tomorrow, you know where 647 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,440 she is. I'm in love the drag. 648 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,560 Show she's on the floor in the drag show. 649 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,520 Oh no. No, no, tomorrow I'm actually 650 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,000 sweeping floors and cleaning after your party. 651 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,920 So you're, you have to, you know, your family with our 652 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,760 lesbians. Will not leave you sweeping the 653 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,280 streets alone. Believe you love to know how 654 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,960 much of a strong dyke I like to be, so if you give me a task I 655 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,560 will do, I will. Told you, OK. 656 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,760 Why? Yes, that's so we always have a 657 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,920 session like we always come up with these things like gay 658 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,160 inanimate. Why is a broom a gay inanimate 659 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,840 object is like a like a street brush is very it's giving queer, 660 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,400 isn't it? It's. 661 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,280 Giving lesbian it is giving. But so as we were saying this 662 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,320 the other day, WD40, you know the oil that you use on your car 663 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,240 that's, that's gay. It's just so gay. 664 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:04,120 Yeah, it's so gay. Like so gay banners and nuts and 665 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,280 bolts and things like that. Anyway, I'm going to leave it on 666 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,640 one note. That's going to put you on the 667 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,880 spot a bit. And you don't have to, you don't 668 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,240 have to answer this. So usually at this time in the 669 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:18,280 podcast we have our disgusting followers submit their lesbian 670 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,920 horror stories and they are like horrific. 671 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,800 I'm not going to ask you to probably go to the length that 672 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,000 some of these people would go to because it is actually quite 673 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,720 traumatising, but is there any Horror Story or experience that? 674 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,800 Just a bit of. Shocker. 675 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,840 Give us a bit of insight on as to any experience you've had 676 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960 over the last however many years you've been out. 677 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,840 That would give us a bit of laugh slash. 678 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,840 Maybe make us judge you a little bit, not in a positive way, 679 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,520 because you've had a lot of positive. 680 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,800 I actually think you need to be knocked down a peg you because 681 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,960 we've been complimenting you quite a lot, so I don't. 682 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,520 Think so? I'm an Angel. 683 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,720 I've had no crazy exes. You've never been the crazy ex. 684 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,280 You've never if you. Haven't had the crazy ex you 685 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,080 are, no. I'm in touch with all of my exes 686 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,440 as a proper lesbian. Should. 687 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,440 Wow, yes, yeah, I mean, fair. There's your one, yeah. 688 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,880 I have absolutely nothing bad to say about my exes. 689 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,360 That's surprising. Come on, I'm I'm actually. 690 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,360 Sorry. That's saying that you're the 691 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,720 red flag, though. If you don't have anything to 692 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,480 say, they've got a lot to say about you. 693 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,760 I I. I'm sure they do. 694 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,280 You have to contact them. I can give you now that we'll. 695 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,720 Get them on the phone, we'll be recording the whole. 696 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:33,960 Leave. We will do that. 697 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,720 Don't. Worry. 698 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,480 No, I I cannot think about any Horror Story busy. 699 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,920 Changing in the world, darling. No traumatising first day. 700 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,600 Oh. I have a traumatising first 701 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,720 date. Oh my God. 702 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,040 Something. Oh my God, that was the the 703 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,440 worst thing I have ever done. That's why I'm not online dating 704 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,080 dating anymore. So I met a girl online that was 705 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,400 super, you know, everything was super fun. 706 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,440 I mean, we had to really blast. So I said, OK, let's meet, let's 707 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,640 go for a beer. So we sit there for three hours, 708 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,960 the most amazing date you can imagine. 709 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,560 You know, everything is great, everything is wonderful. 710 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,720 And then she goes that she's voting for this far right 711 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:22,800 candidate in the presidential election and not the right wing 712 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,080 government that we have right now, the far right neo Nazi one. 713 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,080 Oh my God, and. There I am, and I'm like, how 714 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,440 the fuck should I escape from this situation? 715 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,400 So I said, Oh yeah, I mean, I'm super busy and I'm tired. 716 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,560 I have to go home. I I didn't know if I should tell 717 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,000 her, tell her that I think she's crazy or what. 718 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,240 I'm very surprised she didn't challenge her I. 719 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,000 Mean that was really good date, yeah. 720 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,840 Yeah. So I, I, I felt you were glad 721 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,520 you were. You were blindsided. 722 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,680 I was blind completely. So you know, she was, she was 723 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,960 walking me down to the metro station and she wanted to kiss 724 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,600 me. And there were, there were, 725 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:06,000 there was I saying I will absolutely never kiss Someone 726 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,040 Like You? That would. 727 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,600 Be like kissing a man, wouldn't it? 728 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,000 It's like that level of bad. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 729 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,040 Oh, that is really I. Never thought I'd say that, but 730 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,800 I think I'd rather kiss a man than someone who would vote for, 731 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,080 like, a fart. No, I would. 732 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,720 Like, I don't hate men. I mean, fucking hell, Scarlet, 733 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,160 that is. Yeah, I mean. 734 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,520 Everything would be better the this sticky floor in a gay club 735 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,040 would. Licking the sticky floor in a 736 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,600 gay club, obviously. So I just ran away. 737 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,440 Yeah, that. Was, I mean, fair? 738 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,600 Enough and it ties in really well to last week. 739 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,400 And I feel bad because I should stood up for myself, but that 740 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,000 was a good date. I was so shocked that I wrote, 741 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,120 you know, to my best friend. And I was like, how the what is 742 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,000 going on? How is it even possible? 743 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,600 You know, do. You know, there's got to be 744 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,040 something in the air at the moment because actually the last 745 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,000 week's Horror Story this girl had written in and she got on a 746 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,840 date with this other woman. They go home, they start having 747 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,040 sex and the girls like, I'll talk dirty to me. 748 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,160 So she starts talking dirty to her and she's like, no, get 749 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,320 worse, get worse, get worse. And this girls like, fuck, I 750 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,600 don't know what to say. And this girl looks up and was 751 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,000 like, I want you to call me Hitler. 752 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,880 So there's got to be. And she's screaming Hitler's 753 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,760 name as she comes with the girls fisting it has. 754 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,880 To be yeah, with the neo Nazis at the moment, it's just that 755 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,080 coming. I don't know why. 756 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,360 It's quite frightening. Maybe it was the same girl. 757 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,200 It could have been. Could have been the same girl. 758 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,360 Fuck yes it could have been. All connected it. 759 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,320 All Yeah, we are. Mentally, yeah, for sure, But. 760 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,200 Imagine if it is the same girl we. 761 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,440 Need to do some digging. Yeah, some investigation. 762 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,760 OK, so this kind of Horror Story, I absolutely don't have 763 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,880 one, but I have some horror stories from equal marches in 764 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,920 Poland, you know, So if you want to really hear a Horror Story 765 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,360 from a March that was attacked by neo Nazis, I have plenty of 766 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,280 that. No, yeah. 767 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,840 So when you said Horror Story, that was the first thing that my 768 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,320 mind flew. To so. 769 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,000 It was hard to come back to the dating side, you know? 770 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,040 Absolutely. See. 771 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,040 Again, you've shamed us because we're sat here talking about 772 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,480 pathetic lesbian Horror Story where we're all just sad, but 773 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,320 nothing that was not. My intention and. 774 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,440 You're out here talking about real horror stories that people 775 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,480 need to sort their shit out and stand up against. 776 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920 But you know, but then that's why it's been so good to have 777 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,480 this conversation with you to, to really like spread that 778 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,640 awareness as well as much as we hopefully can on here and then 779 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,000 share all those links as well. Because even just like being 780 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,560 here makes you more aware. And, and that she sat down 781 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680 speaking to you just makes us more painfully aware of, of how 782 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,600 much further, you know, things can go. 783 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,400 But the work that you're doing is incredible. 784 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,400 And. This is like a show. 785 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,080 Well done as well. To our listeners and some people 786 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,880 who have commented to us recently once we announced that 787 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,000 we were coming here, basically asking us why we'd go to a 788 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,800 homophobic country. First of all, use your fucking 789 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,800 brain. Second of all, how do you think 790 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,040 if you're living in your Pretty Little areas in LA or Canada or, 791 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,120 you know, London, what the fuck do you think happened 792 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,120 historically for you to get to that point? 793 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,160 Like if you're a queer person and you're not advocating and 794 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,200 supporting and actively, you know, standing up for other 795 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,280 countries and nations that do not have the privilege that you 796 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,600 do, look at yourself in the mirror because Pride is not just 797 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,920 a glitter party. Pride is there as a political 798 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,280 movement and. Poland Pride is still a riot. 799 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,560 Exactly. And yeah, you know, we all need 800 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,240 to wake up to that. Is that yes, we, we all, you 801 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,000 know, I think a lot of our listeners will come from such 802 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320 privilege, but be very aware of that privilege. 803 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,360 It doesn't then absolve you for not supporting, you know, to not 804 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,800 support other countries and other, you know, your queer 805 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,520 family who have to exist in other spaces without the kind of 806 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,800 way that you're able to walk. Through the world. 807 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,600 And don't be scared to come to Poland. 808 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,280 I know it might, you know, sounds scary, but beside the 809 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,120 politicians, we have an amazing society that is going forward, 810 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,320 that is going for equal rights, not only for LGBTQ people. 811 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,200 So yeah, yeah. Drop by, say hi. 812 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,200 Yeah. Come over because I have not. 813 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,320 I mean, first of all, there's many hotels I want a nap in, 814 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,320 second of all. Food the. 815 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,840 Food I'm not going to be able to get through all the rest, not 816 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,960 going to be able to be. Scanning away to a lot of them. 817 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,440 And I do love to go to each country I go to. 818 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,720 I love to try the McDonald's hair but I can't do it this time 819 00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,640 because it would be away. So I need to come back to be 820 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,480 able to justify just to have McDonald's. 821 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,320 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. 822 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,160 Uncultured swines. Thank you. 823 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,680 Cultured. Yeah, the Lesbian Supper Club 824 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,040 are leaving you today with a sour taste in our mouth that we 825 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,600 are uncultured, lazy assholes. Amazing. 826 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,160 Have you to thank for that, Julie? 827 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,120 No, but seriously. Thank you so much because we. 828 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,400 Appreciate how absolutely busy you are, yeah. 829 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,760 You are rammed. So, so appreciate taking the 830 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,440 time and we really hope you guys enjoyed this episode as much as 831 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,000 we enjoyed creating it here today. 832 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,080 And again, just a massive thank you to Levi's because without 833 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,600 brands such as this out here advocating for us, you know, 834 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,200 these things don't happen. Exactly. 835 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,520 So on that note, we love you lesbians and everyone else, and 836 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,520 we will see you very, very, very soon. 837 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,520 Happy. Pride. 838 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,680 Happy pride, Happy. Pride. 839 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,360 Bye, guys.