Hello. Hi lesbians.
Hello lesbians. And other people you've just
called other. The others.
And everyone else. It is Pride Weekend in Warsaw
and we are with Levi's. We are, and we're here doing an
ad hoc but special episode today.
So we told you all last week that we were stopping for a bit
and then, surprise, here we are. So aren't you all very, very
lucky to be hearing us just one week after we said we were
pausing for a bit? How fantastic for you all.
I'm so buzzing to be here. No, so am I.
We've never been to Warsaw before and we, we, I mean, I say
I'm buzzing to be here. We got here and slept so far
but. That is actually our favourite
thing to do, so I don't know. Yeah, I I could just go to
different countries all over the world and different cities and
just sleep through. The nap just nap in different.
Different sleeping experiences would be incredible, but we are
extremely excited to be here. We're extremely excited to be
here with Levis. It's going to be an absolutely
incredible weekend. You're all obviously, I'm sure
going to have seen it on the socials by the time we post
this. And we are also very excited to
find out that there is a massive vegan and vegetarian scene in
Warsaw, which obviously as lesbians, we don't eat meat
because that's like a crossover. So sorry, Julia, who's actually
sat here with us right now. You eat meat, but generally
lesbians. She doesn't.
Exactly. I just knew you wouldn't because
it's just such a gay thing. Like it's just.
Obviously the gay thing, but living in Warsaw, the vegan
capital of Europe, it's the most amazing thing that happened to
me. We didn't know that.
How uneducated are we as? Individuals.
We only found that out about 3 days ago.
Soon, Julia is going to make it the gay capital as well.
Yes. This one person.
Lesbian one. Yes.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's fine. Actually not gay, just lesbian.
The gay men can go to Krakow. Yeah, they have one, we have the
other. I'll take it.
So we are so excited today because we are joined by a very
incredible person called Julia Macho.
I've asked is.
It your name? Do you go by Yulia?
Yulia. It doesn't matter, Julia.
In classic British ignorant style, I've asked three people
today Julia's last name. Every time I've repeated it to
myself five times, plus every time I've forgotten it and had
to ask it again. And I've still fucked it up
whilst recording this. So unconscious.
Wine. Start Julia is a chairperson of
Warsaw Pride and a board member of the Polish Pride Alliance.
So we are so honoured and you know, amazed to have you sat
here today with us to give us a bit of insight about yourself,
your life, your past, your present and where you want to
take Lesbians of Warsaw in the future.
Also, can I just say you're putting us to shame already
because we've just been chatting for the past half an hour and
I'm like, I am not doing enough. I'm not even doing it a slight
bit enough. But it's amazing to actually sit
down with someone who is doing this.
And, and, you know, we were kind of looking up a bit about
Warsaw, obviously before we came and it was kind of common
knowledge that Poland isn't, you know, very gay friendly, LGBTQ
plus friendly, yes. We are the most homophobic
country in Europe. My mummy's response when I said
that to her was if anything happens to you, don't ring me
because I don't like aeroplanes. I was like, cheers mum, she
said. If you get kidnapped, I don't
wanna know about it because I can't help you.
I was like. Ignorance is blessed mum.
I don't. I think the whole point of
kidnapping is that they don't. You don't know where I am, like,
for fuck's sake. So yeah, that's that was the
experience coming out. She.
Can listen to this episode maybe and she can pick yeah, you.
Definitely put us to shame. So everyone that listened to the
previous episode where me and Freya were crying like little
babies about how busy we are with our little podcast and then
we speak to Julia today and we're like, oh fuck yeah we are.
We're pieces of shit, really. Super lesbian definitely and but
we are really honoured to have you here, so I'll let you just
do a quick little introduction of yourself and tell tell all
the lesbians who you are. Oh my God, all the lesbians.
All of them, all of them because they are international.
We've got Australia, we've got America, we've got Germany,
we've got you guys, we've got UK.
Like you're you're going international.
Like landing on the moon. You know, the small step for
Julia, but the big step for a Polish.
As lesbians on the moon, they will 100% be listening to this
podcast. Oh, that's me.
Obviously. Hi, everyone.
I'm Julia. I'm Julia Matija.
I'm from Warsaw. I'm the true woman of Warsaw
Pride. I'm not, not scared of that
word. I'm a proud feminist, but also
proud lesbian. And yeah, the most important
thing for me right now for my activism is to support Pride
movement in Poland. And I think we will have a
little bit time to talk about it.
And as my day job, I'm working at the university and I'm an
animal scientist. Oh my God.
Yeah, I know. Crazy.
It's just that. That that's the shame.
That's the shame. On top, isn't it?
That is just that is so attractive.
It really is. But it's really low.
Paid, you know, so. You're, you're a bowler in my
eyes though, don't worry. Now I think especially when it
comes to animal activism as well, that's like a huge thing
that we're really that we're really, really interested in and
we love our dog two pieces who has a rescue we're massive
rescue advocates as well. And so for us to actually learn
that bit of information about you, it's just like the icing on
the cake it. Really.
Was. It was the cherry on a very
large cake, Yeah. If you couldn't get any better.
Worse than someone who doesn't like animals.
No, this kind of people, they do not exist.
It's weird. Someone says that I.
Think they're just lying to anyone who didn't like animals.
I think that's a massive red flag.
Like you're just basically admitting that you're a
psychopath. Oh yeah.
Just tell me that you hate me. Punch me on the face.
Yeah. I mean, it's exactly the same.
So I first of all, I'm really interested to kind of understand
more about you, Like what was your history?
What was your journey of growing up in Poland in such a
conservative country, realising that you were gay, sort of
dealing with that, and then becoming such an incredible sort
of advocate at the forefront of a movement?
Because. Because that's exactly what it
is. This is always a kind of hard
question for me because I had a huge privilege.
I have the most wonderful sisters and mom who were always
supporting me. So I was growing up in a small
city north of Poland, not knowing lesbians exists.
Yeah. The Internet was not there yet.
You know, I'm only 29, but believe me, if I could Google
that, that would be much easier to go for school.
So. So at the beginning, I really
didn't like boys. So it was easier to believe that
I'm asexual because it was existing like as a pathology, of
course, but it was existing in the minds of of Polish people.
But lesbians, I have heard about them when I was 11, I believe.
And then I thought, that's it. Is it?
Is it me?
Jesus. So growing up was not the
easiest, but I think that the harder thing was me being very,
very stubborn. Sorry, mom.
And and really, really wanted to make some drama, you know, to
reinvent the world to show people that, hey, this is
inequal, it shouldn't exist. So there was a teacher, math
teacher, who told me that girls can can't do math.
Wow. So for the whole year I was
doing all of the extra math assignment.
I was in so many math context contest.
You cannot imagine that. Wow.
And I was miserable, but I was so happy to prove her wrong.
Like Oh my God, your whole. Life has just been born out of
opposite oppositional defiance disorder.
Yes, fantastic. I've got Freya.
Freya can relate. Yeah, every.
You tell me not to do it. Well, yeah, that's Watch.
Me, yeah. Watch me, because I'm too.
Lazy and I'll be like OK fine. Oh no, but you love being petty.
Tell me you don't love being petty.
That is like in the core of who you are as a person.
Really. Yeah, Yeah, I should have been a
Scorpio. So when you said that, you kind
of like figured out, OK, this is what a lesbian is.
What did you see? What?
What did you see? Was it just like someone walking
in the street? Was it like a celebrity?
Oh. No, there was a girl, of course.
Yes, she will never know about it, but at that point of my life
before I knew, I thought, oh I really want to be best friend
with her. And then I said to myself, no
girl, sorry. We've done a whole episode.
I'm falling in love with the straight best friend.
It's a lesbian experience. I'm not true she's straight
actually I have no contact with her anymore really but I think
she was bi, she didn't knew that too but.
Imagine you see her at the parade tomorrow.
Yeah. I've.
Come around towards each other. That's so.
Good, that was that, Julia. 'S girlfriend would love that.
She would be so happy about. It Jay what take her.
But really, that was funny because I came out when I was 16
or 17 to everyone, to my family, extended family and my school.
And, you know, people weren't happy about it, but everyone was
kind of OK. But they say, OK, you can be
lesbian, just stop being an activist.
Wow. So the bigger issue for many
people when I was growing up was me doing things, showing them
that you can spend your free time on a something different,
on building a better world than playing video games.
And many, many teachers were kind of angry that I was always
making something. I fucking love that though.
But that was fun. I had the most amazing group,
friend, friend group, and I had the most amazing sisters who are
always supporting me in front of my family.
So I had a great privilege growing up.
And this is important to say that most kids in Poland, they
do not have such a privilege. Only 25% of mothers and 12% of
fathers are accepting their kids in Poland.
It's really terrifying how many young people are walking around
without the support of people who should love them
unconditionally. That is, that is absolutely
insane. It really is.
And it's, it's really, really horrible to see because I think
that, you know, no matter what we go through individually, you
know, in the UK when you're coming out, you kind of know
that there's like a wider acceptance.
So if you don't have that wider acceptance, then also the people
that are supposed to love you just completely abandon you or
don't accept you. It's it's horrible.
Where do you go with? That, but I think regardless of
like how how supported you were, which is amazing, I think that
also kudos to you to like taking it that step further to not just
be like, Oh yeah, I'm gay and I'm happy in my little bubble
with my family who support me. You were like, no, yeah, I'm
fucking gay. And you went out and you wanted
to make a mark about it. We speak.
We speak about this a lot as well.
And I think maybe part of why people didn't challenge you was
because you owned yourself so entirely.
I think some, because we speak about this a lot and people say,
you know, how do you kind of avoid getting hate or how do you
deal with it? And we always say we kind of,
and I don't think I'm, I'm not saying it's as simple as this,
but if you kind of speak about yourself with shame, sometimes
you open yourself up for someone to shame you.
Whereas it sounds like you came out so owning who you were, you
weren't just going to let people say what they wanted.
So people knew not to challenge you.
And I think a lot of what you were saying there is actually re
rooted more and probably misogyny rather than you being a
lesbian. This is.
The case that was really surprising for me, but I think
you're absolutely right. I did my first activism when I
was 11. I was giving an extra classes to
kids from poor families. Then I was of course active at
the animal shelter. That is obvious for me.
But I think that this is the case, that people were more
scared of seeing a proud woman than a proud lesbian because
they couldn't challenge my sexuality.
Like what could they say? Something homophobic and I would
just shrug off and I would just be like, OK, whatever.
But then to challenge me on so many levels as a woman, putting
me in my place, explaining to me that I can or cannot do
something. Yes, I think you're absolutely
right. Yeah, yeah.
I think that's why you being a feminist and being an activist
for, you know, gay people, gay rights, et cetera, that goes
hand in hand massively. I don't think that you can have
one without the other. And I think that it probably
just like fit, like it fuels your feminism as well because
you're like, did he just fucking say that to me?
And then you're able to like really amplify that, like that
part of of what you're doing so that.
Was the most important thing for me when I became the president
of Warsaw Pride. It was We have to connect.
It's impossible that feminists are not openly on our March.
How is it? How is it happening?
Right. And during that time I was
working for with women who have experienced violence, I was
working on the helpline. So I called my friends from
other families, NGOs. And since then we were always
having the big representation. And I think that this also the
thing that we have so little of tariffs of trans exclusionary
feminists or so-called because we are so connected for so many
years through the movement that if one of the the feminists,
the, you know, well known feminists are saying something
transphobic, we can call her and say what the hell, like girl.
Yes, we we we had that actually we we we outwardly supported
some someone that had been experiencing transphobia.
We had so many turfs comment. I was surprised.
Maybe I'm ignorant, but I was quite surprised that you can
become you can come from like oppression and be hated on and
then hate someone else. I I don't understand how people
can. I think.
Like unified together. And I think in so many ways our
community is, I mean, we are so strong because our community and
because of the people in it and because we have each other.
And I think that's international, But I know we
spoke about this just before we kind of turned on the mics, is
that there's a lot of inner kind of friction as well, which I
find so sad because, like, we shouldn't be fighting with each
other or like, not getting along because there's a bigger thing
to be working towards, you know? Yeah.
For the last six years, I had absolutely no personal attacks
from right wing, any kind. I was attacked once on the
street and that's it. And every year I'm getting the
threats, I'm getting hate messages.
Last year my mom got them from people who I called my friends
or who are on our side or who are participating in crime.
Inside the house it wasn't. It wasn't external like right
wing. It was literally within the
community that you were getting those death threats.
Wow, that's mad. That absolutely just baffles me.
I can't. But it's the same for us.
I mean, the the homophobia that we've actually experienced is
from gay men in bars. So we'll try and go into a bar,
particularly in London, it's mainly gay men bars, like
lesbian bars are there's 1-2 basically.
And because we don't look like how they want a lesbian to look
like, which is just absolutely pathetic anyway, they will be
like just just basically tell us to fuck off because they think
that we're just like these girls that are just turning up and,
and you know, we will literally look at them and be like, no,
no, no, we're together and they're just laughing.
Why should his mother? Exactly.
Why should I even have to justify it?
I mean, we've literally been pushed away from bars.
We don't go out in queer in the in the Soho now because it's
worse. We get more hate from inside the
community than we do going to our local bars and restaurants
with surrounded by straight people.
There were mostly queer women in from the community who said I
shouldn't be chosen for this position because I don't look
gay enough. Wow.
And I'm like and what the fuck should I do?
Well, we've gotta shave my shave my head by coming in in a
minute. And he's just gonna shave it all
two artist. Yeah, but.
Isn't that the point of all of this is that we shouldn't all
have to look a certain way? Like that's the whole, that's
one of the many layers as to why we're fighting for equality,
because equality is you can look however the fuck you want, you
can be whoever the fuck you want, and you can exist equally
to someone else. So.
But also, we all in the movement, I believe that we have
different purposes. Yeah.
Like, I'm not an anarchist at all.
I'm cooperating with the City of Wars.
So I'm cooperating with diplomats on many diplomatic
levels. And my work is important in this
part of the job that we all need to to have to be done.
And then we have anarchist movement and anarchist groups
who are coming to pride and they have a different job at this
situation. And then you have a podcast and
it's, it's also a different kind of a job that we need.
So why the fuck We have time and strength and like to to put
other people down if it's something that moves us forward,
if it's something that actually brings us a little bit closer to
equality. Because I can understand that in
London there are a lot of people who have time because everything
was achieved, so now we have time to hate.
But here in Poland we have so much to do.
Like, really? Yeah.
Why? It's, it's mental.
I mean, have you seen any changes like since you've
started working like in this? Position, like what kind of
inspired you to get to the position as chairperson or like
what drove that? And I'm really interested to
understand because I don't understand like has there been
significant shift over the last few years and, and how has that
happened and what, what has that looked like?
Because I'm, I mean, we did do some research, but it was
actually quite thin on the ground as to understand the real
history and the kind of progress and the journey of equality in
Poland. So I'd really love to be able to
hear that from you. And I know that's a really long
that's. A big question, sorry.
I didn't want to become president of Warsaw Pride, OK, I
said no for three months. Really.
I was 22 at the time. Yeah, my God, I really wanted to
stay at the university. I really wanted to have a
scientific career. And I was afraid that being an
activist is going to stop me from this.
That was the biggest issue for me.
But the other thing was that I was super young, right?
I, I didn't want to have this kind of burden.
Yes, I will. I will call it that way on my,
on my shoulders. So at, at the beginning, I
really didn't want to take that. And at that time equality Parade
was small event. I would say we had 15 to 20,000
people coming. It was really not inclusive.
It was being made by gay men. So what I was lacking of was the
bigger representation of course from the community, but also the
just everything. I wanted everything to be
bigger. Come on.
So, so I had this vision. So I said no, even though I had
this vision. And then my friends from the the
volunteering team, because we were together in the
volunteering team, said Julia. This is the time, this is an
opportunity for us to make the pride as we want it to be and we
are going to do it with you if you are going to take it.
Yeah, so I did so I did. The first year was absolutely
amazing. We didn't knew what we are doing
at all, like everything was kind of coincidence I would say, I
suppose. There'd been no one there to
pave the way like you were literally start.
Yeah. What you.
Scratch. And then it's almost like, where
do you start? You just have to start
somewhere. We had two amazing men.
I'm I'm not usually saying that, so I would say don't.
How painful was that? Jesus Christ, I I could see the
gritted teeth there. Yeah.
We had Lukesh Pawetzky and Pavel Kypushevsky who taught me the
technical issues, like how to build a float because I didn't
know how to do that. So, so they, they gave me a lot
of know how and a lot of knowledge.
But the rest of this was, I mean, that was a circus, you
know, Like, everything was burning.
There was some monkey jumping over the roof, and there we are
dancing in the middle of this absolutely amazing time.
But then we kind of did it twice as much.
People came. Love.
That a lot of representation, a lot of different movements.
We were the first country in the world where Greenpeace took part
in pride. Yes, we we kind of started
talking to different companies and different brands.
Yes, Levi's was one of them. Levi's big up.
Levi's on this? Yeah.
And so, so we got some money that we could actually use to
build something bigger. Incredible.
And it it kind of grew. So in 2019, we had a parade of
approximately 70,000 people and we had huge Equality Town where
all of the NGOs were giving speeches and workshops so
everyone could educate themselves about different
minorities, not only LGBTQ people.
And I said to myself, that's wonderful, that's it, I did my
job, thank you. And then COVID came and you are
not leaving your organisation during crisis.
So I stayed and here I am still because last year we had a war,
so it was also kind of a crisis, and this year it is still kind
of a crisis situation for us. We are going to have a huge
representation from Ukraine. This is really important to us,
you know, the, this is something that actually keeps me going,
you know, to be able to use my power to give the streets of
Warsaw, to give them away to Ukrainian community, to have the
power to do that. That was the most amazing thing
last year. So we had a Warsaw key of pride
last year together. And yeah, what had what, what,
what changed? The political situation is
worse. I mean, you're not alone there.
In all fairness, yes. Sorry.
Everyone so far these. Were in shit together in that
sense. I mean the Brexit kind of paved
the way. Yes it is so the political
situation is worse but the the society is much further So right
now more than 50% of Polish society is pro equal rights for
LGBTQ people in general. I'm not talking about specifics.
Of course, adoption is still kind of a issue, but at least
equal partnerships and marriages.
And when I took over the Warsaw Pride, it was 12% as I believe.
Wow. So it's a, it's a huge.
Difference. It's a huge shift in our
society. So that's why I'm angry where
the politicians of opposition are saying, oh, the society is
not ready, they are. We have better percentage than
Ireland had, than Argentina had when they were introducing their
equal laws. So we are much further do you?
Know what I think that is, though?
They're shitting themselves. That's what it is.
Because for so long they've been able to spill a narrative that
queer people and gay people are just disgusting and we don't
deserve a place in this world. And you know, all of these
things. And I think it's easy to to
build a following whoever, you know, if you shout the loudest,
people will come, right? And you've managed to create
something that has built a following of support and that
probably was already always there, but people didn't feel
you've. You've created an openness that
people now feel they can and it's.
A big safe space as well even as.
An ally and yeah the opposition is shitting themselves and I
think that's probably why they're now screaming louder
about kind of debunking these things because eventually and I
do truly believe this not even just for Poland like every
country that is suffering with inequality we will come out on
top like historically you know whether you're talking about war
you're talking about you know gay rights trans rights we will
always prevail and I think they need to know that like it's not
going to ever go it's. Not going to go away.
I think that's the main thing is that they think that if they
brush it under the rug, it just so raises the gay people.
Like we just all go back into the closet and then just.
Yeah. And if they get angry enough and
if they get aggressive enough, then they will scare us into
submission. And I don't think that will ever
work. I mean, it never has.
Like historically, we've always come back.
And I think it's actually created change.
You know, it's creates movement sometimes when you get to a
point of an uprise of positivity and then you kind of get knocked
back a bit, but then it creates a further uprise of positivity
because you've already built that foundation.
And I think you will probably see that this year and probably
years to come that will just grow and grow and grow, which is
in incredible and something to be, you know, insanely, insanely
powered. Definitely.
That's great. Yeah, it is.
It's very. True.
Because I think we've always lived in a society that it's not
perfect. I mean, I've had hate crime on
the streets of London. I'm not going to sit here and
say that I haven't, but I know and I think it is that kind of
whisper of safety that we do have incredible organisations.
We have so many big corporations such as Levi's and other brands
and you know, massive sponsorships over in the UK that
do advocate for us massively. I.
Mean what you say as well, like even when you were growing up,
like not being able to have access to lesbians online.
I mean, I don't know what I would have done because like my
my, my feed was like Ellen were. You not allowed to stream the L
word, is that not? No, no, no.
At one point we were streaming the L Word, but I think I was 14
at that point. Yeah, I was.
We're streaming. It for the 6th time at the.
Moment we are yeah, back on season 1, but no, Oh my God.
That's a. Amazing, Julie.
That's a psychological. Issue I believe.
You go out, maybe change the world, right?
Yeah, we do that. We get on this little podcast
once a week and say little. My things.
And then we go home and we watch the L word with our day.
Cod. We are, can you switch?
Like, I really want that life. I know because I feel like you
berate us so hard. Like I know that when you were
doing extracurricular maths I was spending 18 hours a day on
Sims 3, but me and you, we're just not the same.
When you were doing extracurricular maths, I was
smoking weed in a park on my own.
I was Downing Lamborini by the bottle.
Yes, straight. Throwing up in my mum's car.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's two different
types of people in this world, Scarlett, right?
It feels so. Shit during there are not.
The different types of people, there is just some things they
cannot speak publicly about, you know?
Yeah, no. I'm working on a public
university. This is the point.
This is your time. But.
Yeah, we're here for you to speak as publicly as you want.
You know, is there anything because like we, we've asked you
all the questions, but like anything that you'd want people
of either like Poland or people, you know, university to, to
understand about the movements here or like what's.
Yeah. And how do we support Like what
we be doing you? Know the thing that I love about
Polish community and I'm talking about Polish, not Warsaw.
Sometimes people are putting equal between the two of them,
but it's not is that Warsaw is wonderful and we have wonderful
pride and you are more than welcome to come.
But this is not the real change that is being created in our
country and the real change is being made by small cities.
In 2017 we had seven prides in Poland, now we have 34.
Wow, 35 this year. That's amazing.
There's. Going to be some of the new and
we created Polish Prides Alliance.
You can find us online, we have a website to to kind of give the
voice back from this big, big NGOs from Warsaw who are usually
talking about how LGBTQ people live in Poland or how, how their
situation is to give it back to the regions to be for them to be
able to tell their own stories. So right now, what I really
believe in is that we have a wonderful time in Warsaw.
It's important to have Warsaw Pride.
We have a lot of of this regional activists coming to
have a great time, you know, and brief a little bit during our
pride. But the big difference, the big
change that the society is making is happening in these
regions. Last year we had the smallest
March in mileage. It's 12,000 inhabitants, 200
people came. This year we are going to have a
March in Shtum, which is 7000 inhabitants.
I know it sounds big for some of the countries, but in Poland
it's practically a village. So we will have a first village
pride. So I actually believe that the
change is not going to be created from Warsaw.
So if you're looking to support us, you can always sponsor the
pride itself. We need €1000 for a pride to
happen in a smaller city, OK. Amazing.
And do you have? Like links and things that we
can kind of put out there. Obviously fantastic I was being
born with links. Lesbians, we're flooding you
like this is your opportunity because you're not paying us.
So pay someone really believe because we're we're doing some
free labour for you lot over here.
So do not give money to Warsaw Pride, give it to regions.
They are doing marvellous thing. Yeah, I mean, with the money,
the amount of money that they have, they shouldn't be able to
do the things that they are doing.
This is amazing, truly. Blown away to hear that because
I grew up in a small town in the countryside.
We don't have that. No.
What we I've never had, there's no pride there.
So the fact that that's happening in, you know, a less
aggressive country that there are that is actually just again,
like, I'm blown away. There is clearly a lot of unity
here. It's just it's just a lot
looking it. It's literally just the
beginning, which is incredible. It's a lot of perseverance.
You know, people here, not only LGBTQ people, but also allies,
they are fed up with the amount of hate from our government.
So they are like, I didn't care about, you know, LGBTQ rights,
but I cannot stand, you know, the hate speech against the
group of people. Yes.
So I'm becoming an ally. I'm becoming an active ally to
actually support you. I.
Mean that's pretty great. And I find it hard to believe
that no one in this world just doesn't want peace, right?
So like, whether you actively support it or not, you surely
just want like an easy life. I think that's what we're all
asking for. We're just asking for a bit of
peace. Yeah, and like, have you ever
been to London before? Oh.
Yeah, honey, I love London. You love Sister.
Lived there for a few years and the first time I travelled there
I was flying alone. I was 11.
So that was that's when you found the lesbians, Yes, Yeah.
And. I was actually gay club in
London. Really.
Yeah. They paid the the security guard
to let me in with my. Head, that's amazing.
I mean, it didn't look like heaven if I have to be.
I mean it looks like hell, but called called.
Heaven. Oh no, I don't.
Know that I I absolutely don't. Look like hell.
That's amazing. The floor was super.
Sticky. Yeah, yeah.
They're underground and they are sticky, greasy dungeons.
Yeah, I've had some fantastic times there.
But but it's great. It's breeding Covic, isn't it?
Yeah. It's actually sounds like
Poland. I had a fantastic time there,
but. On that note, I've got two other
questions before we probably have bored you to death.
One being on the note of gay clubs, is there anywhere, if so
where, if people are visiting Warsaw to go out as a queer
person and have a really great time?
One is Madame Q, it's a burlesque show.
It's absolutely LGBTQ friendly. They have also a lot of drug
shows every every week. The safest place I have ever
been to completely completely go there, do it.
It's amazing and beside that La Pose, it's a new club also in
the city centre and the most amazing voguing team is being in
charge of it. So strike a pose.
That kind of vogue, yes. Love that you will see a lot.
Of tomorrow the. Parade tomorrow, you know where
she is. I'm in love the drag.
Show she's on the floor in the drag show.
Oh no. No, no, tomorrow I'm actually
sweeping floors and cleaning after your party.
So you're, you have to, you know, your family with our
lesbians. Will not leave you sweeping the
streets alone. Believe you love to know how
much of a strong dyke I like to be, so if you give me a task I
will do, I will. Told you, OK.
Why? Yes, that's so we always have a
session like we always come up with these things like gay
inanimate. Why is a broom a gay inanimate
object is like a like a street brush is very it's giving queer,
isn't it? It's.
Giving lesbian it is giving. But so as we were saying this
the other day, WD40, you know the oil that you use on your car
that's, that's gay. It's just so gay.
Yeah, it's so gay. Like so gay banners and nuts and
bolts and things like that. Anyway, I'm going to leave it on
one note. That's going to put you on the
spot a bit. And you don't have to, you don't
have to answer this. So usually at this time in the
podcast we have our disgusting followers submit their lesbian
horror stories and they are like horrific.
I'm not going to ask you to probably go to the length that
some of these people would go to because it is actually quite
traumatising, but is there any Horror Story or experience that?
Just a bit of. Shocker.
Give us a bit of insight on as to any experience you've had
over the last however many years you've been out.
That would give us a bit of laugh slash.
Maybe make us judge you a little bit, not in a positive way,
because you've had a lot of positive.
I actually think you need to be knocked down a peg you because
we've been complimenting you quite a lot, so I don't.
Think so? I'm an Angel.
I've had no crazy exes. You've never been the crazy ex.
You've never if you. Haven't had the crazy ex you
are, no. I'm in touch with all of my exes
as a proper lesbian. Should.
Wow, yes, yeah, I mean, fair. There's your one, yeah.
I have absolutely nothing bad to say about my exes.
That's surprising. Come on, I'm I'm actually.
Sorry. That's saying that you're the
red flag, though. If you don't have anything to
say, they've got a lot to say about you.
I I. I'm sure they do.
You have to contact them. I can give you now that we'll.
Get them on the phone, we'll be recording the whole.
Leave. We will do that.
Don't. Worry.
No, I I cannot think about any Horror Story busy.
Changing in the world, darling. No traumatising first day.
Oh. I have a traumatising first
date. Oh my God.
Something. Oh my God, that was the the
worst thing I have ever done. That's why I'm not online dating
dating anymore. So I met a girl online that was
super, you know, everything was super fun.
I mean, we had to really blast. So I said, OK, let's meet, let's
go for a beer. So we sit there for three hours,
the most amazing date you can imagine.
You know, everything is great, everything is wonderful.
And then she goes that she's voting for this far right
candidate in the presidential election and not the right wing
government that we have right now, the far right neo Nazi one.
Oh my God, and. There I am, and I'm like, how
the fuck should I escape from this situation?
So I said, Oh yeah, I mean, I'm super busy and I'm tired.
I have to go home. I I didn't know if I should tell
her, tell her that I think she's crazy or what.
I'm very surprised she didn't challenge her I.
Mean that was really good date, yeah.
Yeah. So I, I, I felt you were glad
you were. You were blindsided.
I was blind completely. So you know, she was, she was
walking me down to the metro station and she wanted to kiss
me. And there were, there were,
there was I saying I will absolutely never kiss Someone
Like You? That would.
Be like kissing a man, wouldn't it?
It's like that level of bad. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, that is really I. Never thought I'd say that, but
I think I'd rather kiss a man than someone who would vote for,
like, a fart. No, I would.
Like, I don't hate men. I mean, fucking hell, Scarlet,
that is. Yeah, I mean.
Everything would be better the this sticky floor in a gay club
would. Licking the sticky floor in a
gay club, obviously. So I just ran away.
Yeah, that. Was, I mean, fair?
Enough and it ties in really well to last week.
And I feel bad because I should stood up for myself, but that
was a good date. I was so shocked that I wrote,
you know, to my best friend. And I was like, how the what is
going on? How is it even possible?
You know, do. You know, there's got to be
something in the air at the moment because actually the last
week's Horror Story this girl had written in and she got on a
date with this other woman. They go home, they start having
sex and the girls like, I'll talk dirty to me.
So she starts talking dirty to her and she's like, no, get
worse, get worse, get worse. And this girls like, fuck, I
don't know what to say. And this girl looks up and was
like, I want you to call me Hitler.
So there's got to be. And she's screaming Hitler's
name as she comes with the girls fisting it has.
To be yeah, with the neo Nazis at the moment, it's just that
coming. I don't know why.
It's quite frightening. Maybe it was the same girl.
It could have been. Could have been the same girl.
Fuck yes it could have been. All connected it.
All Yeah, we are. Mentally, yeah, for sure, But.
Imagine if it is the same girl we.
Need to do some digging. Yeah, some investigation.
OK, so this kind of Horror Story, I absolutely don't have
one, but I have some horror stories from equal marches in
Poland, you know, So if you want to really hear a Horror Story
from a March that was attacked by neo Nazis, I have plenty of
that. No, yeah.
So when you said Horror Story, that was the first thing that my
mind flew. To so.
It was hard to come back to the dating side, you know?
Absolutely. See.
Again, you've shamed us because we're sat here talking about
pathetic lesbian Horror Story where we're all just sad, but
nothing that was not. My intention and.
You're out here talking about real horror stories that people
need to sort their shit out and stand up against.
But you know, but then that's why it's been so good to have
this conversation with you to, to really like spread that
awareness as well as much as we hopefully can on here and then
share all those links as well. Because even just like being
here makes you more aware. And, and that she sat down
speaking to you just makes us more painfully aware of, of how
much further, you know, things can go.
But the work that you're doing is incredible.
And. This is like a show.
Well done as well. To our listeners and some people
who have commented to us recently once we announced that
we were coming here, basically asking us why we'd go to a
homophobic country. First of all, use your fucking
brain. Second of all, how do you think
if you're living in your Pretty Little areas in LA or Canada or,
you know, London, what the fuck do you think happened
historically for you to get to that point?
Like if you're a queer person and you're not advocating and
supporting and actively, you know, standing up for other
countries and nations that do not have the privilege that you
do, look at yourself in the mirror because Pride is not just
a glitter party. Pride is there as a political
movement and. Poland Pride is still a riot.
Exactly. And yeah, you know, we all need
to wake up to that. Is that yes, we, we all, you
know, I think a lot of our listeners will come from such
privilege, but be very aware of that privilege.
It doesn't then absolve you for not supporting, you know, to not
support other countries and other, you know, your queer
family who have to exist in other spaces without the kind of
way that you're able to walk. Through the world.
And don't be scared to come to Poland.
I know it might, you know, sounds scary, but beside the
politicians, we have an amazing society that is going forward,
that is going for equal rights, not only for LGBTQ people.
So yeah, yeah. Drop by, say hi.
Yeah. Come over because I have not.
I mean, first of all, there's many hotels I want a nap in,
second of all. Food the.
Food I'm not going to be able to get through all the rest, not
going to be able to be. Scanning away to a lot of them.
And I do love to go to each country I go to.
I love to try the McDonald's hair but I can't do it this time
because it would be away. So I need to come back to be
able to justify just to have McDonald's.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.
Uncultured swines. Thank you.
Cultured. Yeah, the Lesbian Supper Club
are leaving you today with a sour taste in our mouth that we
are uncultured, lazy assholes. Amazing.
Have you to thank for that, Julie?
No, but seriously. Thank you so much because we.
Appreciate how absolutely busy you are, yeah.
You are rammed. So, so appreciate taking the
time and we really hope you guys enjoyed this episode as much as
we enjoyed creating it here today.
And again, just a massive thank you to Levi's because without
brands such as this out here advocating for us, you know,
these things don't happen. Exactly.
So on that note, we love you lesbians and everyone else, and
we will see you very, very, very soon.
Happy. Pride.
Happy pride, Happy. Pride.
Bye, guys.