1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,240 The Better Business Analysis Institute. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,120 Presence, the Better Business analysis Podcast with. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,960 Kenjan. Walsh, hi everybody and welcome 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,560 back to the Better Business Analysis. 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,200 Podcast with. Benjamin Walsh. 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,120 Proudly brought to you by the. Better. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,840 Business Analysis Institute. We've had a number of you visit 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,200 our website and sign up recently. 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,000 I just want to say thank you so much. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,480 For those who've. Done. 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,000 Our Free. Course posted. 12 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,840 It and tagged as it. We really appreciate it and 13 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,200 helps us grow. And helps people know more about 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,920 our. Organization and podcast and it 15 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,360 just helps. Make BAS better. 16 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,440 And what I've noticed is there's a. 17 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,160 Lot of people that. Are looking for a career change 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,280 and they start. Listening to this podcast. 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,840 And it motivates them to become ABA. 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,640 And for me, you know, that's awesome. 21 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,400 OK, so this episode we are. Going to talk? 22 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,800 About a topic. That, you know, it's actually 23 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,840 been stuck in my head. For a while, I knew. 24 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,280 That this counter discipline existed which comes out of the. 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,720 Architecture Space Tolgoff Bible for architects. 26 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,000 I knew that this. Position existed. 27 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,720 Within the architecture. Space and I knew that it 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,680 overlapped. With the. 29 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,680 Areas of. Business analysis. 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,920 That I love. So I'm going. 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,960 To take us. Through the difference between. 32 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,240 A business architect. And a business. 33 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Analyst, so the. Official definition from, you 34 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,600 know, one. Source is business, Architecture 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,880 is the. Blueprint. 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,560 By how? An organization creates. 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,640 And delivers value. What a great. 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,320 Sentence How An. Organization creates and 39 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,360 delivers. Value. 40 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,040 That really talks. To my heart. 41 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,840 Because that for me is exactly what. 42 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,040 ABA should be. Doing. 43 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,600 Now, usually and we'll. This is. 44 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,520 Dipping into the differences. ABA is. 45 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,479 Generating or. Maximizing value. 46 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:12,920 From a change and a business architecture creates value. 47 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:15,000 And we'll talk. About how you create value in a 48 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,520 minute if we continue on. In the definition, so a business 49 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,000 architect. Now business architecture is the 50 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,400 blueprint. For how an. 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,000 Organization creates and delivers. 52 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,440 Value. It's like a map. 53 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,680 That shows the different. Parts of the business. 54 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,160 How they're connected and how they work together. 55 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,400 To achieve the. Organization's. 56 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Goal or both. OK, so if you think about an 57 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,320 architect who will help build a house if you've. 58 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,600 Ever watched Grand Designs? British. 59 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:52,280 British. I'm sure there's an American 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,640 equivalent. Great. 61 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:54,560 Great show. Love it. 62 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,280 And there's, you know. Architects who are. 63 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,640 Working with clients and it's. Follows the building. 64 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:04,480 Process and the designs are are grand. 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,360 Right. They're not just everyday 66 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,440 builds. They're usually quite 67 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,600 complicated. You know, they've really got a 68 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,960 bit of. Hardcore architecture involved. 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,880 Or the architects. Actually leading the project, 70 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,480 sometimes much to the. Sorrows of the budget of the. 71 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,600 Person who's paying for it and you know, they're. 72 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,240 Really crafted. A structure they. 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:28,720 Usually have a model. Of what? 74 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:29,520 The house. Is going to. 75 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,240 Look like and you know they work with the building team who has 76 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,800 to actually make it happen. Now if you think that the 77 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,920 business. Is the. 78 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,680 House so your. Organization is a house. 79 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,240 OK, so it. Could be your. 80 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Existing house. Or it could. 81 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,360 Be. And a change towards this new 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,200 house. Or it could be a new. 83 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,040 Build so regardless you either and we'll talk about those two 84 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:50,920 states. So there's. 85 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Either a current State House on the same piece of land you're 86 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,480 talking about your your business area. 87 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,720 Or a new build on the. Same piece of land. 88 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,920 You. Conduct or work with an. 89 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,000 Architect who will? Then you know, design. 90 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,960 What the house should look like. And that is true business. 91 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Architecture so if. If the piece. 92 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,280 Of land was. The business area and you were. 93 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,600 Going to set up a new organization, the business. 94 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,160 Architect could actually work out things like the capabilities 95 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:17,839 that. You need. 96 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,680 In order to exist. They would. 97 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,320 They would map out. All the. 98 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,920 Elements this specific components of business 99 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,120 architecture. For what you need and if you 100 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,840 were. Taking. 101 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,560 An existing house and you were changing it Or then? 102 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,160 They would work at. The transitional state? 103 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,960 To get there. OK, so they really talk about 104 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,720 the organization as a whole. And there's a couple of. 105 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,920 There's four key elements. Of business architecture. 106 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,160 That you need to worry about. So one is capabilities. 107 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,400 So they are the. Skills and resources. 108 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,640 That an organization needs to deliver its products or 109 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,640 services. So think about those. 110 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,120 More than. Processes, so they. 111 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,960 Are the processes at the highest level? 112 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,000 But they include the resources. And the skills in order. 113 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,160 To deliver. On those. 114 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,720 Areas so that the highest level processes. 115 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Of an organization is one way to say and BA words. 116 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,800 Obviously it is the processes themselves which takes something 117 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,080 from X and. Takes it to Y. 118 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,520 And so that could be a manufacturing process. 119 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,600 It could be you know all the steps. 120 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,240 Along the way. They. 121 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,360 Actually use the term value stream and they they. 122 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,600 Use the word. Value stream which links to the 123 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,760 creation of value because it should be in terms of what? 124 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,480 End customer is getting. OK. 125 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,400 Not internally focused external and that's one. 126 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,040 Of the differences we'll talk about soon. 127 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,800 Information. So they talk about what is. 128 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,280 The data and knowledge that an organization needs. 129 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:48,120 To operate effectively, could be. 130 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,840 Things like if. You're a hospital. 131 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:52,240 There may be patient records. Or medical. 132 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,080 Protocols. Or financial data. 133 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,320 And then the. Organization itself. 134 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,800 So the business units, the departments, the teams, the 135 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,600 reporting relationships, the stakeholders within an 136 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,240 organization. So capabilities, processes. 137 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,800 Actually value. Streams I would say. 138 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,600 And not processes and and that helps. 139 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,920 Define the differences here Information organization. 140 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,280 OK. So well designed business 141 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:16,760 architecture. Just like a house. 142 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:20,680 Means that an. Organization is aligning its 143 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,680 strategy with its operations. And I talk a. 144 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,880 Lot about the. Enterprise and strategic 145 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,360 analysis. Space of business. 146 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,560 Analysis And this is where the. Overlap. 147 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Is the strongest. For me, you. 148 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,120 Could argue that the BA is playing in the strategic. 149 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,160 And enterprise analysis space and very much more shifting 150 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,200 left, they are dipping into business. 151 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,720 Architecture and actually. There are some well defined ways 152 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,160 of doing this. Which? 153 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Business architecture have already, you know, laid the. 154 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,600 Blueprints and the. Foundations for. 155 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,440 And we should be using those. Techniques OK. 156 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,720 So but like. When we go, you know, so far 157 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,880 into. Changing the organization, 158 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,360 working with stakeholders, we should adopt. 159 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,240 Change management methodologies. This the. 160 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,960 Same could be said when you're doing strategic planning, you 161 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,040 should dip. Into business architecture 162 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,720 techniques. So also a couple of the other 163 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,360 benefits of. A great well. 164 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,600 Designed business architecture is decision. 165 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,280 Making is really clear so you know who's accountable for what. 166 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,080 You've got agility, so you can change. 167 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,120 To a market, so you're looking. Externally. 168 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,280 Pull this five forces. And then you can. 169 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,320 Look at how your organization. Create and and it. 170 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,400 Dips into a bit of links, into a bit. 171 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,880 Of reducing. Cost, so removing duplication. 172 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,240 And it can even. Point off to Six Sigma, but at 173 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,200 this moment it really is the idea about business. 174 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,000 Architecture is to kind of say. Well, if your house for example. 175 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,560 Has three rooms. That have. 176 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,720 You know distinct and. Maybe you've got yourself. 177 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,640 Your yourself, your partner and two kids, 3 rooms. 178 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,400 It's saying, well, that's. The way you. 179 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,000 Operate today, but an architect can see beyond. 180 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,400 Those walls like knock them down in their in their design. 181 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Plan and go. What about this? 182 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,400 And that's exactly. What Business Architecture's 183 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:17,240 about? It gives you. 184 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,160 Freedom to not. Worry about where the walls are 185 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,200 today. And that's the analogy that. 186 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,600 Relates to a. House build quite. 187 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,200 Nicely. So looking really. 188 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,360 At the future. So. 189 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,560 There's a lot of frameworks that business. 190 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,520 Architecture relates to. There's the business. 191 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,840 Architecture Guild Guild, which is the BAG. 192 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,280 They have a body of knowledge just like the BAS. 193 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,720 Do so it's. Called so BA, you know it's the. 194 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,280 Body of knowledge in terms of. Bulbach and they have a Baba. 195 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,720 Which is Business Architecture? A book of knowledge. 196 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,680 So you know. That's quite similar to the IBA. 197 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,600 And they're probably. A really good. 198 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,160 Startup for 10 is. The Business Architecture Guild, 199 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,000 if you. Want to find out more 200 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,680 information? The other major. 201 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,400 Framework you may have heard of or you. 202 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,840 Should have if. You've done solution 203 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,720 architecture or you've dipped? Into that space. 204 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,120 Or you've used the tool Enterprise Architect, which is 205 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:09,840 a. Tool. 206 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,760 A modeling tool. It's all. 207 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,960 Aligned with a framework. Called Togoff. 208 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,760 And Togoff stay and actually stands for the Open Group 209 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,080 Architecture Framework and it's really known as being the most. 210 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,520 Popular and widely. Used architecture framework and 211 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,680 the reason why. Togoff's good, but usually 212 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,760 associated. With the building. 213 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,800 So the solution. Architecture and the development 214 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,440 around it. There is a. 215 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,720 A whole area. On business architecture. 216 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,920 And so you'll. Find that sometimes. 217 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Business architects. Don't come from VA. 218 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,360 World at all? They come from a technical 219 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,960 mindset from, you know, studying Togoff and then loving working. 220 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,600 With the business and then turning into business 221 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,480 architects. So that's kind of the. 222 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,040 Way that happens because of course. 223 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,800 We don't have. A word called business 224 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,720 architecture. Within the BA. 225 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,440 Space. So that is why. 226 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,920 You find that architects sometimes go into the space and 227 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,600 it's a bit frustrating because they have different ways. 228 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,280 Of doing things. But a great. 229 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:13,920 Business architects, actually. Above them. 230 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,800 And they work. Quite nicely with BA. 231 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,280 So I'm going to give you, you might say, to. 232 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:19,920 Yourself. Well. 233 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,480 OK, well isn't this. The same. 234 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:22,960 As what you sometimes talk about. 235 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,760 Being in terms. Of working closer. 236 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,720 To the left, so I'm going. To talk about the difference. 237 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Between or give you 10 differences between Business 238 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,640 Analysts and Business. Architects OK. 239 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,000 In the real world, and and you may have not never have met. 240 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,080 A business architect. I think I've met one. 241 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,200 OK, New Zealand is small. I've worked with architects. 242 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Technical architects usually when you say architects. 243 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,840 You there's a. Implied IT. 244 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Architect. At the front. 245 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,280 But a really? Good business architect. 246 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,640 I've only really worked with one. 247 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Really good one. So it's much more popular to be 248 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,400 ABA. Well, at least. 249 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,000 In New Zealand. So let's go through 10. 250 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,680 Differences and this will give you an idea and I might. 251 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:13,720 Debate some of these. Differences along the way. 252 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,880 Just to give. You my perspective. 253 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:22,560 And remember I am AI Guess progressive business analyst and 254 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,640 our institute is. Talking about moving. 255 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,840 BA forward and. Part of that you could save, I 256 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,120 just really was to keep it really simple. 257 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,960 It's around moving. BA's closer. 258 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,000 To business architecture. OK, not. 259 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,840 To the role, but there I feel like. 260 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,320 The gap is. Between where BAS are today and. 261 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,200 Closer to this. Role so these. 262 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,920 Differences will. Highlight obviously. 263 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,360 The difference between ABA and. A business architect, but. 264 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,560 It'll also point. To some of those. 265 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,480 Gaps there that. Could be filled. 266 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,040 By senior BAS. OK. 267 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,160 The number one kind of difference. 268 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Is focus. So business architects, they. 269 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,720 Focused on the. Overall structure. 270 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,280 And future. Of the business. 271 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,840 OK, so that that's it. They're not bogged. 272 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,720 Down with the individual initiative, even though they 273 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,320 might help scope. Or. 274 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,160 Prioritize. Those. 275 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:19,760 So business architects. Design and optimize. 276 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,080 Business model. OK, business models. 277 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,480 So which model might be best for this market? 278 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,240 Is it? Should you do? 279 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,600 You know, like an Airbnb. Marketplace model or? 280 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,400 Should you just sell to? Consumers directly, so quite, 281 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,560 you know, very high level. The capability, So what? 282 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,640 Does the organization? What areas? 283 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,360 Of the organization need to exist to support that model. 284 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,760 So like if you're selling? Your Airbnb for example. 285 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,880 You will need a sales division. Or a sales team the value stream 286 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,240 across the. Process across the organization. 287 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,440 Sometimes they. See it as the processes. 288 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Across the organization. I'm going to say. 289 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,600 Value stream and and and. As it's a. 290 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,920 Different world, but you may have heard of value. 291 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Streams with people that. Deal with Kaizen. 292 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,440 For me. A value stream in BA. 293 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,680 World is the customer journey. In the most optimal way. 294 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:13,960 OK, and the value? Stream is the. 295 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,600 Organization view. Of that, so for me it's level, 296 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,840 process level. One and. 297 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,440 Your BA world should be the. Value stream OK. 298 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:24,440 And then below. There the capabilities we need. 299 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,360 So BAS though. And this is true very much. 300 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,680 True, and I believe. It too. 301 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,200 Are very problem. Specific, right? 302 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,000 And their job. Is to work. 303 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Within a project. To deliver solutions being a 304 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,120 product service change. And so they are looking at the 305 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:47,120 requirements around that problem domain processes and then the. 306 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Gap generally between IT and the business and the gap in terms of 307 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,440 current or future. State so that's the difference, 308 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,120 so. Kind of. 309 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Basically in the different direction, back-to-back. 310 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,640 BA looking. Almost down but but down but as 311 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,320 a result of strategy. Whereas. 312 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,560 A business architect's looking up and even defining the 313 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,000 business. OK, so this is a the house and 314 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,480 then the builder if you like. Scope So. 315 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,360 BA is primarily and this. Would be true are. 316 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Looking at individual. Projects, initiatives. 317 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,720 OK, so they usually. Focus on one area, one. 318 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:27,920 Scope. Defined. 319 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,040 Scope one business. Case yes, you might have. 320 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,200 An. Enterprise Business analyst. 321 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,000 Who's working? Across the organization in terms 322 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,360 of processes. But they might be looking down. 323 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,280 And business architects they look at. 324 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,240 The entire organization, they take a holistic view, so they 325 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,280 look. At all parts of the. 326 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,640 Business and their interaction and the reason. 327 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,760 That enterprise BA? And a business architect could 328 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:50,400 work. Together. 329 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,680 Is that the business architect Again, they might be. 330 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,440 Standing back-to-back. The business. 331 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Architect's looking. Across the organization. 332 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,440 But responding to strategic needs. 333 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,200 And then the enterprise BA might be looking. 334 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,440 At How the Enterprise? Deals with those needs. 335 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,480 OK. So there is room for both there. 336 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,400 In terms of. Activities BA is a you know. 337 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,240 Trying to elicitate requirements, analyze data. 338 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,440 Document. Processes create user stories, 339 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,920 facilitate workshops. And really, they're going. 340 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,520 From the what to the how, OK. So they're data oriented. 341 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,040 You even get BIS. Who are you know? 342 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,880 Quite Systems analysts. Who work quite low. 343 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,200 And a business architect are again looking at business 344 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,080 models. They're looking at. 345 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,120 Target operating models. OK. 346 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,640 So they're looking at like what? Operator? 347 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,640 Model might actually work. You know what? 348 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,800 Divisions. Do we need they do look at 349 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,760 capability maps, so they do capability maps. 350 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,200 Quite a bit. So they might say, if the 351 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,160 organization needed. These 12 capabilities or it's 352 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,680 usually about. 23 if you look at. 353 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,960 The APQC model. There might be like 20. 3 high 354 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,880 level divisions from sales to product management to HR. 355 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,520 To IT those. Kind of things. 356 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,040 Those big boxes you could develop. 357 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Capability maps and then grade where we are today and where we. 358 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,600 Want to be in the future? They're looking at really 359 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,320 aligning business and IT strategy and I'm currently I'm 360 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,240 currently working on a. Consulting piece of work. 361 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,280 Where a need for business. Architect is huge. 362 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,240 But also an enterprise. Solution. 363 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,080 Architect or Enterprise? Architect they call them to. 364 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,960 Work with a. Business architect. 365 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,640 And you know the fact the. Organization doesn't have that 366 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,040 and. It's quite IT driven. 367 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Is causing issues in terms of trying to get some wins there. 368 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:35,960 They might even. Recommend. 369 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,160 Changing the steps Business architects. 370 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:39,680 And they're strategic. Thinkers. 371 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,160 So they're. Focusing on the why, OK and and 372 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,480 and the what. Where the overlap. 373 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Is with the PA the. Skills I guess. 374 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,840 BAS need to be really analytical. 375 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,320 They need to communicate. They need to have. 376 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,480 Knowledge of business domains Learn. 377 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,080 Quickly, they generally. Understand the tools. 378 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,840 That are there. I would. 379 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,960 Say that. You know a process modelling. 380 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,280 Would be #1 in. Terms of how I. 381 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,680 Train junior. BAS start. 382 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:07,800 Doing process modelling. Enterprise architects are more 383 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,720 strategic thinking change management. 384 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,920 Like I said, Togoff. Frameworks and even. 385 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:15,319 Business modelling techniques. They may have. 386 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,599 It is very, very close. To MBA. 387 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,119 Kind of stuff as well in terms of those strategic. 388 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,400 Planning techniques. ABA will have. 389 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,760 You know. A bachelor's degree. 390 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,960 In business or business analysis, they'll have a 391 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,200 certification like the Certified Bit of Business Analysis 392 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Certification that we offer business architects will. 393 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Generally be more than that, Yeah. 394 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Might be an MBA. Or they'll have a. 395 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,360 Enterprise Architecture Certification. 396 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:46,280 And that's the reason why those two worlds of. 397 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,960 Body of knowledge is don't kind of. 398 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,680 Overlap. They've. 399 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:58,880 Come from a different place. Both of those roles work closely 400 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,520 with. The business stakeholders, OK. 401 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,040 So they might both be talking to the same people. 402 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,960 But business architect? Would be managing what we call 403 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,600 managing app. So they manage. 404 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,120 Up with. Senior leaders they. 405 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:15,840 Should be invited. To the exec. 406 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,960 And so. You know, BAS would be more down 407 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,000 at the. SME level. 408 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,760 In terms of. Career paths, I mean. 409 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,280 BAS can progress. To architects. 410 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:32,640 But generally what you will. Find is that. 411 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,800 The career path is really like I said. 412 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,160 From the architecture space to kind of business architecture. 413 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,680 So there's just some differences there. 414 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,200 I tried to list off about. 10 or. 415 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Two for each. Area of the. 5:00 So we talked 416 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,080 about focus, scope, activities, skills, and education. 417 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,800 And so yeah. So that's really. 418 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,920 The difference between business architecture? 419 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,040 And business analysis and you could. 420 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,680 Say Well, that's nice. Why? 421 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,960 What does the? Iiba Think about. 422 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,240 This what is what is what? Is the official. 423 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,280 International Institute of. Business analysis What do they 424 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,920 think about business architects? Do they have a response? 425 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:16,720 To it. Because I I. 426 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,440 Find that fascinating and they don't have a dedicated. 427 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,680 Certification we also. Don't. 428 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,800 I'm just not. That much of an expert I would 429 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,480 consider myself a. A medium level. 430 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,120 Business architect myself. I am not. 431 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:35,160 In a position where I'm an expert to be able to teach 432 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,960 others. But I really do enjoy that 433 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,000 space. So I I was interested to. 434 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,880 Find out what is the IRB actually. 435 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:48,160 Does it acknowledge the existence of business? 436 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,000 Architects and how does it? How does it? 437 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,240 Talk about that. And of course, you know I have 438 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,720 my. Opinions on the IBAI think 439 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:55,800 they're great, but they. Are. 440 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,480 Very much. Stagnated in terms of response 441 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,040 responding. They're not. 442 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,440 Active in terms of pursuit or progression. 443 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,920 So they do define business architecture. 444 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:06,840 They. Do talk about. 445 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,360 It they talk about them that they're related. 446 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:11,400 But distinctly different. Disciplines. 447 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,480 They define business architecture as the practice of 448 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,160 designing and developing the blueprints for an organization's 449 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,240 capability, processes and information flows. 450 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,960 I don't like the word process there because. 451 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:22,840 Like I said. That. 452 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,920 Looks that very much dips into. The BA space. 453 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:28,640 It kind of. Talks about the. 454 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,440 Fact That business architects. Are. 455 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,120 BAS, I wouldn't. Say that's necessarily. 456 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,600 True. I guess if you if you if you 457 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,720 take the definition of BA. Being everything then you can. 458 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Say. That it highlights. 459 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,720 The need for business, architects and. 460 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,080 BAS to work together, you know, helping with the. 461 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,920 Bridge between IT. And business and then looking 462 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,080 for an overarching framework. It talks about. 463 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,480 There's a transition. From BA to Architecture there's 464 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:58,400 even. A couple of. 465 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,720 Resources called business. Analysis to business 466 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,520 architecture Why make the shift? To webinar that. 467 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,840 Can tell you about the differences and prepare for the 468 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,200 transition. But. 469 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:16,840 If you really want to study what architecture's all about, I 470 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,320 would suggest to be a bot. Guide now that isn't. 471 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,320 It's about the. Same as the business analysis 472 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,920 body of lot knowledge from the. IRBA, which is Babak and it's B, 473 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,680 it's Baba. K with a small. 474 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,600 Sorry. OK. 475 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,880 So Bab. OK. 476 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,560 And so it's about. Exactly the same, just with a 477 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,440 small. OK to represent. 478 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,240 The. Architecture space. 479 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,520 So it's quite interesting they've even. 480 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,760 Used the same. Name there. 481 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,640 Now they do. Reference each other so they 482 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,720 can't. You know it's it's. 483 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,120 I guess they're talking they're. Taking the safe. 484 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:01,800 Route here I would say. That. 485 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,160 You it's not. Overly helpful. 486 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,120 To look at that. I think. 487 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,560 For me, purposely, I would say that there's I would my own 488 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,720 definition. Is that? 489 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,160 There is an. Overlap but. 490 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,960 The business architecture. Space has matured. 491 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,280 And is ingrained in the togoff methodology. 492 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,360 And the architecture space. And the BAS have come from 493 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,560 another line, if you. Think about those as two 494 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,600 parallel streams. And there is. 495 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,360 The level. That's more strategic. 496 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,400 As business architecture. In which? 497 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,240 ABA will. Act on. 498 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,520 Some of the initiatives that a business architect might do. 499 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,480 OK. And have you were getting into 500 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,880 the? Enterprise BA space. 501 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,480 And you weren't. Satisfied by just? 502 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,840 Looking. Across the enterprise and you 503 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,080 really wanted to get more into a? 504 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,600 Strategic. Space. 505 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,840 I would say that would be. When your transition to business 506 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,800 architecture would make sense. And I do. 507 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,680 Think that I don't think that an enterprise. 508 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,640 Architect, which is supposed to look at both technical and 509 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,880 business architecture. Is quite the top. 510 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,520 I actually think business architecture at the top in terms 511 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,840 of that kind of highest level analyst for the organization. 512 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,600 So don't. What I'm trying? 513 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,720 To say there is, don't feel like you are throwing away your BA 514 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,520 career by looking. At business architecture. 515 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,680 But I would say that it helps to have a. 516 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,520 Very strong senior. BA. 517 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:34,280 Experience maybe 10 years and and has and have worked. 518 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,720 Sorry, as enterprise. Business analyst for a number of 519 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,280 years and. Understand the fundamentals of 520 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,280 business. And a. 521 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,360 Little bit about. Architecture. 522 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,160 And then maybe. Look at. 523 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Stepping into business architecture as your kind of. 524 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,240 Final career before. Maybe moving into consulting? 525 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,040 If you want to, if you're not going to be a manager. 526 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,000 I. Would say this is kind. 527 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,360 Of like the highest level specialist role you can get. 528 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,680 Business architects. Could do get paid. 529 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,240 Well as well. But there aren't many jobs out 530 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,560 there. For them, because not every day 531 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,520 businesses are looking at changing their models. 532 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,760 So you do. Find that these. 533 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,760 Roles or their skills that they provide. 534 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,040 Are sometimes provided. By say the top 4, the deloittes 535 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,200 and the PWCS and the KPMGS of the world who have templated. 536 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,680 Ways of doing this. So I hope. 537 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,400 That I have given you a little bit of. 538 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,680 An insight in terms of business architects. 539 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,320 Who look at the. Strategic planning side and 540 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,840 business model side. And value streams and 541 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,520 information and. Capabilities that an 542 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,920 organization needs to. Have in. 543 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,920 Place in. Order to operate effectively. 544 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,120 And you know the difference between that and what BAS. 545 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,800 Do which is more. Looking at the. 546 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,000 Projects, the initiatives, you know, activating the strategy. 547 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,240 Actually doing some stuffs instead of just designing it. 548 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,520 And now I'm not minimizing that. I think it's really important to 549 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,400 have the stuff in place. I'm very passionate about 550 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,920 myself. And I'll leave it. 551 00:24:58,920 --> 00:24:59,280 There.