1 00:00:20,730 --> 00:00:24,290 Hello and welcome to another episode of the Run to You're 2 00:00:24,290 --> 00:00:26,890 Done podcast. Today's guest. 3 00:00:26,930 --> 00:00:31,050 We are very fortunate to have an emerging Scottish endurance 4 00:00:31,050 --> 00:00:34,730 runner from Aberdeen. He is known for his versatility 5 00:00:34,730 --> 00:00:38,130 across the trails, the hills and marathon events. 6 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,000 He races with Metro Aberdeen Running Club and he's very 7 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,240 recently made a name for himself in the Scottish Hill running 8 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,280 soccer. If you don't know who I'm 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,720 talking about, welcome Kaden, Tom All. 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,720 Right folks, how's it going? Welcome, Kaden. 11 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,080 Thank you for coming on. So the first question that we 12 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,120 ask every guest that joins us as how did you first get into 13 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:09,400 running? So it started, we'd be probably 14 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,640 around the age of 10. My dad was doing well, running 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,080 just to keep fit. Like the odd occasions, 5 KS, 10 16 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,480 KS, nothing mental, you know, back in the times where you 17 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,240 would just press record on your phone and that would be it. 18 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,320 Kind of seen it and thought, oh, I'll just join in and do some 19 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:31,920 runs with him. So yeah, young, OK, didn't try 20 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,040 to keep up with his dad. I was doing it to keep fit for 21 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,560 football as well. And then after my granddad 22 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,400 passed in 2017, my dad took values. 23 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Either, you know, some folk deal with grief differently, some 24 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,280 folk vote the drinking, some folk vote, you know, whatever 25 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,840 else. But dad said you just kind of 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,080 put all the effort into his running, kind of found it that 27 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,480 it cleared his mind and he started doing the ultras. 28 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,280 He started D 33 was his first one. 29 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,120 They jumped from 1/2 marathon and went straight into D33. 30 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,720 So I was like, I've kind of inspired by it. 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,120 So I just decided right, no, I'm just going to, you know, give up 32 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,199 your balls spending most of time on the bench anyways. 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,400 So I was like I was going to go fool him in the running. 34 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,320 And so I did just kind of built up from there. 35 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,520 Know that just little 5K is 10K is the little races. 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,400 And I think my first one was money Muddy Musk. 37 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,840 It was called. It's like a lot of three Ki 38 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,080 Think I came second that. Yeah, I think, you know, I was 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,920 probably like 12 at a time I think, and that was kind of just 40 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:34,080 the start of it. And then I got my little Psalm 41 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,360 and speed cross 4 over the start, red and yellow and me 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,520 away starting to the trail community. 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,480 So yeah. So your your dad did D33? 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:49,640 I've unfortunately done it 10 times so probably a race against 45 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:52,040 them. Have you done it? 46 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,520 No, I am. I'm hoping to do it soon. 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,000 I would like to do it. I was there this year supporting 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,640 Thomas Lindy and also my cousin's boyfriend Reese 49 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,520 Blackwood. He was doing it for the first 50 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,280 time and I just feel like it's such a good community. 51 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,200 Also Rod Wallace and not seeing him there and I was went and 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,680 also all the boys from the bomb, they're just, you know, good 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,200 group of lads, funny. So yeah, no, I'd like to give 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,680 back to them and me, you know, turn up one day and give it a 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,840 go, whether that's year or maybe later, but I won't say I. 56 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,000 I I would say it's basically if you can run a marathon, you can 57 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,640 do that. It's a marathon plus a 10K on 58 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,360 the end. Exactly, Yeah. 59 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,640 My my marathon PB is during that race. 60 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,080 I think it's a few. I think Thomas did that this 61 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:50,920 year so tends to help. But it's not your your chosen 62 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,520 style of racing. You're normally in hills and 63 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,360 trails. What's the appeal of that? 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,840 I see. I prefer the mountains and 65 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,800 trails just to how they make me feel. 66 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,360 You know, the roads are great if you want to get the speed, you 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,680 know, having fast times is a brilliant thing. 68 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,440 But running for me is more about the feeling. 69 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,840 You know, when you get a quiet, you can't be a quiet trail, you 70 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,519 know, amazing scenery, upper hills, nothing bothering you, no 71 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,720 Rd. noise. No, you know, jumping step to 72 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,600 step. Or if you're running through 73 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,440 Union Street where you're nearly getting taken out by the slabs, 74 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,840 then it's somewhat, you know, it's there's nothing that to 75 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:34,120 deal with. It's just, yeah, it's more of an 76 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,680 escape. But you know, this has its own 77 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,160 like hard sessions and you can run a road really fast. 78 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,280 That's tough. You can run up a hill really 79 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:46,680 hard, and that's tough. It has its own, you know, you 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,560 can train either or. I tend to train Rd. just to get 81 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,080 the speed up to transfer it into the trail. 82 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,920 But then I train all the trails so that the hill builds the 83 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,520 hills. Build a better engine if you 84 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,840 will. And yeah, that helps me. 85 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,440 But yeah, I don't really like Rd. run to be honest. 86 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,720 I'm more as well. I do the road just so I can get 87 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,440 fast. Sorry get like decent times but 88 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,320 the times are really the big thing for me. 89 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Use it as a tool to get to where you need to be. 90 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,280 Exactly. That's exactly it, yeah. 91 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,480 I love it that you say that you run up the hill as well. 92 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,400 That's took a while to get used to. 93 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,240 There's still times I'll power hacky, but this isn't the 94 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,160 happening today. But no, it's yeah, it takes 95 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,320 somebody, takes somebody a while. 96 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,800 I tell you what, I bet your power hiking face isn't bad 97 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,520 either. I don't know, like as usually 98 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,720 me, hands on my knees, crying because it's got really sore. 99 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,520 You mentioned earlier on that you started running when you're 100 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,840 about 10. How old are you now I'm. 21 Now, 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:59,360 just turned 21 in January. Just a young Weber snapper 102 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:06,280 compared to some of us. Anyway, next question I've got 103 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:10,560 here is about hills. It's Monroe's in particular. 104 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,520 For those that don't know, Monroe's are hills over 3000 105 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,960 feet. I'm not sure if Nicky knows 106 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,960 something that I don't, but have you been out bagging them? 107 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,000 How many have you bagged? See, the only thing is being a 108 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,120 hill runner, and this was the question I always get asked, oh, 109 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,160 how many minerals you have? I have no clue. 110 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,360 I have like, I run them and I forget them. 111 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,600 I was like the other weekend, the clean Laric running with 112 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,680 Jacob Adkin, Robbie Simpson and Andy Douglas, and we went up one 113 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,040 of them and already I think I got back to the car and forgot 114 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,360 which one we had done. So yeah, I'm not very good. 115 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,560 If I can name like the top ones I like like probably say I've 116 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,440 done Karen Gorm like the main one and then I've done scar guy 117 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:09,840 off and Ben Macdewey, Ben Nevis and stick a crying and that's 118 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,480 like the ones off the top of my head. 119 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,040 I could say I've done definitely. 120 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,080 If you're ever, if you're ever down this neck of the woods 121 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,400 again, article's a great place to go as well because there's 122 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,160 four really close to each other that I don't know if it is, it 123 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,680 probably is still a race, but there is a hill race down here 124 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,360 that's probably people are going to be shouting at the phones and 125 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,360 radios and that now like telling me the name of it. 126 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,840 But it's such a good race looking at the course on it, and 127 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,800 then you see the times and you're like, how like is so fast 128 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:48,960 I. Think is it? 129 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Are they quite joined together? Yeah. 130 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,000 Aye. So you know, once you're up, 131 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,560 you're up. Really. 132 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Is it? I don't know so much though in 133 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,840 Attica, I don't know if there is like you're saying like 1 should 134 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,880 up, but I think there is quite a lot like you know, you go back 135 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,000 down and then it's not well, I don't think any of them are 136 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:13,080 easy. There is a website called Walk 137 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Highlands that lets you log in and record what ones you've done 138 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,120 so you don't need to remember them. 139 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,560 You just look at them on the map and you like basically tick a 140 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,560 box, say done that one and then forget about it. 141 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,040 I've got one of those maps, so I do fold out ones. 142 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,240 It's just a scrape away thing. Yeah, it's somewhere under my 143 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,559 bed, yeah. Exactly the same idea, but it's 144 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:35,960 an online version. Yeah. 145 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,320 OK, then you, you've got youth on your side. 146 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,440 You could start again. That's true. 147 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:48,480 That's it. So, so as we mentioned in the 148 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,320 introduction, you're a part of Aberdeen Metro. 149 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:59,960 How and when did you join them? I would have joined Metro, I 150 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:07,480 think when I was 14 as a junior. And then that was right up until 151 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,040 I was about 16 drive. When I started driving 17, 152 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,560 that's where I was thinking I went out the window. 153 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,640 You know, you hit that point where, you know, running like 154 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,720 totally forgotten about, kind of stepped away from all. 155 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:27,440 And then I returned when I was 18, No 19. 156 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,680 That's when I returned as this then went into the senior. 157 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:34,320 So if you were to take away the gap, yeah, I've been there for, 158 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,280 well, since I was 14. And as part of the club, do you 159 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:45,360 have a specific coach? Not well, My personal coach. 160 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,880 We have a couple of coaches at Metro. 161 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,040 Kaylee Jarrett of Jim Toll, Callum Sinclair. 162 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,440 They're going to hate me if I forget anyone else's names, but 163 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,600 that's like, just a quick fire. No, I can't think of anyone 164 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,200 else. But then no, my personal coach 165 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,400 is Robbie Simpson. So yeah, yeah, I've been 166 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,320 training with him quite a few weekends recently as well, going 167 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,520 up to his neck of the woods and going out with him. 168 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,560 So that's very humbling have. You have you been with Robbie 169 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,680 for a while now? You know, Robbie coming up a 170 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:27,160 year, Yeah, yeah. It's been good, good 171 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,920 progression. He's good at what he does. 172 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,320 And also from where he's been, you kind of you can kind of put 173 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,360 you in the right direction, tell you about his experiences and 174 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,080 you know, it's been really good. And also he's he sounds. 175 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,560 So it's kind of like a pal now and you forget as a coach 176 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:42,760 sometimes. Yeah. 177 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,440 So yeah, that's great. Robbie being another local to 178 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Aberdeen, I think they've something in the war up here. 179 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,320 Yeah, it's like Robin, Robin, Robbie. 180 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,680 It's the two Rob's from Aberdeen. 181 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:58,160 They're different. Different gravy. 182 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:07,280 And you've got an ambassadorship for Highland Fuel and Nutrition. 183 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:09,000 That's right. Yeah. 184 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,800 So Highland Fuel Nutrition's got 2 separates. 185 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,880 There's actually a athlete like group of us and then there's the 186 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,320 album ambassador. So I guess you class me as an 187 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,600 ambassador as well. But no, I'm one of the athletes. 188 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,480 And all that means is I just kind of wear their kit and I 189 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,520 always like Steve from Highland Fuel. 190 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,560 He's been great. Like he's awesome. 191 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,120 He he once approached me just saying, oh, like see my 192 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,240 Instagram page, would you like to try this stuff? 193 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,520 So I bought like a box of it. It was just before it was 194 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,200 starting up. There's hardly a, even a 195 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,520 website. And so yeah, I bought a box of 196 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,320 it and next week he's thrown in like 3 bags worth and each 197 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,440 flavour. And I was like, all right, yeah, 198 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,400 cheers. And expect that, you know, a 199 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,600 buff and everything just like a thank you. 200 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,560 So I tried it out in quite a few runs and I was like, this was 201 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:05,880 like awesome because I couldn't do car mix before. 202 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:12,000 I've done active route, I've done tailwind and it just always 203 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:17,160 like made my stomach feel awful. And so when I tried this stuff, 204 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,680 it was just, you know, basic and even the tastes like I thought 205 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:22,840 strawberry that's going to be like, you know, gets back your 206 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,760 throat, you know, too sweet. And, you know, you'll be like 20 207 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,400 miles in, like starting to come back up. 208 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,600 You don't want that for this stuff. 209 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,440 Just it just seems to settle my stomach. 210 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,520 It's been like brilliant. I'm not just saying this is like 211 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,800 a go by that was then, but knowing that it is actually 212 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,040 really good. And after that, when he started 213 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,400 building the business a lot more. 214 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,000 Yeah. Put out a form on the page 215 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,200 saying like everyone you know, apply if you want to be an 216 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,720 ambassador and he messed me afterwards saying I'll put you 217 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,000 in the athlete pool and that's where you belong as appreciate. 218 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,480 And then, you know, one let one thing's led to another and here 219 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,000 I am. You know, you support me through 220 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,240 a lot and with us racing in Aberdeen, myself and Jordan, 221 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,480 we're both the athletes from for Highland Fuel, but we both run 222 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,560 for Metro Aberdeen as well. And because when we race our 223 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:18,080 club championships, like cross country, you need to wear your 224 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,280 club colours. So, you know, you can turn up in 225 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,240 a Highland Fuel vest and race you get disqualified. 226 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,680 So Steve Bang got some shorts sorted for us and Highland Fuel 227 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:31,920 printed onto the shorts so we could wear them, you know, 228 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,040 shorts that we like and then we wear them at the races as well 229 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,680 because he knows that, you know, they work for us. 230 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,400 So yeah, no, he's been brilliant. 231 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,760 He's the sound guy. He's a lot for us. 232 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,840 So a lot to thank. A lot to thank you for. 233 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,680 Just to add to that, Hayden as well, I'm not an ambassador, but 234 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,640 I have met Steve and he's a lovely guy. 235 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:58,600 But I have also ordered a bag of the bare fuel and clear fuel and 236 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,280 I had the clear fuel fuel yesterday when I was out on the 237 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,920 Pentlands and it's fabulous. You've actually just reminded me 238 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,520 to order another bag. So when that's out, Steve, 239 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,600 you're like, maybe you're listening to it. 240 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 My older will be sitting there. Yeah, hopefully because once 241 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,360 stop recording, you've just reminded me to go and order some 242 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,440 more. So for those of you that haven't 243 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,520 tried the Highland Fuel Nutrition, do go and try it and 244 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,840 support local because he's it's a great business and you know, 245 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,920 I'm looking forward to seeing it grow for him. 246 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,680 And when you're buying, use code athlete cadence to get 20% off. 247 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,480 There you go. So my Instagram bio. 248 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,600 That's all right people, I'm waiting on my buff in the post 249 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,840 as well. Yes, yes, you get. 250 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,840 Yourself a card as well. I, I think something that we 251 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,080 would say for podcast is we would never and I, I've had 252 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,520 products in the past that not for the podcast, but I, I've 253 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,360 sort of used them and then getting given extra stuff. 254 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 But if I don't like the product, I'm not going to endorse it. 255 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,080 So I would speak for Nikki. She's obviously likes it. 256 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,000 She's buying it and yourself, you're being an ambassador or an 257 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,600 athlete for it. It's because you enjoy using the 258 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,520 product. Yeah, that's it. 259 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,920 Also on let's say as well. Sorry mate. 260 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,920 I, Steve was a good well chopped in a couple of those Hammer 261 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,840 barrels for me on my first order. 262 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,720 It was a chocolate chip and coconut ones and at first I was 263 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,400 a little bit dubious at trying them and I had one of them out 264 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,680 on and on and they were really tasty. 265 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,160 So I think he still sells those on the website, so give those a 266 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,280 go as well. Yeah, especially your sodium 267 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,240 tabs for like ultra runners as well. 268 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,400 If you're ever starting to cramp. 269 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,560 He's made-up, you know, little sodium tabs that I think they're 270 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,760 350 milligrams of sodium per capsule. 271 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,000 So, you know, if your weights start cramping and you feel 272 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,640 cramped from wrong neck when I then quickly come in a little 273 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,840 black bag and they're race. They're really good, you know, 274 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,320 handy, cheap as well. You go on, I think them for 275 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,200 pennies. So yeah, Andy, Andy having your 276 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,840 best. Andy having your best. 277 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,640 And do either of you know their their main fuel product? 278 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,640 Do you know what it's made with? Be lying but something Mal 279 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:28,880 dextrin or something like. That Mal dextrin. 280 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Yeah. Yeah, it's just I'm, I've 281 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,120 recently worked out that I've got an intolerance to oats, so 282 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,480 as long as it's not that, then it's something that I could try. 283 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,400 Yeah, no, it's it's very basic ingredients. 284 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,960 I can go grab a bag at some point, but yeah, I can read it 285 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,840 out. But get yourself a a WE trial 286 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,920 box. I'm sure Steve would easy send 287 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,080 it out. They the clear fuels got lion's 288 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,600 men in it as well which upheld is really good for pre 289 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,720 menopausal people. Yeah, brain function as well. 290 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,760 Yeah, well, I definitely need to get more of that then. 291 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,119 Sounds like an aphrodisiac or something. 292 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,359 To help you the hallucinations when you're 90 miles out by 293 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,599 seven way. Yeah, right. 294 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,120 Moving on from or no, Nikki's got something else to ask you 295 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:34,080 about this. Do you use anything else if you 296 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:40,400 deal with? So Steve hasn't made a gel yet. 297 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,160 I don't know what his plans are with that. 298 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:46,800 So when I'm raising, I need a quick consumption of carbs. 299 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,400 I take in precision Hydration Authority grams. 300 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,000 I feel it's the only stuff that's worked for my stomach as 301 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,400 well. I'm quite, I've got quite a 302 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,360 fragile stomach when it comes to running. 303 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,560 I mean out with running I ever hit in anything but like when I 304 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,680 am running my stomach's very fragile. 305 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,240 So yeah, the precision nitration works for me. 306 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,840 I don't do any caffeine. That does not work, really 307 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,120 doesn't work. And you can kind of guess what 308 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:17,920 that means. So yeah, I just go for 30 gram 309 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,560 normal precision nitration gels. And then whilst I'm running, I 310 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,120 top up, I just keep drinking away the bottle I don't feel and 311 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,600 that just gives me that extra carb intake. 312 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,600 I go for two scoops, which gives me about 50 grams of carbs per 313 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,160 ball. You you don't take caffeine 314 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,520 while running, but do you drink tea, coffee, fizzy drinks 315 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,400 normally? Yeah, I do drink coffee. 316 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,760 Yeah, some. I don't do any energy drinks 317 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,920 unless I'm, you know, if I was doing like a long run, for 318 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,160 example, the challenge, the last section where you're just, you 319 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,520 know, you're starting to deplete it just taking that little kick. 320 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,080 I would energy drink caffeine, but no, I don't do any monster 321 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,520 red pool. Just coffee there and again. 322 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:14,400 And we haven't talked about races that you've done, wins, 323 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,760 etcetera. I know your your biggest running 324 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,760 achievement must have been at the Feta Raso marathon a month 325 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:31,120 or so ago when you you beat me, but what has been your biggest 326 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:38,440 run of achievement? I think my biggest run 327 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,800 achievement out with like the racing side of things would 328 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,800 probably like raising the money for cancer. 329 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,560 So for that project that started, which isn't complete 330 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,760 and probably won't be complete, it'll be an ongoing thing. 331 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:56,240 But right now we're setting up Hall of Three Grand, which was a 332 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,960 lot more than I thought originally. 333 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,560 It just keeps coming. There was even more got money 334 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,440 yesterday as well. It's just it's not stopped. 335 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,760 So on the Go Fund Me page, sitting about 2 1/2 and I've got 336 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,040 money like cash and hand, you know, from Gurani's site and 337 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,840 whatever she's goes to like a choir club and all that. 338 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,640 So donating as well, you know, the cash, they can't work their 339 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,040 phones. So yeah, that's probably my 340 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,400 biggest achievement, I think. Do the title remember why you 341 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,400 started, you know, like no one would have come from and knowing 342 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:34,720 why, you know why I run. It's been more like a, you know, 343 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,160 Grande never run. But seeing dad using that as a 344 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,280 tool to, you know, sorting out the grief and not turn into 345 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,840 alcohol or turn it into bad. He turned it into something 346 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,960 good. And then I took that and it 347 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,640 inspired me and I just, you know, I've started, you know, 348 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,240 that's, that's what made me start and I haven't stopped. 349 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,080 And even when I did go through a rough patch, another achievement 350 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,960 was trying to film, managing to pull myself out of that, you 351 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,080 know, sign up for Ben Nevis Skyline being like, this is my 352 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,920 dream Scottish race. I've always said that. 353 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,680 And then I just, once I signed up, it was just like a switch 354 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,240 where I just, I need to train, I need to get back into it. 355 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,800 So I built up and kept building up and the next minute I was 356 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,000 running seven days a week, sometimes double days. 357 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,760 It was the most consistent I'd ever been disciplined I'd ever 358 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,240 been. And yeah, then you look back and 359 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,840 you think, oh, like that's, you know, that's Grande's mentality 360 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,520 kicking into me now. You know, the stubbornness, not 361 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,280 giving up. And you know, nothing's ever 362 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,880 easy, but if you work for it, you'll get it. 363 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,600 So that'll be my biggest achievement I think. 364 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,120 And the remember why you started project. 365 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:53,000 I know that you had planned on doing a big event and that was 366 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800 rearranged. Could you talk about that, what 367 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:01,000 you originally had planned, what you end up doing and going 368 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,720 forward with the project? Can you tell us about that? 369 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,400 So the original Remember why you started was going to be 60 plus 370 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:14,560 miles with 20,000 plus feet of elevation and I was across the 371 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,240 great cotties and memoirs that wasn't taken in about 2021 372 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,840 Monroes, including Ben nervous. So it was going to be a long day 373 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,240 out and the whole point in the challenge was, you know, to 374 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,280 suffer a lot of it. You know her the elevation was 375 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,280 going to hurt like 60 miles. I've done 40 miles and I've that 376 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,800 was with very minimal training and then, you know, 60 miles 377 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,200 with the training I'm doing now. That's not a lot. 378 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,240 So I put it in the elevation just to make it that one bit 379 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,840 like extreme. But the weather during the week 380 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,120 leading up to it, the weather totally took a change the 381 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,520 weekend before I was out in the hills and it was like starting 382 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,960 to thaw everything Ace Ben Nevis. 383 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,440 You can see the tops. And then Monday hit and it's 384 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,840 just the whole weather turned ski slope well on the webcams 385 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,800 and it was just mental. And then by Thursday it was just 386 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,640 a full court again. And you know, with the amount is 387 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,400 news, especially this year, seeing all the mountain rescue 388 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,440 teams grab these folks that are just, you know, not prepared, 389 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,400 not listening to the weather and end up in these horrible 390 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,560 situations. Then putting mountain rescue at 391 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560 risk and other people at risk is, you know, I wasn't going to 392 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,880 be one of those statistics. So I changed it to 55 miles to 393 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,040 the West End away because I always wanted to do the devil, 394 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,360 but I also wanted that little extreme of a little bit more. 395 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:44,840 So I started from Pendrum and ran from Tindrum to Fort 396 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:50,640 William. So that was no, that's why 397 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,760 wasn't Tindrum. I'm forgetting names now. 398 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,680 It was about 10 miles back. Trinladic. 399 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,840 Trinladic no. Bridge Markey. 400 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,280 Bridge Markey, Yeah, always forget the names along the 401 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,960 Western way, but I started a bridge of Arkey and then 402 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,120 finishing for with them. So that was 55 miles and that 403 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,920 still took an 8000 feet. But to kind of read like to put 404 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,320 in the suffering aspect, I decided to go out really hard 405 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,080 until, you know, the plan wasn't to run it in an amazing time. 406 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,360 The plan was just to run as hard as possible until I got to this 407 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,120 point where I totally hit a wall. 408 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,160 And then it was the mind game of remember why you started, you 409 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,840 know, Yeah, that's where that's where it actually matters when 410 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,160 you're, you know, lying in the back of the car going in out 411 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,320 consciousness because your body is just so depleted. 412 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,520 And then my girlfriend Marissa, looking over me, crying because 413 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,320 she's never seen, you know, me in a state like this. 414 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,600 And then Dad's at the other side putting his vest on, laughing at 415 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,600 me. Be like, come on, that's what 416 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,640 you wanted. And everyone else is trying. 417 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Granny's crying. Oh, you don't need to do this. 418 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,080 You don't need to do. Is that stone still in complete 419 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,520 just laughing at me as I had. Cheers. 420 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,040 He knows he's been there too. You know, when I was the one 421 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,880 son, there'd be like, oh come on, why is it up? 422 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,400 Get going. Yeah, it's funny. 423 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:20,080 It also reversed. So yeah, no, it's that was like 424 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,360 this is what it was. So yeah, once it started 425 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,880 hurting, there's no 25 miles to go. 426 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,960 So I think I went through 30 mile point. 427 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,520 I think it was like 3 hours, 33 hours, 40 or something. 428 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,280 So I was just going out really hard and then and then the 429 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,320 weather was brutal. The weather turned into a full 430 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,560 on Blizzard and it was just knocked me for six so. 431 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:50,960 What you're just saying there, I love the attitude and some of 432 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,960 these that we talked about earlier on was Rob Sinclair. 433 00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:01,320 I think we need to get out in the hills at some point is one 434 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,120 thing that I have grown to love about running is mind games and 435 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:13,160 even if it's just mind games myself and it is, you're not in 436 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,720 pain, get a move on. I was round at Nikki's house on 437 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,640 the way up the Rd. from my race the other day and six months ago 438 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,240 she went over her ankle and she was complaining about it, saying 439 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,400 no, I can't run and send me pictures and say it was how 440 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,280 horrible it was. And I went past her house. 441 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,880 I was like, yeah, everything's fine. 442 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,920 I've got a little blister and she's like, no, your, your 443 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,400 ankles double the size and she's phoning her physio trying to get 444 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,400 him round and stuff like this. I was like, no, I'll be fine. 445 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,280 And I was running again three days later. 446 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,560 It's, it's a different mindset I think you need to get into. 447 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,080 And what's Nikki's response to that? 448 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,760 My. Ankle was sore. 449 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,000 I think it's well Kaden, you've decided who's definitely not 450 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,640 crewing you in future. Yeah, I know you can be. 451 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,400 You can be a chief blister pauper if you want. 452 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,640 What I'll tell you to keep going perm but not seeing you in that 453 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,080 state. Say no, please stop. 454 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840 No, no, no. We need more people like your 455 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,800 dad and say right, come on son, out you go. 456 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,040 He just. Laughs at you, makes you feel, 457 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,720 makes you feel little. So then you have to be like, oh, 458 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,720 come on then. Do you go out running often with 459 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,080 your dad? I do, yeah, a bit more now. 460 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:44,440 Last year he had a bad fall, the vault and Abby Morris dancing 461 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,240 away and then fell and swirl a tendon in his knee from the 462 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,800 impact and it like swole and the next day, you know, to get over 463 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,520 the hangover. We know his knee was double in 464 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,240 size and that's a do you fancy a 10K? 465 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,080 So we went out for a 10K and that's what we think the physios 466 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,520 said that that's probably what threw it from an injury to yeah, 467 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,240 you're out for a good few months. 468 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,400 So yeah, so like we're saying about the mentality, you know, 469 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,880 that's really kind of go out from this, like your fight, get 470 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,480 on me it. But yeah, that actually didn't 471 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,720 work. He actually was unable to walk 472 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,280 on it for a while, run on it for a while and then he's got back 473 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,600 into it now, just building up slowly. 474 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,080 And then he wanted to build up for the challenge because he was 475 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,600 going to do a section, the big one with me, he's got to do a 476 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,520 Ben Nevis, so he was kind of ready for whatever. 477 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,240 So he ran the last 50 miles with me, which was nice to kind of go 478 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,720 across the finish line by him as well. 479 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,880 And my little brother, he met us at the bottom and where they 480 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,560 usually finish the level at the leisure centre, and he ran in 481 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,040 through Fort Rolling with us. So yeah, it's good to have like 482 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:59,240 this three times running in. And we always ask as well, why 483 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,320 do you run? And we think you have probably 484 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,920 already answered this. It's, you know, remember why you 485 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,480 started? Is that your mantra? 486 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,840 And is that the mantra you go back to when you do find things 487 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,040 really tough, Then if you go can't be bothered, you know, 488 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,520 with running today. That's right. 489 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,640 Remember why you started. That's it. 490 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:25,560 Yeah, that's generally it. Like the whole, you know, 491 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,520 remember where you started project is built on when times 492 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720 get tough. It could always be worse, you 493 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,760 know, I mean, like when you're running, you can push on. 494 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,360 Yeah, you might be sore. Get on with your nail, your nail 495 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,720 line in a bed looking at your last moments, you know, I mean, 496 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,080 you're not senior family for the last time. 497 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,240 It's, you know, it's nothing folk could deal with cancer or, 498 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,880 you know, so much stronger than us ultra runners or runners, you 499 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,160 know what I mean? You know, full aspect. 500 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,280 So, yeah, remember when he started through the it's kind 501 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:05,320 of, it's kind of in memory of how my grandma must have felt in 502 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,360 the last few moments, you know, pushing through pretend, you 503 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,040 pretend that everything's fine and smiling through the pain. 504 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,600 And, you know, that's how that's how I see it. 505 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,760 Running has always been an escape for me, but when it does 506 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,160 get tough, when I'm racing, it could always be worse, you know 507 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,920 what I mean? So that's my kind of mantra, if 508 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,480 you'd say. And for the charity Kaden is 509 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,000 that is there a link online for that for people to donate if 510 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,400 they still want to? It's on. 511 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,040 My Instagram page, if you click on the bio section, it's got a 512 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:46,040 few links, but it's also, if you search up GoFundMe on like on 513 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,600 Google, just, you know, go fund me. 514 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,120 Remember where you started kid and Tom? 515 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,800 You'll find it. It's the first one that pop up. 516 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,400 So yeah, there's plenty there. And yeah, like with the remember 517 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,280 I started, it's not stopping because it is my mantra. 518 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,840 I'll keep going by it. And the band nervous like the 519 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,440 whole run, the big one that will be done at some point. 520 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,400 It's just when I can fit in with a busy racing season, but also 521 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,560 making sure the Marines are safe and I'm not putting anyone else 522 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,160 at risk. Also my I'll have support 523 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560 runners as well. So, you know, I need to make 524 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,120 sure everyone else is safe, not just me. 525 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,080 And yeah, it will be done. Even, you know, after that it 526 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,960 could be something else stupid that I do. 527 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,960 It'll just keep doing, you know, it's just a way of remembering 528 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,600 the ground. And I'll keep, I will just keep 529 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,920 doing it. And you say you'll do the big 530 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,360 one at some stage. For those that would love to 531 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,360 join you at any point along the route, will they be welcome? 532 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,280 But is that strictly just to yourself and your support 533 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,280 runners? No, like when I do post about it 534 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,040 and everyone, if you know, you have to be kind of aware of the 535 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,720 moments and you know, you can't just turn up and run up and just 536 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,000 think that everything's fine. But yeah, like I'd love to see 537 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,360 like whoever you know, I mean, it doesn't bother me. 538 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,760 I'd love to see the amount of support. 539 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,960 There'll be plenty. There's only really two 540 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,600 checkpoints in that one because it's only when I come off the 541 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,200 tops and into like, so the first one will be like came off leave 542 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,760 and then they go up the memoirs. Then my next checkpoint there's 543 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,000 down into Ben Evans campsite and then after that and then back 544 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480 up. So unless you want to get the 545 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,440 gondola from Anak Moore and go up and see me there, it just 546 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,520 means that you've got to pay £30 to go in the gondola and then 547 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,040 run up and see me. But yeah, like it's more, 548 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,960 everyone's more than welcome. Depending on how I'm moving by 549 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,480 that point it could end up being a walk. 550 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,960 But yeah, we'll see what happens. 551 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,840 Don't Take Me Out what there with a cruise Well. 552 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,440 Yeah, that's it. That's it. 553 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,480 Ding Ding. You've probably answered some of 554 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:05,480 this question already, and I might split it into two parts. 1 555 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,240 is when you're suffering, and 1 is just when you're out in a 556 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,640 normal run. But what do you think about when 557 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,800 you're running I? Don't think I'm right. 558 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,760 When I'm suffering, I'd just be like, does this thing about 559 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,480 Granda and that's where I kind of feel closest to him. 560 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,720 When I'm just on an ordinary run. 561 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,360 I don't know. I kind of go blank sometimes. 562 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,800 We're just going on the whole world. 563 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,920 And you know, like some when you drive into work sometimes, you 564 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,400 know, like how do I get here? That's kind of me. 565 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,960 I just kind of run the next round. 566 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160 My last time. I right, OK, that's me done. 567 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,800 But then if I am like struggling or doing a session or 568 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,000 something's hurting or not hurting, but you know, your 569 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,840 body's starting to feel it now. It's usually just like you just 570 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,120 think I could be always be worse. 571 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,120 That's it. Was your granddaughter on that 572 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,000 as well, Kaden? No, no I wasn't. 573 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,400 He probably looking at me and dad thinking you should use pair 574 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,560 of pair of idiots like Granda was. 575 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239 Well, he was on. He worked in the boats and he 576 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000 was he used to. Don't you call it a rigor? 577 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,480 Maybe, but he hand tied all the fishing Nets and all that for 578 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,920 the fishing boats. And when you did when they did 579 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,520 that boat thing and I already can't remember what it's called. 580 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,920 Remind me? Tall ships. 581 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,560 Tall ships, there's one of them there that my Granda did most of 582 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,440 the ropes on. So yeah, it's quite cool. 583 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,719 I've got a football net out somewhere in the shed that's 584 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,800 actually every bits for like tied by his hand. 585 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,360 So yeah, no, he that's all he did that and drunk beer and he 586 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,200 does well. So I think his lifestyle did 587 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,000 didn't help, but yeah, he is happy enough. 588 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,320 Well, well it might be looking at you and your dad now go and 589 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,240 you're a pair of videos, but I bet you he would be dead proud 590 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,120 as well. Hope so. 591 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,160 I hope so. But if you were looking at you 592 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,720 from the outside, you'd probably think I was a bloody idiot as 593 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,960 well. So that's fair enough if you 594 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,440 thought, I think. I'm an idiot, but when I'm on 595 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:33,280 the outside, I'm not an idiot. So you mentioned earlier on the 596 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:38,040 the Ben Nevis Skyline was your dream race and you got to do it. 597 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,640 Have you got other dream races or races on the bucket list that 598 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:49,320 are up next for you or just that you would given any time for you 599 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,520 to do it, Would you? What's on your list? 600 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,480 My biggest a race when I was younger was like one of them was 601 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,520 Bennett Skyline. That was for Scotland. 602 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,120 Always wanted to do that. Well, originally it was a ring 603 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,920 of steel, but then it will change when I was Skyline, so I 604 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,320 went and did that. But the biggest a goal was Zers 605 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,880 and Al, which I put in my lottery the other weekend and 606 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,120 then I got an e-mail the next day saying we'd like you to 607 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,960 race. So I'm going to Zers now in 608 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,600 August this year. So I'm getting to do my dream 609 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,120 race again. It's through the year that I've 610 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,040 decided to sign up. I just seem to be getting lucky 611 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:40,880 after that, there's not such a the big a goal is UTMB, Mont 612 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,040 Blanc. That's going to be a couple of 613 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,760 years down the line. That's a lot of miles. 614 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,320 You know, I'm still trying to focus on. 615 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,960 I'll do long ones every so often, but for prolonging the 616 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,360 career probably will just be some faster mounting stuff. 617 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,960 So yeah, here's now the first stop and then we'd like to kind 618 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,400 of work my way through in doing the full golden Chelsea. 619 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,880 And the the Skyline races the Ben Nevis range. 620 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,800 They may not exist anymore because the rear events have 621 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,320 gone bust. That's right. 622 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,560 Yeah, I know. I was glad I didn't pay for my 623 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:28,400 ticket. Something else that you 624 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,680 mentioned earlier was the Devil of the Highlands and somebody 625 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,240 else that we were talking about was Rob Sinclair, who's got the 626 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,520 record on the the Flying West Island Way and the Devil. 627 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,960 Would it be something you'd be interested in? 628 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,120 In a few years, I think, yeah, it's going to take a lot for 629 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,000 someone to break our records because West in the way one 630 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,720 especially that's, you know, that's world class running. 631 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,520 That's, you know, that's not even just some Scottish guy 632 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,920 running that, you know, that is on the level of world class. 633 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:10,400 And Rob really wants it to go. I mean, I think mean Nikki spoke 634 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,120 about this. He does want it to go because 635 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,760 he's made his mark. But yeah, he's something else. 636 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,680 Rob's built different, especially like sometimes you 637 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,200 just, he's off Strava now. You won't hear from him. 638 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,920 He's off social media just because he's focused on the 639 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,680 family and stuff, which is totally fair. 640 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,000 And you'll just turn up to race and the next we'll hear. 641 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,080 Always broke the record. You went and did one down South 642 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,840 the other weekend and then broke the record. 643 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,080 You know, I mean, it's just, it's just something else. 644 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,640 But yeah, we'd like to do the fling, the devil in the island, 645 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,280 West End way, probably the fling and the devil. 646 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,880 I do more like coming up, you know, in a couple of years time, 647 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,760 the West and LA I'd like to save for either. 648 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,640 My dad's done the fling, the devil and he's like on the verge 649 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,840 of, oh, I don't want to do West in a way I won't do that. 650 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,960 I'm too old for it now. But I was like, if you do it, 651 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,880 I'll do it. I'll just run away. 652 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,600 So I would like to do it. If Dad said right, I'm doing it 653 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,680 because I would just run it with him. 654 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,560 But for racing it for me, yeah, that's probably a good few years 655 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,160 in one. Well, the the oldest finisher of 656 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,160 the West Island weighs something like 7273, so tell your dad to 657 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,000 get a move on. That's exactly right. 658 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,760 Yeah. He's only got what, 2 years? 659 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,280 No, he's not. He's like 53. 660 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,320 He'll be watching this year from running up the stairs to build 661 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,040 the one or something. Your dad's definitely not too 662 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,760 old if he's only that age, and I'll tell you, tell him this 663 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,240 year, get his name and if he's got a qualifying entry, get his 664 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,640 name in the hat. He might not even get picked. 665 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,680 You got to be in it to win it. Yeah, I think you need to. 666 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,800 You probably do the fling again next year because that's not 667 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,600 something the devil to swap around now. 668 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,360 So yeah, if you was to do Devil, I think I might do it. 669 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,040 I'm not sure. See what Robbie says. 670 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,360 Well, I'm sure Robbie Simpson, Rob Sinclair and I was Rob's 671 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,760 crew for the West well for all three races because you're a 672 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,720 loud crew in the short ones at that point. 673 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,160 So I'll put it out there if you need help, then we'll be there 674 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:25,960 for you if you need it. That's. 675 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:36,640 It thank you. Mate, a next question is it It 676 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,120 can be an awkward question to ask or answer. 677 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,960 Is there anybody that you would like to go for a run with? 678 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,720 Alive or not, fictional or real, let's. 679 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,720 See it would have to be killing Journey but I will be laying up 680 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,320 next to him in August so that's another one kicked off. 681 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:04,440 But I'd also like to run with Jim Walmsley because me and him 682 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,560 should have birthday. So meaning just, you know, go 683 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,880 for a birthday run, I think. So if run the word on reaches 684 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,880 like worldwide, then hopefully Jim sees this and say I'll go 685 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,720 down with his kid. But yeah, I'd like to go with 686 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:22,880 your mom's, I think. And to us, Hans Toy, I don't 687 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,320 know if you've seen him, the kid. 688 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,360 Yeah, yeah, that's someone else like to run with. 689 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,880 He's kind of just a nut case and he's funny. 690 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,000 So yeah, he just turns up the races, just blathers and then 691 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,760 goes and wins it. So yeah, I quite, I quite like 692 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,520 his kind of run in mentality as well. 693 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,760 Young American, he's got exact bears. 694 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,520 Or Jim Lamsley's sort of attitude of I'm going out there 695 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,720 100% and if I blew up, then I blew up. 696 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,040 So that's what. That that's exactly what that 697 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,360 means. That's also my other quote. 698 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,360 Faffo, You go out, it's fuck around until you fuck around and 699 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,080 find out. That's my running strategy. 700 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,720 You go out hard and then just wait and see what happens. 701 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,920 David, when you line up next to Killian, you want to ask him if 702 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,440 he'll come on the podcast? I'll. 703 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,840 Try, I'll try. I think is once that Bell goes 704 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,440 or Gun goes, yeah, I'm not going to another chance to speak to 705 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,680 him. So yeah, he'll be off. 706 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:33,760 How's your Catalonian? He doesn't need to speak 707 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,680 Catalonia. We'll just give him a sticker 708 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,880 and he'll say there you go. Just got him one of your mugs. 709 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,200 Yeah. Let's give it to him at start 710 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:51,920 line. So aside from sales and now that 711 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,840 you is your huge race coming up, have you got anything else in 712 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,760 Scotland, local events or vases? What have you got coming up for 713 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,360 the rest of the year? Well, last night me and the 714 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,880 families sat down, put an A1 calendar in the kitchen wall. 715 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,840 So it's huge and I pretty much filled every weekend and a few 716 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,320 week nights as well. So I'm kind of, I'm currently 717 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,880 going to be working through Scottish hill calendar just to 718 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,760 kind of get my, you know, not like my name out there, but it 719 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,360 is in a way. I'd like to represent Scotland 720 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,920 at some point. If I can keep working towards 721 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,480 that hill, hill racing and get a bit quicker, I'd love to 722 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,320 represent Scotland and whether that be under 23 or you know, 723 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:45,000 later on, I have, I'm not sure if it's been confirmed yet, but 724 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,400 I should be racing a Scotland northwest in the 1st of May, in 725 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,840 the 3rd of May in elite district. 726 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,320 So that's a good move in the right direction. 727 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,480 But yeah, I'm just working through all the the hill stuff 728 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,640 and quite short, quite fast, you know, lung bursting kind of 729 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,240 stuff. And then every so often I'll go 730 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:07,840 do something stupid just to just because I've got a assault hire 731 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,720 team in with a few pals. So that'll be good fun things to 732 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,880 12 hours. So it'll just probably end up 733 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,200 being like a 20 mile long run day, so it'll be good fun. 734 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,280 And the the last question that we've got written down, and I'm 735 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,640 not even sure if you've seen this, it came from our previous 736 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,520 guest, Jenny Drew Jenkins. She didn't know who we were 737 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,480 asking the question to and her her question was, I love the 738 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,120 sound of skylarks when I'm running. 739 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,640 What feature of nature makes you smile when you're running? 740 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,520 First of all, hi Jenny. Good balls with Jenny. 741 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,040 I would always pull. I've always believed that Robins 742 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,520 being like a loved ones nearby and I tend to see them quite 743 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,200 often when I'm out and I'll be more. 744 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,560 I always run and I'll be What's my favorite place to go and run? 745 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,520 Karen Gorms, I always see them. And we were just we arrived in 746 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,240 Abby Moore last week for a holiday and there was a Robinson 747 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,960 in the back garden. So yeah, I've always say, I 748 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840 would say a Robins. Probably what makes me smile 749 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,840 when I see you when I'm running. I don't know if you're 750 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,600 superstitious, but I think Robins are the sign of someone 751 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,960 watching you. Yeah. 752 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,360 So I'm watching over you, and I quite like that. 753 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,800 Anytime I've ever been up on Monroe, I've always see a Robin, 754 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440 as you're saying, and that's really cool one. 755 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,080 Yeah, that's my, yeah, me and all the families say that the 756 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,520 Robins granda. So yeah, that's what makes me 757 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:52,800 smile, Yeah. Right, that draws us to close. 758 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,680 It's one thing that you prompted me on, you said about watching 759 00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,720 the video earlier, and I just needed to remind everybody that 760 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,600 this is available on YouTube, on Spotify for video and audio and 761 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,960 Apple and all of their podcasts and stuff like that. 762 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,760 It's just that somebody in the past has said that they didn't 763 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,280 know how to view it. So I'm telling everybody is on 764 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,240 various channels. You can just listen to it if you 765 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,480 want to. So there you go. 766 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,200 I think that's the last question for me, unless Nick has got 767 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,360 anything else. No, that's all from me. 768 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,720 Just to say, Kaiden, thank you so much for coming on and 769 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,400 agreeing to join us. And I have absolutely no doubt 770 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,880 you will be pulling on Scotland vest pretty soon, I think. 771 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,680 And we're just delighted that you've agreed to come on the 772 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,640 podcast, that we've got the first interview with you, 773 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,960 because as I say, I've no doubt that you'll be doing way more in 774 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,840 the future. No, not at all. 775 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,040 I've always wanted to do a podcast. 776 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,160 It was usually the first ones to do it, so no. 777 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,280 Thank you very much for having me. 778 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,600 It's been easy. And I'm sure Adrian Stott is one 779 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,800 of the Scotland selectors for various races as a a listener, 780 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,160 so he'll he'll know about your now if he hadn't before. 781 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,360 Really. Cheers back. 782 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,080 Everybody guys, just for me to say thank you Nikki for being 783 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,960 Nikki. Thank you Kaden for being Kaden, 784 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,240 I guess, and it's goodbye for me. 785 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,800 Thanks for coming on, Kaden. No worries, cheers.