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Good to go. 
All right, Hello and welcome to 

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another exciting episode of Run 
to Done. 

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Today. 
I am joined by somebody who I 

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had the pleasure of meeting for 
the first time last weekend at 

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the Highlander Backyard Ultra 
where she was the assist to the 

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winner Thoma, who was previous 
guest welcome Rebecca Horman. 

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Thanks for having me. 
Yeah, not a problem at all, 

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right? 
We're obviously talking about 

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your your recent assist, but 
we'll start off with how did you

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get into running? 
How did I get into running? 

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I've always been, I've always 
been athletic. 

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I've always done sports. 
I grew up in the States mainly 

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and I played soccer growing up. 
And then in 2019 I found myself 

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travelling around Asia and for 
some reason I was like, oh, 

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let's run, let's do a half 
marathon. 

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Just, you know, one time thing. 
We'll do a half marathon and 

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that will be it. 
And I'll be the end of my 

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running career and I'll be able 
to say I've run 1/2 and that's 

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going to be it. 
So I signed up for 1/2 marathon 

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in Bangkok in 2019. 
So it was horrific, honestly. 

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It was, it was, it was at 3:00 
in the morning, it was December.

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So it was like really, really 
hot. 

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Have you travelled much to Asia?
I think. 

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I've been to Sri Lanka. 
I think that's the only place in

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Asia that I've been technically 
Turkey. 

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OK, fair enough. 
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, 

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like the the weather is. 
Oh, it's, yeah. 

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It's warm. 
It's very warm. 

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It's humid. 
Yes. 

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And so I was, I was in Asia for 
most of most of 2019 and I was 

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preparing for this half 
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So I was, I was traveling 
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I actually did a lot of my 
training in Sri Lanka, you know,

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3-4 in the morning, trying to 
avoid the crazy buses on the 

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road and stuff. 
And obviously I'm blonde and I'm

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white, so get all these people 
shouting at you. 

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And anyway, so I trained up for 
that. 

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I did some of my training in Abu
Dhabi as well. 

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And so I ran the Bangkok half 
marathon and it was a horrible 

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experience. 
I didn't ever want to do 

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anything like it again. 
But like most people, it's kind 

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of like you want to, you want to
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marathon, you want to do a 
marathon and then you took it 

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off and then that's it. 
So that's when I like started 

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running. 
And then I ended up, Long story 

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short, I ended up in Northern 
Ireland when COVID hit. 

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So I ended up evacuating Asia, 
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and I was living in Hollywood at
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So it's, do you know Northern 
Ireland at all? 

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Bits. 
I've raced there once. 

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So I was living on the coastline
and I would just run like every 

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day I'd run a little bit further
up the coast because I had 

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nothing else to do. 
And like I didn't, I didn't want

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to keep running. 
I was just like, oh, you know, 

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you know how you had your hour 
to go outside and like do a bit 

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of exercise and stuff. 
So, so I wake up in the morning 

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and, you know, run a mile up the
coastline, mile back. 

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And then the next day, you know,
2 miles up the coastline, 2 

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miles back. 
And I just kept, kept going 

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basically. 
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ran 4 miles up the coastline and
four miles back. 

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And I was like, Oh my gosh, I 
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And it was the most exciting 
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And I was completely battered. 
I was just sitting on the floor 

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like, I'm dead, I'm done. 
And then I just, I just kept 

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going. 
And then we kind of got out of 

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COVID and then I ran my first 
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I think it was New Year's Eve 
and just went out. 

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I had a rain jacket. 
I had some Jelly beans in one 

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hand and put them in my pocket. 
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in the other hand. 
I just went round, round Belfast

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around my marathon. 
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all started, to be honest with 
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And then it's kind of gotten out
of control from there, to be 

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honest. 
How has it gotten out of 

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control? 
Well, now, now I'm out there 

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looking at these insane races, 
essentially when I thought, oh, 

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I'll just run the half and I'll 
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So I don't know. 
I think I'm one of those runners

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who was always like, I didn't 
want to go fast. 

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I was like, I just want to, I 
just want to go a little bit 

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further, you know? 
So, yeah. 

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And here we are. 
And have you done? 

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You've obviously started with 
your half marathon there and you

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ended up in Scotland last 
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What's the the story in between?
It's it's, it's quite a complex 

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story. 
Like I said, I kind of so I was 

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an age I used to live in Spain. 
I lived in Spain for five years,

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left the States, lived in Spain 
for five years and I left Spain.

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I went to Asia. 
I bought a one way flight to 

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Jakarta, which culture shock, 
let me tell you, insane culture 

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shock. 
I was an agent for about a year.

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I was on an island in Malaysia 
doing my dive master for scuba 

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diving. 
Ended up having to evacuate 

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Malaysia because of COVID. 
End up in Northern Ireland 

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quarantining with a friend. 
Did my master's degree over 

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there and then moved over to 
England. 

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And during that time when I 
moved to Northern Ireland, I was

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kind of running a bit more here 
and there. 

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Raced a couple times in Northern
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well. 
Moved over to England and just, 

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you know, here, here I am. 
So it's kind of that's like a 

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whistle stop tour of my life for
the past 10 or 10 or seven 

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years. 
Yeah. 

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And then and then. 
I got into the backyards, yeah. 

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Was all the travel through 
education work or what made you 

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move around? 
A mixture of things. 

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I grew up in a very, very like 
diverse households. 

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So as you know, people seem to 
know now I've got a Swiss 

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passport and AUS passport. 
I'm also Chilean and my mom is 

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Swiss, Chilean. 
So we grew up all over the 

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place. 
We grew up partly in the States,

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partly in Switzerland, partly in
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And when I was 18, I just 
decided I don't really want to 

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live in America anymore. 
I'm going to move to Spain. 

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So, and I just kind of following
my nose a bit through work, a 

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bit through like education, like
I did my master's degree in 

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Northern Ireland, just kind of 
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Yeah. 
Like, I look back and I think, I

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mean, you make decisions in the 
moment, right in your life and 

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whatnot. 
And I think, oh, maybe I would 

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have made a different choice, 
but I don't know. 

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I've just landed myself where I 
am now, but I'm happy with it. 

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And what was your master's 
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Sport and exercise psychology, 
which that's, I mean, I don't, I

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think. 
So pretty pretty apartment for 

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backyard ultras. 
Well, you say that, but I should

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probably apply college a bit a 
bit more. 

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So would you say that you could 
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Wait, do you think there was 
anything that you learned in 

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your masters that you could 
apply to backyards? 

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It's, it's a tricky 1 because I 
mean, I've, I've been a masters 

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a couple of years ago and I 
don't, I touch on it a little 

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bit and stuff here and there, 
but it's still a really niche 

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field. 
So sport and I said psychology 

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it it's still a tiny little 
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you're like elite athletes are 
going to have sports 

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psychologists and whatnot. 
But a lot of the concepts, 

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things that like you do without 
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visualization or like self talk,
you know, things like that that 

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you teach yourself how to do 
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So yeah, like I'll apply that 
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I'll try, I'll try to. 
When you're applying them, do 

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you think that you are more 
adapt to it because you've done 

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the masters in it, or do you 
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Oh, I don't know. 
I know I definitely, because 

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I've, I have been asked this 
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when I started running ultras, I
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right, let me learn this stuff, 
like let me apply these concepts

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like it's an endurance sport. 
It's perfect for this. 

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So I would like consciously 
apply things, but at the same 

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time, if I'm not open to like a 
tactic or a strategy that then 

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I'm just going to throw it out 
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For example, like if I'm running
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and I'm telling myself, right, 
you should you should really 

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visualize the finish And I'm 
going, no, I'm not in the mood 

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for it. 
Like whatever. 

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Like then, then it doesn't 
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stubborn. 
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previously I was kind of like 
more into let me try and apply 

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these more purposefully. 
Whereas now I'm like, yeah, you 

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know, if it happens, it happens.
If if my brain's in the right 

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place, then then great. 
But I'm not sure anymore. 

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Do you think you could go back 
to not Nestle where you are 

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studying but back in education 
and sort of tell them how it's 

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done? 
They say it's done this way, but

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your research says otherwise. 
I would have to. 

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I would have to really, I have a
purpose. 

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I would have to really think 
about like when I'm running, you

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know, you know what they do at 
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was a university there and they 
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projects, but. 
You were. 

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You were not that race, were 
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I was at the race, yeah. 
In 2023. 23 are. 

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You. 
You're. 

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Not going to tell me you were 
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I was in the film that they made
about it. 

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Oh, were you running it? 
Yeah. 

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Oh, I. 
Don't know it what did. 

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What did you run to? 
100 and yeah, 104 or 108, I 

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can't remember that that was my 
first ever backyard. 

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That's. 
What you need to buy yourself. 

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Yeah, I crew. 
I didn't have a crew. 

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Oh, I, I ran at that backyard, 
right? 

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OK, small world. 
Yeah, well, you know how I think

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it was. 
I forget at the university, but 

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they were, they miked people up 
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talk out loud and stuff so they 
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thoughts throughout the event. 
I would have to do something 

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like that and then like listen 
back and kind of see my own 

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process and, you know, and then 
report back to the, the 

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researchers of the sport and 
exercise psychology world. 

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OK, off the top of my head I 
think it was Liz Mahone was the 

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main researcher but I could be 
totally wrong. 

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They they've recently published 
a paper on it. 

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How? 
Did they? 

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I would like to do that. 
Actually, I'll try and get a 

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hold of it for you going back. 
Where about in America are you 

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from? 
I'm from Philadelphia, so like, 

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you know, cream cheese, Fresh 
Prince. 

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Cheese steak sandwiches and 
Rocky. 

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Yes, that's the one, yeah. 
Yeah, I've been. 

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I've been there once. 
OK, in the airport? 

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No, I was visiting somebody in 
New York and we took a day trip 

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up to Philly. 
Yes, very. 

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Good. 
Yeah, it's a it's a good city. 

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It's a great city. 
I'm not from the city, from a 

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suburb, but you know, I'll make 
it easier to Philly. 

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Yeah, somebody who I went to uni
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but I can't remember a Oh, My 
Name is Earl. 

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Where about was that film? 
Which one? 

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My name is Earl. 
I don't know that. 

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Yeah, it's ATV program. 
I'm pretty sure he stays in the 

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same village or town as that was
filmed. 

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So that's just outside 
Philadelphia. 

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So there you go. 
Random knowledge, right? 

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The other thing that you said 
you did, you played soccer a 

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lot. 
How was that? 

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What kind of level was that? 
So yeah, so I agree, it's really

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popular in the States. 
Soccer, and we're going to call 

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it soccer. 
It's always really popular in 

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the States. 
I agree. 

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That was like my main sport 
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I did all the sports. 
I swam a lot as well, but that 

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was like my main one, like my 
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So I played Stevie Pro for a 
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moved over to Spain, I played 
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And then when I moved to Asia, I
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year off essentially because I 
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ankle injuries and stuff. 
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to it really. 
I tried picking it back up again

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in Northern Ireland, but I just 
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and it I just, I couldn't, there
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more and I thought, you know 
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different because you can kind 
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you kind of age into running in 
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like 30, you're getting old, 
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Exactly. 
Yeah. 

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And I and I love that because I 
I'm 28 right now and I'm like 

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just chilling like Register hit 
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we'll be getting somewhere. 
But yeah, it was my it was my 

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whole world for the longest 
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And then I kind of fell out of 
love with it in a sense. 

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And but now all my time is 
occupied by running anywhere I 

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wouldn't have time to play. 
So I getting back to while 

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you're on here, the backyard, 
it's just been over a week. 

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How are you feeling? 
I'm all right. 

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Yeah. 
I I'm amazed at how fast I've 

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kind of recovered from it. 
Asleep was a bit funky for a 

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while. 
I mean, you know how it is. 

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It's it's you're sleep deprived 
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then your body wakes you up in a
sense. 

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Yeah. 
So that was a bit, you know, 

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touch and go as it as it is. 
But it's crazy because I compare

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Highlander more 150 miles to 
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Scotland, 100. 
He's got 110 miles and my, my 

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Scotland recovery was really, 
really tough compared to where 

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I'm at with Highlander now. 
So a week, a week out and I've 

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ran 1/2 marathon yesterday and 
you know, like it's, it's 

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physically I'm fine. 
It's, my feet are a bit, you 

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know, sensitive from being on 
them so much. 

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But honestly, it's back to a bit
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Never have a problem eating. 
I will always eat absolutely 

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everything. 
So yeah, I'm quite happy with 

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with the way recovery has been. 
To be honest. 

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You're quite surprised. 
And I had no blisters because my

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crew is an absolute, you know, 
legend Scotty, I don't know what

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he did with my feet, but there 
no, no blisters, nothing at all.

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It was incredible. 
So yeah, we'll be back at it 

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soon. 
Yeah, well, just to to big up 

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who, who was your coach? 
Not your coach, your your crew. 

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Have you got anything you want 
to say about him? 

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Yeah, I mean like he I've I've 
thanked him loads, but Scotty, I

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know Scotty threw GB ultras and 
he I was I was looking for you 

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find him on the ground. 
On the ground, Scotty or has he 

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he off the cuff comment was 
like, I was like, oh, I've got a

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backyard. 
He was like, oh, I'm free that 

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weekend. 
I was like, you know, maybe crew

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me because I was planning on 
going up just by myself, which 

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would have really limited my 
miles. 

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And he was like, yeah, go on. 
And I had no idea. 

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I thought, you know, I'd be, you
know, kind of teaching someone 

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how to crew me out of backyard. 
So I wrote him this, like, Bible

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essentially with like all these 
different notes. 

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I don't know if you saw it sat 
there on the chair, but all 

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these different notes and like 
what to do, you know, which loop

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and whatnot and different things
about me. 

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And you know, lo and behold, a 
couple loops in, you know, he's 

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got it all sorted. 
He's got his his own plan. 

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He's got this foot care regime 
going on. 

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So he was absolutely amazing. 
So honestly, I do not think 36 

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hours would have been possible 
without him. 

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Or if they were, my feet would 
have been suffering a lot more 

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than they were, honestly. 
And it's, it's that connect, 

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it's that crew that you come 
into and you literally just sit 

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and you get your foods handed to
you. 

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All you got to do is eat. 
You know, it, it was just, he 

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was absolutely incredible. 
Like absolutely incredible. 

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I was hoping to take him with me
to Switzerland in October, so 

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fingers crossed. 
Yeah, because you're 36 yards 

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that you did and that's 
qualified you for the Swiss team

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in the what what we're calling 
it nowadays, the world's team 

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championship for backyard 
ultras. 

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It's. 
From the world champs it sounds 

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really cool. 
Yeah, but and you, you've 

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already said you, you've got a 
Swiss passport, that's what's 

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qualified you for the team. 
And 36 yards? 

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How far up the at large list 
does that get you? 

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So I think I'm eight right now. 
So kind of right in the middle, 

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which is a lot higher than I 
planned on being. 

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I kind of just wanted the the 
plan was because going into 

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Highlander, I wasn't even sure 
like I was getting for it, but I

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wasn't like not kind of like you
where you're more like I'm, I'm,

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I'm going to run, you know, you 
know, at World Champs in 

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October, like, you know, that's 
it for you. 

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I know you want to, you want to 
go on, you want to probably want

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to go to bags and whatnot. 
But for me it was kind of like, 

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yeah, if I can get a spot, you 
know, cool. 

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If it doesn't happen, it's all 
right. 

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But kind of telling myself I 
didn't want it in the way that I

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did want it to save myself from 
disappointment. 

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And because I was, I ran 27 
yards at Devon and Cornwall last

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year and that put me on on the 
on the top 15. 

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And obviously, you know, that 
was quite early on. 

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So I dropped down to 17 and then
I was, I was going to run a cow 

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shed. 
And that was my plan. 

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I was like, right, I'll try to 
hit 30 at cow shed and we'll 

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see. 
We'll see how we go from there. 

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And then cow shed got cancelled 
and I realized I was like, oh, 

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crap. 
You know what? 

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I do actually kind of want to 
give like the fact that I can't 

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stop cancelled. 
I was like. 

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You know, like I don't just want
to sit on it. 

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So so I went for, I really only 
needed 30 to kind of push myself

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over the edge, But I kind of 
realized as Highlander was going

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on, I was like, maybe I do want 
this a little bit more than I'm 

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letting myself think I do. 
And I mean, I guess that just 

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comes with I had to be there and
experience that change of 

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emotion and that understanding 
of, well, I actually want to let

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myself let myself want it in a 
sense, because I do a lot of 

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that where I'm like, Oh no, I 
don't actually care, but I do 

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care. 
So, well, I, I think there was 

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several people, including myself
that were not letting you stop 

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you. 
You might have thought that you 

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were doing 30, but you weren't 
getting. 

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You were earning that place on 
the team just like Tom was 

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earning his place. 
It was really funny because I, I

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was so excited to meet you 
because I think you posted 

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something on the Highlander 
group the morning of being like,

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oh, you're marshalling. 
And I remember looking at me 

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like, Oh my gosh, like I'm so 
excited. 

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I'm such a huge fan. 
Like I was so excited. 

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And then I rock up and I'm like,
I'm like, where is he? 

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Like he's here somewhere. 
And I was speaking to Richard 

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Goldsworthy is it got on 100 
because he won the men's race 

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and I won the females race. 
And I was chatting to him and 

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you walked by and I was like, Oh
my gosh. 

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And then we took a picture and I
was like, I was, I was like 

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fangirling hardcore. 
And then I was like 30 hours 

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later, I hate this man. 
I hate about him. 

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I hate his guts. 
Like he's just making me run and

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run and run as it was. 
It was so funny to me 

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afterwards, just looking back on
it. 

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I was like how the how the 
things have changed over the 

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course of what? 
Or 36 hours. 

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There you go. 
But by 36 hours, all right, 

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well, I was all right with you 
for for a little while back. 

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It was touching go for a bit. 
Yeah, I'll, I'll accept that 

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You, you you earned your place. 
Thank you. 

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Thank. 
You so you were saying that you 

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did the Scotland 100, you've won
the female race and that you've 

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won other races as well. 
You've you've won back at least 

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one backyard that I know of. 
Big question You, you like to 

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travel around. 
So what are you going to do with

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all these trophies? 
You move. 

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Yeah, I've actually just had put
a new shelf up in my room for 

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them. 
But yeah, like to be honest, the

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last time I packaged them all up
when I moved to England, I 

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packaged them all up and put 
them in a box and chipped them 

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over. 
But hopefully I'll, I'll be here

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for a while. 
So we'll just, we'll think about

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that maybe later on in life. 
So what's what's keeping you in 

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England at the moment? 
Are you working? 

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Yeah, yeah, I'm. 
Working race is just loving 

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life. 
I yeah, to be honest with you, 

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I'm, I'm like I work, I've got a
full time job and whatnot, but 

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really I, I think I've got a 
really good thing going in 

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England right now and I like 
where I live. 

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I live in like Manchester area 
in Stockport so it's a really 

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good location. 
I've got the peaks literally 30 

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minutes, lakes two hours, 
Snowdonia 2 hours. 

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I think I've recently just over 
the past, especially the past 

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year, I've kind of fell in love 
with my own life in a sense. 

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Sorry the cat, we've got a three
legged cat. 

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So good fun. 
I've got 2 cats at home so. 

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But I think especially with with
running and I never, I never 

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really thought it would, it 
would kind of get, I didn't 

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think I'd be as good at it as 
things are going for me in a 

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sense. 
And it kind of just I'm so 

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sorry. 
It's kind of just, it's become 

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my whole world, it's become my 
life and I just love being out 

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and about. 
And so for now, I just feel like

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I've got so much good going in 
England. 

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I've got so many like races that
I want to do. 

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I've got such an incredible 
support system. 

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I mean, after Highlander, I 
just, I was overwhelmed with the

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messages and the posts and 
everyone just, you know, 

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encouraging me and cheering me 
on and they don't even know me. 

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And, you know, just this amazing
support system of people that 

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just for whatever reason, 
believe in me and, you know, 

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think I can do cool things. 
And it just makes me feel like, 

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right, it gives me the 
confidence to give these races a

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go that terrify me. 
And the more that happens, I'm 

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like, right, well, there, I want
to do that one now. 

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I want to try to do that one. 
I want to try to do that 1. 

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So it's, I've got too many 
reasons to stick around right 

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now and too many things I want 
to try and too many places 

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within the UK that I want to go.
So yeah, that's kind of what's 

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keeping me here for the time 
being. 

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Good in in the Highlander, the 
talk talking about people that 

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knew what you were doing, blah, 
blah, blah, etcetera. 

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Every lap you walked out of the 
corral and probably for at least

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half a mile where we could see 
you, you were walking. 

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And people kept on saying to me 
that you're going slow. 

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And I told them, no, it's OK, 
she knows what she's doing. 

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And obviously I showed that you 
did. 

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Was that a conscious I'm walking
to show people that, or is that 

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just your your thing that that's
how you do it? 

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Yeah, it's, it's just my way of 
running backyards now. 

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And it's not only mine, like a 
lot, a lot of people do it as 

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you, as you know from running 
with some really good 

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backyarders. 
I so I ran, I ran Wrestle Block 

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with my first backyard, their 
first event and I ran 40 fives 

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at Russell Block and I wiped 
myself out. 

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I ran 20 hours and I just 
destroyed my legs. 

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And obviously the weather was 
really cold that year. 

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That's the year Kaz set the, the
GB, the female GB record. 

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But I just, I hit a wall and 
that was it. 

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And my legs just seized up. 
And then I ran over in Suffolk 

444
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,400
and I slowed it down quite a bit
and I was taking from, you know,

445
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,280
Hendrick and Oriole and and John
Stocker and whatnot, kind of 

446
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,320
observing the way they're 
running and just a lot of slow 

447
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,920
stuff. 
So I gave it a bit more of a go 

448
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,360
and I DNF at 28 at Suffolk. 
So it worked quite a bit more. 

449
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,200
And then I just applied that at 
Devon, Cornwall. 

450
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,080
And it's just, it just works for
me, to be honest with you. 

451
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,800
And especially of course like 
Highlander, I think it really 

452
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,160
works because the fast part of 
the course is the second-half of

453
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,400
the course. 
And I don't like running on flat

454
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,560
when it comes to backyards. 
I feel like it takes up so much 

455
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,920
energy. 
And then as well at Highlander, 

456
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,120
the first chunk is grass. 
Why would you want to run on the

457
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,840
grass? 
It just zaps your energy. 

458
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,400
Like I don't like running on 
grass. 

459
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,680
So it's just, it just works 
through me. 

460
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,000
It really does. 
And yeah, I just find that it 

461
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,200
helps me not get caught up in 
like the hustle and bustle of 

462
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,240
the race as well. 
Because when you run with 

463
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,360
people, you know, you're you're 
getting the energy from 

464
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,520
everybody else. 
And for for a backyard, you just

465
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,680
need to stay calm. 
But you need to just relax. 

466
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,440
An hour is a long time to get 
through four, 4.16 miles. 

467
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,080
And I find that keeping myself 
away from people, it helps me 

468
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,120
just, you know, stick to my 
plan, stay calm. 

469
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Don't get me wrong, I like 
talking to people, but you know,

470
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,880
especially the beginning of a 
loop, I don't want to rush off. 

471
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,320
And yes, I just, it just, it 
works to me. 

472
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,080
I'll stick to it. 
Yeah, John, John Stalker has 

473
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,840
just done the Lakeland 100 this 
weekend. 

474
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:14,280
So as different than a backyard,
I've done backyards, I've done 

475
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:20,040
the Lakeland 100. 
Look, looking at that with your,

476
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,680
you've just done the Scotland 
100 and backyard. 

477
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,680
How does your training differ 
between them? 

478
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,040
It used to when I started 
running backyards. 

479
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,840
Around five of them now. 
Don't know why it's horrible. 

480
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,720
What a waste of my time. 
When I I've done 9 so I can't 

481
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,160
say anything but. 
Just that wait which? 

482
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,320
Ones. 
Have you ran a Suffolk 

483
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Lionsgate? 
Cowsheds. 

484
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:04,040
A Lionsgate Twice. 
Actually a Castle Ward 

485
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,640
Highlander twice. 
How many is that? 

486
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,720
Yeah. 
Is that 9 out there? 

487
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,360
A lot of backyards. 
That's a lot of circles. 

488
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,600
Yeah. 
So yeah, training differences. 

489
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,600
I when I started running 
backyards, the first couple ones

490
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,960
I did, I did train in loops, you
know, consciously to kind of get

491
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,320
myself used to that. 
It's so boring. 

492
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,760
It's so boring running like it's
just, I just find it so 

493
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:43,560
upgrading to run in circles 
training and I found that the 

494
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,640
only parts that I really 
struggled with is backyards was 

495
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,880
running into the morning. 
So coming through the sunrise 

496
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,560
and into the day and being able 
to hold on to that motivation 

497
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,200
because I think with the 
sunrise, and you can agree or 

498
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,600
disagree with me on this, with 
the sunrise, you get this hope 

499
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,160
in a sense, and it's like new 
energy. 

500
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,040
But then suddenly the sun's up 
and you've got this like, right,

501
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,960
it's going to get back. 
And then and then it's not and 

502
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,480
your body still hurts and you're
still tired and you know, I 

503
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,480
mean, it's like a little bit of 
hope and then you get over the 

504
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,480
sunrise and you still have to 
keep going. 

505
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,320
So I found that that's really 
what I struggled with. 

506
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,200
So it wasn't, it wasn't the 
monotony of running in circles 

507
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,560
because I can keep running. 
I can just keep going. 

508
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,120
That's fine. 
And I can occupy my mind with 

509
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:37,040
things to distract me from where
I'm running, but it's the going 

510
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,400
through the night that I 
strolled with. 

511
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,560
And the best way to work on that
was to run races that I had to 

512
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,240
go through the night. 
And so I stopped training in 

513
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,520
circles and I just trained as I 
normally would and just trained 

514
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,240
by field and train, you know, go
places I love to run and 

515
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,520
whatnot. 
And that's kind of what it's 

516
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,880
really been this whole year. 
It's been going out to the 

517
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,720
peaks. 
I was bagging all the ethos 

518
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,600
since like October, which was 
such good fun. 

519
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,120
I was on a mission just like, 
right, got to get that one, got 

520
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,680
to get that one. 
It was such a good way to train 

521
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,280
because it was just, it just had
me out and out for hours in 

522
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,040
whatever weather. 
And so yet now the way on my 

523
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,880
method behind training is just 
whatever, whatever is going to 

524
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,640
make me happy, really wherever 
is going to make me happy, 

525
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,760
That's what that's what I'll go 
do. 

526
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,760
And I know loops works for lots 
of people, but it's not for me 

527
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,960
anymore. 
Not the training in in circles. 

528
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:37,640
I run enough of those. 
So you're happy racing loops, 

529
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,040
but not necessarily training 
loops? 

530
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Yes, yes. 
Well, I mean, I'm not, I don't, 

531
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,640
you know. 
How much do you love running in 

532
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,400
circles? 
But. 

533
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,000
There's other ways to train for 
backyards. 

534
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,560
You can if you want to do the 
circles as it were. 

535
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,280
You don't have to do circles. 
You can run, run for four miles 

536
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,200
and then take a 5 minute rest 
and then run for four miles. 

537
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,440
So it's different ways for 
different people. 

538
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,760
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

539
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,560
You just got to find what works 
best for you. 

540
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,600
Yeah. 
You you were saying about 

541
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,440
running into the dawn. 
I always think that it's it's 

542
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,320
almost Lord of the Rings ask 
when you're you're running into 

543
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,120
the dawn or the the the 2nd 
mornings type thing. 

544
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,880
I absolutely like now I love it.
Like it's one of my favorite 

545
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,000
things. 
I want to get to the sunrise. 

546
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,480
I was really annoyed at how 
short the night was at Highland.

547
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,000
I was like, I've just put my 
headlamp on. 

548
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320
I could do with a couple more 
hours of darkness because the 

549
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240
sunrises and then there's still 
like a bajillion hours till 

550
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,920
midday and it's just the long. 
It was the longest 100 miles of 

551
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,240
my life, but I love it. 
I love running into this, into 

552
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,160
the sunrise. 
There's something about it feels

553
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,880
like you're on some quest. 
It's like it's so cool. 

554
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,000
Like I cannot recommend it 
enough to people. 

555
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,360
There's just something about it.
Gossipy. 

556
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,120
That was another backyard that 
I've done and that's in November

557
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,679
in Scotland, so I think it was 
16 hours of darkness. 

558
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,280
If you're after, if you're after
darkness, there you go. 

559
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,639
There's. 
A little bit much for me. 

560
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,320
I mean, I say that and then 
you'll see me there next year or

561
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,760
something. 
Yeah. 

562
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:31,560
So you're saying that you're 
surprised at how your recovery 

563
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:41,080
is gone, How compared to 
straight point, point race? 

564
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,440
How do you recover on that? 
How do you compare it to this? 

565
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,480
For me, the as you said, it's 
the tiredness, getting into the 

566
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,920
circadian rhythm. 
So getting your body, it's 

567
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,760
almost like jet lag. 
Is that how you feel? 

568
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Yeah, yeah, definitely. 
And it's like one minute I feel 

569
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,040
fine and I'm, you know, eating, 
and the next minute I'm like, I 

570
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,760
need it later, which, you know, 
it's that that's what jet lag is

571
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,200
really like. 
You're like, I'm all right, all 

572
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,600
right. 
And then suddenly you go to 

573
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,480
sleep and you're you're out for 
three hours and you just, that's

574
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,360
just how it is. 
And I just approach it by 

575
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,120
whatever my body is telling me 
it needs to do. 

576
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,240
We're just going to go with 
that, you know, permitting life 

577
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,120
commitments, obviously, because 
can't just, you know, fall 

578
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:39,480
asleep wherever if I'm out. 
Yeah, I think in like the main 

579
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,120
difference that I see is 
physically like aches and pains 

580
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,920
and niggles. 
Again, like Scotland 100, I took

581
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,760
a toenail off after the right, 
maybe two or three toenails off,

582
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,200
just had to take them off 
because they were just, you 

583
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,520
know, blisters and, you know, no
fun. 

584
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,880
But that's because I was, my 
feet were wet the whole time and

585
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,880
different terrains and whatnot. 
But like with the backyard, you 

586
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,240
know what you're, you know what 
you're doing each lap, you know 

587
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,280
what's happening. 
And we didn't get too much. 

588
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,840
We got a little bit of rain, but
it wasn't too bad. 

589
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,600
So I think the main differences 
for me are obviously sleep is 

590
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,920
always going to be a thing, but 
even for like a shorter like A50

591
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,240
mile or 100K, I'll have more 
like random niggles because of 

592
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,280
the terrain differences and the,
you know, the elevation gain and

593
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,240
stuff that I will on a, on a 
backyard, I think. 

594
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,440
A lot of people say that 
toenails coming off, that's just

595
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,120
a badge of honor to say that 
you've done it. 

596
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,680
I mean I I've never have 10 
toenails at one given time 

597
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,560
anymore. 
I know some people from America 

598
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,880
actually that's they paint their
toenails, but they whether 

599
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,960
they've got toenails or not, 
they just paint the the toenail 

600
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,080
bed. 
Is that what you call it? 

601
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,120
So just to pretend that they're 
there. 

602
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,360
They paint them black. 
I've heard that before. 

603
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,160
People like. 
I'm not sure that they were 

604
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,120
trying to convince me to do. 
It was like, Nah, it's all 

605
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,720
right. 
Maybe you should. 

606
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,480
Maybe you should. 
Maybe one day, but other than 

607
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,760
toenails and not necessarily 
this race, but have you had any 

608
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:28,640
major injuries? 
No, not since I started running 

609
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,960
ultras. 
I think what I'll get here and 

610
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,240
there and less now, more when I 
started like really ramping up 

611
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:44,280
my mileage, it was like kind of 
overtraining injuries because 

612
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,840
I've started running more 
essentially, which you're bound 

613
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,160
to get things as your body 
adapts to it. 

614
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,440
And so things like that. 
I get like some tendonitis flare

615
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,080
ups here and there. 
Depends. 

616
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Like normally in like colder 
weather. 

617
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,560
So yeah. 
But a lot of it is they're more 

618
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,080
things I know are my weaknesses.
And if, and we all do this, if, 

619
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,320
you know, you have a weakness 
and then you neglect to work on 

620
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,000
it in the gym, for example, 
because we all love the gym, 

621
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,960
then it's going to bite you 
back, isn't it? 

622
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,000
So there are things that when I 
do get these, like niggle, I 

623
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,680
don't want to call them 
injuries, but like, little 

624
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,760
niggles, I'll be like, yeah, 
well, you know, that's my fault.

625
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,360
I haven't been focusing on that.
So I knew it was going to come, 

626
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,520
but I've never had, like, never 
had a break or anything like 

627
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,720
that in my life. 
Yeah, it's so far. 

628
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,200
Thank goodness. 
Long may continue. 

629
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,520
You say you go to the gym. 
You, you muttered that there do 

630
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,920
do you do any other cross 
training other than, well, 

631
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:57,320
you've you've stopped football? 
With feet, I used to cycle a lot

632
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,920
more, but I don't anymore. 
You know, I, I don't really have

633
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,800
an excuse. 
Well, my bikes are a flat tire 

634
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,840
right now, so that's my excuse. 
And there are no brake pads, so 

635
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,160
I can't really cycle. 
So that's my excuse for that. 

636
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,040
I try to swim every so often, 
but it's more like a, I'm going 

637
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,680
to go swimming this week and I'm
it happens maybe once a month. 

638
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,520
It's a lot of running. 
It's a lot of running and then 

639
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,480
gym, probably like three to five
days a week. 

640
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,520
OK, well, my my introduction 
today was going to be somebody 

641
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,720
that epitomizes a strong, 
independent woman, and that was 

642
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,280
going to be you. 
So I'd say that you've got no 

643
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:52,560
excuse for fixing your bike. 
No you are 100% correct I and I,

644
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,320
I really need to do it because 
actually the other day I had a 

645
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,240
friend and he was training with 
a good friend of mine. 

646
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,360
He was training for 100K 
Liverpool to Blackpool I think 

647
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,240
it was. 
I think it was and I was like, 

648
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,080
right, I'll go on a training 
ride with you. 

649
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,320
We'll do like 30 miles in the 
morning. 

650
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,720
Night before I was like, and I 
was like, this will be a good 

651
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,760
reason to fix my bike. 
It'll get me, it'll get me to, 

652
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,520
you know, sort it out, be like 
head sorted out. 

653
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,520
I know how to sort it out. 
Night before I was like I 

654
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:27,240
haven't fixed it yet but I can't
I can't go with you tomorrow But

655
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:33,680
I know it's on my To Do List. 
But my To Do List is lengthy and

656
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,960
I ignore it most days. 
Fair enough, you got runs to do 

657
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,560
exactly. 
Exactly, Yeah. 

658
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,160
So Scotty was crewing for you. 
What was he making you eat? 

659
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:57,280
Well, I right, so I don't eat 
any of, and I told you this, I 

660
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,160
don't eat any gels, any, 
anything that's really like 

661
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,160
artificially tasting. 
I can't do it. 

662
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,600
I used to do it. 
I used to eat like goose and sis

663
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,160
and stuff like that or whatever 
the appropriate pronunciations 

664
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,400
are for these things. 
But one day I was running in the

665
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,920
Cotswolds and I had a goo gel 
and it came right back out and 

666
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,600
that was the end. 
So I, I eat a lot of pretzels 

667
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,760
and like, I don't know if you've
seen them, but like they're, 

668
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,000
they're from ALDI. 
They're like these jalapeno 

669
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:39,800
pretzel chunks or like mustard 
and honey pretzel chunks and 

670
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,160
they're amazing. 
And I probably a pack a day 

671
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,400
they'll lie or just like regular
pretzels. 

672
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,160
So that's a lot of what I eat. 
I'll eat like shop locks, a lot 

673
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:59,960
of soup at backyards, Nothing 
dairy like that will just that 

674
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,200
will just destroy me. 
I'll just vomit that right back 

675
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,120
up. 
Yeah. 

676
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
So like soup, pot noodles, 
things like that. 

677
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,600
Potatoes. 
But I didn't have any potatoes. 

678
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,040
I didn't bring any potatoes. 
But I love it when a race 

679
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,480
checkpoint has like just boiled 
potatoes and sweet potatoes as 

680
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,080
well. 
Those are really good. 

681
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:26,320
Yeah, I eat a lot of pretzels. 
So you said no, no dairy. 

682
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:33,160
Is that a dietary thing, 
environmental, moral, or just it

683
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,600
doesn't agree with you? 
I just can't take it when I'm 

684
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,960
running it. 
It will just it just flips my 

685
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,920
stomach. 
That's just from experience. 

686
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,680
So I would love to like, you 
know how sometimes they have 

687
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,120
like little, you know, races, 
they'll have cheese chunks or 

688
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,000
something. 
No, just can't do it. 

689
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,520
And for some, I always crave 
milk when it's like a really hot

690
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,840
day and I've been running and I 
could quite literally go on a 

691
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,440
run and heat and then come home 
and chug, you know, a gallon of 

692
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:09,080
milk a gallon. 
But yeah, that it just, I can't 

693
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,520
do it. 
And it's just from experience. 

694
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,640
So yeah. 
So I just stick to the simple 

695
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,640
things I do. 
It is something I need to work 

696
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,080
on with backyards is getting 
hardier food. 

697
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,400
And because also when when when 
you started chatting to me, I 

698
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080
was like, I'm starving. 
I forget what loop it was, but I

699
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,120
was absolutely starving. 
And for some reason it had hit 

700
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,520
me right there. 
And I've been eating really, 

701
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,880
really well, but just not 
enough. 

702
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,800
Yeah. 
So yeah, no, it's, it's 

703
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,800
something I need to, I do need 
to work on. 

704
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:45,320
Yeah, during a race once I had 
milk at one checkpoint and then 

705
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,040
not that long after, it might 
have even been the same 

706
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,320
checkpoint. 
I had orange juice and it it was

707
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:58,400
the 5 minutes later, the least 
unpleasant vomiting I've ever 

708
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:04,800
had. 
It was it it. 

709
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,560
It didn't. 
I was still being sick. 

710
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:12,800
It was horrible, don't get me 
wrong, but it didn't taste that 

711
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,440
unpleasant. 
It's. 

712
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Coming out. 
Yeah, so, but yeah, milk and 

713
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,680
orange juice, don't recommend 
it. 

714
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,760
No, I'm all right. 
I'll no, I'll I'll take your. 

715
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:35,960
Word all right and moving on 
your daily diet, how how's that?

716
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,360
What? 
What kind of things do you? 

717
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,920
Is it a normal sort of standard 
diet? 

718
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,760
Is do you follow any particular 
gimmick? 

719
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,320
No, I, I mean, if you ask my 
friends, they're like, Oh my 

720
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,120
gosh, Rebecca eats so healthy. 
But in my mind, it's not in my 

721
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,320
mind, it's normal. 
It's, it's a lot of chicken, 

722
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,000
it's a lot of rice, it's a lot 
of salad, veggies like falafel 

723
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:08,160
wraps, lot of eggs, lot of 
toast, lots of fruits. 

724
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:15,240
And like, you know, I love dark 
chocolate, like, you know, a 

725
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,080
cappuccino or flat white and 
some dark chocolate. 

726
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,280
That's it. 
I know it makes me sound a lot 

727
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:26,280
older than I am, but I love it. 
Yeah, but I'd like, I won't, you

728
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,360
won't really see me eating take 
out or whatever. 

729
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,840
Just not because I have an issue
with it or I'm like purposely 

730
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,400
not trying to eat it. 
It's just I don't like the way 

731
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,520
it makes my stomach feel and 
then I feel just gross 

732
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,160
afterwards. 
So I think I've just just the 

733
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:46,000
food I like is healthier foods 
and and I think that's kind of 

734
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,120
what happens when you start. 
We implement that in your diet 

735
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,680
and your lifestyle. 
It becomes what you prefer. 

736
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,800
And I've just done that for so 
many years that it's, you know, 

737
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,960
that's kind of that's kind of 
what it is. 

738
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,360
But then, you know, I'll run an 
ultra and I'll chug a gallon of 

739
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Coke and then I'll apologize to 
my dentist ages. 

740
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,400
But. 
I think if you're having that as

741
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,400
a one off compared to most 
people, it's probably fine. 

742
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:22,560
Yeah, that's what I tell myself.
What kind of shoes kits were you

743
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,240
wearing or do you normally wear?
Were you wearing during the 

744
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,800
race? 
What protected you from you? 

745
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,800
You said it wasn't raining. 
What what helps with that? 

746
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:38,240
But it, it was a little bit, but
I am, I'm a hardcore innovate 

747
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,920
fan. 
Like I know Thomas is the same. 

748
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,320
We we were wearing the same 
shoes for a lot of it, a trail 

749
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,960
fly, but like the old trail fly,
the one that you can't really 

750
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,680
get on the Internet anymore, 
which I'm trying to buy them all

751
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,960
out basically. 
So 7 1/2 I'll have it. 

752
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,120
So like any innovate shoe 
really, I'll wear it. 

753
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,280
I love it. 
I wore so I was kind of, I had 

754
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,880
my trail flies and then I had a 
pair of speed goats as well. 

755
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,080
And then I had a pair of a pair 
of ultras. 

756
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Now I am really bad with kit. 
I kind of wear whatever. 

757
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,160
I don't take care of my kit 
either. 

758
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,560
So Scotty saw my shoes and he 
was like, do you still have dirt

759
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,360
on them from the southern up 
way? 

760
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,440
Like yeah, but you'll most of 
the time you see me in a trail 

761
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,640
fly. 
Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty much the 

762
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,880
same with my kit as well. 
That's that's what the washing 

763
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,000
machines for. 
And then if it doesn't come off 

764
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,760
then yeah, you'll wear again. 
It's going to get dirty anyway. 

765
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,280
That's. 
Exactly it. 

766
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,080
That's why what's the point if 
it's going to get dirty? 

767
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,480
And so yeah, that that's my 
thought. 

768
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,600
But other people are different 
and they like to take care of 

769
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,720
the kit and. 
Who does that? 

770
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,600
That's that's what makes this 
all individual. 

771
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,160
So you, you mentioned a few 
different brands there. 

772
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,520
So that suggests to me that 
you've not got any sponsorship. 

773
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,320
No, I don't. 
Maybe someday. 

774
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,960
Yeah, if someday wants to pass 
on some free kit, then feel free

775
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,120
to either of us. 
My dream would be would be to be

776
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,200
an innovative ambassador. 
I would. 

777
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,600
I would. 
I'd be loving my life even more 

778
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,320
than I already do. 
But for now, I'll just keep 

779
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,160
plodding along. 
Good deep, deep question for 

780
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,440
you. 
What do you think about when 

781
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:41,520
you're running? 
Yeah, like day-to-day, if I'm if

782
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,680
I'm going for a slow run, I'll 
put a podcast on and that will 

783
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,480
occupy my mind. 
Pretty standard run. 

784
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,760
I'll have music on and that will
occupy my mind when I race. 

785
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,640
I don't listen to music unless I
need it. 

786
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,400
So like out of backyard. 
Obviously you have a lot of time

787
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:07,800
to just be with your own mind. 
And sometimes I'll just phase 

788
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,000
out. 
Sometimes I'll talk out loud to 

789
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,800
myself, which is fun to run with
me when that happens. 

790
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,640
And that's normally a lot of 
like positive self talk. 

791
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,160
So that will normally happen 
when I'm kind of not loving 

792
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,760
everything or something's 
bothering me or I just, you 

793
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,280
know, everything just really 
grating on me and it, I feel 

794
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,120
like it's taking ages to get 
from mile 10 to 70. 

795
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,880
Do you know what I mean? 
Although it obviously does take 

796
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,240
ages, but especially in 
backyards. 

797
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:45,760
I I hate I hate the 1st 50 miles
because I feel like it. 

798
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,080
It's so boring. 
Can we just not start a day in? 

799
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,080
Yeah, like it like I don't, 
yeah, I don't know, it just, 

800
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,880
it's just so boring. 
You're not, it's you're not in 

801
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,320
the fun bit yet, you know, I 
mean like, so I don't know, 

802
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,080
nothing hurts yet. 
So you're kind of like you've 

803
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,560
got, you've got nothing to push 
you along. 

804
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,880
A lot of the time. 
I I'll do, I'll do a bit of 

805
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,840
visualization here and there, 
but that's normally like a 

806
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:20,440
latter half of a race. 
I kind of tug at old memories 

807
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,320
and just things that have 
happened in the past, and I like

808
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,160
to replay them in my mind. 
Good things, bad things, just 

809
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,440
experiences, and that will kind 
of occupy my brain quite a bit. 

810
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Just replaying like scenes from 
my life almost. 

811
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,360
I know that sounds a bit 
strange. 

812
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:48,840
I don't know if you do that. 
I'm, I'm not sure because I I 

813
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,280
don't know what I think about. 
So not nothing. 

814
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
What I always say is to be good 

815
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,120
at a backyard, you need to be 
comfortable with your own 

816
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,000
company. 
Yeah, yeah, you really do. 

817
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,440
People say it's the the most 
interactive with other people 

818
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,560
that you can in a race, but 
sometimes when you're getting 

819
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:23,960
into the like 30 hours, the the 
course is actually spread out so

820
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,400
you're you're on your own. 
Yeah, or you don't feel like 

821
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,760
talking to people. 
There was one loop where Thomas 

822
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,000
hung back and started the loop 
with me, and he's lovely, 

823
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,360
absolutely lovely. 
But I just didn't feel like 

824
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
chatting that loop. 
And he was trying to have a bit 

825
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,320
of a conversation with me and I 
was just like, I kind of just 

826
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,600
want to be in my own head here. 
But yeah, I don't know, like it.

827
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,360
I guess it really depends. 
Anything to help me kind of pass

828
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,280
the time really. 
And the music if, if I really, 

829
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,880
if I really need it. 
But you say that about 

830
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,600
backyards. 
It is really social, but at the 

831
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,760
same time I find that it drains 
me. 

832
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,680
So you have this huge 
opportunity to chat to all these

833
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,840
people. 
But especially in the early 

834
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,240
hours, if I'm chatting too much 
with the people, I'm giving so 

835
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,200
much of my energy because I, I, 
I get like really socially 

836
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,920
drained really quickly. 
So I find that I have to hold 

837
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,040
myself back and not talk to 
everybody. 

838
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:30,960
OK, what tell tell me about 
before races, do you get 

839
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,880
nervous? 
Oh my gosh you're shit. 

840
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,480
I'm shitting shitting myself 
every time. 

841
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:45,080
I I hate start lines so much. 
I hate start lines not as much 

842
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:51,400
as I hated you the other day. 
I, I can tell how much I care 

843
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:58,360
about a race by how terrified I 
am of it because I've rocked up 

844
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,840
start lines before where I'm 
like, whatever, We'll see how it

845
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,840
go. 
And then especially like 

846
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,040
Highlander and Scotland 100. 
I, I was, I did not want the 

847
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,320
start line. 
I was terrified of the start 

848
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,800
line. 
Like Scotland 100 at every 

849
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,760
single checkpoint. 
I was basically telling all the 

850
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,960
Marshalls I was like, I just 
want to finish the race. 

851
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,320
I just want to finish the race. 
I was like close to tears so 

852
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,880
early on the race being like so 
emotional about like, I just 

853
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,040
want to finish the race. 
I don't know if I can. 

854
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,960
I just want to finish the race. 
I was terrified of that, of that

855
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,240
start line. 
Same with the Islander. 

856
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,800
I was just like dreading the 
start line because I cared more 

857
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,520
than I realized I cared. 
So normally I'm shitting myself 

858
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,720
on a start line. 
I may not like it, but. 

859
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,720
Do you think that's because 
you're excited about it? 

860
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,800
That's why you're almost 
terrified of it, because you 

861
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,240
want, you really want to do it. 
Maybe maybe sometimes I'm just 

862
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:05,640
scared of the course, but it's 
just so much unknown, especially

863
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:11,600
in your longer distances. 
And I get scared of like, what's

864
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,680
going to happen? 
How am I going to handle this? 

865
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,320
How's my body going to react to 
this? 

866
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,200
You know, am I going to be 
mentally tough enough to, you 

867
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,200
know, get through certain bits 
or get through a night or 

868
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,880
whatnot? 
So it's just so much of the 

869
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,000
unknown that really scares me. 
And and that's why in most 

870
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,280
races, I really don't like the 
first chunk of the race because 

871
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,680
it's kind of like it's this 
build up to me getting to the 

872
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,760
point where I'm like, am I going
to be good this time? 

873
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,240
Am I going to be able to push 
through? 

874
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,640
Because normally the first chunk
of chunk of miles is fine 

875
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,160
because my body can handle it. 
It knows what it's doing. 

876
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,800
But and I find that really 
grading that first chunk of, you

877
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,600
know, let's just build up to the
good stuff. 

878
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,080
And I don't know what's going to
happen or where I'll be mentally

879
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,520
when I get there or whatnot. 
So yeah, it's a lot of it. 

880
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,760
It's probably like excitement 
because I care a little bit of 

881
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,160
genuine fear. 
That's just kind of how how it 

882
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,840
goes for me and I just have to 
deal with it. 

883
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:22,760
And going back to Highlander, 
you did 36 yards. 

884
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,920
Your aim was 30. 
You weren't getting to stop. 

885
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,240
But you, you put a post on 
Facebook saying that you, you 

886
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:35,920
had made a deal with Thoma. 
Care to explain that? 

887
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:43,600
Yeah, so we, so it's pretty 
early on in the race like you, 

888
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:49,520
you meet people and I, I kind of
just when you chat to people and

889
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,720
I was chatting to Joe, the one 
who proposed to his girlfriend 

890
00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:57,320
at the end of the race, another 
really, really lovely guy. 

891
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,320
And he, I think he, he, I forget
which one it was, but he had won

892
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,920
a backyard couple weeks 
beforehand, I think with like 26

893
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,400
hours. 
And I know he, I knew he had big

894
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,000
goals. 
And then there was Thomas, who 

895
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,200
he made, he made it clear from 
the get go what his goals were 

896
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,960
and what he wanted. 
You know, backyards a bit of a 

897
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,640
game in that sense. 
Like, you know, are you going to

898
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,480
tell people what you want? 
Are you going to tell people 

899
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,720
what you've done? 
You know, are you going to, what

900
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,040
information are you going to 
give about yourself, Which it's 

901
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,320
a whole mind game as as you 
know, and Thomas made it really,

902
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,560
really, really clear early on 
and just seeing the way he was 

903
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,160
running, I can tell he's really,
really strong. 

904
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,720
Like he was everything super 
chill. 

905
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,160
His attitude was great. 
And again, you know how it is, 

906
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,040
you see people kind of decay a 
little bit, you know, just by 

907
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,720
the way they're running or their
attitude or whatnot. 

908
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,480
He was chilling. 
So I think thinking about like 

909
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,960
26 or 27 hours, I think, I think
it was past 24 hours. 

910
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,760
We had a chat. 
We were going up that hill 

911
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,120
because we had our rhythm 
basically, you know, we would, 

912
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,960
you know, do a little bit up the
hill together and then he'd 

913
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,760
leave me. 
And then, you know, and he was 

914
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,320
telling me what, you know, what 
he wanted, what his goals were 

915
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,000
here. 
And I was thinking to myself, 

916
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:23,360
right, well, I want 30 hours. 
And I'm not here. 

917
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,680
I'm not here to prove loads of 
things. 

918
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:33,640
Essentially after Scotland 100, 
I, I had, I just had this, this,

919
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,000
I don't know, this mentality of 
nobody can take that from me 

920
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,640
because I was in shock that that
race went the way it did. 

921
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,560
And I was like, I don't, I don't
have anything to prove right now

922
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,440
because I'm in all the fact that
that race happened the way it 

923
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,320
did and I was like 30 hours. 
I don't need anything else that 

924
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,640
would get me on the Swiss team. 
I can make a decision from 

925
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,000
there. 
And here's this guy who really 

926
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,360
clearly wants this spot and you 
can see how much he wanted it. 

927
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,520
And another thing that he was 
saying was, you know, he's never

928
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:15,120
won a race before, which like 
what he races is fun. 

929
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,880
And you know, like, as you know,
it's good fun. 

930
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,960
And I just I was like, well, you
know, I don't need to be selfish

931
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,600
about this race here. 
Plus I can't even have the 

932
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,520
silver ticket. 
Like, you know, I think because 

933
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,280
I've been running out of the 
Swiss flag under the Swiss flag 

934
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,000
sounds really sounds really 
legit. 

935
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,440
I can't I can't even have the 
silver ticket if I wanted it. 

936
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,560
And I didn't think I was on the 
live stream last night with Eric

937
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,640
and and Jonathan with Russell 
Block and and I I saw that if I 

938
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,960
had taken the win, then Julie 
would have gotten on the list. 

939
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,280
And I was like, Oh, I didn't 
know that. 

940
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:56,480
But well, I'm sorry, Julie, but 
yeah, I just had this moment. 

941
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,840
I was like, you know what? 
Like if he can get me to my 30 

942
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,360
yards, because you don't know 
what's going to happen. 

943
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,800
Like we might feel strong at 27 
yards and then everything blows 

944
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,000
up. 
So like, if he can get me to my 

945
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,560
30 yards, get me on that team, I
will. 

946
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,880
I will happily. 
If it comes down to me and him, 

947
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,680
which I think we both had a 
feeling it would, then he can 

948
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,040
have it because I win in so many
ways. 

949
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,280
You know, I get my spot on the 
team. 

950
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,960
I get the female Swiss records, 
you know, final female in the 

951
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,840
event. 
Like it like so many wins for 

952
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,680
me, like I don't have to be 
selfish about it. 

953
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,240
And he gets his spot on the on 
the squad. 

954
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,640
And then we'll you know, we're 
running out in October against 

955
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,200
each other essentially. 
So yeah, it was a conversation 

956
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:45,800
that we had and I was I just 
didn't feel like I need it. 

957
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,200
I didn't, I didn't feel like I 
had much to prove or, you know, 

958
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,440
I didn't. 
I why should I try and take that

959
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,520
from him if if I've got 
everything that I came for and 

960
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,920
more? 
It sounds justified to me. 

961
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,880
Has anybody from the Swiss team 
acknowledged your achievements, 

962
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:12,160
your your record? 
So the the record is a bit of a 

963
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,160
weird one because we were trying
to figure it out if it was 

964
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:19,560
actually a thing at first. 
And, and I've spoken to Eric 

965
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,000
Rastlebach again. 
He kind of does a lot of the 

966
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,200
backyard stuff. 
And he was like, yeah, it's 

967
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,760
confirmed. 
I'm in contact with the guy who 

968
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,280
organized the Swiss team because
he messaged me a while back, 

969
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,280
back when I ran Devin and 
Cornwall. 

970
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,880
And just to be like, are you 
actually Swiss? 

971
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,120
Because it was kind of all over 
the place. 

972
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,640
But yeah, so basically Eric has 
confirmed it, Laz has confirmed 

973
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,480
it. 
That's all I got. 

974
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,680
OK. 
When you're in Switzerland doing

975
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,360
the race will be virtually 
racing. 

976
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,760
I'll be in Suffolk and you'll be
in somewhere in Switzerland. 

977
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:04,960
I don't know where you're. 
Do you speak German? 

978
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:14,720
I used to growing up because my 
mom spoke, but not anymore. 

979
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,640
No, no, no, no, it's all gone. 
I'll understand quite a bit, but

980
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,520
Nope. 
So it'll be it'll be great fun 

981
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,320
with that. 
So so you'll be Google 

982
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,640
translating everything that 
people say to you gonna. 

983
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,360
Be honest with you, I lot of the
time a lot of twists. 

984
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,920
First of all, they speak really 
good English. 

985
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,600
They as a point, everybody over 
there will speak English, so 

986
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:38,920
there's nothing to worry about 
and. 

987
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,280
I think you get, I think you get
a lot, a lot of people similar 

988
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:45,360
to myself who like they have a 
Swiss passport, but they're not 

989
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,400
solely Swiss. 
You get a whole mixture of 

990
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,920
things. 
But I will make it a point to 

991
01:01:53,680 --> 01:02:03,240
you know better my Swiss German.
I think is it French as well 

992
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,760
maybe, I'm not sure. 
Yeah, depending on where you are

993
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,080
in Italian, yeah, yeah. 
But I have no idea where the 

994
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,840
race is, to be honest with you. 
I need to figure that out at 

995
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,600
some point in the next. 
Few months, I think technically 

996
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:25,160
I've raced in Switzerland, UTMB,
starting in Chamonix in France, 

997
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,400
going into Switzerland, in Italy
and back into France again. 

998
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,080
So yeah, there you go. 
Beautiful. 

999
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,960
Beautiful part of the world. 
Yeah, beautiful part. 

1000
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:39,280
Of the world, I can't remember 
much of it, but there you go. 

1001
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,040
A few questions to wrap up 
what's what's your preferred 

1002
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:50,600
race distance? 
I always say A50 Miller. 

1003
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:58,520
I love A50 Miller. 
It's like I, I don't know, it's 

1004
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,800
just such a good distance 
because it's, and people are 

1005
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,680
going to really hate me for 
saying this almost. 

1006
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,040
It's short enough that you can 
race it, but long enough that 

1007
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,560
you can feel the pain of an 
ultra in a sense, obviously 

1008
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,840
depending on the elevation gain.
And then you can be home for 

1009
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,840
dinner and sleep in your own bed
most of the time. 

1010
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:23,040
So I really enjoy A50 Miller, 
but recently I've especially 

1011
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,440
this year and if you look at 
like my race history and stuff, 

1012
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,280
you'll see that this year I've 
really been pushing to longer 

1013
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:33,680
distances and like I really 
enjoyed Scotland 100. 

1014
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,600
I, you know, there was so much 
to it that I loved and I just 

1015
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,120
see myself liking the 100 mile 
distance more and more and more 

1016
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,560
and just like stuff that I'm 
looking at for the future. 

1017
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,600
A lot of them are just longer, 
but I think I will always love 

1018
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,000
A50 Miller. 
You just, you can't. 

1019
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,280
You can't go wrong with a 50 
Miller. 

1020
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:59,120
I'd probably say 70 for me. 
Well, how many races are 70 

1021
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,040
miles along the? 
Well, Greg Glenn, I've done it 

1022
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:11,320
four times and won at 3:00. 
So the time that I came that I 

1023
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,040
then I didn't win it. 
I came second and I was a minute

1024
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,400
and a half behind the leader. 35
miles in I was an hour behind 

1025
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,280
the leader because I wasn't 
supposed to be racing it so. 

1026
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,480
That's what happens though. 
You're not supposed to be racing

1027
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,400
it. 
And then you get get out there 

1028
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:30,360
and they're like, maybe, yeah. 
Is it? 

1029
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,400
Would you recommend? 
I would recommend it, yes and 

1030
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:42,080
rocket events, same people that 
organize the Highlander as them 

1031
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,000
that organize a great plan. 
So what time are you? 

1032
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:51,720
Can't say about A Midsummer, I 
think it's start of July, 1st 

1033
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,840
weekend of July normally. 
OK. 

1034
01:04:53,920 --> 01:05:00,040
So midges. 
Well the thing about midges, if 

1035
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,400
you run fast enough they they 
won't keep up. 

1036
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,760
It's only when you stop. 
I'm surprised I had there were 

1037
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,920
there were like none at the 
Highlander I was. 

1038
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,520
All like I. 
Was all prepped. 

1039
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,400
I was like, right Scottish 
summer, this is like my 

1040
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,600
Scotland. 
I'm going to be all prepared for

1041
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:21,280
it. 
I wasn't. 

1042
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,040
And then they didn't even show 
up. 

1043
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:29,120
I was like what is this? 
But were you hoping that they 

1044
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,720
would? 
No, yes and no. 

1045
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,440
I was like, I was ready to 
battle him. 

1046
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,000
I was like OG Scottish 
experience, got to get out 

1047
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,600
there, they've got to be there 
and then they. 

1048
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,880
Yeah, and nobody wins against 
the Mitch. 

1049
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,960
They're the winner. 
It doesn't matter what you do. 

1050
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,480
Don't wait and not get better. 
It's not fair enough. 

1051
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,480
So a dream races, have you got 
any? 

1052
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:03,480
I've yeah, sort of a lot of them
are kind of in the UK at this 

1053
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,760
point in time because that's 
where my what, that's what I'm 

1054
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,200
kind of looking at. 
That's on my scope. 

1055
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,640
Races that scare me are my dream
races. 

1056
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,720
The spine terrifies me. 
I'm running Challenger North in 

1057
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:22,440
January, which scares me 
shitless, but like, the more I 

1058
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,960
up the distance, the more I feel
like, right, OK, you know, maybe

1059
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:29,480
I could do it, Maybe not. 
So those types of races, like 

1060
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,920
I'd love to do Dragons back just
as kind of like a bucket list 

1061
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,280
race. 
I'd love to race more abroad. 

1062
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,440
I've raced a couple of times in 
Spain and Portugal. 

1063
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,880
Yeah, like race. 
Yeah. 

1064
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,800
I don't know, really, really 
long races essentially. 

1065
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,200
But there are no like names that
are like big on my list. 

1066
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,760
It's kind of like I'll see 
something and if it terrifies 

1067
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,280
me, I'll be like, I kind of want
to do that. 

1068
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,840
But right now it's kind of spine
that really, really scares, 

1069
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,200
scares me quite a bit. 
I find it funny that you say 

1070
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,600
you'd like to race abroad more 
when you're you're probably the 

1071
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,240
most multicultural person that 
I've had on the show. 

1072
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,480
So there you go. 
But it's funny, I don't, you 

1073
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,200
know, obviously we've got like 
Hard Rock and bad water and all 

1074
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,240
those races in the States. 
I don't have an interest in 

1075
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,120
racing in the States right now 
and for some reason I am. 

1076
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,520
This is going to be good fun. 
I am headed over to Malaysia in 

1077
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,720
November and I'm doing the, 
there's a new by UTMB Malaysia 

1078
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,040
race, which don't ask me about 
my thoughts on UTMB, but I'm 

1079
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,280
going and I'm running the 50K 
and I'm going to absolutely die 

1080
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,000
in that heat. 
But it's going to be a fun 

1081
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,840
experience. 
So there you go, racing abroad 

1082
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:56,000
more Rod from the. 
UK, have you got any running 

1083
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:02,200
idols that you would want to it 
can be alive or not that you 

1084
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:08,720
would want to go for a run with?
I really read, and I think 

1085
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,320
people will notice this just 
from from Highlander. 

1086
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,720
Karen Nipple's a huge role model
of mine in as a human and as a 

1087
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,160
runner, and I obviously I got to
run with her at Backyard a 

1088
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,960
couple of years ago. 
So yeah, she's one of those 

1089
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,120
people who I would love to run 
with her any day. 

1090
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,680
I think. 
I think Courtney Dewalter would 

1091
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,319
be just such good fun to run 
with, but she seems like a riot 

1092
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,120
kick my ass because she's a 
legend. 

1093
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,840
But she seems like she'd just be
fun on the trails, just like 

1094
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,399
have a great time. 
But yeah, there's just like a 

1095
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,520
lot of like local people who I'm
like, I think they're great. 

1096
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,600
So when I lived in Northern 
Ireland, I don't know if you 

1097
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,359
know, Ricky Win. 
He's a really, he's an 

1098
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,520
incredible Irish runner. 
She looked him up. 

1099
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,080
He's great. 
Went running in the mornings 

1100
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,800
with him and I was like 
fangirling the whole time. 

1101
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,479
I was like, Oh my gosh, he like,
you know, he was, he was up and 

1102
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,439
down the Moore Mountains like, 
like nothing. 

1103
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,439
And I was like, Oh my gosh. 
So, yeah, just like a lot of 

1104
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:18,680
local kind of people, but you 
know, they'll ditch me in 2 

1105
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,319
seconds. 
But like, even like, like you, 

1106
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,960
like I love to run with you do, 
you know, I mean like you're 

1107
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,160
amazing to me and like, yeah. 
So I just, I think it's the 

1108
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,000
people that are like tangible in
my world to like they live a 

1109
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,160
couple hours away or, you know, 
I can run into them on the 

1110
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,680
trails and stuff like that. 
Who I think I want to run with 

1111
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,279
them because I can learn the 
most from them because they 

1112
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,760
understand my world. 
They understand the world that I

1113
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,640
run in and yeah, if that makes 
any sense. 

1114
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,120
Yeah, no, it's a valid answer to
me. 

1115
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:58,920
You mentioned Karen there. 
Worth reiterating what your your

1116
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:04,280
aim was for 35. 
Yeah, right. 

1117
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,760
So you were like, you were like,
right, you need to run, you need

1118
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,480
to run 32. 
And I was like, right, OK. 

1119
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:15,280
And I I texted Taz on that loop,
I think it was the thirty 30th 

1120
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,920
or 31st loop. 
And I was actually really 

1121
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,720
annoyed at you because you were 
like, you know, Swiss records 32

1122
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,760
And I was like, I don't think it
is 32. 

1123
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,120
And so I was texting cast and I 
was like, is it 32? 

1124
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,440
Can you please look this up? 
I don't know. 

1125
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,400
She must have spoken to you and 
and anyway, and and she was 

1126
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,760
like, oh, well, you should 
probably just run 32 just just 

1127
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,600
just in case, just to, you know,
keep it solid. 

1128
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,160
And I was like, right, OK, 
whatever, Kaz is telling me to 

1129
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,760
run that, I'll run that. 
And I was in a really shit mood 

1130
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,280
at this time and like, you know,
shit mood, but also still happy 

1131
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,080
as it normally goes with me. 
And then I roll back around end 

1132
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,760
of 32 and you kind of look at me
and you go has his record is 35.

1133
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,640
I wanted to punch you in the 
face quite genuinely. 

1134
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,120
I was just like this man. 
I hate him because I was like, 

1135
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,520
you've got something on me here.
You're just, you've got 

1136
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,800
something pushing my buttons in 
the right way. 

1137
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,480
That is it. 
You know, I'm not trying to go, 

1138
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:13,280
yeah, whatever. 
I don't care. 

1139
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,000
I'm going to go, right. 
Well, he knows what to say for 

1140
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,200
some reason. 
He knows what to say to get me 

1141
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,160
to be like, oh, fine, whatever. 
So, so when I did 32, I was 

1142
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,760
like, I have to be 35. 
And I, I was walking up the hill

1143
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,640
with Thomas and obviously I, I 
was, I made this deal with him 

1144
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,200
and I was going to stand by it 
because that the type person I 

1145
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,600
am. 
And, and I looked at him and I 

1146
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:39,080
went, Mike is making me run 35. 
And he just looked at me like, 

1147
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,200
you don't have to do everything 
Mike says. 

1148
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,480
And I was like, no, I have to 
run 35. 

1149
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,760
And then I ran 35. 
And then I was like, oh, wait, 

1150
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:56,200
35 is not 150 miles. 
So I guess I got to run 36. 

1151
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:02,440
And that 36, I went on the 35th.
And you're like, just don't tell

1152
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:06,720
yourself it's over yet. 
No, I went off the 34th or 

1153
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:07,640
something. 
You said that to me. 

1154
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,840
And then I came in the 35 and I 
had already decided I was 

1155
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,040
running 36. 
But yeah, it was, it was a lot 

1156
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,680
of back and forth that I felt 
like I was you guys playing mind

1157
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:19,880
games with me and like texting 
one another being like, how can 

1158
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,280
we trick her into, you know, 
running? 

1159
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,920
Like what are they all about? 
Like it was funny. 

1160
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,280
You came in and you were trying 
to say one thing to me. 

1161
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,120
It's like, it's all right. 
I've already talked to Karen, so

1162
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,000
we knew what we had to say to 
you. 

1163
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,360
Yeah, yeah. 
And you were like, you were 

1164
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:38,600
like, it doesn't matter what you
say. 

1165
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,000
Whatever happens, we know what's
being said. 

1166
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,040
Like we communicate like with 
one. 

1167
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,120
Another I know that you had fed 
back to Karen that oh, Mike's, 

1168
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,400
Mike said this. 
Mike said that. 

1169
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,520
It's like, yeah, I know. 
Karen told me it. 

1170
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,200
Was really funny. 
It was like me in the middle and

1171
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,960
I was like, so I was tired 
obviously, and I was like, I 

1172
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,400
feel like I'm getting played 
here. 

1173
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,400
Oh, you were. 
It worked out well for 

1174
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,080
everybody, so it. 
Worked out well. 

1175
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:13,280
And if, you know, if I, if I 
hadn't, you know, felt the way I

1176
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,400
felt about those 36 yards, and 
if things have been different, 

1177
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,520
then, you know, we might have 
cracked on, to be honest with 

1178
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,600
you. 
I mean, you saw the way Thomas 

1179
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:23,800
was. 
You saw the way I was. 

1180
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,280
We were not in bad shape. 
No, I I think you were both more

1181
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,320
than capable of doing a lot more
than what you did. 

1182
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,560
Yeah, yeah. 
Which is good because then see 

1183
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,080
what we'll see what happens in 
October, which is the exciting 

1184
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:43,600
part. 
Yes, it is virtually in person 

1185
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,960
and yeah, all of that. 
So is that I was going to say 

1186
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,080
what's next, but is it, is it 
October? 

1187
01:13:52,880 --> 01:14:00,280
No no, I have an issue where I 
like to run too much so I've got

1188
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,040
Ring of Fire end of August. 
I've been wanting to run it for 

1189
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,840
years and it finally sorted 
itself out. 

1190
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,440
Do you know Ring of Fire? 
Yeah, I know. 

1191
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:13,640
Yeah. 
Yes, sorry. 

1192
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:21,120
Yes, yes, apologize for the show
so far and we're almost at the 

1193
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:26,120
end, but there's a technical 
problem somewhere that we've 

1194
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,480
struggled through. 
Yeah, we're making, we're 

1195
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:32,960
making, we're making it work. 
Yes, I've got Bring a Fire end 

1196
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:37,560
of August, which will be good 
fun and probably dot some 

1197
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,680
shorter races in here and there 
because that's what I like to do

1198
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,080
kind of last minute stuff just 
for the fun of it. 

1199
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,600
And then, yeah, it'll mainly be 
October. 

1200
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:53,240
That will be kind of the focus. 
Backyards are really mentally 

1201
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:57,880
draining as you know. 
So I kind of need to like reset 

1202
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,640
mentally because if you go into 
your backyard again, you'll know

1203
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,680
and you're not mentally there. 
It's, it's, it's a shit show. 

1204
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,200
It can be horrible. 
But yeah, so ring a fire, couple

1205
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:11,640
couple shorter stuff here and 
there. 

1206
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:17,520
But after Ring a Fire, it'll be 
all on for for October, really. 

1207
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Yeah, What you mentioned there, 
I heard something the other day 

1208
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:32,360
about backyard fatigue. 
You think that's a thing for you

1209
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:39,320
For in general, I, I at the 
moment I can't see me needing to

1210
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,880
take a time out, but how do you 
feel about that? 

1211
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:48,600
I think, I think so, but that 
might just be me because I the 

1212
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,360
way I am as a person and the way
I live my life and that's just 

1213
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,160
how I am. 
I put a lot of emotion into the 

1214
01:15:55,160 --> 01:16:00,200
things that I do. 
So I will have, I give like a 

1215
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,360
backyard. 
It just takes so much from me 

1216
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,560
emotionally and mentally, 
obviously physically, but so I 

1217
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,920
find I find it really, really, 
really draining. 

1218
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,400
And so for example, even cow 
shed. 

1219
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,680
So I raised the backyard in 
January down in South Wales, 

1220
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:23,040
pouring rain. 
Like, you know, the whole time I

1221
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,040
was in full waterproof kit the 
whole time and I really had the 

1222
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,760
pool a lot for myself to kind of
keep going in that because just 

1223
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,960
because of the weather mainly. 
And when Cowshed was meant to 

1224
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,080
roll around, I I was ready for 
it, but I felt a bit like, oof, 

1225
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,280
I can't completely switch on 
mentally for it. 

1226
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,440
So yeah, I definitely feel like 
it's it's a thing for me. 

1227
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:44,680
So I do have to take the time to
kind of reset and recharge for 

1228
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,160
October if it's going to, if 
it's going to go well. 

1229
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,760
OK. 
Well, I think we're going to 

1230
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,320
wrap it up there and all I can 
say is good luck. 

1231
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:02,680
I'll be racing you in October. 
Thank you. 

1232
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:08,680
Thank you very much for tonight 
and thanks everybody for 

1233
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,040
listening. 
And goodbye, Rebecca.