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Hi, this time I'm joined by my 
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running Annette, and I'll start 
off by getting Annette to give a

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brief introduction to herself 
her running her support. 

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So I yeah, my name's Annette, I 
am his wife. 

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I am doing a PhD at the moment. 
I in the past I have done some 

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running, I've done an ultra 
marathon or two. 

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I done a few kind of smaller 10K
races and things. 

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I suppose I probably spent more 
time doing support like 

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recently. 
I haven't really done much over 

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the years. 
It's probably. 

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The question that I get asked 
whenever we're talking about you

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two other runners is does my 
wife run? 

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Yeah. 
And that's the question I ask 

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when I talk about like other 
people as well. 

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Do you run? 
Yeah, not really, no. 

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The answer that I gave is she 
has run and she would. 

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She'd be the first person to 
understate what she's done. 

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She's done D33, The Dirty 30, 
2/3 of the liquid 50, and. 

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Start liquid. 
I think the reasons you stopped 

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weren't because it was too 
difficult, it was because we 

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were bored rather than nothing 
else. 

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Yeah, I think it was also 
because it was, I mean it was 

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like 4:00 in the morning and 
there was nobody, there wasn't 

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really anyone else about. 
So it was just me. 

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I think if there was someone I 
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be more likely to do it. 
And also the navigation was a 

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little bit kind of tricky and I 
kind of got to play now. 

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Yeah, go bored. 
That's it now. 

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But yeah, I mean, when I've done
them, I like enjoy doing them. 

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I just tend to like if I have to
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something, I just, I get bored 
more than anything. 

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Running was one of the few 
things I enjoy doing as a social

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activity, which is kind of 
opposite to everything else. 

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I would have said that you you 
like running races, you just 

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don't like training for them. 
Would that be right? 

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Yeah, I think so. 
I think I enjoy the atmosphere 

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of races and I guess pushing 
myself and seeing like other 

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people doing well. 
But yeah, the training, you 

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know, going, the idea of going 
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doesn't really, which are 
strange things to say because 

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I'm quite happily being by 
myself and entertaining myself. 

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But when it comes to running, I 
don't know, I just get bored. 

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It's it's like the opposite to 
anything else I do. 

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In the main thing that I see you
doing is support crew for myself

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and you've done for others. 
Tell us a bit about that. 

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Yeah, I think the hardest bit 
for being with support crew is 

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the lack of sweep, OK? 
It's all through the night. 

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And I think you have to the fact
that, yeah, I just want to, you 

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know, I get really tetchy when I
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hours sleep. 
But somehow you have to meet 

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this person in the other way at 
3:00 in the morning and pretend 

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everything is absolutely fine. 
When, you know, we spent the 

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last hour trying to find this 
random car park in the middle of

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nowhere and your GPS doesn't 
work because there's no 

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satellite or anything. 
And you have to turn up and say,

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hey, how are you? 
Keep going, just curl up and go 

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to sleep and not be there. 
But I think you kind of to 

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underestimate a little bit how 
like valuable the support is, 

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you know that kind of ability to
pretend that it's OK to you know

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to the person you're trying to 
support. 

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And I think the other part of 
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like organized and quite you 
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So I think as long as you have a
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over every year Sporting has has
some kind of plan I think that 

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kind of really. 
Helps. 

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The thing that I always get told
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of sleep, because that's the 
obvious thing, it's the lack of 

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facilities like toilets. 
Yes, yes, that just the the like

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the actually toilets is lately 
is probably the biggest the 

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biggest issue that I have. 
You know you're you're turning 

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up in a field where normally 
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So you could like you know go 
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stop. 
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like 20 other cars and vans who 
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in each one and suddenly you're 
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the loo and or that they'll have
loos but they're only for 

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runners which is another thing. 
So sometimes you just have to be

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a bit sticky and diving. 
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I guess that's was something for
the race directors out there. 

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Look after the support crew, not
just the runners, because the 

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runner need to look after the 
support crew as well, because 

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they're doing their bit for the 
runners. 

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Yeah, I think sometimes it's 
yeah, I mean you have some races

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in this, there's like 4 port or 
lose for runners and there's 

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nothing for the support crew, 
which is fine if you can 

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disappear off for you know, an 
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But sometimes we have a small 
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It's easier said than done. 
And trying to find the toilet 

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and making sure you're back in 
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Yeah, it's like a small thing. 
But it's actually, yeah, that's 

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that's something else that's 
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years gone by you've supported 
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You've been in in the middle of 
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on your own. 
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now is we've got a four year old
that needs to be in the van that

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can't be, can't be moved because
she's asleep. 

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But the van has to move to 10 
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checkpoint. 
Yeah, I don't think we've really

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done it overnight. 
Once that she's been born, have 

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we? 
No, For that reason, really. 

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Logistics wise, we haven't worn 
that one out yet. 

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Out of the running that you have
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support, what's the what do you 
feel that's the biggest 

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achievement that you've done? 
The achievement, I don't think I

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could put my finger on one 
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every race. 
But I think even short races, 

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yeah, short races as well, long 
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You kind of get to a point maybe
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when you're just, you kind of go
beyond the point of personal. 

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I mean people can't like, hate 
them all, but it's it's that 

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point where you make the 
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almost like a conscious decision
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I'm just going to keep going. 
I think like every every race or

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piece of training you do and I 
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biggest achievement is just 
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push through that personal 
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whether it's mental or physical 
or you just have to keep going. 

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So I think in that sense the 
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rather than like I I mean you 
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first what was the first one 
D33D33 then finishing that was 

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the achievement. 
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was it was more of the you just 
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of thought that you could do and
that's. 

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Appreciating yourself, be on 
your point. 

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You knew you were capable. 
Yeah, I think so. 

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And I think you do that every, 
every time you train or you go 

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out, you know, it's like your 
achievement is, well, I didn't 

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get bored today. 
So, you know, achievement was I 

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went out and got but for 
running, I think that's as big a

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feeling of achievement for me as
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it and saying oh, I did this or 
I did that. 

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Mixing that with what I asked 
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side of things, what's the the 
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achievement support crew wise 
they've done? 

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I I mean the biggest ones are 
for for me are for when you pick

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a run somewhere I've never been 
before. 

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There's lots of weird places 
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So like some of the the ones 
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know the roads tend to be a lot 
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So there was 1 checkpoint that 
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like the biking way or something
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Yeah, coast to coast in 
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thinking about? 
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one, because that was just 
driving. 

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That was a big achievement. 
But yeah, there was one 

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particular checkpoint that was 
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it was. 
Well, that goes to most. 

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But yeah, it was kind of like 
this really steep Rd. that was 

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like, you know, don't go this 
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But I kind of had to go my way 
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other way to go. 
And then, yeah, there are no 

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GPS. 
So I just kind of had to, you 

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know, no mobile signal or 
anything. 

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Yeah, I had. 
I had to find this checkpoint 

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where, you know, to meet you 
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eventually. 
I find it just fine when I was 

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my potluck more than anything. 
But yeah, I think the, the 

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biggest, the biggest achievement
is being able to do that. 

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And yeah, just pretend. 
Yeah, everything's fine. 

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It's fine. 
I think anytime you've been 

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supporting me, you've been there
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apart from once. 
Yeah, once. 

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I can't remember what happened 
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I think I just messed up times 
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like supposed to be here but 
now. 

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But then I realized that you'd 
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Which race are you thinking 
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I came out of the West Island 
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The The first time that I did 
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with Vicki and Rona and you'd 
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Glencoe. 
That was oh that was the one I 

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was very that was very very 
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It was Bridge of Orky I I kind 
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you wanted to brush your teeth 
or something. 

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I think I misjudged like how 
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Yeah. 
There was the cafe one as well. 

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Yeah. 
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of meet you, but I think we got 
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are you? 
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having some food. 
Yeah. 

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For for that one, I I didn't use
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guys for not being there. 
I told somebody else's support 

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crew to ask you to meet me at 
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Staircase 3 or 4 miles later, 
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So it was all good in the end. 
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that, yeah, I mean, I had to do 
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We kind of felt guilty anyway. 
So you getting grumpy I was 

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would have just kind of I don't 
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Yeah, made it worse use your 
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worse. 
OK so maybe there's two I've 

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missed you. 
But actually I'm quite impressed

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that we've managed to keep up 
the like some of the ones, the 

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longer ones downside, especially
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coast to coast and I was driving
through Newcastle and I was just

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like just trying to get to this 
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traffic going everywhere, just 
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on the map and hoping. 
Moving on while. 

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Running is less stressful than 
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Tell us, have you faced any 
injuries while you were running?

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Yeah, so one. 
The Dirty, dirty. 

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I mean, I I've never really had 
a proper injury. 

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But one mistake I didn't. 
I didn't realize it'll happen. 

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Yeah, when I was doing the 3030,
my feet were really sore, like 

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20 miles in. 
And then I realized after the 

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race I had forgotten to put the 
the insoles in my shoe. 

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Yeah, not not the fancy ones 
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just the standard insoles. 
Yes, about. 

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My feet were a bit bit sore, but
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haven't. 
How you have been running, or 

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probably more relevant, June 
support? 

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What kind of things do you have 
to eat? 

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I think that's two different 
things. 

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When I'm supporting I just eat. 
I just try not to eat too much 

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of what? 
You were supposed. 

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To be eating and eat too much. 
When I used to run like there 

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was a few things I went through 
phases of really liking. 

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So So like cheesy, the cheesy 
twists that you get from the you

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know, the baked department, that
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things. 
Things that you shouldn't, 

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probably, although it may be OK 
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And actually one of the few 
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I'm running, which I absolutely 
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time, is like busy drink. 
Ah, I didn't drink them while 

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I'm running, but any other time 
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disgusting. 
And then we will touch them. 

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I. 
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around Lochmik and the race 
about 7 miles and six miles into

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it. 
You've got to run into the water

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to the end of the boat here and 
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Or if you don't drink alcohol, 
you've got to drink, busy drink.

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And can you remember what you 
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That was like the worst bit. 
I was like, I can't do this race

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because I don't want to have the
fizzy drink. 

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I was like, I will refuse to 
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think the alternative was you 
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go and wade out into Locknick or
something. 

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Well, you had to do that and 
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drink, or I wish I did. 
Oh, exactly. 

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OK. 
I remember just like I I don't 

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want to do that. 
But yeah, I I think I eventually

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I was like, right, OK, I've got 
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You know when you get to the 
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that, you get to the point in 
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I'm going to do this, you know, 
I can't give up now. 

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So I yeah, so I got this drink 
of dragon. 

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I was like, was it like, the 
best thing ever? 

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I think you got to the end and 
said something like this is the 

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devil's juice. 
It made me go or something. 

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Like that, Yeah. 
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So I'm trying to like, yeah, 
maybe I did get a burst of, I'd 

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like drunk bad coffee in it. 
I was like, oh, that was 

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actually like, I got a really 
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But that one is because I kind 
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afterwards. 
While you're running, or again 

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supporting in the middle of 
nowhere, do you listen to music?

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Podcasts. 
Nothing at all. 

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I guess going back, I used to 
listen to music. 

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I tend to listen to music rather
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I went through a phase of trying
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But I just find them so slow and
I got so frustrated with, you 

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know, why can't you? 
Kind of. 

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Maybe it just wasn't an 
interesting book. 

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I kind of find talking a little 
bit too slow. 

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I don't know, like music's 
probably more what I'd listen 

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to. 
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supporting, I tend to do more 
reading and writing and things 

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like that. 
What about when you're driving 

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between places? 
You're also not reading and 

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driving there. 
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Yeah, it's probably on Music on.
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noise. 
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driving, it needs to be 
something. 

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I can't think about what I'm 
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So I'm listening to like a 
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I tend to want to think about it
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whatever. 
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something kind of music or radio
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of here in one ear at the other,
but white noise. 

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When you do class yourself as a 
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would you want to cover your 
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Ideal race? 
Distance or just a general sort 

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of run? 
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takes, I guess takes a day. 
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a little bit too intense, I 
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kind of enjoy them. 
It's it's a fitness exercise, 

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you know, you're trying to do a 
time but longer ones you can 

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kind of enjoy the scenery a bit 
more. 

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You know you can do a bit of 
walking, you can take picture 

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and that's kind of it's it's 
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you know, it's a day out sort of
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Yeah. 
You just enjoy the fresh air and

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the exercise and the achievement
rather than the I must get the 

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best time or push myself until I
can't breathe anymore. 

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You've given your answer to that
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The next question, I think I'd 
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Treadmill running, yes. 
Or. 

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No. 
Well, yeah, Again, again, that's

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like, let's have this idea, you 
know, you kind of walk like 

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watching Netflix or listening to
something that I think you can 

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maybe try doing treadmill and 
let's do podcasts because the 

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treadmill bits really boring, 
but the podcast's interesting. 

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So but, but yeah, I'd I'd rather
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fresh air to be honest. 
Thinking about either supporting

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or racing, do you get nervous? 
I think. 

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With the going back to the kind 
of finding checkpoints in random

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places in the middle of nowhere,
or in busy places, I think that 

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makes me nervous. 
I guess I get a little bit 

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nervous because I might miss 
you. 

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But then I'm also nervous 
because I have to try. 

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So do I get nervous before an 
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I don't think so, because at 
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anything about what's going to 
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Dumb. 
You've either done what you need

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to do or you haven't done what 
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So I don't. 
I think it's just, I think, I 

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think it's like excitement, like
even if it was something that 

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you couldn't even comprehend 
finishing, it's still, you know 

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anything that you do is an 
achievement if you're there 

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putting 1 foot in front of the 
other. 

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So never to do it. 
I don't think so. 

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I think I'm probably excited or 
or why? 

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Why am I here? 
What am I doing rather than 

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nervous? 
Thinking about you're saying 

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that I've done racial side in 
England, you've done fierce 

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places in Scotland. 
Is there anywhere in the world 

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that you would want to 
unnecessarily race but just go 

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to run or go to Explorer? 
Yeah, I think explore is word. 

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So it's just like where are we 
going on holiday this year? 

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Where would you like to go 
explore? 

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I think so. 
I kind of like I kind of think 

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about in terms of mountainous 
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exploring flat places because 
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So in that sense I think some of
the kind of the longer trails in

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America that really would be 
really nice. 

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And then some of the ones one 
they're kind of like the old 

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like religious routes and stuff 
that people would take 

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pilgrimage type routes. 
So I think kind of those would 

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be really interesting to do 
partially because they're set up

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with hostels and things along 
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But then at the same time, I 
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exploring then going somewhere 
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the fuels of Norway. 
Yeah, I think doing the The West

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Island Way with one of your 
friends that you promised you 

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were going to do six or seven 
years ago. 

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Yeah, we still haven't done 
that. 

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Yeah, I think it's taking a nice
relaxed walk with a friend along

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with that way. 
Right. 

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It's a bit of a a drink day 
outside. 

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We're sitting in front of the 
fire is absolutely roasting 

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here. 
So I think we'll call it a wrap 

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there. 
So thank you, Annette. 

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Thank you. 
And we'll see you next time.