1 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:24,680 Hello and welcome back to run to run a few changes happening. 2 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Nikki don't know if you'll be able to see from her video at 3 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,560 the moment, but she has joined us. 4 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,680 I've had a lot of internal monologue with myself and no, 5 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,520 it's the it's the right thing to do. 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,640 It makes things easier for me because Nikki likes to talk to 7 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,560 people and I can get her to go and ask guests on. 8 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,360 That's fine. It's work smarter, not harder. 9 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Get her to do the hard job. But also I'm I'm aware that 10 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,360 there was a gender imbalance in the podcast. 11 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,519 So we're now 5050. None of this 100% male. 12 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:12,480 So it's a gender balance. So today I'm in the minority or 13 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,760 joined by a female guest, but I'm not in the minority for long 14 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,480 because I'll say that there's two people in this call of one 15 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,360 gossipy backyard ultra and the guests is one of them. 16 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:32,160 So the guest today is a happy diet on Instagram. 17 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,160 All right, Kaylee Webster, who's just fresh back from winning 18 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,520 gossipy backyard ultra. Welcome, Kaylee. 19 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,040 Hello, thank you for having me. No problem at all and. 20 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,240 Never thought I'd be in the same calibre as Mike Ruffin. 21 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:56,400 Oh I've I've got my hoodie here so hang on my gossipy backyard. 22 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Oh, it's blurring it out, so Oh, well, never mind. 23 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:07,040 I tried. Yeah, that was my Winners hoodie 24 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,479 from two years ago. So Kayleigh, he'll have one of 25 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:14,560 them coming her way, I think. If it's on route is yes. 26 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:21,080 So, but it's customized, it will my MY1 says how many yards it 27 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,800 did on the back of it. So they can't print it in 28 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,800 advance because they you, you just don't know. 29 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,440 That's the trouble. And great thing about backyard 30 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,960 offers. You just never know how much 31 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,840 your yard is running. So anyway, back to Kaylee. 32 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Can you tell us how you got into running? 33 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,520 Yeah. And it's actually probably well 34 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,360 timed because it's about four years to the week I believe that 35 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,560 I started the Couch to 5K. So prior to that I did 36 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,240 absolutely nothing exercise wise, sports wise. 37 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,240 I was not that way inclined at school. 38 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,360 I would avoid it if possible at all costs, even forging notes 39 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,320 from my parents, the teachers to not do PE. 40 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,640 But yes, I was one of those lockdown runners where just 41 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:08,000 enough was enough. I just wasn't happy with the 42 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,680 site and myself and what I was becoming. 43 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,680 So I sort of secretly started the couch to 5K. 44 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Only my partner at the time knew I was doing it. 45 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,480 I was just again, afraid that if I didn't finish it, I didn't 46 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,360 want to let anyone down. But it turned out I was very, 47 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,760 very disciplined with that. I loved that fact of it was laid 48 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,320 out exactly what you needed to do. 49 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,800 And even better was my final 5K of the plan fell on Christmas 50 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,000 Day. And it felt amazing to get 51 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,240 myself up out of that bed and before anything happened on 52 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,760 Christmas Day, get my 5K done. And so yeah, that that's how it 53 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,240 all started. And the running bug just grew 54 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,600 from there. So you you said you did it in in 55 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,480 COVID times. Did the end of COVID, did that 56 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,440 make a difference to you? Did you suddenly go all right, 57 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,560 I'm going to join a club, I'm going to do socialise in 58 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,120 running. Not at all actually. 59 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,680 I've still, well, I've only just recently joined the club. 60 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,240 I was very, very inexperienced with what running entailed. 61 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,880 So much so that I didn't even know park run, 5K races, 10K 62 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,399 races were a thing. So I just sort of, once I 63 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:23,160 finished my plan, I just sort of kept on, kept up doing three 64 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:28,120 runs a week. And it wasn't until the, I think 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,160 it was me of 2021 that I decided let's let's give myself a target 66 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,960 of doing a half marathon, which was the Scottish half in 67 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,080 September. So that, yeah, I didn't really 68 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,240 sort of socialise with running. It was just myself. 69 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,280 I didn't, didn't know any other runners. 70 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,880 I just was very, very unsocial that way. 71 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,040 So COVID, yeah, probably didn't have any impact whatsoever. 72 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,000 OK. And do you want to mention what 73 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,480 running and club you're with now? 74 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,360 So I've just started joined RTC Warriors. 75 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,000 It's just a social local run club based in Falkirk. 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,640 So they're they're not scary and intimidating as, as some seem to 77 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,280 be, even though they all claim that they're not. 78 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,280 And I do appreciate that. But it it's very, very 79 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:16,520 inclusive. And although they have sessions 80 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,680 on it's, you feel like you can just rock up and do do your own 81 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,600 thing. And I met a couple of ladies at 82 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,920 a run. It was a press play and run long 83 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,840 run a few months ago and we just sort of clicked. 84 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,640 So they just forced me to come down and I'm glad I did. 85 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,880 So yeah, it's a very sociable bunch. 86 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,960 It's good fun. And there's a Where are you 87 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,160 based in Falkirk? No, I, I'm Bathgate, but it's, 88 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,720 yeah, it's 1520 minutes away. I was tempted to join the, I 89 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,600 know a few folk in Lothian Run Club and then there's obviously 90 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,920 Linlithgow Athletics Club. So I do know quite a few folk 91 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,520 spread about, but like I say, it's just the the fear of the 92 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 the scary sessions that they do. And I know I'll be absolutely 93 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,920 fine at doing it, but I'm I'm quite sort of stubborn in just 94 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,920 doing my own thing. And is that one day a week that 95 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,520 you go to the club? I try I try at least once a 96 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,720 week. They do it Tuesdays and 97 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,840 Thursdays and Thursdays are normally a trail run as well 98 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,400 which is great. So but if if I can make it on 99 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,960 the Tuesdays I will. It just depends on on work and 100 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,760 other commitments. So I've also, and it's a bit 101 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,440 unrelated, but I have just started ski lessons. 102 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,640 This will be my my third week on doing ski lessons. 103 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,200 So I'm a bit trying to do a bit of random cross training. 104 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,400 Oh fantastic. I I've thought about skiing in 105 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,440 the past or snowboarding, but I'm always too afraid this sort 106 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,280 of lateral movements would injure me, so I've avoided it. 107 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,640 That that's what has given me the fear. 108 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,040 But we're going ski holiday over Christmas, so I thought I'd 109 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,800 better get or get some lessons under my belt. 110 00:06:58,280 --> 00:07:01,920 Yeah, but you do hear that there are quite a few of the American 111 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,880 ultra runners that do in the offseason. 112 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,920 That's that's what they do, take up skiing, I suppose, typically 113 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,120 cross country skiing, which sounds more appealing. 114 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,240 Yeah, I wouldn't mind getting stuck into that. 115 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Yeah, Killian does schemo, and if it's good enough for him, 116 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,920 it's good enough for us, yeah. Absolutely. 117 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,880 So you're saying your first race, was that the Glasgow half 118 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,240 you were saying? The Scottish half, yeah. 119 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,960 So that was one that finishes at Musselburgh, and that's 120 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,840 September, yeah. And how did you find going into 121 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,120 that? Were you just going in it just 122 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,080 to finish or did you have a time in mind or? 123 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,720 Yeah, it was just to finish, I can't remember off the top of my 124 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,240 head. I think it was, it was 2 hours, 125 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,600 15 minutes probably that I did it in. 126 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,640 I think my training wasn't too bad, but I did. 127 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,000 I did end up with like hip pain and knee pain during the 128 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,440 training, which I think is just down to to poor posture, bad 129 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,560 shoe choice and all those other things that you do. 130 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,880 And I'm still drinking quite heavily and but so I did. 131 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,520 I probably enjoyed about 80% of that, that half marathon. 132 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,760 But at the end I was adamant that I would never do one again. 133 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,480 And. Between then and now, the 134 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,400 current day, do you look back now and laugh because I know I 135 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,760 do this myself? Do you look back and think, Oh 136 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,800 my God, how did I get around that with hardly any fueling or 137 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,400 anything? Yeah, I think I even like I'd 138 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,840 never tried a gel before. This is the only gel that I've 139 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,640 ever had in my life was halfway through that that half marathon. 140 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,360 I don't know what I was thinking. 141 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,679 Yeah. Oh, dear. 142 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,480 That's shocking. Never try anything new on race 143 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,760 day apart from when you do. Yeah. 144 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,440 So you've also got a quite a short running history because, 145 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,400 well, with COVID you couldn't do races. 146 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:58,120 You've just done Gosby is is there any, any standout races 147 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,000 that you would think that you can think of? 148 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,600 Yeah, I think definitely, I have to say my first marathon that 149 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,080 was Loch Ness in October 22, that everything about that 150 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,360 experience was amazing. So during that training, that's 151 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,000 when I decided to to go plant based and I gave up alcohol as 152 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,400 well for the duration, thinking it's a four month block. 153 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,520 I can do this. I can cut out alcohol just for 154 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,520 four months, that's fine. And it genuinely transformed me. 155 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,800 So I thoroughly enjoyed the training block. 156 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,120 I, I really, I just, I think it was just a Hal Higdon online, 157 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,160 just set distances. It was nothing to do with speed 158 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,000 work. So I quite like to just go out 159 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,720 and, and just basically get the distance and tick. 160 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,120 And again, the actual training was probably just as memorable 161 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,640 as the race itself. Like reaching the 17 mile run 162 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,200 for some reason really made me very emotional. 163 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,720 It was just quite surreal when you start getting those numbers. 164 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,800 So it's every week you're hitting a new, a new distance 165 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,240 and that's something I suppose you just can't ever get back 166 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,520 again. So but yeah, the, the race 167 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,520 itself was amazing. I had my sister and my friend 168 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,240 came up and, and they were there at the finish line. 169 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,440 And my, my only ambition for that, I knew it was it was a net 170 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,920 downhill and it starts pretty much at downhill. 171 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,240 So I was very adamant of and don't get carried away. 172 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,840 That's the main lesson that anyone that's ever run once will 173 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,640 tell you. So I was just sitting in my way 174 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,840 of just tootling along nice and nice and steady and everyone 175 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,800 flying past me. But my only aim was just to run 176 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,320 the whole thing and I was very chuffed that I did. 177 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:36,400 Even that big chunky hill doors. Yeah, brutal. 178 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:38,920 But it did. It felt quite good to just have 179 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,720 that little steady shuffle up. And it was very emotional again 180 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,640 coming into Inverness. But for that race I dedicated 181 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,760 the last 6 miles. I had a different person I 182 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,640 dedicated each mile to, which was really, really special. 183 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,720 But I got quite emotional just coming into Inverness, having 184 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,240 the the police sort of cordon off the traffic at the 185 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,960 roundabout and you just start to realise all this is for you. 186 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,120 It was really quite overwhelming. 187 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,520 But yeah, that was that was someday. 188 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,240 Have you done any other marathons? 189 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,080 Yes, so it didn't take me long to finish that put that to bed 190 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,240 and then sign up to a 50K ultra. So as part of that training I 191 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,640 ended up doing 2 marathons, which is quite mad. 192 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,760 So I did Rome Marathon last year in March and then Manchester in 193 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,120 the April and Rome was fantastic. 194 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,560 That again was what a place and that I think if I was to do any 195 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,840 marathons again, so I've not oh I have I've done Lochranic just 196 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,000 recently, but we'll come back to that. 197 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,920 But if I was to do another marathon, I I typically want to 198 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 do it as part of travel and see new places because it's a great 199 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,920 way to, to get around and sightsee. 200 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:48,960 Yeah. Except I was a bit disappointed 201 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,160 with Manchester to be honest. I thought it was going to be 202 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:54,680 quite a big a biggie. Everyone raves about it and I 203 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:58,440 did think it was a bit a bit boring other than the banter. 204 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,520 The banter was great. I had a couple of friends. 205 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,520 We ran the sort of first half together. 206 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,680 But other than that I would yeah, wouldn't recommend. 207 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,680 Yeah, I've, I've done Loch Ness three times and I would agree 208 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:15,640 with you is it's almost like the 1st 20 miles or so. 209 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,240 There's nothing. Well, there is, there's lots of 210 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,200 beautiful scenery, but there's no body. 211 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,400 And apart from when you go through little villages and 212 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,760 everybody's out, the whole place is packed. 213 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,040 And then when you get into Inverness, the whole place is 214 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,880 packed. So it's not like quite hard 215 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,920 about big city marathons where everybody's out of the whole 216 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,400 time and you're just sort of feeling claustrophobic. 217 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,720 This is it makes it more special, in my opinion anyway. 218 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,240 Yeah, definitely. And Loch Ness, That's Rd., isn't 219 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,840 it? It is, yeah, all Rd. 220 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,400 I, I swore that I would never go back and do roads again, but 221 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,480 sitting listening to the two of you, you're actually both 222 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,240 inspiring them planting ideas again. 223 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,920 So. Yeah, there's there's a time and 224 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:08,800 a place. So when you done the Roman 225 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,600 Manchester Marathon, that was around about the time that I 226 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,360 found you through Instagram, Kayleigh, and that was your 227 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,440 tagline was at that point the happy diet. 228 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,000 Can you tell us a bit about that and then what led on with? 229 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,440 That yeah. So it all stems from the, as 230 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,120 soon as I went plant based, I realized all my food was looking 231 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,840 quite colourful and attractive. And I typically that was all I 232 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,720 ever did on Instagram was just look at other people's food and 233 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,040 find recipes. And I just thought, well, maybe 234 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,840 I could just create a little food page myself and just share, 235 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,280 share what it's all about. And that's just how it came 236 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,600 about. It made me feel good. 237 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,040 So I thought it's, it makes me happy. 238 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,160 So it's it's a food based thing. I know people are always looking 239 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,520 for a new diet. So that that's where the tagline 240 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,640 came from. And then from that it just sort 241 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,720 of, I just started to share a little snippets of my running 242 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,880 through the stories rather than actually through the the posts. 243 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,920 But that tended to get quite a lot of traction. 244 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,840 People are really quite interested. 245 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,640 So it's sort of stemmed from just food to then having that 246 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,360 balance of of running as well as sort of plant based food. 247 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,160 And then, yeah, the happy diet became what I was known. 248 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 It was people stopping me being like, oh, you're the happy diet. 249 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:32,440 Yeah, that's me. And you definitely are, because 250 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,120 that led on to T-shirts, hoodies, the book. 251 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,320 The book was amazing. Is that when was that last year 252 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,320 that was released? No. 253 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,440 Was that a year ago? Yeah. 254 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,240 Yeah, it has been a year. Yep. 255 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,640 And again, that just came. I was always quite determined to 256 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,680 do a website and again, just because I love food recipes and 257 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,520 myself. So I was like just that was a 258 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,520 little side project that I did. But at the same time of doing 259 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,240 that, I was like, well, why can't I just start putting this 260 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,920 all together into a little cookbook as well? 261 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,480 And, and that's just what I did, found a local publisher and 262 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 pulled it all together and it all went live And, and it's been 263 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,200 amazing. And just more so the feedback 264 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,960 from how it's made people feel when they've been trying the 265 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,440 recipes, My auntie being one of them, you know, she's in her 266 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,120 late 70s and she says it's, it's transformed her life and she 267 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,000 looks fantastic. And it's, I mean, to be honest, 268 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,880 that's all I want in life. And I can I can pack up and and 269 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,600 go now I've done that. Because the book's fabulous. 270 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,320 Is it still available to buy? It is, yes. 271 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,040 So I've got the website thehappydiet.co.uk, so you can 272 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,800 get the books available on there. 273 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Preferably you can get it from Amazon, but you know what 274 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,480 Amazon's like. You probably get just a few 275 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,080 pennies, just enough to cover the cost. 276 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,760 But if you've got Prime, then that's that's probably a good 277 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,560 deal for you. But you can get it direct and I 278 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,360 post it myself in a nice nice envelope to your door so. 279 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,240 Yeah, and if you're on YouTube and can see the video, I hope 280 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,160 mine doesn't get blood out. Oh, no blood then it's there. 281 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,000 My coffee I absolutely love a lot. 282 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,560 I've still not cooked a lot of the recipes from it yet, but the 283 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,920 katsu Curry, it went down an absolute storm. 284 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,920 And although I'd said to you at the time it's a vegan book, I 285 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,000 remember apologising to you saying I'm really sorry, Kaylee. 286 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,280 I've put chicken on it. But it's also delicious. 287 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,960 The kids loved it. And mushrooms jogging off is my 288 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,640 absolute favorite as well. I just wanted it to be 289 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,200 accessible and easy as well rather than over complicate 290 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,480 things. Nothing drives me more nuts than 291 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,120 recipe lists that are goodness knows how long with all these 292 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,640 random ingredients that you'll only use once and that puts 293 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,880 people off. So I just want to try and make 294 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,880 it as accessible as possible and tasty. 295 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,160 It definitely is that and colourful as you said as well, 296 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,280 and it also gives you tips on the side of how it's good for 297 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,160 you. So it's not just or here's a 298 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,880 recipe book. You explain why you put what 299 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,240 you've put into it, and it's really interesting. 300 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:12,680 A lot of people's criticism for vegan vegetarian diets is things 301 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,480 like protein and I, I know it's a myth. 302 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:23,119 I I'm probably at least 50%, probably 70% vegetarian for 303 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:29,160 reasons. I eat meat because I like the 304 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:34,520 taste of it, and I I use that as a good source for protein. 305 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,880 What kind of protein is available for vegetarians? 306 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,320 Vegans. Yeah, so my my staple go TOS. 307 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,960 I'm obsessed with smoked tofu. Just now you can get an ALDI for 308 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,520 £0.99 and it's amazing. I have that basically every 309 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,720 lunchtime just again, because I like the taste of it. 310 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,120 It's not necessarily because I need the protein, but yeah, 311 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:58,320 that's that is one of them. But nuts, again, I eat so many 312 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,640 nuts, beans and lentils. I mean, you get protein in, in 313 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,640 everything as well, like rice and bread. 314 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,520 So it's just a mix of everything and then you can get your 315 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,360 complete protein. So you are right, it's, it is a 316 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,800 bit of a myth, but it's, it's very, very achievable. 317 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,320 And obviously I've, I, I do eat a lot of food, but I don't 318 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,280 particularly worry about eating a lot of high protein food. 319 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,160 Actually, most of my food's probably more in the high fat 320 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,320 region more than anything. But yeah, I think you just got 321 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,000 to find what works for you best, and you'll know that because 322 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,680 your body body will tell you what's working and what's not. 323 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,320 Yeah, I think part of the myth comes from, as you said, they 324 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,400 are complete protein and it is getting a mixture of proteins to 325 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,160 be able to get a complete protein. 326 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,000 And that's that's the key for for me anyway. 327 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,080 And yeah, that's where I think the myth come from. 328 00:18:54,680 --> 00:19:02,440 But anyway, something worked because not long ago you were at 329 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,320 Gosby. As we already said, there's two 330 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,640 out of three of us here that have won that race. 331 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:14,320 So congratulations. And how did it go? 332 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,480 I think it went pretty well. Yeah. 333 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,440 Oh, it was. It feels so surreal. 334 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,200 And I keep I instinctively once they can't believe it, but 335 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,520 that's not true because that was my key going into the race was I 336 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,600 absolutely believed I could do it. 337 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:34,280 And now it's actually happened. It's like, oh, oh, wow, that's a 338 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,600 bit of a bit of a surprise. But yeah, I think the prep going 339 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,800 into it made me feel very, very capable of of it. 340 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,080 I knew what I was expecting. I felt ready to handle anything 341 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,840 that was going to be thrown at me. 342 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,440 And then everything else up on the during the weekend just all 343 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,440 fell into place. Like the weather was absolutely 344 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,120 perfect. We were so lucky there. 345 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,240 It wasn't too cold, there wasn't. 346 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,200 It was nice and dry. That made the skies beautiful. 347 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,160 So you know, how can you not enjoy your run when you're in a 348 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,080 place like that with the beautiful castle on the seaside? 349 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,400 The event organisers right from when you got there were 350 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,280 absolutely fantastic, full of beans. 351 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:19,120 Nicky and Ian obviously listened to them a couple of times 352 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,880 previously on your podcast, getting some insight, but 353 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,080 they're just the most likable people in the world. 354 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,840 As well as all the other volunteers. 355 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,560 We got a perfect spot. Again, that was one of my 356 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,480 adamant things of going into Golsby was I wanted to make sure 357 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,440 my shelter is nice and close to the start, save as much time as 358 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,760 possible with The Walking backwards and forwards. 359 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:43,080 And that again, just all all worked out really, really well. 360 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,080 Yeah. I just, I don't. 361 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Yeah. Where where else to start 362 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,640 through some questions and I could talk for hours at it. 363 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,800 Well. Question for to start with, how 364 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:02,720 did you go from doing your 50K to going to backyards? 365 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,560 Yeah. So last year, as probably most 366 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,760 people when they first get into ultras, I went a bit mad. 367 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,720 I found the ultras were pretty, pretty fun. 368 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,120 I seem to be reasonably good at it being not a traditionally 369 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:20,040 fast runner and I just decided to do an awful lot in a very 370 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:25,000 short space of time. So from doing the 50 Ki then 371 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,560 jumped in to do I did another 50 Ki run the Blades and my A race 372 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,720 was the Devil of the Highlands in the August. 373 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,560 But I also between that decided to sign up for Blair Athol 374 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,040 Backyard Ultra and I signed up for that because my dad was 375 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,280 doing it and I said I was going to crew him and support him. 376 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,120 But, and I also had a couple of long runs to do that weekend. 377 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:49,480 I was like, how am I going to fit this in? 378 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,480 And he suggested why not I sign up As for it as well. 379 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,920 So the terrible crew that I am, I was like, OK, I ditched that. 380 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,920 But yes, so I again, that was probably the one of the 381 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,000 highlights of last year. That race. 382 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,320 It was instantly an event I knew I loved and we were lucky again 383 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,560 with the weather. But it was such a great family 384 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:18,680 community feel and I, I had the aim to do 12 yards, so 50 miles, 385 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,640 but I didn't want to go any further because I knew Devil 386 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:27,200 Highlands was three weeks later. But I, I managed to achieve the 387 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,840 12 yards with, with no bother and I could have kept on going, 388 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,640 which was very exciting for me. So it was a it was a weird thing 389 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:40,000 to have that deciding point to stop, but I knew I wanted to 390 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,800 get, get stuck back into it. And then later on in that year I 391 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,760 had a couple other WE ultras, but I was determined to have 392 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,320 have another shot, which was Rasselbach at the start of this 393 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:58,880 year where I did go in with high aspirations, but I was still 394 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,360 very inexperienced and probably just didn't believe in myself 395 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:05,960 enough. So I got to 19 yards in 396 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,600 Rasselbach. I found through the night time I 397 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,400 struggled to eat. I was a bit stubborn like you 398 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,200 were saying, Nikki, about your experience recently, but I think 399 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,000 I just, I felt nauseous and then I was just not happy. 400 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,600 So I just wouldn't push past that nausea. 401 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,280 So since then I've I've figured out what I can stomach through 402 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,880 the night time and also find things that I can sort of push 403 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,240 through. So I was very lucky to get a 404 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 spot in the West Highway race in the summertime. 405 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,920 And that, as you know, starts at 1:00 in the morning. 406 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,120 So straight away you're eating through the night time and then 407 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,480 as most people will do, you run through a second night. 408 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,800 So it was a great experience for me to test things out in that 409 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,560 nutrition. So that as well as being on my 410 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,720 feet for 27 hours and covering the distance of 97 miles, I knew 411 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:05,080 I could do that again at Golsby. And that was my sort of mindset 412 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:10,080 going into it was I could at least get 27 yards, but I very 413 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,720 much plan to do 36 because I wanted to go far and I wanted to 414 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,840 win. That was my my aim to be the 415 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,240 last one standing. I knew to to reach the win, it's 416 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,600 likely to be the mid 30s based on your win last year being 29, 417 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,160 the high calibre runners being there, the better weather 418 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,440 conditions. So yeah. 419 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,160 So. Sorry mate. 420 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,760 Based on you, you did 27 hours at West Highland Way, so you 421 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,120 thought you could do what you did at Gosby. 422 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,680 Would you go back to West Highland Way and what would you 423 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,760 be aiming for? That's the very good question 424 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,640 because now I'm like, well, I can do, I could do 100 miles in 425 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,960 24 hours, so surely I could do that West Island way. 426 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,120 And that's exactly my mindset right now. 427 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,680 So I have got my name in the hat for next year. 428 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,920 It is my I I want to do that every year. 429 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,560 If I'm if I'm so lucky, I will always want to do that race. 430 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,720 I love the route so much and I just want to keep working at 431 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,640 refining and getting stronger. So I am very much that's my my 432 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,480 goal for next year is a sub 24 hour if if again, but yeah. 433 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,800 And you were talking there about mindset, which was going to be 434 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,960 my question. Everyone that I meet on, you 435 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,200 know, through the social media and through running in general 436 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,080 and my own personal experience with being your friend as well, 437 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,600 you are so, so positive, which at times. 438 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,080 Is so so annoying. But it is brilliant how how 439 00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:53,640 positive you are. Like how do you do you ever hit 440 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,440 a point like say for instance on the West Highland wait at 441 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,600 Goldsby where you do hit a depth, Like when you do say that 442 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,200 depth or Courtney DeWalt talks about the pain cave, whenever 443 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,680 you hit those moments, how do you overcome those or do you hit 444 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,680 those moments? I think they do hit me, but I'm 445 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,000 ready for them. And I suppose that's what she's 446 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,920 like as well. She's she says you need to be 447 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,080 ready for it and embrace it rather than fear, fear it. 448 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:28,080 So typically my at the West Ham way, it was the bit that got me 449 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,120 was the long stretch along the Ranak Mir. 450 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,960 So it's a really long lonely stretch. 451 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,160 And I just kind of felt a bit, yeah, a bit lonely. 452 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,560 And you know me, I like to yak away and stuff. 453 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,680 So unfortunately it was only myself to do that too. 454 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,440 So I just, I just talk, talk out loud. 455 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,320 That's probably my my tactic or just make up songs really, 456 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,160 really random and have little, little micro goals of knowing 457 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,560 just to try and overcome that. Other than that, like gospel, 458 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,320 obviously you you need to also expect the pain as like you're 459 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,800 going to hurt and everybody is going to hurt. 460 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,480 So you just need to know that's part of it. 461 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,880 And it is amazing that when you can accept it, your pain 462 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:17,200 tolerance is much higher. But the, the things that hit you 463 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,840 are when you start to get a niggle that you're not expecting 464 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,200 or it comes earlier than you're expecting. 465 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,840 So that's the challenge to overcome. 466 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,560 So at Golsby I started to get a sore knee, which I wouldn't 467 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,960 really get that early on. And it was a bit of a, oh, why 468 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,600 is this? I did fall down one of the 469 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,000 rabbit holes earlier on in the race. 470 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,800 So I was like, maybe it could have been that, but but it was 471 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,880 trying not to let that take over and derail the whole, the whole 472 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,480 race. So it's changing, just taking 473 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,400 away or accepting the pain it is there and also knowing it's not 474 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,640 getting any worse and it's just that little check in that just 475 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,720 gives you that boost of energy. And then a few hours later the 476 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,920 pain's completely gone, probably because something else is 477 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040 hurting. But it's like it's, it's those 478 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,520 things that you you call your sort of toolbox. 479 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,440 So you've experienced that before. 480 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,320 So part of my training going into Gosby as well was doing 7 481 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,600 marathons in seven days and I wanted to do that for both the 482 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,640 mindset, the exhaustion and to force my body to get sore and to 483 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,280 adapt to pain. So when I know a pain comes, I 484 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,920 know it will also go away again, if that makes sense. 485 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,200 So like blisters as well that happened on the West End when it 486 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,800 happened at Golsby, I get a blister in the same place on my 487 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,480 toe and it it comes, you feel it and then it just disappears. 488 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080 You just sort of learn to sort of put it away until it bursts 489 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,800 and then it rears its ugly head back and you're like, Ouch. 490 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,520 But then it goes away again. So it's, it's just trying to 491 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,520 claw up on those previous experiences and reminding 492 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,000 yourself that the pain is temporary. 493 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,160 It will go away and try and distract yourself with annoying 494 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,720 other people. It's great advice because that 495 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,000 was one thing before I went into the devil that gave me the fear. 496 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,080 I've done the recce from Glencoe to Fort William and I was sore 497 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,040 at the hips and usual places, as you say. 498 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680 And I spoke to a friend and I says what happens? 499 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,320 Like, you know, how do you keep going? 500 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,080 And she said to me, actually, you'll find it doesn't get 501 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600 worse. The pain that you have actually 502 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,840 doesn't get worse. And as you said there yourself, 503 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,320 in fact, it may even go away. It's just the way it is. 504 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,520 It's a very weird and wonderful thing about ultra running. 505 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,720 And how do you how do you train for something like golf's belly? 506 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,440 You've done so many yards, how you went over 30 hours. 507 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,800 How can you possibly train for something like that? 508 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,440 So typically backyards to go the distance you, you want to do 509 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,200 some, you want to go a lot slower. 510 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,000 And part of that as well is, is walking. 511 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,200 So you need to train yourself to be able to walk a lot. 512 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,280 It's very, very different on your body than running. 513 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,280 So you can't just assume that you can do these big long runs 514 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,880 and rock up to a backyard, do a run walk strategy and it'll all 515 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,280 be fine. You need to train the run walk 516 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,120 strategy. So in the lead up to that, 517 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,640 there's 7 marathons and seven days that I did. 518 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,120 Every one of those I was running, doing a run walk 519 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,520 strategy and it varied depending on what the terrain was. 520 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,120 So two of those runs had about 16 miles of canal. 521 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,040 So I did 3 minute run, 2 minute walk. 522 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,600 And I was just very, very regimented at that bit on the 523 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,080 flat bit. And then obviously when you come 524 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,680 to hills, it's like, well, you walk the hills, you bomb it down 525 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,360 on the downhills again, I wanted to, to sort of hammer out the, 526 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,360 the quads on the downhills during the training for the 527 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,160 adaptations. And then yes, so that, that was 528 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,280 the, the main part of the training was learning that sort 529 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,200 of run, walk strategy strategy, but also doing a simulation. 530 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,400 So I did a 12 yard simulation at local park that I've got a 531 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,920 perfect loop that works out to be bang on 4.167 miles. 532 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,280 So I did that solo, and I also practiced doing faster loops. 533 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,240 So at Blair Athel and Rasselbach, my loops were 534 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:26,000 averaging about 52 minutes and whilst that's quite ample time, 535 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,480 8 minutes break in between starting again. 536 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,600 I, I just knew and learning from speaking to other people and 537 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,960 listening and watching umpteen documentaries. 538 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,560 I'm a bit obsessed with backyards and I, I wanted to try 539 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,760 and, and push, push a bit harder and, and get in a bit faster and 540 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,480 see what toll that took on my body and if it was possible. 541 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,400 So in my training I was coming in about 47 minutes and, and was 542 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,240 doing that quite consistently. Even when I was sort of forcing 543 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,040 myself to still slow down a walk some more, it was still coming 544 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,040 in at that time. So I knew that would be a 545 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,240 worthwhile tactic to try out at Golsby. 546 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,760 And right enough, that's that's really what my my times were 547 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,000 coming in between 40 and 50 minutes. 548 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,720 And those extra couple of minutes paid dividends. 549 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240 Extra rest that you can have, get your legs up, have a quick 550 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,400 power nap when needed. You, you said there that you're, 551 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,880 you've gone obsessed with backyards and I can tell you it, 552 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,440 it's easy to do. And but another another thing 553 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,680 that you've done is you've won your first race and winning is 554 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,560 addictive. When you win. 555 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,920 When you win one thing, you just want to win more, and it gives 556 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,200 you the confidence to be able to do it because you know that 557 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,640 you're capable of it. But word of warning, when you 558 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,040 don't win, it hurts. Yeah. 559 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:58,560 And maybe not in the sort of physical pain, but if you've you 560 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,480 psyched yourself up to win a race and you don't do as well as 561 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,880 you think you do or you think you're capable of, you know 562 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,920 about it. So you're talking about as a 563 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,600 say, question that says for me about winning and make sure 564 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,840 you're saying that's addictive and it's going to hurt if you 565 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,600 don't win a race. At what point in your running 566 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,840 journey did you go from? That's. 567 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,080 Me just going out to finish races to I'm actually going to 568 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,080 win this. When did that click for you? 569 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,080 So I think that the backyard's a bit different in that because 570 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,560 typically races to win a race, you have to be fast, you have to 571 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,920 be the first across the finish line, whereas the backyards 572 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,800 completely different in that regard. 573 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,040 And to go as far as possible, which backyards are all about, 574 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,520 it's not necessarily about being the last one standing. 575 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,360 It's about finding your your absolute limit. 576 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,520 And to find that limit, you can't have a target, you can't 577 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800 possibly know when the race is going to end. 578 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,760 So for that, you have to aim to be the last one standing. 579 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:14,159 And I think I knew when would it have been possibly. 580 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,880 It's difficult to find define the actual moments, but as soon 581 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,560 as the West Ham way was finished and I was ramping up the focus 582 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,880 then to the goal speed, that's when the mindset shifted off 583 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600 right. I want to be the last one 584 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,920 standing because I want to see how far I can get. 585 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,760 And also an integral part of you getting there was your crew. 586 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:45,320 Tell us about who was crewing and how the how you benefited 587 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,159 from it. So my partner Michael, he is my 588 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:53,480 my solo crew and he's he's been quite expedient. 589 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,040 He's been thrown in the deep end from the first backyard that we 590 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,640 did last year. But he has been absolutely 591 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,960 amazing at it. And for somebody that's not a 592 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,360 runner and just knows everything about running from listening to 593 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,000 me and all my ramblings, I think he's done pretty, pretty 594 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,520 amazing. I think it helps having it. 595 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,760 It can go both ways. Having somebody that's very 596 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,680 close to you as crew, it helps because they know you as a 597 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,960 person and they know exactly what to say and how to get you 598 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,040 thinking smart again. They, they know what to say 599 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,200 without they, I think the main thing is they truly know what 600 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,200 you want and what you're capable of. 601 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,800 And he did believe in me and that made a difference. 602 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,560 My worry from the start of when he started being my crew last 603 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,560 year was more of the him not understanding that when I'm 604 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,680 hurting or if I'm sick or any of these things that could possibly 605 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,800 happen, it's OK. And I want to keep going. 606 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,080 Don't like think, Oh no, we need to, we need to get you all 607 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,480 rested and stuff. But that's, that's never 608 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,960 happened. He just seems to know that that 609 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,360 that is that is part of it. He's very good as well at not 610 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,640 letting me get a bit too distracted. 611 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,520 So, for example, at Golsby, I was rhyming off all these 612 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,240 positives that were happening at I think we're on like lap lap 30 613 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,520 when Victoria and I obviously had just taken the, the 1-2, the 614 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,560 first UK sort of backyard female assistant female win. 615 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,640 You know, I've, I've hit the 30 mark and all these other sort of 616 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,480 positives. He was like, no, no, let's not 617 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,200 get distracted. Like keep, keep your eye on the 618 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,440 prize now, don't be thinking that the race is coming to an 619 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,640 end. And that's exactly what I needed 620 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,880 at that time because your body does start to go into shutdown 621 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,800 mode when you see the sights of the finish line. 622 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,440 And like I said, I did plan for 36 yards. 623 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,160 And I think my body started to know that, especially when we 624 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,960 were whittled down to just three of us. 625 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,760 And I just needed to sort of be a bit snapped out of it. 626 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,840 Keep my eye on the prize, as they say. 627 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,920 Well, you said that not to get distracted by certain things and 628 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,040 something I got a message when you were 2930 when you went down 629 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,400 to the two females left from Nikki and Ian saying has there 630 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:23,160 ever been a male, sorry, not a male, two female assist and 631 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,000 winner. And I replied saying not, not 632 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,040 that I know of, not in the UK anyway. 633 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,120 So I think it's not time to get distracted about it during the 634 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,280 race, but it's time to celebrate about it now. 635 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,960 I'm not even sure what I can say. 636 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,440 Female winner, Female assist. Go girls. 637 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,200 Yeah, it was. It was a really good thing. 638 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,520 Victoria. Victoria told me that we if that 639 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,720 that was a possibility, I think that there must have been like 640 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:59,120 five of us or or so six of us left in in the race at that 641 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,960 point. And I knew that was sort of 642 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,160 spurring her on to get to that. And it was just like, that's, 643 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,720 that's something for us to just keep, keep, keep our hopes on, 644 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,520 you know, don't even if the the fatigues getting set in. 645 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,160 I mean, the males looked pretty strong. 646 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,680 I was actually quite surprised that they started dropping off 647 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,600 when they did I I was expecting them to hold off for another a 648 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,240 good few few yards, but when Victoria told me that it just 649 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:27,680 lit lit an absolute fire. And I do remember that this the 650 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,960 lap that we did ourselves when, when Martin didn't didn't start, 651 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,360 we just looked around because I mean, he was brilliant. 652 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,840 Like I think for about four or five loops he was saying, no, 653 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,440 that's me. I keep getting forced out, but 654 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,800 my crew keep forcing me. They're terrible people. 655 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,120 But I'll just get timed out this lap. 656 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,600 And he just kept showing up. And again, that's another thing 657 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,360 of you can't, you can't think that they're going to drop out 658 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,720 because people can hold on for us so, so long. 659 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,560 But when when he didn't start that loop, we just looked around 660 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,320 and we just did a little like fist bump. 661 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,360 It was just, it was such a cool little moment. 662 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,160 Yeah. Did you and Victoria ever run 663 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,680 the lap together when it ended up just the two of yous? 664 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,840 Or did you just go into yourselves and that was a kind 665 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,960 of conference? Mode. 666 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,640 No, no, no. Yeah, we ran. 667 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,280 We ran that lap together. It was, it was very special. 668 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,880 It was good competition mode. I know that's funny. 669 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520 No, I think we were both we were had a wee chat about targets 670 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,760 because I wasn't sure what her targets were. 671 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,480 And ultimately that again, like say that's part of this event, 672 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,880 isn't it? You want to to help and assist. 673 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,480 That's the the name of the the 2nd to get to their target. 674 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,640 But she had already surpassed that and she was very content 675 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,400 and and not not continuing. So yeah. 676 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,120 Yeah, Victoria's got her other targets this year. 677 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,360 She's doing 12 backyards in 12 months. 678 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,520 So I think that's, although she wants to do well in all of them, 679 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,720 she wants to continue throughout the year. 680 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080 Yeah. And they're all in quite short 681 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,080 succession. I think there's about 5 that 682 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,240 have only got 2 weeks between them, Yeah. 683 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,000 It's really inspiring, I think for women this year, especially 684 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,920 in ultra running this this is my first year experiencing the 685 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,240 ultras you yourself last year, Kaylee, but I don't know as a 686 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,080 from this is a question for the two of you. 687 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:30,080 Do you feel that it is starting? The female field is starting to 688 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,960 come up stronger and stronger every year now and there are 689 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,440 more females on the start line. Make you've been doing this a 690 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,440 lot longer than Kaylee and myself, so you might be better 691 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:46,920 versed answering that than us. Well, for me, I think going 692 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:52,280 back, I've been running for almost 15 years and the start 693 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,680 line in general has gotten 10 times bigger. 694 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,040 So obviously there are more females within that group. 695 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,960 Percentage wise. I don't know. 696 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,040 Hopefully one day we'll get to 5050. 697 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:15,080 I don't think it is that at the moment but well, I don't know. 698 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,920 Winning two female 1st and 2nd can only be a good thing for the 699 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,760 sport. Yeah. 700 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,040 And obviously Sarah, Sarah Perry taking the win as well. 701 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,000 That was, I mean that that the whole world champs of the 702 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,920 backyard was such an inspiration. 703 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,200 And Karen Nichols always been such a a big advocate for for 704 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520 women getting into ultra running, but backyards in 705 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,920 particular. And it was talking to her at the 706 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,000 start of last year that really inspired me to to start and try 707 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,960 out a backyard. Yeah. 708 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,680 So well, Karen's mission is to get more females involved in the 709 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,360 sport. So a downside on you doing well 710 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,440 is now she's saying she's retiring because she's done her 711 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,600 job. So hello. 712 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,640 Hello. She's she's got, she's got more 713 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,640 left in her. I know that she's. 714 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,600 Not like to retire, yeah. She knows that as well, she just 715 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:15,840 doesn't want to admit it. Have you over since the last 716 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,120 four years, have you obtained any major injuries or have you 717 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,000 been quite lucky that way, Kayla? 718 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,560 Yeah. So no, no injuries. 719 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,960 I think I've become very well tuned into my body now and not 720 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,240 having the panic of any sort of pains or niggles that occur and 721 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:32,760 think, oh gosh, this is the end of it. 722 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,160 It's it's been quite switched on about figuring out why it's 723 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,720 painful, where it's stemming from, because typically things 724 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,800 that are sore aren't the area that's causing it. 725 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:48,880 So I've had a few instances of I'm not sure if it's shin 726 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,400 splints or not, but it does feel that's probably what it is. 727 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,440 But it gets quite sort of inflamed and a bit sore and 728 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,080 difficult to sort of flex my foot. 729 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,320 And that happens typically after long, long events. 730 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,200 So my first backyard Blair after last year that happened. 731 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,880 So it took a couple of weeks total rest bike goes away, no 732 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,240 bother. And then the same happens just 733 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:16,040 recently before, before Golsby during the back in the seven 734 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,680 marathons that that flared up again. 735 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,480 And but I, I knew it would. And that was my sort of intent 736 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,920 to get it to flare up because I knew I was going to have a good 737 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,960 few weeks total rest before Golsby and then the body will 738 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,400 adapt to that. So it shouldn't happen during 739 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,000 Golsby And, and that is what happens. 740 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,640 And then after Golsby, while during it, I had on my left foot 741 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,120 inside, I don't really know what it is, but it was quite, quite 742 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,920 sore and in the inside my foot, I've never had that before. 743 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,000 It's not sore anymore. It's fine to wait bear and and 744 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,840 walk and run. But well, I've not tried running 745 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,200 and I don't plan to anytime soon, but it's still a little 746 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,800 bit swollen. But again, I'm just not, I know 747 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,440 it's not an injury based on this sort of symptoms. 748 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,960 It's just trying to to be sensible and, and manage it and 749 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,520 not not rush back into into running. 750 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,640 So that's something over the past few months have been quite, 751 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,320 I've changed a lot is taking quite intentional rest days and 752 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,280 and recovery and not not worrying about getting back to 753 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,760 running because I know at some point in my journey a proper 754 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,080 injury will happen and it will take its toll. 755 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,840 If you are not prepared to take, take a good few weeks off 756 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,920 running. So you said recovery, Do you? 757 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,840 Is it just total rest? Do you change your diet during 758 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,040 that time? What do you do to recover? 759 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,240 Diet typically stays the same. So I don't, I don't change that 760 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:48,720 at all. If anything, I probably just eat 761 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,320 more, which is I find impossible. 762 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,000 But but yeah, my recovery is I walk a lot anyway. 763 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,840 I've got two dogs, so I'm always out walking then. 764 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,880 So a bare minimum. I'm always walking at least an 765 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:06,320 hour a day and during any sort of recovery period or I'll I'll 766 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,560 just pick up the indoor bike. I don't do anything intense. 767 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,240 Crazy spin class. I think I tried it. 768 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,600 I tried, did it again recently. I was like, no, this is not for 769 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,080 me. But yeah, just some easy 770 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,400 movement on the bike and that's that's really about it. 771 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,760 That sort of keeps things ticking over. 772 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:31,320 OK, Since you've won your last race, has have you been 773 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,400 approached for sponsorship or anything like that? 774 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,760 No. I've, I've never been, if 775 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,640 anybody wants to, then feel free to send me some free trainers. 776 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:47,320 But yeah, I, I think you need to be be like Nikki and go out and 777 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,680 talk to people. Maybe I think that's my problem. 778 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,280 You don't talk to people. So no, nobody wants to approach 779 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:54,560 you. I've not. 780 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,480 Been sponsored yet? I don't know still, still 781 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,320 waiting on Morton and Innovate to get back to me. 782 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,520 So, so since you're you're not sponsored is is there any in 783 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,760 particular that you like to wear? 784 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,840 Yeah, so I'm, I tend to just stick once I find something that 785 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,920 works, I just stick to it. And I'm also, I love a bargain. 786 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,400 So I typically and second hand stuff. 787 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,640 I've always been a big fan of charity shops. 788 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,960 And then obviously when vintage came along, I was like, oh, 789 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,520 hello. So I get most of my stuff is, is 790 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,320 actually second hand or gifted. Actually, I've had some very 791 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,280 kind friends that have gifted things to me. 792 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,520 For example, my the Salomon vest that I always wear in every 793 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,680 ultra and I wore the whole time during Golsby was gifted to me 794 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,880 by Lee, which was lovely. He just wanted coffee and cake 795 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,080 in return, which is amazing. My, my shoes that I wear, I just 796 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,800 stick to the speed goats, Hawker speed goats. 797 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,960 I found them and they've always worked well. 798 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,360 So I've, I have bought new pairs of those in the past, but I've 799 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,160 also been lucky to get reasonable good second hand 800 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,520 ones. So the ones that I wore at 801 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,000 Golsby were actually second hand. 802 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:09,160 So they're they're brilliant. And yeah, that that's really my 803 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,200 staples for my kits, my Salomon vest and my my speed goats. 804 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,240 OK, well another bit of kit that I heard a rumour that you've got 805 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,080 quite a few multifunctional headwear. 806 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,600 Some people call them buffs, snoods, whatever you want to 807 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,800 call them. But a little competition Out of 808 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,240 the three of us, who's got the most amount of buffs? 809 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,720 Oh, I I want to be ballsy and say no one could have more than 810 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,760 me. So I'm going to, I'm going to 811 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,600 stay say that, but I think I've got 35. 812 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,120 OK, Nikki. See, you're just asking that I 813 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,640 completely forgot to count because I'm not disorganised. 814 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,200 I'm I'm actually going to say I'm up there with you, Kaylee. 815 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,160 I think I've got and and it's ridiculous that I've only been 816 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,480 running properly for about two years. 817 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,840 I'm sure I must have at least 30, but I'm going to go and 818 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,680 count them. And I will comment on all the 819 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,480 social channels later on when this gets shelled how many I've 820 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,160 got because it's my favorite piece of cat. 821 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:24,000 It's so versatile. I I told you winning was 822 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,880 addictive. I've got 48. 48 No way. 823 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,520 There was a time when you didn't get AT shirt for finishing a 824 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,920 race and I know it's you shouldn't get T-shirts nowadays 825 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,040 because it's bad for the environment. 826 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,880 There was a time when everybody got a buff, so I've been running 827 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,400 long enough. I've got quite a lot of buffs. 828 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,120 We both have we both have a favorite buff. 829 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:54,640 I have I do have a favorite one. It's actually one of the it's 830 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,480 the it's the newest run Hearts run free one. 831 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,480 The well, I say newest, it was the newest, the danger zone 1. 832 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,280 I just love the colours of that one. 833 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:08,200 So that is one of my favourites. I think mine I've got 21 834 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,240 Scotland but because support Scotland no matter what and the 835 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:17,520 other one is my probably one of my favorite races is the 836 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:23,640 Catherine Trail and I don't know how many of those buffs exist 837 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,720 and how many people still got them. 838 00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:29,000 I might be the only one, but the luminous yellow with the 839 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,360 cattering trail writing on it. Cool. 840 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:38,320 I think mine is probably is so hard to choose because I'm 841 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,760 really sentimental that way and think, oh, you know, when I look 842 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,080 at certain buffs and it reminds me a certain time. 843 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,280 So I love my flying one for the voluntary stand that I've done 844 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,160 that I love the devil one because of what I've done. 845 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,920 And I just love all the young hearts ones because of that just 846 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,400 introduced me into the whole world. 847 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,200 So I have a mixture and then I have a mixture of run club ones 848 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,520 as well. The I just support the clubs. 849 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,640 The the one thing I regret about Gossipy is not having a 850 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,640 different buff for each lap and like I had the perfect amount. 851 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,960 Why did I not see that as an opportunity? 852 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,800 For your training and eventing and everything like that, you 853 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,800 got the happy diet, so foods and drink and nutrition. 854 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,240 What do you do both within runs and out with runs? 855 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:32,480 How do you keep going? What's the fueling for you? 856 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,160 I stick to real food. Like I said earlier, I had one 857 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,440 gel in my life and I've never really touched gels since. 858 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,680 So real food works for me and I just got used to that through 859 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,040 all my training. And I've now I've again, I've 860 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,240 learned from going from having a total pick and mix smorgasbord 861 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:54,680 of job, but what if I change? And so I've had lots and lots of 862 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,280 different choices. Whereas I've refined it down now 863 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,080 to the staples, which is bananas, salted crisps, jam 864 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,280 sandwiches and fruit and nut mix, and then dates and 865 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,400 marzipan. That is pretty much my staple 866 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,400 for real food. I'd had Wheatabix for the first 867 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,000 time during a run and that went down a treat. 868 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,520 So thanks for that suggestion, but I had it with the soya milk 869 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,200 instead. That was brilliant. 870 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,680 And I have started making my own chocolate milk through soya 871 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,200 milk, cacao powder and Maple syrup and a bit of salt and that 872 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,560 that works really, really well. It's a sort of recovery 873 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:35,360 throughout long, long runs. And like I said as well, I sort 874 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,040 of struggled to eat through the through the night time. 875 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,440 So what I've been using is just pure Maple syrup with a bit of 876 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,120 lemon juice and salt. I just sort of to count them 877 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,000 into my wee pouches. So I take them with me for a 878 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,680 little squirt and then Tailwind as well. 879 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,520 So that's sort of my fall back is at least then I just get 880 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,280 because I can always take water and that's never been an issue. 881 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,960 But I get to a certain point where you feel your stomach 882 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,640 sloshing because you just, you just can't digest food anymore. 883 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,240 So you just have to have a lap or or an hour, whatever it is 884 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:10,680 where you just don't, don't eat anything. 885 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,400 Let things settle again. And that that seems to work 886 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,240 well. Yeah, you say you don't take 887 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:20,680 gels, but your Maple syrup is probably doing the equivalent 888 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,880 job of it. Exactly, Yeah. 889 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,800 Question, How many bananas did you have during the race? 890 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,760 I know I needed to count my banana skins, but what I had to 891 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,600 do was count how many I came back with and I think it was 892 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,360 probably about 13 bananas I ate in the end. 893 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,720 So it wasn't as much as I intended, but it was still a 894 00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:45,560 fair amount. 13 / 38 yeah, that's. 895 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,280 That's a lot of bananas, yeah. Someone at work was worried 896 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,440 thinking like oh can you not get potassium poison? 897 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,960 And so she googled it and I think you have to take like 40 898 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,960 in a space of 24 hours. I was like, I'm fine. 899 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,880 But potassium's actually good for heartbeat, so that's. 900 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,400 Yeah, that's the surely with that as well you'd be bunding 901 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,400 that off as you're running as well. 902 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,520 Would you not only get potassium poison if you just sat sedentary 903 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,640 and at the 40 bananas? Yeah. 904 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,640 You're, I don't know whether you took any salt tablets. 905 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,360 You get potassium in that as well. 906 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,240 And if you were taking gels, you get it in that your tailwind, 907 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,120 there's probably electrolytes in that. 908 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,040 So your body would probably tell you if you were anywhere near 909 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,880 it. Yeah, Yep. 910 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:35,520 I've tried the Malzapan and dates last year and what a treat 911 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,200 that was. I was thinking that as you were 912 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,760 answering that question. It's Malzapan and date season 913 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,280 again with little and all they are bringing out the dates. 914 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,840 It's always think of you when I see them now, but. 915 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,840 They're normally, yeah, early on in the race, because typically 916 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,640 later on you just you get that, that dry mouth or like sweet 917 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,600 stuff. You just like no. 918 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,960 So you need, I think there was one lap I was having some nuts 919 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,600 and I just, I had like them in my mouth for about 20 minutes 920 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,160 before I could get get them down because you just have the effort 921 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,760 to to swallow. It's just, it's such a surreal 922 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,320 feeling to try and describe it to someone, but you guys 923 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:19,240 appreciate it. But you're known for being happy 924 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:21,560 the whole time. What? 925 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,960 What's going through your mind? What are you thinking about for 926 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,200 30 plus hours? Yeah, that is a great question. 927 00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,760 And because that's what I would ask other people. 928 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,560 And I made a point of thinking, what do I think? 929 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,320 Because I know someone's going to ask me this and it's so 930 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,520 boring. I just think logistics. 931 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,040 I'm always thinking about what I'm going to do when I get to 932 00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,560 the end. And I'm just thinking, right, 933 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,120 what's this next checkpoint, what time I'm on? 934 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,080 And it's so boring. That is all I'm thinking about. 935 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,040 Not boring at all, it's practical. 936 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,720 It is, it is, but I don't listen to to music or anything as well. 937 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,520 So it's it's mad to think that that's just all that time of 938 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,400 just thinking logistics. Is that in training as well? 939 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,640 You don't listen to music. Yeah, mostly in training, yeah. 940 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,520 So any, any of my long runs or any sort of workout sessions 941 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,480 that I do, I just don't do with with music. 942 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,840 And I think that's just really and podcasts as well, just 943 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,760 because I used to, I used to always listen, listen to music 944 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,000 and podcasts. But yeah, I've just that was 945 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,160 from last summer. I realised I gave that a wee 946 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,040 shot and and actually feel much better without it. 947 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,040 I think I'll need to try that because I can't imagine not 948 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,600 listening to music apart from in fact, the last couple of events 949 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,680 I've done, I've actually done without, which as you say does 950 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,440 kind of, it's just you alone with your thoughts and it's 951 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,880 quite interesting. So I'll need to try it on 952 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,640 training runs because it's something that I don't, it's 953 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,560 something I seem to do in events that I've I've never doing 954 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,200 training so. Yeah, I always have it with me 955 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,480 just in case. So it's always an option. 956 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,440 And actually what I did for this, this time around, I 957 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,600 actually recorded a voice note to myself, as cheesy as it 958 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,960 sounds, because I was in such a a good place on the on the 959 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,520 Friday. I was just so buzzing, full of 960 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,800 energy and I was like, this is there's going to come point 961 00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,800 where I'm going to start doubting myself and all those 962 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,760 negative thoughts come in. So I'm just going to records 963 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,240 myself and I actually did pull it out at one point and it I did 964 00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,040 genuinely help. So I don't know if anyone wants 965 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,520 to go down that cheesy hole, but it definitely it's worth giving 966 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,720 yourself a wee pep talk, record it and play it back. 967 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,600 I've done similar. I've never actually recorded a 968 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,000 voice note but I have like written things down. 969 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:45,200 It's hard to argue with your past self because you know that 970 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,440 your past self was in a better state of mind than you are right 971 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,000 now during the race. So. 972 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,840 That's exactly it, yeah. It's psychological, isn't it? 973 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,760 It's just anything that can help you get through those really low 974 00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,520 moments. It's great advice. 975 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,120 Yeah. You touched on this a bit 976 00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,000 earlier on with your skiing and The Walking. 977 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,120 Is there any other cross training that you like to do? 978 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,200 Not really. I do love walking, but like I 979 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,720 said, it's nothing. I just take the dogs for a walk 980 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,200 and other than just the indoor biking every now and then, 981 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,000 there's yeah nothing. Nothing really cross training 982 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,760 wise. I have I have dappled with the 983 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,480 idea of getting a bike so I can start commuting to work. 984 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,840 I've, I've started running to work on some of the days, which 985 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,960 I've really enjoyed, but I'd like to just be able to get to 986 00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,240 work right from door, door to door rather than my run. 987 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,920 I have to drive to a certain point that's a bit more 988 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,480 practical because it's about 16 miles. 989 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,760 I think so. But I think I'd, I'd like to 990 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,680 eventually get into the point of, of cycling to work. 991 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,520 So that will be hopefully next year's edition. 992 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,560 Yeah, I've run to work a few times. 993 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,320 Not often, but it is 19 miles each way. 994 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:04,840 So but sitting sitting for a day's work worth of work 995 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,280 afterwards is not the most comfortable thing. 996 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,040 Not fun, I know. Even though you might feel 997 00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,120 slightly smug, it's still yeah. I've been thinking about it and 998 00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,960 my walk's only 6 miles away so there's no excuses for me now. 999 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,960 You've got to leave your house at like 5:00 in the morning. 1000 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,120 It's it's yeah, not, not a great thing. 1001 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,760 Do do on the way home, not on the way to work. 1002 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:34,360 So you have went from couch to 5K up to backyard alters where 1003 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,080 it's an unlimited amount? Do you have a preferred 1004 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:41,960 distance? That I don't know yet. 1005 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,920 It's one of those silly things where I'm like, I'd like to go 1006 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,480 back and start perfecting the 50 Miller and start working on 1007 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,280 that. But you get carried away with 1008 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,240 all these other things and then you realise that you don't have 1009 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,760 enough time to focus on that kind of of training. 1010 00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:02,880 So I think my favorite type of distance probably is the 26 1011 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,600 miles. But out with an event I really 1012 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,320 love a long adventure run and just plotting out a good 20 to 1013 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,160 26 miles from here to here through some crazy terrain. 1014 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,480 And it's just a proper adventure so. 1015 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,040 So that would probably be my favorite distance if I was to 1016 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:27,680 pick 1 here. And before any events, you're 1017 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,600 saying you like to do the 26 miles out West events. 1018 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:37,840 Do you get nervous before them? Before events, yes, I do not 1019 00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,680 normally the whole run up. It's it's pretty much the 1020 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:46,240 morning or the hour before and it just comes in such a 1021 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,560 unexpected wave and it's just pure adrenaline. 1022 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,560 So the the most notable wave of that was the devil of the 1023 00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,640 Highlands last year and totally cool as a cucumber right up 1024 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,640 until when we arrived and it was like try and eat the banana and 1025 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:05,160 I was like pure adrenaline. Sorry. 1026 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:11,240 Yeah, so that that still comes, comes and gets me, but I'm a bit 1027 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,520 more prepared for it now. So I try and and take myself 1028 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,240 away from from all the drama and just I say drama, but you know 1029 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,880 what I mean, all the excitement and just sort of have a bit of 1030 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,720 quiet moment to yourself to calm down. 1031 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,680 Were you nervous at Gosby? It was much more excitement than 1032 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,960 nerves this time, but I think again I had that mental switch 1033 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,000 of when the nerves came, I've told myself it's the same 1034 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,000 feeling as excitement. So I didn't let that sort of 1035 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,400 take over. It was all a very, very quick 1036 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,600 morning actually, the golf space. 1037 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,240 So before you knew it, it was like you're at the startling 1038 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,080 because we stayed over a night. So it was, it felt nice and 1039 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,200 relaxed at the start. You had your breakfast and then 1040 01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,720 you just got your table all set up. 1041 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:58,240 And so it didn't feel like the traditional style of going to a 1042 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,800 race, it just felt like you were just joining your family for a 1043 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:08,280 wee social run. And going going to a race. 1044 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,160 Do you have a a dream race that you want to go to? 1045 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,800 It's not really, but I think maybe because I don't know 1046 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,840 what's out there yet. I know ultras are becoming more 1047 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,240 and more popular in mainstream. You do hear about them. 1048 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,600 But my dream race probably still is the West Highland way. 1049 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,280 And it's, it's silly because I know I've done it already, but 1050 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,720 that would still be my dream race. 1051 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,760 The follow on from that probably would have to be the Kate Rath 1052 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,560 route. Whether I want to do that as 1053 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,920 part of the event itself or just go out and and do it in stages 1054 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,760 myself, I'm not sure. It's definitely a route I want 1055 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,400 to do. But yeah, I think of Scotland 1056 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,040 very much is my where all the sort of dream routes would be. 1057 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,920 Fair enough. And Speaking of dream routes, do 1058 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,720 you have a a dream person you would want to run it with, 1059 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,640 whether it's fictional, non fictional, alive or otherwise? 1060 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,520 Yeah, I always really like listening to to Harvey Lewis. 1061 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:19,200 So obviously, since I've come on the the Backyard Obsession, I 1062 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:24,280 have very much listened a lot to his interviews and and sort of 1063 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,920 followed his journey and I find him quite inspiring and I'd sort 1064 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,840 of take a lot from his his way and outlook. 1065 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,920 So I I can imagine him just, you know, time would just be such a 1066 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,400 a breeze chatting away to and listen to him. 1067 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,720 So probably, yeah, have to have to see Harvey Lewis. 1068 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,160 You've had an amazing year, what's next for you? 1069 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,920 What's next? So this is another unique thing 1070 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,680 about golfspe was I didn't have anything booked immediately 1071 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,080 after my next major thing isn't till like the summer next year. 1072 01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:02,160 So there was no nothing was overshadowing the event and it's 1073 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,040 been great to sort of just chill after it as well and not have 1074 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,720 that worry. But I am obviously still very 1075 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,160 excited about the the big things that are planned for next year. 1076 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,280 And it's funny how things escalate as usual. 1077 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,520 So next year I have been accepted into the race across 1078 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:29,400 Scotland, which is August 215 miles, which is very much a real 1079 01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,360 adventure. So I'm really looking forward to 1080 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,240 getting stuck into that training. 1081 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,160 I do have a couple other things booked. 1082 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,280 I have actually got a place at Suffolk Backyard Ultra. 1083 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,360 When I booked that place, it was very much because I wanted to be 1084 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,200 amongst the elites, all those that that that go there. 1085 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:52,840 I'm very inspired by Claire Banworth. 1086 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,640 I think she's she's an amazing ultra runner. 1087 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,840 So I'd just love to just say that I was at the start line 1088 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,400 with her. And also it's a backyard where 1089 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,480 if you want to get your high yards, that's where you can you 1090 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,360 can get them. The race won't finish early. 1091 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,840 I'm my I'm just a bit nervous about Suffolk now because of the 1092 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:19,120 size of it and the logistics with that many people in the 1093 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,560 tents and getting across the start line all how quickly the 1094 01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,920 minutes can quickly add up. So how it will all pan out, I'm 1095 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:31,720 not sure, but it is one that I have got in the calendar booked. 1096 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,560 And then obviously West Island Way is still an unknown, but I 1097 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,800 will be very much doing that if if a place comes to be. 1098 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,840 And Golsby, I have signed up for that, Yeah. 1099 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,040 But it's all sold out already. They've done amazing. 1100 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,880 So all spaces have gone for Golsby. 1101 01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,520 Yeah, yeah. I I did see your name on that 1102 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,680 start list. Not that I've been keeping an 1103 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,960 eye on lists, but. Yes. 1104 01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:04,520 Anyway, that wraps it up for us. How have you got any any new 1105 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,240 books coming out that you want to plug or anything else that 1106 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,680 you want to say? I have another little project 1107 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,320 that might come to fruition that's not set in stone yet, but 1108 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,600 that will be springtime of 2026 and that would be my own little 1109 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,360 event. But I'm hoping to initiate a 1110 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,720 backyard at a Country Park nearby. 1111 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:30,160 So it is very very just concept stage shall we say. 1112 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:34,000 I've got some initial queries sent out to try and see what 1113 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,080 permissions are like, but all going well. 1114 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:42,240 I'd love to be launching my own events sometime next year. 1115 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,960 OK. Well, we'll look forward to 1116 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,440 hearing about it, and I'm sure everybody can follow you on 1117 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,520 Instagram. The happy Diet, as we've said 1118 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,960 plenty of times. And I just like to say thank 1119 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,200 you, Kaylee, for joining us tonight. 1120 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,880 And thanks to Nikki for being Nikki. 1121 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,960 And yeah, I'll just say goodbye from me. 1122 01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,080 Thank you. Thank you. 1123 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,080 Lovely talking to you. Thank you. 1124 01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:15,520 Bye.