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Hello and welcome to the next 
episode of Run Till You're Done.

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This week we have got a very 
special guest and one that I've 

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been really excited to speak to 
since joining Make onto the 

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podcast. 
I've found it really, really 

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hard to write an introduction 
for this guest because she's got

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so many achievements behind her.
She competes in her age group 

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for Great Britain and Jewel 
Thorns podiums, many events she 

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enters coaches at various clubs 
such as Epic Trails, the Westies

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and Glasgow Tri Club as well as 
coaching individuals like 

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myself. 
And she has just finished race 

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directing the MO Guy Trail 
event. 

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And she does all of this on top 
of working full time and being a

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bum, so I can't wait to hear how
she fits it all in. 

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Welcome to the show, Nicola 
Dawson. 

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Oh, thank you. 
It's Sunday so you can call me 

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Nicola if you want to. 
Only my Sunday name so. 

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Usually what we would do is ask 
the 1st guest how they got into 

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running. 
But you've got such an athletic 

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background. 
I think we'll start with how did

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you get into fitness in general?
I think I've always just been 

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one of those children that was 
just sporty. 

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I grew up in the air, so most 
places getting about was just on

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a bike as you did in those days.
So it was just, you know, 

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cycling wherever you wanted to 
go. 

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And tennis was actually the main
thing that I played. 

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I've played tennis since I was 
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So all my summers were spent at 
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them, playing tennis all day, 
then cycling back. 

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But then I also wanted to do 
judo, so I did that, signed up 

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for athletics, did that. 
Anything that was a bit sporty, 

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I do. 
I just would just have a shock. 

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That was just, it was just part 
of life and that's I think the 

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substitute is still that. 
I just like to do sports and any

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bit of fitness I can, I'll do 
it. 

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So were your mum and dads 
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siblings, or were you just a 
very active child? 

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It's. 
Just me. 

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So it was just, no, my mum 
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She would occasionally go to a 
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my dad's predominantly where he 
came, he's always been sporty. 

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So he played football to high 
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Then I remember seeing him 
playing cricket and then curling

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and he was still curling into 
his ACS. 

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He's 98 now but in his 80s he 
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got like they have little like 
add on things for curling sticks

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and things. 
So you could have to bend down 

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and he would still go and curl 
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anymore. 
But even now he still does lapse

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of the care home that he's in 
and the Zimmer has to keep 

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active. 
So I am basically just my dad. 

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And pointing it back to podcast 
about running. 

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So how? 
How did you get into running? 

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Running, I remember it must have
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there was an A race. 
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a schools 1 and it was a mile 
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Of course I put my name down to 
do it. 

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I remember going out practicing 
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Priest Java. 
I've gonna sound like dead old. 

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You had to get your mum or dad 
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block to work out how far it 
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So I knew it was a mile and a 
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practicing around the block and 
nearly dying. 

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And then I did that race and I 
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upstairs. 
I was not first and like that, 

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but I did that one and I think 
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first like event. 
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Air Seaforth. 
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I am not a sprinter, but they 
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do the sprinting events first 
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I just, I just failed miserably 
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So I didn't really get to the 
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don't give me 100 meters. 
There's just no point for that. 

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But then I got into schools and 
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So the good old school cross 
countries wearing the little 

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vests and the gym knickers that 
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Ayrshire sand dunes and February
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Coast of Scotland, but he's 
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It was delightful, but somehow I
still run. 

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I don't quite know why, but I 
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up. 
Really. 

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Yeah. 
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Tortoises. 
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running with Tune Tortoises. 
So is that not the standard 

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tune? 
Tortoises get up the sport 

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knickers and. 
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Thankfully, probably. 
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the younger days of getting into
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And then you did my first half 
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London at 21. 
It's the first marathon. 

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At. 21 yeah, 21 I just decided 
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Did it again at 23. 
So was it was it still a ballot?

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Has it always been a ballot? 
Yeah. 

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And and is that how you got your
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Did you get it through the 
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Oh no, I think for one year I 
did it for charity. 

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I think that's the first year my
dad's still got that picture in 

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his care home of me looking very
shocked, youngster with like 

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this kind of London Marathon 
official picture that they sent 

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you out because it wasn't, you 
couldn't download it. 

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You picked it and then they sent
it to you. 

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Yeah, that was the first one I 
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That was a shock. 
I've still got Rose medals too. 

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And then, yeah, 23. 
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another 20 years afterwards? 
I left a bit of gap between it. 

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So you do. 
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personally, you do lots of 
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know you're a very keen hill 
runner as well. 

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Is that one of your favorite 
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types of running? 
I don't like roads, roads. 

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Roads are necessary evil. 
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when I'm trying to do training, 
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like intervals, things like 
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to try and get some of the 
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And I'll do it quite often if 
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because I don't know lots of 
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So the road's the easiest bit. 
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and get out onto the trails. 
It's just as I say, it's like 

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the natural habitat just found 
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And I think it's lots of time. 
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the countryside, so I'll have 
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the hills talking to probably 
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whatever animals there that will
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But that's more kind of 
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the trails. 
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Mogai that we're straight onto 
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there's just so many trails 
roundabout. 

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Yeah, I got into hill running a 
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Friends were like, come and try 
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He's like, no, no, no friends. 
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just what I'm doing anyway. 
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like running uphill that much, 
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so it's that necessary evil. 
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back down again. 
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Have you got any tricks to 
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I think it's just No Fear 
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into it you put the brakes on. 
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much unless it's like screen, 
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toes shorter. 
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of the slope or the the incline,
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where my toes arms flailing, 
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Let the arms go. 
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just like gravity do its thing. 
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where I'll probably maybe lean 
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heels and to get a bit more of a
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But the problem is if you put 
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you're either you're going to 
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going to fall over. 
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that in Lakeland 50. 
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I just went for it, met a guys I
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and then just went like that 
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this mud, no brakes. 
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with it. 
It'll work. 

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I think something sliding on 
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not? 
And I have done that many a time

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off the back of Dungoing Hell 
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getting more and more worn away 
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anything up there I do now just 
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down because it is the quickest 
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And Nikki said that you did. 
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she said. 
I think that you probably did 

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jewathlons. 
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What? 
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So that is running and biking. 
So it's run, bike, run. 

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I am not a swimmer. 
I will never say I'm a swimmer. 

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I will do triathlons, but the 
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it. 
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duathlon, I will much prefer to 
do that. 

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I got into those few years ago. 
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triathlon as it's already at the
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a swimmer, she's a fish, and I 
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triathlon events and it was an 
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it. 
She swam amazingly, went and 

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ran. 
Mommy, why don't you give it a 

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shot? 
Do I really have to? 

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So yeah, the first time I was 
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But then the good thing is I can
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again. 
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I can swim quite happily, just 
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breathing. 
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Glasgow, try Club and just 
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breathe. 
So now I can, I can swim. 

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I will never be fast. 
My aim is not to be last, which 

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I'm usually not now in the 
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But the good thing about it is 
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to run so I can then start 
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and then more on the run, which 
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But if I can, as I said, do 
Athlon is much better. 

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So if you do a Sprint that is 
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the event, it'll be a 5K run, 
about 20 K bike and then a 2 1/2

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which is 10K run, about 40K bike
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They're the main distances that 
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So would you say that you're 
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the bike in the running or would
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more what in fact I say is more 
stronger on a bike while they're

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Definitely run the run is where 

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I'm strongest that, so I'll 
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own. 
I know there's some very good 

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cyclists out there. 
I think it does help having a 

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very nice bike. 
I'm still trying to get someone 

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to nicely buy me a bike that's 
really expensive, but I've not 

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managed to get one who wants to 
give me a bike. 

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I'll happily accept it. 
Yeah, you could. 

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I think with cycling you can 
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of bikes to help with the speed 
as well. 

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I do. 
I've done a lot of work this 

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year, just especially for winter
with Swift. 

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It's good for running, it helps 
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training, especially if injured,
the bike is really good to take 

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the impact out, especially of 
your knees. 

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If you've got any leg issues, 
I'll take it out and do it on 

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the bike. 
So bike has got stronger, but 

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definitely run is the strongest 
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And that's where you find you'll
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jump off the bike and you'll 
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then at that point. 
Yeah, and the in thing for me is

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take a lead on the run. 
No, people probably pass me on 

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the bike, try not let too many 
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and try clean them back again. 
And you've been good enough to 

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be selected for GB Where's. 
That yeah, it was selected a 

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first a couple of years ago. 
I didn't been selected a few 

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I didn't go this year just 

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because I had Cape Wrath coming 
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I went last year and it's been 
the year before. 

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So I've been went and did the 
Sprint and Bilbao. 

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The good thing at this with this
European champs, I got selected 

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for the ones I qualified in. 
You can get to go see different 

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places that you probably 
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So it's really nice that way. 
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Oh my goodness, what is this all
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It was the whole kind of fear 
factor, monkey and shoulder, 

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you're going to come last. 
Look at all these amazing 

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athletes, what are you doing 
here? 

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But I actually held my own and I
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So I was really happy with that 
in the first year that I tried 

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it and that was a Sprint. 
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last year I went to Cayumbra 
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Then that's Portugal, another 
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and again I seem to finish 7th. 
Seems to be in a natural place. 

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Don't know. 
So I've now got my spot. 

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I've qualified again for next 
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to try possibly try qualify for 
standard as well and go and do 

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both. 
And is that like? 

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Is that like running the set 
events that will have qualifiers

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on it? 
Yes. 

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So they've got certain events 
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calendar, there's three for each
category for each distance and 

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then for each of its triathlon 
or duathlon and if it's 

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Europeans or what else. 
So you've just got to pick your 

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qualifiers and then go to them. 
Only issue being Scottish is, is

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hardly any of them up here. 
It's the only problem. 

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Mate, do you have any more 
questions on that subject before

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we move on back onto the run? 
Get get on to the important part

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about the cycling. 
So the meeting section of the 

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interview, you mentioned there 
Cape Wrath that you had entered 

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there and you took part in it 
last week. 

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So it's it's been quite the 
adventure that you've had even 

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for from signing up to the 
events that unfolded last week. 

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So what made you want to take on
such a massive event? 

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That's a really good question. 
I think just sheer stupidity. 

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How many years looking at this 
race going, why would people 

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ever do that? 
What is this all about? 

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I think it's probably the year 
that I signed up for the Flying 

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threw up all the way back down 
the side of Oklahoma and said I 

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was never doing it again and 
that that didn't last. 

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So I think I've done I've done W
Helen way raise and then I was 

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looking for the next challenge 
and I last year I knew people 

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that did it last year. 
I was like, well, they can do 

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it, I can do it. 
So I decided I was like, right, 

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I checked first of all, the main
thing was with hubby and granny 

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to go right. 
Am I allowed to go? 

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And granny, can you look after 
the kids when I do go? 

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So I got family sign off first 
of all, and also just so they 

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knew I was going to have to 
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And then that was it. 
It was just a long time just 

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getting the training done for it
because I was like, I don't 

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really know, although I'm a run 
coach. 

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I'm like, how do you train for a
multi day event? 

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What do you actually do? 
Which was a lot harder than just

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doing single days. 
And it was just very much 

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focusing on increasing the 
miles. 

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So I'm getting used to running 
on tired legs and then just 

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slowly building the mileage up 
each week and making sure I'm 

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getting the elevation because it
is, there's a lot of an 

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elevation in it. 
I think it's about 12. 

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Is it 12,000 meters overall? 
And then you've got forth at 400

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kilometers the full distance. 
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get there without being injured.
That was also my worry of like, 

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I do not want to break myself at
any point getting to that 

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position. 
Bit of a slight niggle a few 

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weeks before when I was doing 
the stucco crying race where I 

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seem to have pulled my glitz 
muscle, but I mean a bit of 

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physio to kind of fix that. 
And that was actually totally 

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fine for the whole thing. 
So that was kind of getting to 

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the race. 
So the race itself, I suppose I 

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spent a lot the first, the week 
before faffing. 

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How much faff can you possibly 
do with kits lying everywhere, 

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playroom floor covered 
checklists because there's a lot

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of mandatory kit you've got to 
take with you. 

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You've got hot stuff for hot 
weather stuff for cold weather, 

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just the general mandatory 
things. 

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Your camp clothing you've got 
the the bag that you must use is

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their bag and you're only 20 
kilos in it. 

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So I what's the weather? 
How many times can you check the

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weather forecast of T-shirts? 
Do I want shorts? 

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Do I want long sleeve? 
How many T-shirts do you even 

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want? 
Am I just going to be smelly? 

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Well as well, you know, you're 
not going to get a shower that 

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was an option in a few days. 
And then what food you take for 

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eight days because they'll 
provide your camp food. 

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So food in camp, then you've got
to work at what you want to eat 

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for each of the 8 days and take 
that with you. 

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So again, it was looking at that
going well, how long? 

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What's the distance each day? 
How long am I going to be out 

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for? 
What does that look like food 

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wise? 
What am I going to be thinking I

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want by that time, what will 
last? 

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So I couldn't make a whole lot 
of sandwiches because by day 5 

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or 6, they're probably nice and 
moldy. 

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That was quite a lot of the 
planning that went into it 

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beforehand. 
So yeah, a lot of time spent on 

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my spare and the playroom floor 
just covered and stuff until I 

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actually got it sorted. 
And then what we did was we went

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up to Fort Williams. 
That's where the start is on the

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Saturday. 
So you got up there, you get 

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your bag checked and weighed, 
came in at 15.5 kilos. 

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I'm like, I think I could 
actually have sold a kilo to 

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each person for like a tenner. 
People would have paid for it 

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because they were over. 
Was there a minimum or a maximum

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weight that you had to carry? 
Maximum 20 kilos in the bag that

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they take. 
So it's not in your running bag,

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but in the bag that goes to camp
each day. 

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So you have this massive bag 
that you fill with all of your, 

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you know, your clothes, your 
food, everything for the week 

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and they take that to camp and 
they move that each day for you.

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So that's the bag that had to 
start off with as under 20. 

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So they weigh it, they do your 
mandatory kit check, you'll get 

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your picture taken, the one 
that's using the tracker. 

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And then they do the big base 
briefing on that Saturday and 

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you get your little wristband 
and everything like that. 

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And then Sunday is D-Day where 
they take you down to you start 

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again in Fort William, there's 
two starts. 

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It's 11:00 and a 12:00. 
I was not paying any attention 

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when I was doing various entries
to pick a time. 

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So think all the keen, eager 
people go for 11 whatever, find 

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it up at 12. 
So put into the 12:00 one. 

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So you get your tracker. 
Basically you waved goodbye to 

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your family, which was husband 
and the youngest. 

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The youngest didn't actually get
the van. 

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Just like see you later. 
Can we go to McDonald's now? 

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I think that was kind of the 
question. 

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Or when can I get my second 
breakfast? 

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And then, yeah, on the ferry 
over this little ferry that goes

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over and then they'll give you, 
you get tea, coffee, biscuits, 

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and then it's start of day one. 
So yeah, that day one. 

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So that was running from that 
that Bay there all the way over 

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to Glenfinnan. 
So Glenfinnan Viaduct. 

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So you, you said you can go down
and across and up. 

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Don't ask me names and locations
because I'm pretty useless at 

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that, but. 
The weather was hot. 

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Shortest day out of the whole 8 
days. 

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No, I think the last day is the 
shortest day. 

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Right. 
Day one was, I can tell you that

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much. 
Hang on one second and I will 

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tell you what day. 
Day one because I was looking at

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earlier. 
I'm going to have to look at 

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strap by though to find it. 
While you're searching, did you 

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have a minimum calories that you
had to carry HD? 

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No. 
So it's just what? 

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You thought was a. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Then it just quite often they 
would check in the morning like 

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whatever they had decided was a 
random kit check. 

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They might say let's see your 
food, let's see this, let's see 

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that. 
But no, there was no, no maximum

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or minimum that you had to have.
The only one was in relation to 

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water. 
Now to make sure you had food on

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you, but water was the main 1. 
So standard you had to carry 1.5

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litres, but then hot weather 
they made you up that to 2.5 

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litres and then because of the 
way that we had, they docked it 

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to that level of 2.5. 
But what I opted for was 3 each 

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day simply because once you're 
out they don't give you water. 

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It's down to you to find water 
and because it's been so dry, 

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the streams were really dry, so 
you're not getting the amount of

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fresh running water that you 
would usually get. 

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So I prefer just to dissipate 
more and then work that down and

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then fill up rather than some 
people that I think somewhere 

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not going out with the 2 1/2 
litres they have not and they 

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were just having to find streams
continually to fill up. 

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I was like, I don't want that 
hassle. 

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I just want to know that I've 
got clean water and I'll last 

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for as long as possible. 
Did you take something to clean 

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the water or were you relying on
most hill water in Scotland? 

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I would drink it probably. 
Not. 

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Advisable to anybody else but. 
I well, my water that I took 

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with me with three liters was 
always from camp, so you always 

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knew that was fresh water. 
So that was fine. 

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But I did take tabs with me to 
clean the water if I did have to

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use it. 
Seeing that when I did, I 

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actually didn't use them because
I looked at the water. 

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I'm like, actually, you're, 
you're running free. 

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I'm totally happy with you. 
There might have been occasions 

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if you had been caught really 
short going right and this is 

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the best that it is. 
I will put tabs in, but I was OK

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with what I chose the water, but
it was there was some bits 

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showing there should be water 
running through here and there's

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absolutely nothing. 
It was really, really dry, 

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didn't. 
Even realise you could get tabs 

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like to sterile, I did something
I would never think of. 

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Like I know you can get these 
special bottles with straws with

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filters and things like that but
that's a really good idea. 

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I didn't realise you could get 
that. 

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Yeah, I think they've had 
problems. 

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I think depends where it is, 
because you never know if 

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there's a dead sheep further up 
or if it's near a bothy then 

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people have been staying in it. 
What else is in that water area.

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So it's just looking around and 
being a bit more cautious with 

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what it is and where it is. 
But it's, I mean, I was like, 

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no, the bits I got it, there was
no livestock anywhere. 

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There was nothing. 
That was just a nice fast 

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flowing stream like that'll do 
me. 

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Just as well, before we move on 
to the actual event, going 

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through it does 8 days and I 
would imagine you've looked at 

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each day at distance wise and 
things. 

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Did you do any sort of like 
simulations, like right, I'm 

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going to run this distance on 
one day and then I'm going to do

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a really long distance the next 
day and then I'm going to cut it

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short. 
Or was there anything in your 

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plan like that at all to kind of
simulate, as you're saying, the 

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tired legs and things? 
Not so much specifically the 

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same as what was in the race, 
but what I would quite often do 

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is say like a long run on a 
Saturday and then I go up a hill

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on a Sunday, right? 
So again, it's going, it's 

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another day, It's more 
elevation. 

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It's just tired legs rather than
going, right? 

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Well, this day is 30, this day 
is 50, right? 

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I'll do those. 
I was more going, right? 

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Let's just get out, just get the
tired legs, get the elevation, 

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and just kind of keep trying to 
simulate as much as possible. 

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Before the race, did you get a 
chance to wreck anything? 

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No, probably would have been a 
good idea. 

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Now I thought about it, but just
unfortunately it's the logistics

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of going up to Fort William. 
You're nearly three hours. 

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Then even getting onto probably 
decent bits of the of the trail,

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you're another probably another 
hour. 

446
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,880
You're talking about a full 
weekend. 

447
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,640
And I think I would probably 
been killed if I'd actually 

448
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,000
asked to vanish for a full 
weekend to go playing in the 

449
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,200
hills. 
So that was that was not going 

450
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,400
to happen. 
Yeah, bets in the West Highland 

451
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,760
way. 
A lot's been up the campuses, up

452
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:00,080
the Kilpatricks and quite a few 
hill races as well that I did to

453
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,480
try and kind of do as much 
simulation as I could without 

454
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,560
actually going on the on the 
route. 

455
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,360
Oh, I did do an awful lot on my 
turbo with YouTube. 

456
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,240
So I sat at Penn on my bike and 
watched some really good YouTube

457
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,360
videos of people running the 
Cape craft. 

458
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,320
So there's quite a lot of them 
up there. 

459
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,040
So I would pretend I was there 
and watched those to try to kind

460
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,560
of get an idea of what it was 
like. 

461
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,120
And as you say, like using the 
tumble, that's a really good 

462
00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:29,600
idea as well, you know, for all 
three of us up here. 

463
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,360
And it's like trying to fit any 
sort of training and for 

464
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:34,680
anything. 
A lot of the time. 

465
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,960
I think it's quite hard for a 
lot of people like with 

466
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,000
childcare and what have you. 
So I think the tumble, it just 

467
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,280
takes a bit of stress off that 
you can jump on it for however 

468
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,880
long and you are still there. 
Yeah, it definitely helps for 

469
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,480
for the kids for that. 
And for me a lot of the joggling

470
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,960
goes round going out early in 
the morning so that I'm back in 

471
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,640
time for then doing any 
activities or so say I've got 

472
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,400
one that's a swimmer. 
Quite often we can be at 

473
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,640
swimming competitions all 
weekend. 

474
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,480
For anyone that knows swim 
meets, you spend 8 hours at a 

475
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,720
pool, you watch them swim for 
about 30 seconds, then you've 

476
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,200
got about four hours wait, then 
you watch them swim for a 

477
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,760
minute, then you've got an hour 
away. 

478
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,960
So what I would often do is go 
right, I've watched your swim, 

479
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,240
I'll be back and then vanish out
for a run and then come back and

480
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,960
do the supportive parenting. 
And I juggle quite a lot of runs

481
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,840
around whichever random place I 
was in and a swim competition. 

482
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,160
It's a great way to utilize your
time as well. 

483
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,200
That's a really good time 
management tip as well. 

484
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,680
It's the only way to do it. 
I'm like, if you're trying to 

485
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,040
juggle it, see if you only have 
half an hour, half an hour, 

486
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,120
better than nothing. 
Just go, you can use it. 

487
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,880
And if it's half an hour, I'll 
go right intervals. 

488
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,160
Let's get some speed sessions 
done. 

489
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,920
That's that's a productive way 
to use that time, definitely. 

490
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,680
So going back to your day one. 
Right. 

491
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,760
And then I found it day one. 
I have got via my watch which is

492
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:05,360
I have a Chorus 1 and Strava 
says 34.56 kilometres and 785 

493
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,840
metres elevation. 
So it started off that was quite

494
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,520
nice. 
Well, it starts off about 10K on

495
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,240
roads, so slightly different. 
And then you head onto a track 

496
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,200
kind of trail. 
And then there's one particular,

497
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,360
it's that kind of long on a long
gradual climb and then one hill 

498
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,160
and it's one was main hill in 
it. 

499
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,040
And then you're you're down the 
other side. 

500
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,760
And then all the way into 
Glenfinnan. 

501
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,960
It was I was running with Emma, 
Emma Mikhail. 

502
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,760
She finished actually third in 
Cape Graf. 

503
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,880
Emma and I are both westies and 
we ended up just, we started 

504
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,400
together and we just ran 
together full time going. 

505
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,040
I think we're running a bit 
fast, but we feel fine. 

506
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,360
Then we go, right, we should 
walk this bit, let's walk this 

507
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,320
bit. 
Should we walk this bit? 

508
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,000
And then we started catching up 
with some of the people from the

509
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,760
11 O clocks as well. 
So we started passing some of 

510
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,720
those. 
But again, we didn't know how we

511
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,080
were doing. 
We just ran because it's the way

512
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:06,000
it felt throwing up the big 
hill. 

513
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,720
I got I was starting to feel a 
bit, it's just too hot. 

514
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,840
I don't do heat. 
And Emma, you can tell I was 

515
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,440
like, Emma, just crack on, away 
you go. 

516
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,560
So she kind of went on ahead of 
me at that point. 

517
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,160
So just. 
Yeah, it was it was too warm as 

518
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,920
we're all both going. 
It's just too warm. 

519
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,280
We did get to see an adder that 
day in the trail. 

520
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,120
And I always heard about adders,
and I've never actually seen 

521
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:30,160
one. 
And there was massive adder 

522
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,400
cuddled up in the middle of the 
trail, sunbathing. 

523
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,480
No, I'm going. 
There's an adder. 

524
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,760
That was an adder. 
Oh, I should have got a picture,

525
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,800
but it wasn't in the back. 
Never got my picture of that 

526
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,080
one. 
Yeah. 

527
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,080
So she into Glennon, it was 
lovely, took just under 4 hours 

528
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,680
and it was the viaduct was right
behind into the stream for a 

529
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,760
wash because that was the only 
washing facilities and then just

530
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,720
started getting sorted. 
So that was the first day in 

531
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,760
camp. 
So it's like oh, where's my 

532
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,800
camp, where's my tent? 
So we've each allocated a tent, 

533
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,240
each tent sleeps 8 and it's like
4 pods of two. 

534
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,160
There was a runner missing in my
tent and just the way it worked 

535
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,600
out, I ended up getting a repod 
myself. 

536
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Wasn't clean. 
So they put your big bag in your

537
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,440
tent. 
And so to me, it was very much 

538
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,640
race admin when you get in and 
it was the same for every day. 

539
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
I would just get in, take like 
my shoes. 

540
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,240
You can take them into your 
tent. 

541
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Had to be left outside, Take my 
shoes and my bag off. 

542
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,160
Go in, throw out my sleeping bag
in my room mat, get them out, 

543
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,320
find my clothes. 
As I was pulling out clothes for

544
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,340
like putting on, I'd also go 
right where there's tomorrow's 

545
00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:41,520
T-shirt, there's tomorrow's this
dirty things straight in. 

546
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
I did actually do quite a lot of
the admin just sorting out at 

547
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,400
that moment in time before I go 
get a a wash. 

548
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,240
They did a nice little 
whirligigs to hang your washing 

549
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,520
your stinky stuff on to dry it 
off. 

550
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,120
So hang your things up and then 
it was as was one of the 

551
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,160
priorities. 
Find your cutlery in your bowl 

552
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,600
because you had to take that. 
That was always packed. 

553
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,720
I worked this out. 
Pack it at the top, especially 

554
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,800
the cup, to go get the chips. 
And for anyone that goes in Cape

555
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Wrath, no, the chips are the 
best chips you'll ever have. 

556
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,440
Ever. 
So get the bowl of chips, salty 

557
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,440
chips and a cup of tea and then 
you'd basically just kind of 

558
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,160
kick one round chips and tea, 
chips and tea until food came 

559
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,800
out and then you get your 
dinner. 

560
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,760
It was all vegetarian, which is 
fine for me because I'm veggie. 

561
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Think if you could probably what
my goodness is no meat, totally 

562
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,120
fine, food was good. 
Then what you would do is in the

563
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,480
main room you could charge had a
big Bank of like power packs or 

564
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,840
things to charge. 
You could charge all your 

565
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,520
devices like phones and watches 
and everything lying. 

566
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,520
And then you could get your race
mail. 

567
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,400
So on the timing people could on
the timing app, you could leave 

568
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,960
me messages and you would go and
give them the number. 

569
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,480
And then you get this big print 
out of like nice messages sure 

570
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,280
did that as well and just catch 
up with anyone. 

571
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,800
And then you get see the medics 
and like that as well. 

572
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:09,000
So that was all done in camp. 
So 34 Ki think it was you said 

573
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,440
yeah. 
What had you planned to eat that

574
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,960
day and did you eat it of? 
Course not. 

575
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,320
I thought I was drinking really 
well, you know, What were you 

576
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,880
thinking? 
I think was just having a camel 

577
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,920
pack on. 
You're never quite sure. 

578
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,920
I was like, they're not 
drinking. 

579
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,560
But then you got pulled the 
water out. 

580
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,800
You're like, well, no, I wasn't.
No, I did have. 

581
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,440
So I'd taken a few gels, boom 
bars because I do like the boom 

582
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,360
bars because they're not sticky 
like gels, but they're light 

583
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,520
gels. 
And I think flapjack, possibly I

584
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080
might have been in. 
I like my flapjacks, especially 

585
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,600
39 P Home Bargains ones or a 
bargain. 

586
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,600
So I did munch. 
I did. 

587
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,560
I did eat things because I was 
good. 

588
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,320
I did eat but just not as much 
as I had put in my wee bag. 

589
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,120
But I think my thought was given
we don't have like drop bags and

590
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,880
I'm not going to pick anything 
up, it's better to have too much

591
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
than too little. 
And then I just roll it on to 

592
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,840
the next day. 
But I think the first day it was

593
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,960
I didn't drink enough and I 
thought I had. 

594
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,720
So did you learn that lesson on 
the days after that? 

595
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Then when you seen that I 
thought, right, I'm going to 

596
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,280
really need to up my hydration 
for last in the next few days 

597
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,520
here. 
Yeah, I think the first day 

598
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,000
didn't really matter as much 
because it was under 4 hours and

599
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,120
I was drinking. 
But I was like, I know the next 

600
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,840
days are longer and I know I 
need to make sure I'm staying 

601
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,240
hydrated because alcohol often 
get a really sore head as well 

602
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,040
from running in the heat. 
So I was good as I'm using 

603
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,440
precision hydration tabs as 
well. 

604
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,000
So I was putting one of them in 
my back. 

605
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Well actually put two of them in
my backpack in the bladder. 

606
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,120
So I always had them on tap and 
then I had water and like my 

607
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,080
soft flask at the front. 
So it was really just trying to 

608
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,320
drink between the two of them. 
And eventually once in the 

609
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,040
latter days, I was like every 
kilometer, just make sure I'm 

610
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,080
drinking like a couple of steps 
every kilometer to me just to 

611
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,040
kind of keep the regularity. 
And even it was just a couple, I

612
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,440
was like, it's still more just 
getting back into me. 

613
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,360
So each day, each morning, is it
a set start time that you have 

614
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,560
to start or can you go out when 
you wake up? 

615
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,400
You can go out anytime between 
7:00 AM and 9:00 AM. 

616
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,360
The really super fast people, 
they are kind of given times to 

617
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,040
go out at, as in like you can't 
go out until after 8:00 or 

618
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,920
something like that. 
The reason being is that as I 

619
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,920
described, at camp's amazing, 
but they've got to move camp. 

620
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,680
So they don't want the Super 
fast people to go out at 7 and 

621
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,760
get into camp before camp's even
set up. 

622
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,320
So they've got a bit of a delay 
for when they go out and that 

623
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,680
gives people, obviously the camp
people, time to dismantle camp 

624
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,840
and then get to the new camp. 
I predominantly chose to start 

625
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,640
at 7:00 Day 2. 
I just wanted it because the 

626
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,600
forecast said it was going to be
really hot and sunny. 

627
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,880
I don't like hot and sunny. 
So my thought was let's get out 

628
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,440
as early as possible to avoid as
much of the midday sun as I can.

629
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,120
Day 2 It was a big day as well 
though, was it not? 

630
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:23,199
Day 2 was day 2 was 56 
kilometres. 

631
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,639
Now they lied to me at one 
point. 

632
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,400
I was like, I saw, saw some 
people. 

633
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,800
I was like, right, where's the 
finish? 

634
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Just around the corner, about a 
kilometre to go. 

635
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,880
And I'm like heard that old 
chestnut before. 

636
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:39,480
So was not to go. 
So it was yeah, 56 kilometres. 

637
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,440
And I've got 2149 metres 
elevation on that one. 

638
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,840
And did that feel like 2000 
meters of elevation that day? 

639
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,880
I think, yeah, for that day we 
went out. 

640
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Glenfinnan, you went along and 
then you went up. 

641
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,679
And that is the one where I got 
caught in video. 

642
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,320
I had this climb and the sun was
beating down and I was climbing 

643
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,520
up and then all you hear is that
drone, that drone noise as you 

644
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,120
drone above my head. 
I've got to smile and not like, 

645
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,960
look like I'm swearing a lot as 
I'm like marching on up the hill

646
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,800
and then the cameraman's at the 
top because he's always at the 

647
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640
top of a hill to look at you, 
you know, grabs a smile again. 

648
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,520
Yeah, that was quite a long up. 
And then it ended up running 

649
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,640
with couldn't. 
The guy was German. 

650
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,640
We kept bumping it, like he 
would catch me in and up and go 

651
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,840
past me and then down a flat I'd
catch him and it was like tag 

652
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,320
team the whole way along. 
And certain bits where there 

653
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,360
wasn't the path you were relying
on the GPX to go. 

654
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,600
We know we're going somewhere 
that direction, how we're going 

655
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,720
to get there. 
So yeah, it was really nice. 

656
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:50,040
It was, I say it was good old 
campsites, so a bit of bog, but 

657
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,960
a flat crossing. 
Yeah, I quite like Day 2. 

658
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,480
And then the final bits, Oh no, 
we came down. 

659
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,600
I'm now remembering what Day 2 
was. 

660
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,800
It's coming back to me. 
There's a lovely bit we can do 

661
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,600
with a beach section, long 
lovely rocks and to clamber some

662
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,520
of that. 
And then there was this open bit

663
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,320
where the Loch went into Little 
Stream and I didn't see it and 

664
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,920
he just shouted deer and I 
looked over and I was there 

665
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,560
about 10 to 15 deer just having 
the weekdays. 

666
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,840
Then not long after that, 
Marcus, who won it came flying 

667
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,120
past Bye and then a massive big 
aircraft. 

668
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,560
This there was a must be RAF 
exercise and military exercise. 

669
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,600
This massive plane came over, 
but it was like so slow. 

670
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,960
It was like it's going to fall 
out the sky. 

671
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,720
That then came over that part. 
Yeah, it was quite, I did quite 

672
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:44,080
like day 2 because then it 
finished off with his lovely, I 

673
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,880
would say quite like Traily 
running along the edge of the 

674
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,240
lock as we came in and that was 
really, really nice. 

675
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,600
Although that's the bit I was 
lied to and to camp, although 

676
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,720
that was the camp with midges, a
lot of midges that evening. 

677
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,440
And day 2 is where you took the 
lead. 

678
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,680
Wasn't at the female lead? 
Yeah, it wasn't. 

679
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,920
But like looking at the timings 
I remember it wasn't by a lot 

680
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,040
was it? 
No, it wasn't between Emma and 

681
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,200
I. 
So on day one it had finished 

682
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,560
with there was Florence in the 
lead, then it was Emma and then 

683
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,360
myself. 
And then going into day 2 it 

684
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,280
switched because Emma and I 
weren't running together in day 

685
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,120
2. 
And it turned out just looking 

686
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,160
at it, there was, there's quite 
literally a minute in it between

687
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,360
Emma and I. 
Yeah. 

688
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,000
The way the way day 2 worked out
and again, I wasn't, I wasn't 

689
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,600
running for place. 
I was, I was running the way I 

690
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,080
felt and I felt comfortable. 
So I just kind of kept running 

691
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,720
and just like, let's just see 
what happens. 

692
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,600
And how did how did that feel 
like? 

693
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,760
Did I take it you got told that 
that night or you seen it? 

694
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,960
Yeah, When you start doing the 
checks to see, oh, how did it 

695
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,120
go? 
Once everyone's coming in, 

696
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,960
you're like, I'm like, oh, 
that's quite nice. 

697
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,680
I'm like, but on, on now the 
pressure's on. 

698
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,320
You always get that wee feeling 
of pressure. 

699
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,600
It's actually quite nice to 
further down when you've not got

700
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,680
that feeling of pressure because
you're like, I'm going to have 

701
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,360
to try and do something here and
do I want to try and maintain 

702
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,880
it? 
What what is the possible? 

703
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,320
But I was like, I'm just going 
to take each day and see how it 

704
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,400
comes and if it's day, there I 
stay. 

705
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,160
If I don't, I don't. 
But I'll just enjoy it, do it. 

706
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,080
Well, I can and say I'm 
currently first. 

707
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Being in the leaders makes party
and I always think that I just 

708
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040
feel as though I think if that 
was ever me, that would be too 

709
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,600
much pressure. 
So it's it's quite cool. 

710
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,120
You know, Emma and I did laugh 
at it. 

711
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:39,000
So we knew it was between the 
between the two of us at that 

712
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
point of time. 
You're saying about the 

713
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,160
aircraft, I think, and I could 
be totally wrong, there's a NATO

714
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,360
exercise on that week. 
So there's like various European

715
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,600
countries all doing an exercise 
and all around Cape Wrath 

716
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,920
there's lots of MOD land. 
So that was probably what you 

717
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,720
saw. 
Yeah, it was a big plane. 

718
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,440
So in camp is quite a lot of 
goods, like social vibes between

719
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,960
you said that you and them. 
I had a bit of a laugh that 

720
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,000
there was a man in it. 
Yeah, yeah, it was quite, they 

721
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,800
were lovely because a lot, a lot
of people did know and then a 

722
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,960
lot of people didn't know. 
But everyone just got on so well

723
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,880
and just made a lot of new 
friends that are already going. 

724
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,560
Well, let's try catch up 
afterwards. 

725
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Let's go for a run as well. 
So no, everyone was really nice 

726
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,160
and if things weren't going 
right, they were having a good 

727
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,440
chat about it. 
Yeah, it was really nice vibes 

728
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,960
and the same in your tents, 
getting to know the other people

729
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,680
in your tent and tune of 
cheating them on as well. 

730
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,040
Especially when some of them 
maybe went from the main event. 

731
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,680
I think it timed out and then 
stepped down to the Explorer. 

732
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,760
Then again, you just thought, 
oh, what are you doing today? 

733
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,120
I'm just having a good chat 
about it really. 

734
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,440
And make a good documentary, I 
think unless there's one being 

735
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,200
made and I've not, I'm not aware
of it. 

736
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,760
There's lots of different ones 
about it, yeah, but it'd be 

737
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,960
quite good to do make another 
one from it. 

738
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,560
Like a Big Brother kind of 
scenario. 

739
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,880
See, when you finish any day and
you get back to camp, are you 

740
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
allowed? 
Like as long as I've got camp 

741
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,160
set up you're not too fast. 
Can you eat at any time for 

742
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,720
their food and how much can you 
have? 

743
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:29,280
Do they set how much food you're
allowed or eat whatever you 

744
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,080
want? 
You can eat as much as you want.

745
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,080
There's always chips usually 
seem to be always chips and soup

746
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,640
seem to be the two things you 
could always get. 

747
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,240
And then dinner, I think always 
get served from 6:00. 

748
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,520
So that's when the dinner came 
out. 

749
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,800
It wasn't really, you didn't 
really get a choice. 

750
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,600
It was this is what dinner is. 
So it would be like, I have to 

751
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,880
think now, say like there was a 
Curry with rice, naan bread and 

752
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,960
then salad and then they'd be 
dessert as well. 

753
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,760
So it was a good and then you 
could go back up as well many 

754
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,800
times. 
And did you have the menu before

755
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,480
you got there? 
No. 

756
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,760
What were the desserts you got? 
Talus. 

757
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,840
The first one was sticky, Light,
Sticky toffee. 

758
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,920
That was just about every night.
There was one night, I can't 

759
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,080
remember what it was, it was 
chocolate roll and custard, but 

760
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,000
I was not feeling the love for 
food that night and that was 

761
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,080
off. 
Actually I can't remember which 

762
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,360
day it was, but the custard went
down really well. 

763
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,760
And on my final night they did 
bring out the apple crumble and 

764
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,520
ice cream and that is a 
favorite. 

765
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,280
But then it also tree bakes as 
well, so you can go get tree 

766
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,400
bakes. 
I think I would have been happy 

767
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,160
with any of them. 
Yeah, yes. 

768
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,400
So it always was a good 
selection of Kate's. 

769
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,440
So day three, How long was day 
three? 

770
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,080
Day three is what they class as 
the long day. 

771
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,160
It's not the longest in terms of
distance, but it's the long, 

772
00:41:54,200 --> 00:42:03,120
it's the hardest day. 
So it was 65 K or 65.8 and 2813 

773
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,440
meters elevation. 
On that day. 

774
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,000
Emma and I just, we actually sit
out together and we just stuck 

775
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,960
together for a very, very long 
time just kind of keeping each 

776
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,040
other going. 
And we were saying this quite 

777
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,640
often, going, you're keeping me 
going or you're keeping me 

778
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,840
going. 
I'm like, oh, and you go ahead. 

779
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,160
No, no, no, no, no. 
And I think we were dragging 

780
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,120
each other through. 
It was hot. 

781
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,600
It was very hot that day. 
And it was just continually 

782
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,120
filling up with water where we 
could. 

783
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,360
There was a lovely, lovely 
waterfall we always get the 

784
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,200
pictures at. 
There wasn't really a huge 

785
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,600
amount of water in it. 
I do remember that part going, 

786
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,040
oh, is that supposed to be that 
really nice waterfall? 

787
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,360
But I feel I need to go back and
see it. 

788
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,760
But it was such a hot day. 
It did luckily cool down later 

789
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,560
on and then we got this lovely 
section again. 

790
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,160
I really should actually learn 
the names. 

791
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,440
It was more towards the end I'd 
taken in, I'd overtaken Emma on 

792
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,640
an uphill and then it was a flat
and it was a downhill because 

793
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,480
she always used to take me in 
the ups and I would take her on 

794
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,280
the downs this downhill. 
And I just managed to just, it 

795
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,160
was a nice downhill for me and I
just kept going for a long dash,

796
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,920
long way and it was just nice 
and undulating the cloud to come

797
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880
over. 
And I was at that point the 

798
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,520
tunes I think came on because I 
was like, right, we're now 10 

799
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,880
hours and I'm thinking I think a
wee bit of music. 

800
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,920
That was the first time I've 
actually put my tunes on. 

801
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,920
Need a wee bit of music at this 
point. 

802
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,680
And then reached the checkpoint 
and it was mountain rescuers 

803
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,720
there and I was like how far to 
go. 

804
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:39,040
I remember going 16 K and I'm 
like my watch was telling me 10.

805
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,480
I did have a jokingly swear 
because I did swear quite a lot 

806
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,320
in the race. 
Luckily they were, it was not 

807
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,560
16, it was only about 10. 
Then it was like a track and 

808
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,000
then it was the final uphill. 
Now that uphill was absolutely 

809
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,880
horrendous. 
I think by that point, you know,

810
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,960
that way when you're probably 
done nearly 11 hours and you're 

811
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,200
like another hill into this, but
I can see people coming behind 

812
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,120
me. 
I'm like, I'm just going to keep

813
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,760
going. 
And then the downhill on day 

814
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,040
three. 
So this is great downhill. 

815
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,200
And then the downhill wasn't, it
was so technical and then we got

816
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,120
into this, but it was like 
chicaning all the way down. 

817
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,200
It wasn't really a track, but 
there was like the grassy 

818
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,520
hillside. 
I was like, I'm just going back 

819
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,920
to being a hill runner. 
And I was like off this trail 

820
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,120
and I just went down the hill 
instead. 

821
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,080
Got eventually through all of 
that to the bottom. 

822
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,440
And he actually then made you do
a river crossing. 

823
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,920
I was like, I kept my feet 
pretty dry until now. 

824
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,960
So through river crossing into 
camp, but that was that actually

825
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,160
felt good to get across that 
into camp with the river 

826
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,120
crossing and then going back to 
the river to get washed, which 

827
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,400
is quite nice. 
So and it was the longest day 

828
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,120
that took over over 11 hours. 
Was it nearly 12 hours? 

829
00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:00,360
I think at two. 
No, no, not quite 12 hours for 

830
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,480
that one. 
So that was that was a long day,

831
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,200
but it felt it felt good. 
It was a nice one. 

832
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,480
When we came in, it was the sun 
was the sun was shining. 

833
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,440
It's a nice camp. 
The midges did love that camp as

834
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,720
well. 
It's another midgy midgy haven 

835
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,200
for them. 
For day three, then it's like 

836
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,120
the longest and hardest day. 
They're saying you've already 

837
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,040
got day one and two mileage 
under your belt. 

838
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:27,640
How did you have any mental 
coping strategies when you went 

839
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,840
to? 
Did you go to a DART place or 

840
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,680
the pain cave or anything? 
I think day three was actually 

841
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,680
the only bit was going up that 
final uphill because I just kept

842
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,720
feeling like I wanted to be 
sick. 

843
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,640
But I think it was just the he 
and just exhaustion by that 

844
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,360
point and I could see the top of
it. 

845
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,280
I wasn't, but I think that was 
the only bit. 

846
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,440
But I quite happily had my tunes
on, so they just kind of kept me

847
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,280
going. 
I think that was probably it. 

848
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,280
And then coming down, really, I 
can see camp. 

849
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,320
You've just given me the hardest
blooming downhill to get to 

850
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,960
camp. 
So annoying. 

851
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,680
You can see it's like doing the 
West high long way. 

852
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,560
You can see Kinlaw Cleveland. 
It's a blooming long way away, 

853
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,600
but you can see it. 
You've just got to try and get 

854
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,080
to it. 
It's a bit like that. 

855
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,880
So yeah, eventually made it 
down. 

856
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,000
That was the hardest that I 
think on day three, but quite a 

857
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,480
lot of it actually started 
enjoying with it. 

858
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,920
It wasn't the worst. 
And I think the main thing with 

859
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,360
day three is because people say 
day three, if you go over day 

860
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,080
three, you're fine. 
So I was like, right, actually 

861
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,960
day three is done. 
It's not as bad. 

862
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,200
It's done. 
That's it in the bag. 

863
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,280
When you say you had Emma's 
company as well, did you have a 

864
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,080
for long gone day three or were 
there quite a lot of long 

865
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,440
stretches where you were 
yourself or were you with people

866
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,080
for a lot? 
Of it, a lot of it, it was Emma 

867
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,480
and I. 
I'd probably see about 8 hours 

868
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,600
at least with Emma. 
The two of us just kept going. 

869
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,120
There might be little bits where
one of us would go ahead, like 

870
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,640
she quite often we go ahead in 
the uphill, but then she would 

871
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,200
know that I would catch her in 
the downhill. 

872
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,560
And that's just what we said is 
like you just go because I'll 

873
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,360
come and get you. 
Yeah. 

874
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,920
And that's just the way we 
worked it. 

875
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,040
And we just, yeah, kept going 
together, which was nice. 

876
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,520
And how? 
Was your food that day and the 

877
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,360
hydration? 
That was much better. 

878
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,880
I well, what the good thing on 
day three as you go, well, 

879
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,280
seeing that you go through, you 
go past a shop. 

880
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,160
They were like there's a shop 
you can get a coffee. 

881
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,640
Brilliant. 
So we passed this first V1 and 

882
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,880
then there was like another one 
further on. 

883
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,400
We're like, well, stop at that 
one went in and we're like just 

884
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,120
went dying. 
Went need a coke. 

885
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,960
I want a coke. 
Not a problem. 

886
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,840
We've got Fentimons original 
Coca-Cola. 

887
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,960
That is not a can of Coke. 
I was not impressed at all. 

888
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,360
Really not impressed up with 
that. 

889
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,080
I did not do the trick. 
Well, actually I did. 

890
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,880
I went down very, very quickly 
and then I bought another bottle

891
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,080
of water there and filled up the
water at that point as well. 

892
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,480
So I knew I had three on me. 
That was another litre. 

893
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,560
So that was gonna brought me up 
to four and then I filled up for

894
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,280
the last couple of hours another
with a stream water. 

895
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,440
So that was 4 1/2 litres that I 
had. 

896
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,880
So I was like and I drank all of
that. 

897
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,480
So I was like, I think that's 
pretty good going for me. 

898
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,200
And it was that the the the gap 
had widened, hadn't it? 

899
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,440
By that point it. 
Had widened, not ridiculously 

900
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,680
so. 
I was sitting at 2411, Emma was 

901
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,440
2426 so 15 minutes between US 
and then Sarah was sitting 

902
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:30,040
behind in 2439, so I had half an
hour and Sarah at that point so 

903
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,880
I had slightly widened. 
And how was your sleep on the 

904
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,040
first three days? 
How did you manage to sleep in 

905
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,720
camp? 
First one was fine. 

906
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Then I remember one night I was 
getting the legs were getting, 

907
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,520
the calves were getting a bit 
crampy but I just put my calf 

908
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,880
sleeves on so as soon as I put 
them on they were OK. 

909
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Then at another night where I 
sunburned on the backs of my 

910
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,600
calves. 
Because you're travelling N the 

911
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,360
whole time the sun's in the back
of you quite a lot of it so you 

912
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,880
don't really. 
It's not like you feel it as 

913
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,400
much, but it's not on your face.
But I hadn't realized how 

914
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,600
sunburnt the backs and my legs 
and my calves had been. 

915
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,960
So they were like radiating 
heat. 

916
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,120
So I had to take my bottoms off 
just to actually let the heat 

917
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,120
escape. 
So that was the only problem. 

918
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,280
And then I remember the final 
morning, some guys in a tent 

919
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,080
through but must have got up at 
about half four or five and 

920
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,320
we're talking and you're like, 
shut up. 

921
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,320
Really. 
No, it's too early. 

922
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,760
Some people would get up at 5:00
to get ready to take them, two 

923
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,000
hours to get ready to leave at 
7:00. 

924
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,600
And I was like, no, not me. 
Did you have earplugs or 

925
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,240
anything like that with you? 
I did. 

926
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,520
I've managed to acquire them. 
I travel quite a lot with work 

927
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,360
and I've managed to acquire up 
here for these eventualities. 

928
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,080
So yes, they did eventually go 
in. 

929
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,480
I think Dave would have had put 
them in because we're also near 

930
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,960
the toilets. 
And then as you all know, like 

931
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Portaluze, that door slam, 
that's quite annoying as well. 

932
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,680
Yeah. 
And about your sleep, did you 

933
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,680
sleeping bag, was it too hot for
it? 

934
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Did you have a row mat or what 
were you? 

935
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,120
Sleeping. 
Yeah. 

936
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,480
Luckily, her friend Mary, she's 
really good. 

937
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,480
I was like, Mary, I need these 
things, please, have you got 

938
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,960
them? 
She's like, yes, so you have to 

939
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,240
buy them. 
So she gave me a really good row

940
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:21,240
mat, a bit inflated, a sleeping 
bag that went really small as 

941
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,400
well, just because it had to fit
in the kit bag. 

942
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,360
So I know it's perfect. 
I was nice and toasty the whole 

943
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,400
time. 
It wasn't too hot, wasn't apart 

944
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,560
from the day when my calves are 
radiating heat. 

945
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,600
I think I was just right, 
whereas a lot of people had 

946
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:34,840
complained they were really 
cold. 

947
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,000
Seeing camp at night as well. 
How? 

948
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,960
Like the days were really really
hot. 

949
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,040
Did it ever get really, really 
cold at night? 

950
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,080
Well, I would usually ask him 
that I am a cold person. 

951
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,600
I would put yeah like trackies 
on. 

952
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,080
I would then have like my hoodie
and then often I would go put my

953
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,320
jacket on as well. 
Some people are wearing hats 

954
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,920
because it did get cold in the 
evenings. 

955
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,600
So you said there. 
Spoiler alert, final day, Day 4.

956
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,680
Yeah, day 4, the day it all went
wrong. 

957
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,360
Day four, day 4 was actually 
going really well. 

958
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,920
I like I felt fantastic. 
It was like day three when I got

959
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,760
up and started in the morning. 
I've been feeling really quite 

960
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,680
sick and just not I think I just
it was already occurred just a 

961
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,880
bit tired, but day four got felt
amazing. 

962
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,320
I didn't leave until like 7:20, 
so I thought, right, it's a 

963
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,560
shorter day, I'm not going to go
out, You know, I don't need to 

964
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,280
go out as early. 
It's 30. 

965
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:39,160
It was 34 K, only 1 1/2 thousand
meters elevations. 

966
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,760
I'm like right, it should take 
me about 6 hours, so let's not 

967
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,200
bother with 7:00. 
I think it went extended to like

968
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,160
7:30. 
So I was like feeling absolutely

969
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,280
amazing so. 
Before you, before you go on and

970
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,280
spoil the story or tell us the 
story, how how were you feeling?

971
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,160
Amazing. 
What were you doing to recover 

972
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,120
each day I. 
Don't actually know what 

973
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,040
happened in day 4, but well, 
what as I said, usually come in,

974
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,680
I get the camp admin done. 
I would get my food, I just rest

975
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:11,160
up, do a bit of stretching, just
taking a bit easier. 

976
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,160
I think we bit stretched and did
definitely did help with it. 

977
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,400
But just generally I actually 
felt quite good. 

978
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:20,800
I don't know, it was just a bit 
weird. 

979
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,120
I was like, actually I feel like
I can run, shouldn't be able to 

980
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,560
run, you know, at that point, 
probably 160 KN or something 

981
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:27,440
like that. 
But I did. 

982
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,840
I felt fine. 
So it was just like another day 

983
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,880
to go out plod along. 
It started off along the roads 

984
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,800
where the Midget, that was a 
Midget morning. 

985
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,600
It was you put the sun tan 
lotion on and then you were 

986
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:45,440
black. 
So it was yeah, the along the 

987
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,400
road and then started going up 
the hill. 

988
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,280
Felt amazing going up there and 
then Yep, down down to a bit 

989
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,360
that it's only afterwards I 
actually realized I'd actually 

990
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,200
been there before. 
So you did about must have been 

991
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,600
about 14K something like that to
checkpoints. 

992
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,200
And that's the first cut off 
part. 

993
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,760
So I never realized that when I 
did a Kelp Man solo triathlon, I

994
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,040
actually ran down the hill to 
that car park and down the road.

995
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,760
So it's only afterwards I 
thought I've done this. 

996
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,960
But before going up there again,
looking behind, taking pictures,

997
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,960
videos, everything like that 
felt amazing. 

998
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,720
And then a bit 18K. 
I'm like, I've got a wee bit of 

999
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,920
my pain in my shin, but I was 
like, it's probably just because

1000
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,440
I'm going up, still going up. 
This is the second hill that 

1001
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,000
we've got to go up, really wear 
22 climbs. 

1002
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,000
And then you come to some 
amazing like watery thing at the

1003
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,040
top. 
Again, non-technical term for 

1004
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,160
that. 
They look nice. 

1005
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,720
And I was like, right, it's a 
wee bit sore, but should ease 

1006
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:44,920
off. 
It's probably just up hills. 

1007
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,040
So once you go to the top, 
hopefully start getting a bit 

1008
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,040
flat and it'll ease off. 
But it didn't. 

1009
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,160
So I got up there kind of 
hobbling along. 

1010
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,880
Come on, we've got a nice 
downhill. 

1011
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,760
But let's just say it was not a 
nice downhill. 

1012
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,920
There was absolutely no path, no
track, no nothing, rocky, 

1013
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,960
everything. 
It was the gnarliest thing 

1014
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,800
possible for a good, I'd 
probably say 4 or 5K of just 

1015
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,560
you've just got to try and make 
a path across whatever you can 

1016
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,600
following the GPX line. 
But the leg was just getting 

1017
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,040
sorer and sorer that anytime try
to put the weight on it. 

1018
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,080
I was using poles and I was 
basically just becoming reliant 

1019
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,320
on the poles and I can't run. 
So I knew at this point looking 

1020
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,280
around, the only there's two 
options. 

1021
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,360
One was helicopter because it's 
only been able to get anyone off

1022
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,400
from up there. 
And the second we just have to 

1023
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,920
keep walking. 
So I just kind of head down, 

1024
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,600
kept plodding. 
They head down with a few tears,

1025
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,520
kept plodding. 
Few people that know what came 

1026
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,120
past and they're like how you 
doing? 

1027
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,600
Why am I running next year? 
You should not be here. 

1028
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,160
Quite a lot of people were 
saying this. 

1029
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,960
I should not be overtaking you. 
Yeah, few, quite a few hugs. 

1030
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,560
And then they just kind of, they
keep going. 

1031
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,600
I got to the final little uphill
before the downhill. 

1032
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,400
And I'd actually tried to phone 
Reese HQ because I was like, I 

1033
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,600
want someone to come and 
actually, can someone just come 

1034
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,720
and walk down with me because 
I'm this is just so sore. 

1035
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,080
But of course, there's no 
signal. 

1036
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,120
I can't get through to anyone 
but this lovely runner. 

1037
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,400
Well, she was actually doing the
explorer. 

1038
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,880
She she caught me up and she's 
like, I'll just walk with you. 

1039
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,120
So she's like, I'm not in a 
hurry. 

1040
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,680
I don't have a time. 
So the two of us just plodded 

1041
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,520
away very slowly down this hill 
and it was a it was a long, you 

1042
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,960
could see camp a long way away. 
And it was an amazing downhill. 

1043
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,080
The downhill or I was I wanted 
to run that because that was 

1044
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,560
just like a proper all the way 
down. 

1045
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:48,320
Just didn't happen and I just 
had to very slowly hobble my way

1046
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,600
all the way back into camp and I
was just basically taking 

1047
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,560
straight into an ethical temp to
look at it to work out what I'd 

1048
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,760
actually done to my leg because 
I really couldn't wait. 

1049
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,360
Bear on it. 
It was just really, really sore.

1050
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,120
So they were like, that's not 
good. 

1051
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,120
What I want you to do is go and 
get cold on it. 

1052
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,600
Need to get ice on it or 
something. 

1053
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,360
So get yourself changed, get 
ready and get down to the river 

1054
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,160
because that's the only place 
where there was anything. 

1055
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,120
So one of the marshals came with
me because I'm like, how do you 

1056
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,560
expect me to get down to a 
riverbank? 

1057
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:24,160
I can't hardly walk. 
So he kind of with me to help me

1058
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,400
kind of down the banking. 
But and then the basically I 

1059
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,320
just stand in the middle of the 
river for about 20 minutes and 

1060
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,840
there's fish coming around. 
Remember those like pedicure 

1061
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,080
things used to get in the 
supermarkets with all the fish. 

1062
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,240
It's like that they were all 
coming and eating my feet. 

1063
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:42,760
It was quite annoying about like
pocketing, but I've got a free 

1064
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:49,000
pedicure like fishy one said 
that then it was a very hobble 

1065
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,760
all the way back. 
I couldn't put my foot flat. 

1066
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,200
I had to quit literally just bow
on my left one on my toe and 

1067
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,120
kind of hobble my way back up. 
And then I was basically told go

1068
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,440
back to the medics at 7:00 
because Morag's on and she's 

1069
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,040
knows lots about this. 
So I couldn't even put my socks 

1070
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,440
on. 
I had to put my socks on because

1071
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,480
I couldn't bend my feet, like up
or down. 

1072
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,600
I couldn't just couldn't bend 
that. 

1073
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,360
So I'm back. 
It's on Warrag and they were 

1074
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,440
going it. 
They thought it was some 

1075
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,800
technical words in this as well.
I wrote this one down. 

1076
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,080
Well, I had to get them to write
it down. 

1077
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:25,040
For me. 
It was a potential tibial bone 

1078
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,800
stress reaction, which they 
could lead to a stress fracture.

1079
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,760
They couldn't quite work it 
because it was so specific on 

1080
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,160
the bone. 
They weren't sure. 

1081
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,040
But at that point like it's not 
looking good for you. 

1082
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,920
So basically they're like, you 
can come, but like you're not 

1083
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,360
allowed to leave tomorrow on the
you're not allowed to go out of 

1084
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,680
camp without seeing us first. 
You're not just not allowed to 

1085
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,640
race until you see the medics 
and get sign off. 

1086
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,960
But at that point I think she 
was just like, you're not going 

1087
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,400
to be able to. 
And I was like, right, OK, so 

1088
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,400
yeah, let's just say it was 
she's very good at giving 

1089
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,440
cuddles and hugs. 
At that point when I was like, 

1090
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,640
right, that's it. 
We'd wore that scheme over. 

1091
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,600
I could have gone down to the 
Explorer. 

1092
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,880
So for those who don't know, the
Explorer is basically half days.

1093
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,200
So what they'll do is they'll 
work out where you can either 

1094
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,320
start, start at the beginning 
and run to a point where we'll 

1095
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,320
pick you up, or they'll drop you
off at that point and then you 

1096
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,160
can run to the end. 
So there's like 2 distances you 

1097
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,800
can do falsely. 
Usually they seem to go on new 

1098
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,000
day trips and get a nice cup of 
tea somewhere. 

1099
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,040
They find a Cafe which will look
quite good. 

1100
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,360
And I was like, right, Explorer 
the next day is 10K. 

1101
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,920
Maybe I could do that if I opted
for the short one, but I was 

1102
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:39,160
like, well, day 6 is 35 K. 
I'm like, I can't do that. 

1103
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,000
There's no point. 
I just can't. 

1104
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,760
So there's no point going to the
explorer to try and put myself 

1105
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,440
through more pain. 
So it's different. 

1106
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,000
If it was day 7 and it was, I 
only had day 8 to go, I probably

1107
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,880
could have hobbled somehow 
dragged myself to that finish 

1108
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,280
line, but it was like, there's 
no way I can do it. 

1109
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,120
Only this is just the back of 
day 4. 

1110
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,760
And that's when they, as I said,
they could have made the 

1111
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,480
decision of you cannot run. 
So it was basically game over at

1112
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,400
that point. 
So always dropped out in the 

1113
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,160
second position as I pulled out 
at that point. 

1114
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,120
So I was like, yeah, that's it 
came over. 

1115
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,240
Yeah, it wasn't the best. 
Well, they say not all heroes 

1116
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,080
wear capes. 
Do you remember the name of the 

1117
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,720
the mystery runner that helped 
you down I. 

1118
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,360
Think her name was Heather. 
Yeah, she was lovely. 

1119
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,720
I've spoken to her before and 
she just, yeah, just chatted to 

1120
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,280
me all the way down, Kept me 
going, kept me spirits up. 

1121
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,000
Well done. 
Yes. 

1122
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,200
I was like, on you gorgeous. 
Like, no. 

1123
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,800
And she's like, no, no, no. 
This is really bad. 

1124
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,560
I have just sent a text message 
in and Nikki's going to laugh at

1125
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,960
this. 
And I've watched Rick do the 

1126
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,680
Glenn Rosa horseshoe race. 
And Aaron, I was on the waiting 

1127
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,760
list. 
It's a few weeks time. 

1128
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,840
I've just had the invitation to 
enter that. 

1129
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,800
I better speak to the physio 
first. 

1130
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,480
Yeah, you bet. 
No, but Heather was absolutely. 

1131
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:01,880
Yeah, she was lovely. 
She kept me going. 

1132
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,360
I see everyone in camp. 
They were amazing. 

1133
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,240
I remember having the phone, 
phone home and just, I think I 

1134
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,200
just don't actually think I even
made sense to husbands otherwise

1135
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,080
than I think all I just said was
game over. 

1136
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,760
That's why I think I said to a 
few folks like, that's a game 

1137
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,960
over. 
And then, yeah, lots of people 

1138
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,720
gave them hugs and they're like 
just seeing me hobbling around 

1139
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,320
in campus. 
Really. 

1140
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,360
Yeah, they were lovely. 
And then that was that. 

1141
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,920
They're like, well. 
Basically, they send you home. 

1142
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,760
Yeah, I was at this end. 
I don't know about the rest of 

1143
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,680
the group. 
As I said in the introduction, 

1144
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,240
you're on the Epic Trails group 
and I'm in the WhatsApp chat for

1145
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,600
that and you message does. 
And it was like from first to 

1146
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,920
that it was kind of for me it 
was quite disbelief. 

1147
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,800
It was like what's happened and 
obviously you explained 

1148
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,000
everything as you've not in as 
much detail as you've just done 

1149
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,840
there, which thank you for 
sharing. 

1150
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,240
At what state? 
Like you said, you shared quite 

1151
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,240
a few tears as you were coming 
down. 

1152
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:07,560
Was that down to the pain or was
that was it mentally because you

1153
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,640
knew you were coming 1st and 
then like can you remember? 

1154
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,040
It did. 
It wasn't due to the placings 

1155
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,760
because I like I didn't expect 
to be first and so much can 

1156
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,200
happen in that race. 
It was purely down to, I think 

1157
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,520
the frustration of this cannot 
be happening again. 

1158
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,160
Right. 
I think that was it because I've

1159
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:31,200
been through so many like things
that have gone wrong, like when 

1160
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,680
I'm not going to be discussing 
this, but like when I had my 

1161
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,520
accident and both my wrists got 
broken, I'm like, I can't be 

1162
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,120
doing this again. 
I can't face going through all 

1163
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,440
of the treatments that I had to 
fix everything. 

1164
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,480
I think it was just everything 
like that going. 

1165
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,840
What does this actually mean? 
I think that was more than I 

1166
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,960
then like, like, yeah, this is 
fine. 

1167
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,800
This has happened but I'm like 
it's more going not an injury. 

1168
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,880
I can't cope with an injury, you
know, the rest took so long to 

1169
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,280
fix and they're never going to 
be right. 

1170
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,240
I just it was more that side 
than anything else and it was 

1171
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,400
actually bloody sore at the same
time. 

1172
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,520
Where the fear of the potential 
recovery rehab that you're going

1173
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,080
to have ahead of you, that's 
like, right, OK, the race is 

1174
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,480
happening, but how is this going
to affect the immediate future? 

1175
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,480
It was that more than anything 
else. 

1176
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,360
I'm like, a race is a race. 
You can come, they can go. 

1177
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,680
But I'm like, if I have to go 
back to the times when, for 

1178
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,240
those that don't know, I got 
wiped off my bike a few years 

1179
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,600
ago by a car and got bilateral 
wrist fractures. 

1180
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,160
I've had ended up by the end of 
that week with both wrists being

1181
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,560
operated on. 
I've had three operations on my 

1182
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,920
left wrist. 
It's never going to be the same.

1183
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,560
So just like that, having to go 
through all of that and then 

1184
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,400
going, it's not as bad as that, 
but going, if this is say like a

1185
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,480
stress fracture, what does that 
mean? 

1186
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,240
That's going to be 12 weeks. 
I can't run. 

1187
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,200
What can I do? 
What's the impact of everything 

1188
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,040
I do? 
And I just thought of having to 

1189
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,000
go through that. 
I think that was probably more 

1190
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,440
where the tears were coming 
from. 

1191
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,640
Yeah. 
And how were your camp mates 

1192
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,240
when they realized you were 
injured? 

1193
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,960
Because you're 4 days and you've
formed all these relationships 

1194
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,200
and friendships with people. 
How how was everyone? 

1195
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,800
Was that more emotional telling 
them as well? 

1196
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,920
Yeah, I met hogs I got from the 
NSA and then they were more just

1197
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,560
gutted that, you know, you got 
to know the people and then 

1198
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,800
they're like Emma was like, no, 
you've left, why are you 

1199
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,080
leaving? 
And a few people like you've 

1200
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,240
left too soon. 
I didn't even get it's a good 

1201
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,960
chat. 
So it was it was those sort of 

1202
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,760
things where I didn't really get
to speak to as many people. 

1203
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,680
I think a lot was like, we just 
saw you see you go. 

1204
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,840
But they were all lovely. 
Everyone was lovely in camp. 

1205
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,000
Thank you. 
See me hoping, not looking very 

1206
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,320
happy. 
What what happened to your 

1207
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:46,200
location? 
Do you get shipped back to the 

1208
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,920
start? 
Does somebody come and get you? 

1209
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,120
Do you get put up day by day or 
what happens? 

1210
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,520
No, so basically they're like 
right, see you later. 

1211
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,440
Not not quite like that. 
I do have to say Shane was 

1212
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,840
lovely. 
Shane runs a rear events because

1213
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,320
he came that that night before I
left and had a good long chat 

1214
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,320
with me. 
I think they all said, you know,

1215
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,480
you the the the right decision 
that's been made. 

1216
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,760
I'm like I know it is. 
It's just gutting. 

1217
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,840
So what they did was basically 
there's a train coming at seven 

1218
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,120
O 2 at Altna Wachuma, call it. 
I should know this. 

1219
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:21,400
I work in the railway. 
It's a lovely little station in 

1220
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,960
the Scottish Highlands. 
So basically you're putting on 

1221
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,560
the train. 
So I have a train book for a 

1222
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,800
couple of days for obviously for
the Monday, not the day bizarre,

1223
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,280
but Thursday. 
So I think that was the 

1224
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Thursday. 
So what I did was quickly get 

1225
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,680
online, got my train ticket 
booked. 

1226
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,320
Now I've never used passenger 
assist in my life for the 

1227
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,400
railway. 
The trains never had to, but I 

1228
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,560
was actually amazed. 
And again, welcome to the 

1229
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,360
railway. 
You, you know of these things 

1230
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,960
you know, people use them. 
You also you're like maybe don't

1231
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,200
work as well as you do. 
But I, I say it was amazing. 

1232
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,000
I went online to go. 
How do I book this? 

1233
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,320
Because the bag you've, you're 
basically dropped off with your 

1234
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,000
big 20K bag. 
I think it'll be different. 

1235
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,760
If it was actually like broken, 
broken in pieces, that would be 

1236
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:14,360
different. 
So I was like, I'm going to drop

1237
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,360
to the station at seven or two. 
Went online. 

1238
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,040
It must spend 1:00 in the 
morning. 

1239
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,280
I saw you can't really you book 
part. 

1240
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,120
You can book it online or you 
can phone up, but they don't 

1241
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,800
action it until 7:00 AM because 
obviously they're shut from like

1242
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:27,960
6:50. 
So I was like, well, I'm 

1243
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,760
probably not going to get any 
assistance in the first day and 

1244
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,080
that's all cool. 
So I got the train from Altna, 

1245
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:38,320
something to where'd I go to 
Inverness? 

1246
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,840
Yes, Inverness. 
And then I had got the train 

1247
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,960
from Inverness to Sterling. 
Then I changed to Sterling and 

1248
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,880
went to Croy because it was 
easier for me to do that and get

1249
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,920
picked up there than I thought 
of going to Queen St. and then 

1250
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,600
having to go from high level to 
low levels and trains out. 

1251
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,200
I did it that way. 
So I had three trains to get and

1252
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,480
I put all of the details in, 
even including ended up getting 

1253
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,880
one earlier. 
I was obviously shocked. 

1254
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,400
The guy got off the train at 
seven O 2 right with your hands.

1255
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,360
He was ready for me. 
So he was absolutely amazing. 

1256
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,960
Got my bag on, sat me down 
really good chat with him. 

1257
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,240
When I got to Inverness, they he
was like the other guy was 

1258
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,760
ready. 
They told him which carriage I 

1259
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,000
was in. 
So he got me out, got my bag and

1260
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,480
I was like well, wait 10 minutes
to possibly get the next train 

1261
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,480
down the road. 
So he got me through, got me 

1262
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,960
through the queue, got me right 
into carriage. 

1263
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,760
I was like, I'm on a train 
that's seven hour early. 

1264
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,800
I was like, don't worry, I'll 
get them told. 

1265
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:37,120
So he then told the next slot. 
So I got to Sterling, another 

1266
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,280
nice chap, a good long chat with
him. 

1267
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,600
He was lovely again, brilliant 
member of staff, got me over, 

1268
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,200
got me sorted, had about 15 
minutes to wait. 

1269
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,040
So he then came back before the 
train got me on that one. 

1270
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,600
And then just just before I got 
into Croy, the tick examiners 

1271
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,120
came through the conductors and 
then they're like, think it all 

1272
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,320
about you. 
I was like, great. 

1273
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,920
So this story, somebody traveled
through the train of why I need 

1274
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:07,120
help again, they got me off and 
then me and the staff at Croy 

1275
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,200
helped get my bag to the car as 
well. 

1276
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,520
So I do have to say the staff 
from Scotland were absolutely 

1277
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,200
fantastic, helping me all the 
way back down with my bag and 

1278
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,520
get me on off the trains. 
So yeah, that was how I got 

1279
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,320
home, back home by about 1:30. 
That's a great advert for 

1280
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,200
ScotRail then. 
Was it ScotRail that had the 

1281
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,920
passenger assist? 
Yeah, what you'll do, the 

1282
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,240
passenger assist, and I'm saying
I've never used it. 

1283
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,800
And it was really, it worked. 
Worked absolutely perfectly for 

1284
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:35,720
me. 
Going through all these 

1285
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,680
different trains and getting me 
shifted and being so last 

1286
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:39,880
minute, I actually worked really
well. 

1287
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,080
So you get home and what happens
there? 

1288
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,600
Are you straight to the doctor 
or? 

1289
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,040
Well, I thought I better have a 
shower first. 

1290
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:53,680
So they didn't really want the 
stinking shower I'm. 

1291
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,240
Sure they smelt worse. 
So. 

1292
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,440
The the train guys were probably
wanting you in and out as 

1293
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:00,960
quickly as possible because of 
the snail. 

1294
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,440
Yeah and I had my shoe off 
because my to put my foot up and

1295
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,480
I'm like I'm not I'm not allowed
shoes in the seat. 

1296
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:10,560
So some shoes off. 
No one sat next to me was great 

1297
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,640
that seat to myself and the girl
come up and down with a trolley 

1298
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,080
twice. 
So I got 2 cups of tea. 

1299
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:21,040
So I was pretty happy, yeah. 
I got my shower, got food, and 

1300
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:26,040
then I went down to the royal. 
So I got X-rayed because 

1301
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:27,920
obviously we're thinking, 
anticipating possible stress 

1302
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,279
fracture. 
It was X-rayed. 

1303
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,880
As you know, with stress 
fractures, it can be very hard 

1304
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,920
to tell on an X-ray whether or 
not it is one or not. 

1305
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,680
There was a possibility it 
might, but we didn't know. 

1306
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:45,240
So then they made the request 
for an MRI scan. 

1307
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,120
The good thing was they got a 
cancellation. 

1308
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,080
So that was a Thursday and I got
Saturday morning cancellation 

1309
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,200
for an MRI scan. 
So up to stop help for that one.

1310
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,279
And feedback I've had, still 
waiting for the final, final 

1311
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,479
report to come through is that 
doesn't look like a stress 

1312
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,359
fracture, which I was like, 
thank goodness for that. 

1313
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,439
Been to the physio and 
everything like that. 

1314
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:14,560
And so we're thinking it is, I 
could say basically my tibia 

1315
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,920
anterior is angry. 
It's all around the tibia, the, 

1316
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,319
the tendon and there's lots of 
fluid in it and alter signals to

1317
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:22,720
the muscle. 
So basically the tendons and the

1318
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,160
muscles aren't very happy with 
me. 

1319
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,640
If you touch my leg front my 
leg, it ain't happy with me 

1320
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,040
either. 
And it was just like, do not 

1321
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:34,760
touch it. 
So yeah, been to the physio and 

1322
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,520
it's taped up and we're going 
actually possibly we can get 

1323
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,439
back to running very soon. 
See with that though, like is 

1324
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,000
that just really, really bad 
luck that that's happened? 

1325
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,840
Because you do do a lot of 
stretching and strength and 

1326
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,760
conditioning, you know, you're 
really on it with things like 

1327
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,479
that. 
So it's not, I don't think it 

1328
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,160
would be anything you could have
done like more that way. 

1329
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,960
No, we couldn't work it out 
'cause we're like when we've 

1330
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,880
done the distance during I do 
the elevation, I'd understand. 

1331
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,920
I love the gym. 
I'm always, always in the gym 

1332
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,720
'cause I do love lifting big 
heavy things. 

1333
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,160
It might be me, but I can lift 
big things and then I do my 

1334
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:13,520
stretching and I'm stretching 
and doing yoga probably 4 times 

1335
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:14,880
a week. 
Now. 

1336
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,600
I say yoga. 
I have to say it's about 1520 

1337
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,920
minute YouTube video that I do, 
friend. 

1338
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,840
I did it a couple of years ago. 
We got on the challenge in 

1339
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,480
January, yoga every day and we 
kept it up. 

1340
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,600
Yoga with Mark, he's really 
good. 

1341
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,040
He does the Glasgow Try club and
then I find another one now that

1342
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,360
I'm also following and just 
every day or every second day 

1343
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,120
I'll just do a wee 20 minute 
yoga and for the TV in the 

1344
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,240
evening. 
I'm still totally inflexible, 

1345
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,760
but I think it's definitely 
paying off with the I see paying

1346
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,200
off with the injuries. 
I've not really had any until 

1347
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,600
this, but it's I say definitely 
I'm a lot better than I would 

1348
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,560
have been. 
So they think it's possibly with

1349
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,680
the ups and then the downs, but 
more the tardine because the 

1350
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,120
ground was so dry. 
So you're not even get any given

1351
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,360
the ground because everything 
was hard. 

1352
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:11,640
And then because it was so this 
was rocky, uneven, there was 

1353
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,320
nothing. 
Their legs were really having to

1354
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,800
work a lot more just because of 
the terrain that was just so 

1355
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,880
rough that possibly that could 
have done it. 

1356
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,120
And just with the UPS and the 
downs, don't know, but that's 

1357
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,480
the only thing we're thinking it
could have been. 

1358
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,880
But I think it is just luck or 
unluckiness that caused it. 

1359
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:35,200
And now it's just that I say 
just, but it is the gradual 

1360
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,320
build back up now. 
Yeah, that's it. 

1361
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,560
So it's like today I've been on 
my feet quite a bit because I 

1362
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,560
see I was doing the trail race, 
but I started off just not doing

1363
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,280
anything. 
Then I started off swimming, but

1364
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,240
just with a pool voice. 
I wasn't even using it. 

1365
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,400
I think the cold water actually 
pool helped. 

1366
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,760
Then onto my turbo and then I 
went out on the bike yesterday. 

1367
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,520
But again, I'm keeping the 
elevation down as much as I can 

1368
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,960
just so I'm not having to work 
it too much, but just keeping 

1369
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:05,320
the legs turning. 
The aim is hopefully I'll have 

1370
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:10,480
the final report back from the 
MRI early this week and then I 

1371
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,280
can do the guided run on 
Thursday. 

1372
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,120
So it's 6K very easy. 
So we'll go, we'll test that, 

1373
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,040
see how it feels and that'll 
give me a bit of an indication 

1374
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,160
with how it's doing. 
Because one thing is I'm like, I

1375
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,920
don't want to make it worse. 
I'm like I'm prefer to be able 

1376
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,240
to run just maybe not as much 
then being absolutely broken for

1377
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,240
a long time. 
Since you're not 100% sure of 

1378
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,400
what caused it, what are you 
going to do to stop it happening

1379
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,320
again? 
Maybe don't run 200 kilometres 

1380
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,600
in four days. 
I think maybe that's just it 

1381
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,080
might just have been that I 
might have actual just so much 

1382
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:52,160
that I've done. 
Whereas it seems that the multi 

1383
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,840
day events do work. 
I'm quite good at them. 

1384
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,320
Maybe not past four days. 
Let's practice that one. 

1385
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,520
So I think it's just sticking 
just now to back down to kind of

1386
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,320
more the one day events and 
ultras and then slowly look to 

1387
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,600
go right for next time. 
What am I going to do? 

1388
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,280
I don't know what I can do, but 
maybe just working with a 

1389
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,840
physiological what, what else 
could we possibly do? 

1390
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:16,600
Or more if I start to feel it 
coming on, what can I do? 

1391
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,280
I'll say with this, it just 
started at 18K and that was it. 

1392
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,640
I didn't get any warning that it
was coming. 

1393
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,160
It was like the night before. 
I'm like, Oh, I've got me 

1394
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:26,560
niggles. 
There's nothing. 

1395
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,840
That was just it. 
So does that answer the question

1396
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,560
I haven't asked yet? 
Are are you going to do it 

1397
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,560
again? 
I don't know. 

1398
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,400
I was very much, I am not doing 
that again. 

1399
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,520
I am not doing that again. 
Why would I do that again? 

1400
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,000
I just want to do the 
lighthouse. 

1401
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,560
I might just go and run to the 
lighthouse from that wee beach, 

1402
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,840
but then I like the that way. 
It's like everything. 

1403
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:53,760
You forget that horribleness of 
those four days and then nephews

1404
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,400
have opened again. 
I know I've not signed up but 

1405
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:59,520
then I'm like thought of running
those four days and doing that 

1406
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,280
1st 200 kilometres again is a 
bit off good. 

1407
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,480
Do you want to go up and? 
I can go. 

1408
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:11,960
Would you go up and do just the 
the last bit that you haven't 

1409
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,240
done? 
I'd be tempted to work out how, 

1410
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,520
how it could be done because 
it's, I think it would have to 

1411
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,160
be done as in like self 
supported. 

1412
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,040
It's not that you can really 
have, it's only the West Tail on

1413
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,960
way where you can do bits and 
you've got baggage transfer guys

1414
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,080
that'll move your bags nicely to
places. 

1415
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,640
I think it would be very much 
going. 

1416
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,880
How do we run each day? 
Carrying your own stuff? 

1417
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,720
You get a. 
Train up to out in the brag I 

1418
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,920
think is the session that you 
got and then just do the whole 

1419
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,880
lot at once. 
You don't need to stop them, 

1420
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,040
right? 
I keep going. 

1421
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,800
I suppose I could do it as a 
spine warm up and I'm not doing 

1422
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,800
that either, but people said so 
I just just do this, no. 

1423
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,000
So that was thank you for 
sharing all that, because that 

1424
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,040
was it was really, really 
interesting and it's really good

1425
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,680
to have someone that's on that's
done, you know, such a big 

1426
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,360
event, even the four days is 
massive. 

1427
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,160
Yeah, it was a big event. 
And I'd say to people that are 

1428
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,080
thinking about it, the good 
thing is there is the Challenger

1429
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,400
or sorry, the explorer option, 
so you can drop. 

1430
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,040
Well, there's the Challenger. 
So they do actually keep half 

1431
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,800
100. 
So that's 100 miles and you can 

1432
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,760
do the first three days and 
stop. 

1433
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,000
Just stopped after day three and
I got a medal. 

1434
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,960
Don't even get a medal. 
I'll finish in day four or 

1435
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:35,920
something. 
What a medal. 

1436
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,200
So that's a really good one. 
If you want to get into multi 

1437
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,560
days, actually I'd say go try 
the first three days. 

1438
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,880
Really, really good. 
You get to experience the camp 

1439
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:48,040
life, do those parts. 
Then there, as I say, is the 

1440
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,000
explorer and it's up to you how 
you want to do that. 

1441
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,800
You do the full 8 days, but you 
it's up to you. 

1442
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,960
You might want to do the full 
day one day, about half a day 

1443
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,120
the next day. 
It's a good way you can mix and 

1444
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,400
match and just enjoy it and see 
how you're feeling. 

1445
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,400
So that's another good way to 
try it as well. 

1446
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,200
All right, moving on to 
something else or maybe that is 

1447
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,400
Kate Rath is your answer. 
What's the the biggest 

1448
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,880
achievement that you've had in 
your in your sporting, not just 

1449
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,320
running career? 
Oh, sporting, That's slightly 

1450
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,040
harder. 
You can start with running. 

1451
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,120
Oh no, Kate Rath is not because 
that's ADNF. 

1452
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:39,000
I think probably just does it 
have to be an event? 

1453
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:39,920
No. 
No. 

1454
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,240
No. 
Just what? 

1455
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:42,480
What? 
You're most proud of. 

1456
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,440
I think it's actually epic 
trails. 

1457
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,680
So for me, I think it was all 
the epic trails. 

1458
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:52,440
I I started doing guided trail 
runs before COVID. 

1459
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:56,320
So I did them for a company 
called Trail Fest and I always 

1460
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,400
did the Mogai ones. 
So I just turned up. 

1461
01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:00,480
I was given a list of people who
were coming and I took them for 

1462
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,680
a nice B guided run. 
Yeah, it was great. 

1463
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:09,000
COVID came and it became just, 
this was a natural time for 

1464
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:13,080
Trail Fest to finish. 
You made the decision, but I was

1465
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,920
then getting messages from 
people going, are you still 

1466
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,160
going to do the runs? 
Are you doing the runs? 

1467
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,240
What's happening with the runs? 
Are you still doing them? 

1468
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,480
And I was like, oh, I'm still 
here. 

1469
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:21,880
It's not like I've gone 
anywhere. 

1470
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,720
I still have a little guy. 
I can still run the runs, right?

1471
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,040
I suppose I'd better look at 
this. 

1472
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,720
So I was like, right, OK, I can 
do this myself. 

1473
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,880
Don't know how I'll work out 
that logistics later. 

1474
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,240
And I'm not the techie person. 
But at the same time, I was 

1475
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,560
like, right, People are asking 
me for running routes with COVID

1476
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,080
because everyone can only go out
locally. 

1477
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,880
So I spend a lot of my time. 
I loved COVID. 

1478
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,960
Well, not COVID itself, but I 
love the time you got to explore

1479
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,360
your local hills. 
I've found so many trails. 

1480
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,680
I had so much fun up the 
Kilpatricks and the currencies 

1481
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,240
exploring and I just started 
posting on Facebook. 

1482
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,360
All of my trips have that where 
I've been pictures of them, the 

1483
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,920
roots, just trying to say to 
people, look, if you're stuck, 

1484
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,280
just go out and do something. 
Here's local places you can go 

1485
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,960
and explore. 
And then when we're allowed to 

1486
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,240
start socializing and going out 
together, I was like, right, 

1487
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,720
I'll put guided runs on. 
I did the first year for free, 

1488
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,800
so everyone just turned up and 
I'll just take people out just 

1489
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,080
to keep your back out. 
Running in a group, showing them

1490
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:22,840
more things roundabout and then 
eventually kind of feels like 

1491
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,720
right now, better start charging
here actually for this. 

1492
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,040
Not a huge amount, it's a full 
£3.50 that they pay and 

1493
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,400
everything goes back to charity.
So every little penny I make 

1494
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,360
goes, well I don't make it, it's
not-for-profit. 

1495
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,000
We go, it goes back out to 
something that's kind of 

1496
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,400
worthwhile or something that 
like the runners have got 

1497
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,400
experience in. 
So a lot have gone to mountain 

1498
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,880
rescue. 
We raise money and we install 

1499
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,680
the defibrillator at Saint 
Mocha, things like that that we 

1500
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,280
do. 
And then the group sort of came 

1501
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,480
together so most people can 
come. 

1502
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:59,920
So like so every Thursday I'll 
do first of the months of 6K, 

1503
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:03,000
then it basically goes 8K10K. 
Just varies until we get to the 

1504
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,280
end of the month. 
But the group came together and 

1505
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:07,760
we've got something up in there 
from the start. 

1506
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,040
And over time they've progressed
from going you're a crazy Nutter

1507
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,840
to me from the things I do to 
start doing half marathons to 

1508
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,000
marathons. 
And then some of them are doing 

1509
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,120
ultra marathons and the West 
Island way and things like that.

1510
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:25,080
Some, I think it's more I'm just
proud of actually bringing the 

1511
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,680
group together of people who 
just want to run trails and 

1512
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,120
maybe don't have that 
connection. 

1513
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,400
And these people would never 
have come together. 

1514
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,000
Their paths wouldn't naturally 
cross through like work or 

1515
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,560
anything like that or 
friendships. 

1516
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,120
And they're a great bunch. 
You know, they have such a 

1517
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:41,520
laugh. 
They met trips that they do 

1518
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,000
themselves without me. 
There are way ranging things. 

1519
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,880
I'm like, that's what I wanted. 
I wanted to create a community 

1520
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,640
where they can go and do all 
these things together themselves

1521
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,240
and give them the confidence to 
do it, so I think that's 

1522
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:56,480
probably what I'm most proud of.
You also had a lot of people 

1523
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,760
doing one of the events 
yesterday, didn't you? 

1524
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:01,360
The what? 
What 1 was that that they were 

1525
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,160
doing? 
So it's the ones that I think 

1526
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,640
it's outside your events run. 
So yeah, we've got a couple of 

1527
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,840
the go and volunteer at it. 
Some of them did the it's up and

1528
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,880
down. 
So that's up 1 Monroe and back 

1529
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,440
down. 
So for someone that was the 

1530
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:18,120
longest they'd ever run and for 
one of them was actually also 

1531
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,080
the first Monroe that they ran 
up and down. 

1532
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,720
Well, no, they didn't think they
walked the usual make sure you 

1533
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,480
walk up and eat at the same 
time. 

1534
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,800
So they're fantastic. 
And then a couple of them went 

1535
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,680
on and did the full, this double
Monroe I think is about 60 K 

1536
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,600
couple of them went and did that
one as well as the longest runs 

1537
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,760
they've done. 
So yeah, it's amazing. 

1538
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,800
How would somebody find out more
about Epic Trails? 

1539
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,400
Easy thing if you're wanting to 
find out what events are on is 

1540
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,240
actually just go on to entry 
central and just put in epic 

1541
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,240
trails. 
One word and what I do is it 

1542
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,880
gets towards the end of a month.
I'll put next month's on and I 

1543
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,080
just put them all up there so 
you can see what's on and just 

1544
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,600
sign up there or they can find 
me on Instagram or Facebook 

1545
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,600
because the other people want to
drop me a message. 

1546
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:09,600
And there's also I do have a 
website as well where it's 

1547
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:15,120
actually quite good. 
It's where you can find lots of 

1548
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,240
like if you want to know about 
races, like maybe ones I've done

1549
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,480
or routes I've done, I'll do 
write ups as well. 

1550
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,200
Or this is actually what it was 
like from my perspective or get 

1551
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,680
any routes as well. 
And that's basically just 

1552
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:34,240
www.epictrailsrunning.co.uk. 
And again that the the links as 

1553
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,800
well to things and. 
There's a lot of great routes on

1554
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,200
that. 
Yeah, for roots that I do that 

1555
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:43,440
seem to be quite nice, I'll put 
them up. 

1556
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,960
Sometimes I've got descriptions.
Sometimes you might find I've 

1557
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,280
gone and run a race where really
the description is I ran up a 

1558
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,000
hill, couldn't see anything. 
I've run back down. 

1559
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,960
I'd recommend it, but here's 
some pictures if I really don't 

1560
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,480
have a clue what I want. 
But I'll, I'll try kind of get, 

1561
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,800
I say, honest feedback as well 
about roots and races, about 

1562
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:06,080
what I actually thought of them.
So the next question that we've 

1563
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,600
got is why do you run? 
It's my escape. 

1564
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,360
I think it's always been like 
that. 

1565
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,760
I remember back at uni they 
would see me frustrated and 

1566
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,480
they're like, you need to just 
go out, just get out there. 

1567
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,720
And I think it's that release. 
It's just I need to do 

1568
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,520
something. 
If it isn't like running, then 

1569
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,800
as I say, I would go on the bike
or I used to always go please 

1570
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,720
hit a bully. 
And so all it's my, it is, it's 

1571
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,680
my me time, it's my release. 
It's just gives me time to 

1572
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:37,320
think. 
It must have an awful lot to 

1573
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,520
think about because since I do 
like running for hours and hours

1574
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,880
and hours. 
But it's a great, you know, Ed, 

1575
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,560
especially if I've had a bad 
morning at work or something, 

1576
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,520
you know, just lunchtime, just 
get out and just run, come back 

1577
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,000
in. 
And I'm much, I'm much happier 

1578
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,200
person. 
Yeah, I remember. 

1579
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:55,120
What you think about? 
Sometimes not. 

1580
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,600
I've got a clue. 
Well, I've tried to put the 

1581
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,000
world to rights. 
That's always try to sort that 

1582
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,720
out. 
But I can go and put a podcast 

1583
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,640
on to listen to it and I've had 
it on plane the whole time, but 

1584
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,480
I've not actually listened to it
because I've been thinking 

1585
01:23:05,480 --> 01:23:09,280
whatever randomness in my head 
or they'll be thinking about 

1586
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,480
something or joining in with a 
podcast, talking to a sheep, 

1587
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,160
talking to the mods, screaming 
at it could be anything. 

1588
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,680
But it's, I think it's just, 
it's my me time to get out. 

1589
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,440
And divergent, not on the 
question list. 

1590
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:25,840
You said you talked to the 
sheep. 

1591
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:31,840
Tell us about Frank. 
Won't got Frank Heen anymore, 

1592
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,520
Frankie, Right. 
All my runners know I've got a 

1593
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,320
thing. 
Every time I find a sheepskull, 

1594
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,800
I'm usually pick it up and I'll 
do a bit of I think it's a ham. 

1595
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,120
OK, whichever one it was. 
I'm not Shakespeare and do that.

1596
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,400
They're always like laughing at 
me for these sheepskulls. 

1597
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:49,160
And I've always said I wanted to
find a sheepskull with proper 

1598
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:53,120
like horns, proper horns. 
And one day I was out running 

1599
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,680
with Westies. 
I'm running up, up the 

1600
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,440
currencies, coming down to 
Dunfoi and there was a good 

1601
01:23:58,440 --> 01:24:00,800
sheep. 
I feel really sorry for the 

1602
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:02,400
sheep. 
It was unfortunate it had 

1603
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,360
passed. 
It passed a long time ago, but 

1604
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:06,960
it had a good set of horns on 
it. 

1605
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:08,680
Not saying I've got to remember 
where the sheep is. 

1606
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,000
I need to come back for this, 
for these sheep horns. 

1607
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,400
So I've luckily I've got another
friend. 

1608
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:15,680
Oh no, it's the same one. 
It's Mary. 

1609
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:17,560
Mary who likes to give me 
camping stuff. 

1610
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,200
Who knows the silly things that 
I got to Mary. 

1611
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,880
How about are we run on a Friday
night up to bring back a sheep's

1612
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:30,480
skull with the big horns on it? 
So yeah, we did actually one 

1613
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:33,000
Friday night. 
So can we run back up all the 

1614
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,720
way up to where we found Frank? 
So we got Frank, we put Frank 

1615
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,120
and Frank is just the head. 
That's not 2 sheep. 

1616
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,040
I did not bring that home, just 
the head. 

1617
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,440
Reverend was Nikki and Mike have
seen the size of Frank. 

1618
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,280
He is a good he must be, he is 
big. 

1619
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,240
So put him in a bin bag. 
And then I had to run back along

1620
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,160
the pipe track to the car with 
Frank and I'm like the shoulder 

1621
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,000
over this shoulder like this. 
I'm like I've got in this bag 

1622
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,000
Mary has nicely tidied out, 
cleaned Frank up for me. 

1623
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,120
I've now gotten ready to hang 
because and husband have said he

1624
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,280
is not allowed in this house 
anywhere office. 

1625
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:12,640
The dog loves him and just wants
to lick his horns every time he 

1626
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,880
appears out. 
So that is Frank the sheep. 

1627
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,520
So there is a Ronin's Java 
called I think the pipe track 

1628
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,800
and Frank I have and he has 
called Frank. 

1629
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,560
I think what we'll need to do is
we'll need to get a picture of 

1630
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:31,040
you holding Frank, and we can 
stick it onto the Instagram post

1631
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,520
that we'll put on for the 
podcast for your episodes. 

1632
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,280
I think so. 
Oh, I'm going to look at Frank 

1633
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,040
out now, aren't I? 
Yes. 

1634
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,360
Yeah. 
For anyone that can see online, 

1635
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:46,280
I'm not sure that's Frank 
hanging up. 

1636
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,920
Yeah, this is only for the 
YouTube viewers. 

1637
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,600
For those online, it's just a 
picture of Frank that I don't. 

1638
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:52,960
I'm hanging up. 
Frank looks good. 

1639
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,840
I don't think that gives us 
justice because. 

1640
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,560
No it doesn't. 
We we saw the picture and you 

1641
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,640
take up the whole screen. 
Yeah. 

1642
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:04,240
You definitely need a picture of
holding them 100. 

1643
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,800
Percent to get us get. 
Because I was surprised at the 

1644
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,440
size of it tonight when you 
brought out-of-the-box. 

1645
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,440
OK, I'll get Frank later. 
I'll get a, I'll get a selfie. 

1646
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,120
Definitely. 
So. 

1647
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,920
In the immediate future, you're 
doing your recovery, things like

1648
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,520
that. 
Have you got any apart aside 

1649
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,880
from Epic Trails that you run 
weekly, Have you got anything 

1650
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:31,360
else coming up? 
Projects, events, anything in 

1651
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,280
the new. 
You mean the one I've not just 

1652
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,280
said through to asking me if I 
wanted to enter or not? 

1653
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:40,680
I've got we've got Tyree in 
September. 

1654
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:45,280
So last time I did Tyree Ultra 
was the year where it got the 

1655
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:49,840
full months rain that day, but 
the campsite got flooded out. 

1656
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,160
I've never gone through so much 
waterproof things. 

1657
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:56,280
It was very wet. 
But who did The Epic Trails crew

1658
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,880
have decided to also go up? 
So they've got a cottage. 

1659
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,280
So basically we're going up for 
a party. 

1660
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,480
So it's going to be a run and a 
really good, I think weekend 

1661
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:06,840
really more than anything. 
So that's the main one. 

1662
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,480
I didn't on purpose. 
I didn't book anything in for 

1663
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,800
after Cape Pratt because I 
didn't know how I was going to 

1664
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,640
be. 
There are a lot of hill races 

1665
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,560
coming up, so I'm just going to 
the good thing with hill races 

1666
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,760
does you don't have to enter 
them once and once and once in 

1667
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,240
advance. 
A lot of them are you can sign 

1668
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,040
up on the night or the week 
before I'll be able to get a 

1669
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,120
place. 
So it's really just going to be 

1670
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:33,280
see how it goes and then just 
see what I'm going to enter that

1671
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:34,680
way. 
So no, nothing big. 

1672
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,560
Yeah, I'm saying yeah, tidy 
September. 

1673
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,640
So plenty of time to recover 
from that and they just take my 

1674
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,960
time and see what what takes my 
fancy really. 

1675
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,080
And you jokingly mentioned 
Spain. 

1676
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,760
We don't actually know if that 
actually was a joke. 

1677
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,000
Is 1 is that one? 
Is that one on the? 

1678
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,280
Bucket list. 
Or. 

1679
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,720
Someone also mentioned Northern 
traverse to me and then I looked

1680
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,800
at that. 
I went no, no, no, no, no, no, 

1681
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,640
but there is 100, so 100K in the
northern. 

1682
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,400
The first part is it late? 
Yeah. 

1683
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:10,560
So I was like that looks OK, 
these ones doing like just 

1684
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,000
continuing without sleeping. 
No, no, no, no, no, no, not 

1685
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,000
happening on the West high long 
way. 

1686
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,080
When I did that, I actually did 
the sleeping kind of walk 

1687
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,680
leaving because I was yeah, I 
just wasn't worth it. 

1688
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,880
So no, I do need my sleep. 
So those very long ones are 

1689
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:30,240
definitely are out the game. 
But yeah, maybe more. 

1690
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,000
I might look at other multi 
days. 

1691
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,880
So is there anybody that you 
would other than Frank of 

1692
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,440
course, that you would love to 
run with? 

1693
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,280
I think someone I would have 
loved to have run with is John 

1694
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:51,240
Kinison. 
So John, I remember listening to

1695
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,080
John, the early years of me 
getting into trail running when 

1696
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,720
he did run to the hills, 
watching his Youtubes and John's

1697
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,760
such a big inspiration to those 
in the trail running community 

1698
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,600
and especially those running 
about the West Hernong Way. 

1699
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,840
And I think it's John. 
You still play such a big like 

1700
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,800
part in everything that we do. 
You know, every time you run 

1701
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,720
over John's bridge in the way so
long way, he's just he's such an

1702
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,120
amazing guy. 
I think he's one of those people

1703
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,760
that has gone far too soon, but 
I would love to have run with 

1704
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,280
John. 
I had the pleasure many times. 

1705
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:25,840
So you missed out, I'm afraid to
say. 

1706
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,320
Yes, yeah, that's the one 
person. 

1707
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,720
Maybe one day eventually, but 
not just now. 

1708
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,280
So usually the final question 
that we ask is what's your plans

1709
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,160
for the rest of the year? 
But you've actually covered it. 

1710
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,800
So we've got tidy coming up, 
which will be really, really 

1711
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,080
good. 
That sounds like a it's going to

1712
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,960
be a great weekend for you. 
Yeah, if it's not the running, 

1713
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,360
the just having the group of us 
all together. 

1714
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,880
Just if you haven't, if people 
haven't done tidy, it's really 

1715
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:00,040
good. 
There's a Kaylee afterwards as 

1716
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:01,240
well. 
Although last time I did it I 

1717
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,360
didn't do much dancing and I had
to cycle back to the campsite. 

1718
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,120
Aren't they? 
Don't put head torch in your 

1719
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,760
head when try to cycle a bike 
because every time you look the 

1720
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,640
light moves off the road. 
What's happening? 

1721
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:15,880
But yeah, it's just going to be 
a good a good weekend with added

1722
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,080
running and friends and things. 
So that yeah, that's the main 

1723
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:22,640
one. 
Well, I think that draws us to a

1724
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:26,040
close. 
It's all from me unless Nikki's 

1725
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:27,280
got anything. 
Nope. 

1726
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:33,120
I've no well just to say thank 
you Nikki for being Nikki, thank

1727
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:38,960
you other Nikki for being Nicola
Dawson on a Sunday and it's 

1728
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,600
goodbye for me. 
Thanks for coming on. 

1729
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:43,240
Well, thanks for having me.