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Hello and welcome to another 
episode of Run Till You're Done.

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The guest that we have on for 
this episode has quite a number 

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of epic adventures and we are 
very fortunate that he takes us 

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along with a lot of them on 
YouTube known as the Random 

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Runner. 
So welcome to the podcast, Paul 

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Manson. 
Thanks for thanks for having me 

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on. 
You're very welcome. 

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Start off by introduction. 
You giving us an introduction. 

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So how did you first get into 
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So yeah, quite a while ago it 
was like, like I was always 

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pretty sporty at school and, you
know, like, but into just a mix 

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of different sports, you know, 
from anything like basketball, 

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badminton, swimming and cycling.
And I'm probably like in my 

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early 20s, I was more a cyclist.
That's what I used to do most. 

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And then started doing some of 
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things. 
You know, like, was that the 

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men's men's health survival 
challenge? 

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Do you Remember Remember about 
that as a sort of obstacle 

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racing sort of thing that was 
now like did that back in like 

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20/11/2012 and that was like, 
you know, so that was a bit of 

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running, jumping over stuff and 
all that. 

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And that kind of lead me into 
some of the rat race stuff, 

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which, yeah, I kind of quite 
liked it because a lot of the 

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things were sort of multi sport.
Like there was that one across 

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Scotland. 
The, yeah, the, the, the rat 

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race, the when we, yeah, this 
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and you know, you, you, you run 
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move a bit. 
Yeah, there was one up in 

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Northeast going like you go over
towards Inverness and down. 

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I think there's been a few 
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Something challenge I think it 
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I can't quite remember coast to 
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What's the coast? 
Yeah, there was a Coast to Coast

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challenge. 
Yeah. 

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So, so yeah, it was pretty much 
like it was, it was doing those 

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sort of things that just got me 
doing a mix of different things,

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which also involved running. 
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then was focused around running 
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cycling things. 
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the things that started to 
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distance running, running stuff.
So did yeah, I remember, I think

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the first one of there's the 
sort of running thing that I did

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was the the mighty deer stalker.
Remember, remember that. 

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It's now I think it's I don't 
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that they like advertised it as 
like it was like 10 miles, but 

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it was or 16 K and it ended up 
it was like 20 K or something. 

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That was my I think that was 
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first running races that I did. 
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bit with doing some trail 
running and then entered this 

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thing thinking, Oh yeah, about 
16 Ki can think I could manage 

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that. 
And it's like like 20 K. 

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You still weren't done. 
You know, it was pretty, pretty 

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horrific running at night and I 
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that before. 
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And then that just sort of LED 
one thing into another and that 

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so yeah, I mean, we're talking 
like 1313 years ago is when I, 

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when I first started, yeah. 
And it was, it was these sort of

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events that led me to one of the
other events that rat race run, 

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which is called the wall. 
They're still, they do still do 

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the wall as an option marathon 
back then they did it as a 2 day

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auction. 
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It's like 70 miles. 
So split that over 2 days. 

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But there was the option at that
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I thought was just like mental 
of a lot like people that would 

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run. 
I just could, I don't be honest.

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I couldn't. 
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somebody could run that sort of 
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Stop Loonies. 
Absolutely loonies. 

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Rat race do coast to coast and 
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miles run, cycle, kayak, 
Inverness, Glen Nevis, that sort

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of thing. 
Yeah, that's the one. 

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The other one that I was 
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also do one called The Crossing 
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Again, I've kind of lost track 
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Was it because it just ended up 
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They used to do this pass where 
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paid like £500 a year and that 
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all the events and they gave you
like like £150 to spend in their

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shops. 
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pretty good, but obviously 
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building up and getting getting 
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Make a name for themselves. 
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And yeah, I mean their events, 
their events are good. 

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You know, they're with organized
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They are just quite, they are 
just quite pricey. 

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So I, you know, just depends 
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And with rat Race, the 
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they're really well stocked and 
the volunteers are fab. 

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Yeah. 
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rat used to be I did it's a it's
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So although I do quite fancy 
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did that twice. 
I did it in 20, 13 and then 2012

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I think it was and 20/13/2014 
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the two days because I still at 
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So when the mental people run 70
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going back and doing the wall 
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in in the winter and then the 70
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daunt me quite as much as it as 
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So you answered my next 
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your first race? 
And you answered, dear Stalker. 

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So I'm going to adapt that 
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And we know that you're known 
for you should have been the 

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random runner and you go out on 
your adventures and not having 

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to pay for an event and just go 
out and do them. 

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So what was your first big run 
that you went out and recorded 

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and thought, oh wow, I've done 
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Freaky. 
Yeah, actually remember I was I 

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was having to look back in my 
videos and see like before 

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coming on this, I actually look 
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good to just remind yourself 
when you when you end up being 

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quite a lot, you know, it's to 
try and remember what you what 

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you've done. 
I mean, I remember the first 

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sort of multi day thing that I 
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John Muir wee, which was like 
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So that was quite a yeah, that 
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kind of, you know, thinking, oh,
just actually go and do like my 

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own big, big adventure. 
And that was like, obviously I'm

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working my way through all the 
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That's one of them. 
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So I'm, I'm slowly working my 
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And so far, like, I think maybe 
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half have got like races that 
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So you get to do them as part of
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pretty much me just going off 
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in a winner, you know, But yeah,
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the like, yeah, the first, the 
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you know, or I no, actually I 
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I do. 
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decided just to go and do and it
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kilometers because I hadn't run.
This is maybe like 3 or 4 years 

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ago. 
I've done quite a lot of ultras.

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I've been doing stuff like of, 
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of thing. 
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kilometers. 
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out onto the West Highland Way 
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kilometers, which which I did as
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you to, well, middle of nowhere.
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A Jelly baby hill. 
Exactly. 

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realized, oh, this is this is 
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And I even have a name Jelly 
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So yeah, it pretty much took me 
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And, and after that, there was, 
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my wife Michelle, at that point 
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unless it went drastically 
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She was just going to meet me at
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So I kind of just had to keep 
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So that was like 120 K or 
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So, but yeah, that was, I think 
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just thought, I'm just going to 
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happens. 
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about that was that it wasn't, 
it was on something that I knew,

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you know, I didn't have to 
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planning as to where do I start 
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Where's, where can I stop? 
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All that, you know, I kind of, I
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it and, and can I see what 
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So and then, yeah, all that 
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floodgate for, for, for 
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And Nikki's got on the question 
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And before I go in and ask a 
question, we you're known for 

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being the Scottish guy with the 
big beard as the the random 

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runner. 
And recently if people have been

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watching your YouTube or 
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shaved your beard. 
So most important questions are 

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to come of the whole night. 
Why did you shave your beard? 

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You know, I was like when I 
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is about 6 years ago, I'd, I 
just left the sort of big bad 

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corporate world. 
Not bad, but I was, I was in the

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corporate world of like in a 
state agent for, for 10 years. 

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And, you know, you got to be 
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So I, I left that and one of the
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that I was going to grow a 
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So I was just like, I really 
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And I've dabbled with growing 
beards in, you know, years gone 

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by, but I just thought, yeah, I 
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decent big beer going and that 
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And in fact, I, I ended up 
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because it was 8 until the 
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shorter. 
So I was kind of maintaining it.

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I mean, you say shorter, but it 
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You couldn't see my neck. 

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Let's let's put it that way. 
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And I'd started to toy with the 
idea of just like, yeah, when 

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would I shave the beard off? 
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something that I had forever and
a day. 

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I thought I'd keep it until 50 
and then shave it off and maybe,

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you know, feel young again. 
But I got to well, yeah, 45 now.

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And I thought, yeah, another 
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So just chop off and see, see 
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And remember putting a anything 
out just to say that, you know, 

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I was thinking of doing it and I
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was going to do it. 
But I just wanted to see what 

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people thought. 
And like a lot of people were 

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just like, no, Nicky, Nicky, you
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I was. 
Like, no, don't do it. 

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And you said, oh, you're going 
to be disappointed. 

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You were horrified at the the 
prospect of me. 

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She's my beard off through. 
I was more surprised, Paul, when

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you've done it and it was done, 
I'm like, oh, it looks all 

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right, actually. 
No, well, like there was no 

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nasty surprises hiding under 
there, like, which is good 

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because you do it like after six
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that my piece hadn't changed all
that much, but you just never 

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know, like what's going to 
what's going to be lurking 

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underneath. 
So anyway, it was a lot of 

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people say no, you can't see it 
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It's like especially doing these
YouTube videos, like, you know, 

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that's how people identify with 
me. 

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And it's like, you know, I 
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I don't, am I then stuck with it
forever because that is my so, 

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you know, people recognize me. 
So I just thought, no, take 

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care, take it off and just, and 
you could, I could grow it back 

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if I wanted to. 
But but The funny thing is I've 

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just not like I thought, I 
really thought I would miss it 

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more than than what I am. 
And you know, even even from the

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very moment of taking it off, I 
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went, Oh, that's all right. 
Actually, I don't, I don't mind.

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Like like years ago, I remember 
like growing a bit of a beer and

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it was maybe like about an inch 
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I remember taking it off and 
just stopped. 

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I was looking at my face going, 
what's happened to my chin? 

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Like why is it so small? 
I think I've aired myself for 

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this one. 
So I'd I'd actually watched back

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some of the old, old videos and 
looked at some photos pre the 

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beard. 
So I was kind of I was ready, 

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ready for and I know that it's 
gone actually just really like 

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it. 
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much as what I thought I would. 
So I don't, I don't, I don't 

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think the beard is going to make
a is going to make a comeback. 

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And before we move on to the 
main question, finished, not 

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finished asking. 
Me questions yet still talking 

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about the beard. 
That's what I'm saying before. 

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We move on before we move. 
On It's a question about the 

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beard. 
Mike, I was going to ask, now 

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that you have shaved it and it's
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up? 
I don't know. 

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We're only we're we've been in 
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actually know what it's going to
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I'm hoping that it'll be long 
enough that I'll just be used to

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it. 
But it was a very strange 

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feeling. 
I remember like even inside I 

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could detect the ear on my face 
like just I never mind when I 

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stepped outside, you know, it 
was just suddenly like what? 

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Like it wasn't necessarily cold,
you know, because I've not been 

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that cold lately, but just just 
the feeling of ear on my skin, 

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on my chin. 
It was. 

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Yeah, it was. 
It was quite weird. 

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Just a strange kind of thing, 
you know, when you sing a new 

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stint. 
Well, I think you've already 

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asked a couple of my next 
questions. 

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One was any regrets of doing, of
cutting off and that was no is 

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the beer going to make a 
comeback? 

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Not anytime soon. 
Do you feel that it's defined 

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you? 
You were the the bearded guy. 

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People didn't know. 
People don't know who you are 

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because you're not the bearded 
guy anymore. 

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Yeah, I know. 
You know, and I mean, I've put 

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out, I've put out just a few 
little videos from kind of 

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review things and stuff that 
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not an actual like big full on 
video. 

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But there is one. 
So like last month I did the the

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Swiss Alps 100 and that was like
literally about a week after 

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shaving the beard off. 
So, so there is, so there is a 

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full video to come of me without
the beards where you don't know,

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you probably get more emotion 
because the beard just hit a 

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lot. 
But it's going to be, it'll be 

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very interesting actually, even 
just from an, an editing point 

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of view because like, you know, 
for the last, well, since the 

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channel's been running, I've 
literally just been used to 

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editing and seeing my big heat 
taste. 

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So, yeah, it's, it is going to 
be quite strange to, to switch 

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and, and, and also just see how 
that reacts with, with people 

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and new people. 
Because, yeah, I still think 

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that there's possibly people 
that don't want to watch a big 

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hairy Scottish face on their TV,
you know, So I don't know, I 

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don't know whether there would 
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people potentially. 
We we will see. 

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Have you ever like looked in the
mirror or woke up in the morning

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and realized, wait a minute, 
I've I've shaved, it's not there

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anymore? 
There was there was a few points

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just where like I would pack 
myself in a mirror or something 

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like in the in the week of 
shaving off that I was like, oh,

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you know, a bit weird, but I 
was, I was actually very 

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surprised how quickly I just got
used to, you know, like I 

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thought I would keep on going to
rabbit, you know, like, you 

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know, because you're constantly 
when you got, you know, when you

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got beard, you're like, 
especially when you're on big 

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runs, like I'm always conscious,
especially because I'm filming 

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myself that, that it's it's not 
looking too straggly. 

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It always got really unruly on 
big runs. 

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But like I even on some of the 
big ones. 

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I remember like halfway through 
the the ultra trail Smithonia 

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that I did in my drop bag, I had
a tangled teaser brush to to 

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give it a get a brush and make 
sure it was all are. 

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We. 
In. 

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I don't know the answer. 
Do you have kids? 

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Yes, yes, and. 
What was their opinion of it? 

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Because they're the ones that 
count. 

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Well, yeah, so are we guy. 
He's he's he'll be turning 3 

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soon, very young and I'm going 
to decided I'm going to shave 

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off. 
I also decided I wasn't going to

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do the cruel thing of it just 
being a big horrible surprise 

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for him. 
Much of them would have been 

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quite good to have recorded the 
reaction. 

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So I got him involved and like 
made a wee video of him helping 

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to shave the beard off. 
And he was like, oh, you know, I

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think he's really into it. 
And it was funny because like, 

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beard knocking off cleaned it 
all up. 

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And I was just like, you know, 
what do you think? 

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There's your beard the minute. 
And then he said, OK, Daddy put 

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it back on. 
I was like, I don't know, that 

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look, it's In Sync. 
It's there. 

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And he's like for about an hour 
saying Daddy put the beard back 

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on. 
So he was, he was quite 

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distraught. 
I mean, and it's funny because 

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that that's now been, I mean, 
it's certainly probably been 

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about a month or something. 
And and he'll still sometimes 

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look at me possibly because I do
still sometimes go to go to my 

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chin to, you know, leave the 
beard and it's not there. 

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And I think he sees that and 
he'll just say, oh Daddy, you've

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got, you've got no beard. 
If it makes you feel any better 

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Paul, my husband had the same 
reaction with your beard as 

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well. 
He was quite attached to it as 

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well. 
You were a bit of a role model 

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of his. 
OK but I think this will be the 

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only interview in this whole 
podcast he will probably listen 

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to. 
Just. 

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Pause because he. 
Wants to hear the answers to 

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these important questions. 
Exactly. 

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Then after when we move on, 
that's when he'll put it back 

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onto music. 
Last question, I I've had 

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various beards over about the 
same period as you. 2 years is 

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the longest I grew it for and 
shaved it off. 

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No regrets. 
It was it was the time it was 

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ready to happen. 
But one thing that I made sure 

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that I did when I had a long 
beard was I went up in the 

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mountains when it was snowing 
and I had icicles hanging from 

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the beard. 
Did you ever do that? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Quite often complete frozen 

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beardless going on it. 
Yeah. 

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It was quite funny because 
sometimes you just weren't even 

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aware of it. 
You know, you'd be up top of a 

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mountain and, you know, you're 
just going to go to wipe and you

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go, wow. 
Like, beard is ice and solid and

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that. 
And it was OK. 

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Like I remember being up in 
Loman several times where, you 

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know, there was no snow down 
there down at ground level and 

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only about halfway or further, 
you know, the top third. 

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Suddenly you'd find yourself in 
a bit of snowstorm temperatures 

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dipped and beard all got covered
in snow and ice stuff and 

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everything. 
And and that was fine because 

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you're up in the snow and people
are looking go like that one 

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expected. 
But it was like, I remember 

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that. 
Then on the way down, you know, 

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you can pass through the snow 
line people that are heading up 

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and like you're just coming out 
looking like some guy that's 

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just, you know, exploring the 
Arctic or something. 

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And there's things that would be
like, you know, coming down goes

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to take a photo of myself and 
then like, look, and I'm like, 

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oh, I've literally still got 
like icicles all hanging off of 

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it. 
Yeah, I got it is. 

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But get get the face nice and 
warm. 

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So like I'm going to, I'm going 
to notice a difference when it 

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comes to winter. 
I might have to start putting on

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some of my numerous buffets that
I've collected along the way 

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that up till now have been 
eerily pointless. 

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Don't really need a buff when 
you've got your own one 

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obviously attached to your face.
And something that we started 

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long, long time ago was a league
table which we kind of forgot 

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about. 
But something that you need to 

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do after the podcast is count 
how many buffs you've got. 

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OK, yeah, no, no idea, no idea. 
And I think well, and I think 

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not to hold on to some there's 
there's truly just of of the big

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races that I've done like last 
year was a was a good we 

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collection like of the of the 
three buff. 

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Well, maybe got more. 
But like the the three ones that

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I was pretty proud of of last 
year was the at the West Island 

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way buff at the West Ham race, 
the league from hundreds and 

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also the Tour de Jean, but all 
from the one year. 

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So that was that was quite a 
good interaction. 

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And that actually something that
just to talk about with the 

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beards that I found, probably 
the the strangest thing having 

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then shaved it off is that so 
for five, you know, six years, 

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certainly I've been, I've had a 
big beard and, and most of the 

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big runs and stuff that I've 
done, you know, you get like a 

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little T-shirt at the end. 
In the few days that followed, I

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was like quite excited to go 
through and try on stuff that 

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I've only ever seen myself with 
a beard that I could then put on

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without a beard and be like, oh,
like I maybe didn't. 

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There's some stuff that I didn't
suit when I had the beard. 

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And then, you know, I'm like, I 
can actually wear that T-shirt 

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now. 
That kind of looks all right on 

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me. 
Yeah, it'll be the same. 

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It'll be the same with the boss.
Yeah, and I I guess it's time to

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say goodbye to John because 
we're losing our Beard Talk 

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listeners and we should probably
actually talk about running. 

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Why did you start the YouTube 
channel? 

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I think it was actually just to 
to put the video somewhere 

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because I've been making the 
videos for a lot longer than 

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what the channel's been running 
for. 

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In fact, no one coming on this 
podcast and knowing there'd 

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probably be some questions about
early races and stuff. 

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So I was I was looking up what 
that the first year that I did 

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the wall, which was 2013 and and
there is actually a really, 

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really crap video from from back
then. 

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It's still it's still unedited. 
And the fact I was looking at 

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some of the pretty job it, it's 
just dire. 

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Like it's absolutely I don't 
even know. 

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I didn't remember the time my 
dad gave me some little sport. 

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I'm not saying that. 
He said, Oh, that'd be good. 

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You know, if you're going in 
your runs and it was like a 

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Kodak piece of crap, really AK 
like really narrow focused on 

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it. 
And but yeah, so I like ever 

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since I started, you know, I 
these runs, I've just been kind 

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of filming them and kind of in 
the same way that you you might 

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just take some photos when 
you're out on a run. 

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Like I would just be like, oh, 
well, just take a wee video and 

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then that's good. 
When you're watching back. 

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It's, it's, you know, it'll 
remind you a bit more of a scene

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rather than it just being a 
photo. 

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So, yeah, I, I mean, I was 
always filming the stuff and, 

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and it was just when it got to 
the point that I was like, you 

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know, putting, putting the video
together to, to create 

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something. 
And again, when I first started 

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doing that, it was just for my, 
for my own pleasure. 

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That's a long word. 
But you know, a bit like when 

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you go on holiday, it's just 
like you edit down all your 

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photos that you've just got a 
wee album look at. 

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It was kind of like that 
something that I would know that

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I would look back on because 
some of the unedited stuff is 

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just drivel. 
You know, Now when I'm doing big

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ones like 100, like 100 mile a 
race, I mean, I can have 

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anything between 3:00 to 4:00 
hours of content that I've got 

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to whistle down. 
You know, that sometimes getting

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down to an hour, maybe then 50 
minutes or, or maybe a bit 

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longer. 
So there's, you know, there 

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could be anywhere like 3 hours 
of just rubbish, you know, and, 

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and I remember back in the day 
thinking, well, I've never going

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to watch all that rubbish. 
So cut it down, make it into a 

442
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,480
video and then, and then I might
work that back at some point. 

443
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,080
And it was, it was probably only
when I had done that quite for 

444
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,480
for quite a few years, I was 
like, maybe I should actually 

445
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,400
just like put these somewhere 
that I can then, you know, 

446
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,480
watch. 
And I mean, I suppose I thought 

447
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,080
at that point, like start a 
YouTube channel and, you know, 

448
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,720
some people might be interested.
And, you know, remember the 

449
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,080
first, first time I got like 
over 100 years. 

450
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:36,040
And even if just like mental, I 
want to watch man, like I mean, 

451
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,520
doing something. 
And so, you know, like 

452
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,600
effectively, like I just thought
it was little home movies and 

453
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,160
and also that's just growing and
still is, still is growing, you 

454
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,240
know, and but yeah, that was, I 
mean, I think I started the 

455
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,040
channel I've about five years 
ago still or five years ago. 

456
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:04,640
And yeah, first, first videos on
it, which is quite funny because

457
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,200
it was how I look now. 
So like there was the I can't 

458
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,080
even remember if there was 
enough videos that you saw the 

459
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,600
progression of the beard. 
I don't, I don't really think 

460
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,560
there was because there was a 
bit stop starting. 

461
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:23,080
But yeah, the first video was 
the Salomon Ring of steel race. 

462
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,880
And yeah, that was a that was a 
a fresh faced knee. 

463
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,600
It was funny because I look back
at the videos then and it was 

464
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,800
like, you know, they're like 
about four minutes long. 

465
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:42,320
I managed to do a full race and 
make a video that only four 

466
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,680
minutes long, you know? 
Yeah. 

467
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,200
Now I'm, yeah, stuck. 
Yeah. 

468
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,000
I just, I know I just filmed too
much that that's it, to be 

469
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,840
honest. 
And I end up with big long 

470
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,400
videos. 
But again, people seem to enjoy 

471
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,320
them. 
So that's the, that's the main 

472
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,280
thing. 
They are brilliant, like when 

473
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,280
you just go out and when you say
like, I follow you on Strava as 

474
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,760
well and if you've done a big 
adventure, my first thought is 

475
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,080
hope he's recorded that like no 
pressure. 

476
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,760
Yeah, and you can be sure if it 
is a long adventure then then I 

477
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:26,440
will filmed it. 
Although I'm quite interested to

478
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,240
go and do some, like some of the
races I've already done that 

479
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,600
I've filmed. 
I think it'd be quite 

480
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,080
interesting to go back and do 
them again and not film like 

481
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,800
just you just yeah, you seem to 
be immersed in the race. 

482
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,600
But like I've been doing filming
that long that it's not really 

483
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,960
there's no sort of the thought 
process or distraction. 

484
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,080
But you know, I think I think I 
would probably still get the 

485
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,440
same amount of a race building 
it or not not building it. 

486
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,720
But yeah, it would be quite 
interesting to go back, you 

487
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,720
know, maybe something like the 
Lakeland Hundreds, you know, go 

488
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,600
back and and do that again and 
you know, and probably make 

489
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,240
another video. 
That's probably what I would end

490
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,960
up. 
And you were talking about the 

491
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,760
you had your very first one that
you've not published. 

492
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,120
It was a really rubbish camera. 
Have you upgraded your camera 

493
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,040
since the channel have has gone 
live? 

494
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:32,640
And what are you using just now?
Yeah, so like I got a GoPro, 

495
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,520
can't remember what it was. 
Yeah, I've had a few Gopros and 

496
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,360
like, I probably, I've probably 
left it too long to upgrade them

497
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,800
in between, you know, I went 
from like Hero 4 or something to

498
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:52,640
the 8 to the 12. 
And the, the differences between

499
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,760
them is dramatic. 
You mean it really is. 

500
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,160
And I the, but The thing is like
in that time, the the quality 

501
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,760
that you're getting from your 
own was it was better than what 

502
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,200
you were getting from a GoPro, 
you know, So, so I ended up a 

503
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,360
lot of time I ended up just 
using my own or, you know, for, 

504
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,640
for filming and until I got the 
most recent GoPro and I think 

505
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,040
it's the twelve, yeah, I think 
it's 12. 

506
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,720
And that was that was the first 
thing I actually the footage I'm

507
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,200
like, oh, that's now on a par 
with, you know, because, because

508
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,800
beforehand when I was using 
between the GoPro and my my 

509
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,600
phone, you'd actually see the 
difference. 

510
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,240
Whereas now it's very hard to 
tell the difference between the 

511
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:52,120
the forms of Samsung S24. 
I think I've got and you're that

512
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:57,960
versus the the GoPro stuff is 
yeah, I mean it's just it's just

513
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,880
good quality compared to yeah, 
compared to those early days 

514
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,680
stuff, you know, the image 
stabilization, the colours that 

515
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080
all of that is it's a it's a lot
better. 

516
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,560
And I was going to ask as well, 
have you ever been decided that 

517
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,360
you were going to go and do a 
big long run adventure and just 

518
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,480
think you can't be bothered 
filming this? 

519
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:27,520
I just want to enjoy it. 
I've been I've been tempted like

520
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,800
I spoke about that time that I 
headed off to do that 100 pay in

521
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:37,480
the West Island way. 
And like, and I remember I broke

522
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,000
over to more guy. 
I was sitting in the car. 

523
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,400
I was eating a wee bit of cereal
before I was starting it and I 

524
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,760
was going over my head of going 
going to film. 

525
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,360
It should have not the film. 
It should not. 

526
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,239
And then let's just the way 
sitting away and like, but yeah,

527
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,920
should just just start filming 
it. 

528
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,640
And if you if you change your 
mind, at least you can do that. 

529
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Whereas if I start a big run and
it turns out to be a pretty 

530
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:09,480
spectacular dramatic thing that 
I've not started filming or I 

531
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,920
would just kick myself and be 
like this, this would have made 

532
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,400
a great video, you know? 
So yeah, on, on anything big at 

533
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:26,960
the moment, I just go yeah. 
Have you ever done a big run and

534
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,480
like, how does your battery 
last? 

535
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,440
How do you know you're going to 
have enough to the end? 

536
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,040
Yeah. 
So it usually involves carrying 

537
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,920
lots of extra weight in the form
of battery packs and spare 

538
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,640
batteries for the GoPro and all 
that. 

539
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,440
That's something to pay with the
new Go pros as well. 

540
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,840
The batteries, the do the enduro
battery, which is which is 

541
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,760
brilliant and just last last few
ages. 

542
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:57,120
So yeah, usually I've got like 
GoPro battery charger in my bag 

543
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,000
with battery back, battery back 
so that I can literally be 

544
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,800
charging stuff on the go. 
I also have my 2 phones. 

545
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,120
So because the problem, the 
thing that Google can't do 

546
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,200
particularly well is zooming. 
So whereas on on the Samsung, 

547
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,560
we've got that optical zoom. 
So if there's something in the 

548
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,720
distance or you know, just to 
just actually zoom in to use my 

549
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,720
phone and also at night things 
that the GoPro is not really 

550
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,640
good at night, whereas the phone
because it's got the then built 

551
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,320
flash on it, then it is all 
better. 

552
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,440
I know what you can get. 
There's a kind of media kit 

553
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,000
thing you can get for the GoPro,
but I just always there's a lot 

554
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,880
of things that I just go that's 
just more faff like you know, 

555
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,760
and and some things you just you
know, it might not be as much 

556
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,480
faff as what I think, but I'm 
just there later. 

557
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,480
You know, what I do at the 
moment seems to work. 

558
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,440
So if I'm on, if I'm on a big 
race that is through the night, 

559
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:09,120
then GoPro or during the day, my
secondary phone, I use that for 

560
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,720
filming through the night or any
zoom shots and stuff. 

561
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:19,720
The thing that I have learned to
do is that because sometimes the

562
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:24,400
GoPro has been sitting for a 
while, the date, get the date 

563
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:31,440
and time gets a bit squeamish. 
And that can be a real backsage 

564
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,560
when it comes to you've got 
footage from the camera from 

565
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,920
from the phone and you've got 
from the GoPro. 

566
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,560
But the the dates, the date and 
time is all different and you're

567
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:48,600
trying to combine them into one.
It's just a roof that actually 

568
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:55,240
sit and rename as you can do. 
You can do it where you can sort

569
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,320
it by date modified. 
So if you actually go in and 

570
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,240
modify. 
So I usually have to change it 

571
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:06,520
all individually, each file 
that's the right date and time 

572
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,760
so that it all fits in together.
The real The real theme. 

573
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,960
What software do you use for 
Edin? 

574
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,760
So I I used an app called 
Stinnymaster can I think it's 

575
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:28,160
meant to be Stinnymaster but 
it's with AK in master and I 

576
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,120
just do it on my phone. 
I don't have a don't have a 

577
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,920
computer or a laptop or 
anything. 

578
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,680
I just literally do everything 
on my phone. 

579
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,920
Do you use any gimbals, selfie 
sticks or anything like that? 

580
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,480
Or are you just handheld to the 
camera? 

581
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,400
Nope, just just handheld the I I
only actually got myself a 

582
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,880
little healthy stick stand, 
which the phone is on now 

583
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,200
because because I just kind of 
had to because and that was only

584
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,440
like maybe that's a rough few 
months ago. 

585
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,080
Any time that I was going to 
film and do like a re review 

586
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:10,800
video, I was going to balance 
phone and I would like cobble 

587
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,280
together things to hold the 
phone up to the right right 

588
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,200
angle. 
It's quite quite ridiculous. 

589
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Yeah, same. 
I really really maybe about a 

590
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,640
month ago invested in like a 
little microphone again. 

591
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,760
I realized when I was doing I 
mean, just review things, the 

592
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,280
site the the same quality wasn't
great. 

593
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,280
So I was like, right, I better 
actually be if you get that. 

594
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,640
But but yeah, when I'm out on 
the out doing doing a race and 

595
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,360
filming it, the the phone is 
just like put in my hand. 

596
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:50,960
I've got like a little GoPro do 
like this little tripod stand 

597
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,520
sort of thing, like with AI mean
it only extends by me like 9 or 

598
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,120
10 inches or something. 
There's enough just just to 

599
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,280
hold, you know? 
That's pretty much it. 

600
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,520
And there's no plans to Chuck a 
drone into the mix for the 

601
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:13,040
headache of the editing as well.
So like I have, I actually 

602
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,960
bought a drone and then it sat 
there and I thought, right, I'm 

603
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,800
not. 
I was very tended just to open 

604
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,080
it and try it, but I was like, 
wait, just wait until you know, 

605
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,600
there's a time that you're going
to use it and not just use it to

606
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:35,200
play about with to create some 
little little videos of handing 

607
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,720
around me that I might just 
never really use. 

608
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,040
You know, when when actually you
integrate into one of my videos 

609
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,040
and like, I just, I just didn't 
know when. 

610
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,320
So I think I just I just I just 
sent it back. 

611
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,200
I didn't I didn't even take it 
out the box, didn't even try it.

612
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,640
I was like it's just going to be
something else to fashion about 

613
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,000
with something else to think 
about and and ahead of going to 

614
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:09,400
do the twist out 100 just last 
month again, you know, a 

615
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,720
stunning place. 
I've seen some of the footage 

616
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,400
from over there and I thought a 
drone would be really good, even

617
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,640
if they go up in the days before
film some cool shots and then I 

618
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,400
can integrate that into the 
video. 

619
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,240
And then I'm just like, it's 
just not, it's like it's not my 

620
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:30,240
style of, you know, filming 
like, you know, in fact, Nikki, 

621
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,920
it's you always kind of say or 
really love your vlogs and I've 

622
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,840
never, I hope it's just been 
like, well, I think they're like

623
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,680
maybe the documentary sort of 
thing. 

624
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,400
And then I'm like, no, it's just
literally me. 

625
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,600
You burn away through the 
camera, like, and that doesn't 

626
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,280
lend itself too well to getting 
broken up within, like, shots 

627
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,240
that clearly weren't taken at 
that same time. 

628
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:03,200
You know, my, I think the thing 
that people like about my race 

629
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,080
to videos is that it's very much
just, you know, you know, a 

630
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,360
documentary of start to finish. 
Yeah, that's it. 

631
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,920
So, yeah. 
So I'm not, I can't be bothered 

632
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,160
with with the with the drawing. 
I don't. 

633
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,840
Think as you say there, I don't 
think it's missing it either 

634
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:29,040
because a lot of people, and 
this is how I found you, go on 

635
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,800
to YouTube and say, right, I'm 
doing the John Muirway race. 

636
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,800
That was my first ultra and your
video popped up. 

637
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,920
Now, this was at a time I didn't
know John Muirway went from 

638
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Helensburg to Dunbar and spent 
the video like, because I 

639
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,240
couldn't believe that it went 
that far. 

640
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,680
I thought it was just what I was
running and clearly not. 

641
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,920
So that's good for that, for 
Becky's, especially if you 

642
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:03,640
struggle to get to places. 
You're saying it's or Nikki says

643
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,560
it's a vlog. 
You said documentary diary. 

644
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,600
It's basically a record of what 
you've done. 

645
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,080
If people haven't seen your 
videos, have you got a favorite 

646
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080
or which one would you say? 
Go and watch this one first. 

647
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Oh yeah, like favorite. 
I mean, like the probably the 

648
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,360
one I enjoy the most, like film 
because like, like I said, the 

649
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,800
filming isn't a distraction in 
any way, but it can I, you know,

650
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,760
for me enjoying the race, that's
what I mean. 

651
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,400
It's not, it's not distracting 
from joining the race, but it 

652
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,240
can sometimes be a good 
distraction from how hard a race

653
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,520
can be. 
So when I'm in the thick of it 

654
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,840
is a lot of time when I bring 
the camera out and I would 

655
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,120
probably in the thick of it the 
most when I was doing the race 

656
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,480
across Scotland. 
So that's like a 215 mile 

657
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:16,200
continuous journey from West to 
the East Coast of of Scotland. 

658
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,080
And it was the first time I'd 
ever done continuous race of 

659
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,640
that nature. 
I've done stage races before, 

660
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:31,360
like Deep Breath Ultra is 
longer, but it's split over 8 

661
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,520
stages. 
Whereas this was just literally 

662
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,360
you start and I mean you can, 
you can stop and sleep and get 

663
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,280
some foods and all that, but 
it's not for you. 

664
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,920
You know, they've got 
checkpoints where they've got 

665
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,040
some wee beds, camp beds that 
you can lay out on. 

666
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:53,320
But I, I find filming that 
because it was, it felt like 

667
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,720
such a journey and you're out 
for several days out there like 

668
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,120
these races, you know, unlike a 
fake race where everybody all 

669
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,640
regroups each day and then it 
spreads out a wee bit. 

670
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,080
But this like you're over those 
over those days, the, the field 

671
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,120
just spreads to the point where,
you know, you might not see 

672
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:16,320
anybody for three or four hours.
So it's kind of like the, the 

673
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,760
camera really just becomes my 
friend, you know, like maybe 

674
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,400
other people thought themselves 
and I am literally talking to 

675
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:31,200
myself, but that's to the camp. 
So that, yeah, I, you know, that

676
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,360
was a that was fairly epic. 
And like I said, I hadn't ever 

677
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,720
done anything that's that size 
before. 

678
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:41,800
So, you know, it was a good, it 
was a good one to, it was a good

679
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,480
one to film and it was a good 
one to edit. 

680
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,240
Because over that period, it's 
hard to remember the thing you 

681
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,760
finished. 
You finished every like that. 

682
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,400
And I mean, it was, I mean, it 
took me what, like 72 hours or 

683
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,800
something is that is, or nights.
But like, it certainly felt like

684
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,720
I'd been out for about two 
weeks, you know, often when this

685
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,680
when it started to finish 
because you just feel like you 

686
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,000
can go along. 
So, yeah, that was to be able to

687
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,760
to watch back the footage and it
all down, you know, just going 

688
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,840
to remind you, you know, things 
that you've forgotten about. 

689
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,880
If you don't mind me, I didn't 
make I'm a really big fan of 

690
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,000
Paul's channel and watched 
probably most of the videos. 

691
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,280
My favorite one of yours, Paul 
recently was the UTS one. 

692
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,560
And knowing like how strong a 
runner you are and say, even 

693
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,480
though you could clearly see you
were having a time of it, you 

694
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,680
were still so positive. 
And you're like, oh, I knew it 

695
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,800
was hard, but I didn't realize 
it was going to be this tough 

696
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,840
and it mate, I thought, my God, 
that looks absolutely solid. 

697
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,800
If you're really, really like 
that was a tremendous watch and 

698
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,080
to see you finishing it at the 
end was sorry guy, spoiler 

699
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,800
alert, you finished, but it was.
Spoiled. 

700
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,720
Spoiler alert I there's there's 
none that have not finished yet 

701
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,640
so well. 
That's good. 

702
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,080
There's not been a DNF the deal 
yet. 

703
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,080
Oh, don't say yet you. 
Never know. 

704
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,400
I mean, you know over at over 
that Swiss Alps, one knew 

705
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,360
another guy, another one tank 
there, a guy that was going over

706
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,040
for it. 
He was doing the 100 Ki think it

707
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:42,400
was a yeah, 100K and he, he went
over his ankle like about 3030 

708
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,800
miles in or something and like 
had to had to go and he was just

709
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,720
like, you know, I've got this. 
Yeah, but it's a different, it's

710
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:54,360
a different thing. 
No, you know, yeah, people, 

711
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,200
people want to see me finish, 
but it doesn't always go to plan

712
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,560
and sometimes people like to see
it when it doesn't go to plan. 

713
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,200
So yeah, you never know, never. 
Hopefully, hopefully it's 

714
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,880
finished. 
See, if you're running along and

715
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,320
you're like chatting to somebody
but you think, oh, I need to 

716
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,920
film now. 
Do you stop like hold back and 

717
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,200
let them go or how you work 
around that? 

718
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,240
Yeah, so I've, yeah, I'm not, 
I'm not shy about just getting 

719
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,800
the camera out and just being 
like, so you know, particularly 

720
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,480
if there's like a really nice 
bit of scenery or a really 

721
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,720
pretty bit coming up or 
something like that. 

722
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:42,040
And it's like the the video 
takes priority actually, you 

723
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,560
know, does that, especially 
because you can then just catch 

724
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,600
up with somebody and carry on a 
bit of conversation. 

725
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,880
But like I even yeah, I actually
felt quite bad because the on 

726
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,720
the on that's results 101 quite 
near the start was chatting to 

727
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,440
that guy really just they were 
proper good chat. 

728
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,840
Like I looked around because 
it's quite near the start. 

729
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,280
We're looking back during this 
hill and you just saw all yours 

730
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,040
coming up and it was like in a 
corner that they're all running 

731
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,160
around. 
And I was just like, yeah, short

732
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,680
of that. 
And I was just like, I'll just, 

733
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,400
I'll catch you. 
And I never did catch him up 

734
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,960
because he was quicker. 
So. 

735
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,880
But yeah, it was just like, I 
need, I need to stop. 

736
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,000
And I didn't get a shot. 
And like, I mean, and I suppose 

737
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,520
the thing I think with that is 
that, you know, I end up using 

738
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:37,080
that shot in the video, but I'd 
still rather rather do, I mean, 

739
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,240
that's, you know, my, I've got a
sort of 5050 split of focus when

740
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,760
I'm doing a race. 
And obviously I want to finish 

741
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,960
and I want to film and make a 
good a good video. 

742
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,800
And you mentioned earlier on 
that you done West Highland Way 

743
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:58,160
Lakeland Tour and One year, 
which is 3 epic events. 

744
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,680
Have you got a favorite, even if
it wasn't one of those three 

745
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,160
that you've done? 
Favorite race or a favorite 

746
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,800
adventure? 
I mean, still probably my 

747
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:15,000
favorite is the Lakeland 
Hundreds, maybe just for a few 

748
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,440
reasons. 
Like it's a really well 

749
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,320
organized race. 
It's a good fun race. 

750
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,400
Like, you know, the organizers 
put a lot of effort in to just 

751
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,240
make it a really enjoyable 
experience right from the start.

752
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,680
So, you know, checkpoints are 
brilliant. 

753
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,720
You know, they're all different 
themes and each year they have a

754
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,600
different theme for the whole 
thing. 

755
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,880
There's a lot of a lot of 
thought goes into and it's just 

756
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,120
a great route. 
There's a bit of hills in it, 

757
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,920
but not too much. 
There's some nice trail to run 

758
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,720
in this. 
There's a little bit of mud, 

759
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,440
there's a bit of clambering 
stuff. 

760
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,320
There's it's just a good beard 
route and it's just a nice big 

761
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,160
loop as well. 
So, you know, like I've 

762
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,280
mentioned that Swiss Alps one, 
the scenery in the Swiss Alps 

763
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,040
was stunning, but it was a bit 
of a weird where you there's a 

764
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,160
few points where you went out 
and back and double backing 

765
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,280
yourself and all of that. 
And it just felt a wee bit like,

766
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,000
well, yeah, they've got 100 
miles together, but they've kind

767
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,200
of had to do it by zigzagging 
back and forward, whereas 

768
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,600
something like legs and you're 
just like, oh, you, you start 

769
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,840
and then you lead off from this 
massive big loop and come all 

770
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,440
the way back right into the 
start again. 

771
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:34,880
So yeah, Lake Lakeland hundreds 
is, is definitely up there with,

772
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,480
with, with probably the, the 
race that I enjoyed the most 

773
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:43,640
because it was like, it was like
peak training as well. 

774
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,280
Like, you know, a few weeks 
before, a month before I'd done 

775
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,040
the West Island way. 
Then a few weeks before, I'd 

776
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,800
done, in fact, my most recent 
video that came out about me 

777
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,200
running the CCC, that was 
actually in between doing the 

778
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:05,640
West Island Way, Lakeland, and I
was in full swing for training 

779
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,880
for the Tour as well. 
So yeah, Lakeland just felt a 

780
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,680
very enjoyable race. 
I felt fit for it, did it within

781
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,480
the time of what I thought I was
going to do. 

782
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,840
And I mean, it's hard, it's 
always hard running these 

783
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,880
distances, but it was 
manageable. 

784
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,800
So yeah, that was a that was a 
good one. 

785
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:34,600
And during all your events, 
you've obviously got to eat two 

786
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,440
questions. 
What do you fuel with? 

787
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,680
And well, actually three 
questions does it, How do you 

788
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,800
fuel on a day-to-day basis? 
And also, do you record in your 

789
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,200
videos what you're eating? 
Yeah, well, just on that last 

790
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,720
note. 
So like, do I record? 

791
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,040
No, because I don't have enough 
fans to. 

792
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:06,680
I've quite often thought about 
like filming because when I do 

793
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,360
big events, particularly if I'm 
doing one of my own challenges 

794
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,560
where there's not tops. 
So I've got to pretty much load 

795
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,520
up with everything that I'm 
going to need to run whatever 

796
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,240
100 miles or something. 
And so I usually have this just 

797
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:28,160
a big bag, big freezer bag with 
like gels and some just stuff 

798
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,960
all in it. 
That's up in the pack that I 

799
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,040
use. 
My mom montane pack has got like

800
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,960
really big side pockets that's 
all just stuffed into into the 

801
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,640
side. 
And I've quite often thought 

802
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,280
like, oh, I should actually film
because people ask like, what do

803
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,640
you use when I run? 
And I tell you that my favorite 

804
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:54,400
gel that I use is the SIS beta 
ones, beta gels. 

805
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,440
They're great. 
They're they're just really 

806
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:58,600
good. 
Easy in the stomach. 

807
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,160
So so that is that's 
predominantly what I use, but 

808
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:11,880
also just like snicker bars and 
stuff like that, Waffles, how to

809
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,040
shock all this. 
They're good, you know, all the 

810
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,040
different random things. 
But yeah, the difficulty is, is 

811
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:26,200
like to to take that bag out, to
fold it, to get out of jail, to 

812
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:33,880
open it, to take it. 
I'm like myself doing it and and

813
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,720
and like, so, yeah. 
In fact, I don't think you 

814
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,280
probably you've never seen me in
any of my videos taking a jail. 

815
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,600
And yet, you know, on one of my 
big runs myself, I mean, I could

816
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:53,320
go through, yeah, I might have 
gone through a dozen, so. 

817
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,040
So, yeah. 
But on a on a on a race, I try 

818
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:03,720
and rely on checkpoints and just
eat whatever's whatever's up to 

819
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:09,280
pay points subsidized with my 
pack with the bundles of gels 

820
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,000
isn't. 
It what? 

821
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,920
What about on a day-to-day basis
when you're not running? 

822
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,480
Do you follow a pretty standard 
junk food diet or just eat 

823
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,680
healthily? 
Yeah, I mean, we do. 

824
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:29,120
We, I mean, we never, we always 
make dinner like from from 

825
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,920
scratch whenever that sort of 
microwave meal or carry outs or 

826
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,400
anything like that. 
I mean, the only thing that, you

827
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,040
know, would, you know, Sunday 
night is pizza night. 

828
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:44,360
So that's, that's usually the 
only sort of junk food or 

829
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,080
something, you know, that you 
know, and just eat it, you know,

830
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,640
you know, meat, fish, you know, 
we went through a spell of quite

831
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,600
as much meat. 
But you know, to be honest with 

832
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,440
I, I am always conscious of 
protein intake. 

833
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:14,200
And in fact, I find protein of 
the fuel works a lot better for 

834
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:19,640
me than than carb loading. 
I don't know, just because I'm 

835
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,040
my body's used to using Torrance
as a fuel. 

836
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,720
It's just quite efficient at 
using them. 

837
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,400
But like when people say, oh, I 
would, you know, in the days 

838
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,040
before, I think my body is just 
like, yeah, yeah, we're just, 

839
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,520
we're not going to store much 
that because we'll just use it, 

840
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:42,720
you know, whereas protein I find
I if I if before a big race, I 

841
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:46,920
had like a couple of big beef 
burgers or something, that's 

842
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,800
that's a pretty good fuel for me
to, you know, see me through it,

843
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,760
see me through this. 
But yeah, do. 

844
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,360
You have a favorite flavour of 
gel, Paul. 

845
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,680
Well, actually I do my favorite 
favorite gel and it's getting 

846
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:12,520
harder and harder to get them is
the I5 gel Aqua Berry flavour. 

847
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,720
It's the best. 
It's so, so easy to go down. 

848
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,200
It's just like having a wee just
it's really really, really, 

849
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,440
really, really get them. 
Yeah, from what I found now you 

850
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,400
can only buy them when you buy 
it as this multi pack of the 

851
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,400
Thai 5 Aqua. 
So you get some of the Berry 

852
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,640
ones, you get some of the orange
ones and then you also get a 

853
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:42,560
bundle of the caffeine ones. 
Like caffeine gels are all 

854
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,680
right. 
I will take one or two of them 

855
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,360
from doing a big overnight or 
sort of thing, but but yeah, not

856
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,200
not all that often. 
So generally I end up with a 

857
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:59,440
cover tool in jail, yeah. 
Anybody anybody out there knows 

858
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,520
how to get a hold of high 5 Aqua
Berry flavour? 

859
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,320
I think you said stick it in the
Instagram comments. 

860
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,920
Yeah, yeah, they're possibly out
there. 

861
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:17,080
You know, I just just just a, 
they just ordered a bundle of 

862
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,080
stuff actually old environment 
was really good if you sign up 

863
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,760
to their path and you get really
good discounts on things. 

864
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:31,640
So like those the SIS beta fuel 
stuff, usually they're 2 lbs of 

865
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,480
gel. 
If you are an art member, you 

866
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,960
get it down to 150 and quite 
often they'll do like special. 

867
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,280
I just got a 25% discount thing.
So like near enough brought it 

868
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,960
down to take over a pound for 
one of those gels, which is 

869
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,400
pretty, pretty good going. 
So I, I think I ordered about 40

870
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:56,800
of them. 
Oh, Joe the boxer, I've got it 

871
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,040
just sitting in there. 
It's it's just one big box of 

872
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,080
gels. 
You were being good ambassador 

873
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,840
for Holiday from Barrett then. 
Well, you know, if they want to 

874
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,480
send me free gels. 
That leads us nicely on to the 

875
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,280
next question. 
Are you an ambassador for anyone

876
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,080
or are you working on any 
projects at the moment? 

877
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:30,240
Ambassador for I'm wearing I'm 
wearing a Gorwier top and I was,

878
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,160
if you're not watching this, I 
was showing it to the camera 

879
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:38,000
because so just recently, not 
under sponsorship or not under 

880
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,120
really actually any obligation, 
but Gorwier, I've just reached 

881
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,560
out to to say that, you know, 
they're really like my really 

882
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,360
like my stuff and you know, and 
I like their stuff. 

883
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,880
So they're sending me sending a 
bundle of it and it was great. 

884
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,200
Really this really is decent 
stuff, but we've only just 

885
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,840
started crying. 
I've had some go away stuff in 

886
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:03,200
the past, but like, yeah, the 
stuff that they're developing at

887
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:09,920
the moment is is really, really 
top high end stuff and you can 

888
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,640
tell the quality of it like. 
You know, I've had, I mean, like

889
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,800
you're one of my favorite pair 
of shorts up till now has been 

890
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:23,000
from Salomon and like, I think 
it's just a Salomon since 5 inch

891
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,560
or 7 inch shorts. 
And they're they're great. 

892
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,360
They're they're really comfy, 
but they only last about a year.

893
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,440
Like in fact, I've got got a 
pair of shorts that I thought 

894
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,800
I'd be good for just this year's
races more than three times and 

895
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,640
they're already actually falling
apart. 

896
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:44,320
I mean, right enough. 
It's been like 300 Miller races.

897
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,960
But like, you know, they, yeah, 
they they're good at start, but 

898
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,320
I think the Gorway stuff feels 
like it's just going to last the

899
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,440
last, which is, which is pretty 
good. 

900
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:03,720
And obviously Gorwayer is the 
the brand is Gore Gore Weir's 

901
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,280
part of that, as is Gore Tex to 
be like the product of Cortex to

902
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,560
everywhere else that you see it.
It's actually they're 

903
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,720
accompanying. 
So they actually get a proper 

904
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,680
gore wear vortex jacket. 
I mean, it's just phenomenal the

905
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,080
the quality of it. 
So yeah, you know, happy to 

906
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,240
definitely happy to, to wear 
their stuff. 

907
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,760
Like I said, not exclusively. 
And I and I don't have to say 

908
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,480
anything good about them, you 
know, but I do because they're 

909
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,720
they're decent. 
They really are. 

910
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:44,880
They're decent stuff. 
And next question on set is why 

911
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:52,400
do you run? 
Don't really know what else to 

912
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,200
do. 
That's a fair enough answer. 

913
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,040
Yeah, I don't. 
I just, I actually don't. 

914
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,680
I don't know. 
I don't, I don't know why I, why

915
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,040
I think the, I mean, I, I enjoy 
it. 

916
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,040
Of course I enjoy it. 
Why I do the big runs sometimes 

917
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,160
I have to question because 
they're hard and there's just 

918
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,120
impossibly hard sometimes. 
Like making you mentioned just 

919
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:24,320
about the, the ultra tail 
Snowdonia video and how you 

920
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,680
know, that was a really tough 
reason. 

921
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,040
It was, I don't remember being 
like 30 kilometers in and just 

922
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,720
thinking, holy crap, I don't 
know how I'm going to get 

923
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:38,920
through the next 138 kilometers.
Like, it's just insane, you 

924
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,760
know? 
But but yeah, it's, yeah. 

925
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,440
So I forgot what what led us on 
to what led us on to that, what 

926
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,560
we're seeing. 
Why do you die? 

927
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,560
Why? 
Why anything? 

928
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,360
Yeah, why? 
Why do I do it? 

929
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:06,000
So I probably the biggest reason
or the the biggest benefit that 

930
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,800
I get out of doing the big, big 
stuff is that it means that I 

931
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:17,800
can go out and do like A20K 
trail run, ring duck or, you 

932
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,840
know, a local trail. 
Just thoroughly enjoy it. 

933
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,080
Like it's not it's not hard 
work. 

934
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,720
I don't think it hard. 
I mean, obviously I can push 

935
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,160
myself a bit faster and that can
make it harder, but it's, it all

936
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,320
seems it's it's like within my 
comfort zone. 

937
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,520
So like I look at these big 
races that I do of just 

938
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:43,560
expanding my comfort zone and, 
and it means that everything 

939
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,080
that's within it now. 
And it's funny because like even

940
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:54,160
a sort of 100 Miller is it's on 
the edges of the comfort zone, 

941
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,960
you know, But like if somebody 
was like all this, there's 100 

942
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:04,640
mile, we want you to go and do 
next week, probably be like, all

943
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,640
right, you know, I probably 
wouldn't have to give it too 

944
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,800
much, too much thought, which, 
yeah, even. 

945
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,160
And it's good. 
So there's a few things coming 

946
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,760
up that I've got which are just 
just like like mountain 

947
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,360
marathons, like just like 32 
kilometers in the mountains. 

948
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,200
And it's like, that's, that's 
great. 

949
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,640
I mean, it's hard, but it's like
all really quite manageable. 

950
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,320
And what do you think about when
you're out on your runs? 

951
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:48,560
I not an awful lot really. 
Like literally, if it's a, if 

952
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:53,560
it's just a day-to-day runs, 
then usually it's taken up with 

953
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:59,560
what am I going to call this run
on Strava and like, and and 

954
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,840
what, what photo am I going to 
put on Strava? 

955
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,720
Like, and it, and it might seem 
ridiculous, Like as you said, if

956
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,480
you, if you follow me on on 
Strava, like most of the time 

957
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,640
the runs are stopped. 
The team, you know, if I'm out 

958
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,640
with Charlie, it's Charlie Chops
Dobson five, yeah, 5K run. 

959
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,320
So, you know, but I always try, 
I always try and, you know, get 

960
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,320
a nice photo or something, you 
know, to put on. 

961
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,560
So usually that that's only my 
thought of have a have a taking 

962
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,600
a good enough photo and it's 
just for Strava. 

963
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,760
I don't, you know, I see other 
people that you know, it goes 

964
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,960
the the photo goes on Straba, 
but then the Straba post is also

965
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,560
then Rep it's on Instagram and 
you get the same photo on the, 

966
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,600
you know, the the map of the run
and all that. 

967
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,960
And I'm just a bit like, I don't
know, it's just because I run 

968
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,520
pretty much every day, but I 
can't be bothered with with 

969
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,680
that. 
So I, I actually, I mean, I use 

970
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:08,280
a bit of Instagram mostly around
I'm doing like a big event or 

971
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,400
something like that. 
It's quite cool to because as 

972
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,680
well as, you know, filming for 
my, for my video for, for these 

973
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,040
braces, I also really like 
getting good photos and it's 

974
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,880
just a nice place to put the 
photos in. 

975
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:27,160
But as far as actual social 
media goes, probably my Strava 

976
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:32,120
is my daily social media 
platform that I use the most, 

977
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,600
you know, because I run every 
day, put a wee comment on and I 

978
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,480
take a photo and and put it on. 
So yeah. 

979
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:48,320
And if it's one of the bigger 
ones, then I'm I'm usually just 

980
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,400
thinking about either the 
filming or thinking about 

981
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:57,080
distance and how far as to go to
the next checkpoint and what 

982
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,640
we've got to come to. 
Then we're just enjoying the 

983
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,760
scenario. 
Like I think one of the reasons 

984
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:08,120
why that from Lithonia that knew
was so good or people enjoyed it

985
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,280
is because the weather was 
phenomenal. 

986
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,720
It was just clear blue sky. 
You can see for miles. 

987
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:18,920
And, you know, compare that to 
like the the Cape Wrath when I 

988
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,160
did that. 
And, you know, the video for 

989
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,320
that is all right, but it's like
it could have been a lot 

990
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,520
serious. 
That had been nicer weather. 

991
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:30,880
We literally got a few days of 
being, which, yeah, is a bit 

992
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,800
harder to make an interesting 
video of. 

993
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,320
And do you have a dream race or 
any adventure that's on your 

994
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:45,080
bucket list? 
I mean, probably just the usual 

995
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:49,440
suspects like, you know, would 
be it would be cool to do UT MB,

996
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:55,840
Mont Blanc, just be such a buzz.
It really would be. 

997
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,760
You know, having done the UTSI 
may have some stones to get me 

998
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,440
an entry. 
I think your friends are still 

999
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,360
pretty slim to none. 
Similar with like the the 

1000
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:14,280
Western state, Western state 100
mile or bad water or Hard Rock 

1001
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,359
or some of these big American 
ones would be would be really 

1002
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:21,479
cool to get into, but they're 
just so hard to to get into. 

1003
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,560
And like there's, there's also 
part of the things. 

1004
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,080
Yeah. 
I mean, it'd be very cool to do 

1005
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,880
these races. 
But in some ways a nicer way to 

1006
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,120
experience a route like that is 
to do what I did, you know, with

1007
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,520
that decent scene. 
I mean, that was made through a 

1008
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,200
UTMV route, but it was like a 
week after I had done the 

1009
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,720
Western way race and I was just 
thinking, yeah, like just 

1010
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,319
pushing it a wee bit. 
And so I decided to do half. 

1011
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,960
I'm doing it over 2 days. 
Just meant that you got to see 

1012
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,920
all the scenery. 
You didn't have like 8 to 10 

1013
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,200
hours of darkness, that you're 
missing stuff, that you've got 

1014
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,439
to still try and film a bit to 
document the journey. 

1015
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,600
But you're not, you're just not 
seeing it. 

1016
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,600
You're literally just in my face
let up by the flash of the the, 

1017
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:16,399
the phone. 
So yeah, yeah. 

1018
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,279
I mean, yeah, UTMB would be 
would be great, yeah. 

1019
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,520
Next question, you might say you
don't want to run with anybody 

1020
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,720
because you want to film the 
race or run, but do you have a 

1021
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,600
person or made-up person that 
you would dream about running 

1022
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,720
with? 
Made-up person? 

1023
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:48,640
I don't think about made-up 
person, no like going back many 

1024
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,120
years before having a child, 
before we had a dog, me and my 

1025
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,400
wife did do quite a lot of 
running together. 

1026
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:02,400
We did the the western way over 
over three days together. 

1027
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,480
And we're really building up our
training and doing bigger 

1028
01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:09,760
distances and we've started to 
look into doing some other sort 

1029
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,720
of European races and things 
like that. 

1030
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:17,200
But the problem is she's a 
teacher and is it's difficult to

1031
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,640
time get the time off and 
there's not a lot of these 

1032
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,360
because because a lot of these 
big races go around very popular

1033
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,040
routes. 
These routes are at their 

1034
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,120
busiest in the summer months. 
So they tend not to do them 

1035
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,000
then. 
So they're they tend to be sort 

1036
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:37,840
of early June or late August. 
And you know, so be it would be 

1037
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,200
great Now. 
I think it's now the child. 

1038
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:47,600
It's be harder to to go and do 
big adventures together, but 

1039
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,320
probably, yeah. 
I mean, it'd be nice. 

1040
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,600
It'd be nice to do more runs 
with my wife. 

1041
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,120
We do. 
We do get out some nice trail 

1042
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,280
runs together. 
My parents look after the child.

1043
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:03,120
But I would say if there's, if 
there's one person that I would 

1044
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:08,640
love to do a big adventure with 
and it probably won't happen. 

1045
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,440
So This is why this is just an 
imaginary thing. 

1046
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:15,200
And it would be my son. 
So he's only two of them. 

1047
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:21,520
He's going to turn 3 in October.
But like, he loves running 

1048
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,560
around and I and I hope that 
when he gets older, he gets, 

1049
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,760
yeah, who knows, inspired by 
some of my videos or, you know, 

1050
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,080
my daddy did this and I'm going 
to go and do that. 

1051
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:37,720
You know, it would be so cool to
go and do something like 8 graph

1052
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:42,040
ultra with my son. 
The reality is that that's 

1053
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:47,040
probably not going to happen 
because I'm 45. 

1054
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:52,160
He's just about 3. 
It could be 20 odd years before 

1055
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:56,720
he's looking, you know, and I'm 
like 65 pushing 70. 

1056
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:00,840
And I'm like, you know, so if, 
if in a if in a made-up world, 

1057
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,800
going to tape rap culture with 
my boy, then. 

1058
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,120
You you get people in their 70s 
doing the West had away. 

1059
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,520
So never say never. 
It might still happen yet. 

1060
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,680
This is. 
I haven't completely worn myself

1061
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,120
out by then. 
You took you took words out of 

1062
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,440
my mouth, Maker. 
I think the oldest finisher on 

1063
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,960
the West Highland Way this year 
was 73. 

1064
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,240
Yeah. 
And they got a really good time 

1065
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:31,160
as well. 
Just think by the time you are, 

1066
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,240
you said 65. 
How good the GoPro is going to 

1067
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:40,200
be by then? 
Or how good the AI will be that 

1068
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:45,360
you just you know. 
You didn't need to run it, you 

1069
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,720
just needed to put it into AI 
and then you believe that you 

1070
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,400
ran me your son. 
That's I know that's it. 

1071
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:57,280
I know it's it's going to be the
whole AI thing and how that's, 

1072
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,800
you know, changing. 
Yeah. 

1073
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,520
We're we're getting to the 
stage. 

1074
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,440
Have you seen the film Total 
Recall where you get a brain 

1075
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:09,000
implant to go for a holiday to 
Mars? 

1076
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:16,920
Yeah, I, I mean, there, there's 
a lot, there's a lot of stuff 

1077
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,400
that, you know, films and of the
past that you look at and go 

1078
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,520
crazy. 
Actually, that could be, yeah, 

1079
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,280
it could be, actually. 
Back then it was a fantasy 

1080
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,560
world, but now it's actual 
reality at some point. 

1081
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:36,240
Yeah, but yeah, even I mean it, 
it's funny. 

1082
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:41,160
Just the the the I, I actually 
used AI for the first time ever 

1083
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:45,640
on photo. 
It was for my thumbnail for the 

1084
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,960
CCC video that I've just put 
out. 

1085
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,440
Because I've all the time when 
I'm going through and editing a 

1086
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:58,720
video, I'm, I'm always on the 
lookout for a nice little, you 

1087
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:03,640
know, screen grab that would 
make a good, a good thumbnail. 

1088
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,840
And sometimes that you want, 
maybe you want to go to be in it

1089
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,640
because it helps. 
But the problem is when you're 

1090
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,440
out doing these things yourself,
you're often when you're not in 

1091
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:14,280
a range, you've not got other 
runners around. 

1092
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,920
So I've taken the quite just 
taking that sort of stealthy 

1093
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,080
photo itself was like more born 
behind, but it was quite, it was

1094
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,920
only as wide as you can get with
a wide angle in your tone. 

1095
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:31,480
So I, I asked AI Google's AII 
was like, can you just make this

1096
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,920
photo just a bit bigger? 
And it just went like that think

1097
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:39,240
there you go another painting 
and some more trees. 

1098
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,120
And I was like, oh, cool. 
That's been like, you know, even

1099
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,080
in the original photo, like you 
only saw like like half of one 

1100
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:50,000
of my legs and it's like it's 
like added in the rest of my leg

1101
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,600
and a chew. 
Like it's quite, quite bad. 

1102
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,200
But yeah, when you when you see 
the when you see the original 

1103
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,880
photo and the AI1 next to it's 
quite, it's like, I just 

1104
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,160
wouldn't know. 
It's really quite, it's quite 

1105
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:06,320
bad. 
What it, what it can come up 

1106
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,840
with, you know, and hopefully 
that was using an existing 

1107
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,800
photo, but I'm sure there's 
people out there, you know, just

1108
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:16,920
using completely made-up photos 
and claiming them as their own, 

1109
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,480
you know. 
So aside from us looking forward

1110
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:24,640
to your Swiss Alps video, which 
I hope is going to come out 

1111
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,080
soon, what's next for you 
running wise? 

1112
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,720
So yeah, nothing major. 
It's always funny when people 

1113
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,880
talk about nothing major. 
I said that at the beginning of 

1114
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,720
this year because like last year
I had quite a few decent big 

1115
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,880
races, including the four, you 
know, again, for people that 

1116
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,800
don't know what the Tour is, the
tour, Tour de Jean is, is a 

1117
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,440
continuous race, which is 330 
kilometers through the Italian 

1118
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,320
Alps. 
Nice big look. 

1119
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:02,480
And you go around the Altavia 2 
and then one it's it's Megan. 

1120
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,320
You've got like 24,000 meters of
elevation. 

1121
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:11,040
I did it in just over 130 hours.
And again, you're just on the go

1122
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,800
trying to get sleep from the 
can. 

1123
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,400
So that was that was fairly mega
heading into this year where 

1124
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:23,080
it's like really only just got 
like 100 mile races, nothing, 

1125
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,160
nothing major. 
And and what I've got led is 

1126
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,520
then not major at all compared 
to that. 

1127
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,960
So we're up to to do the skyline
Scotland weekend because it's 

1128
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,240
back. 
It was the they didn't do it 

1129
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,160
last year. 
It's back on this year up in 

1130
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,160
Fort Williams. 
So the now they've moved the 

1131
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:53,520
event village to the Nevis Range
E Centre and the the the whole 

1132
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:59,200
new bunch of races. 
So I grew up to do the steel 

1133
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:06,120
marathon, which for yeah, 42K 
through some mountains, don't 

1134
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,280
really know why they called it 
steel marathon. 

1135
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,800
But you know, in previous years 
they had the ring of steel, 

1136
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,240
which you pretty much ran the 
whole ring of steel, a bit 

1137
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,520
disjointed the way they did it. 
But you know, you did do pretty 

1138
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,000
much the full ring of steel 
route, whereas this mean you, 

1139
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,280
you literally touch on to the 
end of the steel, you know, I 

1140
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:31,920
think it's so there's that. 
That's that's towards the end of

1141
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:36,080
this month in maybe a few weeks,
a few weeks or something. 

1142
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,680
And then there's also the Loch 
Ness Marathon. 

1143
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,960
So I'm going up going up to do 
that. 

1144
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,920
That was a sort of last minute 
invite to go to go and do it. 

1145
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,320
Go aware are quite heavily 
involved in it through the 

1146
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,880
through run for it, run for it 
or the our main retail with, 

1147
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,560
with the, with the Loch Ness 
Marathon. 

1148
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,760
And so they they'd asked if I 
wanted to go do and I'll say I'd

1149
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,320
be quite nice to go and do go 
and do a road marathon. 

1150
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,720
Not done, not done one of them 
in a while. 

1151
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,840
And I do quite like I think the 
buzz you get from from a is 

1152
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,840
pretty cool. 
You know, the close on 10,000 

1153
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,000
people going up for the for the 
weekend. 

1154
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,840
So it's, it's good. 
It's busy. 

1155
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,240
We've got that. 
And then a week or two after 

1156
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:32,360
that, there's a brand new event,
brand new running festival in 

1157
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,120
Scotland up in Sterling. 
It's the William Wallace Running

1158
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,960
Festival, which looks brilliant.
They've got like a good, good 

1159
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,240
variety of races. 
I'd imagine they've probably 

1160
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:50,040
still got places for, for some 
of them 170K, which is the 

1161
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,320
biggest, biggest race. 
And it looks a really pretty 

1162
01:18:54,320 --> 01:19:00,160
cool group being quite this mix 
of just we're in the back of 

1163
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,920
Sterling, you know, bridge of 
Allen touching on the the 

1164
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:09,400
Ocalls. 
So yeah, that's and that's 

1165
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:15,720
pretty much all of the well, in 
fact, James, so are we boys 

1166
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,560
called James? 
He's got to do his purchase race

1167
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,240
at that festival, the the really
most festival. 

1168
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,360
So he's done. 
He's been his first one 

1169
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,480
kilometer trail race. 
So that'll yeah, don't, don't 

1170
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:33,880
know how that's going to go, but
he's just not very focused on 

1171
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:39,320
doing it in one go, you know, 
starting to jump in puddles or 

1172
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,840
something. 
You've got to enjoy it. 

1173
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:44,480
Yeah. 
He does. 

1174
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,000
He loves, he loves running 
around. 

1175
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,680
He is just young. 
But yeah, he's, he does love it.

1176
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,160
Thankfully he's got no option 
really as he grows up. 

1177
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,520
You're going to have to be 
enjoying that indoors. 

1178
01:19:56,440 --> 01:19:59,600
As Peppa Pig would say, who 
doesn't love jumping in muddy 

1179
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:05,640
puddles? 
So up brings us to an end 

1180
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,000
tonight. 
Unless Nikki's got any other 

1181
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,480
questions. 
It's been great chat to you, 

1182
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,720
Paul. 
Everybody's going to look out 

1183
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,800
for the random runner on 
YouTube, Instagram, and whatever

1184
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:22,040
other socials that they want to.
It's just for me to say. 

1185
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:25,720
Thank you, Paul for coming on. 
Thank you Nikki for being Nikki 

1186
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,520
and goodbye. 
Thanks for coming on, Paul. 

1187
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:31,960
Yeah, no worries guys. 
It was it was good chatting.