Hello and welcome to another episode of Run Till You're Done.
The guest that we have on for this episode has quite a number
of epic adventures and we are very fortunate that he takes us
along with a lot of them on YouTube known as the Random
Runner. So welcome to the podcast, Paul
Manson. Thanks for thanks for having me
on. You're very welcome.
Start off by introduction. You giving us an introduction.
So how did you first get into running?
So yeah, quite a while ago it was like, like I was always
pretty sporty at school and, you know, like, but into just a mix
of different sports, you know, from anything like basketball,
badminton, swimming and cycling. And I'm probably like in my
early 20s, I was more a cyclist. That's what I used to do most.
And then started doing some of these sort of adventure races
things. You know, like, was that the
men's men's health survival challenge?
Do you Remember Remember about that as a sort of obstacle
racing sort of thing that was now like did that back in like
20/11/2012 and that was like, you know, so that was a bit of
running, jumping over stuff and all that.
And that kind of lead me into some of the rat race stuff,
which, yeah, I kind of quite liked it because a lot of the
things were sort of multi sport. Like there was that one across
Scotland. The, yeah, the, the, the rat
race, the when we, yeah, this all first Scotland's basically,
and you know, you, you, you run a bit, you cycle a bit, you can
move a bit. Yeah, there was one up in
Northeast going like you go over towards Inverness and down.
I think there's been a few different ones.
Something challenge I think it was called.
I can't quite remember coast to coast.
What's the coast? Yeah, there was a Coast to Coast
challenge. Yeah.
So, so yeah, it was pretty much like it was, it was doing those
sort of things that just got me doing a mix of different things,
which also involved running. And like most of their stuff
then was focused around running and I did some of our big
cycling things. But yeah, it was kind of the,
the things that started to intrigue me was the, the longer
distance running, running stuff. So did yeah, I remember, I think
the first one of there's the sort of running thing that I did
was the the mighty deer stalker. Remember, remember that.
It's now I think it's I don't think I don't that's the one
that they like advertised it as like it was like 10 miles, but
it was or 16 K and it ended up it was like 20 K or something.
That was my I think that was actually pretty much one of my
first running races that I did. And I just like dabbled a wee
bit with doing some trail running and then entered this
thing thinking, Oh yeah, about 16 Ki can think I could manage
that. And it's like like 20 K.
You still weren't done. You know, it was pretty, pretty
horrific running at night and I hadn't really experienced all
that before. So yeah.
And then that just sort of LED one thing into another and that
so yeah, I mean, we're talking like 1313 years ago is when I,
when I first started, yeah. And it was, it was these sort of
events that led me to one of the other events that rat race run,
which is called the wall. They're still, they do still do
the wall as an option marathon back then they did it as a 2 day
auction. So you could, yeah, you could.
It's like 70 miles. So split that over 2 days.
But there was the option at that point to do it in one day, which
I thought was just like mental of a lot like people that would
run. I just could, I don't be honest.
I couldn't. I couldn't understand how
somebody could run that sort of distance in in one go.
Stop Loonies. Absolutely loonies.
Rat race do coast to coast and it is as you described, 100
miles run, cycle, kayak, Inverness, Glen Nevis, that sort
of thing. Yeah, that's the one.
The other one that I was getting, I was thinking is they
also do one called The Crossing or did.
Again, I've kind of lost track of the rat race stuff.
Was it because it just ended up too expensive?
They used to do this pass where you bought like, you know, you
paid like £500 a year and that got your entry into pretty much
all the events and they gave you like like £150 to spend in their
shops. Certainly it really worked out
pretty good, but obviously that's when they were just
building up and getting getting their audience.
Make a name for themselves. Yeah.
And yeah, I mean their events, their events are good.
You know, they're with organized and stuff.
They are just quite, they are just quite pricey.
So I, you know, just depends what you're looking for.
And with rat Race, the checkpoints, I would imagine
they're really well stocked and the volunteers are fab.
Yeah. I mean, I think when the last
rat used to be I did it's a it's a while ago.
So although I do quite fancy going back and doing the wall, I
did that twice. I did it in 20, 13 and then 2012
I think it was and 20/13/2014 and both times we did it over
the two days because I still at that stage.
So when the mental people run 70 miles and I quite, I quite fancy
going back and doing the wall and doing it in seven, doing it
in in the winter and then the 70 K 70 miles now that it doesn't
daunt me quite as much as it as it did back then.
So you answered my next question, which was your what is
your first race? And you answered, dear Stalker.
So I'm going to adapt that question slightly.
And we know that you're known for you should have been the
random runner and you go out on your adventures and not having
to pay for an event and just go out and do them.
So what was your first big run that you went out and recorded
and thought, oh wow, I've done that?
Freaky. Yeah, actually remember I was I
was having to look back in my videos and see like before
coming on this, I actually look back because you know, you it's
good to just remind yourself when you when you end up being
quite a lot, you know, it's to try and remember what you what
you've done. I mean, I remember the first
sort of multi day thing that I did myself was the John Muir,
John Muir wee, which was like over three days.
So that was quite a yeah, that was when I just started into
kind of, you know, thinking, oh, just actually go and do like my
own big, big adventure. And that was like, obviously I'm
working my way through all the Scotland great trails.
That's one of them. There's like 28 of them.
So I'm, I'm slowly working my way through them.
And so far, like, I think maybe like half of them or less than
half have got like races that are run on them.
So you get to do them as part of an event or the others are
pretty much me just going off and deciding to run 170 key in a
in a winner, you know, But yeah, I can't, I can't quite remember
the like, yeah, the first, the first one of those that I did,
you know, or I no, actually I do.
I do. I remember first thing that I
decided just to go and do and it was I went to try and break 100
kilometers because I hadn't run. This is maybe like 3 or 4 years
ago. I've done quite a lot of ultras.
I've been doing stuff like of, you know, over 50 KS, 80K sort
of thing. But I'd never run over 100
kilometers. So I decided that I would head
out onto the West Highland Way and just run until I got to 100
kilometers, which which I did as as as it turns out, that gets
you to, well, middle of nowhere. So I had to keep going top top.
A Jelly baby hill. Exactly.
Yeah. Now that now on the race, I, I
realized, oh, this is this is actually a significant point.
And I even have a name Jelly Baby Hill.
So yeah, it pretty much took me to exactly that point.
And, and after that, there was, I'd already arranged with, with
my wife Michelle, at that point that she would just meet me
unless it went drastically wrong.
She was just going to meet me at the King's house.
So I kind of just had to keep going on to lane.
So that was like 120 K or something like that.
So, but yeah, that was, I think that was like the first time I
just thought, I'm just going to head in here and and see what
happens. And I suppose the good thing
about that was that it wasn't, it was on something that I knew,
you know, I didn't have to require any, you know, thought
planning as to where do I start this?
Where's, where can I stop? Where can I get water?
All that, you know, I kind of, I just was able to go and, and run
it and, and can I see what happens?
So and then, yeah, all that followed kind of opened up the
floodgate for, for, for everything else.
And Nikki's got on the question set about the YouTube channel.
And before I go in and ask a question, we you're known for
being the Scottish guy with the big beard as the the random
runner. And recently if people have been
watching your YouTube or Instagram channel, you just
shaved your beard. So most important questions are
to come of the whole night. Why did you shave your beard?
You know, I was like when I first started growing it, which
is about 6 years ago, I'd, I just left the sort of big bad
corporate world. Not bad, but I was, I was in the
corporate world of like in a state agent for, for 10 years.
And, you know, you got to be fairly well presented.
So I, I left that and one of the first things that they did was
that I was going to grow a beard.
So I was just like, I really fancy growing a beard.
And I've dabbled with growing beards in, you know, years gone
by, but I just thought, yeah, I just want to just get a, a
decent big beer going and that just kind of going.
And in fact, I, I ended up maintaining it and trimming it
because it was 8 until the length it was just, I don't
know. I just prefer that a little bit
shorter. So I was kind of maintaining it.
I mean, you say shorter, but it was like about, I don't know.
Yeah. You couldn't see my neck.
Let's let's put it that way. Yeah.
And I'd started to toy with the idea of just like, yeah, when
would I shave the beard off? Because I didn't want it to be
something that I had forever and a day.
I thought I'd keep it until 50 and then shave it off and maybe,
you know, feel young again. But I got to well, yeah, 45 now.
And I thought, yeah, another five years, a long time to wait.
So just chop off and see, see what happens when that.
And remember putting a anything out just to say that, you know,
I was thinking of doing it and I kind of made-up my mind that I
was going to do it. But I just wanted to see what
people thought. And like a lot of people were
just like, no, Nicky, Nicky, you were.
I was. Like, no, don't do it.
And you said, oh, you're going to be disappointed.
You were horrified at the the prospect of me.
She's my beard off through. I was more surprised, Paul, when
you've done it and it was done, I'm like, oh, it looks all
right, actually. No, well, like there was no
nasty surprises hiding under there, like, which is good
because you do it like after six years, I mean, I kind of hope
that my piece hadn't changed all that much, but you just never
know, like what's going to what's going to be lurking
underneath. So anyway, it was a lot of
people say no, you can't see it off.
It's like especially doing these YouTube videos, like, you know,
that's how people identify with me.
And it's like, you know, I thought, well, but you know, if
I don't, am I then stuck with it forever because that is my so,
you know, people recognize me. So I just thought, no, take
care, take it off and just, and you could, I could grow it back
if I wanted to. But but The funny thing is I've
just not like I thought, I really thought I would miss it
more than than what I am. And you know, even even from the
very moment of taking it off, I kind of looked at my face and I
went, Oh, that's all right. Actually, I don't, I don't mind.
Like like years ago, I remember like growing a bit of a beer and
it was maybe like about an inch and a half long.
I remember taking it off and just stopped.
I was looking at my face going, what's happened to my chin?
Like why is it so small? I think I've aired myself for
this one. So I'd I'd actually watched back
some of the old, old videos and looked at some photos pre the
beard. So I was kind of I was ready,
ready for and I know that it's gone actually just really like
it. And I don't miss the beard as
much as what I thought I would. So I don't, I don't, I don't
think the beard is going to make a is going to make a comeback.
And before we move on to the main question, finished, not
finished asking. Me questions yet still talking
about the beard. That's what I'm saying before.
We move on before we move. On It's a question about the
beard. Mike, I was going to ask, now
that you have shaved it and it's gone, are you cold when you're
up? I don't know.
We're only we're we've been in and a nice summer, so I don't
actually know what it's going to be like in winter.
I'm hoping that it'll be long enough that I'll just be used to
it. But it was a very strange
feeling. I remember like even inside I
could detect the ear on my face like just I never mind when I
stepped outside, you know, it was just suddenly like what?
Like it wasn't necessarily cold, you know, because I've not been
that cold lately, but just just the feeling of ear on my skin,
on my chin. It was.
Yeah, it was. It was quite weird.
Just a strange kind of thing, you know, when you sing a new
stint. Well, I think you've already
asked a couple of my next questions.
One was any regrets of doing, of cutting off and that was no is
the beer going to make a comeback?
Not anytime soon. Do you feel that it's defined
you? You were the the bearded guy.
People didn't know. People don't know who you are
because you're not the bearded guy anymore.
Yeah, I know. You know, and I mean, I've put
out, I've put out just a few little videos from kind of
review things and stuff that I've done on the channel, but
not an actual like big full on video.
But there is one. So like last month I did the the
Swiss Alps 100 and that was like literally about a week after
shaving the beard off. So, so there is, so there is a
full video to come of me without the beards where you don't know,
you probably get more emotion because the beard just hit a
lot. But it's going to be, it'll be
very interesting actually, even just from an, an editing point
of view because like, you know, for the last, well, since the
channel's been running, I've literally just been used to
editing and seeing my big heat taste.
So, yeah, it's, it is going to be quite strange to, to switch
and, and, and also just see how that reacts with, with people
and new people. Because, yeah, I still think
that there's possibly people that don't want to watch a big
hairy Scottish face on their TV, you know, So I don't know, I
don't know whether there would be a wee bit more appealing to
people potentially. We we will see.
Have you ever like looked in the mirror or woke up in the morning
and realized, wait a minute, I've I've shaved, it's not there
anymore? There was there was a few points
just where like I would pack myself in a mirror or something
like in the in the week of shaving off that I was like, oh,
you know, a bit weird, but I was, I was actually very
surprised how quickly I just got used to, you know, like I
thought I would keep on going to rabbit, you know, like, you
know, because you're constantly when you got, you know, when you
got beard, you're like, especially when you're on big
runs, like I'm always conscious, especially because I'm filming
myself that, that it's it's not looking too straggly.
It always got really unruly on big runs.
But like I even on some of the big ones.
I remember like halfway through the the ultra trail Smithonia
that I did in my drop bag, I had a tangled teaser brush to to
give it a get a brush and make sure it was all are.
We. In.
I don't know the answer. Do you have kids?
Yes, yes, and. What was their opinion of it?
Because they're the ones that count.
Well, yeah, so are we guy. He's he's he'll be turning 3
soon, very young and I'm going to decided I'm going to shave
off. I also decided I wasn't going to
do the cruel thing of it just being a big horrible surprise
for him. Much of them would have been
quite good to have recorded the reaction.
So I got him involved and like made a wee video of him helping
to shave the beard off. And he was like, oh, you know, I
think he's really into it. And it was funny because like,
beard knocking off cleaned it all up.
And I was just like, you know, what do you think?
There's your beard the minute. And then he said, OK, Daddy put
it back on. I was like, I don't know, that
look, it's In Sync. It's there.
And he's like for about an hour saying Daddy put the beard back
on. So he was, he was quite
distraught. I mean, and it's funny because
that that's now been, I mean, it's certainly probably been
about a month or something. And and he'll still sometimes
look at me possibly because I do still sometimes go to go to my
chin to, you know, leave the beard and it's not there.
And I think he sees that and he'll just say, oh Daddy, you've
got, you've got no beard. If it makes you feel any better
Paul, my husband had the same reaction with your beard as
well. He was quite attached to it as
well. You were a bit of a role model
of his. OK but I think this will be the
only interview in this whole podcast he will probably listen
to. Just.
Pause because he. Wants to hear the answers to
these important questions. Exactly.
Then after when we move on, that's when he'll put it back
onto music. Last question, I I've had
various beards over about the same period as you. 2 years is
the longest I grew it for and shaved it off.
No regrets. It was it was the time it was
ready to happen. But one thing that I made sure
that I did when I had a long beard was I went up in the
mountains when it was snowing and I had icicles hanging from
the beard. Did you ever do that?
Yeah, yeah. Quite often complete frozen
beardless going on it. Yeah.
It was quite funny because sometimes you just weren't even
aware of it. You know, you'd be up top of a
mountain and, you know, you're just going to go to wipe and you
go, wow. Like, beard is ice and solid and
that. And it was OK.
Like I remember being up in Loman several times where, you
know, there was no snow down there down at ground level and
only about halfway or further, you know, the top third.
Suddenly you'd find yourself in a bit of snowstorm temperatures
dipped and beard all got covered in snow and ice stuff and
everything. And and that was fine because
you're up in the snow and people are looking go like that one
expected. But it was like, I remember
that. Then on the way down, you know,
you can pass through the snow line people that are heading up
and like you're just coming out looking like some guy that's
just, you know, exploring the Arctic or something.
And there's things that would be like, you know, coming down goes
to take a photo of myself and then like, look, and I'm like,
oh, I've literally still got like icicles all hanging off of
it. Yeah, I got it is.
But get get the face nice and warm.
So like I'm going to, I'm going to notice a difference when it
comes to winter. I might have to start putting on
some of my numerous buffets that I've collected along the way
that up till now have been eerily pointless.
Don't really need a buff when you've got your own one
obviously attached to your face. And something that we started
long, long time ago was a league table which we kind of forgot
about. But something that you need to
do after the podcast is count how many buffs you've got.
OK, yeah, no, no idea, no idea. And I think well, and I think
not to hold on to some there's there's truly just of of the big
races that I've done like last year was a was a good we
collection like of the of the three buff.
Well, maybe got more. But like the the three ones that
I was pretty proud of of last year was the at the West Island
way buff at the West Ham race, the league from hundreds and
also the Tour de Jean, but all from the one year.
So that was that was quite a good interaction.
And that actually something that just to talk about with the
beards that I found, probably the the strangest thing having
then shaved it off is that so for five, you know, six years,
certainly I've been, I've had a big beard and, and most of the
big runs and stuff that I've done, you know, you get like a
little T-shirt at the end. In the few days that followed, I
was like quite excited to go through and try on stuff that
I've only ever seen myself with a beard that I could then put on
without a beard and be like, oh, like I maybe didn't.
There's some stuff that I didn't suit when I had the beard.
And then, you know, I'm like, I can actually wear that T-shirt
now. That kind of looks all right on
me. Yeah, it'll be the same.
It'll be the same with the boss. Yeah, and I I guess it's time to
say goodbye to John because we're losing our Beard Talk
listeners and we should probably actually talk about running.
Why did you start the YouTube channel?
I think it was actually just to to put the video somewhere
because I've been making the videos for a lot longer than
what the channel's been running for.
In fact, no one coming on this podcast and knowing there'd
probably be some questions about early races and stuff.
So I was I was looking up what that the first year that I did
the wall, which was 2013 and and there is actually a really,
really crap video from from back then.
It's still it's still unedited. And the fact I was looking at
some of the pretty job it, it's just dire.
Like it's absolutely I don't even know.
I didn't remember the time my dad gave me some little sport.
I'm not saying that. He said, Oh, that'd be good.
You know, if you're going in your runs and it was like a
Kodak piece of crap, really AK like really narrow focused on
it. And but yeah, so I like ever
since I started, you know, I these runs, I've just been kind
of filming them and kind of in the same way that you you might
just take some photos when you're out on a run.
Like I would just be like, oh, well, just take a wee video and
then that's good. When you're watching back.
It's, it's, you know, it'll remind you a bit more of a scene
rather than it just being a photo.
So, yeah, I, I mean, I was always filming the stuff and,
and it was just when it got to the point that I was like, you
know, putting, putting the video together to, to create
something. And again, when I first started
doing that, it was just for my, for my own pleasure.
That's a long word. But you know, a bit like when
you go on holiday, it's just like you edit down all your
photos that you've just got a wee album look at.
It was kind of like that something that I would know that
I would look back on because some of the unedited stuff is
just drivel. You know, Now when I'm doing big
ones like 100, like 100 mile a race, I mean, I can have
anything between 3:00 to 4:00 hours of content that I've got
to whistle down. You know, that sometimes getting
down to an hour, maybe then 50 minutes or, or maybe a bit
longer. So there's, you know, there
could be anywhere like 3 hours of just rubbish, you know, and,
and I remember back in the day thinking, well, I've never going
to watch all that rubbish. So cut it down, make it into a
video and then, and then I might work that back at some point.
And it was, it was probably only when I had done that quite for
for quite a few years, I was like, maybe I should actually
just like put these somewhere that I can then, you know,
watch. And I mean, I suppose I thought
at that point, like start a YouTube channel and, you know,
some people might be interested. And, you know, remember the
first, first time I got like over 100 years.
And even if just like mental, I want to watch man, like I mean,
doing something. And so, you know, like
effectively, like I just thought it was little home movies and
and also that's just growing and still is, still is growing, you
know, and but yeah, that was, I mean, I think I started the
channel I've about five years ago still or five years ago.
And yeah, first, first videos on it, which is quite funny because
it was how I look now. So like there was the I can't
even remember if there was enough videos that you saw the
progression of the beard. I don't, I don't really think
there was because there was a bit stop starting.
But yeah, the first video was the Salomon Ring of steel race.
And yeah, that was a that was a a fresh faced knee.
It was funny because I look back at the videos then and it was
like, you know, they're like about four minutes long.
I managed to do a full race and make a video that only four
minutes long, you know? Yeah.
Now I'm, yeah, stuck. Yeah.
I just, I know I just filmed too much that that's it, to be
honest. And I end up with big long
videos. But again, people seem to enjoy
them. So that's the, that's the main
thing. They are brilliant, like when
you just go out and when you say like, I follow you on Strava as
well and if you've done a big adventure, my first thought is
hope he's recorded that like no pressure.
Yeah, and you can be sure if it is a long adventure then then I
will filmed it. Although I'm quite interested to
go and do some, like some of the races I've already done that
I've filmed. I think it'd be quite
interesting to go back and do them again and not film like
just you just yeah, you seem to be immersed in the race.
But like I've been doing filming that long that it's not really
there's no sort of the thought process or distraction.
But you know, I think I think I would probably still get the
same amount of a race building it or not not building it.
But yeah, it would be quite interesting to go back, you
know, maybe something like the Lakeland Hundreds, you know, go
back and and do that again and you know, and probably make
another video. That's probably what I would end
up. And you were talking about the
you had your very first one that you've not published.
It was a really rubbish camera. Have you upgraded your camera
since the channel have has gone live?
And what are you using just now? Yeah, so like I got a GoPro,
can't remember what it was. Yeah, I've had a few Gopros and
like, I probably, I've probably left it too long to upgrade them
in between, you know, I went from like Hero 4 or something to
the 8 to the 12. And the, the differences between
them is dramatic. You mean it really is.
And I the, but The thing is like in that time, the the quality
that you're getting from your own was it was better than what
you were getting from a GoPro, you know, So, so I ended up a
lot of time I ended up just using my own or, you know, for,
for filming and until I got the most recent GoPro and I think
it's the twelve, yeah, I think it's 12.
And that was that was the first thing I actually the footage I'm
like, oh, that's now on a par with, you know, because, because
beforehand when I was using between the GoPro and my my
phone, you'd actually see the difference.
Whereas now it's very hard to tell the difference between the
the forms of Samsung S24. I think I've got and you're that
versus the the GoPro stuff is yeah, I mean it's just it's just
good quality compared to yeah, compared to those early days
stuff, you know, the image stabilization, the colours that
all of that is it's a it's a lot better.
And I was going to ask as well, have you ever been decided that
you were going to go and do a big long run adventure and just
think you can't be bothered filming this?
I just want to enjoy it. I've been I've been tempted like
I spoke about that time that I headed off to do that 100 pay in
the West Island way. And like, and I remember I broke
over to more guy. I was sitting in the car.
I was eating a wee bit of cereal before I was starting it and I
was going over my head of going going to film.
It should have not the film. It should not.
And then let's just the way sitting away and like, but yeah,
should just just start filming it.
And if you if you change your mind, at least you can do that.
Whereas if I start a big run and it turns out to be a pretty
spectacular dramatic thing that I've not started filming or I
would just kick myself and be like this, this would have made
a great video, you know? So yeah, on, on anything big at
the moment, I just go yeah. Have you ever done a big run and
like, how does your battery last?
How do you know you're going to have enough to the end?
Yeah. So it usually involves carrying
lots of extra weight in the form of battery packs and spare
batteries for the GoPro and all that.
That's something to pay with the new Go pros as well.
The batteries, the do the enduro battery, which is which is
brilliant and just last last few ages.
So yeah, usually I've got like GoPro battery charger in my bag
with battery back, battery back so that I can literally be
charging stuff on the go. I also have my 2 phones.
So because the problem, the thing that Google can't do
particularly well is zooming. So whereas on on the Samsung,
we've got that optical zoom. So if there's something in the
distance or you know, just to just actually zoom in to use my
phone and also at night things that the GoPro is not really
good at night, whereas the phone because it's got the then built
flash on it, then it is all better.
I know what you can get. There's a kind of media kit
thing you can get for the GoPro, but I just always there's a lot
of things that I just go that's just more faff like you know,
and and some things you just you know, it might not be as much
faff as what I think, but I'm just there later.
You know, what I do at the moment seems to work.
So if I'm on, if I'm on a big race that is through the night,
then GoPro or during the day, my secondary phone, I use that for
filming through the night or any zoom shots and stuff.
The thing that I have learned to do is that because sometimes the
GoPro has been sitting for a while, the date, get the date
and time gets a bit squeamish. And that can be a real backsage
when it comes to you've got footage from the camera from
from the phone and you've got from the GoPro.
But the the dates, the date and time is all different and you're
trying to combine them into one. It's just a roof that actually
sit and rename as you can do. You can do it where you can sort
it by date modified. So if you actually go in and
modify. So I usually have to change it
all individually, each file that's the right date and time
so that it all fits in together. The real The real theme.
What software do you use for Edin?
So I I used an app called Stinnymaster can I think it's
meant to be Stinnymaster but it's with AK in master and I
just do it on my phone. I don't have a don't have a
computer or a laptop or anything.
I just literally do everything on my phone.
Do you use any gimbals, selfie sticks or anything like that?
Or are you just handheld to the camera?
Nope, just just handheld the I I only actually got myself a
little healthy stick stand, which the phone is on now
because because I just kind of had to because and that was only
like maybe that's a rough few months ago.
Any time that I was going to film and do like a re review
video, I was going to balance phone and I would like cobble
together things to hold the phone up to the right right
angle. It's quite quite ridiculous.
Yeah, same. I really really maybe about a
month ago invested in like a little microphone again.
I realized when I was doing I mean, just review things, the
site the the same quality wasn't great.
So I was like, right, I better actually be if you get that.
But but yeah, when I'm out on the out doing doing a race and
filming it, the the phone is just like put in my hand.
I've got like a little GoPro do like this little tripod stand
sort of thing, like with AI mean it only extends by me like 9 or
10 inches or something. There's enough just just to
hold, you know? That's pretty much it.
And there's no plans to Chuck a drone into the mix for the
headache of the editing as well. So like I have, I actually
bought a drone and then it sat there and I thought, right, I'm
not. I was very tended just to open
it and try it, but I was like, wait, just wait until you know,
there's a time that you're going to use it and not just use it to
play about with to create some little little videos of handing
around me that I might just never really use.
You know, when when actually you integrate into one of my videos
and like, I just, I just didn't know when.
So I think I just I just I just sent it back.
I didn't I didn't even take it out the box, didn't even try it.
I was like it's just going to be something else to fashion about
with something else to think about and and ahead of going to
do the twist out 100 just last month again, you know, a
stunning place. I've seen some of the footage
from over there and I thought a drone would be really good, even
if they go up in the days before film some cool shots and then I
can integrate that into the video.
And then I'm just like, it's just not, it's like it's not my
style of, you know, filming like, you know, in fact, Nikki,
it's you always kind of say or really love your vlogs and I've
never, I hope it's just been like, well, I think they're like
maybe the documentary sort of thing.
And then I'm like, no, it's just literally me.
You burn away through the camera, like, and that doesn't
lend itself too well to getting broken up within, like, shots
that clearly weren't taken at that same time.
You know, my, I think the thing that people like about my race
to videos is that it's very much just, you know, you know, a
documentary of start to finish. Yeah, that's it.
So, yeah. So I'm not, I can't be bothered
with with the with the drawing. I don't.
Think as you say there, I don't think it's missing it either
because a lot of people, and this is how I found you, go on
to YouTube and say, right, I'm doing the John Muirway race.
That was my first ultra and your video popped up.
Now, this was at a time I didn't know John Muirway went from
Helensburg to Dunbar and spent the video like, because I
couldn't believe that it went that far.
I thought it was just what I was running and clearly not.
So that's good for that, for Becky's, especially if you
struggle to get to places. You're saying it's or Nikki says
it's a vlog. You said documentary diary.
It's basically a record of what you've done.
If people haven't seen your videos, have you got a favorite
or which one would you say? Go and watch this one first.
Oh yeah, like favorite. I mean, like the probably the
one I enjoy the most, like film because like, like I said, the
filming isn't a distraction in any way, but it can I, you know,
for me enjoying the race, that's what I mean.
It's not, it's not distracting from joining the race, but it
can sometimes be a good distraction from how hard a race
can be. So when I'm in the thick of it
is a lot of time when I bring the camera out and I would
probably in the thick of it the most when I was doing the race
across Scotland. So that's like a 215 mile
continuous journey from West to the East Coast of of Scotland.
And it was the first time I'd ever done continuous race of
that nature. I've done stage races before,
like Deep Breath Ultra is longer, but it's split over 8
stages. Whereas this was just literally
you start and I mean you can, you can stop and sleep and get
some foods and all that, but it's not for you.
You know, they've got checkpoints where they've got
some wee beds, camp beds that you can lay out on.
But I, I find filming that because it was, it felt like
such a journey and you're out for several days out there like
these races, you know, unlike a fake race where everybody all
regroups each day and then it spreads out a wee bit.
But this like you're over those over those days, the, the field
just spreads to the point where, you know, you might not see
anybody for three or four hours. So it's kind of like the, the
camera really just becomes my friend, you know, like maybe
other people thought themselves and I am literally talking to
myself, but that's to the camp. So that, yeah, I, you know, that
was a that was fairly epic. And like I said, I hadn't ever
done anything that's that size before.
So, you know, it was a good, it was a good one to, it was a good
one to film and it was a good one to edit.
Because over that period, it's hard to remember the thing you
finished. You finished every like that.
And I mean, it was, I mean, it took me what, like 72 hours or
something is that is, or nights. But like, it certainly felt like
I'd been out for about two weeks, you know, often when this
when it started to finish because you just feel like you
can go along. So, yeah, that was to be able to
to watch back the footage and it all down, you know, just going
to remind you, you know, things that you've forgotten about.
If you don't mind me, I didn't make I'm a really big fan of
Paul's channel and watched probably most of the videos.
My favorite one of yours, Paul recently was the UTS one.
And knowing like how strong a runner you are and say, even
though you could clearly see you were having a time of it, you
were still so positive. And you're like, oh, I knew it
was hard, but I didn't realize it was going to be this tough
and it mate, I thought, my God, that looks absolutely solid.
If you're really, really like that was a tremendous watch and
to see you finishing it at the end was sorry guy, spoiler
alert, you finished, but it was. Spoiled.
Spoiler alert I there's there's none that have not finished yet
so well. That's good.
There's not been a DNF the deal yet.
Oh, don't say yet you. Never know.
I mean, you know over at over that Swiss Alps, one knew
another guy, another one tank there, a guy that was going over
for it. He was doing the 100 Ki think it
was a yeah, 100K and he, he went over his ankle like about 3030
miles in or something and like had to had to go and he was just
like, you know, I've got this. Yeah, but it's a different, it's
a different thing. No, you know, yeah, people,
people want to see me finish, but it doesn't always go to plan
and sometimes people like to see it when it doesn't go to plan.
So yeah, you never know, never. Hopefully, hopefully it's
finished. See, if you're running along and
you're like chatting to somebody but you think, oh, I need to
film now. Do you stop like hold back and
let them go or how you work around that?
Yeah, so I've, yeah, I'm not, I'm not shy about just getting
the camera out and just being like, so you know, particularly
if there's like a really nice bit of scenery or a really
pretty bit coming up or something like that.
And it's like the the video takes priority actually, you
know, does that, especially because you can then just catch
up with somebody and carry on a bit of conversation.
But like I even yeah, I actually felt quite bad because the on
the on that's results 101 quite near the start was chatting to
that guy really just they were proper good chat.
Like I looked around because it's quite near the start.
We're looking back during this hill and you just saw all yours
coming up and it was like in a corner that they're all running
around. And I was just like, yeah, short
of that. And I was just like, I'll just,
I'll catch you. And I never did catch him up
because he was quicker. So.
But yeah, it was just like, I need, I need to stop.
And I didn't get a shot. And like, I mean, and I suppose
the thing I think with that is that, you know, I end up using
that shot in the video, but I'd still rather rather do, I mean,
that's, you know, my, I've got a sort of 5050 split of focus when
I'm doing a race. And obviously I want to finish
and I want to film and make a good a good video.
And you mentioned earlier on that you done West Highland Way
Lakeland Tour and One year, which is 3 epic events.
Have you got a favorite, even if it wasn't one of those three
that you've done? Favorite race or a favorite
adventure? I mean, still probably my
favorite is the Lakeland Hundreds, maybe just for a few
reasons. Like it's a really well
organized race. It's a good fun race.
Like, you know, the organizers put a lot of effort in to just
make it a really enjoyable experience right from the start.
So, you know, checkpoints are brilliant.
You know, they're all different themes and each year they have a
different theme for the whole thing.
There's a lot of a lot of thought goes into and it's just
a great route. There's a bit of hills in it,
but not too much. There's some nice trail to run
in this. There's a little bit of mud,
there's a bit of clambering stuff.
There's it's just a good beard route and it's just a nice big
loop as well. So, you know, like I've
mentioned that Swiss Alps one, the scenery in the Swiss Alps
was stunning, but it was a bit of a weird where you there's a
few points where you went out and back and double backing
yourself and all of that. And it just felt a wee bit like,
well, yeah, they've got 100 miles together, but they've kind
of had to do it by zigzagging back and forward, whereas
something like legs and you're just like, oh, you, you start
and then you lead off from this massive big loop and come all
the way back right into the start again.
So yeah, Lake Lakeland hundreds is, is definitely up there with,
with, with probably the, the race that I enjoyed the most
because it was like, it was like peak training as well.
Like, you know, a few weeks before, a month before I'd done
the West Island way. Then a few weeks before, I'd
done, in fact, my most recent video that came out about me
running the CCC, that was actually in between doing the
West Island Way, Lakeland, and I was in full swing for training
for the Tour as well. So yeah, Lakeland just felt a
very enjoyable race. I felt fit for it, did it within
the time of what I thought I was going to do.
And I mean, it's hard, it's always hard running these
distances, but it was manageable.
So yeah, that was a that was a good one.
And during all your events, you've obviously got to eat two
questions. What do you fuel with?
And well, actually three questions does it, How do you
fuel on a day-to-day basis? And also, do you record in your
videos what you're eating? Yeah, well, just on that last
note. So like, do I record?
No, because I don't have enough fans to.
I've quite often thought about like filming because when I do
big events, particularly if I'm doing one of my own challenges
where there's not tops. So I've got to pretty much load
up with everything that I'm going to need to run whatever
100 miles or something. And so I usually have this just
a big bag, big freezer bag with like gels and some just stuff
all in it. That's up in the pack that I
use. My mom montane pack has got like
really big side pockets that's all just stuffed into into the
side. And I've quite often thought
like, oh, I should actually film because people ask like, what do
you use when I run? And I tell you that my favorite
gel that I use is the SIS beta ones, beta gels.
They're great. They're they're just really
good. Easy in the stomach.
So so that is that's predominantly what I use, but
also just like snicker bars and stuff like that, Waffles, how to
shock all this. They're good, you know, all the
different random things. But yeah, the difficulty is, is
like to to take that bag out, to fold it, to get out of jail, to
open it, to take it. I'm like myself doing it and and
and like, so, yeah. In fact, I don't think you
probably you've never seen me in any of my videos taking a jail.
And yet, you know, on one of my big runs myself, I mean, I could
go through, yeah, I might have gone through a dozen, so.
So, yeah. But on a on a on a race, I try
and rely on checkpoints and just eat whatever's whatever's up to
pay points subsidized with my pack with the bundles of gels
isn't. It what?
What about on a day-to-day basis when you're not running?
Do you follow a pretty standard junk food diet or just eat
healthily? Yeah, I mean, we do.
We, I mean, we never, we always make dinner like from from
scratch whenever that sort of microwave meal or carry outs or
anything like that. I mean, the only thing that, you
know, would, you know, Sunday night is pizza night.
So that's, that's usually the only sort of junk food or
something, you know, that you know, and just eat it, you know,
you know, meat, fish, you know, we went through a spell of quite
as much meat. But you know, to be honest with
I, I am always conscious of protein intake.
And in fact, I find protein of the fuel works a lot better for
me than than carb loading. I don't know, just because I'm
my body's used to using Torrance as a fuel.
It's just quite efficient at using them.
But like when people say, oh, I would, you know, in the days
before, I think my body is just like, yeah, yeah, we're just,
we're not going to store much that because we'll just use it,
you know, whereas protein I find I if I if before a big race, I
had like a couple of big beef burgers or something, that's
that's a pretty good fuel for me to, you know, see me through it,
see me through this. But yeah, do.
You have a favorite flavour of gel, Paul.
Well, actually I do my favorite favorite gel and it's getting
harder and harder to get them is the I5 gel Aqua Berry flavour.
It's the best. It's so, so easy to go down.
It's just like having a wee just it's really really, really,
really, really get them. Yeah, from what I found now you
can only buy them when you buy it as this multi pack of the
Thai 5 Aqua. So you get some of the Berry
ones, you get some of the orange ones and then you also get a
bundle of the caffeine ones. Like caffeine gels are all
right. I will take one or two of them
from doing a big overnight or sort of thing, but but yeah, not
not all that often. So generally I end up with a
cover tool in jail, yeah. Anybody anybody out there knows
how to get a hold of high 5 Aqua Berry flavour?
I think you said stick it in the Instagram comments.
Yeah, yeah, they're possibly out there.
You know, I just just just a, they just ordered a bundle of
stuff actually old environment was really good if you sign up
to their path and you get really good discounts on things.
So like those the SIS beta fuel stuff, usually they're 2 lbs of
gel. If you are an art member, you
get it down to 150 and quite often they'll do like special.
I just got a 25% discount thing. So like near enough brought it
down to take over a pound for one of those gels, which is
pretty, pretty good going. So I, I think I ordered about 40
of them. Oh, Joe the boxer, I've got it
just sitting in there. It's it's just one big box of
gels. You were being good ambassador
for Holiday from Barrett then. Well, you know, if they want to
send me free gels. That leads us nicely on to the
next question. Are you an ambassador for anyone
or are you working on any projects at the moment?
Ambassador for I'm wearing I'm wearing a Gorwier top and I was,
if you're not watching this, I was showing it to the camera
because so just recently, not under sponsorship or not under
really actually any obligation, but Gorwier, I've just reached
out to to say that, you know, they're really like my really
like my stuff and you know, and I like their stuff.
So they're sending me sending a bundle of it and it was great.
Really this really is decent stuff, but we've only just
started crying. I've had some go away stuff in
the past, but like, yeah, the stuff that they're developing at
the moment is is really, really top high end stuff and you can
tell the quality of it like. You know, I've had, I mean, like
you're one of my favorite pair of shorts up till now has been
from Salomon and like, I think it's just a Salomon since 5 inch
or 7 inch shorts. And they're they're great.
They're they're really comfy, but they only last about a year.
Like in fact, I've got got a pair of shorts that I thought
I'd be good for just this year's races more than three times and
they're already actually falling apart.
I mean, right enough. It's been like 300 Miller races.
But like, you know, they, yeah, they they're good at start, but
I think the Gorway stuff feels like it's just going to last the
last, which is, which is pretty good.
And obviously Gorwayer is the the brand is Gore Gore Weir's
part of that, as is Gore Tex to be like the product of Cortex to
everywhere else that you see it. It's actually they're
accompanying. So they actually get a proper
gore wear vortex jacket. I mean, it's just phenomenal the
the quality of it. So yeah, you know, happy to
definitely happy to, to wear their stuff.
Like I said, not exclusively. And I and I don't have to say
anything good about them, you know, but I do because they're
they're decent. They really are.
They're decent stuff. And next question on set is why
do you run? Don't really know what else to
do. That's a fair enough answer.
Yeah, I don't. I just, I actually don't.
I don't know. I don't, I don't know why I, why
I think the, I mean, I, I enjoy it.
Of course I enjoy it. Why I do the big runs sometimes
I have to question because they're hard and there's just
impossibly hard sometimes. Like making you mentioned just
about the, the ultra tail Snowdonia video and how you
know, that was a really tough reason.
It was, I don't remember being like 30 kilometers in and just
thinking, holy crap, I don't know how I'm going to get
through the next 138 kilometers. Like, it's just insane, you
know? But but yeah, it's, yeah.
So I forgot what what led us on to what led us on to that, what
we're seeing. Why do you die?
Why? Why anything?
Yeah, why? Why do I do it?
So I probably the biggest reason or the the biggest benefit that
I get out of doing the big, big stuff is that it means that I
can go out and do like A20K trail run, ring duck or, you
know, a local trail. Just thoroughly enjoy it.
Like it's not it's not hard work.
I don't think it hard. I mean, obviously I can push
myself a bit faster and that can make it harder, but it's, it all
seems it's it's like within my comfort zone.
So like I look at these big races that I do of just
expanding my comfort zone and, and it means that everything
that's within it now. And it's funny because like even
a sort of 100 Miller is it's on the edges of the comfort zone,
you know, But like if somebody was like all this, there's 100
mile, we want you to go and do next week, probably be like, all
right, you know, I probably wouldn't have to give it too
much, too much thought, which, yeah, even.
And it's good. So there's a few things coming
up that I've got which are just just like like mountain
marathons, like just like 32 kilometers in the mountains.
And it's like, that's, that's great.
I mean, it's hard, but it's like all really quite manageable.
And what do you think about when you're out on your runs?
I not an awful lot really. Like literally, if it's a, if
it's just a day-to-day runs, then usually it's taken up with
what am I going to call this run on Strava and like, and and
what, what photo am I going to put on Strava?
Like, and it, and it might seem ridiculous, Like as you said, if
you, if you follow me on on Strava, like most of the time
the runs are stopped. The team, you know, if I'm out
with Charlie, it's Charlie Chops Dobson five, yeah, 5K run.
So, you know, but I always try, I always try and, you know, get
a nice photo or something, you know, to put on.
So usually that that's only my thought of have a have a taking
a good enough photo and it's just for Strava.
I don't, you know, I see other people that you know, it goes
the the photo goes on Straba, but then the Straba post is also
then Rep it's on Instagram and you get the same photo on the,
you know, the the map of the run and all that.
And I'm just a bit like, I don't know, it's just because I run
pretty much every day, but I can't be bothered with with
that. So I, I actually, I mean, I use
a bit of Instagram mostly around I'm doing like a big event or
something like that. It's quite cool to because as
well as, you know, filming for my, for my video for, for these
braces, I also really like getting good photos and it's
just a nice place to put the photos in.
But as far as actual social media goes, probably my Strava
is my daily social media platform that I use the most,
you know, because I run every day, put a wee comment on and I
take a photo and and put it on. So yeah.
And if it's one of the bigger ones, then I'm I'm usually just
thinking about either the filming or thinking about
distance and how far as to go to the next checkpoint and what
we've got to come to. Then we're just enjoying the
scenario. Like I think one of the reasons
why that from Lithonia that knew was so good or people enjoyed it
is because the weather was phenomenal.
It was just clear blue sky. You can see for miles.
And, you know, compare that to like the the Cape Wrath when I
did that. And, you know, the video for
that is all right, but it's like it could have been a lot
serious. That had been nicer weather.
We literally got a few days of being, which, yeah, is a bit
harder to make an interesting video of.
And do you have a dream race or any adventure that's on your
bucket list? I mean, probably just the usual
suspects like, you know, would be it would be cool to do UT MB,
Mont Blanc, just be such a buzz. It really would be.
You know, having done the UTSI may have some stones to get me
an entry. I think your friends are still
pretty slim to none. Similar with like the the
Western state, Western state 100 mile or bad water or Hard Rock
or some of these big American ones would be would be really
cool to get into, but they're just so hard to to get into.
And like there's, there's also part of the things.
Yeah. I mean, it'd be very cool to do
these races. But in some ways a nicer way to
experience a route like that is to do what I did, you know, with
that decent scene. I mean, that was made through a
UTMV route, but it was like a week after I had done the
Western way race and I was just thinking, yeah, like just
pushing it a wee bit. And so I decided to do half.
I'm doing it over 2 days. Just meant that you got to see
all the scenery. You didn't have like 8 to 10
hours of darkness, that you're missing stuff, that you've got
to still try and film a bit to document the journey.
But you're not, you're just not seeing it.
You're literally just in my face let up by the flash of the the,
the phone. So yeah, yeah.
I mean, yeah, UTMB would be would be great, yeah.
Next question, you might say you don't want to run with anybody
because you want to film the race or run, but do you have a
person or made-up person that you would dream about running
with? Made-up person?
I don't think about made-up person, no like going back many
years before having a child, before we had a dog, me and my
wife did do quite a lot of running together.
We did the the western way over over three days together.
And we're really building up our training and doing bigger
distances and we've started to look into doing some other sort
of European races and things like that.
But the problem is she's a teacher and is it's difficult to
time get the time off and there's not a lot of these
because because a lot of these big races go around very popular
routes. These routes are at their
busiest in the summer months. So they tend not to do them
then. So they're they tend to be sort
of early June or late August. And you know, so be it would be
great Now. I think it's now the child.
It's be harder to to go and do big adventures together, but
probably, yeah. I mean, it'd be nice.
It'd be nice to do more runs with my wife.
We do. We do get out some nice trail
runs together. My parents look after the child.
But I would say if there's, if there's one person that I would
love to do a big adventure with and it probably won't happen.
So This is why this is just an imaginary thing.
And it would be my son. So he's only two of them.
He's going to turn 3 in October. But like, he loves running
around and I and I hope that when he gets older, he gets,
yeah, who knows, inspired by some of my videos or, you know,
my daddy did this and I'm going to go and do that.
You know, it would be so cool to go and do something like 8 graph
ultra with my son. The reality is that that's
probably not going to happen because I'm 45.
He's just about 3. It could be 20 odd years before
he's looking, you know, and I'm like 65 pushing 70.
And I'm like, you know, so if, if in a if in a made-up world,
going to tape rap culture with my boy, then.
You you get people in their 70s doing the West had away.
So never say never. It might still happen yet.
This is. I haven't completely worn myself
out by then. You took you took words out of
my mouth, Maker. I think the oldest finisher on
the West Highland Way this year was 73.
Yeah. And they got a really good time
as well. Just think by the time you are,
you said 65. How good the GoPro is going to
be by then? Or how good the AI will be that
you just you know. You didn't need to run it, you
just needed to put it into AI and then you believe that you
ran me your son. That's I know that's it.
I know it's it's going to be the whole AI thing and how that's,
you know, changing. Yeah.
We're we're getting to the stage.
Have you seen the film Total Recall where you get a brain
implant to go for a holiday to Mars?
Yeah, I, I mean, there, there's a lot, there's a lot of stuff
that, you know, films and of the past that you look at and go
crazy. Actually, that could be, yeah,
it could be, actually. Back then it was a fantasy
world, but now it's actual reality at some point.
Yeah, but yeah, even I mean it, it's funny.
Just the the the I, I actually used AI for the first time ever
on photo. It was for my thumbnail for the
CCC video that I've just put out.
Because I've all the time when I'm going through and editing a
video, I'm, I'm always on the lookout for a nice little, you
know, screen grab that would make a good, a good thumbnail.
And sometimes that you want, maybe you want to go to be in it
because it helps. But the problem is when you're
out doing these things yourself, you're often when you're not in
a range, you've not got other runners around.
So I've taken the quite just taking that sort of stealthy
photo itself was like more born behind, but it was quite, it was
only as wide as you can get with a wide angle in your tone.
So I, I asked AI Google's AII was like, can you just make this
photo just a bit bigger? And it just went like that think
there you go another painting and some more trees.
And I was like, oh, cool. That's been like, you know, even
in the original photo, like you only saw like like half of one
of my legs and it's like it's like added in the rest of my leg
and a chew. Like it's quite, quite bad.
But yeah, when you when you see the when you see the original
photo and the AI1 next to it's quite, it's like, I just
wouldn't know. It's really quite, it's quite
bad. What it, what it can come up
with, you know, and hopefully that was using an existing
photo, but I'm sure there's people out there, you know, just
using completely made-up photos and claiming them as their own,
you know. So aside from us looking forward
to your Swiss Alps video, which I hope is going to come out
soon, what's next for you running wise?
So yeah, nothing major. It's always funny when people
talk about nothing major. I said that at the beginning of
this year because like last year I had quite a few decent big
races, including the four, you know, again, for people that
don't know what the Tour is, the tour, Tour de Jean is, is a
continuous race, which is 330 kilometers through the Italian
Alps. Nice big look.
And you go around the Altavia 2 and then one it's it's Megan.
You've got like 24,000 meters of elevation.
I did it in just over 130 hours. And again, you're just on the go
trying to get sleep from the can.
So that was that was fairly mega heading into this year where
it's like really only just got like 100 mile races, nothing,
nothing major. And and what I've got led is
then not major at all compared to that.
So we're up to to do the skyline Scotland weekend because it's
back. It was the they didn't do it
last year. It's back on this year up in
Fort Williams. So the now they've moved the
event village to the Nevis Range E Centre and the the the whole
new bunch of races. So I grew up to do the steel
marathon, which for yeah, 42K through some mountains, don't
really know why they called it steel marathon.
But you know, in previous years they had the ring of steel,
which you pretty much ran the whole ring of steel, a bit
disjointed the way they did it. But you know, you did do pretty
much the full ring of steel route, whereas this mean you,
you literally touch on to the end of the steel, you know, I
think it's so there's that. That's that's towards the end of
this month in maybe a few weeks, a few weeks or something.
And then there's also the Loch Ness Marathon.
So I'm going up going up to do that.
That was a sort of last minute invite to go to go and do it.
Go aware are quite heavily involved in it through the
through run for it, run for it or the our main retail with,
with the, with the Loch Ness Marathon.
And so they they'd asked if I wanted to go do and I'll say I'd
be quite nice to go and do go and do a road marathon.
Not done, not done one of them in a while.
And I do quite like I think the buzz you get from from a is
pretty cool. You know, the close on 10,000
people going up for the for the weekend.
So it's, it's good. It's busy.
We've got that. And then a week or two after
that, there's a brand new event, brand new running festival in
Scotland up in Sterling. It's the William Wallace Running
Festival, which looks brilliant. They've got like a good, good
variety of races. I'd imagine they've probably
still got places for, for some of them 170K, which is the
biggest, biggest race. And it looks a really pretty
cool group being quite this mix of just we're in the back of
Sterling, you know, bridge of Allen touching on the the
Ocalls. So yeah, that's and that's
pretty much all of the well, in fact, James, so are we boys
called James? He's got to do his purchase race
at that festival, the the really most festival.
So he's done. He's been his first one
kilometer trail race. So that'll yeah, don't, don't
know how that's going to go, but he's just not very focused on
doing it in one go, you know, starting to jump in puddles or
something. You've got to enjoy it.
Yeah. He does.
He loves, he loves running around.
He is just young. But yeah, he's, he does love it.
Thankfully he's got no option really as he grows up.
You're going to have to be enjoying that indoors.
As Peppa Pig would say, who doesn't love jumping in muddy
puddles? So up brings us to an end
tonight. Unless Nikki's got any other
questions. It's been great chat to you,
Paul. Everybody's going to look out
for the random runner on YouTube, Instagram, and whatever
other socials that they want to. It's just for me to say.
Thank you, Paul for coming on. Thank you Nikki for being Nikki
and goodbye. Thanks for coming on, Paul.
Yeah, no worries guys. It was it was good chatting.