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Today's guest is could be a 
rather fruity with his language,

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so trigger warning, if you're 
listening with kids, you might 

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want to put headphones on. 
But today we're joined by a 

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social media celebrity Someday 
that I've had the the pleasure 

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of doing quite a number of hours
on the trail, but we'll find out

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about that later. 
Mr. Wendy Wilson. 

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Great, guys. 
How's it going? 

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Yeah. 
Thank you. 

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Hi. 
Hi, Nick. 

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Hi, Mike. 
Thanks for having me on guys. 

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Brilliant. 
So we'll get off to a flyer. 

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We know who you are, but some of
the listeners might not. 

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Who is Wendy Wilson? 
Well, first of all, he's an 

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alter ego, you know, he doesn't 
really exist, it's just me. 

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But no, he is self-proclaimed 
Scotland's greatest ever amateur

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weatherman. 
Amateur because I don't get 

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paid. 
So it's just a bit of fun. 

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It's something I've been doing 
for since 2009. 

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So we're that we were almost 15 
years away. 

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It's just about fun. 
It kind of snowballed probably 

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the fun from a few hundred few 
100 followers. 

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Then we heard some bad snow 2000
and nine 2010. 

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Then it kind of grew again said 
to the wife, I said gusty. 

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I said, you know what, if we get
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of takes off, I'm going to set 
up a separate page. 

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I live just off the E9 between 
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Blackford. 
Brico Green Loading as quite a 

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notorious stretch when we get 
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the roundabouts at Perth and 
Dunblane. 

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So yeah, we did have some bad 
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So let's say I set it up and 
it's just going to snowball from

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there, really. 
And have you always had an 

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interest in the weather before 
setting the page up? 

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Not really, no. 
It kind of initially came about 

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because I used to play a lot of 
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play 3-4 times a week, maybe 
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started running. 
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years. 
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responsible, but sometimes I 
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US playing golf. 
When I did me, I mean Matt 

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Mackenzie and he gave me a 
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reader apps just to have a look 
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We used to play a maid on a 
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some league in that. 
So yeah, let you know what to 

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expect over the next four or 
five, six hours. 

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And around the golf is usually 
four or five hours. 

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So always used to kind of check 
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And I don't know where it came 
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a few posts up on my own 
personal page just to say that 

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it was going to be a nice day, a
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And without being stereotypical,
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would maybe message me and say, 
oh, what's the weather going to 

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be like today and we're going to
get the washing out. 

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Not that men don't do the 
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what I mean? 
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windy came from, the windy 
Wilson, just that being a good 

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drying day because that's what a
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for really, as long as it's dry,
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try your clothes when they're 
outside in the line. 

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So I think that's where the 
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goes back to 2009. 
But are we in? 

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Thanks for answering, Mike. 
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weather, you do a lot of charity
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Do you want to say how you? 
Going to right. 

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Well, obviously as we went 
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of followers increased, I did, 
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you. 
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monetize it for myself. 
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exactly. 
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You know, I've got hoodies and 
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But initially I thought I could 
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But nothing, nothing came of it 
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So I said to the White Frontier,
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just do stuff for charity. 
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doing the day before, like for 
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The day after, as soon as I 
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we're doing for charity, people 
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of just took off from there. 
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all my social media platforms 
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got a massive audience. 
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charity work. 
So everything I do really do for

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charity and, and we've been 
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now all in. 
You got any particular charities

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you want to shout out? 
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quite a few big ones I've worked
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We'll start with maybe some of 
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finish off with the one I'm 
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I'm diabetic, so Diabetes UK is 
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Marathon in 2019 through 
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I've ran it twice for them. 
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there's been some H so mental 
health and RNLI prostate cancer.

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I've got any Berlin through 
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most people are aware of circus 
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So so that was a good one. 
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Scotland and in particular 
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I've been across here a few 
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in Glasgow. 
I'm scared the kids to forget 

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anybody. 
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So yeah, these are some of the 
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Scottish charity and ambulance. 
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2-3 years, my my main charity 
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young they'll cry and my wife 
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year. 
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In general heart defect, a large
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wasn't aware a cry at the time. 
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fundraising for British Art 
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We did about 20,000 for them. 
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the CPR, the defence and stuff 
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of the heart screening. 
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35 year olds. 
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weekend. 
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conditions so they can then go 
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rather than them not knowing. 
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maybe I'll play football or, or 
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the, the drop down dead we are, 
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So there's been a few we 
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main charity now and the one 
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for over the last 3-4 years is 
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It was about 3 or 4 years ago 
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running the Great Glen and I was
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through this, the heart 
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Yeah, he was, he was December, 
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the weather on that and that was
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surgery, Royal Hospital for 
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just walking round and round and
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message. 
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almost sleep and that's kind of 
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That's everything been done and 
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some closed up blah, blah, blah.
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see him at like 2O clock type 
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first time I met I met Mike 
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He was sweeping. 
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running buddies. 
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then there was Terry, Terry 
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Christian, Christian Delacour. 
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guys just so I see all, all 
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I'm not too sure if Terry was 
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I usually see Terry at those 
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I think Terry was that when line
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of that, that that was quite, 
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because I think at the time, and
you might still be, Mike was the

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current record holder from the 
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I think it was a bit about 11 
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that was one of my earlier 
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know, compute how this guy here 
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you know, to me running. 
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I followed them and I've run him
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the backyard, that Highlander. 
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this year as well when he was 
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but in that. 
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Just not this year, but year 
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Just quickly we were up at with 
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many people who have had open 
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hot day so they've got the 
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then young Wendy was up helping 
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like, that's when he first met 
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Mike. 
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I'd spoken about him. 
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office off as well. 
You know, see, he's got the 

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scarves so that the two of them 
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Blair Arco with their T-shirts 
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with our with our with our 
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sticks in my mind. 
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How is we one day now? 
Is he good? 

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I I know he's good. 
I am. 

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He's 100% fit. 
He's been signed off everything,

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no medication, no nothing. 
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commercial pilot or, or he was. 
He's not been flying for a wee 

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while. 
He's got a full time job now, so

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that kind of gets in the way. 
But he's got his Class 2 medical

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for flying. 
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he's maybe about 6162 still 
needs to maybe bulk up a wee bit

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because one of the one of the 
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effects, but due to his 
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nutrients out of his blood. 
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and bone density, just before he
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So he's quite brittle. 
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the, the heart condition. 
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So yeah, muscle mass. 
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He likes his food. 
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You wouldn't. 
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was wrong. 
Covered an awful lot of 

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charities and that question 
there do you the running, how 

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did that come about? 
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and then the running or did you 
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charity? 
What? 

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What happened? 
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like you say, I said I used to 
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running about the same time as 
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So we're just looking at 
fundraise. 

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I think back then one of my my 
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Diabetes Charles and RNLI used 
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every year. 
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So it would have been, it would 
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And they are in LA. 
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they were quite a lot of work. 
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over the golf course as much the
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suppose. 
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your everything in place, you 
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and, and just like that. 
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golf days, then kind of went off
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a lovely golf started running. 
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been done previously, but can I 
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back shelf just for a week? 
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again, that's when I started 
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using their, well, not using per
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amount of followers I've got, it
was an ideal situation. 

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I'm doing the weather. 
I do that for your charge. 

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It's something I enjoy. 
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myself, you know, we can 
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and get donations in. 
So we did a wee back charity, we

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did the golf, then we stopped 
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when I started running. 
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the two hobbies and doing speed 
golf? 

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doing normal golf. 
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some of the charity stuff. 
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well, usually right about June 
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I think there's a lot of 
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out and play 456 games a golf on
that day to raise money. 

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But I enjoy the golf now. 
I just play holiday golf. 

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I'm out a couple of times a 
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But no, I was I was never a 
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So that I'm probably not like, 
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either. 
But we'll stick to the running. 

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I think running in golf would be
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combination. 
It gives you an excuse for not 

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being good either. 
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you're not good. 
Come back to how you started 

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out. 
What? 

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What was your first running 
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But OK, well my first running 
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was August 2018. 
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for the running was my wife 
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She ran the London Marathon in 
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Marathon in 2018. 
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of war, so she wanted to get 
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She ran for them. 
Make a wish, make a wish 

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foundation or something. 
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She's also a scout leader. 
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looking after the Beavers. 
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squirrels. 
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something happening in class at 
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So it was kinda the dream, 
believe, achieve kind of 

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situation, you know? 
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Beavers know that, you know, no 
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wear, you know, if you decided 
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to it and you could get it done.
So she ran one the marathon in 

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2018. 
Few funny stories with that as 

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well. 
I wasn't a runner then, so and I

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didn't know at the time marathon
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weeks, 16 weeks or whatever. 
So I remember her going out one 

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weekend and I was like, oh, I 
what you up to? 

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Oh, that's the marathon block 
starting. 

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I'm away from a run, eh? 
So she, she's out 1520 minutes, 

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but she comes blown out and I 
say I'm like what you did. 

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I said I thought you were 
offended from London. 

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She's like, aye, aye, aye. 
It's a block. 

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It's 16 weeks, you know, you 
take it easy. 

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I'm like take it easy, take it 
easy. 

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Fuck all it says I'll get them 
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miles, I'll show you how it's 
done. 

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It's like right on you go, on 
you go. 

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So anyway on the Sunday I get 
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I'm like I was away and then I 
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been in the running festival and
I don't know but there's a loads

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of you lips around about me. 
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few miles long. 
I think I only got out to the 

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mini roundabout and then headed 
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I was back in 5 minutes 
absolutely dying and I was like,

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I maybe you're right, maybe 
you're right, maybe maybe we 

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need to build it up, maybe we 
need to build it up. 

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So being young, one day we were 
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her when she ran the marathon in
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And it was just, it was 
absolutely amazing. 

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You know, I've watched it on the
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One day is quite good because it
doesn't just really focus on the

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elites, it it does, you know, 
other runners as well, charity 

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runners and you can see a bit of
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actually down there and and 
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It's like fifty 100 deep. 
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music, the atmosphere, just the 
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everything. 
So the way he's got that 

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completed and once we got back 
up the road, like you say, it 

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was just it was absolutely 
amazing. 

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I'm like, right? 
Right, I'm going on the London 

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Marathon as well and I didn't 
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that time I'd been doing some 
bits and bobs for Diabetes 

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Scotland. 
So I say sorry, I'll have a word

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with my fundraiser wifey and see
if she can get me a place 

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thinking actually, or get me a 
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prestigious, you know what, be 
sold. 

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So anyway, I spoke to her and a 
couple of weeks later I got a 

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place from London Air. 
So I'm like oh fuck, I better 

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start training. 
So, yeah, I got in in 2019, so 

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and I've got the medals hanging 
up in the living room. 

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Mr. and Mrs. She's done it in 
2018, I did that in 2019. 

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Every time we talk about it, 
she'll mention it was the 

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hottest ever London Marathon. 
But I'll say I've got the gold 

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medal, she's got the silver 
medal. 

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And I don't know if you guys 
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they changed the design every 
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So it's just the colour it 
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So if you run it one year and 
it's bronze, you'll run it the 

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next year, same medal, but it'll
be silver. 

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Then if you run it the next 
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then it's gold. 
And then they change the design.

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So she's got the, she's got the 
silver medal, but I've got the 

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gold medal. 
So every time she mentions how 

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hot it was, I'll say Abbott, go 
and look at the medals. 

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I've got the I've got the gold 
medal, but no, that's I've got 

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these, I've got these hanging up
underneath my 5 majors. 

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But these two medals together, 
obviously Mr. and Mrs. the 

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London Marathon 2018 two 1019. 
So these two are quite special 

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as well. 
But my first way, sorry about 

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that Mike, was August 2018. 
It's Perth 10K and there was 

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working at a time K play company
through in Perth. 

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So I think some of the guys had 
signed up for it and they were 

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just kind of going round there, 
the factory in the office just 

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to say, oh, look who wants to 
sign up for the 1st 10K, you 

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know, we'll go down team, team, 
team, take play. 

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So there was about six or seven 
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day. 
And that was my first ever 

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official race and I managed to 
get a sub 60. 

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So I think I was 59 and a wee 
bitty. 

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And you've got your medal and 
just like the buzz as well. 

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So, you know, that's the kind 
of, that's the kind of journey 

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started. 
And then so that was my first 

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ever, my first ever race, the 
Perth 10K, and I go back and do 

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that, sorry. 
I went to no. 

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Not at all, no, Obviously back 
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deal if you're, if you're not a 
runner, but no. 

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And like you say, it's, it's the
buzz, you know, the, the 

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adrenaline and everything, just 
the whole day. 

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Then afterwards, you know, 
getting the medal, you know, 

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being on a runner's high for a 
few days, your treats, your run 

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rewards. 
There's no many for a 10K, but 

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you know, you treat yourself to 
a few beers and a take away or 

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something. 
So no, got the bug and and that 

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was kind of the the start of the
journey I suppose. 

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And as you say, when you're not 
a runner or when you don't class

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yourself as a runner, 10K, it's 
a huge distance. 

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That was my first race back in 
2015, but The thing is I ended 

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up parking it for a few years, 
which is why I asked, did it not

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put you off at all? 
But clearly not when you're in 

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London in 2019. 
But you mentioned Octerarda and 

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I have run the Chile recently 
and the running Festival and it 

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is a beautiful area and a good 
mix of terrain. 

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What do you prefer to run on? 
Do you prefer roads or trails? 

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I prefer the trails, although a 
lot of the running I do is on 

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roads. 
But I like the trails and I've 

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done I've only been running for 
six years, 6 1/2 now. 

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Suppose so. 
I've done 13 ultras and seven 

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marathons build half. 
So still mostly Rd. but I do 

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prefer the trails. 
Sometimes when I'm out my travel

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stories on my post, there's a 
there's a meme I use quite a lot

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and it's like something like out
out to the hills or out to the 

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forest. 
I go to lose my to lose my mind 

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and find my soul. 
And so it's just like Michael 

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knows. 
Well, you maybe know as well, 

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you know, just when you know, if
you've got a nice day, summer or

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winter, put your vest on couple 
of bottles or whatever, some 

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fuel, and then you just head up 
into the hills. 

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You know, you could be away for 
2345 hours just lost in your 

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own. 
We were old up there, so yeah, I

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do prefer the trails. 
I don't mind running on the 

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road, racing on the road, but if
I had a choice, it would be the 

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trails. 
Yeah, definitely. 

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You you've done, you said 12 
ultras and I'm not sure how many

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you said marathons, races, 30 
marathons. 

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Which races stand out for you? 
It's. 

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It's hard to pick up a favorite 
because obviously there's, 

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there's quite a few of them have
sentimental value. 

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They were special. 
Like London was my first ever 

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marathon major. 
So you know, I've run that 

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twice. 
I'm running it again in April 

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next year. 
So London has a, a special place

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in my heart. 
And my first ever race, 

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obviously the 1st 10K, the ones 
I've done enough that are the 

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some of my ultras, the Great 
Glen, you know, the big one, the

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backyards, the Highlander, then 
they've all kind of got special 

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things. 
But I think London has a special

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place in my heart just because 
it was my first major and 1st 

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marathon. 
But you know, to be honest with 

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you, most races, you know, just 
get into the start line, whether

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it is just a 10 KA 50K and 100 
mile or whatever. 

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You know, doing the training, 
being fit and getting to the 

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start line and just being 
grateful, getting it done, 

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getting it done injury free and 
getting your getting your medal.

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But that's one or two that 
they're all, they're all kind of

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special, but there's one or two 
that are maybe a wee bit more 

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special than others there. 
How many matters and majors have

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you done? 
Marathon majors, I've done five.

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I've done 7 marathons all 
together it was $30.00, so I've 

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done five of the the majors. 
I've ran London twice. 

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As I said, I've got a guaranteed
place for for London next year, 

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April 2025 for Cry. 
But since we spoke just a couple

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of weeks ago, I got an e-mail 
from Abbott. 

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It's another draw. 
So it's a five star draw. 

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I think it might be 4 stars as 
well. 

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So if you had four stars or five
stars, there was an additional 

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ballot. 
So I've got five stars. 

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So I've talked to myself. 
Well, you might as well reply 

443
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,000
and then the draw. 
So I think we find out next 

444
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,600
week, sometime 26th of November.
I'm hoping obviously people have

445
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,240
got four stars are just, you 
know, as entitled as me to go 

446
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,760
into the draw with five stars. 
But I'm hoping I bet maybe look 

447
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,600
at the people who have maybe got
the five stars. 

448
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:54,160
Yes, come on, let's try and get 
these guys into the the draw to 

449
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,400
get their six stars because I'm 
I'm sure it's more publicity for

450
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,040
for Rabbit and that if somebody 
goes to Boston and gets the six 

451
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,960
stars. 
But yeah, fingers crossed. 

452
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,800
That's me just trying to 
convince myself. 

453
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,640
So yeah, I've done that. 
I've done five of the majors so 

454
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:16,520
far, London twice and I'm in a 
five star draw for Boston just 

455
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,480
now and I think I should find 
out next week sometime. 

456
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,360
And if I do get in, I'll need to
go back and speak to cry and see

457
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,120
if I can get London to fair. 
Because I think if you're a 

458
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,000
marathon runner and if you have 
any of the majors, I'm sitting 

459
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,960
on five. 
I'm just waiting on one to get 

460
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,920
their original 6 star. 
If I get the chance to run 

461
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,800
Boston, I've got to go and get 
it done. 

462
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,600
Absolutely. 
So yeah. 

463
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,160
So fingers crossed for that 
guys. 

464
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,560
We'll see how we go on. 
Sorry, Mike, let me go. 

465
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Before Nikki asks her question, 
Important question about London.

466
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Yeah. 
Did you? 

467
00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:00,360
Were you faster? 
Than. 

468
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Your. 
Wife a gentleman, a gentleman 

469
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:10,720
never kisses and tells if if you
go in, if I go in the corner and

470
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,040
look at the wall, the the two 
medals are hanging up there 

471
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,560
together. 
So we've both got there, we both

472
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,080
got the same medal. 
It was a hot year. 

473
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,720
It was a hot year that year. 
And they did run out of war. 

474
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,280
And I'll tell you this again, a 
wee story about the war. 

475
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,080
And I hadn't really being young 
when they would go down. 

476
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,040
So we had the course map and 
we'd be like, right, we'll see 

477
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,560
you here, we'll see you there, 
we'll get you here, we'll get 

478
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,560
you there. 
So I had like 8 or 9 wee kind of

479
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,120
viewpoints where we would see 
her. 

480
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,760
I think we only saw three 
places. 

481
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,840
That's just how busy it was. 
Totally underestimated the 

482
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,240
crowds and the underground, the 
DLR and moving about. 

483
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,640
So me and young Wendy saw it 
about mail eight. 

484
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,920
Then he was getting sore legs. 
He was only like about 12 at the

485
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,560
time and so take him back to the
hotel. 

486
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,520
He was just on his computer not 
he had his phone and that so 

487
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,080
everything was OK. 
Hotel room was locked up. 

488
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Then I went out, I think I 
caught my wife around a bit, 

489
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,560
Canadian Wharf or something and 
male 16, male 17. 

490
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,720
I had a couple of couple of 
bottles of water with me. 

491
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,400
I was on the app and it said 
that she was still a couple of 

492
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,960
miles away and I just got off 
the train, went downstairs and 

493
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,640
the app refreshed and she was 
right in front of me. 

494
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,160
You know, if I'd been another 
another minute, 2 minutes later 

495
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,360
I would have messed up and she 
wouldn't have any water. 

496
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,800
But no, no, she managed to get 
it completed. 

497
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,040
I've completed that and we've 
each got the medal. 

498
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,200
So no kissing and telling Mickey
Boy. 

499
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,720
We know what that means. 
Happy wife, happy life. 

500
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,520
Aye aye for. 
Sure. 

501
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,080
So 5 majors, that is huge. 
Congratulations on even just 

502
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,320
getting the fight and 
congratulations on even just 

503
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,320
getting one because that is 
huge. 

504
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,400
But the crowds, obviously 
they're not majors, you know, 

505
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,080
for being quiet. 
So I've got 2 questions. 1 is 

506
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,600
how do you cope with the crowds 
you come across as you sound so 

507
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,600
you come across pretty well with
the crowds but my second one or 

508
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,120
for this as well as which one 
was the busiest did you find? 

509
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:20,880
Right. 
OK. 

510
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,520
The crowds obviously, it's 
crazy. 

511
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,960
My wife actually is kind of 
claustrophobic. 

512
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,280
So she, she might have struggled
and a few of them, probably New 

513
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,760
York runners. 
New York I think had about 

514
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,920
55,000 runners and the biggest 
crowds, 2,000,000. 

515
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,440
So for noise and craziness, New 
York was off the scale. 

516
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:53,000
And it was, it was actually, it 
was overwhelming at some point, 

517
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,520
like literally bonkers. 
Again, without being 

518
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,720
stereotypical, you know what the
Americans are like when they're 

519
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,600
putting on a show, putting on an
event, you know, it's just 

520
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,440
totally bonkers. 
So you get the ferry across the 

521
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,920
Staten Island, then you run over
the bridge. 

522
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,200
So it's a wee bit quiet and on 
the on the bridge the first 

523
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,160
couple of miles. 
But from from there on and every

524
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:22,080
single inch of the course, 2 
hours spells screaming noise, 

525
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,000
55,000 runners. 
It's just New York was like, you

526
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,400
know, when I finished, not only 
was like knackered, but I was 

527
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,720
like mentally broken down. 
Just my head was pounding my 

528
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,880
ears. 
But amazing. 

529
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,480
It was, it was great. 
It was a great experience, you 

530
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,840
know, just to scream in and not 
just everything that keeps you 

531
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,800
going. 
So, so that was New York for 

532
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,080
like the craziest. 
And then I ran Tokyo as well. 

533
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,120
So that's just a complete flip. 
You know, Japanese are probably 

534
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,760
a little bit more modest, shall 
we say, quiet, but there was a, 

535
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,000
there was a fair bit of noise. 
I think there was about 30,000 

536
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,720
runners and maybe about 300,000 
out watching it. 

537
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,320
They're just starting to get 
into the canal, you know, the 

538
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,480
noise and the cheerleaders and 
stuff like that. 

539
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,360
So I didn't really know what to 
expect with Tokyo. 

540
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,880
I knew it was going to be 
smaller. 

541
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,440
I knew it was going to be 
quieter. 

542
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,480
But you know, there were still a
lot of people out there was a 

543
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,240
lot of maybe the younger 
generation, some of the older 

544
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,440
ones were maybe just a little, a
little app, but there. 

545
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,200
But the younger ones, obviously 
now, you know, they had up the 

546
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,120
boards and the bells and the the
the shouting. 

547
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,200
So that was the the two flips. 
But I think the friendliest 

548
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,240
major like for, for overall, 
just atmosphere and just 

549
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,560
everything Chicago, the cargo 
was amazing, absolutely amazing,

550
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,280
just like the whole city can 
embrace that. 

551
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,080
Just everywhere you went, the 
shops, the hotels, even the 

552
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,360
people walking about. 
It's maybe I don't know 

553
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,520
population size, but New York's 
absolutely massive. 

554
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,960
So when you're out on on Med or 
Monday, you know, there's a lot 

555
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,800
of people in New York would kind
of look at you and think, you 

556
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,040
know, what's that what you up 
to? 

557
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,760
There's a lot of people not that
know like the marathon was on 

558
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,960
and semi Tokyo, we took you 
being that big. 

559
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,320
It's just run through certain 
districts. 

560
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,480
So there's a lot of people in 
Tokyo didn't know the marathon 

561
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,239
was on, but Chicago just seemed 
to be everywhere you went. 

562
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,760
That's all they were speaking 
about that weekend, the 

563
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,679
marathon. 
So New York for crazy noise and 

564
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,239
just fewer bonkers. 
Tokyo a little bit more subdued,

565
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,520
but still nice. 
Pleasant in its own way, but 

566
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,159
overall friendliest, I think for
me, Chicago. 

567
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,200
That 2 million people, it's a 
bit different than what you get 

568
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,480
the, say, the Great Glen or 
Blair Athol from the Highlander.

569
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,200
Absolutely, yeah. 
But you know, whenever you're 

570
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,360
you're running, what you say, 
whether it's a local 10 KA half 

571
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,840
marathon or whatever, or one of 
the the majors or even a big 

572
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,080
city marathon. 
You know, even if anybody comes 

573
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,040
out, even when we do the offer 
of the running festival, when 

574
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,320
you're running around there, 
it's a 10K and 1/2 marathon and 

575
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,880
you know, you're maybe 
struggling. 

576
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,040
You maybe see some mums and dads
out, there's people out, there's

577
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,360
young kids out, you know, with 
sweets are sweets and Jelly 

578
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,640
babies and stuff. 
So, you know, whether there's 

579
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,920
two or three of them or two or 
300,000, you know, you still get

580
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:49,160
that, that we can buzz and they 
always get a clap and I thank 

581
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,400
you know, well done. 
You know, because they've taken 

582
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,480
their painting, come out and 
then cheer you on. 

583
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,120
You know, they've written some 
boards. 

584
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,760
They've got the children have 
got suites. 

585
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,920
They've usually got the boards 
pushed for tower and let you see

586
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,440
whether there's only two or 
three of them standing there or 

587
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,120
two or 300,000. 
You know, everybody gets a a 

588
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,000
clap and a thank you as well for
for making the effort. 

589
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:18,040
So you said about which marathon
you you you like them all, but 

590
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,680
give a race distance that you 
prefer to run. 

591
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:30,720
Probably the the trails, the 
ultra trails, maybe A50 Ki think

592
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,560
it's not too long, not too 
short. 

593
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:40,080
And I kind of class myself as a 
an ultra runner, although I do 

594
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,560
the matter. 
It's I'm not quite there yet. 

595
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,680
You know, I think there's, 
there's a few people that or 

596
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,800
maybe just stick to the trails 
and they'll maybe they maybe 

597
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,760
just do, you know, 50 K, 50 
miles, 100 miles and then 

598
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,280
they're never on road and vice 
versa. 

599
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,080
I'm quite fortunate that I'm 
able to jump between the two 

600
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,320
disciplines. 
But yeah, I think the 50K for 

601
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,440
me, but you see, 3132 miles is 
relatively speaking, you know, 

602
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,040
it's not too long. 
Depending on whether I'm 

603
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,080
running, I can usually get them 
done 6 1/2, seven hours, maybe 8

604
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,960
hours Max. 
So it's a, it's a good day out. 

605
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,120
It's a good challenge. 
So I would probably say that the

606
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,560
50K is my my my favorite if I 
had to pick one. 

607
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,840
You're saying six or seven 
hours, but I know that you've 

608
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,480
got a desire to stay for 24 
hours in a backyard because you 

609
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,680
want to do the 100 miles. 
I absolutely. 

610
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,360
So that's my, that's one of my 
running goals, although I've 

611
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,000
only been running for six years.
You know, I believe my goals are

612
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,200
realistic. 
And I've heard you speaking 

613
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,640
before, Mike, and I'm sure I 
have them that and nickel as 

614
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,920
well when we were at the 
workshop and not, you know, to 

615
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,480
set goals, set goals that are 
realistic but challenging. 

616
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,440
You know, the point having, 
having easy goals because 

617
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,080
you'll, you'll do them. 
So yeah. 

618
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:08,520
So most of the long distances 
are, are kind of based on the 

619
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,000
100 miles in the 24 hours. 
So I'm, I'm thinking I'll put 

620
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,080
myself in amongst that lot, 
maybe a bit ambitious or maybe 

621
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,760
should have went for the 100 
miles and 30 hours, but we'll 

622
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,120
wait and see. 
But I enjoy the, the, the, the 

623
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:30,320
backyard format, but I probably 
prefer the 24 hour format. 

624
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,880
The like the the Glenn Moore. 
I'm OK with the distance. 

625
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,400
What I've done so far, I think a
great Glen like is that is that 

626
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,640
72? 
Yeah, it depends on the course. 

627
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,320
So so I did that one in in 20 
hours. 

628
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:55,520
My 24 hour PB is 78.15 from 
there are there are boats and 

629
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,960
there's still a lot of work to 
get done. 

630
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,080
But the the backyard that's 
that's a brutal format. 

631
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,480
And for me, the distance is 
here, but it's a distance and 

632
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,400
the time, yeah, you know, 
getting, getting the yard done 

633
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,040
within the 60 minutes. 
And, you know, because running 

634
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:19,440
the 4.167 miles on paper, you 
know, a 12 minute mile gets you 

635
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
around in like under 50 minutes,
you know, so on paper you're 

636
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,880
like, yeah, hey, bother, I can 
do that. 

637
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,520
But obviously, you know, the 
longer you run, the more tired 

638
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,400
that you get. 
And even if you lose a minute 

639
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,760
and a couple of minutes, you 
know, that's a big deal. 

640
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,160
And then you're out maybe yard 
4, yard 5, yard 6. 

641
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,680
I'm just speaking about us, me 
and molars here when Mike, I 

642
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,480
know you guys have have done 
some crazy numbers, you know, 

643
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,000
but you're chasing your tail. 
And then, you know, you're 

644
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,560
getting more tired and you just,
you just kind of know your, 

645
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,080
your, your backyard is coming to
an end in the next couple of 

646
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,920
yards they saw. 
It's crazy. 

647
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,080
But yeah, my ambition before 
they get too old is to try and 

648
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,200
get the 100 miles done in 24 
hours. 

649
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,880
And the 78 miles, the furthest 
distance you've ever ran like 

650
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,640
and or out of the event. 
Yeah, yeah. 

651
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,280
That, that, that's, that's my, 
that's my, that's my PB 

652
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,600
regardless of it was 20. 
That's the longest I've ever 

653
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:21,120
went and and won go 78.15. 
So that was last year at 

654
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,720
Glenmore. 
This year there was only about a

655
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,520
mile behind it. 
We had a kind of different 

656
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,320
strategy, trying some different 
things with the fuel, but I had 

657
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,120
a really, really tough year this
year. 

658
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,600
I had a lot of bigger events and
I don't think I was fully 

659
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,960
recovered even going into the 
high, the Highlander in July and

660
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,840
then even when we went to 
Glenmore in September. 

661
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,680
So next year I've only got 1 big
event and then I'm saving myself

662
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,880
for Glenmore because I want to 
go into Glenmore and with fresh 

663
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,120
legs because I did. 
I really hammered my body 

664
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,120
earlier this year and I don't 
even think I'm fully recovered 

665
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,160
just now, if you know what I 
mean. 

666
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,760
Nikki hasn't admitted it to 
herself yet, but she'll be 

667
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,120
signing up to the backyard soon 
enough, so maybe. 

668
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,720
You'll both both. 
Get to the 100 together. 

669
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,400
I maybe you never know. 
So I'm going to next year, I'm 

670
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,160
going to go Highland that I 
missed this time. 

671
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,440
I'll probably be up for the 
weekend cheering people on. 

672
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,400
But at the moment I think it's 
got to get into Boston by the 

673
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,600
moment. 
I'm running London in April and 

674
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
then that's me. 
There's nothing four months. 

675
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,360
I'm just going to dedicate to 
Glenn Moore, 24 and just focus 

676
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,600
on that because I think this 
year I had, I think I had 66 

677
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,640
massive events, 4. 
Then I went into the Highlander,

678
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,080
that was five and then I went 
into Glenn Moore and that was 6 

679
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
and I was just, I was done. 
And to be honest with you, I 

680
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:58,600
need to remember I'm 58 and No 
28, and I can't even recover as 

681
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,840
quickly as some of the some of 
the young guys can. 

682
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,480
I think you find that as well, 
though, when you do start coming

683
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,000
into running, I mean, you say 
Wendy, you've only been running 

684
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,040
for six years. 
I mean, I've only been running 

685
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,280
three years and this year was my
first year and ultras and it is 

686
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,440
easy to get carried away. 
So it is a really good idea to 

687
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,360
pick one event that you want to 
do really, really well and and 

688
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,400
just try and not enter 
everything because hopefully 

689
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,440
they will be there in the 
future. 

690
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Still I'm. 
I'm kind of like that and I 

691
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,280
don't know if it's a create of 
some sort. 

692
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,560
You know, like you say, I've 
only been running six years and 

693
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,240
you know, it takes some people 
years, you know, to, to get up. 

694
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:51,120
And, and that's I quickly went 
up through the distances like I 

695
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,960
did the 10K in August, then I 
did my half marathon in the 

696
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,680
September, then I ran London in 
the April. 

697
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,440
So that was only like after 
being running for six or seven 

698
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,080
months or something. 
And then after London and April,

699
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,480
I went and booked into the from 
the blades, the 50K. 

700
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,480
So that was my first ultra. 
So I think that was only like a 

701
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,920
couple of months after London, 
just because you have you're, 

702
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,680
you're, you're, you're chasing 
the buzz, you know, the 

703
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,680
adrenaline and you're like, you 
just, you just need to keep 

704
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,880
going. 
So I'm actually scared sometimes

705
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,400
because if I do get the 100 or 
if I get something big, it's 

706
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,000
going to be what next? 
You know, no disrespect to any 

707
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,920
distance, I respect every 
distance. 

708
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,840
I'm busy training for a 10K just
now. 

709
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,560
Maybe we can talk about that 
later on, but a 10K training 

710
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,320
just now compared to some of my 
ultra training, but 10K training

711
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,920
has been brutal. 
You know, all that speed, but 

712
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,640
you know, I'd rather go out and 
do a 25 mile ultra train and run

713
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,560
where I can just plod along, 
walk the house, drink my juice, 

714
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,480
keep my sandwiches. 
You know, when I'm doing 10K 

715
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,440
speed work, it's absolutely 
savage. 

716
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,920
So you know, regardless of what 
distance of that, always chasing

717
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,960
there, chasing the high and then
just one done. 

718
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,440
You know where we go after that.
But this year I kind of thought 

719
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:25,120
my main goal was getting APB at 
Manchester and then doing well 

720
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,400
at Glenmore. 
And these events just kind of 

721
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,800
happened to align with my plan. 
So I thought, you know, if I'm 

722
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,240
doing big miles, I might as well
run an event. 

723
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:44,560
But I didn't really understand 
how much running an event takes 

724
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,920
a year compared to just running 
the same distance. 

725
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,480
But a training run. 
I don't know if that makes 

726
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,920
sense. 
But you know, if you've maybe 

727
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,120
got 25 miles to do, I'll just do
a marathon instead. 

728
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,400
It's only an extra mile. 
But just the whole, the 

729
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,000
adrenaline, the build up and 
what have you. 

730
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,240
And once you finish, you can 
crash. 

731
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Whereas if you were just doing a
clean and run, you would do that

732
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,280
on the Saturday, then you'd be 
back out at 1 club on on the 

733
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,240
Tuesday you're able to go. 
So that's something I learned 

734
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,880
this year from having all these 
events close together. 

735
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Running an event, it's 
completely different because 

736
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,600
doing a training run, although 
it could be the same distance 

737
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,080
and, and the same time apart, 
just doing an event just takes 

738
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,400
so much more out of you, like 
physically and and mentally. 

739
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,720
So that's something I've learned
from from this year. 

740
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,360
We're having all my events 
together. 

741
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,480
That's really good advice for me
as well. 

742
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,200
So thank you and probably for a 
lot of the listeners, it's not 

743
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,840
just the bar with the majors as 
well that you've mentioned 

744
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,560
throughout the conversation that
you've done, you've done quite a

745
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,360
lot of the well known Ultra 
events as well. 

746
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Do you ever get nervous before 
any of them? 

747
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:05,400
I, I, I get nervous before I 
before any race. 

748
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,160
I don't know if it's like nerves
per SE, but you know, obviously 

749
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,400
the, the morning race morning, 
you know, you're up, you have 

750
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,960
your breakfast, your porridge, 
your banana, you're getting all 

751
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,920
your stuff ready. 
So I, I, I don't know if it's 

752
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,240
like they are sad, but it's more
anticipation and just what's the

753
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,760
come, the butterflies. 
And then you can kind of try and

754
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,480
any nerve you've got going to 
try and channel any positive 

755
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,400
energy and, you know, just keep 
reminding yourself and what 

756
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,240
you're doing, why you're doing 
it, you know who you're doing it

757
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,560
for. 
So yeah, always nervous just in 

758
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,120
case it doesn't go a plan, you 
maybe get injured again. 

759
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,240
We're doing a lot of 
fundraising. 

760
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:54,160
You know, I'm always worried 
might let people down, let the 

761
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,880
charity down, sort of stuff like
that. 

762
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,880
But at the same time, I kind of 
like having a wee bit of 

763
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,200
pressure on me as well because 
it just kind of keeps you on 

764
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,640
your toes, stops you getting 
complacent. 

765
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:13,120
I think you know for me like. 
And part of this nervous you 

766
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,360
also got people to back you up. 
Probably applies more for ultras

767
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,720
rather than marathons. 
But do you take a crew with you?

768
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:27,280
Yeah, not on the the road races.
Like if it's a 10K half, I'm 

769
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,440
doing Inverness Half Marathon 
again in March. 

770
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,040
So like so that I'll just go up 
to that myself and my wife and 

771
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:40,040
my son have been a few marathon 
swimming and some of the bigger 

772
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,640
races, but he's older now and 
working Maurice a teacher. 

773
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:52,360
So unfortunately she can only 
get off during the holidays, not

774
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,240
Tenham time. 
But I've learned for some of the

775
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,920
the bigger ultras, I've learned 
to use the drop bags. 

776
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,680
But she does crew for me when we
do the the longer endurance 

777
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,400
events, the backyard and Glenn 
Moore. 

778
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,480
She prefers these ones actually 
because we just picked up the 

779
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,840
gazebo. 
She's in the one place with the 

780
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,280
dogs and it's me. 
It's kind of go now running that

781
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,480
time we ran the great Glenn 
Mike. 

782
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,960
I had two crew there with me, my
wife and one of my good running 

783
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,920
buddies from T play guy from 
Perth called Robbie, Robbie 

784
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Lyle. 
And there's a lot more pressure 

785
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:37,320
on your crew. 
You're not one a point to point 

786
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,760
because they have to pack up, 
move on to the next checkpoint, 

787
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,320
make sure that they are just in 
time for you coming in, having 

788
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,400
all your stuff ready. 
And that's the same day they had

789
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,680
the horrendous rain and the 
flooding at from the rocket. 

790
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,320
I think it was the mile 54. 
It was flooded out. 

791
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,720
They had to move there to 
checkpoint and stuff like like 

792
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:59,640
that and like at the last 
minute. 

793
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,200
So stuff like that kind of 
doesn't freak it out. 

794
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,240
But she's, again, she's scared 
in case she's not there for me 

795
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:10,400
and lets me down. 
But yeah, we both certainly 

796
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,840
prefer the ones where you kind 
of rock up, pick up the gazebo, 

797
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,800
she's there for the weekend. 
She's got her boots, she's got 

798
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,440
her work, she looks after the 
dogs and it's me, it's out 

799
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,080
running. 
So she just makes sure 

800
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,800
everything's there for me coming
in. 

801
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,600
So I think both of us prefer 
these ones. 

802
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,960
And how do you feel for all the 
different distances and races? 

803
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,240
What have you. 
Right. 

804
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,880
Still can I working on that even
even to this day. 

805
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,200
I mentioned to you before I'm 
diabetic, so I'm actually 

806
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,040
speaking to a couple of people 
just now to see if I can get a a

807
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,640
metabolic efficiency test just 
to see how my my body reacts to 

808
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,320
taking in fuel. 
I've kind of convinced myself 

809
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:00,160
that my body is then efficiently
converting fuel into usable 

810
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,880
energy rather than I'm just a 
slow run on them and we need to 

811
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,200
train a bit harder. 
So, but no, we've been 

812
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,000
diabetics. 
So I see on some of the charts 

813
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,400
in the forums and that, you 
know, when people have come into

814
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,160
the last stages of a race, 
they'll maybe take a jail or 

815
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,600
something and they get a wee 
burst, you know, and that kind 

816
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,320
of drives them on for the last 
10 miles, 15 miles. 

817
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,320
I never really get that kick. 
And I've often wondered if the 

818
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,040
fuel I'm taken, like I said, 
it's getting efficiently 

819
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,560
converted than a usable energy 
going into my, my, my muscles is

820
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,120
glycogen. 
So I can, so I can use it as 

821
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,840
energy. 
Can I test my blood survey now 

822
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,280
and again? 
So you can usually tell if 

823
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,400
you've got high blood sugars. 
So that's the fuel that you're 

824
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,960
consuming isn't going into your 
muscles to be used as energy 

825
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,200
stain in your blood and it's 
spiking your sugars. 

826
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,600
So I'm hoping to get that 
sorted. 

827
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:06,320
But if I'm doing Rd. races, I'll
usually want fuel for the 10K if

828
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,320
I'm doing 1/2 or maybe just use 
the water station and carry a 

829
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,520
gel. 
The marathons I'll use gels, the

830
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:21,320
ultras, a kind of mixture, solid
food, the gels and I quite like 

831
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:27,880
the because in hydration they've
got the choose little pack of 

832
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,040
choose. 
I think the fruit. 

833
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,160
There's a few other companies do
them as well and they've started

834
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:39,280
using supernatural fuel, their 
pouches, squeezy pouches. 

835
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,120
It's a bit like the baby food, 
but for for ultra runners, just 

836
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,000
easier to digest. 
So I've been working on that, 

837
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,640
but depending on the distance, 
it's a mixture. 

838
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,640
But gels for the shorter Rd. 
races, then the ultras will be a

839
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,200
mixture but they're solid 
through the near as well as well

840
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,200
as the gels. 
And when you get to a certain 

841
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,520
stage you'll know yourself, you 
get flavour fatigue, sometimes 

842
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,480
you just can't stomach anything.
So sometimes I'll mix up 

843
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,560
tailwind that. 
So at least you're getting some 

844
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,720
kind of carbohydrate, you know, 
liquid or whatever. 

845
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,000
So it's a combination depending 
on the distance really. 

846
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,800
And what gel brand do you use? 
At the moment I have been using 

847
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,720
Torque and Fitness. 
I like the flavours. 

848
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Some people are not keen on 
them, they're a bit sickly. 

849
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,880
I use the Prison Engineer 
possessing hydration, sorry, 

850
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:45,480
their gels little small 130 
grams and being diabetic as 

851
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,800
well. 
I need to keep an eye on the 

852
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,440
ingredients. 
There's not a lot of gels. 

853
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,120
There is a few one of the 
ingredients I try and stay away 

854
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,400
from as much as I can as 
maltodextrin. 

855
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:03,200
So I try and use some of the 
natural ones and the the drinks 

856
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,280
as well add the fruit and and 
tailwind. 

857
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,520
Yeah, I know. 
I know some diabetics that where

858
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,960
the continuous glucose monitor 
on the arm. 

859
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,000
Have you, have you looked into 
that? 

860
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:18,920
No, yes and no. 
There's, there's quite a good 

861
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,040
one just now. 
The Dexcom. 

862
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,400
I think it's a Dexcom. 
I think it may be a six. 

863
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:27,120
They're quite expensive though, 
so I need to be able to justify 

864
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,400
the cost of it. 
But it will be something I 

865
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,800
probably will do eventually if I
do ever manage to get this 

866
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,400
metabolic efficiency test done. 
I think that's on the treadmill 

867
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,360
with a, with a mask and that and
obviously I'm taking in 

868
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,160
different fuel sources and 
they're able to monitor my 

869
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,360
bloods, which I'll tell them 
which fuel source is giving me 

870
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,840
the most energy. 
So I forget that sorted out. 

871
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,560
Then the continuous glucose 
monarch would be a good one as 

872
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,560
well. 
I think for the longer 

873
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,640
distances, because obviously 
it's connected to your phone and

874
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,360
I think some of the new ones can
be connected to my wife back at 

875
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,640
the gazebo. 
So she's able to keep an eye on 

876
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,720
my bloods as well. 
Because obviously when your 

877
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,360
blood's go low, you know, you 
start to get tired and fatigued.

878
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,440
So I might not know, you know, 
if you're 5060 miles in a run. 

879
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,560
And when we do the Ultra's, 
we've got everything kind of 

880
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,440
written down. 
She keeps a note of everything 

881
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,640
that's eating because if you 
have been running for 12/14/15 

882
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,520
hours, you start to get a bit 
dual alley and she's like, if 

883
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,600
you take that last bottle, did 
you drink it? 

884
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,120
Did you eat this? 
Did you eat that? 

885
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,440
You lose track of what you're 
taking in. 

886
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,520
So having the monitor would be 
good as well, you know, to let 

887
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,040
you know what your bloods are 
dropping. 

888
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,880
So you need something just to 
pick them back up. 

889
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,800
So it has, I have kind of looked
at it briefly, but it will be 

890
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,720
something I'll probably do in 
the next couple of years. 

891
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,880
I think I might want to try and 
get that 100 miles. 

892
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,800
Once you've got all your 
nutrition sorted out and you're 

893
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,840
running, what about injuries? 
Is there injuries right? 

894
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,360
You say that you've done a lot 
of races in a short period of 

895
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,720
time. 
Have you had injuries to do that

896
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,200
or? 
No, not really. 

897
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,000
I've really only had one one 
major injury as when I kind of 

898
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:29,000
first started post Tib. 
They call it posterior to be to 

899
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,680
be Alice or something. 
I, I posted, yeah. 

900
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,120
So I think that's really when I 
first started running and I was 

901
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,840
really just maybe going from two
runs a week, maybe up to three 

902
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,240
runs, up to four runs. 
Then obviously the the distance 

903
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:47,960
was increasing as well. 
So I think obviously just we're 

904
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,800
putting the extra load on it. 
I had that and that's really 

905
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:59,080
about the same time I found out 
that I used to over pronate and 

906
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,680
I needed orthotics. 
So there's a good podiatrist in 

907
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,200
the turn and off the other. 
So I went to see him. 

908
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,880
We got that kind of established.
I was out for probably about six

909
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,480
weeks maybe, but that was a good
few years ago. 

910
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:22,000
So I wear orthotics now and also
I run and support shoes usually 

911
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,400
breaks the GTS, but I think I 
need to go and get my feet done 

912
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,120
again. 
I'm going to get my date done 

913
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,520
again because I think just over 
the last 3-4 years, combination 

914
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,320
of doing big males and maybe 
cross training, getting 

915
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,800
stronger, I think my gait has 
maybe changed a little bit. 

916
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:44,520
But that's really the only major
issue, you know, apart from the 

917
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,560
odd kind of aches and pains and,
and niggles, you know, maybe 

918
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,640
tight ham, sling state, glutes, 
calves. 

919
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,640
But you know, most people, most 
people get that. 

920
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,520
So I'm quite fortunate actually.
You mentioned there about cross 

921
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,640
training, aside from the running
and the golf, what what kind of 

922
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,360
cross training do you do? 
Yeah, well, I usually go to 

923
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,320
there. 
I could do more. 

924
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:13,280
I could, I could be better. 
Suppose 21 coaching we Fiona 

925
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,880
from 5 Star, so he's obviously a
coach at the club, but we've 

926
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,840
been doing 21 for a couple of 
years now. 

927
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,000
We we use training peaks. 
So we use the the art training 

928
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,120
peaks. 
So all my structured stuff, it 

929
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,760
gets done through that. 
So usually I've got one club on 

930
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,360
a Tuesday, Thursday and one club
on a Saturday, a long run on a 

931
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,000
Saturday and maybe a recovery 
run on a Sunday. 

932
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,240
But I usually go to the gym on a
Monday and a Wednesday. 

933
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,440
So just depending where we are, 
maybe the Monday will be upper 

934
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,760
body and the Wednesday will be 
legs in cooler or, or, or just 

935
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,280
whatever. 
So yeah, I do go to the gym 

936
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,760
twice a week. 
I could probably do a bit more 

937
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,120
work, a bit harder during the 
summer. 

938
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,920
I'll go out my bike. 
But I've only really just 

939
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,840
started going to the gym since I
started working with Fiona. 

940
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,760
Before that, I didn't do any 
cross training at all. 

941
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,640
It was just kind of running, 
stretching again, not very well,

942
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,080
just the usual lean against the 
wall, maybe stretch your car for

943
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,440
20 seconds, put your leg up on a
table, stretch your harmony. 

944
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,960
That's, that's kind of that was 
kind of it. 

945
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,680
And I wasn't really getting 
anywhere, if you know what I 

946
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,800
mean. 
So since I've had the the one to

947
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,720
one coaching, the structure 
training went to the gym more 

948
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,880
and I do spend more time 
stretching now 10/15/20 minutes,

949
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,160
whereas before it was probably 
just stretching your calves in 

950
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,440
the shower, you know, and that 
was the extent of it. 

951
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,840
But gym twice a week depending 
on what's on. 

952
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,040
Definitely almost always once a 
week and and the good weather 

953
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,200
out on the bike as well. 
And it's Fiona Watt. 

954
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,800
Fiona Watt at 5 star, Yeah, 
yeah. 

955
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,160
So she does the one in one coach
and she works for a few runners.

956
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,840
But yeah, depending on the 
event, like just now, I'd said 

957
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,800
it's not open yet. 
So I've not got a guaranteed 

958
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,480
place, but I'm busy training for
the the Tilly 10K because I'm 

959
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,840
looking to get a sub fifty. 
I'm hoping again, I've been in 

960
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:32,200
the last few years, but yeah, 
it's just been, it's, it's been 

961
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,960
a tough one moving from the 
ultra running like the first 

962
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,400
nine months of this year to come
to the shorter distances to 

963
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,880
speed. 
But the first few weeks I've 

964
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,200
kind of had the main set. 
It's only a 10K, it's only a 

965
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,080
10K. 
But as I said, some of the 

966
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:55,360
sessions have been doing for the
10K have felt tougher than some 

967
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,560
of the stuff, you know, moving 
from the slow pods. 

968
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,440
You're trying to open up your 
legs, your straight and get 

969
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,280
some, get some speed work done 
in there. 

970
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,920
So that's what we're working on 
just now. 

971
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,760
And yeah, I've been with her a 
couple of years and I've noticed

972
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,080
a big improvement. 
Just with the structure of 

973
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,760
training and the diet, the 
recovery and the cross training 

974
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,520
and the selection, just 
combination of everything I 

975
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,160
think. 
You said earlier you didn't know

976
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:28,040
what you do once you achieve 
your 100 miles and 24 hours that

977
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,200
you're going to do this year. 
Is there any? 

978
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:32,640
Next year. 
Next year, hopefully, is. 

979
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,280
There any other achievements 
like your your 10K time there 

980
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,840
that you think that that is the 
biggest thing I've achieved so 

981
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:49,240
far? 
I've got PBS this year and last 

982
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,120
year and, and, and most of the 
distances. 

983
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:57,600
So every time, you know, I get 
something like that personal 

984
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,720
achievement for me, the 
marathon, I'm sitting at 4:25. 

985
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,640
I'm not even going to get a 
Boston qualifier. 

986
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,120
Boston qualifier. 
I think I need to be about 84 

987
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,440
for the time so I want to try 
and get my marathon distance. 

988
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,680
Also a four hours of a can again
before I was not a serious 

989
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:25,280
runner, but like my my 10K just 
now I'm sitting at 51 O 5 but 

990
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,200
it's only just over a minute. 
So that doesn't seem a lot of 

991
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,480
time and I didn't really used to
think about that before. 

992
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,560
I kind of but into the coaching 
and got into the kind of more 

993
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,440
serious side of things. 
You know, if you're running a 

994
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:43,400
10K, it's only 6 miles. 
If you're flat out a minute and 

995
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,680
six 7 seconds, it's quite a big 
deal. 

996
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:51,040
You know, you're looking at 
another 1213 seconds a mile or 6

997
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,880
miles, you know, flat out as 
hard as you can go. 

998
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,600
So it's a big ask. 
Again with the marathon, I'm 

999
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,360
sitting at 4:25. 
I'm thinking, I wonder if I 

1000
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,600
could get a sub 4, but again, 
that's 26 minutes I'd need to 

1001
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,960
take off my marathon time. 
That's another minute a mile, 

1002
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,240
you know, 26 miles. 
That's a big ask. 

1003
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:16,480
I can liken it to when you're on
diet and you're losing weight. 

1004
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,200
So, you know, the first couple 
of months you've come down 

1005
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,120
really quickly and then you're 
just kind of stuck at that, that

1006
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,800
that kind of fire tool. 
And it does, you know, just to 

1007
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,280
get that a little bit further 
just takes that a little bit 

1008
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,600
more, but an effort. 
So yeah, just I just always 

1009
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,800
trying to work on everything. 
And every time I go out trying, 

1010
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:44,640
I used to do a lot of comparison
on Strava, you know, looking at 

1011
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,800
other people and that. 
But no, it's just it's me 

1012
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,200
against me. 
And that's all I do. 

1013
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,520
If I go and do a race again, 
just try and do better than what

1014
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,640
I did in it last year and the 
year before and and that's all I

1015
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,520
can ask for really. 
Yeah, because comparison, it's, 

1016
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,520
it's apples and oranges. 
Everyone's so different that. 

1017
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,640
Will completely destroy you. 
And again, you know, you just 

1018
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,040
need to take everything in a in 
a consideration. 

1019
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,440
You know, you've only been 
running for so many years and 

1020
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,320
you're older. 
You know, these guys might have 

1021
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,320
been running for 20-30 years. 
They might have been running 

1022
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,480
since school and different 
makeup, different physique, just

1023
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,160
different genetics. 
So yeah, I used to look at Slav 

1024
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,880
and be like, oh, look at this 
one. 

1025
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,320
He's running this fast and he's 
running that fast and wondering 

1026
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,080
why you could never get there or
be there. 

1027
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,600
And let you say it just kind of 
eats away at you. 

1028
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,560
So now it's just it's me against
me. 

1029
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,560
And then what you say we're all,
everybody's different. 

1030
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,800
Everybody's doing it for their 
own particular reason, you know,

1031
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,720
And as long as I can do better 
or trying to do better than what

1032
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,520
I did before, if, you know, I'm 
happy with that. 

1033
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:59,000
And is that your why you do run 
to try and get your own 

1034
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,920
potential out? 
I suppose but to try and stay 

1035
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,000
healthy and fit and mentally as 
well. 

1036
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,080
I'm quite fortunate I retired 
John, so I don't think if I 

1037
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,080
never had the run in the 
weather, I've got two dogs so 

1038
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,960
I'm out quite a lot with them. 
You know, if I never had that 

1039
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,760
retired young and you know, I 
don't know what I'd be doing, 

1040
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,880
you know, I'd probably be in the
pub and you know, you just, you 

1041
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,320
know, you you'd be bored 
shitless during the day. 

1042
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:36,160
So I've got the running, 
something I really enjoy, part 

1043
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,280
of the run club, part of the 
running community. 

1044
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,320
I like training for events, 
going the events, so you've got 

1045
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:43,760
that kind of stuff to keep you 
going. 

1046
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,800
So yeah, there's the health, the
fitness, the mental side of it, 

1047
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,840
then obviously the kind of 
social side, the camaraderie, 

1048
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,200
you know, again, you know, the 
stuff you see on Strava and on 

1049
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,800
the Facebook pages. 
So just just a combination of 

1050
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:06,760
everything really, I think. 
And when you're out doing a long

1051
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:12,200
run or in a race, when you're 
gabbing away to me 70 miles into

1052
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,320
your Greg Glenn, what is it you 
think about? 

1053
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:26,560
I probably couldn't say I 
probably, I'm, I'm probably, and

1054
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,680
I think, well, I hope a lot of 
us are. 

1055
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,480
If we aren't, then there's 
something obviously wrong with 

1056
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,320
me. 
But I'm, I'm probably a bit of 

1057
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:41,600
a, a Walt or Mitty character, 
you know, if you're some of my, 

1058
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,880
my, my long training runs, time 
on feet, you know, I'm up in the

1059
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,880
house 678 hours. 
And then when you come to do 

1060
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,280
your event, 24 hours, you know 
you're through the night. 

1061
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,840
Or if you're running a point to 
point out ultra, whether it's 

1062
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,600
six hours or whatever, 8 or 10. 
If you're doing the shorter 

1063
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,120
distances, you've not really got
much time to think about things.

1064
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,480
Like if I'm reaching a 10K and a
half marathon, I'm trying to go 

1065
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,840
for APD. 
So I'm probably keeping an eye 

1066
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,040
on my watch. 
I'm trying to do kind of mental 

1067
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,600
arithmetic about my pace, where 
I need to be, stuff like that. 

1068
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,000
But when you're up in the house,
you're doing an ultra and you've

1069
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,600
been up there for 12/14/16 
hours, just all sorts. 

1070
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,040
So crazy, crazy shit goes 
through your head when you're 

1071
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,600
you're out there running it like
two 3:00 in the morning. 

1072
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,400
But like I said, a bit of a wall
or mate. 

1073
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:42,280
So just daydreaming mad kind of,
I don't know, heroic adventures,

1074
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:50,320
romantic escapades with a wife, 
obviously just just loads of 

1075
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,960
stuff. 
Thinking about why you're 

1076
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,520
running, who you're running for.
And then, you know, you could go

1077
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,880
off at a tangent. 
You know, you might be dreaming 

1078
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:06,000
that you're running UT MB or 
you're doing this, so you're 

1079
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,360
doing that. 
Just just all sorts. 

1080
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,680
Sometimes you talk to yourself. 
I don't worry too much about 

1081
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,040
that. 
It's when you start answering 

1082
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,360
yourself, but that's when you've
got a problem. 

1083
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,440
But no, just there's loads of 
stuff, just crazy thoughts, good

1084
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,760
thoughts, bad thoughts, just 
keeping an eye on things, your 

1085
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,600
body, your Legos, your fueling 
home are getting on. 

1086
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,720
I just and then you'll bump into
someday you'll maybe got a few 

1087
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,800
miles done with them and a few 
hours done with them. 

1088
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,280
So that's cold about a time. 
So I just have a great big 

1089
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,840
mixture. 
I think you have to be a little 

1090
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,840
bit a little bit unstable 
probably to be a, an ultra 

1091
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:49,400
runner. 
I can help, you know, if you can

1092
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,200
control the head and the mind 
and the pain, you know, that's 

1093
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,160
that's a good bet. 
The battle won already. 

1094
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,880
Like, you know, your, your your 
head or your mind. 

1095
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,160
I'll give up long before your, 
your body does. 

1096
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,880
Yeah, so. 
Is this crazy club? 

1097
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,520
Is that what the Wendy's run 
club is? 

1098
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,080
No, we bet. 
Yeah, I don't know why I never 

1099
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,560
thought about that before, 
because obviously I'm. 

1100
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,920
I'm trying to not exploit, you 
know, in a bad way, but I'm 

1101
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,880
trying to use as much I'm a 
following as I can to raise 

1102
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,240
money for charity. 
So you know that it's, it's all 

1103
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,560
good. 
And, and I've got a few 

1104
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,640
followers on Strava again 
through the weather page because

1105
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,439
there's a lot of runners on the 
weather page. 

1106
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,160
And, and then just the other day
I was like, I didn't ever think 

1107
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:47,359
about this before. 
So I set up a virtual run club 

1108
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:52,640
and when they run club, so 
that's just going to be running 

1109
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,560
and charity stuff, you know, 
though it's totally away from 

1110
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,000
Facebook and and and Twitter and
stuff about the weather. 

1111
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,520
So yeah, I set that up and we've
got quite a decent following 

1112
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,479
just now. 
And it's just, it's just really 

1113
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,520
for followers that are on my 
weather page that maybe just 

1114
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:19,439
want to do more running things. 
So we set it up and I thought 

1115
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:24,600
about getting some merch in some
bufferoos because I think buffs 

1116
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,279
are registered trademark some 
car stickers. 

1117
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:32,680
And then I spoke to Mike a few 
months ago about the medals. 

1118
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:37,000
So Mike is going to be doing 
some medals for me when we get 

1119
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,720
into 2025 from the big 
challenge. 

1120
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,760
But just recently, well, last 
night, I think so I've just 

1121
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:48,399
launched my first virtual all, 
all the events will be virtual. 

1122
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,760
I, I don't have the, the time, 
the money, the patience of the 

1123
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:59,480
organizational skills to to hold
a real life event and just be, 

1124
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,080
it'd be too much, I think. 
So everything I do will be 

1125
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,720
virtual. 
It's nice and easy. 

1126
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,880
It's simple. 
So yeah, we just set up a we 

1127
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,480
Wendy's run club Santa Dash last
night. 

1128
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:13,920
It's just a 5K gets done anytime
in December. 

1129
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,200
Most people are doing Mark Athon
anyway. 

1130
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,040
So, you know, if you're, if 
you're doing a 5K, you might as 

1131
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:26,720
well enter Wendy's cheapest 
chips and with no medal, just 

1132
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,040
tight because it was a bit short
notice. 

1133
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,200
But everybody runs it and 
completes it gets one of the 

1134
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,200
Wendy's buffs. 
But all the money, every single 

1135
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,920
penny, all the profits go to the
charity. 

1136
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,240
So yeah. 
And I don't know. 

1137
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:42,880
I don't know. 
It was like a couple of weeks 

1138
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,480
ago, I was just sitting thinking
I should have a run club because

1139
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:48,680
I've got a lot of followers 
there. 

1140
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,640
And, you know, I think after the
chilly this year, talk to 

1141
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,840
another. 
And when I'm out running, you 

1142
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,120
always get, all right, Wendy, 
how's it going? 

1143
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:02,160
Or, you know, you, you get the 
products now it's everybody 

1144
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,400
contributes to the fundraising, 
you know, But when you're 

1145
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:08,800
running a race, you know, people
come up and say, oh, thanks for 

1146
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,240
the fundraising. 
And this time the next thing you

1147
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,400
know, you do get a good feeling 
any. 

1148
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,160
So I, so I'm like, I should have
a run club. 

1149
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:19,080
So we set up the run club. 
We've got it up and running. 

1150
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,960
And then we've got our first 
virtual event open just now, the

1151
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,120
the Santa Dash 5K, just to get 
everybody up and running. 

1152
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,680
So you you say you've set it up,
but how do you people actually 

1153
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,400
find out about it? 
All right. 

1154
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,960
OK. 
Well, I suppose you would 

1155
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,960
probably only find out about it 
if you were on Strava. 

1156
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,160
I haven't shared it on any of 
the socials yet, so I need to do

1157
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,160
that. 
I was just wanting to try and 

1158
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:49,400
kind of again, just, it's the 
first time I've ever done 

1159
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,480
anything less. 
So just going to keep it low key

1160
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,240
and just kind of build it up 
gradually. 

1161
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:59,360
But yeah, it's on Strava. 
So if you're on Strava and 

1162
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,440
you're listening and just search
for a Wendy's run club 

1163
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,760
structural, just join it. 
And it's a running community, so

1164
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,920
we're just there help each other
support. 

1165
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:17,400
And let you say I'm going to be 
doing virtual events to 

1166
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,960
fundraise for charity because at
the moment it's me. 

1167
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,000
It's doing all the running, 
which is OK. 

1168
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,720
And we sell some windy stuff 
which generates additional 

1169
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,520
income. 
But this is just going to be the

1170
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,240
run club. 
So no weather stuff. 

1171
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,920
So it'll just be the running. 
So it'll mostly be virtual 

1172
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,800
events. 
Maybe you missed the ball and 

1173
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,760
during lockdown in COVID because
obviously the virtual events 

1174
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,160
were were big then. 
But again, because it's all for 

1175
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,800
charity and it's not crazy 
places, you know, it's not like 

1176
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,800
30, forty, £50 to end up a 
virtual event. 

1177
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:53,880
You know, we're keeping it down 
reasonable. 

1178
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,840
You're getting medals, you're 
getting buffs. 

1179
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,520
And if you're again, if you're 
running anyway, you know, you 

1180
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,080
might as well take part in it. 
So yeah, if you're on Strava and

1181
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,560
look us up, Wendy's one club. 
So we're just stuck in a 

1182
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,840
friendly running community. 
Bunch of people. 

1183
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,680
And as part of that run club as 
well, I think it's important to 

1184
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,520
mention that there's been a 
topic of discussion. 

1185
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,640
You don't even have to run the 
whole thing. 

1186
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,920
A lot of people feel pressure 
that, you know, they have to run

1187
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,440
and go all out to get the 
bufferoo or the medal. 

1188
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:29,560
And you've said no. 
It's just a bit of fun. 

1189
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:35,480
Yeah, yeah, I saw when I spoke 
to Mike about the challenge. 

1190
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,720
I'm going to do another one as 
well, Challenge 2025 that will 

1191
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,400
be coming. 
So there'll be options to sign 

1192
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:45,680
up for monthly distance, like 50
miles a month, 100 miles a 

1193
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:50,880
month, 75 or whatever. 
And it's run, walk, cycle, hike,

1194
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,040
climb. 
You know, you can go with your 

1195
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,640
granny, you know, you can go 
where your children, you can 

1196
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,640
just, you can go for a dondo 
around the park. 

1197
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:04,920
And there's not going to be the 
rules and regulations per SE. 

1198
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,200
You know, if you say not to do 
50 miles a month or 100 miles a 

1199
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,040
month and you only get to 49 or 
you only get to 99, you know, 

1200
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,640
you're not going to lose out 
like the Santa dash, the 5K run 

1201
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,520
job walk. 
You know, you can even get with 

1202
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,720
your mate and, and, and do a 
walk. 

1203
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,840
So yeah, I, it's not, it's all 
for charity. 

1204
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,920
You know, we're not going to be 
too harsh, you know, and clamp 

1205
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,840
down on you. 
You know, if you sign up and, 

1206
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,200
and complete it, whatever way, 
you know, you'll, you'll get 

1207
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,320
your bufferoo, you'll get your 
medal, but most importantly, 

1208
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,920
almost every single penny, All 
profits go to charity. 

1209
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,800
Yeah. 
So with all the events that 

1210
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:55,000
you've done so far in your six 
years, if you had a dream race 

1211
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,960
that you just had automatic 
entry into, what would that be? 

1212
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,440
It need to be the western 
states, I think. 

1213
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,560
But I was over again, another 
funny story. 

1214
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:12,240
So I was over in America 2017 
before there was a run up at my 

1215
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,640
cousin's wedding. 
And it was actually up near 

1216
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,120
Auburn in Grass Valley. 
So we went up there, we stayed 

1217
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,000
for the weekend, had the wedding
that blah, blah, blah. 

1218
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,240
And then obviously I've came 
home. 

1219
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:30,160
I've started running in 2018. 
It was one of my running buddies

1220
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,880
from after after Drew Summit in 
he's big into the ultras in the 

1221
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,240
backyard. 
I used to talk to him about 

1222
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,840
stuff mostly me asking him 
questions about his running in 

1223
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,720
that so he mentioned Jim 
Wilmsley a few times. 

1224
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,960
Western states found on 49. 
So I watched a lot of YouTube 

1225
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,160
videos and then this year we 
were over and back over in 

1226
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:02,080
California and my family's and 
my wife and my son went down to 

1227
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,520
Los Angeles for a couple of 
days. 

1228
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,240
So I said, you know what, I'm 
just going to drive north to 

1229
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,800
Auburn and I'm going to stay 
Monday, Tuesday. 

1230
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:14,400
And I'm going to run a section 
at the Western States and, you 

1231
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,400
know, and just get a wall. 
I met here again, you know, this

1232
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,600
is me. 
I started at Forest Hill and 

1233
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,320
they rock a Chucky. 
I couldn't get across the river.

1234
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,840
I went and wrecked it the 
afternoon before and it looked 

1235
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,240
OK. 
It was kind of one of these 

1236
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,840
deceiving rivers. 
So we had all the rocks and the 

1237
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:40,000
Rapids at this side and we had 
the Cam stuff here and it looked

1238
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,280
OK. 
I could see the bottom and I 

1239
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,200
thought that's only maybe just 
waist deep, chest deep. 

1240
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:46,960
I could probably get out and get
across. 

1241
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,880
But when I went up on the 
Tuesday morning to run, I don't 

1242
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,120
even out a few steps and it was 
already, you know, I put my 

1243
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,280
waist up at my belly button and 
I'm like, you know, if I get 

1244
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,120
caught here or slept, I'm going 
to get swept away. 

1245
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,760
And it's no worth risking my 
life, you know, for some extra 

1246
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:08,400
kudos on Slava. 
So I had to run, oh, I think 

1247
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,720
about 3 or 4 miles down parallel
or whatever before I crossed 

1248
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,800
over. 
But I managed to catch the 

1249
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:20,720
Western States Trail and I got 
in A and towards the end Hwy. 

1250
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:28,040
49, the bridge up to Robbie 
Point, then down in a Auburn and

1251
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,000
a place of high school. 
So it's about 2324 miles in that

1252
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,040
section. 
But as I was coming down, I was 

1253
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:39,880
obviously acting then I'd ran 
from Squaw Valley and I was 

1254
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,040
already like 8090 miles in here.
And this is me finishing Western

1255
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,400
States. 
But no, if I could go into any 

1256
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,120
race, it would be Western 
states. 

1257
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:54,720
But I thought I'd do the ballot 
every year just to see if I was 

1258
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,280
ever going to get in. 
But being over this year was 

1259
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:03,280
probably, I don't know what you 
want to call it, but maybe I 

1260
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:07,360
read Awakening perhaps, shall we
say it was absolutely roasted. 

1261
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,120
It was, it was fantastic. 
It was amazing, you know, seeing

1262
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,880
the river, the hills, been on 
the same trails as all these 

1263
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,720
great ultra runners had run. 
Fuck me, I was it was close to 

1264
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,960
40°. 
You know, it was roasting and 

1265
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,640
some of the some of the holes 
were crazy. 

1266
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:30,080
And I only ran a short section 
and I just couldn't imagine 

1267
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:35,040
running 100 miles just for the 
heat, just everything energy 

1268
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,360
sapping. 
So I came away from that. 

1269
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:42,520
And can you know what Western 
states are probably couldn't 

1270
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:47,240
same as over here just now, our 
West Island way. 

1271
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,200
I don't think at this particular
moment in time I'm fat enough to

1272
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,320
run the West Highland way just 
now having done the the fling 

1273
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:01,600
earlier this year and getting to
syndrome, you know, 1516 hours, 

1274
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,840
53 miles. 
I don't think there was another 

1275
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,080
40 odd miles inmate. 
So you know, it was a bit like 

1276
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,920
the western states here, you 
know, I dreamed about running 

1277
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,040
it. 
But until you're actually done a

1278
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,960
bit of it and thought, yeah, 
wait a minute, This is this is 

1279
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,360
just a wee bit a tougher than 
than than what we'd thought. 

1280
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,160
So, but no western states for 
me. 

1281
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:25,000
If I could get any, any, any 
race and maybe big dogs backyard

1282
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,360
day. 
But I would. 

1283
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,320
I wouldn't want to embarrass 
myself. 

1284
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:34,160
And would doing Western States 
with Jim Walmsley, would that be

1285
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:38,280
your dream person to run with? 
Yeah, I was going to go with two

1286
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,960
people, so I was going to go 
with Courtney and Jim. 

1287
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,200
So just running western states 
or a section of Western states, 

1288
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,920
a social run obviously because 
these guys are running at like 

1289
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,960
536 minute mails. 
You know I can't even I can't 

1290
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:58,000
even do that in Oxford Adder. 
So yeah, so West, Western States

1291
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:03,160
and I think running way Courtney
and Jim Walmsley. 

1292
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:08,760
I think if you think Western 
states, you think Jim Walmsley 

1293
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,080
and obviously. 
Caught me far for Western 

1294
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,920
states, but she's done so much 
more as well. 

1295
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,440
I think she got when did she get
the triple that last year? 

1296
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,360
I Western states, Hard Rock and 
UTMB. 

1297
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,680
So yeah. 
But I I watch a lot of videos on

1298
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,560
YouTube, on the social media. 
As you know, there's a lot of 

1299
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,760
great outdoor runners out. 
There are a lot of American 

1300
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:40,760
ones, some of the European ones.
Kelly and as well Sally Mccrae I

1301
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,560
too many to mention, but I think
if I had to pick, I probably 

1302
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:48,360
will be to Courtney and Jim some
social meals along the western 

1303
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,040
states I think would be ideal 
and then maybe go to a dinner, 

1304
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,760
few beers, something to eat. 
So that would that would be a 

1305
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,880
perfect day for me like. 
I think Courtney would enjoy the

1306
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,320
pizza and the beer. 
The. 

1307
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,800
Pizza and the beer. 
Hi, They guys can do the big 

1308
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:08,040
meals, but I tell you once I've 
done an ultra can they eat an 18

1309
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,080
inch spicy chicken and beef 
pizza? 

1310
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,720
We have about 20 bottles of 
beer. 

1311
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:19,320
Probably not so. 
Aside from the challenge that 

1312
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:23,680
you've set up virtually for 
keeping you busy in 2025, what 

1313
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,800
else have we got on running 
Wise? 

1314
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,600
Right. 
OK, well, we spoke a little bit 

1315
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,440
about London and Glenn Moore. 
So the virtual challenge for 

1316
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,560
Wendy's Run Club. 
So that's just going to be 

1317
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,320
challenge 2025. 
That's the whole year. 

1318
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:45,280
And you'll get your your medal 
probably sometime in January 26.

1319
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:50,600
So that's going to be trying. 
It's just a challenge you, you 

1320
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,080
know, we're not going to be too 
strict. 

1321
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,920
Fifty 7500 miles a month or 
whatever you can put your own 

1322
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:02,240
distance in and it's a run, 
walk, jog, hike, cycle even you 

1323
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:06,360
know, if you're a mum or a dad, 
a parent, if you're with the V1 

1324
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,800
in the pram, if you're doing 
some miles in the park, just 

1325
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,240
just whatever you know, it's 
just to have something to push 

1326
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:19,840
you as an annual thing for me 
though, I've got 1 then in 

1327
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,000
April, so we'll start to send 
for that in January. 

1328
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:29,680
I really want to do I really 
want to run for cry, but I'm 

1329
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:35,280
also really hoping I'm 
successful in this last ballot 

1330
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:40,280
draw for Boston because that 
that would be a dream come true.

1331
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:45,360
You know, I'm, I'm so grateful 
and appreciative for everything 

1332
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,760
I've managed to do. 
There's some people been running

1333
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,960
for years and I've maybe only 
managed a few majors. 

1334
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,480
You know, I've done quite a lot 
in such a short distance. 

1335
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:59,480
So there's that. 
And then in April, I'm we're 

1336
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:02,320
going to stop there with the big
events and then just focus. 

1337
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,800
I'm taking a year off the the 
Highlander at Blair. 

1338
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,000
I thought I'm just going to 
focus on Glenn Moore. 

1339
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:15,160
I think that format suits me 
more just now the 24 hours you 

1340
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,800
can come and come and go. 
I should please. 

1341
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:25,160
This year we had a one stop 
strategy that when didn't go 

1342
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:30,360
horrendously wrong, but I 
basically just ran until the 

1343
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:34,880
tank was completely empty. 
The tyres were bold and there 

1344
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,560
was no more left, no more left 
at all. 

1345
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:42,000
I broke down 16 hours, I think 
it was 55 miles. 

1346
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,840
I tapped out because we said 
last year I spent too much time 

1347
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,760
in the chair and also had a 
sleep last year. 

1348
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,760
So I never had a sleep this year
and I was only in the chair a 

1349
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:59,560
couple of times and and the plan
this year was there's no point 

1350
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,520
sitting in the chair for 20 
minutes or going for a sleep if 

1351
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,160
you are tired. 
Just stop and walk, get some 

1352
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,400
fuel rank at least you're still 
getting the miles. 

1353
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,560
So that's what we did this year 
and we went for the one stop 

1354
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:20,440
strategy, but I completely blew 
up 55 miles in 16 hours, fell 

1355
01:24:20,440 --> 01:24:24,240
asleep for 45 minutes, got up 
and then kind of finished it. 

1356
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,000
But this year or next year it'll
be a two stop. 

1357
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,760
I think I'm going to try and 
catch my body before a breakdown

1358
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,800
completely, maybe one o'clock 
2:00 in the morning and then 

1359
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,760
maybe six or seven. 
So. 

1360
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:40,400
So that's the strategy for Glenn
Moore and I've also just signed 

1361
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:47,120
up for Goldsby Backyard as well.
So a couple of friends ran it 

1362
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:51,720
this year and obviously I was 
keeping an eye on Kelly and you 

1363
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,640
guys had that on in a couple of 
weeks as well. 

1364
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,920
So I thought, right, we'll try 
something different. 

1365
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,920
Both the Highlanders have been 
in July this year. 

1366
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,200
It wasn't as warm as Glenn 
Moore. 

1367
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:07,240
Glenn Moore was roasting this 
year, sunshine and blue skies. 

1368
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,840
But I thought the Highlanders 
last year was more muggy, more 

1369
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:16,080
kind of humid though Gold Sphere
I think end of October or 

1370
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,720
November. 
So we bet it cold out something 

1371
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,440
different. 
And I don't know if Michael like

1372
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:26,760
this because he might think it 
all sound negative, but I think 

1373
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:31,920
Goldsby, I've said to myself 
this will be my last backyard 

1374
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:38,240
unless I get any double figures.
So make me think that's kind of 

1375
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,320
you're thinking you're nobody do
it or you're quitting. 

1376
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,840
But that's me. 
Can I put in positive pressure 

1377
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,920
on myself? 
I should be getting double 

1378
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,360
figures. 
You know, I can run for 67 

1379
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:54,720
emails, but it's, it's the 
distance and the time That's, 

1380
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,960
that's, that's, that's the, 
that's the crazy thing for me. 

1381
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,160
So I'm going to do this last 
backyard, the ghost Bay. 

1382
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,040
I want to get any double 
figures. 

1383
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,960
I want to get to 12. 
I really think I'm capable of 

1384
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,760
doing 1617. 
So we'll see how we got on. 

1385
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,640
We're working on the fuel and 
we're working on this later on 

1386
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,600
in the year. 
Not so warm, hopefully the 

1387
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,280
weather's as good as it was this
year, but obviously it's a 

1388
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:24,680
little bit darker, longer, so 
there's that as well. 

1389
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,600
So the wet, you know, is 
probably going to go on a lot 

1390
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,520
longer. 
But that's the two main things 

1391
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,520
next year for me, London and 
Glenmore. 

1392
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,480
And I really need to to see how 
we got on at Glenmore. 

1393
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,480
I need to be up in the high 
80's, the low 90s, and then I'll

1394
01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:46,000
know I'm close to the 100 mile 
of the backyard, gold space. 

1395
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:51,480
Just and after thought, my first
backyard attained out an 8. 

1396
01:26:51,480 --> 01:26:54,840
My backyard this year attained 
out in five. 

1397
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,720
But you say if I don't get any 
double figures, it goes. 

1398
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,880
It's just know the format. 
For me, it's the time is killing

1399
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,360
me and that's just the way it 
is. 

1400
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:11,000
Some people can get around in 50
minutes like Mike around in 45 

1401
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,360
and sleep for 15 and then just 
keep going. 

1402
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,040
Other people can't. 
Some people are great at 10 KS 

1403
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:23,120
and half marathons, marathons. 
Some people can start running 

1404
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:27,120
ultras and just run forever. 
But there's no a lot of people 

1405
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,960
can do both, you know. 
But when I watch the backyard 

1406
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,600
ultras, you know, I was watching
the Belgium team this year at 

1407
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,680
the World Championships, even 
all the runners, even seeing a 

1408
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:44,440
Perry, you guys in the British 
team, just crazy, absolutely 

1409
01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:46,760
crazy. 
Conker's mind blowing, you know,

1410
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,760
so that that's a special kind of
runner that they can do and pay 

1411
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,600
my distance. 
So for me it might just have to 

1412
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,280
be the distance and we'll try 
and get there, the 100 Miller 

1413
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,840
and and the 24 hours. 
So that could be the next time I

1414
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:06,360
appear. 
Yeah, rather than 262728 maybe 

1415
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:11,960
before I pick up my bus pass. 
But other than it being 

1416
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,080
negative, I think that's you 
being realistic. 

1417
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,600
So getting a target that is 
realistic to you that you can 

1418
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,120
achieve. 
So that'll because if you can't 

1419
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,680
achieve it then then it is 
negative because you can't, 

1420
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,480
you'll never get to it. 
And there's no point. 

1421
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:31,880
There's no point continuing to 
do it and putting myself through

1422
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,680
it. 
You know, I've spoken to make a 

1423
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:37,440
lot about the backyard, the 
mentality you need. 

1424
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,160
And you know, a big thing that 
that makes this hammered home to

1425
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:46,320
me is when you come to run a 
backyard, no, no kind of 

1426
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,000
distance targets and or lap 
targets. 

1427
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,240
You know, if you get into the 
main set where you're like, 

1428
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,440
right, I'm only going to do 10 
and I'm only going to do 12 and 

1429
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:00,520
I'm only going to do this. 
And I can't remember who 

1430
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,240
mentioned that. 
Maybe Kelly mentioned it as 

1431
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,320
well. 
I get like that as well when I'm

1432
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,200
running. 
If I'm not only going out to run

1433
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:14,280
for say 4 miles or 8 miles, then
that's all I'll go and run. 

1434
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,600
And when I get into 3 1/2, I get
into 3 1/2, my body starts to 

1435
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:23,280
close down and I start to think 
about a cup of tea, a hot 

1436
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:29,080
shower, a bacon roll. 
But at the same time, if I have 

1437
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:33,080
to run 20 miles or 25 miles, 
I'll go and run that. 

1438
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:38,280
And when I get to when I get to 
19 or 24 miles, then I start to,

1439
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,760
to wind down. 
So that's one thing that I've 

1440
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,000
learned from me with the 
backyard to the distance, you 

1441
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,680
know, there's no markers there 
for you. 

1442
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,640
Because if you say to yourself, 
although I have said I'm just 

1443
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,720
contradicting myself, but I've 
said this year I need to get any

1444
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,680
double figures. 
So I need to, I need to get to 

1445
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,320
12. 
I should be up at 1617. 

1446
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,560
I've tried twice. 
This is my third time. 

1447
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,800
So it's a different approach. 
But yeah, I'm, I'm hoping I can 

1448
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,240
go beyond that because, yeah, 
your mind and your body, if you 

1449
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,760
see a number and you get to that
number, you know, your body 

1450
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:19,320
goes, I've got it. 
And then it just kind of, it 

1451
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,200
packs up and it's harder to get 
it going again. 

1452
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,360
So yeah, we'll give it. 
We'll give it one more crack and

1453
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,640
we'll see how we go on. 
Top time lucky. 

1454
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:31,960
I thought time lucky. 
Would you be tempted by a track 

1455
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:38,720
race to get you 100? 
Yes and no. 

1456
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:48,320
I was going to, I came down 
Jordan Cassidy just done the the

1457
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,320
100 mile thing there as well. 
It was the one down in England. 

1458
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,560
Yeah, it's back to 100 time. 
Hours. 

1459
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,920
Yeah, I think he's died because 
it's done when he changed the 

1460
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,000
clocks. 
I think he's done the Berlin one

1461
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:11,320
as well possibly, but I'd 
rather, I'd rather do it on a 

1462
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:15,120
trail. 
I'm not saying it one of them's 

1463
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:21,800
harder or easier because they 
both bring I think a track, an 

1464
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,320
800 meter track. 
I think it was like 400 laps or 

1465
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:29,560
something, you know, I think 
that could bring its own mental 

1466
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:35,720
issues. 
You know, I think I'd, I'd 

1467
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:42,480
prefer to do it on the trails. 
I think I don't want to thingy 

1468
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,480
diminish anybody that's done one
or the other. 

1469
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,680
I haven't been on a track, I've 
been on the trails. 

1470
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:54,240
I just think for me, I would 
have a better sense of 

1471
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:58,200
achievement if I'd done it over 
the trails and managed to get it

1472
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,760
at Glenmore or one of the the 
backyards. 

1473
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,000
A track would be hard as well 
though. 

1474
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,720
But no, I think I'd I'd prefer 
to to do it on the trails. 

1475
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:11,520
You're going to get me any 
trouble, Mike. 

1476
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:19,680
I don't think I could do it. 
It looks psychologically, it 

1477
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,960
looks so, so hard, which is why 
I can understand it's a Mark 

1478
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,960
Cobain event. 
I so I, I did do the Anglo 

1479
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,920
Celtic plate earlier this year 
and the North engine Perth. 

1480
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:33,560
So that was bad enough. 
I do a lot of training runs 

1481
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,280
there, but that's a mile and a 
half and it was only 2122 loops 

1482
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,680
so that was OK. 
But there's no place to hide. 

1483
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:46,760
And I'm guessing that would be 
the same as track 100. 

1484
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,760
There's no place to hide. 
And you know yourself, if you're

1485
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,840
doing a trail ultra, you can 
hide up in the hills or you can 

1486
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,640
hide in the woods. 
You know you can walk the hills 

1487
01:32:55,960 --> 01:33:00,080
and recover then bomb the downs.
That's what you're meant to do 

1488
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,040
anyway. 
But when you're on a track or 

1489
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:04,800
when you're in the north edge, 
it's just non-stop. 

1490
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,280
You know, there's no way and 
you're just going round and 

1491
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:09,600
round and round and round. 
I don't know if they change 

1492
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:14,520
direction, but there's all sorts
of hip problems, knee problems, 

1493
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:20,720
ankle problems, boredom. 1 1/2 
miles is bad enough. 

1494
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,200
I I just couldn't begin to 
imagine 800 meters, like 400 

1495
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:28,240
laps. 
You've been a bit generous. 

1496
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:33,760
There's 4400 meter track 
normally. 400 meters, Yeah. 

1497
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,200
Is that right? 
OK. 

1498
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:39,840
Oh yeah, probably not. 
You need to be you need to be 

1499
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,400
crazy to get involved in that 
one, eh all. 

1500
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,720
Right. 
Last question from me, if 

1501
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,720
somebody's got a race coming up 
in say two weeks time, what 

1502
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:54,200
would your response be on social
media if they said what's the 

1503
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:55,520
weather going to be like in two 
weeks time? 

1504
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,800
I've got my little meme when 
this crystal ball, there'd be a 

1505
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,680
few a few sweaties. 
I'd probably tell them, no, you 

1506
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,800
worry about it. 
I used to worry a lot about the 

1507
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,720
weather and and stuff and just 
whatever. 

1508
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,800
But both Fiona and Steve and 
Steven Watt. 

1509
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,920
I'm John Cassidy. 
I remember him speaking about 

1510
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,040
when he went to the Manchester 
Marathon a few years ago. 

1511
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,880
I think his number then turn 
off, but he's lost his number, 

1512
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:28,400
you know, and he was up to high 
door and stuff like that, 

1513
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:34,920
weather and stuff, you know? 
Now me, because I'm obviously I 

1514
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:39,360
like to be fidgeting about the 
stuff, but I don't worry about 

1515
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,040
stuff I have no control over 
now. 

1516
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,440
Yeah, You know, if it's hot, 
it's sunny, it's hot and sunny. 

1517
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:47,880
If it's cold, wet and windy, 
it's cold, wet and windy. 

1518
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,040
You know, you train in all 
weather. 

1519
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:53,480
If you get up, you're looking 
for nice conditions, you know, 

1520
01:34:53,480 --> 01:34:56,360
you want a nice run. 
I'd rather run than pleasant 

1521
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:01,480
conditions than it being roasted
in hot or freezing cold, blowing

1522
01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:05,720
a hooley, you know. 
But you know, as well as turn up

1523
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,840
to your race in two weeks and 
freak out because of the 

1524
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,280
weather. 
You know you can't control that.

1525
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:15,000
Just focus on the stuff that you
can control. 

1526
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,360
You know you're trained in it. 
You're OK. 

1527
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:21,200
You've got your shoes. 
I'd have my waterproof socks on 

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a lot of people. 
Then they're likely talking 

1529
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about my waterproof socks. 
You know, you'd have your 

1530
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,200
thought depending if it was hot 
or cold, you'd have a waterproof

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jacket. 
Maybe you wouldn't because she 

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01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,600
sweat inside them as well. 
Depending on what race it was. 

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01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,520
10K, half marathon. 
If it's wet and windy, key shirt

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01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,400
and shorts and just crack on. 
You know you're going to get wet

1535
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,880
anyway. 
You're going to stay warm and 

1536
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:47,200
that's it really. 
I don't don't worry about stuff 

1537
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:52,960
you have no control over because
I'll just kind of drain you and 

1538
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,080
just focus on what you can 
control and just, you know, get 

1539
01:35:57,080 --> 01:36:01,200
to the start line and just 
believe and your training and 

1540
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,600
what you've been doing and just 
crack on and and then enjoy your

1541
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,240
race. 
That's what I would say it's. 

1542
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,680
Fantastic advice, thank you. 
Yeah. 

1543
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,560
Well, I think we're going to 
wrap it up there. 

1544
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:17,360
And from me, I just say thank 
you, Wendy for being 

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01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,000
entertaining. 
You were gentle on the the 

1546
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:25,640
squaring. 
I I love you and thank you Nikki

1547
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,160
for being Nikki. 
Thank you. 

1548
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:29,960
Goodbye. 
Everybody. 

1549
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:31,680
OK. 
Thanks a lot guys.