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Today I'm joined by David 
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and a runner herself. 
So we'll start off with Debbie. 

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How question I ask everybody. 
How did you get into running? 

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How did I get into running? 
I ran at school, I was forced to

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run at school and it was always 
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that were the cool kids. 
I was rubbish at short distance 

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and I was always put in the long
distance, which I hated at the 

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time and so I didn't do much 
more running. 

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And then it was after my first 
job done in up in Newcastle or 

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down in Newcastle from here, 
Great North Run. 

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I got an entry into the Great 
North Run and I started running.

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I ran to the gym 1st and did a 
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including going on a treadmill 
and thought, this is stupid. 

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I'm enjoying the outside stuff 
more than I'm enjoying the 

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treadmill stuff and the gym work
and I'd spent more, more time 

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running outside and I did the 
Great North Run, absolutely 

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loved it buzzing and that was 
back in about 98 I would say. 

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And I got the bug. 
And I've just been running and, 

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you know, been running ever 
since, even through the two kids

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I run, most of my pregnancies 
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soon as possible and have been 
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injured too, too seriously, the 
odd little niggle after an event

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or something. 
So yeah, that's it. 

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And I find for me, it's my 
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nature. 
It's it's all those things that 

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make you feel good. 
Going back, you said you were 

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forced to run at school. 
Did you not enjoy it? 

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I was fairly sporty, but I 
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think it was always I just let 
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like, I'm not going to win that.
There's no point, you know, I 

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didn't know that I was naturally
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that's why my teacher obviously 
saw that. 

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And then I realized later on 
that's what I enjoyed doing. 

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And I think for me, in my mind 
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When I was a kid, I didn't 
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world of running, which is more 
the trail running, the outdoor 

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running, the long distance 
running, which is what I enjoy. 

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You enjoy running outside. 
We're sitting in your gym. 

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That will get onto it. 
Yeah, you've got. 

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Treadmill. 
I do indeed. 

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You mentioned you're running a 
treadmill. 

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What do you prefer? 
Track Rd. 

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Treadmill? 
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Trail every time trail. 
But the treadmill here is 

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incredibly helpful for what I'm 
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my business. 
It's a very controlled 

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environment. 
It enables me to be able to look

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at people, how they're running, 
how their form is, identify 

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weaknesses and compensations, 
and to be able to adjust it 

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inside and then move outside. 
So yeah. 

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Well, you're saying you're 
looking at people. 

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That's because you've just 
started your own business. 

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I I have. 
Well, I'm in the process of it, 

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yeah. 
And what's the? 

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What's the name of? 
It OK. 

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So the name of the business is 
BMA running which is breathe, 

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move, achieve. 
So that's the essence of running

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and movement. 
You want to be breathing, move 

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efficiently and then you can 
achieve. 

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So it is. 
I've been doing a course for the

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last six months and through the 
running school which based the 

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head office is down in London 
and that's run by a guy called 

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Mike Antronados who's been doing
it for 30-40 years now. 

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It's it's a very inspiring 
centre place to go to, to see 

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what they're doing with not just
runners but sort of 

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rehabilitation or binge post 
serious injury, stroke victims, 

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head injuries and stroke kids 
with attention problems 

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everywhere, every path of life. 
So it's all about just getting 

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people moving properly and once 
they're moving properly they can

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then go and achieve their best. 
And I just really like that 

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whole philosophy, which is why 
I've followed their course and 

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become a certified running 
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So that's what I'll be doing 
hopefully. 

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So I've now qualified, so I'm 
just. 

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Congratulations. 
Thank you very much. 

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Got had lots of Guinea pigs 
coming through who have all been

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fantastic and really helpful. 
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that's just trying to get the 
business running, so converted 

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aerage space into my little gym.
So you say you have lots of 

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Guinea pigs so far? 
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Without naming names, what's the
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has to improve this thing? 
Is there one or is it 

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everybody's different? 
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everyone's unique, everyone's 
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that's what the nice thing is. 
And you're not trying to create 

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robots, but you're trying to 
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seeing if you can improve their 
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And so the people like it was a 
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pigs. 
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experienced runners who've run 
for years who are, who are, who 

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are performing well but may have
think maybe I could perform 

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better, can achieve better to 
people who are new to running 

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looking to learn how to run 
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run. 
Everyone just puts on trainers 

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and they head out the door and 
some people are fortunate enough

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to activate the right muscles, 
run in the right form and never 

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get injured. 
But other people aren't so lucky

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and have the same niggles, 
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again. 
So, so yeah, so the Guinea pigs,

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I've had a whole broad range and
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well. 
They've come in with different 

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well, just wanting to be able to
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Do you Do you find the kids know
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do? 
Naturally, yeah. 

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They they haven't learnt to not 
run properly yet, yeah. 

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Absolutely. 
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They play, so they're activating
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They're not sitting in A at a 
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all the slouching rushing out 
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office straight. 
I've got half an hour to do a 

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run. 
They go out, don't warm up, get 

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injured. 
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Kids are natural, naturally 
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And what if they're so natural 
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What is it that they've been 
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Well, I think you know, all kids
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Well, especially nowadays. 
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are sitting in front of an Xbox.
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encouraging outdoor play in the 
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We're fortunate up here that 
we've got space and our kids can

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especially post COVID knocked 
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who've been locked inside for a 
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been their their, their 
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And we're seeing more and more 
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all those things. 
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getting characteristics it would
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They're not activating their 
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things that enable us to move. 
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do, you know, from when we first
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we were, you know, running to 
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it don't need to do that 
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All those things that you're 
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applied to adults as well? 
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so. 
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lifestyles now is spent so much 
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We're not, you know, even 
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them the same way. 
We've got something to do it for

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us. 
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We were created to move. 
That's how we were created, to 

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walk miles and run and do, and 
all that movement is what 

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stimulates your brain, makes it 
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And it's so good for us. 
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so much. 
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and they run and they get an 
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And because time is so precious,
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So they keep going and they 
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And then there's something 
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the same niggles. 
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stereotypically running at your 
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sitting at the desks and stuff 
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body has got more an influence 
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Yes, definitely, without doubt. 
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activate that prevents the 
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Well we we moved first 
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So whatever our right hand does 
or left, we have to do something

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with the left body. 
So if you're we all walk along 

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with a bag on our shoulder and a
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aren't just aren't moving and 
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So walking is supposed to use 
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you balance what your legs are 
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But so many of us forgotten what
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we're holding things so when we 
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arms at all. 
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main problem, especially in 
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these things that are not really
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are moving and it's just not 
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know? 
Or the shoulders are rolling, 

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which is wasting so much energy 
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moving forward, but you're 
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So I think it's teaching the 
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importance of upper body and 
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other things and just relaxing. 
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do up here effects what happens 
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From doing your course what? 
What's changed in your running? 

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Activating the right muscles. 
I think I was a very I was 

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beginning to get. 
I've been as I was so lucky. 

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I, you know not had any real 
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was getting ITB problems and hip
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me. 
You know, it was a thing and and

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that realization that I was 
using my anterior muscles, which

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was then putting pressure on my 
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So for me, it was learning to 
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which is my posterior muscles, 
the big fat, you know, glutes 

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and hamstrings, and learning to 
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activated, doing what, you know,
activation exercises and 

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learning to cycle my legs up 
properly and not rely on these 

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front muscles, which tire 
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So you're doing, you know, an 
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It's fine, you can keep going 
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catch up on you eventually if 
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muscles. 
You recommend cross training, 

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weight training, or anything 
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Running. 
Yes, totally. 

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What would be, you're saying, 
cycling the muscles, what they 

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can't see in the cameras or 
bikes in there? 

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Yeah, bikes also. 
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brilliant. 
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it's getting your body prepared.
It's it's warming your body up. 

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Because if you just sit near 
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body's in a bit of a shock and 
that's when injury happens 

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because you're then using the 
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So it's getting those, those 
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we're ready to do something 
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The minds go, OK, we're ready to
do some exercise here. 

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Nice warm activated and then 
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So beforehand doing some good 
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of fast feet, which is something
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certainly very effective. 
So it's that proprioception that

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adjusting to your environment 
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running. 
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because it's one directional 
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to running in A1 track and and 
the proprioception that feedback

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slows down they don't need that 
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their environment. 
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always say just implement that 
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beginning your dynamic warm up 
and then going out run a nice 

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mobility stretching at the end 
and then some couple of strength

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sessions with some weights, 
light weights. 

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Definitely recommend that 
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or you know your muscles do 
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you get a SO. 
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keep that muscle tone. 
And you can't go wrong with hill

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training does the same thing. 
I think, you know, again, it's 

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anything that, it's anything 
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activates the right muscles. 
It's all good. 

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You mentioned proprioception. 
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wise or like? 
Feeling the road, Feeling the 

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trail. 
Anything you're comfortable in? 

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What do you run in? 
At the moment I'm running in 

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some mutants, but I generally 
just find something 

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uncomfortable. 
And I think personally, I 

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wouldn't bother getting any 
correctional shoot or this, you 

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know, people. 
I think that's up to your body. 

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By altering the way your feet 
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It's going to, it's going to 
react somewhere else, It's got 

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to come out. 
So it's all about building your 

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strength up. 
So a good pair of comfortable 

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neutral shoes, whatever you're 
happy in. 

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And some people like a bit of a,
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depends what you drop. 
I prefer fairly neutral 4 to 6. 

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I just feel more comfortable in 
that. 

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I've tried barefoot running for 
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long, but I enjoyed it at the 
time. 

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But that's there's a different, 
I think place for that, but I 

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wouldn't. 
And also insoles. 

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I would just say scrap that. 
If a physio says to put insoles 

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in, I'll be very questionable 
unless you've got a serious 

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problem. 
Good. 

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I would probably say without 
whenever I've tried to wear what

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I'm told is corrective, that's 
when I get more injury. 

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Yeah, so it's. 
Yeah, I think everyone's 

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designed individually. 
Unless unless the position of 

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your foot is causing pain, then 
there's no reason to adjust. 

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You look at some of the top 
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got sort of all sorts of 
collapses going on and but 

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they're still running and 
they're performing. 

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It's not injuring them because 
their muscles are strong 

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elsewhere to be able to 
compensate for that. 

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Right. 
Your business hasn't been going 

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that long. 
How long has it been going? 

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I've lit well, I've qualified 
about two weeks ago. 

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OK, so it's all fresh so I'm 
taking clients on now. 

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Websites not quite live, still 
still work in progress, but yeah

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taking on clients. 
All right, I was going to ask 

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and you might not have an answer
to this, What's your biggest 

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running achievement? 
I can't pinpoint 1, not one. 

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Well, I was club club champion, 
club champion last year, so I 

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was pretty chuffed with that. 
And you're a part of the 

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winning. 
Winning winning relay team right

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along with you. 
For space sides, Ultra last year

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was. 
Yeah, it was. 

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It was so that yeah, that that 
was a great. 

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Yeah. 
I think all runs are 

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achievements. 
I love it. 

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You know, I did one year. 
I did, you know, I hadn't done 

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The Archers. 
I did 3 Ultras in the year. 

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For me that was a big 
achievement to train around 

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having kids and their activities
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But I do enjoy the longer 
endurance. 

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I think the sense of achievement
of being completed something 

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like that. 
But then there's a buzz of a 

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shorter run, Five KS I'm not too
keen on. 

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It's just it's too much like 
pain but. 

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I agree with that, right? 
The question they might not have

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an answer to is out of all your 
Guinea pigs or any of your 

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clients in the last two weeks, 
so probably not has without 

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naming anybody, has there been 
any achievements that you've 

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been super proud of? 
Yes. 

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So the new club champion, the 
new club champion was one of my 

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Guinea pigs. 
Most of the Guinea pigs have 

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gone on to get a podium 
positions and PBS in their age 

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categories and people who have 
struggled to or desperately 

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being so close to getting a 
podium position have now 

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achieved that. 
And so for me that's that's the 

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result. 
And also not just getting the 

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podium positions, it's people 
who are running pain free who 

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have found their love of running
again. 

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You know, people have come in 
and just, you know, just lost my

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running mojo because it hurts 
every time I go out. 

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And then having done the seven 
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can do this. 
I feel confident in my running. 

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I'm finding it's easier again. 
So I guess them enjoying it is 

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the achievement. 
That is the achievement. 

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It doesn't matter. 
Some people's goal will be to 

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get APB. 
Other people it will be just to 

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get out and be able to enjoy 
running. 

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And that's what it's all about. 
It's everyone's got their own 

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personal goals, but as long as I
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that's that's a real for me, 
that's what it's all about. 

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That's why I want to do this, 
because, you know, running is so

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good for your mind and 
well-being, and studies show 

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that it's good for preventing 
onset of so many Alzheimer's, 

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dementia, other diseases. 
It's just good for your 

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well-being and for mind 
development, so the more people 

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can be out moving and enjoying 
it. 

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To me, that's what it's all 
about. 

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Good. 
You mentioned people sitting in 

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front of Xboxes getting 
overweight, so that is nutrition

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something that you recommend 
think about for the future. 

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Yeah. 
I think. 

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I mean balanced. 
I think balanced eating? 

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Yeah, healthy, unprocessed food.
What about? 

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During during a race, do you, do
you personally take gels, real 

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food, what do you? 
Prefer real food? 

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Yeah, I will take a gel as an 
emergency. 

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I'll have a couple. 
I don't like them. 

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I don't know how great they are.
In my mind I they're there to 

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have. 
They're quite useful to have as 

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a little bit. 
No, I'd prefer like pack of 

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crisps, marathon Snickers, what 
they're called nowadays. 

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Are you doing a marathon? 
You're eating a Snickers, yeah? 

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That's all. 
Anything that tastes nice I 

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think is good. 
OK, out of all the races that 

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you've done come back to you 
personally. 

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What's been your favorite? 
Oh. 

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Man, I love the relay. 
I love the team, you know team, 

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that whole sense of team there 
and just the route was beautiful

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and the different sections. 
I like the Glencoe marathon, 

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Love that. 
That was beautiful for me. 

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I think it's where it's it's 
where it's located. 

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So I've done the Glen line and 
although so they take you to 

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these places that you might not 
necessarily go to and whatever 

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the weather, it's still lovely. 
So again, I can't, I don't think

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there's one favorite. 
You just have nice memories of 

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different ones, yeah? 
Is there any races that you give

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a bucket list that's a you want 
to do that? 

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Probably There's quite a few out
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of the Murray Way series, the 
individually one. 

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Individual ones I'd like to do 
because it's it's on our 

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doorstep and it's such a 
beautiful coastline and I think 

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we're so lucky to have that. 
So explore more of that. 

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I'd like to maybe do something 
like Tour de Mont Blanc, 

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something like that, a bit more 
in the Alps, so lovely Alps. 

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There's one local 1 where we go,
you know, skiing sometimes and 

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it says 6000. 
It's called 6000 D so it's 3000 

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up, 3000 down. 
Love to do that, but I think 

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this needs to get in the 
mountains. 

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And yeah, and yeah. 
Having done UTMB, it's unlike 

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anything that you can train for 
in this country. 

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Basically, you can run up Nevis 
four times and then you're not 

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even at the top of the hills. 
Well this is AI mean it's just 

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the just the whole altitude 
thing but that's for another 

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time. 
I've got plenty of time, plenty 

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of time and the kids have left 
home I can you know so that and 

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that's the other joy is like you
know I think I think your whole 

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perception changes that. 
I don't. 

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I don't need to get a particular
time. 

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I'm not there to get on a, but 
it's just to get out and enjoy 

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it. 
Good When you are out in nature,

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or on the treadmill or out on 
the road, do you listen to 

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music, podcasts, or nothing at 
all? 

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Never listen to anything. 
What about when you're when you 

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have to use the treadmill? 
Music. 

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I have some music on something 
that keeps me going there. 

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I need music in the treadmill, 
but generally out and about. 

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Maybe if I was running somewhere
around a park of repeated times,

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I might decide I want something 
in my ears. 

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But I think running where do 
keep doing that because no one 

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can see where we're running. 
But it's beautiful. 

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So I don't feel I need to listen
to anything. 

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I do enjoy running with other 
people sometimes. 

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Now, you know, I think I used to
be a very solitary runner, but 

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now I actually do enjoy on a 
long run the company of someone 

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else just talking. 
And it's yeah, it's nice. 

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Have you ever DNF in a race? 
No, not yet. 

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Maybe not put myself in that 
position yet. 

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Is it something that you're 
taught to teach your students 

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how to deal with? 
No. 

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Interesting question. 
No, I have those people have 

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come and said they have had to 
DNF and what can they do to 

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prevent that? 
It's not just. 

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Physically, it's. 
Psychologically, yeah, it's so 

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it's so psychological. 
It's it's a whole range of 

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things, isn't it, when you get 
to that point. 

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But I think the mind is stronger
than you think. 

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You know, people think it is. 
It's got a quite survival 

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instinct kicks in when you think
you can't go any further. 

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And then with the long event 
it's like just walk for a bit. 

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But for some people, that's part
of your running training. 

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You have to be taught to not not
give up. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I think where we are, you know, 

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here is that's the next stage on
from, you know, the initial 

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people coming to learn how to 
move properly to achieve it. 

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Yeah. 
And then the next stage, if you 

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get people who are obviously at 
a different level going, how do 

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I deal with that? 
And then that's something, just 

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talk about it and finding out 
what stage are they feeling they

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can't go any further. 
Is that a psychological thing? 

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Is that a fuelling thing? 
Is that a hydration thing? 

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What is it that's that's getting
to that point where they don't 

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think they can go on any 
further? 

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OK, have you got any pre race 
rituals you must put on your 

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left sock first type thing? 
I have to have a bagel with 

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peanut butter and jam on it. 
That's quite important. 

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I get quite stressy if I do all 
a certain type of bread. 

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It's got, I've got to have. 
I can't just have it, It's got 

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to be a nice, you know. 
So yeah, something like that. 

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My, my Snickers bar, I have to 
have that quite like some Harry 

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bows or Jelly sweets. 
Might not touch them, might not 

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eat them. 
But yeah, I definitely like to 

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have a selection of of food that
I can pick from and I can 

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decide. 
That's what I feel like today. 

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And clothes wise, yeah, socks 
probably got to be the right 

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socks. 
I've got my favorite socks and I

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get quite upset when they they 
wear out. 

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And how do you deal with that if
they did wear out? 

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Just buy a new pair. 
Buy a new pair, Have have 

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reserves, have reserves. 
What if you turned up to race 

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and they weren't in your bag? 
What would you do? 

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Would that be right race over 
giving up or would you just deal

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with it? 
Move on. 

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I have to deal with it, yeah. 
Oh, the other thing, hair bands.

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So I ended up running one pinged
right at the beginning, so you 

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won't have this problem. 
But yeah, it was the Balmoral 15

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and I think couple miles in my 
hair band pinged and I ran. 

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Had to run the rest of it with 
my hair going all over the 

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place, which is when you've got 
long hair, it's pretty horrible.

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So yeah, so I've learned from 
that that was always wear 2 

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headbands. 
So have a contingency, Yeah. 

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You said that you like to run 
with other people. 

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Is there anybody, alive or 
otherwise, that you would want 

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to run with? 
Oh, mine. 

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Going for a run with Aleister 
Corbin, just because she's. 

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Yeah, she'd be pretty cool. 
I think some of the some of the 

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women marathon runners at the 
moment are quite inspiring. 

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So yeah, any other characters, 
You know, I think, I think it's 

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actually just nice running with 
lots of different people. 

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You know, I get a lot of out 
running people from the club, 

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the new regime's running club, 
no matter what level they are. 

453
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You get something out of it. 
That's my stopwatch somewhere. 

454
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Well, the watch says it's time 
to stop. 

455
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So there's one last question I 
can ask you. 

456
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I can't remember what it is. 
So do you have any regrets in 

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any of the running that you've 
done or not done? 

458
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My biggest one would be that I 
didn't start running earlier. 

459
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OK, yeah. 
I think more confidence in my 

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running, believing in myself. 
I was just like, oh, I'm just a 

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recreational runner and still to
this day probably, you know, or 

462
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maybe combating nerves before an
event, you know, it's dealing 

463
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with that and, you know, talking
yourself down a little bit. 

464
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So do you Do you still get 
nervous before? 

465
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Yeah, definitely. 
Is that is it nerves? 

466
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As in I can't move nerves? 
Or is it excitement? 

467
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Excitement, nerves, yeah. 
But sometimes it's like, why 

468
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can't I just be like that person
who looks like they're just 

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having a nice day out, probably 
because of a little bit 

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competitive and I want to try 
and do my best. 

471
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,880
And yeah, I wouldn't like to go 
into event feeling unprepared 

472
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and just see how it goes. 
Right. 

473
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:59,400
Well, to wrap it up, your 
business is. 

474
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BMA running. 
Breathe. 

475
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Move. 
Achieve. 

476
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Is it open for clients at the 
moment? 

477
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It's open for clients of any 
background, any problems, any 

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running ability, any age. 
How do they find out more about 

479
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it? 
They well at the moment they 

480
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just have to try and contact me 
somehow, but I will be launching

481
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my website imminently which will
be dmarunning.com. 

482
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I'll have an Insta page which 
will be not kicking off at the 

483
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same time and so that will all 
be coming up in the next couple 

484
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of weeks. 
Right. 

485
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,200
Well, thank you, Debbie, and 
thank you everybody for 

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watching. 
Thank you. 

487
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Thank you, Mike.