1 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,800 Hello and welcome to another episode of Run Till You're Done. 2 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,440 This week's guest brings another great story about the running 3 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,480 journey. Not only are they a runner, but 4 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,320 raise awareness on congenital heart disease, something very 5 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,000 close to my Co host heart, pun intended. 6 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:42,040 It also happens to coincide with Congenital Heart Disease 7 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,840 Awareness Week. Thank you and welcome to the 8 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,320 show, Laura Jones. Hi, thank you for having me. 9 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:55,680 No problem. So first questions first, where 10 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,880 how did you get into not necessarily running, but outdoor 11 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,600 sports? Yes. 12 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:11,880 So I I actually got my heart diagnosis when I was about 28. 13 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:20,520 So it was actually missed at my birth and it was picked up when 14 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,720 I had pneumonia. So yes I was like 28 ish. 15 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:29,800 And after this I found myself stuck in a bit of a rot. 16 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,280 I was obviously I was feeling quite down about it and a bit 17 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,520 shocked and I sort of lost my way in life a little bit. 18 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:44,440 And so because my dad has always run his whole life, he sort of 19 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,880 approached me and said, I've got an idea. 20 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,640 If you run a race with me, I will buy you a pair of 21 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,440 innovates. I was like, what are innovates? 22 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,640 And because I was completely clueless at this point and he 23 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,600 showed me his shoes and he and we looked on the website and I 24 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,760 was like, oh, these are really cool shoes. 25 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,640 And I thought, all right, then I'll do it. 26 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,440 So his his sort of goal was really to help me and Get Me Out 27 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,800 of this route after what I'd sort of just learnt. 28 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,880 So I thought, OK, let's just let's just go for it. 29 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,800 So there was a, a winter league race coming up at a place called 30 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,920 Sebba and dad was running it and he said let's do this one. 31 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:32,760 So I, I turned up at this race, didn't have a clue what I was 32 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,360 doing. Also these terrible Rd. shoes 33 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,200 trying to run an off road course. 34 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,800 So I was slipping all over the place, didn't have the right 35 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,320 gear whatsoever. And all I thought was in my head 36 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,760 was if I just get round this race, just don't come last, then 37 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,560 that's like a big achievement for me. 38 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,600 And so that's what I did. I didn't come last. 39 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,480 I was about 10th from last, so I was happy with that. 40 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,440 And it was, that was like my first experience really of 41 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,960 running off off road as an adult because I did it as a child from 42 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,560 a childhood into late teens and then stopped when I was about 43 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,240 17. So it was a good sort of 10 year 44 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,800 gap really. And did you not have any heart 45 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,320 problems, are it? Well, we'll get on to that a bit 46 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,920 later. But any inclination that 47 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,760 something was going on when you were younger, that that's just 48 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,200 come totally out of the blue when you were older. 49 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,480 Yeah. So no signs whatsoever. 50 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,600 I'm really lucky because I've only started now to become 51 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,600 symptomatic. So my whole childhood, me and my 52 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,240 two brothers, we were brought up living in the Lakes. 53 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,560 So every weekend, Saturday and Sunday we'd be walking miles. 54 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,440 We walked all the Wainwrights, we walked in Scotland, we walked 55 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:07,040 in Wales, we we ran the little fell races, cross country. 56 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,280 It was just like full on active childhood. 57 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,240 My, my, my mum's idea of after school fun was she'd pick us up, 58 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:21,320 we'd drive to a water called Rydal and we'd swim like across 59 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,240 Rydal into the little island and sort of we thought nothing of 60 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:26,960 it. We just thought this is just 61 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:32,200 what you do. So yeah, luckily I never had any 62 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,760 symptoms or signs of a heart condition whatsoever. 63 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,600 But whether or not that's due to my parents creating such an 64 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,960 active childhood and whether or not that gave me, I don't know, 65 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,400 some strength somehow or, or it would have happened anyway, I 66 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,600 just don't know. They you're saying that your dad 67 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,000 was going to buy you a pair of innovates. 68 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,720 Did did he buy you a pair of innovates? 69 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,880 He did. He bought me Innovate 212, they 70 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,680 were called, and yeah, they were my favorite pair. 71 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,160 I've still got them. I kept them, but I run them into 72 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,880 the ground. There's nothing left of them 73 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,160 now. Is that Yeah, I think I've had a 74 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,200 pair of them and I can't remember if they're are they ex 75 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,480 talons? Yes, Ex Talon. 76 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,240 Yeah, ex Talon 212. Yeah. 77 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,840 So they're quite, quite a, quite a big lug. 78 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:27,960 So you're good for off road running? 79 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,800 Yeah, brilliant for off road running and my son. 80 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,440 I've got my son a couple of pairs OF21 twos now as well so I 81 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:41,720 keep it going. And you've had a relationship. 82 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,880 I don't know whether that involves sponsorship with 83 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,000 Innovate. They tell us a bit about that. 84 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,320 Yeah. So once I started doing the 85 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,880 running, I thought, oh, I might create an Instagram page because 86 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,600 it's quite motivating for yourself, isn't it? 87 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,000 If you, you go and run and then you post your run and post your 88 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,920 views. And because I had these 89 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,960 Innovates, I thought, oh, I'll tag them thinking nothing of it. 90 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,600 And I kept going and kept tagging them. 91 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,760 And then I got approached one day by a guy called Innovate who 92 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,840 works in Innovate. Sorry, a guy called Adrian who 93 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:26,600 works for Innovate, which is based just the office is down, 94 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,400 down the road at Staveley from me, just about 10 minutes. 95 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,480 Yeah. And he approached me and had 96 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,440 said would I be interested in being in this campaign with a 97 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,800 guy called Jay Martin. Have you heard of Jay? 98 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,040 He he was on SAS. Who Dares wins? 99 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,400 Yeah, I've held. Have you? 100 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Yeah, you might have seen a pic. You might recognise him if you 101 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,000 see a picture. So yeah, so I went and had a 102 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,280 meeting and and discussed that with them and basically it was a 103 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:02,960 three day adventure around the Lake District and it was filming 104 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:07,840 their venue, Rock Lite Innovate Boots. 105 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,000 So it was me and and Jay and I thought, oh, how am I going to 106 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,480 keep up with a guy off the off the SAS? 107 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,240 But I'm just about managed. But yeah, it was a great 108 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,560 experience and it just sort of went from there, really. 109 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,360 And what does it, when you say it went from there, what does 110 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,080 that involve do? Were you going out and doing? 111 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,440 Yeah. Yeah, so it involves, I did lots 112 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:40,240 of photo shoots, campaigns for new, new hiking boots, mainly 113 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,480 because I, I will never, I've never been what you'd call a top 114 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,520 runner. I just ran for fun and because I 115 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:53,320 enjoyed it and because it gave me the mental freedom really 116 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,520 from after finding out about the heart condition. 117 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,360 It was a way for me to to feel stress free. 118 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,120 So yeah. So I, I never advertised any of 119 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,360 the running shoes as such, just more on on my channel. 120 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,040 But so, yeah, so I, I got to meet some, some great people and 121 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:22,080 I met James Forrest and he he's like a record-breaking ultra 122 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:27,440 hiker, so that was good. And obviously I met Jay off off 123 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,280 the SAS, so that was good as well. 124 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,440 But yeah, so it was mainly, oh, I was so sorry. 125 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,919 I went to Glysdale Forest as well and advertised some of 126 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:46,160 their trails in innovate gear. So I did some runs around that 127 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,600 area. So that was nice, but I mainly 128 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,400 now I mainly just promote the innovate clothing and shoes just 129 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,280 off my channel. OK. 130 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,920 With since she's done that first race as an adult with your dad, 131 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,040 you said the running is just for fun purely, and you sound a 132 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,880 very, very active person. Do you? 133 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,040 What would you say? Do you have a favorite thing 134 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,720 that you like to do or do you just mix it all up? 135 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,720 Oh, I just, I think it is mainly a mix it all up. 136 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,200 But now I have to think a little bit more. 137 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,400 Now my heart condition has reached a more serious stage. 138 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,080 So I can't just say to my kids, oh, come on, we're going to go 139 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,600 and swim in Buttermere or, you know, wherever because the water 140 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,480 temperature will be too cold for me and I, I can't risk the shock 141 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,920 of it on my body. So I get, we'll still swim, but 142 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,960 then I'll just wait until say, may time. 143 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,800 And so just sort of switch things up a little bit. 144 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,480 I can't run anymore, unfortunately at the moment, but 145 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:03,000 I can after the surgery. And so I just my main thing at 146 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,120 the moment is probably walking, fast walking, because I'm having 147 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,760 to keep up with the kids on the bikes. 148 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:13,800 And, and my son, he, he trains a lot during the week. 149 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,760 So I, I go along to his training and I'll, I'll hike up the hill 150 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,520 and sort of stand halfway whilst he's running up and down it. 151 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,680 So things like that. Yeah, I just have to think a 152 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:27,520 little bit more about what I'm doing. 153 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,000 But that's fine. I can, I can still do plenty. 154 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,920 So that's fine. We've, we've gotten on to the 155 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,880 main subject that was about the congenital heart condition, 156 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,440 which we've had lots of spoilers. 157 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,520 You've obviously said that you've, you, you have a 158 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,200 condition. I don't know how open I've been 159 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,320 with people on the podcast, but I, I've myself, I've got a 160 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,960 general heart condition. I've had surgery about four or 161 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:00,480 five years ago. And for me, I used to run no 162 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,640 symptoms before and then I gradually got more and more 163 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,360 symptoms. And then I went to see this the 164 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,640 doctors about it. And Long story short, it's not 165 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,640 about me, it's about you. So how how did? 166 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,720 What symptoms sorry did you get when you were running? 167 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:27,160 I started when I was running up when, when I leave my house, I I 168 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,520 run up a hill to get to anywhere. 169 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Basically, I, I, I live near the sea and you've got to go uphill. 170 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,680 I used to be able to run up no problem. 171 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,400 And then gradually I was getting slower and slower. 172 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,760 And then eventually I felt like I had a, a weight on my chest 173 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,800 and then it became a weight on my back and chest at the same 174 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,040 time. So pushing in, as soon as I got 175 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,160 up to the top of the hill, it all went away. 176 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,240 And then after a while, it was like my, my daughter was born. 177 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,520 I would sort of bend over to pick her up from her cot and I 178 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,960 would feel it when I was bending over like that. 179 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,360 Just little things like that. And then looking back on it now 180 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,280 is like 10 years ago when I was doing this race, I felt like 181 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,760 that afterwards. That was probably because of 182 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,760 that, probably, yeah. At the time I didn't think about 183 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,920 it, but now thinking about it, it's like that was related. 184 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,120 So talking about you, what sort of symptoms were you getting? 185 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,920 So I actually haven't had any symptoms until the last year or 186 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,880 so, especially the last six months. 187 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:44,040 And what happens is if I push it too much, I get hit with 188 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,400 fatigue, really awful fatigue where it's just no escape from 189 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,360 it. And all, all I'm left with 190 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,960 really is just to lie on the sofa all day. 191 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,280 It takes about a day to feel slightly normal again. 192 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,040 And then next day I'm like, OK, we can carry on now. 193 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:08,240 But that sort of that has got worse the last six months where 194 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:14,280 I find it hits me sooner. So I, I definitely can't run or 195 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,480 they told me don't run, but I remember just before I stopped 196 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,440 running the same as you really, if I hit a hill or even just a 197 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,320 slight incline, it felt like I was, I was hitting a brick wall 198 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,520 almost and something was just like stopping me. 199 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,600 I would have to break into a fast walk instead. 200 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,800 So it sort of creeps up on you, doesn't it, over time? 201 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,040 But that that's fine. I've lasted this long, whereas I 202 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,520 know a lot of people with what I have I think can be really 203 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,600 breathless, bad fatigue, they can get chest pains. 204 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,000 So I think I've been let off lightly to be honest. 205 00:13:56,560 --> 00:14:00,560 So tell me about your experience about actually getting 206 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:02,640 diagnosed. You you were obviously fit and 207 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,360 healthy beforehand and you started getting the pains. 208 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,880 How did you like what made you go to get diagnosed, assuming 209 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,640 you went to a doctor? Yeah, well, well, actually what 210 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,240 what had happened was me and my son Charlie, we got really sick 211 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:28,400 with a nasty winter virus and mine had turned into pneumonia. 212 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:34,680 So I ended up where I'd passed out on the bathroom floor and I 213 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,240 was really struggling to breathe. 214 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:42,120 So the next minute I knew I was in an ambulance and I had about 215 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,800 a week in in the hospital and because of the pneumonia, 216 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,960 they've done an echo scan on on my chest and this is when it was 217 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,200 picked up and they said, oh, were you aware that you have a 218 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,760 bicuspid aortic valve? I was like, what's that? 219 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,400 I have one clue about the heart or how it works or I'll see you 220 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,840 rubbish. I was like, no. 221 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,520 And they said, oh, well, it's you've been born with, with 222 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:09,880 this. It must have been missed at 223 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,960 birth. So it was a bit of a shock, but 224 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,000 they I was still didn't have symptoms. 225 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,600 It was just that the pneumonia had made it really difficult for 226 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,160 me to breathe. And then so in a way I get, I 227 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,760 guess I should count myself lucky that I had the pneumonia 228 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,080 because I might have never picked up on it. 229 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,280 And now as it's developed, I've actually got an aneurysm in my 230 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,960 aorta as well, which does put me at risk of sudden cardiac death. 231 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,920 And so I am on the surgery list now. 232 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,520 But if it hadn't have been picked up and I hadn't have been 233 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,320 put on the surgery list, I, I might not be here in a couple of 234 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,040 years time. So I guess it's funny how life 235 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,120 works sometimes, isn't it? How things. 236 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,920 Yeah, something negative to turn into a positive. 237 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,960 It's like you were lucky that you were sick. 238 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Yes, it seems a bit weird. I also think it's funny that the 239 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,680 doctor can turn around and go here's this blah blah blah blah 240 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,720 blah in in Latin. Do you know you've got it? 241 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,960 I didn't even understand what you just said. 242 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,200 Yes, what? So I thought. 243 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,080 It's not quite a lot of people the, I'm assuming like you got 244 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,800 this diagnosis and you maybe done your research. 245 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,080 I work in healthcare and we tell everybody don't Google anything 246 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,080 because the first thing you do is you Google everything. 247 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,960 Yeah. Is there quite a lot of people 248 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,880 that can live with this and never know that they have it? 249 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Yeah, I believe so, yeah. I mean, if, if they're lucky 250 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:55,200 like me and as well and don't have symptoms and maybe don't 251 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,120 push the body to a limit like they don't run and they just 252 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,480 carry on with life. And I think there is quite a lot 253 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,119 of people that this can happen to. 254 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:09,240 But I I don't know how rare it is, how rare mine was to be 255 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,280 missed at birth. I don't, I don't know. 256 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,960 So I guess in a way though, I'm, I'm glad that it was missed at 257 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,400 birth and picked up later on in life because I think my parents 258 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,200 might have put a limit on me. They might have been a bit 259 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,640 worried. We might not have been hiking up 260 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,880 Snowden and you know, on scarf L And I mean, the weekend we'd 261 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,280 probably walk sort of 1213 miles as kids. 262 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:39,640 And I think all that might have been stopped or lessened or they 263 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,600 might have not let me sort of be as free as I was because I, I 264 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,520 guess I would have had appointments and scans and all 265 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,040 from my childhood if, if it had been picked up. 266 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,960 So it's sort of bittersweet, isn't it? 267 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,440 I think you got to think about it. 268 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,400 It's like it probably wouldn't have been picked up unless you 269 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,200 were pushing your body. But the reason why you've 270 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,480 survived this long without any symptoms is because you're so 271 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,960 fit and healthy. That's why I got so told about 272 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,200 it. It's I was when I had surgery, I 273 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,960 got told that I was the quickest person to be at the hospital. 274 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,000 I had the surgery on the Tuesday and I was home by the Friday and 275 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,040 that's because I was healthy, because I was fit. 276 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,520 I was out doing stuff. So you'll be exactly the same. 277 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,600 It's. You're good to know. 278 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:30,280 Yeah. You. 279 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Sorry. Go on. 280 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,600 No, sorry. It was well and about me. 281 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,080 It's supposed to be about you. Yeah, it's. 282 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:44,080 No, it's good to know that you, because of this, you were in and 283 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,480 out so quickly because at the moment it's on my mind that the 284 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:55,240 waiting list for surgery is up to six months unless suddenly I 285 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,680 deteriorate and then you get brushed in. 286 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,400 And, but I'm quite happy to have the six months because I'm 287 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,160 thinking, well, I can use this time to keep myself fit and 288 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,640 healthy and just try and get as strong and in a decent condition 289 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,320 so that when I do go in for surgery, hopefully I'll be out 290 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,160 quick and my recovery will be quick as well. 291 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,200 That's what I'm hoping. Yeah, the, the one thing that I 292 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,040 didn't appreciate beforehand is I brush my teeth twice a day as 293 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,120 you're supposed to, but you don't appreciate that, that 294 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,920 little things. I I had an Abscess in my tooth 295 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,840 and they were like, oh, you're going in for heart surgery 296 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,520 that's coming out. It doesn't matter if it's a 297 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,240 maybe we can treat it or whatever. 298 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,320 If you've got something wrong with your teeth because you 299 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,440 don't look after your teeth, that's the primary route in for 300 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,480 a thing called endocarditis and that can affect your heart and 301 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,120 then that leads to a lot of complications. 302 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:52,880 So look after your teeth and it's just like looking after 303 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,920 your body as a whole. You don't realize just. 304 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,760 Yeah, the impact, you don't, you don't realise, do you know, I, I 305 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,360 actually didn't realise about the the teeth thing either. 306 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:06,720 And I have a letter from my surgeon who has specifically 307 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,480 asked that at my next checkup, the dentist has to send a letter 308 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,920 to confirm that everything is healthy and fine. 309 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,120 But I've been quite on top of when I did my research after I 310 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,280 found out I've been quite on top of my teeth and making sure that 311 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,000 I go to the dentist frequently and anything that needs doing, I 312 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,440 saw it as soon as possible. Because yeah, I didn't realize 313 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,840 that it's links to infection, doesn't it? 314 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,920 I think. Yeah, it's it gets in the, I'm 315 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,240 no doctor, so I can't say properly, but it gets into the 316 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,960 lining of the heart and that's the where the infection starts. 317 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,560 And I know somebody else that's had, I'm not going to scare you 318 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,960 with what they've had, but it's just be healthy. 319 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:54,240 And that goes for everybody. It's Yeah, I, I was 3738 when I 320 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,240 got diagnosed and you're saying that you didn't get diagnosed 321 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,760 early. You don't know that the 322 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,920 advantage that I've got now and you're getting the scan. 323 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,320 So you've got is afterwards we're going to know that we're 324 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,880 OK. People like Nikki here, she's 325 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:21,600 not had the MRI scans and the EC GS, the my perfusion scans, I 326 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,080 can't even name all the scans that I've had and you've 327 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,840 probably had the same things. But. 328 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,600 Afterwards, we know that we're healthy. 99% of people out there 329 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:36,680 don't know that, so all they can do is be as healthy as they can 330 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,480 be. Yeah, that. 331 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,760 Well, that's it, isn't it? Yeah. 332 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,760 If you're not showing any, any symptoms or you're not pushing 333 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,280 your body so you're going to notice that something's going 334 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,520 wrong, you just, yeah, just have to hope that that you're all 335 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,040 good, I guess. And like you said, just keep 336 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,920 yourself as healthy as possible. Because I was diagnosed. 337 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,040 They then scanned my two children just to make sure 338 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,560 because I think it can be genetic. 339 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:11,440 My it was actually my Nana actually had it and yeah, and so 340 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,320 then passed it to me. Thanks. 341 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,440 But luckily my my children don't have it. 342 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,680 So I can I can breathe. Saya, a breath of relief on that 343 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,240 one. My my condition isn't thought to 344 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,680 be hereditary, but there isn't enough research. 345 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,720 It's like such a rare condition, there isn't enough research done 346 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,640 to know that for certain. But I asked for my daughter to 347 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,480 be checked because, yeah, mental health wise, that would have put 348 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,160 stress on me. And. 349 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,840 But no, she is clear. So great. 350 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,840 We, we both, we sorry, I can't talk now. 351 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:51,800 We both know that we're clear. My wife doesn't know that. 352 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,680 So yeah. Yeah, no, it's that, that's 353 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,360 good. And now you've had your surgery. 354 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,800 Do you I do you have any symptoms post surgery or do you 355 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,720 feel completely normal? I, I feel completely normal. 356 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,160 The the only, it's, it's not even a symptom of the condition. 357 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,240 The only symptom that I had after surgery was I tried to run 358 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,480 early and I when I say early, I was, I went from a first run two 359 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,400 weeks after surgery. Oh. 360 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,000 My goodness. The the only symptom that I had 361 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,920 was a pain in my chest, but it wasn't my heart. 362 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:30,840 It was because the bones hadn't had a chance to merge back 363 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,280 together yet. So. 364 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,760 And imagine that's quite painful actually. 365 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,280 Probably more the broken ribs and the incision than anything 366 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,760 else I'd imagine you'll get. Painkillers I would imagine, 367 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,520 hopefully. Oh yeah, there's some wonderful 368 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,840 painkillers. Oh good. 369 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:53,120 But the other thing, I had surgery 3 weeks before the 1st 370 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:57,840 COVID lockdown, so it meant that things like physio, I wasn't 371 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,800 able to get any physio because the physio department was closed 372 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,560 down. So did you use YouTube and find? 373 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,960 Yeah, I I'm a I'm a self coached runner so I just self coached 374 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,640 myself and you're. Amazing, yeah. 375 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,520 Push my body harder than most people probably would and. 376 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,160 Brilliant came. Came out of. 377 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,600 Any further surgeries or now you've had? 378 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:28,000 Not not not that I know of. I had a follow up a year, I had 379 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,640 various follow-ups throughout the year and then I had a proper 380 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,920 follow up a year after surgery and they they said, no, you 381 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,120 don't need to come back after that. 382 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,160 As far as we're concerned, you've got a fully functioning 383 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,600 heart. My my condition means that my 384 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,960 coronary artery is still in the wrong place, but it functions as 385 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,440 if it was in the right place. So right. 386 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,920 Oh, that's great. At least mentally you know 387 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,400 you've got through the hardest part. 388 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,400 Yes. Now you can just carry on with 389 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,680 your life and rebuilding it and your body and running and 390 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,400 everything like that. And I'm actually going to be 391 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:11,120 similar they said, because I'm having a titanium valve fitted 392 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:16,440 and my aorta will be repaired. And hopefully, if everything 393 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,800 goes to plan and my body takes to it all well, I shouldn't need 394 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,520 another surgery in my lifetime, I hope. 395 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,120 Yeah, well, what people have said to me and it'll be exactly 396 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,600 the same for you, but I didn't have anything put in. 397 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:37,200 I just had plumbing rearranged. You're getting a bit of a 398 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,440 titanium. So think about it like this. 399 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,640 You are going to be part robot. So yes, exactly. 400 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,440 And you had a condition previously and you're gonna get 401 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,800 amended. So whatever you were doing 402 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,600 before, you were restricted. So just think about how strong 403 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,080 you're gonna be afterwards. Yes, that's what I'm looking 404 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,600 forward to actually. And I'm looking forward to 405 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,160 starting running again once I'm fully healed and feeling what it 406 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,200 actually feels like to be able to, like you say, function 407 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,480 normally. Because whenever I've ran I've 408 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,680 I've always, yeah, had restricted blood flow and just 409 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,520 not known about it. Yeah, and you, you thought that 410 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,280 was the normal and now your level is going to be higher. 411 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,880 So, you know, at least you hope so you can push yourself even 412 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,600 harder so. Yes, and if I do run another 413 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,360 race, I might even be higher than 10. 414 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,880 When you got diagnosed at 20 and that all came through in the 415 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,280 hospital, how have your family, how's your family coped with 416 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,840 that? Like you say, your parents when 417 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,760 your brothers were very active and then you've got the kids as 418 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:46,280 well. How? 419 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,280 How did they all deal with that diagnosis? 420 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,400 They were quite shocked because they were like, how like you, I 421 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,200 used to, you know, I would run races for and when I was in 422 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,560 secondary school and and I would win by quite a long, a long way. 423 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,120 And, you know, we do our school across countries. 424 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,400 And I'd be sat back in the changing room for like 10 425 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,240 minutes before anyone else turned up. 426 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,600 And yeah, so my parents are just like, how have you done that? 427 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,360 But I guess, I guess just because you you're born that 428 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,600 way, my body knows no different. It just especially when you're 429 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,520 young as well, you can do so much more. 430 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,160 Kai in. But yeah, they they were just, 431 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,440 they were quite shocked by it. And then we realised that my 432 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,600 Nana had the same thing, but she didn't have her operation till 433 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,640 she was in her 70s. So hers hers wasn't picked up 434 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,920 either, I guess. But yeah, just just shock, I 435 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,640 think. And now they've, they've sort 436 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,320 of, they've seen that I'm fine as well because they, they say 437 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,440 to me even now and they're like, yeah, I know you're on the 438 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,800 surgery list and, and what's facing you isn't nice, but 439 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,480 you're OK, aren't you? I was like, yeah, I'm fine. 440 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,200 I'm absolutely fine. I can carry on with, with life. 441 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,560 I just have to. If I feel the fatigue coming on 442 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,800 and I feel tired, I just have to take a step back and let my body 443 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,240 recover and then I'm fine to go again. 444 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,160 So you send fatigue, Do you get that on sort of daily activity 445 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,160 like doing the housework or is it when you're outside doing 446 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,280 active? So at first it was more when I 447 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,960 was active. So I can't, if I was to go out 448 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:44,080 and hike say 6 miles an hour with 2000 foot, say I could 449 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,120 probably, I could do it. But then when I got back, I 450 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,480 would probably wiped out maybe for about a week now. 451 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,080 And where I was in the past, I could go and do that. 452 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,360 I could come back and go for a run and next day get up and 453 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,440 carry on and do all the housework. 454 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,720 And you know, so it's, I definitely see a big decline on 455 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,560 that front. And but now I could, I could go 456 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,720 out and I could walk 3 miles, say, and maybe 1000 feet and I'd 457 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,440 maybe suffer for a day or two after. 458 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,960 But in my mind, I would rather go and do that and suffer than 459 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,280 not do anything at all because it just drives me crazy. 460 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,920 And I think it's just my life and I'd and I just, I would just 461 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,640 be lost without it, I think. As we said about being healthy, 462 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,000 I think if you're not doing anything, you're probably going 463 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,280 to go into decline more because you're not being active, You're 464 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,520 you're keeping yourself fit. Yeah, and mental health is a big 465 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,960 thing, isn't it? And I feel like I've really 466 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,200 suffered with with that actually, especially when I 467 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,920 found out when the surgeon surgeon actually said to me, no, 468 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:05,200 we do need to operate now. It hit me really quite hard, but 469 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,640 more so because I thought, Oh no, it's going to take away my 470 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,640 life. Like what am I going to do with 471 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,880 myself? Like what? 472 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,120 I don't know what else brings me happiness. 473 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,000 So when he said, oh, it's no, you're fine. 474 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,840 You can still walk. You just have to take it easy. 475 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600 I thought, well, that's fine. I can, as long as I can get out 476 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,560 and I can walk, I can still enjoy the scenery. 477 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,120 And you still, I still get that boost and you know, you're still 478 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,160 getting dolphins. You can still feel good. 479 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,200 You just have to scale it back a bit. 480 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,200 And when you know on your adventures like you're saying 481 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,800 about scaling back, a lot of the times we get told to be safe and 482 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,440 take certain pieces of cat out, whether so you've got your basic 483 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,240 like what we would call mandatory kit. 484 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,920 Is there anything extra that you have to do and take out with you 485 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,160 in case God forbid something was to happen or? 486 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,440 Well, not really. I I mean, I always make sure I 487 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,360 have like say the basic kit. So if I was and if it was to 488 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,240 happen, I would be warm. So I have all the all the kit 489 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,640 that we take. I take some food with me, 490 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,320 usually something like a quite like the full fill bars. 491 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,760 Have you heard of those? Yeah, I quite like those. 492 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,000 So I'll make sure I have something, if I feel a bit 493 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,040 waffy, I could get a bit of a sugar boost and just make sure I 494 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,640 have water with me, make sure my phone's fully charged in case I 495 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,720 need to ring anybody. But I usually I'll tell I have 496 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,560 quite a big family around in the lake. 497 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,560 So I always make sure I tell someone where I'm going, what 498 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,720 I'm doing, how long I'm going to be and just have to hope for the 499 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,960 best really. As you say, though, you can't 500 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,240 really live your life too much in fear because, as you say, 501 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,560 mental health is such a big priority and just getting out 502 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,480 and getting the fresh air when you feel good for it, that's 503 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,960 really, really important. Yeah, yeah, definitely. 504 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:10,160 I yeah, I'll take the risk any day, to be honest, just for 505 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,600 mental health and to feel happy. And, and I guess when you're 506 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,320 waiting for something big like that, like a major surgery, you 507 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,040 don't want to be sat in the house dwelling over it and 508 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,600 thinking, oh, what if, what if this what you know, and I know 509 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,240 it's not very nice, but what if I didn't make it or if something 510 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880 happened to me? I don't want to live the next 511 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,880 six months like that. Almost being a prisoner to 512 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,280 yourself. I'm like, no, I'm really want to 513 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:45,760 fight for happiness because it's yeah, even if I did have six 514 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,480 months left is there's no way I'm going to sit here wasting 515 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,840 the time unhappy. So I just I've forced myself 516 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,200 out. I sort of have a fight with 517 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,720 myself. I'm like, no, what you doing 518 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,880 that get out there. And I always feel so much better 519 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640 after and glad that I get myself out. 520 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,720 Yeah, the the thing with I'm quite happily talking to people 521 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:17,120 about having a condition because for me it's sort of my 522 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,160 condition. If I can use that to help other 523 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,000 people by saying go out and get fit, if you've got any symptoms, 524 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,840 go and see a doctor. If I can get that message 525 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,280 forward, then it makes me having the condition seem worthwhile. 526 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,680 If it helps somebody else, do it. 527 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,400 Yeah, definitely. And I think that's why I'm quite 528 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,160 happy to use my Instagram page. It's got quite a few followers 529 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,920 on there now and that I've built up over the years. 530 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,720 And I've started posting a little bit about what it's like 531 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,760 living with the condition and just adding bits in here and 532 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,400 there, especially with the British Heart Foundation 533 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,320 suggesting that we may work together in the future. 534 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,080 I just think it's, yeah, it's good to get it out there. 535 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,600 And if I can help anybody else, like you say, in the same 536 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,840 situation and let them know that it's, yeah, it's it's not nice 537 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,000 to deal with mentally, but you can fight against it and you can 538 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,040 actually find happiness during that really scary time. 539 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:25,320 You just have to switch your mindset, almost get angry with 540 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,520 yourself and like, no, you're not going to sit here and get 541 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,320 upset. We're going out. 542 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,719 I think the raising the Wellness as well is so important because 543 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,520 not only does it give people with any congenital heart 544 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,960 condition hope that people like yourself might get out there and 545 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,159 can still, don't even have to be a runner or anything. 546 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,120 You can go out and just go for short walks, even if it's around 547 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,960 the block and you're not very active to begin with. 548 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,920 Yeah. In the garden and get some air 549 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,800 about you. Even just 10 minutes round the 550 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,000 block, a flat walk, just the fresh air, it gives you such a 551 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,880 boost. I think, yeah, it doesn't have 552 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,440 to be anything big and crazy and not at all. 553 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,840 Just yeah, 10 minutes walking every day I think can just make 554 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,360 a big difference to everything. And you mentioned British Heart 555 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,520 Foundation. Is there anyone else that's 556 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,560 approached you for working with to raise and spread that word 557 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,720 overwhelmness? Yes, so there's there's a 558 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,440 company local to to me here in the lakes called Lake District 559 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,080 Jewelry. And it's a girl that I've just 560 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,600 been in contact with her. She makes her own jewelry and 561 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,320 based on the iconic views around the Lake District, so she makes 562 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,560 like rings that are in the shape of cat bells. 563 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:53,200 And she said to me, would I be interested in promoting her 564 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,360 jewellery? And in return she will give a 565 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,520 percentage of the sales to the British Heart Foundation. 566 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,120 So I thought, oh, that's brilliant because it's, it's 567 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,720 raising awareness, it's giving back to to their life saving 568 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,360 research that they provide and also the jewelleries. 569 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,800 Amazing. So it sort of helps everyone out 570 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,720 really. The the other thing that we 571 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,360 found out, we'd arranged this interview, but we found out it's 572 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,600 actually congenital Heart Awareness Week. 573 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,480 So timing is. Perfect. 574 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:30,960 Brilliant. Yeah. 575 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,440 You don't know. You couldn't write that one. 576 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:39,600 Yeah, that's great. So back to activities because 577 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,720 that's what the podcast is. It's not really it's about us. 578 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:50,800 Well you when you're out in your ventures, what kind of you 579 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,320 mentioned was it for fuel bars? Is there anything else that you 580 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,280 take with you fuel wise? No. 581 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,720 Well, I've I've tried various gels in the past and these 582 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,440 little cubes that you could could take, I can't remember 583 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,760 what the name of them is, but I've never really liked them 584 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,000 that much. I think my body works better off 585 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,840 proper food, so I'll just make sure that I have something 586 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,800 really decent before I go. And I prefer to have a banana 587 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,280 maybe instead of like a gel and also maybe one of these fulfil 588 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,720 bars. And I think they definitely give 589 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:37,440 me enough boost, I would say. And because I'm not doing masses 590 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,520 of miles, I know that a lot of people do rely on gels, don't 591 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,520 they? And I actually one time I did, I 592 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,760 ran the Kempmere Horseshoe and I was starting to feel a little 593 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,040 bit weak towards the end of my friend gave me a gel. 594 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,320 And that was beneficial to, to be fair. 595 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,040 But yeah, if it was my choice I would rather have something more 596 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,200 like a fulfill bar or banana. The the the blocks that you 597 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,760 can't remember. Probably Cliff shop blocks. 598 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,720 Yes, that's it. Yeah. 599 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,480 I I find them if you've been either pushing really hard or 600 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,360 running for a long time and you just can't stand eating, they 601 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,720 they go down quite easily because you they just dissolve 602 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,000 in your mouth. Yeah, because I guess you, you 603 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,760 might feel a bit nauseous. I, I'd imagine I just, I've 604 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,840 learned this actually off off my son. 605 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,520 Not that he goes some miles because he's only 11, but he, he 606 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,760 often can feel a bit nauseous if, if he's pushed himself to 607 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,400 the limit and he, he can't stand the smell or sight of any proper 608 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,960 food for about half an hour, which which I thought, oh, that 609 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,560 makes sense why people have the, the gels and the blocks. 610 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,840 They're just easier. Are they? 611 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,520 I think it's something you got to remember for somebody at that 612 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,280 age, their legs are half the size of your legs, so they're 613 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,080 doing double the amount of steps. 614 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,480 That's true. Yeah. 615 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,120 They might not feel like miles, but they've done double what 616 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:08,880 you're doing. So. 617 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,360 Yeah, very. True, yeah. 618 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,680 With your various activities over the years, even from 619 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:19,160 childhood with the family, is there any big adventures that 620 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,120 you've had that stand out, whether it be a formal event or 621 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,600 just something to get out? Well, yeah, I I always said to 622 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,720 myself when I started running, I thought I always look up at at 623 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:36,080 the horseshoes and Kempmere was one that I was always like, I 624 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,160 really would love to run that one day. 625 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,440 So I, I built myself up strong enough and, and I thought, 626 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,920 right, today's the day and I just went and ran the horseshoe. 627 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,480 So I felt so proud of myself. That was like a big, big like 628 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:56,320 achievement to me. And also one thing that I really 629 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,400 wanted to do was because this whole thing started off because 630 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,800 of my dad, I thought I would really love to be able to run 631 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,400 some mountains with my dad. And so I have done that. 632 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,680 He got me up at something like 5:00 in the morning. 633 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,120 I felt sick. So and then he was like, right, 634 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,240 come on, we're going to go and run up Red Squeeze. 635 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:20,400 And so we made it up there and we watched the sunrise together. 636 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,160 And that's like a real sort of stand out moment to me. 637 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,280 So going forward after my surgery, I would love to be able 638 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,120 to run with dad again and stand at the top of the mountain and 639 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,840 watch, watch the sunrise and then run down together. 640 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,000 So that's like my goal at the moment. 641 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,560 I think that's a very admirable, good target. 642 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,000 I remember being in the hospital and they said of what? 643 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,880 What are your targets? And they were talking about 644 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,040 running because they obviously talked about that. 645 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:57,320 And I told them that, OK, my target is to do a fire mile run 646 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,920 or I can't remember if it's fire miles or a marathon by the end 647 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,080 of the year. And surgery was in February, so 648 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,800 I had almost a year. Yeah. 649 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,840 But actually in my head was I was doing 100 mile by the end of 650 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,240 the year and I did it 11 weeks after surgery, so. 651 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,680 Oh wow, that's amazing. Aim high, that's. 652 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,280 All I can say, yeah. You're you're more more capable 653 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,480 than you think you are. Yes. 654 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,200 Do you know what that is? That is amazing. 655 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,360 That's going to give me some motivation that. 656 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,200 Yeah, that's great. Did you feel OK afterwards as 657 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,320 well? Did you recover? 658 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,920 I I, I felt like I hadn't been training up in, like I had 659 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,920 stopped sort of properly running. 660 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,640 I can't remember 6 months before the surgery. 661 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,320 I felt like I had lack of training, but I was slower. 662 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,640 I was, yeah, I knew that I hadn't trained properly, but I 663 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,000 still, I did it. And that was the mental side of 664 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,400 things. It was proving. 665 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,080 It was proving to myself that I could still do it. 666 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,200 Yeah, yeah, that's it, isn't it? You just, yeah, I in my head, 667 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,200 I'm, I'm like right once, once I've done this surgery, I'm 668 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,400 going to do it for myself and I'm, I'm going to make sure I 669 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,760 run up red squeeze and back down again. 670 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,320 Yeah, that's that's the goal. Well, even if you, even if you 671 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,960 have to walk, crawl, whatever, as long as you know that you're 672 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,200 trying that, I think that's the main thing. 673 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,360 Definitely an info running as well. 674 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,200 Actually because it is so steep I think you can get away with 675 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,200 still calling it a road if you fast walk up and then run down. 676 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,320 So then, yeah. Nikki will tell you that you're 677 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,720 allowed to do that in flats as well. 678 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,120 Hey, the trail shoe is on. It's a trail running map. 679 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,440 Exactly, Yeah. Whether it be 50 meters or 500 680 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,560 or whatever, when you're going up your hills and out your 681 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,720 activities and your runs, what do you generally think about to 682 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:08,320 get you through? I think usually I'm I'm so blown 683 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,440 away by the views that I'm almost taken into a different 684 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,240 world. Sounds a bit extreme, but and I 685 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,120 and I sort of think, I usually think about how lucky I am to be 686 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,000 there, how lucky I am that I'm still able to be doing it. 687 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:31,600 And to be honest, I think I often have thoughts of how happy 688 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,680 it makes me and how amazing this life is and just feel free in in 689 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,960 that time. That's tend tend to be what I 690 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,400 think about. So it's good just to get up the 691 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,200 hills and just to, it sounds really bizarre, but to hear the 692 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,120 quiet just off when there's no one else. 693 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,160 If you're fortunate enough to walk my week, there's not very 694 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:02,600 many walkers out or runners on the hills and it's so still and 695 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,040 it's just amazing. I think that's why I often think 696 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,480 that it's like entering into another world because there 697 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,280 isn't anybody for miles and you can just like, say you can, you 698 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,840 can hear and feel the wind on on your face. 699 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,680 You can hear the birds. It's, yeah, it's it's just 700 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,960 brings you peace, doesn't it? Yeah, that's yeah. 701 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,440 And being out in peace, as you're saying. 702 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:36,160 I know that I've been out in situations which have been 703 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520 stupid. I've quite happily admit you 704 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,200 shouldn't do them. Being up on For us it's 705 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,880 Monroe's, but for you it'd be Wayne Wright's. 706 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,640 I guess, being up in there and conditions. 707 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,240 I I've been out and in conditions that I shouldn't have 708 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,240 been on my own, not seeing anybody all day. 709 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,200 If something had happened because I had a condition that 710 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,760 at the time I didn't know about, I wouldn't be here. 711 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,960 Have you been in any situations like that that you think about 712 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,520 now? Let me think, I think I've 713 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,160 probably actually been quite sensible when I think about it. 714 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,000 The last sort of big adventure that I had before I I was told 715 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,120 that now I need surgery was on Coniston, Old man. 716 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:34,400 We did a round and it was really thick snow and ice and it 717 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,240 probably could have gone wrong because he it got very dark very 718 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,960 quickly when we're at the top. And because it's complete white 719 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,920 out, it's harder to navigate, isn't it? 720 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,000 But I was with somebody. So every time I've done 721 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,640 something that might be my parents might say that. 722 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,520 What you doing that for? I've always been with someone. 723 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,480 So yeah, I've never really put myself at risk like that. 724 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,880 Still done silly things, but yeah, but in company. 725 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,920 Well, you're more sensible than me. 726 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,160 Well done. Those are the best potentials 727 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,760 though. Yes, Yeah, that sounds good fun, 728 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,480 isn't it? You mentioned earlier about your 729 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,400 goal is to go out and run with your dad, A question that we ask 730 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,120 people. Have you got anybody that you 731 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,960 would dream about going for a run an adventure with? 732 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,960 Either a live not or fictional or not? 733 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:48,600 Well, I think to me my, my dad is my hero and so I think I 734 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,120 would just love to be able to run with dad again and also to 735 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,320 be able to run with my son Charlie, although I have no 736 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,080 chance of keeping up with him. But to be able to run with both 737 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,960 of them together would just be amazing to me. 738 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:11,960 So hopefully if I go in for surgery, the end of summer, I'm 739 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,960 not sure whether to say by the end of the year is too soon or 740 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,240 not. I don't know about going off 741 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,000 what you said, though, and what you've done. 742 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,720 Then it's not unachievable, I guess. 743 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,880 So, yeah. To be able to run with them, 744 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,240 too, and stand at the top of one of the mountains and watch the 745 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,520 sunrise, that that would be, yeah. 746 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,240 That would just be perfect for me. 747 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,040 And are you going to use as motivation when you're halfway 748 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,880 up the hill and they tell you you're tired? 749 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,400 You say, well I've done it and I've got a hard condition. 750 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,280 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna rub 751 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,040 that in everyone's face. Use it. 752 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,480 Use it for your weapons, yeah. Oh, I will. 753 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,040 Yeah. Definitely. 754 00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,560 Yeah. When he if he if Charlie says 755 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,040 he's tired or complaints that he has to go to training, which he 756 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,680 really does, I'll definitely be pulling that out of the bag. 757 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,640 Good, good. So moving beyond that, even into 758 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,880 the likes of next year when you'll be fully recovered, have 759 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,080 you got any big goals, dreams like of Bones, anything that 760 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,280 you've got your heart set on? Yeah, well, we absolutely as a 761 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,880 family, we absolutely love Scotland and my my dad had 762 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,040 mentioned that once I'm fully recovered we should go and start 763 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,920 hiking Monroes. Yes. 764 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:43,720 So yes, so that I think that's going to be my first goal is to 765 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,880 be able to stand at the top of one of the Monroes, I think. 766 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:53,160 And then after that, if I can run and and race again. 767 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,800 And I always wanted to do run the ring of steel. 768 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,520 I don't know why, but it was just like a standout race to me 769 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,120 that I just think, whoa, I would just love to get rounds that. 770 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,760 And so it's a bit of a setting the bar high here, but I would 771 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,240 love to be able to run the Ring of Steel one day as well. 772 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,400 And the Monroes as well. Has my dad done them? 773 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,920 Did you say? Yeah, we've done a few when we 774 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,360 were kids. We've done a few. 775 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,280 I'm not sure which which ones we did now because also back when 776 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,200 we were kids, social media wasn't a thing and we didn't 777 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,000 even really take pictures either. 778 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,760 So now when people say, oh, what have you done? 779 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,560 I'm like, well, I've done everything, but I have no 780 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,200 evidence. If it if it's not on Strava, did 781 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,040 it count? So I'll have to start completely 782 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,160 from scratch. That'll be good then that it can 783 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,120 tell you which one. Which ones will be the good ones 784 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,440 to start off with. Makes quite a lot of experience 785 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,760 and a few of them. I've done 10 so far. 786 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,040 Oh well, messaging. You go pack our brains away. 787 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,240 Oh yeah, well, I'll be I'll be messaging you and asking for 788 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:05,120 info for sure. Well. 789 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,800 I think if you're wanting to set something that is definitely 790 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,760 achievable, go for one of the ones at Glenshie because you're 791 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,200 more or less parked at the ski center and you're more or less 792 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,960 halfway up. You can take all day just to get 793 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,760 up. It's basically a ski run's 794 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,440 worth. So that would be. 795 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,160 Perfect. Yeah, even now I think you could 796 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,400 achieve it. Yes, I need Oh well, and also it 797 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,200 is a coffee at the bottom waiting then that's always like 798 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,640 a good. Depending on the time of year, 799 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,440 and I'm not saying how good the cafe there is, good or bad, it 800 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,320 might be excellent, but yeah. Oh well, maybe I'll let you know 801 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:51,040 how it is. Leading on from that, what's 802 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,720 what's next? You've got surgery sometime. 803 00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,000 You haven't got a date yet as far as I know. 804 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,680 Yeah, so I don't have a date. I'm placed it on the list. 805 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:08,880 And yeah, he said it's currently up to six months, which from 806 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,960 when he told me he's actually July, but I have said we've got 807 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,160 a big family holiday in August. And so I said, if I'm haven't 808 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,720 deteriorated any further and it's safe for me to do so, can I 809 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:26,200 delay the surgery? I'm thinking of my children as 810 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,200 well. I thought if if they're off 811 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,160 during summer, it won't be great. 812 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,960 I'd rather they're in school, in routine and I can just sort of 813 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,800 disappear without telling them. And then hopefully they'll just 814 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,800 be told after that I'm fine and they can come and see me. 815 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,360 So I'm thinking September time hopefully, hopefully get in and 816 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:53,120 get out as quick as possible and then it will be rebuilding 817 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,360 myself I guess, building myself back up and feeling what it's 818 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,520 like to have a fully normal functioning heart as well. 819 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,920 Apparently you have to get used to hearing a tick because it's 820 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,000 titanium and when it's really quiet you can hear it ticking 821 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,960 away, which might drive me mad, but I think eventually your 822 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,800 brain gets used to it and you don't hear it any any longer so. 823 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,120 Just think some people run to metronome so you've got built in 824 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:30,560 metronome so. It sounds like you've got you've 825 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,760 got an amazing support around you to help you with that 826 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,960 recovery, so there'll be no doubt that you'll be back up and 827 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,520 active again in no time. Yes, I am very lucky. 828 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,840 I have my my parents and my two brothers as well and they have 829 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,320 all said that they're going to be there for me. 830 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,920 I'm a kids at 100% and yeah, they said not to worry about 831 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,000 anything, they're just going to sort everything out for me. 832 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,120 So I'm very lucky. Yeah, I have a really great 833 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:06,360 support, so yeah. Well, I think we're going to end 834 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,480 it there today and just say it's been fantastic talking to you, 835 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,920 Laura and everybody listening. I'm going to speak for them. 836 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,040 We all wish you the best of luck. 837 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,080 Hopefully your surgery will happen when at a time that suits 838 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,160 you, but everything will go well. 839 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:26,600 And thanks Nikki for being Nikki. 840 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,880 Thank you, Laura, for joining us today and thanks everybody for 841 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,320 listening. And thank. 842 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,240 You goodbye for me. Thanks so much.