1 00:00:25,190 --> 00:00:28,590 Hello everybody, and welcome back Tonight. 2 00:00:28,590 --> 00:00:34,350 I'm joined by a relatively newcomer to at least the Ultra 3 00:00:34,350 --> 00:00:39,150 scene running. We'll start talking about it in 4 00:00:39,150 --> 00:00:42,710 a minute, but I'm joined by Nikki Sheridan. 5 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:46,070 Welcome. Hi, thanks for having me on no. 6 00:00:46,670 --> 00:00:51,030 Problem at all. First off, question to ask, 7 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:57,000 every first question I asked everybody is who are you, where 8 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,040 about do you stay and how did you first get in the running? 9 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:05,360 I am Nikki Sheridan and I live in Glasgow and I got into 10 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,120 running. I suppose you would say I'm a 11 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,800 COVID runner, so to speak. So I got into the Body Coach 12 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,680 series shortly after I got COVID. 13 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,280 That gave me a bit of a fright, having seen the effects of it on 14 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:26,080 the news and what have you. And then just through meeting 15 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,360 other people through Instagram, through the Body Coach 16 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,520 community, some of them were running and it's snowballed from 17 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,440 there pretty much. What is body coach is not 18 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,160 something I've heard of before. Do you want to? 19 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:45,120 But the coach is Joe Wex. OK, so he founded PE with Joe. 20 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,120 So he done workouts from your living room during COVID. 21 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,280 He'd done PE lessons and things like that. 22 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,040 He I followed him before COVID. He was, he is a personal 23 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,040 trainer. So I followed him from about 24 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,160 2014 or so, 2015. His niche was he'd done meal 25 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,800 plans like prepping in 15 minutes and you'd have your done 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,920 that in 15 minutes and bought his cookbooks and things, done 27 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:16,840 some of his YouTube workouts and then from 2020, I suppose that's 28 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,120 what that was his big break I suppose because none of us could 29 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,320 go anywhere and there's an awful lot of parents that had young 30 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,160 kids or school kids at the time. The schools were encouraging PE 31 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,120 with Joe as part of the PE lesson because we were in lock 32 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,560 down and not encouraged to go out. 33 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,800 First thing that sticks out there, does 15 minutes meals 34 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,120 work? It actually does if you're 35 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,520 prepared enough. Usually with these things, it's 36 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,040 the preparation. It tells you it's 15 minutes, 37 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,000 but if you're anything like me as a chef, it takes me 15 38 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,760 minutes to peel and chop. What potato? 39 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,160 So, So here's 15 minutes is If you've got everything ready, you 40 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,120 can cook it in 15 minutes I. Would say so, yeah. 41 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,760 Yeah, so how do the kids get on with PE at home? 42 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,960 Were you the the hard instructor? 43 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,840 How did you? At the time the my youngest she 44 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,680 was only 2 so she was just toddling about. 45 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,640 So my older girls, 2 girls I have, she was four or five at 46 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:27,120 the time. So she just bounced about with 47 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,000 me. You know, she, it was almost 48 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,000 kind of like, you know, monkey see, monkey do. 49 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,760 So you see, she sees me doing squat. 50 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,880 She was joining in. And then the two year old gets 51 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:40,000 under your feet when you're trying to do a Buffy and it got 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,160 interesting. So can they out squat you? 53 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,840 Oh absolutely. They've got better form as well. 54 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,320 Well. They they, they've probably got. 55 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,280 What I find with mine is they haven't learned to do it wrong. 56 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,840 Exactly. So I think a lot of mistakes 57 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,400 that us as adults make is because we've learned to do it 58 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,720 the wrong way and it's difficult. 59 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:15,120 It's like they don't know fear. It's fear is a learnt thing I 60 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,720 think. Definitely, and then running 61 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:22,280 that could be really useful to not have that fear for your form 62 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,520 and technique going downhills especially. 63 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:32,280 Yes, right. So next question is you got in 64 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:35,680 through into running through your body coaching, How does 65 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:41,120 that develop into running? It was a couple of female body 66 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,200 cultures that were into the running and they were posting 67 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,560 things and I thought I'd like to give that a try. 68 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,000 So in 2021, when the rules were a little bit more relaxed, I 69 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,280 used to like going out for longer drives and would head up 70 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:59,600 to Mugdog Country Park, which is about half an hour away from 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,680 where I live in the East End of Glasgow. 72 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:08,240 And getting out among the trails and just, you know, trying to 73 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,640 run, so to speak, and taking in all the sounds, nature, seeing 74 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,040 the locks, the castle, it was just, it was so good for the 75 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,880 mind more than anything. I would try to run, but then 76 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,480 you're like, this is really hard. 77 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,640 It's killing me. And then you would slow down and 78 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,880 just try and get better at that. So suppose in the way I started 79 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:34,600 trail running before I took it on, I was going to say a bit 80 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,280 more seriously, like started training plans and what have 81 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:41,680 you. So is trail trailer tarmac. 82 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,000 Trail 100% tarmac's too fast for me. 83 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:53,520 So I where I live is trail all the time and that is the way 84 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,960 that we chose to live here for that reason, countryside and 85 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,840 stuff. When I go into the tarmac, it's 86 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:03,920 like this is so much easier because like although you're 87 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,200 saying it's faster, it's easier to go faster because you've been 88 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,640 running on trail. Funnily enough how you're 89 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,920 actually saying that using last night's run that went on as an 90 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,000 example, I was working 9:00 to 5:00 Saturday, Sunday and last 91 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,800 night was like right? I really want to go for a run 92 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,720 just to fund a bit of energy off. 93 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,720 And it was the 1st Rd. run I think I've had in ages because 94 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,600 I've been training on trail as much as I can for the whole 95 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,920 year. And I went out and I thought 96 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,840 this feels really good. It was supposed to be a 40 97 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:38,120 minute easy, which then for me ended up as tempo because as the 98 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,480 kilometers come onto the watch, I'm like, that's really fast for 99 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,080 me and I don't feel like I'm dying. 100 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,200 Let's see how we get on. And then before I knew it, I was 101 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,200 running up the hills, which my mindset in the past is, oh, it's 102 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,640 a hell. It's just we'll walk that and 103 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,360 then we'll just run the downs. But last night it felt really 104 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,840 quick. I felt good and I'm just putting 105 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,280 it down to as you're saying, because I've been training on 106 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:05,080 trails, which is an entirely different beast. 107 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,720 The roads just fell so different and not, not as much effort. 108 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,640 Yeah. But it can only be a good thing. 109 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Definitely. Yeah, what a race wise the you 110 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,880 don't have to develop on the races, but I know that you've 111 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,040 done a few what what was your first race? 112 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,400 How did that come about? Funnily enough, after I had my 113 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,760 oldest in 2015, I wanted to get a bit fat. 114 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,720 So throughout my adult life my weight has yo yoed. 115 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,240 So I've went from going to personal training, weights, 116 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,520 running, you know, trying different things. 117 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,720 And after I've had my oldest, I decided, oh, that Glasgow 10K 118 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,800 looks really good. I think I'll give that a go. 119 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,800 It'll be a good challenge. And that was my oldest was born 120 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,840 in the March and that wasn't until October. 121 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,320 So I thought, right, that's a really good time that I can 122 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,520 train. And my training plan at that 123 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,440 point consisted of like three runs between March and 124 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,560 September, done that run. And then I just didn't run again 125 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,600 after that because it was really, really hard. 126 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,560 And then once I've done once I've got more into, back into 127 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,880 the running, so to speak, and being influenced by other people 128 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,120 on Instagram, like, oh, do you think I could do a virtual 10K? 129 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,280 Like, yeah, just make sure you choose somewhere flat because 130 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,159 it's virtual and it'll be better for you. 131 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:43,080 So I've done the Edinburgh 10K and the May 2021 around 132 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:50,320 Strathclyde Park and managed to take about 15 to 17 minutes off 133 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:55,560 my time in 2015 which and then I think from then that's just when 134 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,960 it took off because I was like this feels really good and I 135 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,720 feel dead but I just took off from there. 136 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:10,080 And race wise, I, I know that you've done a couple of ultras 137 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:16,120 now because you've told me about it, but how did you sort of go 138 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,280 go from doing what you just described to doing ultras? 139 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,320 How does so the? 10K the 10K was in 2021 and I 140 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,560 just continued. I didn't actually have a coach 141 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:29,440 or anything at that point or even any running plans. 142 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,200 I was going. I was still doing the dual Wicks 143 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:37,760 body coach four times a week on YouTube, fitting runs in when I 144 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,360 could and then thought, right, I'm doing longer runs here, 145 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,400 let's see if I can do a half marathon. 146 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:50,960 Done 2-3 half marathons in 2022 and at that point I'd got myself 147 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,520 a running coach online who mainly specialised in roads. 148 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:59,760 But it did give me structure and an idea of training plans and 149 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:06,320 finding out terms like intervals and fart lick and long runs and 150 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,240 all the things that you would get in a training plan. 151 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,360 And once I'd done the three half marathons, I thought, I wonder 152 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,360 if I could progress onto a marathon, which then I did in 153 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,000 2023, had the probably one of the best training blocks that 154 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,480 you could ever have. Because I stuck to everything. 155 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:30,840 My last long run was setting me on course for four hours, 30 to 156 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,320 five hours in a marathon. And when I got to Edinburgh and 157 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,360 my coach ran with me, my feeling was so off because of the nerves 158 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:43,040 and everything like that absolutely bombed and it was one 159 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,560 of the hottest Edinburgh marathons that you could have 160 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:49,600 had I think ever. So then I ended up getting 553. 161 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,600 Took a bit of a dip after that but then I knew him myself 162 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,080 because the training had went so well. 163 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,280 Thankfully I had the foresight and mentality to say you know 164 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,080 what, it was just a bad day. So done a few 10 KS after that 165 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,120 and then signed up for ultras this year. 166 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:15,120 And I, I've done Edmund marathon, I've done, I'm going 167 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:21,440 to say 4 Rd. marathons and Edinburgh was one of them and it 168 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,840 was a roast and hot day that day as well. 169 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,520 And other people have said exactly the same thing. 170 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,920 So I think it's just you don't like the heat, don't do 171 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,160 Edinburgh. Well, that's the thing. 172 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,680 I thought because it was downhill and flat, it was an 173 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:36,040 ideal first marathon. I was like, what? 174 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,360 You go wrong? But with hindsight now and 175 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,680 knowing you learn so much even from the bad one, in fact and 176 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:46,160 the bad ones, I think you learn more than the good ones. 177 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,400 A lot more because you know what not to do next time. 178 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,200 The year that I did it, I got to the checkpoint, just several 179 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,600 checkpoints, just in time to get a drink of water because they 180 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,240 run out. They they claimed that somebody 181 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,000 had stolen the water. Whether that was true or not, 182 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,960 it's not my place to say. No, I was just happy like that. 183 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:16,360 My year I got a medal, so I'm just counting myself lucky. 184 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,720 The there's one year if you search for Edmar Marathon medal 185 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,360 and the the shape of the metal is interesting. 186 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:33,320 It looks like a men's appendage. So what other Rd. marathons have 187 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,360 you done apart from Edinburgh? Edinburgh was my first and I've 188 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:43,720 done Loch Ness three times. I've done a fair arrest of 189 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:49,000 marathon, It's a off road trail marathon, done it twice and I 190 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,600 think I've done 60 something ultras. 191 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,720 Wow. So yeah, ultras is the way to 192 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,680 go. So you you've said you signed up 193 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,800 to ultras, which, which ones is it you've done? 194 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,920 So my first one, originally I wanted my very first Ultra to be 195 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,200 the Devil. Which Devil of the Highlands? 196 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,360 Which are wearing the T-shirt. Exactly wet. 197 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Spoiler alert, which on speaking to quite so by this point I've 198 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,080 met quite a lot of views virtually and I'm not shy and 199 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,400 asking questions. As you know, and there was 200 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,600 toying with this idea. I want the devil to be my first 201 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:36,040 ultra and quite a lot of people says right, do a 50K first and 202 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,960 just let's build up because there's no doubt that you will 203 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,920 be able to do the devil because this was back in November 23. 204 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,480 I've made this decision. They're like, right, you can do 205 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,840 things in between us, you will be able to do the training but 206 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,360 do a different ultra is your first one because you need to 207 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,960 prepare for that ultra distance in an event. 208 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,280 So it ended up it was Ross Beverage that recommended the 209 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:05,640 John Muir Way Ultra that's on his doorstep and he says it's 210 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:08,280 flat. It does take him part of the 211 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,560 Edinburgh Marathon course, the very beginning of it, but it's 212 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,920 not on the roads, it's to the side on the trail. 213 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,240 And then once I've done that, it was actually a really good 214 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,200 suggestion because the there was different terrains. 215 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:27,360 So it was from trail to road to North Berwick Beach, which I 216 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,440 absolutely hated. I can't stand running on sand. 217 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,600 It was horrendous. Anybody that you speak to that 218 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,480 done the John Muir Way ultra this year will all tell you that 219 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,000 it was probably one of the worst headwinds that they've because 220 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,320 it was a, it was 50 kilometres of headwinds, which for me I was 221 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,280 like, it's, I didn't think it was that bad because it was my 222 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,600 first ultra. So I had no reference to 223 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,720 anything else. But everybody else is like, Oh 224 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,160 no, that was terrible. That was a terrible first ultra 225 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:58,920 for you. Thank you. 226 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,080 And I was like, no, I thought it was OK, it's not put me off. 227 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,240 You know, I'm actually really proud. 228 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,400 I've done an ultra. So then I've done my next one 229 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:12,040 after that was run the Blades 50K, which was my last long run 230 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,760 before the Devil. I'm coached by Nicola Dawson and 231 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,400 she ran it by her just to make sure because before Nicola 232 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,960 became my coach, I'd signed up to this and says what's your 233 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,440 thoughts? And she's like, well, you can do 234 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,840 it as your last long run, but don't make it competitive like 235 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,960 it's, it's an event, which if you know me, all the events are 236 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,200 an event I don't think I'm at. I actually thought I was more 237 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,760 competitive until I started ultra running. 238 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,400 And now every event is just an event, a goal to see if I can 239 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,520 finish and push myself. And then we've done the Devil in 240 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,400 August. You you say competitive. 241 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,720 Are you competitive against yourself? 242 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,360 Like if you did the same race next year, would you be looking 243 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,240 to better your time? Definitely, I think I would, 244 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,440 yeah. At the minute, I've not got any 245 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:10,360 plans to do any of the three that I've done this year, but I 246 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,920 definitely would love to go back and do it just because I've got 247 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,720 other challenges, which I'm sure we will come to. 248 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Yeah, later on in the interview. But just at the moment, and also 249 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,640 I'm trying not to fall into the trap of signing up for 250 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,840 everything, which I'm like that, right? 251 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,400 This is my last one. And then something else will 252 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,560 come up and I'll be like, oh, John, who's my husband? 253 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,960 I'm like, what do you think? He says you said this last one 254 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,440 was your last one. I know what that but. 255 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:51,520 Yeah. You mentioned your coach and how 256 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,360 long have you been with this coach? 257 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,320 And you mentioned the online coach previously. 258 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:01,160 Is that different people? Have in the time I started 259 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,440 having a coach I've actually had three coaches so my first coach 260 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:13,079 was Craig Benz who runs under the company RWB Coaching and he 261 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,119 was fabulous for getting me started. 262 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,800 He was really supportive. He came up to Edinburgh Marathon 263 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,200 to run it with me and he he was a good coach. 264 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:30,280 But I decided it came to a point where I wasn't enjoying roads, I 265 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,080 was more enjoying trail running and trail wasn't Craig's 266 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,440 strength. And I wasn't sure at that point. 267 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,560 This was towards the end of 2023. 268 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,680 I still wasn't sure what direction I was going to go in. 269 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,960 This was before I'd signed up for John Muir. 270 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,480 So we decided to part ways and I didn't have a coach for a couple 271 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,800 of months and then I went under my Houston. 272 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,480 I had to think I was going to say your name there. 273 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,080 I'll make Houston, who is a relatively new coach. 274 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,520 It was kind of mates, one of my really good pals. 275 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,600 So he's like, oh, I'll I'll help you out with the coach and I'll 276 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,080 get you to your first ultra. I was like, oh, terrific. 277 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,440 And that was really good. That worked out well. 278 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,400 But then again, make he has ran quite a few ultras. 279 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,040 But when I seen Nick, Nicola Dawson, who I've been with now 280 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,920 since June, she has, I listened to her interview on Young Hearts 281 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,280 from Three and it just got me thinking. 282 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,800 And she's got so, so much experience, particularly on the 283 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,000 West Highland way, which really intrigued me. 284 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,120 And also as well, she's a female coach. 285 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,160 So I went from to male coaches. I thought actually she's a mum, 286 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,360 she's busy. She's, I don't know, I just feel 287 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:52,080 as though we had a lot more in common. 288 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,720 Yeah, more relatable to what you are going through. 289 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,960 Yeah, definitely. And when I'd spoken to Mike, I 290 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,400 was, I'm not lie, I was absolutely dreading saying, 291 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,360 look, I'm going to go with a different coach and he was 292 00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:06,400 fantastic and we're still really good friends now, which is good 293 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,960 and which is what I wanted. So I've been with Nick since 294 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,520 June and it's just, she's just fantastic. 295 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,160 Is that in person? Online. 296 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,720 How does that work? About both actually she's she 297 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,320 lives in Mogai and runs a running group, Epic Trails, 298 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:31,080 which she can go to every Thursday, sign up on entry 299 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Central, it's £3.00 + 50 pence booking fee. 300 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,160 But she doesn't actually gain, like she doesn't personally gain 301 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,160 from it. She goes to a certain charity of 302 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,360 whatever choice. So be it Mountain Rescue, a 303 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,680 trail charity. And the more notable 1 is she's 304 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,840 actually funded the defibrillator at the Saint Malka 305 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,640 at the Kabas. It was all the epic trails money 306 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,480 that paid for that defibrillator. 307 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:02,040 So it does all go to a good cause and you get to run with a 308 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,320 really lovely group through the trails of Mogai. 309 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,760 At the end of each month they'll go on tour somewhere in 310 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:15,760 Scotland, I mean central belt. Is that open to anybody to sign 311 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,560 up to? Yeah, yeah. 312 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,760 And you just search entry central for epic trails. 313 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,840 Epic trails and then it will tell you each distance that 314 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,920 she's doing every week. So at the start of the month 315 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,480 she'll do 6K, then 8K, then 10K and then at the end of the month 316 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,000 it will be on tour. So they usually start up Milgai 317 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,240 train station, which I'm still a bit of a geeky fan girl about 318 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,000 because being brand new to this scene, the only times before I'd 319 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,240 went to Epic Trails was I would volunteered at the flank. 320 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,200 And I went to go and see the start of the West Highland Way 321 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,760 with all these amazing runners. And when you go to Mall Guy 322 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,720 train station and see the big sign of the West Highland Way 323 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:04,320 start, it's it's quite special. Yeah, I, I think I've been 324 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,360 involved with the West Highland Way, well, since I started ultra 325 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:14,720 running anyway, so that must be about 14 years or something now. 326 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,560 So I've, I've been to the, I've been to Bogai on the longest day 327 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,280 of the year at one O clock in the morning several times. 328 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,480 So it's just I can. It's just an amazing community 329 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,160 just from, you know, looking into it just this year, just 330 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,800 learning who are the core parts of the community and it's just a 331 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,320 really lovely group of people. So that's what's drawn me to the 332 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,280 West Highland Way events. Right. 333 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,240 Sorry for jumping all over the place back to you were saying 334 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,040 about you said something about your job. 335 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,800 I can't remember what you said. What is it you do for a living? 336 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,680 I'm a radiographer. OK. 337 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,840 What does that involve? It involves doing X-rays, CT 338 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,880 scans, MRI scans. I've had a few of them I. 339 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,640 Hope we were all lovely too, yeah? 340 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:16,920 A surprising amount of altar runners work in places like 341 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:26,440 cardiology and can't remember the name of the scan that I 342 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,400 can't even remember the name of the person that does it. 343 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,360 It's like an ultrasound but on your heart. 344 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,040 What? Would that be called? 345 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,880 April Cal ECG or E KG, whatever one is. 346 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,120 Yeah, there was an ultra runner that did my scan for that. 347 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:50,120 It was an ultra runner that did my the one that goes through 348 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:53,360 your wrist and in your heart. All right, the angiogram. 349 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,520 Angiogram. Yeah, I sat and watched them do 350 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,800 it on the screen while an ultra runner poked my heart with a a 351 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,320 wire. So yeah, they're all over the 352 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:03,600 place. You can't get rid of them. 353 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,920 I'm discovering that I'm still learning that. 354 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,400 I got quite excited when I found another radiographer that is 355 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,520 going to be doing the same event I'm doing next year. 356 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,720 And she's like, oh, I'm not prepared. 357 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,400 I'm like, Oh my God, we can go together, that's fine. 358 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,840 So does that involve being on your feet or you? 359 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Yeah, so my, my specialty is CT scanning and that has never 360 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,000 ended as a conveyor belt because the service is so, so busy. 361 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,640 It's it's non-stop, which I really, really enjoy. 362 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,000 And you just get a wide range of patients through. 363 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,080 So you get everybody from like the extreme end of traumas to 364 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,720 and like your cancer scans, your follow up cancer scans, people 365 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,040 in remission and sometimes you get to follow patients journeys, 366 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,600 which is really rewarding. So it's lovely to see when they 367 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,600 first get a diagnosis where it's really, really grim and it 368 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,480 doesn't look good. It's lovely to see when they 369 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,040 come back and see I'm in remission and the scans are 370 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,800 starting to look clear. That's that's really rewarding 371 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,040 actually. Yeah. 372 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,000 And for for you with that type of you're on your feet all day, 373 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:23,920 how do you feel that helps with your running or does it make any 374 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,440 difference at all? I for me personally I sit behind 375 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,000 a desk all day so getting outside. 376 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,560 I think to be honest, it's see because I'm used to it and I've 377 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,480 been doing it for quite a while. It kind of just becomes sort of 378 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000 like your norm. So you have to push a bit more 379 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,720 for the train. And I would actually say it's 380 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,120 more the mental side than anything that, you know, if 381 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:48,960 you've had a long day and you have been on your feet all day 382 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,280 and it's been physically and mentally exhausted, it is 383 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,800 actually harder to get out the door. 384 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,080 Because when you when you come home, all you want to do is just 385 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,040 get your dinner and sit in front of Netflix and just put your 386 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,440 feet up and just switch off from the day. 387 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,840 But a lot of the times as well, like see if you've had like 388 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,600 quite a traumatic day that's been mentally challenging more 389 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,360 than physically, a run really helps with that and it helps you 390 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,960 clear your heads. Or it does for me anyway. 391 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960 Maybe not everyone. But yeah, so that's something 392 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,480 that I heard the other day and you could probably use this. 393 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,880 You're seeing patients that are in pain, suffering, and then you 394 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,600 go out for a run and you think I'm sore. 395 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,040 So well, no, you're not, not compared to somebody that you 396 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,360 saw. So that that makes your pain, I 397 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,320 don't know, disappear. It's it's irrelevant compared to 398 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,880 what some people you've seen. Yeah, definitely one of the best 399 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:54,240 runs that I had a few years ago, one of my friends, his wife was 400 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,960 diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer, which was really quite 401 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,880 advanced. And they've got, they had at the 402 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,760 same 2 very young children and it, it just kind of put a 403 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,080 perspective on life in your way. I'm going out for a run and I'm 404 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,440 just, and actually, not because of their pain or anything like 405 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,080 that, but because I could go out and run and just switch off, you 406 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,680 know, the news was so shocking for everybody that knew the 407 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,480 couple, you know, and they were, they're a lovely couple. 408 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,160 It was just like, you know, I sense, I know it sounds really 409 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,520 cheesy, but like a sense of gratitude of my body can do 410 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,680 this. Yeah. 411 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,560 But then when the when the pain hits and you know mentally and 412 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,960 things like that, it sometimes is hard to push through because 413 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,880 it does really hot like that. A a lot of the times the only 414 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,520 way to get through it is to practice it so you felt it so 415 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,000 the next time it it's easier maybe or not. 416 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,120 Well, that's it. And one of the things I did 417 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:04,200 worry about when I was doing the 50 KS, I'd spoken to Rachel 418 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,400 McPherson. I speak to her quite a lot about 419 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,160 Ultra. She's fairly new as well to the 420 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,040 scene, but absolutely smashing all of our events. 421 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,360 She's done like lately, 50 and bigger at like one of these 24 422 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,000 hour races. And I was like, Rachel, what's 423 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,600 it like? Like, see, when you get that 424 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,200 pain and your hips and your backside and your low back and 425 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,360 you're really struggling to move, like what worries me is 426 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 how bad does that get? And she says, well, actually, it 427 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,640 gets to a point it doesn't get worse, so you just keep moving. 428 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,440 And I learned that that is the case. 429 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,040 You just got to keep going. And it is mental rather than 430 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,880 physical at that point. I think it's Rachel that's she's 431 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,760 involved with the Wild Heart Runners. 432 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,160 Yeah. Yeah. 433 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,600 Have you taken part in any of them? 434 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,520 Karen and Debbie have both been previous guests, so shout out to 435 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,680 them. I've not. 436 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Yeah, I would absolutely love to. 437 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,120 Just when in fact, no, I tell a lie. 438 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:07,760 That is a really big lie. I went on the Pentland run, but 439 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,560 there was quite a lot of us, so it ended up being the natural 440 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,200 splitting into groups and what have you. 441 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,080 So it was Rachel that arranged the Pentland Skyline run. 442 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,080 I'm trying to think when it was or what to say. 443 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,120 It was June or something like that. 444 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:29,000 OK, right. Changing subject again, no 445 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,440 offence to Rachel. She's not you. 446 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:40,280 No, I can imagine that you said that your weight yo yoed. 447 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,040 Do you find that running helps with that? 448 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,120 Or is that is that a reason to run? 449 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,680 It's not a main reason. No, not anymore. 450 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,560 Because it's, it's funny because I wrote a post on Instagram the 451 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,880 other day about this, about I posted a picture of me from 15 452 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,120 years ago to very recently. And then the first picture, I 453 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,080 look unhealthy. You know, I don't even want to 454 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,160 say the word like fat or anything because everybody's 455 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,600 perception of fat is completely different. 456 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,160 But to me, I looked unhealthy. Yeah, if you're talking about 457 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,560 yourself, I think it's a fair point to if you've got a comment 458 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,720 about you, I think it's a fair thing to say. 459 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Yeah, so I looked a bit more unhealthy than what I did now. 460 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,880 And what I did mention in the post was ironically a few hours 461 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,280 to step on the scales then. And now I'm actually not much 462 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:40,080 later than what you know, between the two pictures. 463 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,840 Like I'm quite happy to say I said I was a little bit like 464 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,560 horrified. But then I thought actually 465 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,360 being daft here, like I've stepped on the scales and then 466 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,000 nearly 70 kilos, which no one believes me, but that's the way 467 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,040 I am. And everybody just says, oh, 468 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,120 well, you're building your leg strength and things like that. 469 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,520 And it's muscle because people say, oh, you certainly don't 470 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,480 look at. But as it's more just, I just 471 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,840 want to be healthy because after getting COVID week 6 into our 472 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,960 lockdowns, that gave me afraid because at that point during the 473 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,960 lockdowns in the pandemic for the UK, Boris was on the TV 474 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,800 telling us if you catch this, she'll die. 475 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,920 Yeah. Well, so getting it was really 476 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,760 quite fright and then shocked me and said right, I need to get 477 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,680 fitter here. I guess your your line of work 478 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,320 exposes you to more. That's a problem area. 479 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,560 I guess I'm I've I've never knowingly had COVID and I don't 480 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,320 particularly want it. No, well it kind of, I was 481 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,080 really fortunate it didn't actually affect me badly. 482 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120 I got it felt like a cold and I lost my taste and smell for 483 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,720 about 3 weeks, which was the most devastating effect because 484 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,800 when John brought me my morning coffee and it just didn't taste 485 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,080 of anything, it was quite upsetting. 486 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,200 So do you drink lots of coffee? Probably far too much. 487 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,520 That's a common theme in healthcare as well. 488 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,280 Do you when you run ultras, do you what they say? 489 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,600 Caffeine strategy? Do you drink coffee during the 490 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,680 run or I've never? Tried it yet? 491 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,800 I'm still very very much. As you know I'm still really new 492 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,600 to finding my feet in ultras so so far I've only been trying 493 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,200 active route and actual events. And then the longer I was 494 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,320 running the active route was starting to make me feel a 495 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,080 little bit sickly. So I had then had have two 500 496 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,400 mil flasks active route in one water and the other just to. 497 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,400 That was a good bit of advice that make it gave me and trying 498 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,320 real foods. But no, since the devil I've had 499 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,000 a chat with a couple of other ultra runners and people that 500 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,520 happened to coach and one of them said to me, well why would 501 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,080 you neglect your fueling when you're spending so much time 502 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320 away from your family? As you've said, you said you 503 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,200 feel mum guilt sometimes. You know you're spending all 504 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,840 this time try and get your fueling nailed and you'll do 505 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,080 better. So since then I've tried talking 506 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,680 tailwind gels. Yeah. 507 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:36,120 For, for me, nutrition is almost as important as training itself. 508 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,640 Yeah. You can't get, can't get your 509 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,040 nutrition right, then you're there's no point. 510 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:48,200 No, yeah, you're when you're talking about active fruit in 511 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,600 one and water in the other, too much sweet stuff, you get 512 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,920 flavour fatigue. So you don't you don't want to 513 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,840 drink it anymore. And if you're not drinking 514 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,880 again, that's a problem. And especially when somebody 515 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,440 said to me once, when did it get to nutrition and hydration? 516 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,400 It's food and water and why we're mixing them. 517 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,520 Why? Why are you drinking your 518 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,840 calories? Yeah, I think a lot of these 519 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:24,840 foods, foods, drinks, nutrition products like active fruit are 520 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,880 top UPS. I believe that you still need to 521 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,280 have real food as well. That's good advice definitely. 522 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,800 I think the problem I've been having is definitely not getting 523 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,800 enough calories in and mainly like carbs. 524 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,360 There's more carbs as well that I've not been taken enough of. 525 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,440 So when I discovered that the Tailwind has like 50 grams and 526 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,680 500 mils, I was actually that's really good. 527 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,320 So I'll maybe try and get that on. 528 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,320 But for sure, like you're saying, trying like real foods. 529 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,200 I mean, if you're doing, especially a long trail event, 530 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,320 if you're going up a hill in your walk, in my instance, when 531 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,760 I walk in, there's no excuse not to eat. 532 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,719 You're walking, walk and eat. It's not going to shake in your 533 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,159 stomach or make you feel sick or anything like that. 534 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,520 The, the other thing you've got to think about is if you're say 535 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,760 your race starts at 8:00 in the morning or did you have 536 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,880 breakfast beforehand? Probably. 537 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,800 But if you're still running at midday, are you having lunch? 538 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,639 Are you counting that in your calories? 539 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,400 So your body just needs the fuel just to to to allow you to live, 540 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,520 ignoring the running so. Yeah. 541 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:46,800 Yeah, I did a a food thing for. I was sweeping the Great Glen 542 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:51,840 and I basically ate as much as I would normally eat in a race, 543 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,239 but the food was whatever anybody left on the checkpoint. 544 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,280 I enjoyed that video was really good actually. 545 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,840 And that's one thing when see when you volunteer. 546 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,800 When I volunteered at the Fling, that was a massive learning 547 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,640 experience because I've got stationed at Bal Maha checkpoint 548 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,080 and I had never heard of anything like the scavenger 549 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,120 table and things like I was like, Oh well, people can't take 550 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,000 their draw if they don't take their stuff with them, they 551 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,440 leave stuff behind. They leave it on this table in 552 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,000 case other people convince that I'm like, it's amazing. 553 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,800 Well, as the the comments that I got were, oh, I can't believe 554 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,800 you're eating so much. So it's like, no, that's how 555 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,360 much you should be eating. Yes, it seemed like a lot, but 556 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,240 you should have been eating that much so. 557 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,800 I suppose The thing is as well, and not not to be like crass, 558 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,280 I'm probably going to make everybody laugh when I say this 559 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,600 because it's me. But one of the things that 560 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,880 actually used to give me the fear, not so much now, maybe a 561 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,240 wee bit still as see if I ate too much I would need to go to 562 00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,680 the toilet. Yeah. 563 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,760 Although I'm determined that this must be a common fear 564 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,280 amongst new runners. It is definitely a fear amongst 565 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,560 Rd. runners. I know that because they don't 566 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,120 want to pull a Radcliffe it, but in the trail circles it seems to 567 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,400 be celebrated in a bit of a rite of initiation if you don't do 568 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,160 it. Yeah, the question is not 569 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560 whether you do it or not, it's how did you wipe afterwards? 570 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:27,320 Exactly. So yeah, moving on. 571 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:35,840 You mentioned Instagram earlier, how we met was you just sent me 572 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,800 a message and I was, I'm quite happy to talk to people. 573 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,240 I don't get many messages. So if anybody wants to send it, 574 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:48,200 I'll probably reply to you, unless you're not a nice person. 575 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:54,080 I did reply to you so obviously. I don't know. 576 00:36:54,120 --> 00:37:00,600 It's relentless, though. No, you provided support. 577 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:08,040 I was actually doing a backyard, I think and you provided remote 578 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,880 support at the time and I was grateful for it. 579 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,200 It's keeps you entertained. I've got that advice from John 580 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,680 Cassidy, actually, from Young Hearts from three Send the 581 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,760 message. Worst case. 582 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,400 Sender. Worst case scenario is you get 583 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,680 ignored. Oh well, nothing to lose so. 584 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,280 Exactly. Or they just don't see it or 585 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,200 what have you. But this is one thing I have 586 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,520 found through Instagram, I've been finding a lot of I would, I 587 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,400 would class you as a front runner because you win things, 588 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,920 you podium things. Any front runner that I have 589 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,520 spoken to has been nothing but lovely. 590 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,800 If they have, if they've seen my messages, the pylon community, 591 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,680 they are absolutely second to none. 592 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,080 Like last year I went on a run with them at Boxing Day and 593 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,720 somebody had put me in touch and I'm like, I can't go on that. 594 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,560 That's a pylon run. They're all elite. 595 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,640 Absolutely no way. And I ended up getting convinced 596 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,120 into the route. I was like right, OK, I'll go 597 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,720 because I've got 16 K on my plan. 598 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,360 I'm like, I'm going to be really slow. 599 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,760 I'm so sorry. Just to the point, I actually 600 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,120 even downloaded their route onto my watch and just in case they 601 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,440 all win, which I was prepared for, I was like, because they're 602 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440 fast, you know, I will just go and do the route and I'll catch 603 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,680 these all at the end or something. 604 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,160 Not once did any of them leave me, like they stopped, regrouped 605 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,880 and let even let me take a breather. 606 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,960 And that's just what run is all about for me. 607 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,720 You know that inclusivity? Yeah, talking about inclusivity 608 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,400 and you mentioned you've got coach, Are you a member of 609 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,840 running club? I was around with Mount Vernon 610 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,360 runners for a long while, which I've not been to for quite a 611 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,760 long time because again, they are mainly based on roads. 612 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,160 But if I would say that I was like committed to a running 613 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,280 club, it would be Mount Vernon. But as I say, I've not been for 614 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,920 quite a while just because it's not fitted in with the training 615 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,280 plans. But again, they are all so 616 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,120 supportive. I'm still in touch with quite a 617 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,120 lot of them. And again, they have a mixture 618 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,440 of abilities. Week by week, I'm seeing the 619 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,640 Instagram posts. The group's growing, so you 620 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,160 know, it's grown so much. Yeah, it's just the running club 621 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,360 that I'm with, Newburgh Dunes on a Thursday night. 622 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,080 They have basically the the run that you just described where 623 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,160 people go out, everybody waits, nobody gets left behind. 624 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,920 It might be that you split into two groups and one group goes a 625 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680 bit faster and the other but nobody gets left on their own. 626 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,680 Yes, I, I think a lot of running clubs, if you're not doing that, 627 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,240 then you're not worth joining so. 628 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,960 No, absolutely not. And don't get me wrong, there 629 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,200 are running clubs out there. As you say, the they are elite 630 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,600 and that's just what they are. You know, they compete. 631 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,280 That's that's just the way they are. 632 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,920 They've got their place. And there's nothing wrong with 633 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,480 that at all. If you're joining a running club 634 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,960 for an elite runner then that's fine. 635 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,360 If you're joining it for the social aspect, then that's a 636 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,480 different story. Yeah. 637 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,320 So being supportive, have you, you said that you crude, well 638 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,880 crude, you supported a checkpoint and the fling, Have 639 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,480 you done any other races? Volunteered the Glasgow to 640 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,480 Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago and I went to the start lane 641 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,320 there and then they gave me the job of traffic March Marshall, 642 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,800 which I was so anxious about because it was at a weak 643 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,880 crossroads. And I'm like Oh my God, what if 644 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,160 I had the entire field up the wrong roads? 645 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,800 Which thankfully the front runners, they, they all knew 646 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,560 where they were going. But it's just to make sure no 647 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,040 one doesn't turn off. But once they'd all passed, I'd 648 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,760 relaxed a bit and then I was at checkpoint 3, which is, I can't 649 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,320 remember a dulator I think it's called. 650 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,440 But it's just like on the other side of Croy Hill along that 651 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,560 part of the canal. And it was a really nice 652 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,080 checkpoint actually. It was tiny, but their spreads 653 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,520 of ultra food was like a kids buffet. 654 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,800 It was fantastic. And was that the race putting on 655 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,080 the food for them? Yeah, yeah. 656 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,360 The food was all provided, which I've not actually seen at an 657 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,160 event before because any of the events that I've done that's 658 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,720 been drop bags. Yeah. 659 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,240 Which is fair enough. Majority of the races that I've 660 00:41:55,240 --> 00:42:01,480 done have been drop bags, which I I think I prefer because then 661 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,360 you know what you're getting. Yeah, definitely, for sure. 662 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,080 GB Ultras, I'm on the understanding that any event 663 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,560 they do, they will put that food on. 664 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,680 And the food went fast. The potatoes and cheese went 665 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,960 fast. We ran out of those first. 666 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,520 I guess that's a reason to get to the checkpoint quicker, 667 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,160 because then you get the the choice. 668 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,160 Absolutely. If you're if you're the last 669 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,080 ones in, there might not be so much to choose from, you just 670 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,160 get what's left. Yeah, exactly. 671 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,800 Unfortunately that was the case. But you know, the people that 672 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,200 that come in the latter stages weren't any disheartened as you 673 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,000 say. I think a lot of people would 674 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,400 have thought like myself, You're you're not even expecting 675 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,520 anything apart from water at a checkpoint a lot of the time. 676 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,440 So you're kind of like that. But for Glasgow to Edinburgh, 677 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,880 I'm not sure whether they had drop bags, allowances or 678 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,480 anything like that. I would imagine for a 57 mile 679 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,840 race you probably could because at the Falkirk Wheel, which is 680 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,640 about halfway, there was a lot of supporters there. 681 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,640 At our checkpoint there was no support crews allowed because it 682 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,600 was down a country Rd. and there was hardly any parking even for 683 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,040 us. You know, we all managed to get 684 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,920 in as the volunteers, but there was not a lot of space. 685 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,600 So I could see why there was no support crews there. 686 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:27,640 Yeah, well, contrast that to one of Mark Cobain's events where 687 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,240 you're running from the north of Wales to the South of Wales, 688 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:37,360 Anglesey to Cardiff, and the checkpoints are 25 miles apart 689 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,400 every. So on the 25 mile and the 75 690 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,760 mile you get water and that's it, You get nothing else. 691 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:53,160 On the 50 mile and the 100 mile, you get access to your own bag. 692 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,360 He might provide you with a Pot Noodle, a cup of tea or 693 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,400 something like that, but he might not. 694 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,240 You don't know. Is it Mark Cobain that does the 695 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,800 tunnel and this is 100 miles round the track with no 696 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,960 headphones and no support? Yes, that as a track, is it 697 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,640 track 25 or something like that? Because he does it on the the 698 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,200 day that the clocks change so that you get, it's not 24 hour 699 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,280 race, it's a 25 hour race because you gain an hour because 700 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,760 the clocks have changed during the race. 701 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,720 Yeah. So it's generous. 702 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,160 It's generous. You get an extra hour. 703 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,880 Well, you're getting your money's worth, aren't you? 704 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:39,720 Yeah, but it's also 100 mile race, so if you're doing it in 705 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,400 13, I don't know what the the record is for 100 mile on the 706 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,800 track, but you might be finished before you get the extra hour 707 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:53,080 anyway, so there you go. I don't know how I would get on 708 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,840 having no support at all. Yeah, it's a bit Jarred and 709 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:02,600 isn't. That you haven't been running 710 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:08,320 that long in the grand scheme of things, but have you had any 711 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,440 injuries during that time? Thankfully not Touch Woods. 712 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,560 I've seen that on the question set. 713 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,040 I did think actually I've been really, really lucky because 714 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,080 whenever I felt a niggle or anything like that, one thing 715 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,360 I'm really quite diligent on is getting on top of it straight 716 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,120 away. So I do actually think I'm quite 717 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,840 not immediately post run, but I'm quite good for stretching. 718 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,960 Last week I'd restarted strength training and the DOMS were 719 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,600 unreal. So I did try and go on the foam 720 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,520 roller. John, my husband is absolutely 721 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,600 amazing at like kind of rubbing out the wee niggles, which you 722 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,240 know, how does I can't thank him enough for that. 723 00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,280 Like he's he just puts up with so much and I'll just say, oh, 724 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,560 I've got a bit of this bit is really sore on my leg. 725 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,440 I don't know if he gets a lot of enjoyment out of it though, when 726 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,840 I'm how that's sore. Oh, is it? 727 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,440 I'll just do it a bit harder then. 728 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,760 Yeah, but no, I'm really, really lucky that way. 729 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,000 I don't even know if it's because I do do the stretching 730 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,760 and just try and do things like that that's kind of kept me at 731 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:26,200 Bay, or if I'm just trying not to push myself too hard, if that 732 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,480 makes sense. Yeah. 733 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,840 So you said you do stretching and strength work. 734 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,000 What do you do for strength work? 735 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,960 I'll do, at the minute I'm doing weights in the house but I'm 736 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,960 hopefully in the very near future looking to join the gym 737 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,640 so nickel provide me with a strength programme twice a week 738 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,040 at the minute. After this interview, it may be 739 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,800 more, but the two strength sessions that she gives me, 740 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,480 one's like half an hour and the other one's about 45 minutes. 741 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,440 And it's just your usual like, you know, press UPS, bicep 742 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,360 cuddles, you know, squats, leg strength exercises pretty much, 743 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,280 which is so, so important. And I think runners, a lot of 744 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,160 runners are guilty of not doing it, myself included. 745 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,240 And I think that prevents you from injury as well. 746 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:28,000 Yeah, definitely do you. You haven't got injured, but how 747 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,960 do you recover after a long run? You're saying you got DOMS after 748 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,760 weightlifting? How? 749 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,880 How do you get over that? Keep moving because the longer 750 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,440 you sit and then you have to get up, that's that's the worst. 751 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,760 So just kind of keep moving about, keep walking. 752 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,720 Dom's is just one of those things that happens, you know? 753 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,600 And Dom's have only happened for me because I've not done enough 754 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,840 strength work, ironically. So I'm hoping this week when I'm 755 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,040 on it, it will not be quite as bad. 756 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:03,600 Yeah, but active, Yeah, Active recovery, I fully support that. 757 00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:10,920 I do the same thing. Terms of kit shoes, What kind of 758 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,000 shoes do you wear? I've got Nate Pegasus trail 759 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,760 threes that was a fairly decent purchase. 760 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,000 They are really comforted on and you know they're quite cushions 761 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,960 for my trail events. I've been running in innovate 762 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,000 trail fly ultra GS which I'll ask cushioned but they work for 763 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,960 my feet so I'm kind of of the opinion don't change anything on 764 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,520 race day. The only reason I hadn't used 765 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,360 the Nikes is because when I initially got them I was getting 766 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,680 a bit of cramp in my foot which gave me a bit of the fear and I 767 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,320 thought right, if that happens early doors and you're in a long 768 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,640 event, you just can't be having that. 769 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,720 And then for the roads, I've got Nate Vomeros Fifteens, they seem 770 00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:58,480 to work really well for me. And then I've got alpha fly and 771 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,560 vapour flies which are real. I bought them for on an absolute 772 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,240 steal at the outlet. My alpha flies I managed to get 773 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:10,080 for about 63 lbs because they were the last size which was 774 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,480 main on the back wall and then I had a student discount on top of 775 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,520 it so you get. Your blue card discount as well. 776 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,920 Yeah, that was it. Was that or the student 777 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,560 discount, because I was back at uni at that point and they I 778 00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,040 don't, I didn't quite believe the hype. 779 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,360 And somebody said to me, oh, they're placebo effects, carbon 780 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,880 plates, because obviously I was still new. 781 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,560 I was like, well, you know what? See, if it's placebo, it works 782 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,720 for me because I'm really bad. It it doesn't matter if 783 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,000 something is a political as long as it works. 784 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,160 I find them a lot of fun to run in and to be honest, I've 785 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,560 actually used, I've been starting to use those for 786 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,560 training if I'm on the road as well. 787 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:54,960 Like if I just, I'll actually use them if I'm really not in 788 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,200 the mood to go out. That will be my treat to myself 789 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,880 because at the moment I don't see me partaking in any more Rd. 790 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,880 events in the immediate future. So why? 791 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,520 Why leave them sitting in a box? I'm not. 792 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:14,040 I'm not a podium or front runner or anything like that. 793 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,560 So if they make you feel better, why not there? 794 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,200 There are pages online. I've not done it myself but 795 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,840 people get them resold with Vibram soles so they're grippier 796 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,840 so you can have carbon on trails. 797 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,760 Ah, look into that. Whether it's worth it or not, I 798 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,880 don't know. I wanted to have a look at the 799 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,320 Ultrafly Nike ones that they hadn't long brought out, and I'm 800 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,520 like, oh, is that safe? Kind of, you know, probably not 801 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,760 for me because you're asking about injury. 802 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,520 That's probably when I would get injured in Dallas on the trails 803 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,240 and go over and do something spectacular. 804 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,480 Well, for me, whenever I get I can feel something happening, 805 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,520 it's usually cushioning in my shoes are going. 806 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,000 And for carbon shoes, it's not the carbon plate that goes 807 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,200 because breaking carbon in that direction is. 808 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,280 You're not going to do that with your feet. 809 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,520 Yeah. It's the cushioning around it, 810 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,240 so. What's the goal tissue? 811 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,400 At the moment, ultra temp for I've been through, I've run long 812 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,960 enough that I've been through lots of different ones, but I'm 813 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,240 now on pair number six. And will you change those during 814 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,200 your backyard ultra if you get to a certain time? 815 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,080 Will you do a shoe rotation? I've got a race coming up this 816 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,040 weekend and I'm taking 4 pairs of shoes with me. 817 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,000 Yeah, I won't change them on schedule. 818 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,200 I'll change them when I feel I need to. 819 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,440 Yeah. One pair is half a size bigger 820 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,680 than the other ones. I've never worn them, but 821 00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,520 they're exactly the same shoe as ones I have worn so I'm not. 822 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,560 Don't try anything new on Rusty, but they're not new because I've 823 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,680 tried them before. And will you change your socks 824 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,360 or is it just one of these? You just don't touch your feet 825 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,960 if they feel fine. I'm. 826 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,240 I think I've got 8 pairs of socks with me, yeah. 827 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,640 So if I if I feel that I need to, I'll change them. 828 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,440 Yeah. I I remember running W Helen way 829 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,520 once and I got to was it Glencoe? 830 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,800 Yeah, about Glencoe and I swapped my socks because I felt 831 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:42,520 I needed to, but the act of and I put the same shoes back on 832 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:48,000 again, but my my feet like almost expanded as I opened the 833 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,800 shoe and I was in so much pain. Was it pain? 834 00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,720 As we said earlier, it was it was worse having changed my 835 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,720 shoe. So I wish I'd never had taken 836 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:01,720 them off. Yeah. 837 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,360 You're saying do I rotate them during a backyard ultra? 838 00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,240 Well, maybe if I feel I need to, but key key thing for me is have 839 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,160 the option there. Yeah, definitely. 840 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,200 That answers the shoe question, but what about other kit? 841 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,480 Do you have anything like a particular jacket or anything 842 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,320 like that? You will never see me running 843 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,160 without a buff. I absolutely love my buff so I 844 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,800 couldn't tell you how many I've got now. 845 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,480 I've just seemed to be collecting them but they're so 846 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,680 they're just so multi purpose as you say. 847 00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:44,040 Thankfully I've not had to wait my backside with anyone. 848 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,320 I've not had to Chuck any out but funnily enough like one of 849 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,040 my incentives to get into Kenlock. 850 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,800 Leaving on the devil day when I wasn't feeling great at the 851 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,480 start, I'd actually put my two young halts from free bus in my 852 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,440 drop bag. No, you can't get these ones 853 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,160 anymore. So I was like right, I need to 854 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,920 get a lock leaving to get my boss back. 855 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,480 But jacket? Like I've actually started 856 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:16,640 wearing Flancy shorts and Scots and the pockets in them are 857 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,320 absolutely phenomenal. Like you don't have to wear a 858 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,520 flip belt or anything because the pockets at the side carry a 859 00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,520 phone, gels, keys, anything that you would think to take out with 860 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,320 you. So when I do get a bit more 861 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,080 money, eventually it's on my wish list to get more like 862 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,360 leggings and things like that from Flancy. 863 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,120 OK. It's not brand that I've heard 864 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,720 of. If you're talking about Scorch, 865 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,280 probably why. Oh they do it all different and 866 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,440 the designs are wacky as well. Like my go to a design before 867 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,680 that was techie Boo but I find techie Boo leggings really 868 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,040 really thin. So they're they're decent for 869 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,960 summer, but for winter your legs would freeze in them. 870 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,760 Yeah, I I never wear leggings. I would wear shorts. 871 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,240 Doesn't matter with temperature. So there you go. 872 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:12,520 I mean, it's fun actually. Until the Flancy shots, I was 873 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,600 really paranoid about my legs. That's just kind of stemmed from 874 00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:21,000 being a teenager and having bigger musclier legs kind of 875 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,880 thing. But just recently I've kind of 876 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,120 discovered no one actually cares about how you look. 877 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,560 Everyone's kind of, you know, they're quite insulin. 878 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,520 I don't mean in a selfish way, but no one's actually looking 879 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,040 and going apart from your shoes, people, your shoes, but no one's 880 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,240 actually looking at, you know, the whole thing and going, oh, 881 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,160 look at, look at state of them. You know, I've kind of started 882 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,320 to get away from that. So I've actually like like to 883 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,320 wear more shorts in the future. Makes that wedding them for 884 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,720 winter like yourself and move on from leggings. 885 00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,280 Right. Moving back to the food 886 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:06,000 questions, do you you say you use active route? 887 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,000 Do you use gels? I've tried, I've started to try 888 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,120 torque gels because I've only just recently discovered they've 889 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,480 got more calves than other gels. I've been gifted from one of my 890 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,800 friends an active root gel which are still to try but that's got 891 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,760 30 grams of calves in it as well. 892 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,120 So anything like that. The only thing with the torque 893 00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,960 gels as they are insanely sweet. I've got a sweet tooth and even 894 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,480 I find it's like getting sea the ice cream toppings that you get 895 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,520 the as a treat, they're called or something. 896 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,920 And it's the sauce for me, it's getting a bottle of exactly the 897 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,240 syrup. It's like getting a bottle of 898 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,920 that and just going like that down your mouth. 899 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,440 Is that sweet? But I can tolerate that. 900 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,520 Usually if I'm having gels, it's usually torque because they're, 901 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,760 as you say, they've got a decent amount of carbs. 902 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,880 They're compared to most gels, they're probably the cheaper 903 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,320 ones out of for, for the amount of carbs that you get anyway. 904 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,840 So yeah, there's some of their flavours. 905 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,240 There's like rhubarb and custard and stuff like that, which the 906 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,600 the worst gel that I've ever had was in that video that we were 907 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,240 talking about earlier was pink grapefruit flavoured. 908 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:26,800 I honestly stay away from it. I can't believe it. 909 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,840 No pink grapefruit, sis. So. 910 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,640 I can't believe that somebody put that in their drop bag. 911 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,240 Well, I can't believe that they left it behind because it was 912 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,640 absolutely disgusting. I've actually been like really 913 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,200 tempted to try molten gels but purposefully having on the basis 914 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:51,000 of their absolutely extortionate and I'm not jogging and getting 915 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,040 sponsored by them. Yeah, well, that's another 916 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,480 reason for helping out with the race, as you said, the scavenger 917 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:05,000 table as one of the very few sort of benefits of being a 918 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,760 Marshall. Yeah, you get to get back to the 919 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,880 community and stuff like that, but you also get to rummage in 920 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,160 the scavenger table. Yeah. 921 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,000 Robbie Dunlop actually left them all in jail, which I've still 922 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,040 got. So Robbie, if you're watching 923 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,960 this, if you want your jail back, I've genuinely been too 924 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,400 scared to try it in case I really like it. 925 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,400 Yeah, because yeah, if you like it, you have to buy it. 926 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,200 Buy more. Well, that's it. 927 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,280 Yeah, you just have to chum Robbie up. 928 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,840 And and if anyone like from Lawton is watching this, then me 929 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,600 or you would love a sponsorship like. 930 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:42,280 Yeah. Oh, definitely right. 931 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:48,560 When, when you're when you're out doing a run and you're with 932 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,840 a group that's left you behind and it's not the group that you 933 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,040 mentioned earlier. What do you think about? 934 00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:02,600 Have I still got my car keys? Genuinely, I'll occasionally I 935 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,640 will go like that on my pack and go it's still there. 936 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,480 You're not the only one. No. 937 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,800 We all do it. It's it's like that sort of you 938 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,800 walk across the bridge and if you're like dropping your car 939 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,720 keys off the side, why would you even do that? 940 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,960 No, it's still there. It's still there. 941 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,640 It's fine. The feed isn't it because if you 942 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,480 get so far then you have to go back and go and try and find 943 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,800 them and it's just the whole right I've still got everything 944 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,200 that's fine we. We were out in a club run once 945 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,480 and it was only probably 3 miles out, three miles back. 946 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,920 Actually it wasn't even that it we we were doing intervals on 947 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,440 and it was like one mile intervals. 948 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,200 So you run out and back and some it was, it was dark, but there 949 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,680 was St. lights. And then somebody lost their 950 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,160 khaki, but they lost it on the path. 951 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,800 No, they never found it. Oh, they never found. 952 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,000 It I had a head torch in my car. I went and got it and went up 953 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,880 and down the trail. We couldn't find it. 954 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,080 The only person I know that's managed to lose something, 955 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,320 unfortunately get it back was Kayleigh Webster. 956 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,520 When she done, I think it was a wrecky and I think it was 957 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,960 organised by the West Highland Way group and she was going from 958 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,320 Balmaha to however far up and then they were going back and 959 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,880 she dropped her phone and I've no idea like how you can because 960 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,000 the phones nowadays are huge. Thankfully somebody had handed 961 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,400 it in to the coffee shop and she managed to get it back. 962 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,320 That's what we were all saying. You were really lucky. 963 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,360 Yeah, yeah. I remember coming over, we were 964 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,200 doing a run on the West Island Way. 965 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:53,160 I was coming over Conic Hill and I was at the back of the pack 966 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:59,280 and came over and there was a an OMM waterproof jacket. 967 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,520 They're not cheap. Somebody's dropped this, so 968 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,880 either I've gained or I'll take it down at the bottom and I'll 969 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,480 leave it at the shop. Got down the bottom. 970 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,800 It was one of my mates had dropped it. 971 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,120 So he was just really lucky he had dropped his jacket while he 972 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,120 wasn't wearing it because it was absolutely freezing. 973 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,560 But yeah, his very expensive jacket, he managed to get it 974 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,800 back. But I think most people like on 975 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,200 the trails, like anything like that, if they drop it, most 976 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,560 people would hand it in. Yeah, yeah. 977 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,840 If there's somewhere to hand it in to, yeah, that's the problem. 978 01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,240 It's like, do you just leave it on the trail and hope that 979 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,920 somebody else gets it? Yeah. 980 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,120 Yeah. So you don't know, right? 981 01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,840 Having done your was it 3 ultras? 982 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,800 Your marathon? Shorter races than that? 983 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,840 What's your preferred distance? Still try to work that out at 984 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,440 the minute, but I think I'm enjoying the 50K distance just 985 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:03,080 now because my theory behind that is it's a bit longer than a 986 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,640 marathon and you don't, well, I've personally not felt the 987 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,720 pressure of speeds. You know, like when when you do 988 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,600 a road marathon, any, anybody in the general population will say, 989 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:20,040 oh, what time did you do it at? And that'll be what is if you go 990 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,960 to somewhere you say, oh, around 31 miles or around 50K, then 991 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,200 we're like, Oh my God, that's insane. 992 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,280 Or that's amazing. Like they won't ask you about 993 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,520 times because I do get a little bit paranoid that I'm one of the 994 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,040 slower runners. So it is about. 995 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,520 But yeah, I am enjoying. How did you get on with your 996 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:50,440 marathon time during your 50K? Well it's funny because 997 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,440 Edinburgh is always my benchmark and so far during the ultras 998 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,360 I've managed to beat my Edinburgh time. 999 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,360 Yeah. The devil. 1000 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,160 I'm not entirely sure how I how I got on with the Devil. 1001 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,040 I don't think I beat it then, In fact I'm fairly certain I 1002 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:11,720 wouldn't have beat it then. But during Run the Blades and 1003 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,720 Join Me Away, I beat my Edinburgh. 1004 01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:22,000 My marathon PB for distance is during the D33 which is 1005 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,240 completely flat and so if you're wanting a almost a road 1006 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:33,640 marathon, Rd. ultra even. But it's not it's trails slash 1007 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,280 some of it's tarmac, then day 33. 1008 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:42,400 And what was your time for that? Through marathon distance and 1009 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,000 2:52. I think that's. 1010 01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,680 Amazing. See, I'm just kind of like, Oh 1011 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,960 my goodness, that wow, that's insane. 1012 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,040 You know, like, see when I hear like some people's times, like 1013 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,680 it's this is what I love about running, how diverse it is and 1014 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:00,760 how everybody can just have a chat about it. 1015 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,760 Like I would eventually in the future like to go for some 5 on 1016 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,800 a marathon, which I'm sure I'll get in the future, but it's not 1017 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,280 at the top of my priority list at the minute. 1018 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,960 I've got certain events that I'll just be happy to complete. 1019 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,800 Yeah. And just enjoy it or try and 1020 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,360 enjoy it. Enjoying it's a bonus thing is 1021 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:28,000 the main goal. My my official marathon time is 1022 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,120 Loch Ness and I think that's three O 9. 1023 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:39,040 So that's what, almost half an hour or 2020 minutes faster? 1024 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,840 Is that not more hilly though than D33? 1025 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,600 Loch Ness is probably net downhill. 1026 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,200 Right. So D33 is net zero because it's 1027 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,920 out and back. So anything that you go up, you 1028 01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,280 have to go down again. Yeah, Glasgow to Edinburgh, I've 1029 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,440 held this absolutely palm flat and just with the canal two, 1030 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:03,880 you're right. So I've held that's more 1031 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,200 psychological and it's on Talmark the whole way. 1032 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,960 So it's quite a tough course that way. 1033 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,600 Not for elevation, because it's flat as, but you know you're 1034 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,720 doing all that distance flat. Yeah. 1035 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,960 All right. Moving on to the next question, 1036 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,880 you said you got anxious about certain things. 1037 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,760 Do you get nervous before racist? 1038 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,960 Before the devil, my anxiety was that bad. 1039 01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,880 I wasn't answering any more races ever again because as much 1040 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,360 as well as the training had gone and I've done the Glencoe to 1041 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,240 Fort William Reiki and I've done really well for myself and that 1042 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,160 and that gave me a massive confidence boost in the sense of 1043 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,040 right, I'm I'm going to finish this. 1044 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,400 The week leading up to it, I had hardly ate a thing, which, as 1045 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,440 you know yourself on nutrition is terrible. 1046 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,880 Like my one of my really good pals, David, he took me up like 1047 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,640 he actually took a lot of pressure off by sorting out race 1048 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,280 logistics for getting there. And poor baby. 1049 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,200 When we got up there, I'd actually taken a bag with me 1050 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,800 just in case I was sick and we pulled up the tundrum and I 1051 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,920 started being sick and there was nothing there because I hadn't 1052 01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,120 ate anything. It was just sheer nerves. 1053 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,320 And I got to this like was kind of trying to speak to everyone 1054 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,600 and everyone's like, you look terrified. 1055 01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:35,440 I'm like, I'm but like, why? Because it's like my dream race 1056 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,680 and I've never done this distance before. 1057 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,480 Like this is, it's kind of a bit like I couldn't believe I was 1058 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:47,320 doing that. But like for the nerves and the 1059 01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,080 anxiety and the lead up to that, I always like, can I tell myself 1060 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,640 I should never have finished that just on fuelling basis? 1061 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,440 I can't. I still can't believe to this 1062 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,480 day how I managed. I genuinely don't. 1063 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,720 But I do get nervous before events and even social runs. 1064 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,320 Like as chatty as I can be as you're finding out. 1065 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:12,320 And like before social runs, I get really nervous because I'm 1066 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,280 like, I'm going to be the slowest, I'm going to hold 1067 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:19,440 everyone back and I don't know. And I will be sick at times. 1068 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,240 I don't know if that's just all for excitement as well. 1069 01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,600 Well, something for you to think about, and this might be total 1070 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:33,240 rubbish, but when you're nervous, what are your symptoms? 1071 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:41,160 Sickness, usually. And so butterflies in the 1072 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,480 stomach, I would say. So. 1073 01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:48,680 Raised heart rate, Yeah, so clammy. 1074 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,840 And if you're excited, what your symptoms? 1075 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,760 They're very similar. They are exactly the same, and 1076 01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,600 the reason for it is because the chemical reaction in your brain 1077 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,800 for nerves and excitement are exactly the same. 1078 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,240 So the next time you're feeling nervous, tell yourself you're 1079 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,360 not nervous, you're excited. Yeah. 1080 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,480 So apparently that's a trick for public speaking. 1081 01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,399 You're you're not nervous about something, you're excited about 1082 01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:20,960 it. And that's how you get over it. 1083 01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:25,240 Yeah, I think the devil because the build up was so great and it 1084 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,279 was a race that I was really, really, really keen to do and 1085 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,359 finish because the course, You can't lie is stunning. 1086 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,640 Even in the rain the course is lovely. 1087 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:39,560 It was just, it was an amazing experience and I would love to 1088 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,160 go back and do it. I I feel I could do it a lot 1089 01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,279 better if I'm honest, if I just relaxed a lot more. 1090 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:54,160 So what? What race would make you most 1091 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,479 nervous? What is your dream race? 1092 01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:00,240 Dream race. I've got quite a list of them 1093 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,359 being you, which is I suppose. I mean, I'm enjoying this kind 1094 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:09,000 of the stage in the running because I've had quite a few 1095 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,359 seasoned runners, you know, like yourself and other people that 1096 01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,760 have done quite a lot and it's quite lovely being new to all of 1097 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,520 this. So next year I've signed up for 1098 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,600 the Fling. That's, I suppose you could call 1099 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,160 that a dream race and thinking, oh, if I do the Fling, because 1100 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,520 the long term plan was if I do the devil, I'll do the Fling the 1101 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,680 next year and then hope and keep everything crossed. 1102 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,640 I'll do the West Highland way the year after if I get through 1103 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,000 the ballot. Yeah. 1104 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,080 But obviously you can't have that as a fixed plan because if 1105 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,200 you don't get through the ballot, then what you're going 1106 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,319 to do? There are other races. 1107 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,840 Greg. Glenn, you're you're going to 1108 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,120 struggle not to get into that if you call. 1109 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:57,320 I don't know what the qualification is, but if if you 1110 01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,280 can't get through the ballot on the West Highland way, Great 1111 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,400 Glen is there and I really recommend it. 1112 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:08,760 Yeah, even the Great Glen Short course isn't short. 40 miles is 1113 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,560 not a marathon, is not a short race. 1114 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,400 Did you sweep the whole race for that last one? 1115 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,680 I've swept the short course twice. 1116 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,640 I've run the long 1/4 times. Yeah. 1117 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:30,800 So leading on from that, what is next? 1118 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:36,560 Is it the fling? Fling's the a race to close the 1119 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,840 euro. I'm hoping and keeping 1120 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,880 everything crossed, I'll have one more ultra under my belt 1121 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:47,080 which is John Your way Nocturnal, which is 5K loops in 1122 01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,840 the dark. And I'm preparing myself 1123 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,960 mentally by saying in the rain as well, just in case. 1124 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:58,000 If it doesn't rain it's a bonus, but it's November so anything 1125 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,760 can happen. But again, that's a first for 1126 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,920 me. I've not done a loop race 1127 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,720 before, and I've not done a race in the dark either, so that's 1128 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,640 exciting. Do you run with a head torch? 1129 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,240 I've started running with a head torch when I've been going out 1130 01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,520 with Epic Trails crew. I've been out with them twice 1131 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,160 since we've started wearing head torches. 1132 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,880 I'm getting used to it now. What what type of head torch you 1133 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,640 got? I've borrowed a lead lenser. 1134 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,880 It's John's work torch, but I don't actually know if I should 1135 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:37,320 actually say in case any of his work sees this, but I'll I'll be 1136 01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,800 getting a lead lenser of myself of my own. 1137 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,640 I put a story out to ask people's advice on what they 1138 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,360 would recommend and the recommendations that I got 1139 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:52,560 through was Phoenix. That was really popular and lead 1140 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,640 lenser was another one and then Petzel as well. 1141 01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,480 I just thought every old trail runners wore Petzel head torches 1142 01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:01,000 and it turns out that's not the case. 1143 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,040 The Phoenix gets a really good name as well. 1144 01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:08,640 Yeah, they lead lenser or LED lenser or however you pronounce 1145 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:09,720 it. I don't actually know. 1146 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,000 I've got four of them. Right. 1147 01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:17,240 So it's a good watch. Do you know which model is? 1148 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,280 I don't unfortunately, I just know it makes the trail really 1149 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,880 bright in front of. Me, they they do loads. 1150 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,680 I've got three of the seven point twos which got like a 1151 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:36,560 square pack at the back and I've recently bought the H10 which 1152 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,960 has got a long battery at the back. 1153 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,480 It's exactly the same torch, it's just got a different 1154 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:41,720 battery. Yeah. 1155 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,680 But yeah, I'd thoroughly recommend them. 1156 01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:48,280 As, as you say, as long as it works and it's, you know, safe, 1157 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,440 I've been told to go with the lumens. 1158 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:55,840 How many lumens has it got? Is it lumens? 1159 01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:01,320 Most, most things do count in lumens, but you got to watch out 1160 01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:05,680 for lumens because that I think it's lumens, yeah. 1161 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:11,480 Is it lumens or lux? One of them is how bright it is 1162 01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:16,200 on a single point and that's the measurement that they all use 1163 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:21,200 because they can do a higher number and apparently that's not 1164 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,240 actually what you want. You want the other one. 1165 01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:27,160 It's how much light over a spread distance because you 1166 01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,200 won't be able to see the sides as well as straight in front of 1167 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:35,800 you on a single pinpoint. Use it. 1168 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,520 You've got the advantage of you're borrowing some of these 1169 01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,840 and you like it. Yeah. 1170 01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,440 Go with it if you like it. Yeah, I'm really fortunate that 1171 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,960 that was the brand because I've never again, like I'm still 1172 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,160 learning so many new things, like I've never heard of this 1173 01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,520 until people. It was actually Mel Sykes that 1174 01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,560 recommended LED LED lenser to me. 1175 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,720 I was like, oh, wow, that must be really good because Mel's a 1176 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,200 dead good runner. So I just get I go off the 1177 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,240 recommendations of as many people as I can. 1178 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,880 And then but as I said, the a lot came back to me with this 1179 01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,680 Fen. I think it's a phoenix. 1180 01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,120 In fact, I don't even know, but there was a certain model that 1181 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:24,120 everybody had the same one of. So that seems to be decent. 1182 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,280 But as you say, I'm just going to go with what I know. 1183 01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,800 Yeah. The advantage for me, there's 1184 01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,680 two advantages for the lensers is the Sevens. 1185 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:40,000 You can put normal AAA batteries in it as well as well as the 1186 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,360 rechargeable ones. And also they tend to be a lot 1187 01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,800 cheaper than the other ones. Yeah. 1188 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:53,200 And seven-year guarantee as well, which I have used after 1189 01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,680 like six years and no questions asked. 1190 01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,360 Customer smart. I thoroughly recommend that 1191 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:00,960 company. Well, that's good. 1192 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,280 That's good to know. Yeah, right. 1193 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:10,680 Leading on last question, If you had a dream person to run with, 1194 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,960 dead or alive, it's up to you, fictional or non fictional, who 1195 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,440 would it be? I think it would be a toss up 1196 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:26,040 between either Courtney Dewalter or Sally McRae just because 1197 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,480 they're both amazing athletes in their own right and just for 1198 01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:34,480 different reasons. Like Courtney doing 3100 mailers 1199 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,720 in one season as insane. Probably Jasmine Paris is on 1200 01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,520 that list as well. Just completing the Barclay, you 1201 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:47,640 know, such inspiring women and just to be able to ask them like 1202 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,320 so many questions. Sally McRae with all her 1203 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:55,200 strength work and inspiring others, and you know, she's done 1204 01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,200 a 200 mile as I mean, it still actually blows my mind that 1205 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,800 people do 200 mile events. I can't get my head quite round 1206 01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,600 that. For many people doing the devil, 1207 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:07,960 they couldn't get their mind round of that. 1208 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,960 So it's it's relative. I still can't get my mind 1209 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,680 actually Spooks me the thought of 53 miles next September, but 1210 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,480 I'm actually quite glad he's moved the dates for a bit longer 1211 01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:24,560 of a training periods. But yeah, definitely Courtney 1212 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,520 Dewalter. I would say of anyone she just 1213 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:34,120 looks just dead nice. Just really easy, always a just 1214 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:42,680 really laid back. And to finish off, you told me 1215 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,360 the answer to the question earlier. 1216 01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,120 What was your daughter's? Who would she say that she would 1217 01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,360 run with? Who would I say? 1218 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,880 That your daughter would. Oh, and yeah, she didn't quite 1219 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,040 understand the question. She's like, what do you mean, 1220 01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,280 dead or alive? And I'm like, no, it's like a 1221 01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,520 fictional thing, darling. She's only sick. 1222 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,880 So I was like, so who would you run with? 1223 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,040 The Queen. Fair enough, I said. 1224 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,280 Why the Queen? She's like, just because she's a 1225 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,160 queen. Is it? 1226 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,760 It's as good a reason as anything else. 1227 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:22,760 Exactly. So we'll wrap it up there and 1228 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,120 thank you for joining me tonight. 1229 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:34,560 I've got a race coming up this weekend if anybody's interested. 1230 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:44,160 It is the Backyard World Team Satellite Championship where the 1231 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:49,480 UK team races in Suffolk and there are 60 plus countries 1232 01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:51,760 throughout the world all race at home. 1233 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:53,240 We're all racing against each other. 1234 01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:02,480 So that's what I'll be up to. And yeah, so thank you for, and 1235 01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:06,320 if anybody wants to drop me a message, feel free provide 1236 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,480 support just like Nikki did. That's how I that's how we met. 1237 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,960 So thank you and thank you for doing the podcast. 1238 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,000 Thanks for having me and good luck for the weekend. 1239 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,480 You'll smash it. Thank you very much. 1240 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,440 Bye bye. Bye.