1 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:26,120 Hello and welcome to the next episode of Run Till You're Done. 2 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Tonight's guest as he's held the record and pass for being 3 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,160 Scottish Half marathon champion. So it's safe to say the guy's 4 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:40,840 pretty rapid and he has also won Inverclyde Sports Personality of 5 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,040 the Year. Thank you for coming on, John 6 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,360 Bell. You know, thanks for having me. 7 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,920 The first question that we like to ask all of our guests is how 8 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,760 did you get into running? It's a strange. 9 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,840 When I started, obviously quite late, probably kind of early in 10 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,760 mid 20s was when I started. I've done a little bit in school 11 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,360 and things just through kind of the normal stuff you do through 12 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,080 PE and etcetera and cross country level. 13 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,760 Then I never ran for maybe a decade or so. 14 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Then actually I'd done a marathon for Help for Heroes 15 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,960 when I had left the military, and through that a few friends I 16 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,280 worked with heard about it. Then they started getting me to 17 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,440 run home with them from work, and then I kind of started doing 18 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,360 the part run. Then it just kind of started 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,160 from there. The spiral out of control. 20 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,440 As it does with most of us. You say you were in the 21 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,440 military. Did you do any exercise? 22 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,680 Obviously in the military you would have been doing that, but 23 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,240 you do any running? Yeah, yeah. 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,800 So it's phase one for me. I was 16 and then at Winchester, 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,120 so we did six months soldier training. 26 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,440 So there are a lot of fizz there and you're doing sometimes the 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,040 first sessions are there. And through that I've done quite 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,640 well. I was the first Soldier. 29 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,320 I get that award that they passed out, played in front of 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,840 about 3000 parents and a few other things for winning kind of 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,920 March and shoot tournaments and stuff. 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,920 So always been probably naturally fixed. 33 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,680 Not a nice one, but yeah, we'll naturally keep fit. 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,280 And winning that award in the middle of trade, were you quite 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,840 competitive amongst your squaddies? 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,600 Yeah, you always are. You see, you're young, just 1012 37 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,240 movies in a room. You just want to be better than 38 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,760 the other. What kind of masculine energy, 39 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,880 if you will? Most of the time is fear. 40 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,800 When you do your kind of nine and a half and things like that 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,680 for your PFPS, it's more just the cop was shouting at you're 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:34,960 running out of fear more than anything. 43 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,160 But yeah, and I've always been super competitive, so it's nice 44 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,240 to try and win everything you can for me. 45 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,560 And what was your first actual race that you got into? 46 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,920 If you don't include kind of park running, things like that, 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,960 it would have been the great Scottish 1/2 marathon. 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,520 I'm not even sure what that would have been, but my my wife 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,520 and her mum were running it and they signed me up. 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,400 So I jumped in with them and they I would say the pink wave, 51 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,440 whatever the back wave was at the time. 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,760 So that would be my first kind of proper road race. 53 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,240 You say you're doing you've done parked on. 54 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,200 Do you do that often? No, it's not as much I get down 55 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,480 actually we clean not as much do it. 56 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,880 I would just get down and cheer people on and when people and 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,080 help friends every things like that. 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,480 It's it's yeah, maybe my sessions are I'm going to choose 59 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,240 this Friday if my big session. So I never, I maybe run it hard 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,680 once a year. I've been quite lucky in my last 61 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,400 two hard ones last year and the year before. 62 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,440 They get the quickest in Britain that week for both of them. 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,440 But I don't do. I don't race often though. 64 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,120 So quickest in Britain? What kind of time are we talking 65 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,960 about there? I think my quickest, the 66 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,040 Greenock one was 1430 flat for the Greenock partner, yeah. 67 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,040 I can't even get halfway at that. 68 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:02,560 That's amazing. Do you have you done many park 69 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,960 runs? Did you do have you done the 70 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,480 tourism thing? I've stayed pretty. 71 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Local, mostly local. I've done a few if if I'm 72 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,520 travelling and there's one nearby, I'll I'll do them within 73 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,800 so many Perth and things like that. 74 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,640 But yeah, if for someone there's a partner nearby, I'll do it. 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,760 But I wouldn't travel for it just to be my training days are 76 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,440 they're quite, they're quite certain, quite rigid with my 77 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,360 stuff. And what does your training 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,520 schedule look like? Do you want me to give you a 79 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,080 kind of rough week? Is that OK? 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,320 What would be an average for you? 81 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,800 Typically quite brief of it would be Monday is 2 easy runs 82 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,640 so run in the morning run in the the afternoon, then I work back 83 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,320 shifts. Tuesday I'm normally at the 84 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,720 track in the mornings then in the evening I'll do either a 85 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,840 threshold run depending what I did in the track or I'll do hill 86 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:54,320 reps Then after that I'll go to the gym and do weights on a 87 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,920 Tuesday. Wednesday tour easier runs. 88 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,960 Thursday tour easier runs. Friday again double session 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,600 usually Rd. session kind of 24K volume total about 15 K 90 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,200 threshold ish. Saturdays making a day off I'll 91 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,520 do 1215K easy. Then Sunday long run which I 92 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,840 tend to run probably faster than most with a quite like a fast 93 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:17,960 long run. So I'm probably kind of three 94 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,120 3350 a kilometre from a 15 plus miles every Sunday. 95 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,200 What kind of miles or kilometers is that add up to for a a 96 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,920 typical week? So I kind of normal not in 97 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:37,080 blocks or anything, not massive probably 130 ish K for normal 98 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,440 out of season blocks and more. If a man can a half and still 99 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,080 marathon blocks a bit higher, you have 130 ish K probably. 100 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,840 And do you follow the average structure of like you would do 101 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,080 your three-week build like over the three weeks and then have a 102 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,280 recovery week? Kind of marathon wise, yeah, If 103 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:00,280 I'm doing a marathon, I would do three up, one down. 104 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,240 I think that's important purely just because the, the mental 105 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,640 side is really, really hard. So I think the, the week down is 106 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,320 the only thing that gets you through the three weeks up is to 107 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,840 be honest. But my, even my down week, it 108 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:16,560 wouldn't be that down. I'd still probably be if it was 109 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:22,040 marathon training, 120 or so K for my down week, but yeah. 110 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,600 But normal training, 10K half math and not really. 111 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,680 Maybe just ease off the double sessions a little bit, but I 112 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,080 wouldn't really drop very much, no. 113 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:34,240 Do you target like you're saying you do a block? 114 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:41,720 Do you target a race at the end or do you do like races during 115 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:47,080 your block as training? Yeah, so my kind of target just 116 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,200 now depending on what happens with the wife is frayed the 117 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,520 nights it's got 10,000 meters on the track. 118 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,520 So we cannot aim in for that a little bit. 119 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,320 But I've done a few 10 mile races leading into it. 120 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,320 But again, just not taping them down, just treating them as a 121 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,240 most a threshold session straight through. 122 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,720 But yeah, if I'm if I'm doing a 12/14 meet blog, I'll probably 123 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:13,400 race at least twice during that just because a bonus I enjoyed 124 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,080 racing. So it's too long not to race. 125 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,920 You, you, you said depending what's happened with your wife, 126 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,040 who what we haven't said so far is you're about to start a a 127 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:30,520 different kind of race and your wife is due anytime and by 128 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,360 anytime I mean today, so. It's due today, it's a due date 129 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,600 and we've been doing amazing. So she was even, she was at a 130 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,840 gym today doing weights and things. 131 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,880 So she's doing excellent. Is that to induce labour? 132 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Hopefully. Yeah, I think she's a bit 133 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,800 addicted to training. I think part of living with me. 134 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,080 Yeah, just I think she's feeling better when she's moving. 135 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,280 Instead, they're sitting about. And is your wife into is it 136 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,640 fitness in general or is she a runner also? 137 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,040 Doesn't run as much as I would love everyone. 138 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,320 Yeah, no, she's probably more kind of gym in classes, but she 139 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,040 does run. She's run some quick times, kind 140 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,600 of 45 minute time, K, probably our best. 141 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,320 She's not yet at the same time. I've got to kind of devote to 142 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,240 it. She's a busy job, so like 45 143 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,440 minutes and about 145 half marathon. 144 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,920 I think she's running Glasgow. Yeah, that's definitely, or 145 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,480 rather, yeah. We've got some cool times, yeah. 146 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,440 And you say hopefully you can run this 10,000 metres. 147 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,640 What's your current PB for that at the moment? 148 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,400 On the track, I've only done 2 in my life. 149 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,600 Actually on the track it's, oh, thirty. 150 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,480 I think it's 3002, I'm on the track so hopefully quite gonna 151 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,080 fight the night if they I'm allowed in the weather holds. 152 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,800 You said that you obviously did a lot of physio and physio 153 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:04,000 physical activity in the military and what what is it 154 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,680 your job is now? So I work with a leisure company 155 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:11,760 and with a leisure and I'm there lead trainer for the company. 156 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,720 So I was a personal trainer in Glasgow. 157 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,920 Then I started running a bit more and I come back down to 158 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,000 where I think you look. So I now work with, we've got 159 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,680 about 7 gyms. It's a huge kind of big company. 160 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:26,920 So I deal with this, the premium sites, if you will, teach a lot 161 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,080 of classes and effectively upscale the staff and run some 162 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,400 CPDS and things like that for them just to try and deliver as 163 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,960 best for service we can. Yeah, I teach a lot of cycling 164 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,640 classes, running classes and that as well. 165 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:46,280 So do you count that as are you doing exercise doing that or is 166 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,000 that part of your cross training or? 167 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:52,280 It depends where I'm if I'm injured I don't want to bite my 168 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:53,880 cycling classes and if I'm not I won't. 169 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,200 Kind of. It depends what my training is 170 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,920 looking like. And when you're training, when 171 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,840 it's the winter season, do you ever partake in cross country? 172 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,720 Yeah, yeah. If it wasn't for that club, I 173 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:10,680 wouldn't. It's awful. 174 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,320 But yeah, no, I do enjoy some of them. 175 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:15,320 There's not as much as there were. 176 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,600 The county champs of Olken had disappeared for us now the 177 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,840 Renfrews, but the districts and they, they come on all the short 178 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,920 course relays. I enjoy that. 179 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,040 It's one of the most painful 4 kilometres on Earth. 180 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,880 What club is it you run for? Invoklid Athletics. 181 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:36,520 So you say that you don't enjoy the cross country so much, What 182 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,480 race would you say is your favorite to partake him? 183 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,040 So can I spare any race? Yeah. 184 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,600 Yeah, anything you want. Probably Glasgow, a great 185 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,720 Scottish run, just because I've got a lot of memories there and 186 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,360 I've run it tons of times. So yeah, probably, probably 187 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,640 Glasgow. And I'm guessing with the times 188 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,480 that you run, you're at the very front pen. 189 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:05,440 Not as far front as I would love, but yeah, my first one in 190 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,880 Glasgow is but 146, something like that and my best finish is 191 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,880 fifth up there. So. 192 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,920 So you have been top five in Hangman, top six last three 193 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,840 years, something like that. I'd love to win it. 194 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,600 And for a race like that, do you take any gels or anything? 195 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:28,760 So for half marathons, no, actually I wouldn't take 196 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,160 anything. I wouldn't take water unless 197 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,680 it's really hot. Same for training. 198 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:35,200 If I'm doing training runs up to 20 miles I probably wouldn't 199 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,240 take anything. Unless I was in a marathon block 200 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,880 and try train my stomach to use the gels or use carb fluids or 201 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,480 whatever I was taking, I wouldn't take anything at all on 202 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:50,440 board. As just your standard, whatever 203 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,240 brand of gel or is there any particular thing that you would 204 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,360 take? I mean if gel wise I would take 205 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,600 the what I say it's SAS and high 5. 206 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,720 The Aqua gels not got as much carbs as some of them, but I 207 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,120 find it a little bit easier to take. 208 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,600 So a lot of them are quite thick and you the gel underwater at 209 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,640 the same time. Whereas with the can Aqua gels 210 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,320 you can just almost get a drink with the gel. 211 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,240 You know, for me anyway, they sit a little bit better. 212 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,480 My stomach I've tried loads and stomach's not great with gels. 213 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Yeah, the Aqua gels are about 22g per sachet. 214 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,960 I I always find that they're really watery because but it 215 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,520 means you don't have to take water with it. 216 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,600 Yeah, no, they're not good. For the shorter races, do you 217 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,000 tend to like cab load before the events? 218 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,880 Like have a big dinner the night before or like a porridge or 219 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,280 something like that before you do go out and run? 220 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,640 Or do you run fasted? No I wouldn't run fasted if it 221 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:47,960 was an early race. I just got up. 222 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,840 I try and eat 3 hours before it then nothing. 223 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,520 I used to be a little bit closer. 224 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,120 I used to eat maybe 2 hours then have a wee snack lead into it. 225 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,120 And just because you're always starving. 226 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,560 But no, I mean, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do anything fasted 227 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:02,200 unless it was easy runs in the morning. 228 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,680 I would always just go up. It was early to then go back to 229 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:06,320 bed if I can and just lie down for a bit. 230 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,840 Do you take like if you were racing 1/2 marathon, would you 231 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,880 take a gel before it? Would you take caffeine or 232 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,520 anything like that? One coffee. 233 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,720 I would take one coffee and nothing. 234 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,960 Nothing else before it. No gel. 235 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,160 It was just my normal breakfast then. 236 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Yeah. And no water typically unless it 237 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,280 was a a warm day. If you don't, especially if 238 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,640 you're in a pack and you get through a water station and no 239 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,200 one takes the water, you can't take one either. 240 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,280 That's the real. One, Is that a military thing? 241 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,440 I'm not sure, but I don't even know if that's a real thing. 242 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,720 That's where my head is, because if I'm not taking the water, I 243 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,680 don't need the water, even if I'm absolutely dying. 244 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,800 I'm not. I'm better than them. 245 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,040 And when you've finished your events and races, do you have a 246 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,320 post celebratory go to meal or? Drink probably. 247 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,760 Meal probably. Just probably got pizza if it 248 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,200 depends and if it didn't go very well, I don't have no end. 249 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,680 So but yeah, probably a a pizza or if again, after Glasgow, a 250 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,600 group obvious, maybe 10-15. Obviously go at Dimaggio's and 251 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,960 give you pizza, pasta be lastly and set as a group of things. 252 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,680 So yeah, probably pizza. Nice. 253 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,240 And what what flavour? If I'm up there, probably a 254 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,400 spicy chicken. If I'm down at home, probably a 255 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:29,920 pepperoni. And timing of the races, you're 256 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,440 saying you get up, you have your breakfast. 257 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,120 That's assuming the race is in the morning. 258 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,360 What about if the race was an evening race? 259 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,640 I think yeah, that make a yeah it. 260 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,640 Makes you off. Yeah, it's it's so the racing 261 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Friday. I've not the schedule's not 262 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,560 going out till tomorrow, but it's it's normally about half 263 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,600 eight, 9:00 at night we go, which is really tough and afraid 264 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,120 tonight and we have sleeping within. 265 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,760 So yeah, that's that's tough. So we probably have normal 266 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,480 breakfast then you said they're having a, a kind of tea or a 267 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,000 main meal. Just have a a big lunch, then 268 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,440 almost just snacks through the day and then just hope that it's 269 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,680 enough. And you say you're half sleeping 270 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,720 for the evening ones. That probably answered my next 271 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,080 question that's just came to mind. 272 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,360 Do you prefer morning, afternoon or evening races? 273 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Probably I'm I'm an 11:00 guide so that's my perfect time. 274 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Means you need to race at 11. There's not many at that time 275 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,880 though they're usually morning or if I does anybody across 276 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,360 country know that's probably to have to facing them in which 277 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,760 again is quite tough because it's a Big Breakfast, small 278 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,760 lunch. Yeah, mid kind of mid morning. 279 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,840 It's probably my preferred time. How much sleep do you get? 280 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,760 None. I'm a, I'm a terrible sleeper. 281 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,480 Yeah, maybe. I don't know, like if I get four 282 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,080 or five hours some nights, it's probably one thing, my training 283 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,600 that's an issue. It's the one thing I struggle 284 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,000 with and I don't imagine a child come along is going to make it 285 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:55,680 much better. I. 286 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,760 Was going to say you're just practising for being a parent, 287 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:06,120 but what I've said is the when I became a parent, it was sleep 288 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,640 deprivation. That that's training you for a 289 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,160 race where you're obviously not running all night because you're 290 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,400 finished in 60 minutes, but it's it's training for being tired. 291 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,280 Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it. 292 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,720 But yeah, no sleep is definitely my my, kind of my weakness, I'd 293 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,280 say. Have you done anything beyond a 294 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,280 marathon? Have you done an ultra marathon? 295 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,160 So in training, yeah, I've done loads, I've done some investing. 296 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,040 BBL A's, I've crewed on a veseland way. 297 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,720 My, my. That's probably where I'm going 298 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,080 to go, to be honest. Straight to ultras. 299 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,480 When I started it was with ultra runners I started running with. 300 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,960 I've never really had any intentions of running Rd. races. 301 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,400 I wasn't really that interested in times or anything. 302 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,640 It was just kind of seeing how far I can go before my body 303 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,520 disintegrates. Then I, I said on a part running 304 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,320 my first part room was like 1720 or something like that. 305 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,440 So then I get kind of roped into clubs and a bit more Roadrunner. 306 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,000 But yeah, Ultras is definitely where I'm I'm going to end up. 307 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,560 Yeah, good as what we want to hear because both of us are all 308 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,040 for runners. So have you got any names that 309 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,400 you're wanting to drop of who who you were out running with? 310 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,440 Initially it was a cooked 1, so we got good runners as well. 311 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,000 When I first started they got me running. 312 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,880 Then Jude Bolton was my initial coach, well a social worker at 313 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,480 team probably. So he took me on and again I 314 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,040 could have and things like that. But yeah, I've been on my, I've 315 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,000 been on mowing running way since Mark Politrow, who's now moved. 316 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,760 He's about Scotch athletics. He's the head of endurance now. 317 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,520 But for the last five, 4-5 years, I've just been on mowing, 318 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,520 coaching on mowing and the train on mowing. 319 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,200 That's David Tambarini. Sorry. 320 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,240 Better shoot. David. 321 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,800 He's with me on my hard days. Segue's in front of me. 322 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Take the brunt of the wind from where we live. 323 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,920 Out of all the things that you've won, raced, not 324 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:10,400 necessarily even won, as I just said, what is your biggest 325 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,520 running achievement? And it might have been, you said 326 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,880 you came fifth in Glasgow, that that's quite an achievement. 327 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:22,720 What would it be for you? Probably. 328 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:28,160 Probably Inverness 20 years ago, 2025 last year, Inverness last 329 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,720 year, the half marathon that was, I kind of shocked him. 330 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,320 That was I went up, I was maybe seeded 7th or something like 2 331 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,680 minutes behind the, the front four or five guys. 332 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,440 I had only just broke six to seven minutes once. 333 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,840 So yeah, came away with the one up there and get the Scottish 334 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,680 title was a a massive surprise and it was a war. 335 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,360 It was like right down to the line, it was, it was painful. 336 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,080 And how did you find the course? Yeah, it was tough. 337 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,360 Yeah. It's quite a hilly course for a 338 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,360 fast time anyway, even though the times there was quick every 339 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:02,680 year. I think it's just the guys at 340 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,080 the front, you know, as it's, it's helly. 341 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,800 But we went out relatively slow for what I thought. 342 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,600 I thought we were going to kind of Sprint off the line, but I 343 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,680 think the first 5K was only about 1540 or something like 344 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,560 that. Then it just kind of got quicker 345 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,160 and quicker. I think like 10 to 15 K, maybe 346 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,720 15-10, then just getting faster and faster and faster. 347 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,640 Then me and Sean Chalmers kind of Sprint in the last kilometer, 348 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:29,080 which was just awful. And do you have do you wear a 349 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,760 watch? So not always actually, I 350 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,640 typically don't race with a watch. 351 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,440 I know it's about. So sometimes if you see my 352 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,080 results, it's been amazing and sometimes it's been awful. 353 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,640 I'm very rarely in between. I'm a big believer in just just 354 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,040 going for it sometimes. But one of my favourite quotes I 355 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,240 could quote is Everything is Steve P Fontaine. 356 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,080 It's the best pace of suicide pace and today's a good day to 357 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,320 die. That's that's kind of how I run. 358 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,600 Because that's the reason I ask that is because when you're 359 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,800 running these races and you realise like how fast you're 360 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,560 going when you set off in the first mile or so, the ever go 361 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,000 look at the watch and go, Oh no, I've run too fast in the first 362 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,400 bit. Or do you just, you know, do you 363 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,200 just roll with it? Not all the time, yeah. 364 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,120 Always just look at it and think, Oh my God, what am I 365 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:22,240 doing? I think I did example that would 366 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,720 be Edinburgh. Edinburgh last year, maybe the 367 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,640 half marathon I had, I had won quite a few things and I was 368 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,320 trying to get there. My second Scotland selection and 369 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,280 I spoke to Scotch Athletics and this is I had to do a half 370 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,440 because I missed the championships. 371 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,440 So I signed up to Edinburgh and I was asking what I need to want 372 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,080 to qualify and I just got a message back. 373 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,200 It just seems fast. That's great. 374 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,000 So I signed up to Edinburgh. I had just done 310 keys so I 375 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,880 was just racing like mad when we on the way down last minute. 376 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,600 It's quite downhill at the start and I would have watched for 377 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,880 that because I was trying to run a good time and I was through 378 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,840 the 1st decay in like about 8:45 of the half marathon. 379 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,720 Then it was the longest kind of 18 kilometers of my life. 380 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,040 But yeah, I I go out to quit quite a lot. 381 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,240 That's one of the main. Go out quick and hang on that's. 382 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,960 Yeah, it's if you want a time, it's not the best way of doing 383 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,840 it, but if you're, if you're there and you know you're going 384 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,640 to be running with the lead pack and you want to give it a bash, 385 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,120 I, I really don't think a watch helps. 386 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,120 But it never tells you anything positive. 387 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,360 You're either going to look down, it's telling you you're 388 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:25,760 going slower than you want to be going. 389 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,640 So then it kind of mentally plays with you in a negative 390 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,480 way. Or as you said, you look down, 391 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,080 you're going too quick and you panic. 392 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,640 So I don't really think it ever tells you anything good. 393 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,840 I guess you're thinking, am I going as fast as I need to go or 394 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,760 as fast as my body will let me go right now? 395 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,480 And that's all you need to know. Yeah, just learning to run the 396 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,800 course. I think people can get sucked 397 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,680 in, especially if you're looking at if you have live pace on, you 398 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,080 know, averages and stuff. If you're trying to run 330 a 399 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,360 kilometre and you're running up a big hill, when you look at 400 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,280 your watch and you see 4 minutes, you start to panic. 401 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,200 You're not really taking into account that you're running a 402 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840 big hill. And so, yeah, I think learning 403 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,280 to run the courses helps a little bit as well. 404 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,960 But you know, I don't love a watch. 405 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,280 I train with them obviously, but I don't race with them much. 406 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,720 I guess the only thing you could do would be put it on the heart 407 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,000 rate. So he's just perceived effort 408 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,680 versus actual effort is do I feel like I'm going a certain 409 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,200 pace? My, my heart rate says I am. 410 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,520 But then I guess when you're doing a race, your heart rate's 411 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,840 all over the place anyway because you're excited so. 412 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,880 Yeah, all right. Heart, heart rate for me, if I'm 413 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,480 on a treadmill, I run by heart rate sometimes again if I don't 414 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,240 know if I'm doing like Friday the 2 by 5 kilometres on a 415 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040 treadmill. And I think on the second one my 416 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,760 heart rate was it was shown quite high. 417 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,240 It was at 190 and it was so I just took my watch off and put 418 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,280 it down. So I didn't want to see it. 419 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,080 That's good advice, actually. Yeah, if I kind of see it, I 420 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,640 don't know. So. 421 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,560 If it's not telling you what you need to know or what you want to 422 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,640 know, if it's not saying you're doing awesome, then why bother? 423 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,080 And when you run these really, really fast times and, you know, 424 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,120 you podium and you come fast and that, do you ever get the 425 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,480 struggling with the stairs the next day? 426 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,640 Or is your body just so conditioned now that it just 427 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,600 doesn't happen? Sometimes, yeah, Depends on the 428 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,640 course. If it's a really tough course, 429 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,240 probably more so. If there's a lot of downhill, it 430 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,680 can erect your quads. Stairs, not so much, but yeah, 431 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,480 sometimes I'm just a bit achy, but I'll run. 432 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,960 Typically after the race I'll come home and go and run again. 433 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,960 I'll do a 5K after that just to flush your legs out so that, 434 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,520 that, that does help when I've just got on the bike. 435 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,800 I've got a turbo next to him in my living room, which my wife is 436 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,360 raging about. Yeah. 437 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,760 Not child friendly. It's not but I was hoping I was 438 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,640 going to have a gym. We'd done the house up and I 439 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,840 thought it was going to be gym but we get pregnant right away 440 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,120 so it's not a nursing and I've lost my gym. 441 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,760 I don't know, maybe the noise of it will settle the child. 442 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,800 I kept saying you need to speak to Nicola for me. 443 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,120 So the next question I know I'll say is, and it can be quite a 444 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,600 philosophical one, why do you run? 445 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,480 Yeah, I could take away the answer it'll. 446 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,560 Take as long as you need. Yeah, the answer to that's 447 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,280 probably, I suppose changed through the years of running. 448 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,320 For me, I first came to running. It's almost the way it kind of 449 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,760 saved my sanity a little bit. Just go through some tough times 450 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,880 and it was an outlet. Then obviously you start 451 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,280 progressing in this sport, then the the running becomes the 452 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,600 biggest stress in your life as opposed to the stress you leave. 453 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,080 For me, but I've got a lot of, it's probably not healthy, but a 454 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,160 lot of self loss tied up and running a lot of value. 455 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,200 I put myself through running and it's just kind of became who I 456 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,040 am. So it's, and I'm also too far. 457 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,400 I know I've run too many 1000 miles to stop. 458 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,360 So I've kind of, I'm kind of all in. 459 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,680 I've not got a choice at this point. 460 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,680 But you know, it makes me a better person. 461 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,280 It's been, it's made me better. It's improved every aspect of my 462 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,600 life. It's probably an investment as 463 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,920 well with the money you've more than likely spent on it as well. 464 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,400 It's issues are getting deer and deer so they're. 465 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,360 No half. What should we do? 466 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,840 Sorry, Mike. No, it's the way you ask. 467 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,280 Exactly the same thing. So training wise for daily 468 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,920 running are typically run in Clifton's or Rincon's Hawker for 469 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:34,320 my all my easy volume race wise, the adios prothees is what I was 470 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,800 racing and I was Nike a little bit. 471 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,320 I prefer Nike for the the kind of 10K render, but I think the 472 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,400 the idealist just suit the way I run a little bit better. 473 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,160 Spike wise are where the ON spikes actually the cloud 474 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,000 spikes. So a little bit of everything. 475 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,200 Are the pro threes carbon? Yeah, they've got carbon plates 476 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,520 and they've got 5 carbon rods that mimic toes. 477 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,320 They've got everything you can use to cheat possible. 478 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,880 What Nikes do you run them for your 10K? 479 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,320 What what? What's the word I'm looking for 480 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,000 and? What version of? 481 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,920 What version that? Thank you. 482 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,760 It would be the vapor flies, not the new ones. 483 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,080 Is it either of the twos or the threes? 484 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,480 I'm not sure what they are, but I've, I've always found them 485 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,480 super, super narrow and they kind of wrecked my Achilles a 486 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,920 little bit. Yeah. 487 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,040 I think they're quite narrow as they did this and probably a 488 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,000 little bit more aggressive of a sure, but I think they form a 489 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,600 little bit softer. So it's not as aggravating on 490 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:41,800 your calves and things. And while you're obviously 491 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,720 you're running as fast as you can go, what do you think about 492 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,080 during that? Depends what point you're 493 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,880 racing. And sometimes I just want to 494 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,280 stop. Yeah. 495 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,600 You know, if it's training and things like that, if I'm doing 496 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,160 big sessions, obviously as I track this moment, a lot of the 497 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,640 time it's kind of visualizing upcoming events, thinking about 498 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760 where you want to be, thinking about the course if you're 499 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,920 struggling, thinking about how you're going to feel the X point 500 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,440 of a race. So I think about that a lot. 501 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,240 Or if it's it's maybe someone I'm trying to race with, I'll 502 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840 imagine that in front of me and I just, I'm trying to catch them 503 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,680 all the time. But race wise, yeah, trying to 504 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,520 keep as clear ahead as possible. To be honest. 505 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,000 You want to be as relaxed as you can for probably 80% of the 506 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,480 race, switching the brain off as much as you can until you really 507 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,360 have to start racing. So ideally the answer to that 508 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,400 would be nothing. But that's not, that's not 509 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,640 always true. You're always just thinking, 510 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,560 that's just too quick. I'm going to die. 511 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,560 And do you have a mental strategy of when you are trying 512 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,000 to chase the leader or if you are being chased? 513 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,040 Yeah, I'm, I'm not even sure I'm better actually. 514 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,280 But yeah, if I'm chasing someone, it's always the, the 515 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,440 first thing I would do is try and settle into their cadence 516 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,720 rhythm. You know, it sounds a little bit 517 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,480 strange. If I can see their cadence is a 518 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,320 little bit higher than mine, I'm almost always not going to catch 519 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,120 them. So I try and slot into their 520 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:13,440 cadence and then just try and slowly that will bring that tape 521 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,680 back in. If you're that kind of elastic 522 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,560 bandit inevitably snaps. I'm quite good at coming back 523 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,080 from falling off. I don't really mind that. 524 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,360 Sometimes I I prefer to drop off a group and just run moan so you 525 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:25,920 can control your pace a little bit more. 526 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,440 Being chest is a little bit different. 527 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,880 That's almost just running in pure fear and all you can think 528 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,200 to yourself is don't look over your shoulder because the noise 529 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,280 you're tired. And if you look over your 530 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,480 shoulder. I always find paranoia being 531 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,800 chased as the the biggest motivator that there is. 532 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,320 Yeah, no, definitely just hearing even sometimes I'm still 533 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,960 at the races, especially in Scotland job, it's lapse or 534 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,560 something. So you're you're passing other 535 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,760 people who are maybe on a lap behind you level, but you can 536 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,640 start with your footsteps. So then you just start imagining 537 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,120 that second place, I thought whoever is catching up with you. 538 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,280 So it gives you a little edge to keep pushing. 539 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,400 So you're trying to try to run to the point you can't hear 540 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,800 footsteps. It gives them a goal. 541 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,760 So it once you get into ultras, they'll be, can I hear that gate 542 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,640 closing 100 meters behind me something? 543 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Because they're you don't hear the few steps much because 544 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,080 they're off road. So yeah, I know. 545 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,600 It's. Good. 546 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,960 While you're you're running a race, you're thinking, I just 547 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,360 want to stop, I just want to stop. 548 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,360 It's hurting. How do you get around that? 549 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,160 Have you got a mantra to yourself? 550 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,200 What do you tell yourself? There were probably a few things 551 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,920 I thought, I sound completely mental, a few little things I 552 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,160 say sometimes I believe I can take a lot of pain. 553 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,600 I think that's why I got good at running so late and so quick. 554 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,600 I don't know, for my background and my life and having kind of 555 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,560 trauma in the past, it's quite common. 556 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,120 Me, I thought, I thought these were elite athletes, but elite 557 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,640 athletes. So I believe that stuff that 558 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,320 I've been through has served the purpose and it's almost a gift 559 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,640 to be able to take the pain of that. 560 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,240 But yeah, so sometimes I just repeat to myself, I am pain. 561 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,680 Race it or a few other ones. Steven, again, Steven Cook who 562 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,120 got me running message years ago, he said to me when you 563 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,720 start to feel pain, his advice was always don't fight it. 564 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,720 It's inevitable. So let the pain in, absorb it, 565 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,560 then let it go. You know it's going to come. 566 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,040 You can't avoid it during the race. 567 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,760 If you're trying to run a quick time or win a race, you have to 568 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,760 be in pain. And all this, too, shall pass. 569 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,520 I think Justin Blueman felt quite a nice mantra. 570 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,080 I can't remember exactly what it is. 571 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480 He lost the race last year, the triathlete. 572 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,520 And his mantra was something along the wings of the pain 573 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,160 you're feeling. Those are not as bad as losing. 574 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,040 Almost. Yeah, losing is worse. 575 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,600 Yeah. Do you feel the military helped 576 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:13,040 you with that? I think the military think it 577 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200 gave me discipline that I didn't have. 578 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,560 It gave me structure, and yet it forced you not to quit again. 579 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,360 There's a couple of other rephrases of what can I put your 580 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,960 hand in a fire and keep it there? 581 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,120 And it teaches you the heart quite well and to enjoy it, you 582 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,560 start to kind of enjoy that pain. 583 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,640 A lot of way I run, I used to feel that I don't particularly 584 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,080 enjoy the easy meals. I really enjoy the hard sessions 585 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400 to where you're, I don't know, on your knees, the 108 heart 586 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,040 rate, throwing up, doing whatever you need to do. 587 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,880 That's kind of why I'm running. In fact, if I'm not getting that 588 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,960 I'm, I'm not enjoying it. And you mentioned that you'd 589 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,120 like to dip your toe into the ultra pool fairly soonish. 590 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,480 Do you have any dream races or bucket list races of any 591 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,080 discipline that you'd like to do? 592 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,120 Yeah. Are you a TMB? 593 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,800 Not even 100%. Yeah, that's my. 594 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,440 I will run that and I will run well the. 595 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,120 Full one. Yeah. 596 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,360 I mean, see me and my wife hiked the the two of the Mont Blanc 597 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,760 last year or two years ago. So we went and we had just 598 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,160 self-guided hiked that and it was unbelievable. 599 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,200 Yeah, it was probably the best trip of our life. 600 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,720 And so he plans to think you'll be in back. 601 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520 I'll carry the begin around it in about a year or so, then go 602 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:37,880 back and race it. I did it back in 2014 and 603 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,080 fantastic race. The thing I found was you can't 604 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,880 train for it in Scotland. There's just like you can run up 605 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,960 to the top of Ben Nevis and then you're on the quarter way. 606 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,440 Up the hill, yeah, yeah, I know. I need to move it to Shamani for 607 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,480 a bit. I'm sure I could manage 608 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,080 sacrifices, you know that that's it was, to be honest, it was 609 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,160 probably the best sent way. It's been the dream winner that 610 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,400 says until we've done that hike, I won't do the best sent way 611 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,680 just because. But yeah, I don't think it's 612 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,240 even close to the the TMB for me. 613 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,680 And is there? This might be a a depressing 614 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,520 question, or it could be a enlightening question. 615 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,680 Is there anybody that you would like to run with either a live, 616 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:35,280 not fictional, not I'm. Not sure it would be depressing. 617 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,320 It doesn't need to be depressing. 618 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,480 It can be like your wife. If you want to run GTMB with 619 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,080 your wife, that is the perfect answer. 620 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,880 She needs to get training then. Yeah. 621 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,880 I mean, no, we'd actually sidetrack that we plan a fast 622 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,480 packet before we before our race it at least we will go in fast 623 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,760 packet as well just so we can do as many times as possible. 624 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,680 The athlete, current athlete, I would say alive wouldn't even be 625 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480 a runner. It's a toss up for me between 626 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,280 Kelly and John there and Lane. Los Andos the triathlete. 627 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,159 It's probably probably Lane though for me. 628 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,040 And you mentioned that you've got hopefully, if you can run it 629 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,320 10,000 meters on Friday. Have you got any other races 630 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,159 lined up for the rest of the year? 631 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,159 Yeah, loads actually. It's stressful. 632 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,719 Yeah, I've got, I've got, I've got it's most of the 10 kids 633 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,400 actually just now because it's a little bit easier to manage if 634 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,239 I'm going to have a newborn. They said they're trying to run 635 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,199 1,000,000 miles. So 10,005, if I if I make it 636 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,040 then I'll be at the the West Districts, the Glasgow Babcock 637 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,920 that's got a really good feel this year. 638 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520 I think there's maybe 3 or 4 guys run 28 minutes. 639 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,760 So it's going to be a quick race. 640 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,800 So that'll be the next one. I think that's in three weeks to 641 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,320 three weeks maybe. Then it'll be on to the Brian 642 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,560 Goodwin. Then come on, look for the 643 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,440 Scottish Champs road, 10 kilometres. 644 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,120 Then hopefully after that Glasgow again, probably Glasgow 645 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,040 half if not a marathon if things go well. 646 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,800 We've got a good sleeper, potentially a marathon at the 647 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,280 end of the year. I keep everything crossed for 648 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,880 you. You have got a good sleeper then 649 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,280 if you go a marathon in mind towards the tail end of the 650 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,560 year. I've not even thought about it 651 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,120 to be honest. My plan was, you know, to derail 652 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,280 that again, same as a lot of the boys was trying when they call 653 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,040 me of standard for the marathon saying his previous one was 654 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,400 about two, 1512. So the aim is to make a good 655 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,920 crack at that. But then obviously they've 656 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,040 they've pulled the marathon from the Commonwealth Games. 657 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,680 So that kind of discovered my plans a little bit. 658 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,600 So yeah, I'm not even sure marathon wise what to do. 659 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,000 It's one of the ones I want to run a quick one. 660 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,360 But again, it's it's a lot of work and a lot of training, a 661 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,560 lot of satellites. They potentially qualify for 662 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,640 nothing. There's not really any marathon 663 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,640 races for Scotland or Britain you can race or get selected for 664 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,160 just now. And I'm not going to run the 665 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,880 world standard. The standards for the world just 666 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,440 never ridiculous. So yeah, I'm not sure marathon 667 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,920 wise I'd like so my thank you time out. 668 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,520 Then it might be straight to ultras. 669 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,440 And have have you got an idea of you're obviously fast, but like 670 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,680 the West Highland way is the race that you mentioned what 671 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,120 what kind of time would be been for? 672 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,200 Whatever the course record, there's somewhere a bit there. 673 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,120 Where's a bit eleven of those 12 or something? 674 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,280 3042. So under 15 then start the. 675 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,000 So the course record holder needs to watch you're coming for 676 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,400 them. Rob I I was the support for Rob 677 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,680 when he set the record, so I was by another record. 678 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,640 I hope you didn't help me then. Yeah, I know. 679 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,400 Let me see. This is the one is. 680 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,760 I would go out quick and die. You die. 681 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,320 I'll get to the finish line no more. 682 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,440 I watched it, so maybe 15. I was maybe 20 but I would try 683 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:11,640 for a quick time. And before, well, Friday night, 684 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,360 you've got a big race coming up. If you, if you, you're allowed 685 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,360 to be there, depending on what happens with your wife. 686 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,160 Do you get nervous before it? Yeah, not, not not all races, 687 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,800 big ones, yeah. So last week I raced the 688 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,480 Scottish, this last week Scottish District 10 male. 689 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,600 Some races like that. Not so much to go honest with 690 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,720 you anymore, but yeah, when's like Friday? 691 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,400 I think it's what's because it's on the track 25 laps, the track 692 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,000 feels about 25 miles and I don't know why, but the the lapse of 693 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,960 the track are just brutal. So yeah, I've been nervous 694 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,720 before Friday. Plus when it's an evening ratio 695 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,360 I've got all day sitting think about it and overthink it and, 696 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,600 and also waiting for there'll be Pacers and things like that. 697 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,440 So I'm waiting to see what pace the what time the pesos are 698 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,360 beginning at. And quite often it's, for myself 699 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,640 anyway, it's 2 pesos and it's always one too quick and one too 700 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,000 slow, so you end up stuck in kind of no man's land with the 701 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,040 choice of their just go with the pace and just hope for the best. 702 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,040 So yeah, I've been nervous before Friday. 703 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,960 And injuries? Have you had any major injuries? 704 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,840 Yeah, but the the start of my career, if you want to cover 705 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,160 that, yeah, because I went from basically not running for 10 706 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,440 years to running 7 miles a week overnight, then yeah, you just 707 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,360 spend forever injured. So Achilles calves, everything 708 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,920 recently my, my last race with Scotland was August last year in 709 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,320 Antrim. And so I think that we can a 710 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,520 minor turn of my hamstring there. 711 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,040 Then I just, I struggled from August right through actually 712 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,960 they're just going to get back in a decent shape for February. 713 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,880 I raced the county five mile. So I managed to win somehow then 714 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,200 wrecked my quad doing that. So I've only probably had about 715 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,560 7 weeks ago training just now and it's been probably the 716 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,760 hardest 8 months of running I've had. 717 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,680 Between the injuries I've been running maybe only 100 718 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,520 kilometers a week in cycling and jamming a lot. 719 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,360 How do you recover from you said that you? 720 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,720 Nikki asked about your quads. What? 721 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,360 What would you do to recover after a big race when you're 722 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,320 when you're hurting? If I'm injured, hurting you 723 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,360 mean? Well, no, just DOMS sort of 724 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,560 thing, or just general running fatigue. 725 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:43,440 Yeah, just keep running, running a little bit, get a dog, a big 726 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,120 walk. Try not, especially if you 727 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,400 disaster it. Feel up plenty, hydrate plenty. 728 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,440 I think if you're not drinking enough after anything over a 10K 729 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,880 you'll really be suffering muscle wiper cramps and things. 730 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,120 So plenty of fluids after that big plenty of walking. 731 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,680 My wife walks up mad so I'll get dragged all the time anyway. 732 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:08,200 And you mentioned pizza before and you're saying fuel up 733 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,480 afterwards. What would be do you follow any 734 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,400 particular diet? What would be your normal diet 735 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,120 during the day? I'm not on anything specific. 736 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,400 I would and it will probably change depending on my day. 737 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,840 So again, Monday when I'm doing 2 easy runs, I wouldn't eat as 738 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,080 much fuel if you will, but then leave me. 739 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,400 I can choose to leave me a Friday, but I'm maybe it's going 740 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,160 to be doing 30 plus kilometers over the day. 741 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,560 Then I probably have 1000 plus calories extra and try and get 742 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,920 again more protein in that day. But I'm not super, super picky. 743 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080 I'm sitting here with some food. Next time I've got to be sodium 744 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,920 bars and that next to me just I love a sodium and I don't eat a 745 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,200 lot of meat actually. So I take a lot of kind of 746 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,720 protein shakes, protein bars and that kind of stuff. 747 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,240 I'm not a not vegetarian but I just don't love meat. 748 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:04,240 And last question from me is, do you have a preferred race 749 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,960 distance? I would, I would have said half 750 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,280 marathon, but I've I've had a lot of success at 10K. 751 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,840 Well, I don't know, 10K on the road just now anyway. 10K on the 752 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,880 road. Is. 753 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,360 Is there a reason for that or is it just? 754 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,840 Not sure, it's kind of, it's kind of the sweet spot. 755 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,600 It's still really, really long, maybe a kind of mental grind, 756 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,280 but short enough that you can just almost Sprint it. 757 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,000 So it's in that kind of middle grind. 5 KS. 758 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,160 I don't love A5 cats. I don't like travelling for 5K. 759 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,880 So a long way to go run for a few minutes. 760 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,040 It's not ten gigs worth it. But yeah, I'm I'm not sure I do 761 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,960 like 1/2 again, especially up in Scotland. 762 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,720 A lot of the time you end up on your own and you're just running 763 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:58,760 every race so low and it's a bit, yeah, it's tough. 764 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,160 It's a bit soul destroying sometimes. 765 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,600 Somebody said to me that you should only do races, that your 766 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:11,320 travel time is less than your race time, but if you're running 767 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040 so fast then you can't go very far. 768 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,120 You get to Glasgow but that's about it. 769 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,880 I know that's that's the thing with the cross company season 770 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440 because they're 4 kilometres and for us, a lot of them they're 771 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,360 away and they're in the Scotland and you're going to run for 772 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:29,000 11-12 minutes and it's always crap where that's a long way to 773 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,080 go. I I said it was the last 774 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,440 question, but I just thought about another one. 775 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,360 You said Friday's race is 25 laps of the course. 776 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,760 How do you keep counting? Well it's a it's a track race, 777 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,360 the Scottish 10,000. So there is, there's a weak 778 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,560 track marker. I really wish there wasn't to be 779 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,400 honest. I think they should just have 780 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,320 nothing until about 10 laps to go, then show you a 10 lap 781 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,680 countdown. I don't think there's a need to 782 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,040 have 25 years to start. We'll get 25 laps to go. 783 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,160 But yeah, probably just switch off anyway. 784 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,040 I would just lose count and it told me to ring the bell. 785 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,920 But it's yeah, it's only 400 meters of lap obviously, but 25 786 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,040 laps. So that's, I don't know why, but 787 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,600 it just is a long way. Do you lap people? 788 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,520 No, not in the race that that. The races will start at maybe 5 789 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,440 or 6 at night in the work the way through till the the kind of 790 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,800 Scottish champs a race. So there's not that many 791 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,360 obvious. There's maybe only 1015 in the 792 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,680 race. So unless someone's having a 793 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,480 really kind of crumbled a little bit, but I mean the slowest guy 794 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,440 is maybe running, I don't know, 31 minutes, something like that 795 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,880 is the kind of back guy of our race. 796 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,600 So it's yeah, it's unlikely to lap someone. 797 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,440 I guess there's somebody's having that bad a race, they're 798 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,120 probably going to drop out anyway. 799 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,760 Joseph it isn't someone that came and watched it. 800 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,680 The last time I ran it was a may say 20 or we started. 801 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:55,840 You're probably talking about 50% walked off the course again 802 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,360 because you can obviously see a pace every 200 meters. 803 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,480 And if I'm trying to run 30 minutes, which is 36 seconds, we 804 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,240 have two or 72 per 400, four, 48 per mile, 3 minutes per 805 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,960 kilometer. And you know pretty early on if 806 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,320 you're if you're going to make it or not. 807 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,960 And a lot of people get 3 kilometers and they're a bit off 808 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960 pace, they're dying and they just walk off. 809 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,040 It's just super common. It's more common and the air 810 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,840 race is probably than as any other race because most people 811 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,520 just want to finish. But a lot of the guys, if 812 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,320 they're after a time, it's not their day, they just call it 813 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,240 quits. I can understand they're they 814 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:32,400 need to be ready to race again in a couple of weeks. 815 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,800 So they need to what? What's point in putting in 816 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,840 effort if you're not going to reap the rewards? 817 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,040 Yeah, that's what I'm I've finished everything. 818 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,880 I would just, I would crawl if I had to. 819 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,200 So you see some terrible times for me. 820 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,440 So I've just finished in a state. 821 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:53,800 I've only ever DNF D once out of 62 ultras, so I I like your 822 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,920 spirit. Yeah, I you mean you shoot me, I 823 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,920 think. I've just thought of another 824 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,640 question as well. Before we sign off, you say 825 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,880 about a 25 lap track. Would you not consider doing the 826 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,920 24 hour track race? I've seen quite a few of that 827 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,360 and actually when I first started running and I'm going to 828 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,080 book his name, but I've done a little bit with kind of Marco 829 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,240 Kinsane. Yeah, in Derby. 830 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,120 So the guy took me on. Jude was friends with them, so 831 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,920 this is maybe 6-7 years ago. So I used to get him running the 832 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,600 Kilpatricks and all that with a group of them. 833 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,280 So yeah, I know he used to do a lot of that and he'd be changing 834 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,120 direction every four hours or whatever it is. 835 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,600 Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure. 836 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,840 Again, the guy's on the bike with me. 837 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,760 He takes my videos and stuff like that for my Instagram. 838 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,880 David, he's done quite a lot of ultras. 839 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,560 He's been done and done maybe 50 KS on the track on his own that 840 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,640 he's done 100 kilometers on a 2 mile loop over by just where we 841 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,880 stay. But 24 hours on the track, I 842 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,880 don't know. So that's a lot not. 843 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,160 Yet. Not yet. 844 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,600 There's a British fest up for grabs or something like that, or 845 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,920 something big to win maybe. But yeah, it's you need a good 846 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,400 Spotify playlist for that, I think. 847 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,680 I know that Marco and Debbie know about the British best, so 848 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,000 they'll keep you right? Yeah, no, it's I prefer to do 849 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,320 the kind of payer 50K start with that one a little bit. 850 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,360 I've done some training runs for that. 851 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,840 I'd love to go and smash one of them out. 852 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,280 I like the idea of. That's why that kilometre looks 853 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,040 something like that, maybe a little bit longer. 854 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,080 Something like that. Yeah, I. 855 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,960 Prefer that so it's about 400 meters. 856 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,320 Well, we will see your name on the start list soon for an ultra 857 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,240 and many other shorter races, I'm sure. 858 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,240 From me, it's goodbye. Thank you Nikki for being Nikki. 859 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:45,920 Thank you, John for joining us. Thanks for coming on, John. 860 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,800 No, it's been a pleasure. Thank you all. 861 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,280 Right, see you.