1 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,000 Hello and welcome to another episode of Run Till You're Done. 2 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Tonight's guest is a lady that really does inspire me and the 3 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,760 running community. She's done quite a lot of things 4 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,120 that do inspire me and I've been desperate to get it on the 5 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,960 podcast and to tell a story and find out how she got started. 6 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,760 So welcome to the podcast, Michelle Young. 7 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Hello, thank you for having me. Hello, Michelle. 8 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,920 Nick is an introduction, but I don't know much about you. 9 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,320 So we're going to start off with our normal. 10 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,360 First question is how did you get into running? 11 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:07,360 So by complete accident, genuinely I was not a runner. 12 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:17,880 So about 2012 I used to go out walking my dog who I no longer 13 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,880 have. But I used to walk my dog around 14 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,040 this route, sort of a 5K route every day. 15 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,640 And most days I would pass this chap who was also walking. 16 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,520 And, you know, we would just have the niceties of, oh, hello, 17 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,520 hello. And I knew he was a runner 18 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,280 because I would sometimes see him running. 19 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,920 And he said to me one day, do you run? 20 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,880 I said, no. He said, well, you walk so fast 21 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,040 and you should just try running. And I'm like, Nah, I'm not like 22 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,720 I'm not a runner. I had tried running sort of when 23 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,720 I was probably in my 20s. And I just thought, this is not 24 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,840 for me. I like, I never ran at school. 25 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,400 It just wasn't for me. I was mowed into my mountain 26 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,160 biking and stuff. So anyway, once he said that, I 27 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,480 say, I sort of thought to myself, well, maybe I should. 28 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,600 Maybe I will just try running when I'm out walking the dog. 29 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,000 And it was kind of got to like a personal challenge how long and 30 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,960 quickly I could get round this, this route that I used to do 31 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,760 regularly. And I just genuinely started 32 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,440 sort of walk jogging, you know, in my jeans. 33 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,280 I'd be like an absolute sweaty mess when I got home. 34 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:28,480 And I probably did that for probably for a few months and 35 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,480 then I must have got some running gear and, and started 36 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,320 running. Didn't have a clue. 37 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,840 You know, I just got something that was more comfortable than 38 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,120 jeans and just started jogging around this route, just sort of 39 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,600 walk jogging and and it just kind of went from there. 40 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,080 And then I sort of had this arbitrary goal that I wanted to 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:56,360 run 10K by the time I was 40. I've never had any aspirations 42 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,440 to do anything. I thought I just wanted to do 43 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,000 the distance. It's not even that I wanted to 44 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,480 do a race. And I was AI was a member of a 45 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,920 gym back then, so it must have been on or around my 40s. 46 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:13,440 It was definitely before. And I went along to the gym and 47 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,880 I went on the treadmill and I just thought, right, I'm going 48 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,320 to do this 10K. And I did it. 49 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,360 And I think I probably would have told anyone that we don't 50 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,040 listen to anyone that looked my way. 51 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,040 It's like I just ran 10K. Look at me. 52 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,480 And I was like, I was so proud of myself. 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,440 And it came. That's how it started. 54 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,560 And I guess I just kind of got a bit of the running bug. 55 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:42,640 I also, yeah, I started a sort of running streak, which which 56 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,200 went on for maybe three years until I ended up with a stress 57 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,680 factor. But I'd been running for. 58 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,680 Yeah, I'd been running for a few years by then. 59 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,880 So yeah, that was, that was kind of it. 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,280 Didn't know any other runners. Never ran with anyone. 61 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,920 Just did it all. Just did it all myself in secret 62 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,000 almost. And your first 10K was on a 63 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,840 treadmill. Oh, yeah. 64 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,520 I, I don't mind the treadmill run. 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,960 I've quite not regularly, but I've done many half a marathon 66 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,560 on on the treadmill. I can just, if I'm, if that's 67 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,120 what I'm locked in to do, if I've got it in my mind that 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,480 that's what I'm going to do, I'll just do it. 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,160 And I can just switch off and just find stuff to watch, 70 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Netflix, podcasts, YouTube. Yeah. 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,720 You're you're running streak. How far was your most most 72 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,960 people have got you have to do this much 5K or whatever in a 73 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,040 day. What? 74 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,640 What was your streak? It it probably was around 75 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,880 because I wasn't running big. Well, I say I wasn't running big 76 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,280 distances. Probably the most I would have 77 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:52,280 done because I'd done a couple of marathons, but I would 78 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,800 probably do absolute minimum and male. 79 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,080 But I had sort of a route. I didn't have any idea how far I 80 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,480 was running because I'd never heard of Strava. 81 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,040 I didn't have a Garmin. I didn't know there were things 82 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,200 that you could plot roots on and sort of going out with a little 83 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,800 trundle heel. I didn't know how far I was 84 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,680 running, so I had sort of a 5K route and that would be what I 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:20,200 did every morning. Sometimes I would jazz it up and 86 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,280 go opposite direction, but I'm a real creature. 87 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,520 I have it. So yeah. 88 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,160 I think the minimum I would let myself do would have been a 89 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,960 male, but I've honestly no idea of what distances I was doing. 90 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,840 If you hadn't got your stress fracture, do you think you'd 91 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:38,520 continued it? Yeah, I think so. 92 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,040 It was almost, it wasn't a good, it wasn't a good thing, but I 93 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,080 kind of, it broke that. It broke that feeling of I have 94 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,760 to go out and run every day. Now don't get me wrong, I do 95 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,200 still like to run every day, but I don't have a meltdown if I 96 00:05:54,200 --> 00:06:00,200 don't. Yeah, I, I did a, a run streak. 97 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,600 It was 10 miles a day and I did it for 100 days. 98 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,200 And I, I got to the point where I was doing it for the sake of 99 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,160 doing it, not because I was enjoying it. 100 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,840 And I got to, it was like, right, that's 100, That's a 101 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,880 round Number because it means nothing to anybody apart from 102 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,520 me. I'm stopping now. 103 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,320 Yeah. So you progressed from your 104 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,320 thank you on the treadmill. What was your first race that 105 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,280 you entered and what prompted you for that? 106 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,920 So my first race was Edinburgh Half Marathon in 2014. 107 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,600 So I'd obviously done a couple of years of just plodding around 108 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,320 the streets and thought I don't even know why. 109 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,560 I don't know why I did it. I can't remember if so, my dad 110 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,800 had my dad was diagnosed with leukemia now he was diagnosed 111 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,680 when I was 40. So I think the first one I did 112 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,560 for charity and I think there was just a bit of that and it 113 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,440 was just a bit of I'm just going to try it and see if I can do 114 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,080 it. I didn't honestly didn't have a 115 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,080 clue and I probably hated it and finished it. 116 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,520 And when I had that initial high in thinking, no, I'm never doing 117 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,400 that again, but I did. So that was, that was my first, 118 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,160 my first race, but, and to be honest, I didn't realize I how 119 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,480 many Rd. races I had done. I remember doing the half, the 120 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,040 Edinburgh half once, the Scottish half once. 121 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,840 And I knew I had done the Edinburgh marathon twice. 122 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,960 But when I looked back in total I had done, I think I did 7 half 123 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:48,400 marathons and the two marathons and yeah, the last, the last 124 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,520 full marathon I did and I swore that was it. 125 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,960 I was not doing anything that long again. 100% never again and 126 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,320 then a friend sorry when you go. Were they, were they all on road 127 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,920 then? Yeah, yeah. 128 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,680 Yeah, and this, I mean, I remember, I remember going into 129 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,480 a running shop which is no longer in existence. 130 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,480 And I, I must, I don't know what I was running in, but they had 131 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,040 sold me. I didn't have a clue. 132 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,280 They sold me a pair of trail shoes to go and do this road 133 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,400 marathon. So I so, I mean, honestly, it's 134 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,600 that's how clueless I was. Didn't have a clue about 135 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:34,120 anything. Yeah, but that was that was the 136 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,880 the road marathons and then and then the ultras started. 137 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,480 You're Edinburgh either half a marathon? 138 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,960 Did you get one of the infamous medals? 139 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:53,320 I think, I think I have. Yes, I have. 140 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,280 For anybody, any listener who doesn't know, one of the medals 141 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,800 look like a male appendage if you looked at it from reverse. 142 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,960 Yeah, yeah, I thought I've always had. 143 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,080 Sorry, Nikki, Sorry. Sorry, I was just thinking that 144 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,520 when you said infamous, I was thinking you, I mean, did you 145 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,600 just get a medal? And I thought Michelle's quick, 146 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,600 so I shouldn't have got a medal. Yeah, no, there have been. 147 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,280 There was one of the Scottish halves where they didn't have, 148 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,760 they don't have medals for anyone at the end. 149 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,840 Yeah. That so that's I've been in that 150 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,680 situation as well. That's fine. 151 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:40,840 So going from infamous medals to maybe more favorite medals, but 152 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,360 honestly, a medal, you're doing a race because you enjoy the 153 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,000 race. Have you got a favorite race 154 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,920 that you've done? There's many and they're all my 155 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,640 favorite for for different reasons. 156 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,080 I think my can I have two favourites but. 157 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,760 You can have. All my favourites, but if I had, 158 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,320 I can't just choose one, I can choose 2. 159 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,480 So I think my first favorite is Space and Wheel Tree Ultra 160 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,800 because it was the first ultra that I did and I love it up on 161 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,480 the Mori Coast. It's, it's one of my favourite 162 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,680 places in Britain. And it was the very first ultra 163 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,080 that I did. And I just again, I didn't have 164 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,960 a clue. I kept waiting for mummy at 165 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,120 checkpoints and he's like, what are you doing? 166 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,640 Just run. And I just, I don't know why. 167 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,160 I just, I just didn't have a clue. 168 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,760 And the next time I went back to that, that's when I got my 169 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,440 stress fracture during the race. And then I went back to 1/3 time 170 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,840 and was amazed to be first lady in it. 171 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,840 So I have very fond memories from it being my first race to 172 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,360 be in the first time I I won a race was quite the thing. 173 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,080 And then the other has to be the waste island. 174 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:03,760 We for you know, it's it's beautiful. 175 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,680 The the course is just amazing. The I love the atmosphere of it. 176 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:16,560 It's it's such good fun. You know, you, it is a laugh and 177 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:19,840 I think so I've done that. Fortunate enough to have done it 178 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,600 three times. And 2023 was everything just 179 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,800 went right. And you know, I'd, I'd wanted 180 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,440 that, I'd hoped to get sub 24 and I got that within 5 minutes. 181 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,680 And my son always says that he, if it wasn't for me, mom, you 182 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,240 wouldn't have got that because he basically ran off down the 183 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,880 fire road. And I thought, well, I'm going 184 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,560 to just have to keep up with them. 185 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,920 So. So yeah, he, he takes the, he 186 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,880 takes the credit for that one. So they're probably my 2 187 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,120 favourites. But other races, you know, where 188 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,400 I've had to dig deep, where it's been, it's just been awful. 189 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,920 And you think, what, what am I doing? 190 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,520 This is just horrible. I'm kinda, they're my favorite 191 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,200 in different ways that I've had to dig deep for them. 192 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,280 And yeah. What, what do you think's the 193 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,440 the deepest that you've had to dig yourself out of? 194 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Probably hauling off my hauling myself off the Kenlock, leaving 195 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,760 Sports Center floor AT3O clock in the morning thinking I've got 196 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,360 to go and I'm not. Yeah. 197 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,960 So feeling physically unwell during the waste Highland we and 198 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,760 having macerated feet on the southern upland we during the 199 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:37,680 ultra Scotland hundreds. So they've probably been the 200 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,160 toughest. They're the ones that come to 201 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,600 the front of my mind. Yeah, has been the the toughest 202 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,160 ones. But but I'm also quite. 203 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,600 They're my favorite just for different reasons as well. 204 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:51,880 You men, you mentioned the ultra Scotland 100 there with your 205 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,960 macerated feet, your desires to do race across Scotland. 206 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,880 Yeah, that was the answer to one of my later questions. 207 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,840 But there's something, there's something about the southern 208 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,040 upland. We I have done the full route 209 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,120 with, with my friend Neil, who I do lots of running with. 210 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,960 We did it over a number of weekends. 211 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,760 So we do sort of point to point and and split it over I think 212 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,040 four or five weekends. It took us months just because 213 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,680 of trying to get timings and stuff. 214 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:30,880 But I have done the full thing and the middle section it's it's 215 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,920 just breathtaking. The the scenery is just, it's 216 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,480 just incredible. It's just so vast. 217 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,680 It's you're just, it's, it's lovely. 218 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,960 And I've had days up there where Neil and I have thought we were 219 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,800 going to die. I mean, I can laugh about it 220 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,320 now. It wasn't funny at the time. 221 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,320 We took in turns to be panicking. 222 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,000 And it was kind of like, yeah, so there is something, there's 223 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,920 something about the Southern Upman way that's that's drawing 224 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,040 me to doing something bigger. But I have to learn how to look 225 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,800 after my feet first. But what's Neil's surname so we 226 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,200 can give him a shout out? Neil Ramsey, Yep, he's the one 227 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,800 that got me into all this ultra nonsense, he said. 228 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,840 Sign up for Space Sideway and worry about it. 229 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Neither the time, OK. You've got a really nice segue 230 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,840 and so I think you read my mind there because what I my next 231 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,760 question that's not on the set was going to be how did you 232 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,280 progress from I am never doing this distance from a road 233 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,800 Madison ever again to becoming the ultra runner? 234 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,840 How I know you know? Yeah, so it's through, it's 235 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,400 through Ian, my husband. It's it's a friend of it was a 236 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:41,400 friend of his. And we'd been in the pub and he 237 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,400 happened to mention that he was doing this race the space eyed 238 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,760 way ultra. And I think my ears probably 239 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:52,040 picked up for two reasons. I was like, oh, space ice baby, 240 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,440 I love it up there. What's what is what's this 241 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,160 ultra? What is what are you talking 242 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,400 about? And, and he sort of, you know, 243 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,160 he explained it and I thought, that's mad. 244 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,040 You know, imagine, imagine doing a marathon and then having to 245 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,480 keep going for another, I don't know, like 12 miles or 246 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,240 something. That's just insane. 247 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,600 How can you do that? And I think it just sort of it 248 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,640 just planted a seed. And as I say, Neil said to me, 249 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,280 just sign up for it. You know, this was probably 250 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,280 early in the year, maybe February, March time. 251 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,960 Just sign up for it and and worry about it neither the time. 252 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:31,520 So that's exactly what I did. And then you caught bug. 253 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,000 Yeah, yeah. When you've done space side, was 254 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,800 it Kyle? Was Kyle taken over or was it 255 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,160 back when Sarah was still in charge? 256 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:46,040 That was Sarah, Yeah. So we used to go for the the 257 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,040 they would do like a Curry and Bucky, Yeah. 258 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,720 So yeah, it was great. They were great races. 259 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,440 Yeah, I've, I've done them myself. 260 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,160 The other questions when I asked was macerated feet. 261 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,360 How did you get over them and finish with them? 262 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,680 I don't know. I don't know that. 263 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,080 I don't know what to do. I don't know how to deal with 264 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,160 it. I remember I'd gone into, I 265 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,640 forget what the checkpoints called, but there's a bit on the 266 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Southern Upland Way, one of the checkpoints you have to run past 267 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,200 the the Southern Upland Way to this hall, the name which 268 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,240 escapes me. And my feet were just so, so 269 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:34,280 sore. And the, the crew, not the crew, 270 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,200 the volunteers weren't allowed to help you. 271 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,040 And I remember I was, I just feeling sick. 272 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,120 My feet were so sore. It was the middle of the night. 273 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:50,040 The weather was horrible. And I thought I had to taken off 274 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,560 my socks and shoes. You know, I was going to put dry 275 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,800 things on. And he was kind of, you just 276 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:59,240 need to let them dry out a bit. So not knowing what to do, I 277 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,160 didn't know you had all this kit in my box, but I didn't know how 278 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,200 to, how to use it, you know, didn't know where to start. 279 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,240 And I thought that all I can do here is try to let them dry out 280 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:16,000 the best I can and then put on dry dry socks. 281 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,079 But then you're putting them back into dry shoe. 282 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,760 Sorry, wet shoes. So got my feet back, got my 283 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,800 shoes back on, went off into the night, threw more bogs. 284 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,080 And I remember so I didn't. I had never had macerated feet 285 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:39,160 before and I'd come down to the side of Saint Mary's Loch and it 286 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,520 was mourning by then and I remember going along and saying 287 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,440 to my support runner Dave, who's just an absolute star. 288 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,680 I was like, Dave, I've I've got something in my shoe and I'm 289 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,280 going to have to stop as it's goofy and I think I've got glass 290 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,920 in my shoe. And I sat down at the side of 291 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,400 the lock and it was freezing cold and I took my shoe and sock 292 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,080 off and I just, I almost wanted something to fall out my shoe. 293 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,760 Nothing came out. And I thought, that's my foot. 294 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,120 My foot's just absolutely trashed. 295 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,440 I said I can't do this. And my crew was meeting me at 296 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,880 the end of the lock and I just thought, I don't think I can do 297 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,640 this. And Dave was just kind of like, 298 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,160 you can do it, you know, I think I probably only had only, I 299 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,840 don't know, 20 odd miles or maybe something that was maybe 300 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:32,280 about 80 miles in. So I don't know, I just, I just 301 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,920 have to try ignore it. And they, they healed up pretty 302 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,920 quickly after it. It's amazing. 303 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,280 Just as soon as you get them dry, how quickly they start to 304 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,640 feel better. But it is something that worries 305 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,880 me about going back to that route because I think if it 306 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,600 never rained again, that route would still be wet. 307 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,200 I think gravity is broken on the southern Auckland way. 308 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,880 The water just sits everywhere so. 309 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,160 Yeah. It's not nice and I've never had 310 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,240 macedrated feet like that again, fortunately, but. 311 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,200 Well, Dave, you said it was a star, so what's his name? 312 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,120 Oh, David Hanna, he, yeah, he's a, he's a an amazing runner. 313 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,880 He does. He does tough stuff and he has 314 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:28,400 very kindly run with me on each of my West Highland ways and and 315 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:33,040 the southern the Outer Scotland 100 as well, so he puts up with 316 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,680 a lot from me. I think that's important though, 317 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,360 to have someone like that on your crew that does know you. 318 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:44,560 And as you say, when you say, oh, I can't do it. 319 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,120 It's the crew member knowing that he can push you on. 320 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,800 Because some that I've read and heard from a lot of people never 321 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,160 have your spouse because they're oh, they're there, you know, or 322 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,960 they'll just say suck it up. Do you know what I mean? 323 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:01,160 It's well, exactly, exactly that. 324 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,320 So Dave ran with me. Sorry I'm jumping about here but 325 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,320 Dave ran with me this year in the West Highway again from He 326 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:14,080 always Comes with me Octo Tyre to Glencoe and from about Bridge 327 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:18,720 of Orchy to to Glencoe. I was, I was, I was just a 328 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,640 wreck. I just was, I was, I was 329 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,240 emotional. I felt rubbish. 330 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,800 I was in tears. And and Dave was just brilliant. 331 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,920 And when I got to Glencoe, the volunteers were lovely to me, 332 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,240 which made me cry even more. And Ian, my husband said to me, 333 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,920 we'll just stop. And I'm like, are you? 334 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,800 No, you muppet, why would I stop now? 335 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:45,280 Shut up. So yeah, the, the crew, they 336 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,320 know not to. They probably know you do want 337 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,920 to stop, but you don't really want to stop, Yeah. 338 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,960 You might want to stop at that particular time, but you will 339 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,800 regret it 2 minutes later. Exactly. 340 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:03,080 And I have so the the couple of times where I have wanted to 341 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,240 quit, I have had this internal dialogue and Dave said to me how 342 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,400 will you feel if you stop now? How will you feel, You know, a 343 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:17,000 couple of days after this and I do try to do the nothings acute. 344 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,440 I'm not there's your legs not falling off, you're not really 345 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,160 unwell. This is kinda normal. 346 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:29,920 So just get on with it. And at that section was it makes 347 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,880 Jelly baby that helped as well. That's. 348 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,760 Exactly what got me to Glenn. Cool. 349 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,960 I hope that wasn't all you were eating, but it definitely had an 350 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,040 influence. Yeah. 351 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:48,160 So fuel and I had fuel pretty well actually, probably up until 352 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:54,760 Octo tire. And then the heat of the day. 353 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,040 I'm getting the weather that day, I think from one O clock in 354 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,360 the morning till I finished at whatever time on Sunday morning. 355 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,000 Just tried to kill me. You know, it went from blistered 356 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,760 and hot humid to with a storm on the Latig Moor. 357 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,600 So I was like, yeah, just give me all today, it's fine. 358 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,880 But I didn't my fuel and just fell off a Cliff from from Alter 359 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,080 Tire and I think I got quite dehydrated as well, which I 360 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,480 ended, which is why I ended up in the state I was in and 361 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,320 Kenlock leaving. So yeah. 362 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,320 So compared to your 2023 when you said everything went right, 363 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:39,160 how would you normally feel? So I have, I feel like I'm going 364 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,040 full circle with my fuel. And I used to always just be, 365 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,320 I'd go out with real food. I'd go out with, you know, 366 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,640 peanut butter and jam sandwiches, chocolate bars, 367 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,000 crisps, dilutin juice in my bottles. 368 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,360 I never used to do electrolytes. I've never heard of them. 369 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:04,760 And so that was what that's how I'd fuel probably till maybe a 370 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,920 year ago, 18 months ago. And I think, I think the whole 371 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,080 gel thing, carbs per hour, it's just it's everywhere. 372 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,360 Everyone's trying to do X number of grams. 373 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:20,560 And I guess I jumped on the bandwagon and thought, I 374 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,920 wondered if gels would be easier. 375 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:27,040 I wonder if they'd make me not fall to bits after 10 hours or 376 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:33,760 whatever. So I did, I did use gels. 377 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,120 No, I've never used them exclusively, but for the waste 378 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:45,440 time and we did gels pretty much until maybe I'm trying to think 379 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,600 what's before Octo Ben Glass. I probably had something to eat 380 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,440 at Ben glass, but the more of the more I've thought about it, 381 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,360 I'm not fast enough to need gels. 382 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:01,960 I'm not doing that intensity, you know, just the view. 383 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,440 I'm, I'm, I'm almost going right back to, I'm just going to go 384 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,520 back to real food. Don't get me wrong, I've still 385 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720 got a pile of gels that are that I've got to use. 386 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,400 So I'll carry them and I'll maybe have them if I'm out on a 387 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,680 shorter run. But I think I'd much rather be 388 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:24,000 able to eat, even if it's less. I'd rather eat be able to eat 389 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,600 less for the whole thing rather than ending up in an absolute 390 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,360 state with nausea, which I know will always. 391 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,240 It happens, but I'm veering back to real food now. 392 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,560 You say for the jails for the shorter runs. 393 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,760 Would you fuel on shorter runs in your training with jails even 394 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:51,320 still? So yes, probably just to use 395 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:57,280 them, but I never used to again. I still every day is I'm 396 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:04,200 learning, I'm fueling. I've been pretty poor at I think 397 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,640 I've got a way for many years of I would never fuel. 398 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:14,120 So I do most pretty much all of my runs early morning, some 399 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,880 might say middle of the night, but that early morning for me. 400 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,680 And so the thought of eating something, anything before I go 401 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,160 and do that is kind of that's not appealing to me. 402 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,200 Yeah. But I'm trying to reframe it 403 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,640 and, and I think I'm getting more interested about the 404 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,040 recovery thing and how, you know, after a run, how I'm 405 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,400 dealing with the rest of that day and then the next day and 406 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:44,080 the next run. So yeah, I would, I've, I've 407 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,280 started trying to eat before a run, even if it's something 408 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,600 small and even if it's an hours run, you know, having something 409 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,120 before maybe having something during it. 410 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,320 So yeah, I might stick a gel in a pocket and but I think once 411 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,080 they're gone, I don't, I'm not convinced I'm going to go back 412 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,320 to them. And for the viewers and 413 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,560 listeners that don't know Michelle Michelle's on My 414 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,600 Strava, a lot of Michelle's run start in the morning with a 415 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,080 four. So you're saying eating 416 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,120 something small? And I can resonate with that 417 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,720 because the earliest runs I'll start at just before 5:00 or 418 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,240 5:00-ish when I'm on a good day and I've really got the mindset. 419 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:31,840 What would you try and eat? So I have been having a banana. 420 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,720 Right. And yeah, and I, I guess I'm 421 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,440 just, I'm open to trying to, to try something different. 422 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,800 So I'm kind of just like, well, they're, they're, they're easy. 423 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,040 So that's what I've been, that's what I've been doing. 424 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,000 So that I think this morning, that's what I had. 425 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,920 I had half a banana, you know, it's just, it's just something 426 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,040 going in. Yeah. 427 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,800 So will you have that and then go out straight away or will you 428 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,320 have that and then get ready for your run and? 429 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,800 Oh, I've not got time for that, Nikki. 430 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,840 Yeah, it's literally up running gear. 431 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,080 Yeah. Something you know, I wouldn't 432 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,560 normally, but it takes it takes no time to to eat a bit banana 433 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,840 and then and then run. And I was about, I did wonder if 434 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,040 it was going to like, I hate the thought of something like 435 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,720 repeating on me, like, you know, you're going along burping 436 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,440 banana or whatever. Yeah. 437 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,280 But it's but it's been OK. See, I worry about it going the 438 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,960 other way, especially in the mornings. 439 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,360 If I eat something, it kick starts. 440 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:47,080 That got going and everything. I'll admit I've had it once or 441 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,640 twice early morning runs, but I've tried it and I'm like, oh, 442 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800 my stomach doesn't feel good. But thankfully I don't venture 443 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,880 too far away from the house. So yeah. 444 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,680 No, don't get me wrong, back when I was when I just started 445 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:07,680 running, I think, I think that was a fear of mine, but it's, it 446 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,600 actually isn't now. And I think even I think the 447 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,440 older I get as well, I just like, I just carry stuff with 448 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,320 me. And it's like not if I'm going 449 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,720 local, but if I'm going out for a long day, I'll just carry 450 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,840 stuff. And it's like, well, got to go, 451 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,920 you got to go. So take stuff that means that 452 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,200 you're not like in an absolute state for the rest of your run 453 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,040 kind of thing. But no, I have been in the early 454 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,840 days. It it's just like my body was 455 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,800 like, what the heck are you doing shoogling me about like 456 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,080 this? Yeah, but it's not it's not a 457 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,160 thing anymore. And if I have eaten something 458 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,560 out of the ordinary the night before, I'll maybe do a 459 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,600 treadmill run because then the I'm in the garage. 460 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:56,080 It's fine. Well, going going from the 461 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:06,240 conversation of crap onto good things, what is your And you may 462 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,320 have already answered this for your three West Ham Lake 463 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,040 goblets, but what is your biggest running achievement? 464 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,960 Gosh, every single race I finish is an achievement. 465 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,800 You know, I think there's been I've had tough southern. 466 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,120 I keep going back to the southern of the way is. 467 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:39,640 I think I didn't appreciate how how tough that route is. 468 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,360 You know, it might not be as rocky as the West Highland way, 469 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,280 but there's some vicious claims in there. 470 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,080 You know, it's that was a big achievement, probably because it 471 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,320 was the furthest I'd gone just with it being that bit over 100 472 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:03,240 miles. Yeah, but you know, doing I've 473 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,080 done getting 100 miles in 24 hours. 474 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,440 So I've done a couple of 24 hour events where I've managed to get 475 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,040 100 miles and that's that's quite an achievement. 476 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:25,480 So yeah, I think being able to run 100 miles in 24 hours is is 477 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:31,600 quite an achievement actually. Well, 100 miles in 24 hours is 478 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,520 happens to be backyard pace. So have you ever thought about 479 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,800 doing a Backyard Ultra? I've done 2. 480 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,160 You've done 2. I've done 2 but I they were 481 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,520 never here. I come with my my intention was 482 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,600 never to get the 100 miles. They weren't. 483 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:54,360 So I've done, I've done the Highlander and I did have a bit 484 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,280 of a foot injury when I was doing that, but I also was doing 485 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,360 the Devil of the Highlands a few weeks after so and the weather 486 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,520 was, the rain was biblical. It wasn't my intention. 487 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:16,560 I think I did, I think I did 11 yards and I did the cowshade 488 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,160 backyard ultra as well. And I think I did 12. 489 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,920 And again, it wasn't it wasn't my my race. 490 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,160 I think I had the waste tile we actually wasted on. 491 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,400 I think it was 2023. I did that as well. 492 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:37,560 So, but I am signed up to do be Craig's and it will be 493 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,880 interesting. It will be interesting to see 494 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,040 how I feel about it because what I like about the just the 24 495 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:52,200 hour events is if I want to take longer at the end of one lap, I 496 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:58,560 can't wait as the pressure of the the the on the hour start 497 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,280 time. Yeah, it it puts a whole other 498 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,640 dimension on to it. But I am, I'm looking forward to 499 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:13,560 having another go at that, yeah. And off of the back of running 500 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,880 achievements, Michelle, I wanted to ask earlier on when you'd 501 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,480 mentioned that you'd came first female at space side, what was 502 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,880 that feeling like? Did you go out to become first 503 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,040 female on that race or did you just go out to run? 504 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:36,800 Just went out to run like genuinely, I just, it was just 505 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,280 one of those. It was just one of those 506 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,720 mornings where, you know, I started running and I thought, 507 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,360 oh, I feel feel quite good. I don't know about you, but when 508 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,360 I start, even if it's a, if it's a long social run or, or a race, 509 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,320 I can normally tell pretty early on how I'm feeling, You know, in 510 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,400 terms of do my guts feel right? Do my legs feel like they don't 511 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,000 belong to me sort of thing. And I think I set off and, and 512 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,520 felt good. And I remember as I passed past 513 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,640 another runner, someone saying to me, you'll never keep up 8 514 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,000 minute miles or whatever. And I'm I was again at that 515 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,520 time, I had no idea about pacing. 516 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,680 And I just kind of thought in my head, well, I'll keep going at 517 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,400 this speed for as long as long as you can. 518 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,600 So I just ran my own sort of ran along enjoying it. 519 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,440 It was, it was a nice day and my husband was actually Marshall 520 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,960 and one of the road crossings. And as I came through, he said 521 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,480 to me, you're first female. And I said, shut up, be mad. 522 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,040 You, you must have missed them. They'll all be up the hill. 523 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,800 You've been chatting to someone. Anyway, that was, that was about 524 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,440 13 miles in or something. I, I roundabout there and I 525 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,120 didn't believe him. And again, I just was in a wee 526 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,280 world of my own and, you know, plodding along and there's 527 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,880 another, there's another bit of a climb. 528 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,760 It's not a, it's not a hilly route, but there is a bit of a 529 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,880 climb at some point. And I don't remember at what 530 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,840 point. And I remember a couple of girls 531 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,639 going past me and I genuinely like, I couldn't have cared 532 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,920 less. I was just out doing my own 533 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,360 thing sort of thing. And we 2 and we sort of like 534 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,400 were weak frogging each other along this route. 535 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,880 And when we got to speedy, which is so the year before, where my 536 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,880 foot where I'd actually felt the break happen. 537 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,159 I kind of remember getting to that point thinking, oh, this is 538 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,320 where my foot broke last year. I hope that doesn't happen 539 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,480 again. And this other woman, I think I 540 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,760 passed her and she stopped to take, I don't know, she stopped 541 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,120 to get something. And I just, again, I didn't know 542 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,160 where I was in positions and ran past. 543 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,920 It used to be seen as mom and dad. 544 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,440 I think we always had their camper van at the end of the 545 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,720 woods before you go into the woods and went past there. 546 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:15,640 And I was just running along and passing people and just felt 547 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,920 great. And as you go into, I think it's 548 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,200 Ian's town or something, it's called, which I always remember 549 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,920 because my husband's called Ian. I think it is Ian's town. 550 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,080 Is that what it's called? I can't. 551 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600 Remember, anyway, people started saying, oh, you're doing great, 552 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,320 you're first woman. And again, I'm thinking you've 553 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040 got this wrong. You have to have this wrong. 554 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,880 And I kinda, I started looking over my shoulder and that was a 555 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,640 weird thing because I would never look. 556 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:50,960 I didn't, I didn't care. And I remember coming into Bucky 557 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,920 and people cheating me on. They're doing amazing. 558 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,720 And I, and I just thought, God, this is, this is, this is good. 559 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,240 This is really feels really nice. 560 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:07,160 And as I put, as I, as I ran up to the finish, lo and behold, I 561 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:12,040 was, I was first, first female. And it was, it felt amazing. 562 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,200 I mean, I was completely in disbelief. 563 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,000 I had no idea that was that. It was not my intention. 564 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,040 I'd I never ever would have set out to to try win something. 565 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,400 But it felt good and I think. There was. 566 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,720 He must have been the latest. What was that? 567 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,520 You must have been the latest. I was and she came in maybe like 568 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,800 a couple of minutes behind me. So it was really close. 569 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,160 Yeah, it was great. I think I got during that race 570 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,400 as well. I think I got my my marathon PB 571 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,520 during that ultra. It was like. 572 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,440 I've heard that happens a lot to like people that decide they 573 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,120 want to do ultra running like they end up getting them out of 574 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,080 the bearing ultras. Just because they're more fun. 575 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,960 My my marathon PV was during D33. 576 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,800 So there you go. Looking at the map, the only 577 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,600 thing I can see is Port Gordon, OH. 578 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,600 Is it? That's not Ian's time. 579 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,560 I don't. I don't know. 580 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,600 I. Think there is an Ian's time? 581 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,720 I'm sure there is a. I'm sure anyway, check 582 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:21,440 afterwards and I'll let I'll let you know if I'm completely off 583 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,720 but while mates. Try to look up Ian's town. 584 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,960 I'll ask the next question as to why do you run. 585 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:39,360 I love, I love being outdoors. And I think that goes back to my 586 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,360 dad like I would, we'd always go out walking, you know, at the 587 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,920 weekend. And my mum was she was a took me 588 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,600 used to take my granny out. My Gran had she was in a 589 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,440 wheelchair. She had a polio. 590 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,560 And we would always take my Gran out for big long walks. 591 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,920 Well, they felt like big long walks. 592 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,000 They weren't, but they felt like these big long walks, Gran in 593 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,240 her wheelchair and you know, mum pushing her. 594 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:06,880 And I just always like that what going and doing something and 595 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:13,040 maybe going a bit further than than people would normally like 596 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,560 a normal walk. And my dad would, you know, he 597 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,400 would, we'd go up to the, the Braid Hills in Edinburgh. 598 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:25,280 And I just like being outdoors. And I love being outdoors, 599 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,880 particularly in the, in the spring, in the summer when it's 600 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,680 really light, really early and it's, it's really quiet and 601 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:39,200 sunrise. And yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's 602 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,640 just great. It soothes my mind. 603 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,040 And I love being in remote places. 604 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,600 Yeah. I love how you can be out there 605 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,120 and you can feel like, oh, this is we're miles from anything. 606 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,720 We're miles from safety. But you kind of know you're 607 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,200 going to be OK. And. 608 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,800 And this and just the, the feeling of afterwards, you know, 609 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,080 when you've been something that's really nice to be about 610 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,200 in wild weather, sometimes they're the best when you're 611 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,440 getting absolutely pelted with rain and you're freezing and you 612 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,040 get back and you get all warmed up and it's just, it's just 613 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,400 nice. Outdoors is good. 614 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,880 And running, I guess you can go a bit further in a shorter space 615 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,640 of time kind of thing. You know, I like going for a 616 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,240 walk, but I always think if I was running this wouldn't take 617 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:24,000 me as long. I think that's the beauty of the 618 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,120 Pentlands, How 'cause I know you like that as a training ground, 619 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,280 how you're saying it can feel like you're in the middle of 620 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,680 nowhere but really in reality. Or you can see Edinburgh from 621 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,320 the top. It's such a cool place to go. 622 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,480 I love it. Yeah, they're they're, they're 623 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,720 my, I feel really lucky to have them so close by. 624 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,800 Sometimes Neil and I will run from our house to the Pentlands. 625 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,840 If we're if we're doing a long run, we can, we can do that. 626 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,320 But you know, I can be there in 15 minutes if I, if I drive over 627 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,120 in the morning. And it's, it's great. 628 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,760 Yeah. I I think I've found Ian's town 629 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,480 or Ianston as it's probably announced locally. 630 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:15,120 It's to the east of Bucky, so I'm guessing you don't go that 631 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,520 far in the race that you were talking about. 632 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,600 Is it Bucky? You do. 633 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,080 You come. Yeah, you do. 634 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,320 You definitely run because you run through it, because you 635 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,480 think you're almost there and you're like, where's this bloody 636 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,360 Bucky? And I'm pretty sure. 637 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,280 Have you done the any Akhiles races? 638 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:38,040 Because that'll take you along because it's, yeah, the, the 639 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,320 race that you're talking the original space sideway. 640 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,240 I, I think it finishes in Bucky. So you don't go that Far East. 641 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,600 Oh, do you know, I could have sworn that I ran through there. 642 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,760 And then by after Bucky, you got Vandocti Venacti. 643 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,600 Yeah. And and then it was on to 644 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,640 Cullen. So yeah, you're not. 645 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,200 Maybe it's so we we Quality and Cullen quite a lot. 646 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160 Maybe I'm misremembering from what I've been doing, but 647 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,520 anyway. But you're not done any races. 648 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,560 But you'll be checking your Strava map later. 649 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,600 And I will be dropping your message. 650 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,360 Did you do extra miles and you still won the race? 651 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,200 Absolutely not. Has been done before. 652 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,960 Right, the the next question is why do you run? 653 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,440 No, that's what we. First asked, I was busy looking 654 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,480 up the map and you, you took my question. 655 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,240 Oh no, it's not right. What do you think about while 656 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,920 you're running? Oh, any number of things. 657 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,680 I I never used to run with headphones, and probably in the 658 00:41:54,680 --> 00:42:01,440 last again, the last couple of years I've listened to podcasts. 659 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,160 If I'm out just on a train and run, I'll put podcasts and 660 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,240 races. I don't listen to anything other 661 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:13,720 than the thoughts in my head where I'm trying to do the old 662 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:16,080 mathletics. How many miles have I still got 663 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,840 to go? If I do it this fast, when will 664 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,440 I be finished? When can this finish? 665 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,600 But yeah, just just random, like thoughts just come and go in my 666 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,480 head. It's a busy place in my head. 667 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,600 And it's just like a mash of don't know what I'm going to do 668 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,920 that day, what I'm going to do next week, you know, just it's, 669 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,280 it's dead, random, nothing in particular. 670 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,600 And, and do you remember afterward? 671 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,920 Like if you've had a brilliant idea, it's going to save the 672 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,600 world, it's going to solve the energy crisis, And do you 673 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,200 remember any of it afterwards? No, absolutely not. 674 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:04,920 Good, because they're right. So moving on from thinking about 675 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,760 what you think about when running, what have you got 676 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,760 coming up for the rest of the events wise or running wise in 677 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,920 general? So I've got the noon on 678 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,080 Saturday, which I'm quite looking forward to because I've 679 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,440 never been there. So I'm looking forward to that. 680 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,680 You know, I'm going with Gomer, my mate Neil. 681 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,280 I know other people that are that are doing it and it really 682 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,120 is as a social as a social weekend for me. 683 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,160 This. I've not done much racing this 684 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,320 year and the races I've done I've I've put ridiculous amounts 685 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,200 of pressure on myself. I had my first, I got tamed out 686 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,560 in Gran Canaria in February and I didn't realize how much 687 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,840 affected me. And as much as I kind of 688 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,880 thought, God, I had a fear of being tamed out on every race 689 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:06,520 I've done since then. So I'm looking forward to going 690 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,840 to an organized event, a route that I don't need to think 691 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,680 about. It's it's there and and being 692 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,640 around and being around other people. 693 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,960 And then I've got Bena he on in October. 694 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440 And I am literally doing that for the T-shirt. 695 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,800 It's a great T-shirt. And what does it say on the 696 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,720 T-shirt? Bum scalped it. 697 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,760 Benny Ultra Marathon being bum. So yeah, I've got that in 698 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:44,480 October and then I've signed up for the Arc of Attrition 50 in 699 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:49,840 January on a whim. The things tracing me out most 700 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,080 about that is the logistics of getting there. 701 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:59,760 It is the absolute arts end of Britain and it'll be winter. 702 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,920 So that's I guess that's it's not an A race, but it's one that 703 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,520 I'll I want to do it. I want to feel good doing it. 704 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:17,240 You know, I want to to finish it feeling strong and not, you 705 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:21,120 know, get my feeling right and and just and feel strong through 706 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,920 and enjoy it. So that's, that's, that's the 707 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,080 rest of this year and start of next year. 708 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,040 Yeah, could be a good one. It's quite an iconic race on a 709 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,000 lot of people's bucket lists. It's seldom mine with it always 710 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,520 landed on my birthday weekend. Yeah, I don't when I'd I'd my 711 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,760 friend Dave that I'd mentioned he did the he did the 100 this I 712 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,200 think it was this year he did it and he said to me, you hate you 713 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,280 hate mud, cold, dark. Why? 714 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,520 Why are you doing that? And I don't know, part of me 715 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,560 wants to go and do things that it's kind of like, feel the fear 716 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,920 and do it anyway, you know, if they were all just lovely, then, 717 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,320 yeah, you know, and it might be nice down there. 718 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,960 We might get a nice crisp day. You never know. 719 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,040 We don't know what weather could be like in the UK in January. 720 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,680 Look at winter. Spain last year or the year 721 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,160 before when Jack's got time. The record? 722 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,320 Hot as January and God knows how long. 723 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,520 Yeah. Yeah. 724 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,640 So yeah, a few things to look forward to. 725 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,280 And you mentioned that earlier on, I think I nabbed this 726 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,680 question off you and you gave a bit of an answer as to dream 727 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,320 races or bucket list races. Aside from Wrasse, is there 728 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,640 anything else that's on your radar? 729 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,280 There, there isn't really I, I think, and it's not necessarily 730 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:54,840 a race, but I'd like to see if I can do longer than 100 multiple 731 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,040 nights. And again, it's, you know, 732 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,040 during the West Highway there I was telling everyone, anyone 733 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,800 that would listen to me. I'm never, I'm not cut out for 734 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,520 this long distance. And but there's just something 735 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,480 when you see other people doing it and they're, they're just 736 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,400 amazing. And I'm going to say they're 737 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,960 ordinary people. What is it, you know, if people 738 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,520 say they're ordinary people doing extraordinary things and 739 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,560 it's, yeah, I might fail. I wouldn't go into thinking I'm 740 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,160 going to fail, but I just would love to know if I could, if I 741 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,120 could make my body go from, you know, from one side of the 742 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:40,480 country to the other and, and do that, do that longer distance, 743 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,120 it'd be it'd be an adventure. I did tell Ian and he just sort 744 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,760 of shook his head and said, for God's sake, Michelle, which 745 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,680 spurs me on even more. There are easier ways to get 746 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,320 from one side of the country to the other. 747 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,320 Well was there not just someone recently that did the did an FKT 748 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:10,560 up north at the shortest? Yeah, there was, yeah, from West 749 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,680 of ullapool to Dornish, the shortest coast to coast in the 750 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,680 UK. Yeah, but where's the fun in 751 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,520 that? Yeah, so and so I don't have, 752 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,840 you know, yeah, there's races that I love watching, but 753 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:32,440 they're not necessarily, they don't necessarily have me 754 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,600 thinking I want to go and do them like UT MB, I love watching 755 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,880 them, Western states love watching them. 756 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:45,400 But that racing abroad is, it adds a whole other level of, to 757 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,360 me, stress. Yeah, You know, I get stress 758 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,920 going on holiday. Adding to that, taking all your 759 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,840 stuff for running. My mind's blown. 760 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,080 I can't. So I think the older I get, I 761 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,680 want to keep things more local. Going to England is far enough. 762 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,000 Yeah, yeah. And as you say, UTMB, from the 763 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,080 looks of it is an absolute suckass. 764 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,520 Like the amount of people that are at it. 765 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,280 I mean, it's, it looks an amazing course and an amazing 766 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,120 event, but to run in that, I mean, I, I don't do well in 767 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,560 crowds so that it would put me off. 768 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,600 You would hate the start of UT MB is you see the pictures of 769 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,960 Tour de France where all this sort of French people are not 770 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,560 nicely French, but in France there's a crowd in the street 771 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,920 and the cyclists can't even get through the gap. 772 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,400 That's kind of what it feels like with the start of the UT 773 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,240 MB. Yeah. 774 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,800 I don't know how busy. I mean, the arcs are UT MB 775 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,560 based. It's obviously it's, it's not 776 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,600 the UT MB, but I don't know how busy that will be. 777 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,920 I think that might be pretty busy as well. 778 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,520 I don't know if it might be the same as Lakeland. 779 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,640 You know, that's that's huge numbers of people. 780 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,400 So it'll be fine. I think Kellogg is busy, but I 781 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,480 think they do. I think it's about like flinging 782 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,360 that when they do carpet. I don't think there's that 783 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,680 course won't accommodate that one time. 784 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,840 I don't think so. It looks a good one. 785 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,040 Are you, I'm going to ask, are you going to do West Highland 786 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,360 Way twice more so that you can get your, you don't have to be 787 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:31,720 in the ballot entry. I would love to do it as many 788 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,520 more times as I can. It's a yeah. 789 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,120 The thing about doing it five times, then you to use that 790 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,880 right you have to do it 6 times. Yeah. 791 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,360 Yeah. And then if you do it 6 times, 792 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,720 you then do it four more times. So you get your the cancer. 793 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:55,560 So you may as well, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's it's just 794 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,960 love. There's just something about it 795 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,840 from a, from a, It's O'Neal. Sorry if I'm gassing on here, 796 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,880 but my friend Neil, my love of the waste time we came from 797 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:11,160 joining him on, you know, they do the sort of organized social 798 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,600 run in the January and he was doing the race that year. 799 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,560 And I had gone along and just when I went along on that social 800 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,720 run and and I just thought I want to be part of this, but 801 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:28,120 couldn't imagine myself ever running 96 miles. 802 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:34,240 But then think, you know, I did. And and I just love it. 803 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,320 And every time I do it, I say never again. 804 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,360 But there's just something about it. 805 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,480 And you just yeah, you just if you. 806 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,120 Yeah, I just want to get to the end of it once I start it. 807 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,800 You, you mentioned that you want to do a race where you're 808 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,120 running through multiple nights. I, I can tell you that there's 809 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,800 something Lord of the Rings special about breaking the 810 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,440 second dawn. So as well you got to, if you're 811 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,720 getting into the second night and you need inspiration, just 812 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:08,240 think about how great it's going to be running into this the, the 813 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,120 second day, the second dawn as the light breaks through. 814 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,720 So I I recommend that. For Have you For have you done 815 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:22,600 race across Scotland, Mike? I've not no I the the first year 816 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:28,000 it was run, I was invited, given a a place and I couldn't accept 817 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:34,160 it because that was the my wife was due her child. 818 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,200 OK. A couple of weeks after or 819 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,000 before. So it's just like, no, I, I 820 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,360 can't risk being in a different part of the country. 821 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,720 No. And it's not like me to turn 822 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:50,440 down a free race, so. I know, but I think, you know, 823 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,440 it's, it's getting more and more popular as as well. 824 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,320 These, these races. It's, I mean, in the short space 825 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,200 of time that I've been participating in ultras, I've 826 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:06,360 noticed it's just blown up with the popularity and the number of 827 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,320 races that you can, that you can do, but certain ones are 828 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,360 becoming just more and more popular. 829 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,920 So yeah. Before I may cast the next 830 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,640 question, Michelle, which we're probably going to wrap up the 831 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,640 interview, I just want to know you do these big hundreds, 50 832 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,120 Milos and that do you have a preferred distance that you 833 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:35,320 really enjoy? I don't, I don't know, because 834 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:42,080 if you're having a good day, you know, then then it doesn't 835 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,560 matter, you know, you might be out for 1/2 marathon and I was 836 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,040 great. It was challenging, but it was 837 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,960 great. I, I don't know if I've got a 838 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,480 preferred distance. I mean, Saturday I'm looking 839 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:03,200 forward to, you know, I shouldn't, I hope all being 840 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,800 well, you know, I managed to eat for for that length of time, my 841 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,360 legs won't feel too trashed and to finish not feeling absolutely 842 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,480 wrecked will be will be nice. But I like a challenge. 843 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,880 And as well, if it's a nice course, then yeah, I like to go 844 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,920 for long, long runs. I've done most of the route but 845 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,280 I've never done the race. My father-in-law stays near the 846 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,640 noon. So I've been down there, but say 847 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,280 I haven't done the whole route because on the I think it's on 848 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,040 the way. Like you go around, it's around 849 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,160 a lock and then you're coming back. 850 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,880 And rather than following the normal route, I will up in the 851 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,960 hills. So just to make it harder. 852 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,000 Yeah. Right, on to the the final 853 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,360 awkward question to wrap it up. Is there anybody that you can 854 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:09,320 think of that you would aspire to either run with, race with 855 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,760 wherever you want. They can be alive or not, 856 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,520 fictional or not. Yeah, so I did think about this 857 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,720 one and and I'll try not to get emotional. 858 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,520 I would. I'd love to run with my family, 859 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,400 my parents and my husband and son. 860 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,480 You know, my parents gave me a love of the outdoors and I'm 861 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,920 always quite envious when I see people my age running with their 862 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,240 children. And I think I think that's 863 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,040 amazing. I would love to have had that 864 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,840 with my parents. And it's just that it's that 865 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,880 it's a generational thing now. You know, I don't, you know, 866 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,680 people my you do get people my parents age running, but it 867 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,640 wasn't the thing back then. And I think I'd love to see or 868 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,680 I'd love to see your trails with them. 869 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,880 And, and my husband as well, who isn't a runner and had never 870 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,600 been in the Pentlands until last year when I took him for a walk 871 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,040 up in the hills. And, and my son as well. 872 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,480 You know, I saw them, these pictures and I sometimes think 873 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:25,280 they don't, they don't get the real sense of adventure and, and 874 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,480 what it's like. So they're the people I would 875 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,400 love to go on a trail run with and, and be in beautiful parts 876 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:38,520 of the country and, and the, all the, the vistas that I see. 877 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,880 So sometimes I'll send, you know, I'll FaceTime my mum and 878 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,920 dad when I'm out. I did that once on the West 879 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,400 Highland we and I was sure, you know, turning the camera around 880 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,440 and showing them the, the views and yeah, they love it. 881 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,440 So that's, that's who I'd like to run with. 882 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,360 It will never happen, but that's who I'd like to run with. 883 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:04,960 Never say never, but I I think that draws us to a close. 884 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,800 Unless Nikki's got anything else to ask. 885 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,480 Nope, That's that was a great interview. 886 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,520 Thank you so much for coming on, Michelle. 887 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,800 Thank you for asking me. No problem at all. 888 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,160 Just bringing me to say thank you Michelle for coming on. 889 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,360 Thank you Nikki for being Nikki and it's goodbye for me. 890 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,560 Bye now. Thank you very much. 891 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,240 Bye.