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Welcome back to another episode 
of run till you've done 

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tonight's guest. 
I've known for about 18 or still

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years. 
We, we both ran our first ultra 

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together and since then I, I 
counted 14 times we've been on 

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the same finish line, not start 
line. 

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So God knows how many others 
training runs, etcetera. 

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A lot of the questions tonight I
got, I deliberately stood back 

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and let Nikki ask them because 
it's how we get to know people 

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almost. 
So somebody who I know is Sandra

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McDougal. 
But now Sandra B, welcome to the

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show. 
Thank. 

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You. 
I'm honoured to be here. 

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Thanks for coming on, Sandra. 
So as Mike says, I do owe you a 

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lot less than he does and a lot 
of us newbies in the community 

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in the last five years. 
So for us new people, how did 

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you first get into running? 
So it was through work. 

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I had started a new job. 
It was an oil and gas company. 

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I'm, I'm, I'm in catering. 
I'm a catering manager. 

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I've been all my life and I 
remember, I think I started in 

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the end of June and I remember 
says, oh, Oh yeah, you've just 

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missed out on our annual run. 
We always do this, this 5K every

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year. 
And I'm like, oh, thank God, I 

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missed it. 
It's like, but before we knew 

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it, we're back into coming round
to signing up for it for the 

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next again year. 
And I was like, Oh, no, I'm 

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going to have to, I'm going to 
have to do this run or the other

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managers to do and I can't be 
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And so I signed up for it and it
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Botanic Gardens, which doesn't 
happen anymore. 

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It was, it was a great one 
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because Titanic Gardens. 
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going to have to go and train 
for this because I hadn't run 

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since school. 
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run unless I was forced to. 
So I got paid, paid of trainers 

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out the cupboard and a pair of 
shorts for my holidays and 

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thought this would be easy. 
It's only three miles and I got 

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to the top of my street and I 
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It's like, oh, I'm actually 
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for this slide. 
So that was up 2000 and I'll 

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just look, I had to look it up 
actually 2005 just realised it's

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20 years since I started 
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So I think I trained for six 
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that was the first race, which 
was the the Jog Scotland 5K in 

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Botanics. 
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So I think I was about 35 
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absolutely thrilled to get this 
medal. 

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And I was like, Oh my God, I've 
just run 5K. 

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And then I went back to work all
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a fewers that used to come in 
like the right runner at 

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lunchtime. 
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them. 
And I was like, I've done this 

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5K and I'm really chuffed. 
And I think I'm going to do 

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another one. 
I'm going to go up to Inverness 

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and do it like because part of 
the, you know, they do the 5K in

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the time and somebody says you 
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could definitely do. 
I was like, do you think so? 

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I was like, no way, no, yeah, 
you've got, you've got five 

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months to train, but of course 
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And I was like, surely not. 
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I did the 10 key instead of the 
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And that was that. 
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Start of a. 
Rocky road indeed. 

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It wasn't that long afterwards 
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massive world of ultra marathons
going going from the races that 

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you just mentioned. 
Tell us how you can't be on the 

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start line with me. 
So at the finish of this race, I

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got given a goodie bag and 
there's a copy of runners world 

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in the in the goodie bag. 
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looking through this and like, 
that was the Bible. 

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I was like, my goodness. 
And then there's like, oh, 

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there's forums that you can 
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what like other people think of 
running and all that kind of 

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stuff. 
So I joined this forum and 

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runners world and but within a 
few months I had migrated to a 

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different website. 
I don't know, is the runners of 

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our websites still running, 
Mike. 

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I I don't think so, but I could 
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since I've looked at the forum. 
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thread on one of the forums and 
it was something about fetch and

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I was like. 
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chatting to people that I knew 
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migrated basically onto Fetch 
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just been looking at at the 
moment because all my runs from,

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I think I started logging runs 
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August, I think was, was when I 
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So every run I've done that's 
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on Fetch Everyone. 
Ian used to write all down. 

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He's been Diaries and he has, he
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every day. 
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if every run I've ever done, 
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great to look back and see all 
your PBS and all that kind of 

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stuff. 
But it's such a great website 

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and I met so many people through
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it's just been, it's brilliant. 
So Fetch is like to blame for 

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the ultras because then I met 
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George is a legend. 
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through Fetch and they went 
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They're married now. 
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knew each other through this 
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And I remember I was doing La 
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think, I think it was my third 
marathon and I'd asked George to

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pace me because I wanted to get 
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And so. 
And George said, Oh yeah, I'll 

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pace you, I'll be no bother. 
So he met me at my old one. 

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He had this bin bag over over 
himself like to keep yourself 

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warm while he was waiting on me.
And I was like, and we're 

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chatting about it's like, oh, 
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Did you? 
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was at the ratio. 
I was at ratio. 

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So this what race was that? 
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Sorry, it's called the Highland 
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And I was like, all right, how 
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And he sees 53 miles. 
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which I'd never heard of. 
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paced me to my 4:15 at like Alba
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So that was my first No one of 
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Ultron? 
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stupid like that? 
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that point. 
I wouldn't even get my I 

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wouldn't even run in grass. 
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dirty or anything like that. 
But I got I got roped into doing

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the really of the fling and 
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Will after when he says Sandra, 
you're going to do Are you sure?

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And they were saying what what 
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doing that? 
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be the best one for me to do so.
But yeah, that was, that was the

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first rocky road, the first 
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I, I think George has got a lot 
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I fully blame him for me getting
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And it's not the first mention. 
Keith Hughes, who was on the 

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show previously, he, he said if 
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George would be the person that 
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So yeah, yeah, a lot to answer 
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It has, it has and and yeah, but
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fact that we had that knowledge,
Mike, because it's the nowadays 

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so much out there for people 
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all new. 
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the West Army and the flame 
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You know, there was old ones 
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that the two veggies and things 
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But there was no real there was 
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came along and then suddenly 
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Now there's an ultra every 
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feel kind of assorted when I go 
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And I was like, who are all 
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I used to do every I used to 
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And you did as well, Mike, by 
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marshalling or if you're 
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At checkpoints, you'd know all 
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everyone. 
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It's incredible, which is a good
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I looked at the start list for 
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one, I think there's five people
and most of them were from my 

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running club. 
That was why I was looking 

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there, to see how they got on. 
Carol Martin was. 

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And Carol Murray was sweeping it
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I was like, this was, yes, 
another ultra that's on I hadn't

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even heard of. 
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We went from having three races 
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I wouldn't even begin to count 
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So yeah, spoiled for choice now.
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social media has got a heck of a
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way I came into this world was 
through Instagram, just making 

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connections. 
And you see this one doing that 

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race and it just as you say it 
grows arms and legs and then 

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before you know it, you're way 
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What I find astonishing, Nikki, 
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into ultras like blind is the 
wrong word. 

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Not not building up to it. 
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half marathon marathon and it 
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My first, my first full ultra 
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South Downs way. 
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I like to build. 
Ironically, went back so many 

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years later to do the 100. 
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I've speak to people on racism 
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I've never done a marathon and 
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that. 
Actually, you can't. 

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Well, I was, I was really happy 
because I put a post up about 

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West Highland Way and reflecting
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had so, so many people asking, 
are you putting your name on the

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ballot for this year? 
And this is no, because I've not

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had a year like I had in 2024. 
I had a really good year that 

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year and then my training, for 
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professional reasons, I've not 
had the time to train and I know

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for a fact I've got other 
professional things going on. 

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I've not even entered the devil 
in April because I cannot commit

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to the training. 
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It's six months of your life, 
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And I think if you want to do 
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it's six months of your life. 
And I'm not saying people like 

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don't take it seriously or 
anything like that, but from for

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me personally, if I turned up, 
if I turned up at a race, it's 

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because I want to do it to the 
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certainly for the full best I'll
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But obviously even for the 
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you have to be, you have to be 
selfish. 

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You have to say, I'm going out 
for a six well, 6 hour run, 8 

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hour run and you'll not see me 
all day kind of thing. 

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And that must that's difficult. 
And that's why you see less 

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people talk about wise or less 
women and the men and doctors. 

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And that's because the at home 
looking after the kids and 

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that's the way it unless you 
you've got that balance and it's

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quite difficult to do that. 
I used to get up, I didn't start

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running until Stephen was about 
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So he was, he was that sort of 
teenager. 

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Seems my son, he's 33, nurse or 
something like that now old and 

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I would get up at 5:00 in the 
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doing that because that's what 
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anyway. 
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that time. 
So that's why I've I got into 

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ultras quite easily. 
I could I was up at stupid 

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o'clock and running, you know, 
to work every day. 

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So I would get up and do my 20 
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of bed. 
So I couldn't have done ultras 

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when like when kids say I just 
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I don't know how people do it 
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children without having like 
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It's difficult. 
You've been doing it, Mike 

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Forum. 
Yeah. 

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It's not easy, is it? 
No, I. 

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You're a mental. 
Get up at 5 and go out for a run

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every morning. 
So yes, yeah. 

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And I I don't do that anymore. 
Like I'm I'm retired from ultra 

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run and now I'm definitely no, 
no, no, I just don't. 

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I don't want to and I don't, I 
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And Ian's not running anymore. 
That's that that's probably made

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Ian as my husband in case Emmy 
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So previous guest. 
Yes. 

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With him not running anymore, 
I'm having to kind of push 

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myself out the dwarf where 
there's crap and things that 

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I've heard before. 
We'd be like, I have to go. 

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I know I've got Molly, Molly. 
Everybody's like, oh, I've got a

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dog, you've got running dog. 
She's not really running dog. 

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She'll run with me reluctantly, 
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that I could strap her on and 
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She I pull her up the hills and 
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So yeah, it's like it's 
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into it and you can't. 
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no, we need to get the balance 
of women running. 

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many older women in ultra 

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running, it'll take a ultra 
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kids are older and it's easier 
to run. 

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Simple as that. 
There's there's no big 

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conspiracy about it or anything.
So you've said that you've got 

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20 years of experience of 
running and I was having a look 

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at your DUV record yesterday, 
just between from when you 

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started ultras and you've done 
self transcendence, is that 

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right In Perth as well? 
Which is basically a path, isn't

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it? 
It's not trail. 

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So do you prefer trail or roads 
for ultra? 

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I definitely prefer trail 
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when when the sums started up. 
So I've done I think every 

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single one except the. 
If anybody doesn't know what the

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sums is, does everybody know 
what sums is? 

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So Scottish Ultra. 
Tell us anyway. 

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Scottish ultra marathon series. 
So when there was only three 

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ultras in Scotland, this guy 
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wasn't it came along and decided
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the country. 
So the cataran was kind of born 

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by then because Dario had done 
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But space like we the air 
airway. 

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Well, obviously we're telling me
in the flying. 

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What else? 
What else was the new ones? 

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Oh the the Clyde stride, did you
mention that? 

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So George and Karen did that. 
So all these new races, I would 

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never have seen all these 
different places if I hadn't 

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done all these different ultras.
So I would never have been. 

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Has anybody been on the cataran 
trail? 

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When you go on the cataran 
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training for the cataran, I 
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days and do the whole thing and 
not see a soul. 

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The cataran trail is probably 
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done West all me a lot because 
it's it's beautiful and it's 

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kind of untouched and people 
know about it, but they're not 

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on it. 
There's nobody on it. 

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You you could just go and run 
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for like holiday. 
It's incredible. 

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And you don't get that obviously
on the West all me like I just 

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live half a mile from it and 
it's like I could do this 

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because sometimes so trail is is
my favorite. 

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But I like I like a good Rd. 
dress. 

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I actually thought I'd go mad 
doing the looks of that, but 

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actually really enjoyed doing 
the I do did enjoy doing the 

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perf and I I always did quite 
well. 

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I've won, I've won. 
I was second lady twice or 

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second and third, but I'm on a 
few Scottish Athletics medals 

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and quite tough myself for doing
that. 

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Neil Gibson once put up a blog 
saying about how he was, he was 

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admitting that he was a 
Roadrunner and as if it was a 

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bad thing. 
And I replied to him saying I'm 

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a runner. 
But it's like I I probably 

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prefer trails, but I just like 
running. 

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So if it's on the road, then 
it's on the road. 

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Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's
like you're not if you're a 

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trail runner, you're a trail 
runner. 

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There's, there shouldn't be, Oh,
this is best. 

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And that's, that's, you know, 
the whole camp thing. 

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It's like, you know, Scotland 
and England's kind of thing, 

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isn't it? 
His best Edinburgh and Glasgow, 

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Edinburgh. 
So yeah, it's, it shouldn't be. 

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I mean, I, I got a lot of my PBS
training for ultras and you're 

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only going to get these PBS by 
doing hard miles on on the 

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roads. 
A lot of them, you know, IPB of 

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like every distance when I've 
run out doing all my, my ultras 

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because you're working so hard 
and, and doing so many. 

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But a lot of these miles aren't 
just trail miles. 

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You're doing intervals, you're 
doing, you know, your speed 

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sessions and everything. 
It's not just rocking up and 

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just run a pill. 
Yeah. 

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And you mentioned that you stay,
what was it half a mile from the

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West Ham away? 
Yeah. 

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And was that an influence and 
why you moved to that location? 

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Yes and no. 
We I was obviously during 

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lockdown and when things have 
lifted a wee bit. 

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So for years and years we spoke 
about, oh, we should move to the

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countryside and get a dog. 
And where we were in Edinburgh, 

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we were in a sort of converted, 
it was a flat that was a 

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converted mansion. 
So it was only two bedrooms. 

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But Ian was trying to run a 
business from the spare room. 

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Just, it was just really 
difficult. 

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You know, we had to end up 
bringing the, the office chair 

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and it was just like, you know, 
it was busier than ever when, 

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when during lockdown. 
So we just kind of fast 

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forwarded our plans. 
I knew I wasn't going back to 

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work. 
I worked at Heriot University in

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a Business School, so I knew 
that that wasn't going to open 

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anytime soon. 
So we just passed where we did 

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our plans by, you know, 20 
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got a dog. 
So got Molly. 

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Ian had an office ready built, 
ready to move into. 

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So basically the first day we 
moved in, Ian was working next 

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day from his office and we were 
good to go and, and it was, 

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yeah, we had people here that we
knew. 

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So there's a few friends in the 
village and it was close to the 

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West Ham. 
So we had all these things, but 

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sadly a few months later Ian got
his heart problems and couldn't 

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run anymore. 
But yeah, that was our dream 

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location of like we're right 
next to the West helm. 

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We will be on it all the time 
and things like that. 

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And things have got curve balls 
get chucked in a way. 

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But so it was. 
And now obviously we've got Abby

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Moore. 
So we're in between the two. 

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We're kinda blessed. 2 National 
parks can't. 

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Complain at that. 
Out of the the whole West Island

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way because you obviously got a 
connection with that you've done

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there's three and some races. 
There's the Devil, the Fling, 

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the full West Island Way, and 
there's a couple of shorter ones

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as well. 
Out of all the races on the West

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Island Way, which one is your 
favorite? 

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The thing's my favorite and I 
think it's there's 2 two reasons

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for that. 
I just prefer the you get such a

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mixture of stuff for the fling. 
You, you know, you start off 

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it's quite flat through little 
guy and, and right down to here,

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right along and then and then it
just changes so much. 

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I feel that you get value for 
money of all the change and 

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stuff. 
Whereas the top half I find 

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really rocky and hard on your 
feet. 

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You know what I mean? 
Which is obviously difficult 

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when you're doing the whole 
whistle. 

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I mean this because by then your
feet are sore anyway. 

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But I just prefer the scenery 
for the first half of it, if 

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that makes it, which it sounds 
crazy because you're in Glencoe 

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and it's the most amazing place 
in the world for the 

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second-half. 
But yeah, I just think the 

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changing of the underneath your 
feet, the the rock climbing over

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lockside, all that kind of 
thing. 

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I just think there's so much 
change for the fling. 

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It just keeps you it keeps it 
fresh and exciting. 

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I think as the whereas the devil
you're it's not an eyeballs out 

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race, is it? 
It's more runnable, if that 

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makes sense. 
A lot more runnable. 

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You feel like you're having to 
run a lot more. 

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The fling you've got. 
It's it's like stoppy starty 

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stuffs and but it's like your 
Fling's my favorite basically. 

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And now you've said that you're 
up in Abbey Moor area and it's 

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got a selection as well. 
I think the E Highland way goes 

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through there, does it? 
But there are other races like 

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Larry. 
Yeah, Space Highway. 

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Larry grew. 
Larry. 

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Glenmore, Yeah. 
Have you got a favorite around 

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there? 
Have you? 

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Which ones have you been my? 
My my favorite will be Glenmore.

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I won the Glenmore 12 one year 
and that was the year I pulled 

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out West Hall Mary's The Wig 
bums. 

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I was just broken that year and 
I didn't I'd end up in hospital 

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the previous year and I really 
didn't want to end up in 

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hospital again. 
Bad for the race, bad for the 

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race director who you're married
to. 

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So pulls pulls out. 
And then because I'd put six 

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months of training and then to 
even though my ankles were were 

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starting to go like a bit 
broken, I'd got myself back to 

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fitness quite quickly and got a 
place in Glenmore and and I'm on

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it. 
So like just for the 12 I didn't

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do 24. 
So that is like that will always

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hold a wee special place because
you have anywhere you've got to 

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win. 
You'll, you'll and, but it's a 

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great race as well. 
It's so sociable. 

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You know, you've, you see people
living 2 miles and you see 

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people all the time. 
It's just the, the, the roars 

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you get from the camp and you 
come round. 

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That's just great. 
So it's a, it's everybody should

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go into Glenmore. 
It's various. 

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And going back to the West 
Highland Way, you've entered and

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completed the race how many 
times? 

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I've entered the four times. 
I've completed it 8 times. 

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And do you have a favorite year 
of completion? 

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My favorite year will be my PB 
year, which was 2015, which I 

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said I wanted to get sub 22. 
So we used to get a hospital 

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band number around your wrist 
and I picked 22 in that year. 

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So that every time I look to my 
wrist, 22, sub 22. 

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Sandra, keep it on 2157 is it? 
Oh amazing. 

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I nailed it. 
If you just think now if it was 

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at the current finish line, that
would add an extra 5 minutes on.

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But there's no Copper Alley now.
There's no. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, they've got it easy 

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nowadays. 
Things have changed so much. 

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Namaste, Ali, it says. 
We started on it initially Mike,

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like like how Pearly for 
instance that is now tarmac, 

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doesn't it? 
So but there's other things 

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that's and you know, tell he's 
probably said this has changed 

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so much even after being glass. 
He used to have to go through 

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fields and things like that. 
Now again it's nice and easy to 

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run on. 
So yeah, I don't know. 

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I would just I would train a wee
bit harder and I would have 

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trained for that distance to be 
that wee bit longer. 

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I knew that time. 
Although, you know, I came into 

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Linda Bra with my crew and Ian 
appeared because he knew 

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obviously he was watching 
obviously. 

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And he's like, you'll need to, 
you'll need to, this is where 

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I'm going to swear it says 
you're going to really need to 

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work hard. 
I went, I am fucking working 

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hard. 
It's like you're really going to

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have to work half a next 7 
miles. 

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And I'm fucking like, yeah, you 
think I'm not working hard. 

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So like I was like, maybe just 
going up this hill, like telling

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me to I need to work hard to get
this. 

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But yeah, it was just you're 
caught. 

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They were my crew. 
I didn't like him. 

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And watch, I think my gammon had
died by them that my crew 

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obviously knew. 
And they were like, right, 

444
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,920
right. 
We're just going to going to 

445
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,240
just run up this bit. 
And it got to the stage where 

446
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,880
Nick was like really worried 
about keeping up with me going 

447
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,040
down to fire or what? 
He's like, God didn't slow down 

448
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,480
standardization within 10 minute
mile and after 95 miles. 

449
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,680
So. 
So yeah, there's good times. 

450
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,520
And did you have the same crew 
every year? 

451
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,080
Always team Santa, Nick and 
Susan and I I met Nick and Susan

452
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,160
through fetch everyone. 
So I they've been lifelong 

453
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,080
friends. 
Susan was my bridesmaids when we

454
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,080
and he got married, but they've 
they've when I did the South and

455
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,240
various even and I didn't really
need crew, but they no, no, 

456
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,640
we're coming. 
So team Santa had to go. 

457
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,440
They they are wonderful because 
they just knew everything. 

458
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,000
They knew what I wanted. 
They knew they would run out to 

459
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,080
meet me asked what I want and 
come back in and just 

460
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,960
everything. 
There were nothing was too much 

461
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:08,920
trouble for them. 
Wonderful. 

462
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,280
Nick lives in Lincoln and would 
come up every year. 

463
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600
He'd come up and do training 
runs with us and Susan Dumfries 

464
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,480
and next link about was just and
the kid would have people coming

465
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,680
along and help. 
My son was there a couple of 

466
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,280
times my friend Jules and my 
friend. 

467
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,040
So we've had other people come 
and join for for different 

468
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,080
parts, but Nick and Susan were 
where Team Santa. 

469
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,840
That's Nick Dunk and. 
Nick. 

470
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,000
Dunk, Susan. 
Gallagher can't remember Susan's

471
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,360
last name there for a second. 
She was up looking after Molly 

472
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,160
last night while we were at 
Scottish then I'll take some 

473
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,080
words. 
How the other half live in 

474
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:53,280
Nicky. 
I know rubbing shoulders with 

475
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,800
athletes that Nicky doesn't 
know. 

476
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,400
Yes. 
Who's Ailey Doyle? 

477
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:03,280
Only the most decorative Scott. 
And I still don't know. 

478
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,040
And you, you said, you said 
about good times on the West 

479
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,320
Highland Way, but it's not 
always been good times. 

480
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,920
And I seem to remember 
compartment syndrome. 

481
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,640
Tell us a bit about that. 
So the the first year around the

482
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:27,880
West Harmony race I had done my 
training and I was going for sub

483
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,440
23. 
That was my plan. 

484
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,200
All my training has suggested 
exactly that. 

485
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,840
And on the day that was all 
going to plan, that was right up

486
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,320
to Glencoe. 
Everything was going to plan. 

487
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:47,400
Subtuity was on and I got into 
Glencoe checkpoint and as I left

488
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,880
and I'm, I'm, I'm not somebody 
who hangs around checkpoints 

489
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:54,640
like who will walk and talk me 
and and feed me as I'm well, as 

490
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,360
I'm going. 
I've had, if I sit down, it's 

491
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,520
only to change my shoes or socks
or whatever. 

492
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600
And I couldn't, I couldn't run. 
I just, I just couldn't run. 

493
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,400
I was like, oh, my ankles are 
really sore and so I couldn't 

494
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,000
bend them. 
They were like that, like just 

495
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,880
solid. 
Couldn't move my ankles. 

496
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,000
I've finished, I've finished. 
I had to stop. 

497
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,800
It cannot leave him. 
The doctor. 

498
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,360
Chris. 
What's Chris's second name 

499
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:22,800
again? 
Ellis. 

500
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,440
Yes, yeah. 
So Doctor Chris Ellis put big 

501
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,480
ice packs on my ankles so they 
were bright red. 

502
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,920
One on was worse than the other 
one. 

503
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,840
And I spent an hour and John 
Kinison was on the bed next to 

504
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,880
me. 
He was having a bad year as 

505
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,280
well. 
And John Kinison was a sub 20 

506
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,200
marathon runner, missile me 
runner. 

507
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,240
And I knew I had overtaken him. 
And it's unusual for me to for 

508
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,280
like John to be overtaken. 
And I knew I was on for sub 23. 

509
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,880
But yeah, still got to cannot 
even. 

510
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,360
I was lying there with big bags 
of ice on my ankles. 

511
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,680
And then then he was like giving
me the paracetamol's the 

512
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,440
strongest you can get. 
And, and he strapped up my 

513
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,640
ankles and I, I had to stomp my 
way to the end like slowly. 

514
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,280
I couldn't bend my ankles. 
So imagine having to go up like 

515
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840
I cannot leave in that climate. 
I cannot leave in without 

516
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,280
bending your ankles. 
I was like this, like a robot. 

517
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,160
It was horrific. 
So I mean, I went to the 

518
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,000
ceremony, went to the pub at 
night. 

519
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,280
I remember Muriel Downey as a 
doctor and she's like Sandra, 

520
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,440
not sure about your ankles 
because it was bright red. 

521
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,760
I had AI had a dress on and she 
kept getting me to elevate my my

522
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200
legs. 
And she was really worried. 

523
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,160
But it's just like holding my 
leg up for most of the night at 

524
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,200
the party and then got home that
night and I was awake all night.

525
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,560
I was crying. 
I was like in so much pain. 

526
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:56,680
And by 5-6 in the morning, Ian 
phoned Chris and he, and so he 

527
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,960
put me on the phone and he's 
chatting. 

528
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,680
He says, like, I've phoned the 
hospital, they're expecting you 

529
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,760
and I need you to go right now. 
But I didn't, I just didn't 

530
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,240
think anything of it. 
And he says like, well, they're,

531
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,920
they're just go right now, 
they'll be ready to see you. 

532
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,800
So gets into the hospital and I 
was, I was shaking like that. 

533
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,840
I was in so much pain. 
I was like, it was in agony. 

534
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,520
I mean, it gave me drugs really 
quite quickly, which was good. 

535
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,320
But they drew, they've got a 
mark and drew it around the 

536
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,000
front of my ankle and I didn't 
get to sleep. 

537
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,040
I was in the hospital all night 
and they, they thought it was 

538
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,400
compartment syndrome, which we 
can lose your leg from. 

539
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,760
It ended up not being, but they 
woke me up every hour. 

540
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,200
Well, they had this big cage 
over my leg and they came and 

541
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,600
just checked it every hour to 
make sure that it wasn't 

542
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,320
growing. 
If it was growing, then it was a

543
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,960
big problem. 
But luckily for me, it wasn't. 

544
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,200
It was just what I think Andrew 
Murray called it ultra 

545
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,600
marathoner's ankle, remember, 
And I've seen a few people have 

546
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:06,320
it before, but it, it looks like
compact compartment syndrome and

547
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,280
which can be, yeah, you can lose
your limb through that kind of 

548
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,680
thing because you're, that's the
blood cutting off your, your 

549
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,560
blood supply. 
So it was, it was pretty 

550
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,720
horrific. 
I did get a visit from Karen and

551
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,440
George and Ian. 
Karen Donahue, George Fried and 

552
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Ian, my husband who who came in 
and said we're just off to the 

553
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,720
grog and go. 
I've just drank the champagne 

554
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,160
that you had that and off the 
event to the grog and go and had

555
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,800
a good night out. 
I was in hospital. 

556
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,680
So I was very aware. 
After that thing's easy to the 

557
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,120
next year I I went back to the 
West. 

558
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,240
I mean, that's when I pulled out
because I knew mine because 

559
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,000
we're going the same way. 
I thought I can't end up 

560
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,440
hospital for any days. 
No, no days is worth ending 

561
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,320
hospital for. 
So I knew then I had to change 

562
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:54,200
my training and that meaning 
looked at my training plan and 

563
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,520
we changed it. 
We just did a lot of different 

564
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,840
stuff, a lot more hill work, a 
lot more stuff to get my uncle. 

565
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,080
She used to go and like one 
training session I started at 

566
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,920
King's House Hotel and then her 
auntie can not leave in and then

567
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,880
I ran back down to the bottom of
the devil and then her auntie 

568
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,600
cannot leave in and then I ran 
back to King House Hotel. 

569
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,200
So all Monday so things like 
that were were the kind of game 

570
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,840
changers of the next. 
We are trained just taking 

571
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,200
stuff. 
So it wasn't coming up with 

572
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280
these same problems because if 
you just keep doing the same 

573
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,400
things, nothing will change. 
Nicky's face looked in shock 

574
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,400
when you said that. 
George and Ian and Karen said 

575
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,680
that they were away to the pub 
when you were left in the is 

576
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,680
that. 
For champagne as well. 

577
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,880
But would you have done exactly 
the same thing? 

578
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:50,520
Would you have went to the pub? 
Yes, good. 

579
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Because, yeah, I would expect 
that, right, for anybody that's 

580
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,960
building up to the West Highway,
whose ballot closes today. 

581
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,280
I think it's time of recording. 
But so by the time anybody 

582
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,680
listen to this, it'll be closed 
if somebody's name gets drawn 

583
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,680
out. 
Other than the scare stories of 

584
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,080
compartment syndrome and not 
training hard enough, have you 

585
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,880
got any advice for any first 
timers can? 

586
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,120
I just say before that Sandra 
answers that sorry. 

587
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Like after that story I'm 
wondering by the time it's like 

588
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,800
it closes and this goes out how 
many withdrawals change my. 

589
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Mind I but if you can get on to 
the course, I think that's 

590
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,000
invaluable for, you know, you 
want to run a race and do the 

591
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,920
best you can get onto the the 
route that you want to be 

592
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,440
running on. 
Get used to doing it. 

593
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Go on all the training runs that
you can. 

594
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,760
But if you don't, if you can't, 
because we've got people from 

595
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,320
overseas and that that that 
can't. 

596
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,040
For me, my biggest thing was 
making sure you've got a 

597
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,800
training plan. 
I sat down we and every year and

598
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,480
we did a plan. 
And to do that, like you were 

599
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,200
talking about earlier, Mike, we,
we would, we would factor in 10 

600
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:20,920
KS, half marathons, maybe a 
marathon road to get the speed. 

601
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,120
Because you see, you still need 
speed. 

602
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,240
If you, if you want to do well, 
you'll still need speed. 

603
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,760
So that was all part of my plan.
And hence that's why you ended 

604
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,240
up PB in because you're doing 
you're, you're, you're training 

605
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,120
so high. 
You know, PB at most of these 

606
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,640
distances if you can, but that 
it's it's learning to race. 

607
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,840
It's turning up at the start of 
race feeling that nervous 

608
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,680
excitement. 
No one. 

609
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,800
So you need to learn to race. 
So that was part just make a 

610
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,040
training plan basically and try 
and stick to it and life gets in

611
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,880
the way. 
So if you get to the weekend and

612
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,240
you're like, oh, cut up. 
If you wanna go bad, can't get 

613
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,040
this run, just reschedule it. 
It's not the end of the world. 

614
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,600
Things can be tickled around, 
but try and it's a six month 

615
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:03,720
plan. 
You need to get your hair 

616
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,040
drained about six months of your
life will be you'll be thinking 

617
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,840
about nothing else except that 
back to backgrounds were a big 

618
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,520
thing for me. 
I, I liked doing that going out 

619
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,840
the first few miles of doing, 
you have to done 30 miles a day 

620
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
before you're doing 20 miles and
it's going to do your first 2 

621
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,000
miles. 
You're like, dear God, this is 

622
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,199
awful. 
There's no way I'm going to do 

623
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,800
before you know it, you're 
actually in the groove and it's 

624
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,320
fine. 
Back to backs are really 

625
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,920
important, I think to run on 
tired legs because your legs 

626
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,880
will get tired during an ultra, 
any ultra. 

627
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,920
So back to backs. 
And back, back in the olden days

628
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,040
before family commitments and 
stuff like that, I, I remember 

629
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,520
we used to go down onto the West
Highland Way, travelling, what, 

630
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,040
200 miles to get there several 
times a month just to do, yeah, 

631
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,600
back-to-back runs. 
That would be the weekend plan 

632
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,880
several times a month and lead 
up to the that race. 

633
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,280
Yeah, you have to be selfish. 
And again, that goes back to of 

634
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,400
like, that's why it's quite 
difficult for people juggling 

635
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,640
young children and things like 
that. 

636
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,800
Nikki, you're, you're saying 
that this is it's so difficult. 

637
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,640
It's so difficult for for men 
and women like to be able to 

638
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,120
fill that. 
And because you have to be 

639
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,000
selfish and you have to be able 
to you see and write, this is 

640
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,840
what I'm doing. 
And this is the six months of my

641
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,120
life will be nothing but 
training for like this is. 

642
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,600
I love to watch Stevie's journey
last year because he I just 

643
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,960
think he nailed it. 
He said everything, right? 

644
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,040
He knew, you know, you know what
his plan was. 

645
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,080
He went out and did all the 
training on the on the yeah, he 

646
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,520
just, he nailed it. 
And that is what you need to do.

647
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:52,240
You need to have a plan, try and
stick to it and be selfish about

648
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,160
where your where your what your 
goals are. 

649
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,760
I think Stevie's was good as 
well because Stevie shared 

650
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,600
everything on Instagram, which 
for some people it can be a bit 

651
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,680
annoying. 
But honestly, if anyone's 

652
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,960
thinking about it, go back and 
look at his Instagram profile 

653
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,160
and look at what it takes. 
Because as Sandra's saying, it 

654
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,400
will take over your life. 
And that's exactly why I'm not. 

655
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,240
I'm not even thinking about the 
ballot. 

656
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,240
I mean, the ballot. 
From what I heard, over 600 

657
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,360
entries now to 300 faces. 
Yeah, yeah. 

658
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,840
Because I was thinking earlier 
like even that there's going to 

659
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,800
be people in there that get 
their automatic entries, aren't 

660
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,680
there? 
Is it 5? 

661
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,720
If you've done it five times or 
more, you're in anyway. 

662
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,160
You know, and you have still 
have to be able to, you still 

663
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,240
have to have proof that you can 
still run that just you know 

664
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,600
what I mean? 
You know, you've got 5, but 

665
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,080
you've not run for 10 years. 
You're not getting done. 

666
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Right. 
Yeah, you still have to qualify,

667
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,920
but you're just guaranteed a 
place. 

668
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,360
Yeah, yeah. 
Stevie that you are mentioning, 

669
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,080
it was Stevie McKenna who 
previous guessed 100 kilos to 

670
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,880
100K on Instagram. 
He's still not changing his name

671
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,080
all. 
Right, he said. 

672
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,400
It was a good it was a good 
achievement. 

673
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,000
Definitely. 
So Sandra, you've done quite, 

674
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,880
you've done tons and tons and 
tons of races aside from the 

675
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,920
West Highland Way. 
I don't know if that is your 

676
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,760
favorite. 
Do you have a favorite race? 

677
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,040
Like I was saying earlier, I 
think probably the Catalan 

678
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:32,080
because it's just so peaceful 
meeting in during the race, but 

679
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,280
then they don't take a huge 
amount of people for it. 

680
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,880
But I mean, it's easy to get 
lost, Wasn't it mate? 

681
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,480
I wouldn't know. 
I think I've been lost six times

682
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,280
and done the race. 
Six times and you've done the. 

683
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:52,520
Double as well, yeah. 
So I think for it's just, it's 

684
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,000
just such a beautiful, peaceful 
route. 

685
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,040
You kindly just say if you want 
to be at peace, just going to 

686
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,080
the Catalan, the West Army will 
always, always be special. 

687
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,640
But yeah, the public cat and I 
would say it's just, it's the 

688
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,040
countryside. 
It's it's lovely. 

689
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,520
It's nice. 
There's got your runnable 

690
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,960
trails. 
You do fold down all the bogs 

691
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,520
and things like that. 
But it's lovely. 

692
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,520
And there's, there's a there's a
lock called Lock Chandra. 

693
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:23,320
It's like drunk Sandra. 
Yeah. 

694
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,120
Catanine. 
Let's see. 

695
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,360
Right. 
You said on the West Ham Way 

696
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,800
race you had crew various races 
like Catarin, you have drop 

697
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,880
bags. 
What kind of nutrition, fuel, 

698
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,040
whatever you want to call it, do
you have during the race? 

699
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,160
I've never eaten the gel in my 
life. 

700
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,840
I ever. 
I don't really have a sweet 

701
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,720
tooth, but if I'm wanting 
something sweet it's cola 

702
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,640
bottles. 
Love cola balls, not the fizzy 

703
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,000
ones, just the regular ones or 
like any kind of Hannibal. 

704
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,440
Like they're not the fried eggs.
Just think actual like cola 

705
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,560
balls. 
But for West Ham Maries, because

706
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,120
I go out, I can go out and do 
probably 1820 miles without 

707
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,800
eating because I don't really 
eat breakfast in the morning. 

708
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,680
But not for the West Ham Maries.
I've got to fuel. 

709
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:16,720
So, but when I got to, I used to
have, I used to have M&S. 

710
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,680
That was quite specific M&S 
rules because a wee soft white 

711
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:27,240
rolls, but either daily Leon or 
ham and I would have chicken cup

712
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:29,840
soups. 
So chicken cup soups, but they 

713
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,320
would have two chicken cup soups
and one wee cups, a wee pepper. 

714
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,800
The wee pack, the plastic cups, 
paper cups. 

715
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,600
So it was really salty and I was
getting the taste. 

716
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,840
So I would dip my wee roll into 
my chicken cup of soup. 

717
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,960
But tea always used to get the 
tea at checkpoints. 

718
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,640
I would like a cup of tea, but I
basically did the whole W Army 

719
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:53,520
race three times on chicken 
cover soups and M&S rolls and 

720
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,600
the yeah, that was it. 
I just, I didn't. 

721
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,760
I've never taken in gels. 
Cola bottles I can see because 

722
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:03,280
they're nice and just tasty. 
I hate Jelly babies. 

723
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,880
Sorry, Jelly baby hill just 
delight them. 

724
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,320
Never have done. 
And I've never taken a gel I've 

725
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,920
ever, ever, ever. 
I just prefer real food. 

726
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,440
So packet crisps sometimes. 
So I always had crisps in my 

727
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,320
bag, something salty. 
So I'm much more savoury person 

728
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,640
than a than a sweet person. 
So like if I ever had a look, I 

729
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,040
said I needed to have like that 
much look, I said in the rest 

730
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,800
water, right. 
So it's like could have that 

731
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,200
cloying horrible sweet taste in 
my mouth. 

732
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,120
So yeah, see what it's. 
Done in in certain drop bags, 

733
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,040
particularly near the end of a 
race, you might have some liquid

734
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,160
in there. 
What would you? 

735
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,360
I've had occasional vodka, an 
iron brew. 

736
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,160
I didn't for the rest of my 
areas, but I have had the flame 

737
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,880
several times. 
And for the Clyde stride, I 

738
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,680
remember a Clyde stride. 
I was piercing Susan once for 

739
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,200
doing it. 
I was stopped. 

740
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,760
I think we're about 3 miles from
the end and we were on the all 

741
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,960
these steps and we sat down and 
we had our weak cocktails, vodka

742
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,680
and iron brew. 
We're pouring the vodka into the

743
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,200
miniature into the iron brew 
bottle and says like, I can't 

744
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,920
believe we're having cocktails 
at mile 37 of 40 mile race. 

745
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:23,520
So yeah, I've had that's what 
can iron brew because he doesn't

746
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,760
love iron brew. 
Iron brew is another. 

747
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,000
So the iron brew that would 
probably Mone sweet and it has 

748
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,000
to be obviously the proper iron 
brew, not your sugar free stuff.

749
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,680
That would be my only and I like
it Fizzy. 

750
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,880
You know, I've seen these people
that have they open the coat and

751
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,880
have flatten up on it fizzy. 
None of this flat coke or flat 

752
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,640
iron brown nonsense. 
I just burnt my way along the 

753
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,400
the the course. 
And is there anything that you 

754
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,880
like to have posterous is that 
do you have any cravings? 

755
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,360
For anything to be honest, I am 
not hungry for about for about 

756
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,920
at least 12 hours after. 
It's really difficult to eat, I 

757
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,360
find. 
Not hungry. 

758
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,440
You think you're going to want 
to eat the world and you don't. 

759
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,720
You really don't. 
But yeah, champagne. 

760
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:12,600
I quite often after West Ham 
areas would have a really sore 

761
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,520
throat. 
You've had this night. 

762
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,840
Yeah. 
Like when you try to swallow and

763
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:16,640
I don't know if it's sort of 
the. 

764
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,480
I don't know what it is. 
It passes after a couple of 

765
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,400
hours. 
But you try and eat or drink 

766
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,680
anything, cup of tea, water, and
it's just really sore right in 

767
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,160
the roost of your mouth. 
Really, really difficult to eat 

768
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,000
or drink anything, to be honest.
But it's, it's usually by the 

769
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,560
Monday I start getting, and I 
eat for a week, but for the 

770
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,760
first couple of days afterwards,
I'm, I think it's because your 

771
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,520
body's been awake for 24 hours 
and it's, and it's been used to 

772
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,240
eating minimum amounts of stuff 
and gets checkpoints and that. 

773
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:49,160
So it's just, you need to let 
your body settle back down to 

774
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,720
get, you know, all the 
adrenaline. 

775
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,480
Everybody thinks they're going 
to sleep like crazy. 

776
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,240
All all you're thinking about 
sitting down and going to sleep.

777
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,640
You don't, you just you just 
don't. 

778
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
You're like absolutely. 
It wasn't still. 

779
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,440
It's very difficult to sleep 
like a couple of times, but 

780
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,280
every time, every time I've done
the race, apart from ankle here,

781
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,120
I've went back along and see 
people come. 

782
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,960
I want to see the last 
finishers. 

783
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,640
When it was at leisure centre, I
would just wander back on the 

784
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,000
road and see people coming in 
and and people like, oh, you're 

785
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,560
not not carding, you're like 
you're just not. 

786
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,240
You've had a few hours sleep and
that's fine, but it's just nice 

787
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:26,560
to go and I think you're riding 
on the wave of the whole race 

788
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,280
weekend because it's part of a 
special weekend. 

789
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,400
Kind of don't want it to end and
it's just nice. 

790
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,880
But your body will take me well 
and get back to normal. 

791
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,760
You mentioned about the sore 
throat, I think I haven't had it

792
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,920
recently but I remember years 
ago I used to get it and I was 

793
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,600
put it down to being a windy day
and you're like breathing. 

794
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,480
Harder or something? 
Yeah, yeah, I I've not had it 

795
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,600
every ultra, but I've had it a 
few times and you're like, it's 

796
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,960
just so painful. 
But it does pass quite quickly, 

797
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,000
but just top of your mouth, just
so painful. 

798
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,440
I remember Karen telling me 
about it, Karen Donahue. 

799
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,400
And when when she's she goes, 
oh, you suddenly should get a 

800
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,560
really bad sore throat. 
I don't. 

801
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,120
Know what I'd I'd I hadn't heard
about this, I've done my first 

802
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,600
thought. 
She was a John Muir way and as 

803
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,120
far as ultra marathons go, like 
it was running into a headwind 

804
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,760
the whole way, which I had no 
experience of running ultra 

805
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,840
anyway. 
So I was kind of, is that what 

806
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,320
it was in that? 
And everyone's like, oh, yeah, 

807
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,360
it was awful. 
It was awful. 

808
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,480
And that night I was starving 
and I wanted the Chinese and I 

809
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,000
had chicken fried rice and Curry
sauce and I couldn't eat it 

810
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,760
because the juice Sandra went in
my mouth and it, it was as old. 

811
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:52,640
The roof was like sandpaper. 
Said that because I, I thought 

812
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,880
that was just me like so that's 
quite interesting you've 

813
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,800
mentioned that. 
I've had it a couple of times, 

814
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,040
not every race but randomly and 
I and I don't know, it'd be 

815
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,880
quite good to see if there's 
been any study into that. 

816
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,720
Yeah. 
And you say your favorite 

817
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,320
favorite drink after a race is 
champagne, which I don't think 

818
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,960
the race needs to be involved. 
You probably just have it 

819
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,160
anyway. 
Yeah, but treating every race 

820
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,160
like a celebration, an 
achievement. 

821
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,040
What is your greatest 
achievement? 

822
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,200
The greatest achievement for 
running. 

823
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,160
For running, yeah well mention 
both. 

824
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Mention any achievement if you 
want. 

825
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,640
I was chatting to Ian about this
actually, because I was thinking

826
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,360
what what is like. 
I like I was speaking earlier 

827
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,800
about when you're, when you're 
training hard, you'll PB at 

828
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,720
every distance. 
So I've only done London 

829
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,520
Marathon months and I went down 
and I knew I was in great shape.

830
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,280
It was the year I did the, the 
my PB for West. 

831
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,040
No, it was S Transvarius. 
I think I can't remember either 

832
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,560
PB or either West on me or South
Transvari. 

833
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,360
And I thought I knew I'd get PB,
but I didn't know how much of 

834
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,760
APB I would get. 
My, my best before that was 338 

835
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,400
and I got 330I thought I'd get 
my 5 minutes and certainly 

836
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,200
didn't expect to knock nearly 10
minutes off for BB and, and do 

837
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,560
it in London. 
But everybody says it's really 

838
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,920
difficult to PB in London. 
So to get 330 in London, I, I 

839
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,960
can still dine out at night, you
know, like, like you're, I might

840
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,440
not be Ultron anymore, but these
races, these PBS will never go 

841
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,880
away. 
You know that that's something 

842
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,520
you'll have forever. 
So on the back of after London, 

843
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,240
while I was training for South 
End movies, I was doing really 

844
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:43,600
well and running really well and
I was on fire. 

845
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,040
Everything went my way that day.
It was just, I was just running 

846
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,560
great. 
I was really enjoying it and it 

847
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,000
was, it was kind of like I'd 
went full circle. 

848
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,680
So my very first Ultra was on 
the South Downs way. 

849
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,280
I went all the way down, 
couldn't get any further. 

850
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,320
Like I said, there was no trust 
in Scotland was really around 

851
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,360
about then and I went that way 
down to South Dunswick to do a 

852
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,080
30 mile race. 
My friend Jen was running it as 

853
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,400
well. 
I I could for Jen. 

854
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,560
That was a very, that was my 
first 40 into the West Army as 

855
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,760
well. 
Go back to that in a minute. 

856
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,680
So S Dunswick, Miley to four. 
I was still running down the 

857
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,440
South, but it was great. 
Could be Miley to four. 

858
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,400
I'm on fire and I was on. 
I was on for probably in between

859
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,400
20 and 21 hours and something 
went in my thigh, something 

860
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,880
excruciating went in my thigh. 
I was screamed and had to stop. 

861
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,400
Well, I didn't stop. 
I just had to stop running at 

862
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,880
that point but carried on. 
I had to hobble, a slow hobble 

863
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,480
for the last 14 miles, but I 
still did 22 1/2 hours, which I 

864
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,640
was dead chuffed with. 
And I think I think for me being

865
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,400
in such good shape, I was just 
thrilled to bits to get this 

866
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,760
this my buckle with, you know, I
knew I was going to do something

867
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,640
for it. 
Like that sounds really I knew I

868
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,600
was going to do something for I 
knew I was in good shape and 

869
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,240
like bar something go bad, badly
wrong. 

870
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,560
But I went badly wrong at miles 
20. 

871
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,680
I might not. 
It went wrong, you know, later, 

872
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,440
later stages, which can happen 
in any ultra, any race actually.

873
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:21,120
But yeah, so they they too I 
guess, are probably my greatest 

874
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:25,720
running achievements. 
Well, I think a 330 marathon, 

875
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:29,760
that's absolutely incredible. 
And as you say in London as 

876
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,880
well, where it would be quite 
hard to be because it's such a 

877
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,200
large volume of crowd as well. 
When you were running that 3:30,

878
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,880
I know that sounds really daft, 
a question probably, but did it 

879
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,680
feel really hard at the time or 
do you remember it feeling like,

880
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,760
right, I'm going, I'm feeling 
quite comfortable. 

881
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,600
How was it when you were running
that do? 

882
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,320
You feel hard at all, which is 
really odd because I can't 

883
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,120
remember last time I run an 8 
minute, 8 minute mile, never 

884
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,200
mind doing it for 26. 
Actually like really tough to 

885
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,120
see anything nowadays when I 
run, but to get to run the whole

886
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,720
the whole way, 8 minute mile. 
And it's just crazy to me in my 

887
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,360
head now. 
But no, it didn't feel hard at 

888
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,760
all because it was in such good 
shape. 

889
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,000
And I've been, I didn't like 
training and didn't like Rd. 

890
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,920
road running training as well. 
But no, I if I'd known I was 330

891
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,440
and 30 seconds or something like
that. 

892
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:28,120
So it wasn't sub 3:30, but maybe
if I'd known how close. 

893
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,600
I mean, I could see my watch 
obviously, but if I'd thought I 

894
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,160
was going to get anywhere near, 
I thought it'd be about 335. 

895
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,960
I didn't realise I'd be so close
to that. 

896
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,800
I might have like pushed a wee 
bit harder, but I was enjoying 

897
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,160
that. 
I really, really enjoyed it and 

898
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,280
didn't find it was particularly 
hard. 

899
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,800
I just cruised it, cruised it. 
Now I can't cruise an 8 while 

900
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,680
for half a mile. 
Never minds like 26. 

901
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,880
So you've continued running, 
Sandra. 

902
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,760
You say you're retired from 
ultra marathons. 

903
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,720
Are you retired from any other 
races? 

904
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:07,320
And why do you still run? 
The only the only races I really

905
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,080
do at the moment is park runs, 
having more park runs usually 

906
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:16,040
when we're up there and I run 
now just to keep fit really. 

907
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,280
I probably will do other races 
as like if can be bothered at 

908
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,360
some point. 
But again, life gets in the way.

909
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,800
I was meant to be doing having 
more half Mars and then I got I 

910
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,640
got I fell a couple of times, 
got injured, then then something

911
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,680
else I can't remember, something
else got in the way. 

912
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,840
Oh, Molly. 
Molly hurt herself. 

913
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,800
So Molly was injured. 
I thought she broke her leg. 

914
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,960
So she was about a month out and
I couldn't for the first few 

915
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,280
days. 
I couldn't leave it at all. 

916
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,480
And I couldn't do my training 
that was meant to be doing EMS 

917
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,240
in Tokyo. 
So I couldn't do anything. 

918
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,920
I was like, she was on really 
short leash walks and I couldn't

919
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,320
leave her in case she was 
jumping off the couch or going 

920
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,400
up the stairs and things like 
that. 

921
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,640
So that put the kibosh in 
Aviemore Half Marth. 

922
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,840
And I just couldn't get the 
training done. 

923
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,760
And I'm not going to turn up to 
race that I can't do as well to 

924
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,160
my abilities. 
You know what I mean? 

925
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,720
The last race properly, I guess,
I guess I did was green awesome 

926
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,800
last year because I'm in the 
lucky position to be able to get

927
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,080
an invite and go to that. 
And I was on the telly and 

928
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,160
everything mix some of the 
celebs at the start line. 

929
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,160
But I just, yeah, I just run for
fun now and just and you know, I

930
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,520
don't need to get up at half 
four every morning anymore. 

931
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,600
And if it's raining, I might not
go out for a run because it's 

932
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,480
raining. 
And I I ran in blizzards. 

933
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,800
I ran in hurricanes, like storm 
warnings, you name it. 

934
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,840
Before there was red, amber and 
everything. 

935
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,400
I've run. 
I just ran to work and it's 9 

936
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,520
miles away for the last. 
For the latter part, 9 miles 

937
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,480
every day, every day, regardless
of the weather. 

938
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,520
So now I can be a favorite 
weather runner because I choose 

939
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,640
to be. 
With that said, Sandra, I'm 

940
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,400
going to ask something that 
isn't actually on our question 

941
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,160
set, but running all weathers. 
Do you have a favorite piece of 

942
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,520
kit that you like to run in that
you wouldn't be without? 

943
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,720
Not really, no. 
I was all, everybody was laughed

944
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:24,840
at me because I was saying best 
weather for any reason. 

945
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:30,320
Everything was best weather 
because I, I, I would start off 

946
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,520
with layers, but then I'm 
doubting my best. 

947
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,440
But I'm just, and I don't know 
if it's just because I'm not 

948
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,880
running the same distances or 
whatever, whatever's changed, 

949
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,480
but now I'm freezing all the 
time just like, well, I need 5 

950
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,160
layers before I go out running. 
I I, but I was, yeah, even in 

951
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,520
darkest winter, my hands would 
always get cold because I get 

952
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,480
rain odds. 
It's always needed gloves. 

953
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,760
So gloves sometimes even in the 
summer because I was leaving the

954
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,120
house at 5 O clock in the 
morning. 

955
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,360
Even the summer, it'd be dark, 
start off dark and but even like

956
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,920
in Midsummer, maybe start to get
light, but but it's still nippy 

957
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,960
even in the nicest of days. 
So I always have gloves on my 

958
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,240
back. 
So gloves is my have gloves and 

959
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:16,920
have a buff because a buff you 
can if it's like cool first in 

960
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,880
the moment I'm wearing it 
because it keeps your neck warm.

961
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,080
But they can use it as a 
headband because my ears get 

962
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,240
cold. 
So in the winter I always had a 

963
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,760
buff as a headband to keep my 
ears warm. 

964
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,440
The only thing I've not found 
yet because my nose gets really 

965
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,160
cold. 
What do you do? 

966
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:36,280
Got a cold nose, perhaps wearing
a like to murder somebody, but 

967
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,280
there's nothing, nothing. 
What do you do? 

968
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,920
Like stick something in your 
nose and like keep it warm. 

969
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,280
But your ears? 
Everything else you can do. 

970
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,480
Can't run me a hat because I get
too hot, but because of the buff

971
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,280
you can wear it as a headband 
and keep your ears warm. 

972
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,240
We like a buff. 
Yeah. 

973
00:53:54,040 --> 00:54:00,080
And you mentioned you got invite
to Great North Run running with 

974
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,240
celebrities. 
One of my earliest memories with

975
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:08,280
us running together was 
something that was we found out 

976
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,760
about through Fetch Everyone. 
The website that you mentioned 

977
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,720
was running with Eddie Izzard 
when he ran rounds basically 

978
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,560
started in London, came up 
through Scotland. 

979
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,880
I can't remember, was it 50 
marathons he was doing and? 

980
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:24,800
It was. 
Was it not random? 

981
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,880
Was it not 52? 
I don't know why 50. 2 

982
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,400
something, I can't remember 52 
marathons in something like 50-6

983
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,760
yeah. 
So we, we ran with them. 

984
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:41,280
We were, we ran together with 
him and Frank Skinner, Denise 

985
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:47,840
Van Outen on a well, I I started
in Sterling and then you joined 

986
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,880
us when we got to Edinburgh. 
Edinburgh, so I had run the day 

987
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,400
before, I had run a papers seat 
with them. 

988
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:58,880
So I was on I was on all the 
news channels during because it 

989
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,800
was during the festival as well.
That's why Frank Skinner was 

990
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,120
there heaps on the show and I 
had went to meet him at Bristol 

991
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,280
Square and actually I was only 
one. 

992
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,600
I was want to show him where 
where to go above and I think it

993
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,200
was only about Edinburgh person 
there. 

994
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,640
So to take him. 
So we went all the way up to 

995
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:21,000
after seat, the top, after seat 
camera crews like from STVBBC 

996
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,160
and everything, all the top. 
So it was it was a bit bizarre. 

997
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,640
So that was that was the maybe 
the day two days before, I can't

998
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,360
remember. 
And then the day we ran, but you

999
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,760
might, we ran from who did meet 
up, picked you up in a random 

1000
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,040
place. 
I On the Edinburgh day we 

1001
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,200
started near the airport run 
into town, but he went to go and

1002
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,240
see a show and then start again 
in the afternoon so. 

1003
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,200
We did about 20 miles and I had 
done the Ockels race the day 

1004
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:58,080
before. 
Again, that ridiculous race. 

1005
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,840
I I call it like I'm going to 
swear again, the bastard occles 

1006
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,440
like I I thought I'm doing I'm 
doing results. 

1007
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,440
I can go and do this this 20 
mile race. 

1008
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,080
That'd be fine. 
It's called the Ocles 2000. 

1009
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,200
And have you done that, Mike? 
I've not, no. 

1010
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:17,880
So I did it. 
I thought it'd be fine. 

1011
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,640
And I did it with Phil Owen, and
he was he You hadn't you had. 

1012
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,960
Can you navigate? 
I saw the saw the hills and the 

1013
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,240
ocles. 
Over 2000 feet. 

1014
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:28,520
Is it? 
Yeah. 

1015
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,280
And I, I actually thought I was 
going to die that day. 

1016
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,160
I am going to get airlifted off 
here. 

1017
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,000
I've been running along and 
suddenly I've disappeared down 

1018
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,320
this ditch. 
I honestly thought I was going 

1019
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,760
to break my leg or ankle or I 
thought I was going to die. 

1020
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,840
And I, I took me years to go 
back to the locals. 

1021
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,400
I did it as a Glee club run. 
Years and years because it was, 

1022
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,360
it was. 
I was traumatized by it. 

1023
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,120
And I remember when do you 
remember Scott Scotty Ribena 

1024
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,200
face Scott Creekhead. 
So guy called Scott Creekhead 

1025
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,680
said to me, Sandra, I trained 
for five years before I did 

1026
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,920
that. 
I trained for five years before 

1027
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,800
I even 17 darkness. 
And I was like, how can we buy? 

1028
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,520
So, yeah, anybody that's going 
to the race is still going, I 

1029
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,040
think. 
And if you're going to go and do

1030
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,600
it, please train properly. 
But don't, don't do what I did. 

1031
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,080
Don't be a Sandra. 
That was that was that was the 

1032
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,720
day before we met a day and run 
another 20 miles with them. 

1033
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,640
Go figure. 
Was the oak holes humble in 

1034
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Sandra? 
Yes, it was. 

1035
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,680
I think. 
Yeah, it was. 

1036
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,280
It was awful. 
And you mentioned it was a Glee 

1037
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,120
club run you were doing. 
What is the Glee Club for those 

1038
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,320
that don't know? 
The Glee club was started up by 

1039
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,680
Ellen McPhee. 
Ellen McPhee was kind of the 

1040
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:59,040
founder of the Fling, Hern Murdo
and when the Fling first 

1041
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,880
started, Ian was one of the 
first runners of the race. 

1042
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,960
There was only 17 of them and 
they would meet John Kinston, 

1043
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,200
Ian and a lot like all the Peter
Duggan, we'd all go and do all 

1044
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,800
these training runs and there 
were and and Ellen, but there 

1045
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,920
were hard training runs like 
these guys take no prisoners off

1046
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,320
the goal, like really hard 
trainer and Ellen says this is 

1047
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,280
just a nightmare. 
I want to just go and enjoy 

1048
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:32,280
myself like a bit of a like a 
decent like run and enjoy the 

1049
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,960
countryside and the views and 
things like that. 

1050
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,000
So the Glee Cup is born from 
that of we want to enjoy runs 

1051
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,680
and there's no pace. 
You're not eyeballs out. 

1052
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,880
This is about along anybody, any
ability could go along and just 

1053
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,960
enjoy runs and and beautiful 
countryside. 

1054
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,120
So we had on the West Ham Bay 
cataran and they've been all 

1055
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,720
over and the the Glee cup still 
does run. 

1056
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,200
I don't think as as many as I 
used to be, but that's where the

1057
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,720
where the Glee cup came from and
why it came around because you 

1058
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,320
had people like Ian and John who
were wanting to run really fast 

1059
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,840
and and train with that. 
They they, you know, work hard, 

1060
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,680
play hard, they trained hard. 
They went interested in somebody

1061
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,600
behind just stop and wait and 
that's that wasn't their get, 

1062
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,440
that wasn't their bag not 
stopping me on anybody. 

1063
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,720
But the Glee club does welcome 
anybody because I've been on a 

1064
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,760
few of their runs and it is open
to anybody that wants to run as 

1065
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,800
long as you're not forcing 
anybody to run at your pace. 

1066
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,640
Yes, yeah, it's welcoming to 
everybody and you can go on fast

1067
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:41,640
if you want to. 
Yeah, I have all the runs. 

1068
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,240
You're you're saying you're not 
running as much now, but you 

1069
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,840
were whether. 
I don't know if the answer to 

1070
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,120
this question changes, but what 
do you think about while you're 

1071
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,960
running? 
When's this going to end is? 

1072
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,960
That the same for a three mile 
run that you you started off 

1073
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,240
with for your 5K for your work 
first run. 

1074
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,720
The same as the West Helen Way. 
I don't, I don't even think. 

1075
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,760
I think about things in the same
way as I just go about my 

1076
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,000
day-to-day and think about 
things. 

1077
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,480
I listen to my radio when I, 
when I run, which is a bit 

1078
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,000
weird. 
Most of the people will listen 

1079
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,480
to music. 
So I am listening to music, but 

1080
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,040
I'm also listening to the radio.
So I'm there. 

1081
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,200
I'm hearing other stuff like 
traffic news or the weather 

1082
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,880
reports or like chats and things
like that. 

1083
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,080
So I, I don't think I think 
about anything. 

1084
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,480
I'm usually listening to what's 
going on, if you know what I 

1085
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,720
mean. 
I've always, always I've got, 

1086
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,280
I've got bone conductor 
earphones now. 

1087
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,000
But even when I didn't, when I 
had the the proper earphones, 

1088
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,280
the wired ones, I always had it 
low enough to be able to hear 

1089
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,640
what was going on and about me 
and people. 

1090
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:59,160
Used to be when I worked at 
Heriot Business School, I ran on

1091
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,160
the canal quite a lot of time 
and it's pitch black in the 

1092
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:06,120
morning at any time of the year.
And I've run along right through

1093
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,480
Worcester Hills and all these 
type dodgy places. 

1094
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Sorry, anybody from Mercy Hills,
you know, you're not terrified, 

1095
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,440
you know. 
And I'm like, I was probably 

1096
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,640
more chance of me getting 
attacked at six O clock at night

1097
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,960
in the Meadows than there is at 
6 O clock in the morning on the 

1098
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,760
on the canal path by the dark or
not. 

1099
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,960
So I know I wasn't terrified. 
I was never and I was never 

1100
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,560
scared when I was running, but I
always was aware of what was 

1101
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,800
going on and about me. 
I could hear stuff. 

1102
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,880
I could hear somebody come from 
behind. 

1103
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,240
I could hear bikes because quite
often I have bikes like tearing 

1104
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,360
past me, no lights on or 
whatever, but I could hear them 

1105
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,400
coming before because my 
earphones were low enough to 

1106
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,880
just to be aware. 
But now you've got the bone 

1107
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,960
conductor ones. 
So which is great anyway, but 

1108
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,800
just be you need to be aware of 
your surroundings wherever you 

1109
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,000
are, yeah. 
Do you have a favorite radio 

1110
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,600
station? 
Radio 4 for still listen to 

1111
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,480
Radio 4 because I'm on Edinburgh
Girl and I'll always be in 

1112
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,280
Edinburgh Girl wherever I live. 
I go on holiday and I go for a 

1113
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,960
run. 
I'm listening to Radio 4. 

1114
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,400
If I listen to MFR when I'm 
going to be more, but there's 

1115
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,440
network to anyway now. 
But yeah, Radio 4. 

1116
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,800
And you have a heavy involvement
with the West Highland Way and 

1117
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,480
volunteering. 
Do you have any other events 

1118
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,480
that you volunteer for and help 
out with or anything that you've

1119
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,600
got coming up? 
Are you still involved with the 

1120
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,160
West Highland Way race next 
year? 

1121
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:31,960
I mean, Ian has stepped down as 
you know, as race director, so I

1122
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:37,200
am still doing the social media 
for it, which can be fun times. 

1123
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:43,280
But why I love race weekend 
because I try and get as much 

1124
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,000
live updates and chat to 
runners. 

1125
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,880
People were saying to me last 
year, oh, that was my brother. 

1126
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,800
That was like, you know, 
watching from Australia, 

1127
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,120
watching from and they've got to
see their. 

1128
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,760
I was having to be chat with 
them as it came into being glass

1129
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,880
or whatever. 
So that that's kind of quite 

1130
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,560
exciting for that. 
But yeah, that's that. 

1131
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,600
I'm just kind of involved and 
obviously like help whatever I'm

1132
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,000
needed. 
And I always I'm always on 

1133
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,520
registration duties for the rest
of our Medes and then and then 

1134
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,840
just like hopping up and down 
the course. 

1135
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,520
I don't do as many. 
I help at our local 10 Ki 

1136
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,000
usually go into the route 
marking for it and do then the 

1137
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:24,000
the tail run for that. 
But I've helped probably every 

1138
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,760
Scottish ultra go in. 
Like I say, every sums one. 

1139
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,680
If I wasn't running, I was 
helping. 

1140
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,720
I felt to fling. 
I helped it fling every year. 

1141
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,800
I mean, I've helped devil, I've 
helped Catalan, Catalan for 

1142
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,360
years. 
I cooked for all the runners, 

1143
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,520
cooked for all the runners and 
the crew. 

1144
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,840
They there's not a race. 
I don't think I've I've 

1145
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,000
marshalled that. 
So I don't feel guilty about not

1146
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,360
doing it so much now. 
I still do it, but I don't feel 

1147
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:56,400
guilty about not doing it 
because that our life was going 

1148
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,440
to races and helping out at 
races and that's through 

1149
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,720
Scottish athletics or for all 
the the ultras. 

1150
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,120
It wasn't just it wasn't just 
ultras were helping. 

1151
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,240
It have helped out. 
Adrian Stott, who's the new race

1152
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:13,480
director of Your Name was Adrian
has races at Silver Nose so and 

1153
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,520
at the medals as well. 
So we we have done a lot over 

1154
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,600
the years definitely. 
And I think it's so, so 

1155
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,760
important. 
These races do not happen by 

1156
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,760
themselves. 
It's not a money making machine,

1157
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:30,920
most of them aren't. 
So unless people help, the races

1158
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,680
won't happen. 
You see a lot of people turn up 

1159
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,640
and like run race a lot but 
never help. 

1160
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,800
And I don't understand that 
because they'll these races will

1161
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,840
not carry on if people don't 
give something back. 

1162
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,960
Give something back to the 
community that you're enjoying 

1163
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,000
and that's it's not much to ask.
And actually it's really bloody 

1164
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:57,280
good fun as well, although it is
actually sometimes harder than 

1165
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,640
running. 
I've done, I have done, I have 

1166
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,880
done 12 hour shifts at the 
Fling. 

1167
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,480
I've never taken 12 hours to run
the Fling ever. 

1168
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,800
So yeah, like I'm like, I'd be 
finished this hours ago. 

1169
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,880
I've been running it. 
So it's a hard, it's a hard gig 

1170
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,640
for the cataran. 
I was up at 6, four O clock in 

1171
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,960
the morning cooking for 
Marshalls and runners and then 

1172
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,840
then cooking for them coming 
back when they finish as well. 

1173
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,360
So long day. 
It definitely is. 

1174
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,760
I can back to you on that. 
It's it's hard work. 

1175
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,280
Like, see, it's sometimes harder
than run it. 

1176
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,960
It's a bit like crewing for the 
West Army. 

1177
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:45,080
Yeah, I'd rather run it. 
And do do you have any dream 

1178
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,120
races or bucket list races that 
you would like to do in the 

1179
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,480
future? 
Or even adventures if you're 

1180
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,200
not. 
Racing, You won't be surprised 

1181
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,320
to hear Martha Lamedoc is kind 
of the only one that's really on

1182
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,240
the list. 
I would, I would really like to 

1183
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,480
go and do that one day. 
It's just always been something 

1184
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:06,280
I've had in my head. 
It's just a fun. 

1185
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,400
I'm like, I'm not really racing 
any big distances anymore, but 

1186
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,760
that's one I could definitely 
manage to get around. 

1187
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,480
And for those that don't know 
Martha and the Meddock, you are 

1188
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,400
encouraged to have a little 
beverage throughout the race. 

1189
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,040
Through the wine regions of 
France. 

1190
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,200
Oh, is it that one? 
Oh, that sounds a good one as 

1191
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,000
well, Yeah. 
So the water stations are wine 

1192
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,520
stations basically, but there's 
also like, you know, Takuta 

1193
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,080
rewards and all that kind of 
stuff. 

1194
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,160
So it just looks like a fun race
to do. 

1195
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,000
I think that. 
And how often do you get a 

1196
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,920
drink? 
Every mile. 

1197
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,120
Oh God no. 
I'd get to my. 

1198
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,160
I'd get past miles too. 
And I would be. 

1199
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,920
I'd be lost. 
Glencoe, Glencoe Marathon, I 

1200
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,440
don't know if they still use 
still do it, but when I did 

1201
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,720
Glencoe Marathon when I got to 
Linda Bar, but I think they do 

1202
01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,680
it backwards now. 
They do it start at Fort William

1203
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,080
and finish in Glencoe now. 
We used to start Glencoe and 

1204
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:07,320
finishing in Fort William. 
When you got to Linda Bar, they 

1205
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:12,480
had port and cheese and I was, I
had, I had to port and the 

1206
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,200
cheese and maybe two or three 
ports. 

1207
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,920
But yeah, on the Carron Trail, 
depending on who's marshalling 

1208
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,800
at the last checkpoint, yeah, 
you sometimes get a whiskey 

1209
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,760
there. 
Yes, I don't like whiskey. 

1210
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,760
I don't Scottish. 
You don't like whiskey? 

1211
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,480
Is the last next point at cat 
around before that massive hell 

1212
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,720
that you go up at the? 
End right. 

1213
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,360
Yeah, it's a. 
Bit of a hill. 

1214
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,720
On the elevation. 
Slight hill on the way up. 

1215
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,840
It it just looks big because the
on the elevation graph, because 

1216
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,000
the the rest of the course is so
flat. 

1217
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:53,680
It's like a pancake. 
It's. 

1218
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,480
Not a pancake is. 
That a lie, mate, is he? 

1219
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,440
Trying to get you to do the cat 
or. 

1220
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,800
I would love it but see after he
had in the pennies talk about it

1221
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,440
and getting lost. 
That's the absolutely effed for 

1222
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,000
me doing that. 
Well, that's why you need to go 

1223
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,560
do your training on. 
Yeah, to be fair on on the 

1224
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,560
Karen, I would never have got 
lost if I actually looked where 

1225
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,800
I was going, but I was trying to
run fast. 

1226
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,120
You had just right because you 
were like running out of head 

1227
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,720
and then suddenly you appeared 
in front of me. 

1228
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,720
I'm like, who have you been? 
And then the trail run out. 

1229
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,800
I think you see that's like 
there's there's a style if we go

1230
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,840
over there. 
So not not often. 

1231
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,840
I will be showing you the way. 
Yeah. 

1232
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,720
No, I think you still be by 
about two minutes. 

1233
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,479
I was saying every time that 
I've got lost, if I had actually

1234
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,800
looked, there was a sign to 
point you in the right 

1235
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,120
direction. 
It's just that. 

1236
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,880
A. 100% my own fault, I didn't 
look so. 

1237
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,120
Just to be aware like like 
anything, everybody blindly 

1238
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,399
follows. 
I don't know if Ian told you 

1239
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:05,160
this and when he when he was on,
he got lost in mess and I made 

1240
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,200
it in the first 3 miles. 
Yep. 

1241
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,960
But then you know how he got 
that hit so long at first they 

1242
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,640
all went straight on like first.
So he just followed all the 

1243
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,560
runners that were head young and
when they got to when they got 

1244
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,319
to water, they realised we're 
like there was never water, 

1245
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,560
there was never a river here and
the altar. 

1246
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,399
So they all did about an extra 
mile that year. 

1247
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,960
Not all of them, but at least 
thirty of them all went the 

1248
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,680
wrong way today. 
You go EMBT race director W Army

1249
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,479
just went the wrong way on the 
West Army. 

1250
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,439
Not not just the race director, 
Rob Sinclair, but the year that 

1251
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,120
he set the record, he did an 
extra mile in Murdoch Park 

1252
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:50,120
because him and Lee Kemp were 
chatting and went the wrong way,

1253
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,920
so they went half a mile off. 
He ended up having to overtake 

1254
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,200
everybody in the race. 
Because you take your mind off 

1255
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:57,720
it for a second. 
If you're chatting somebody, Oh,

1256
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,920
you didn't see that sign like 
you're trying to pass it. 

1257
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,000
So that anybody doing an ultra, 
there you go. 

1258
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,480
There's a tip. 
Just watch where you're going. 

1259
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,560
You're you're just because 
somebody's went that way just to

1260
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,520
see you're going that way. 
When I was talking about the the

1261
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,600
fling really. 
So I remember coming to the 

1262
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,840
beach side. 
I I'd never been on the West 

1263
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,000
harmony at this point ever. 
And I came out. 

1264
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,840
I blame, have to say some of the
Marshalls are to blame here. 

1265
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,440
Marshalls were standing at the 
beach tree, not at the gross 

1266
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:29,120
crossing. 
And I came out to cross the road

1267
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,360
and ran down the to the left. 
I didn't know I was crossing the

1268
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,840
road and going over to the next 
part of the trail. 

1269
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,360
I just came in and went down the
road, come in, down the road. 

1270
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,200
And somebody shouted me back. 
Oh, it's this way. 

1271
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:43,520
I'm like, well, that's what the 
Marshalls are there for. 

1272
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,280
You're telling me that? 
But our runner shouted me back. 

1273
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,240
I got, I got, I got lost three 
times on the 1st 12 miles of the

1274
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,920
West. 
Dear God. 

1275
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,680
Right. 
The next question have you got 

1276
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,720
anybody that you would like to 
run with, whether alive or not, 

1277
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,360
fictional or real? 
I'd like to see, I wish, I wish 

1278
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,320
you, Ian could be done in again.
So I'd like to be running with 

1279
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,080
my husband again. 
We used to do a lot of runs. 

1280
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,320
He was always fast and I was 
always just seeing him from 

1281
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,600
behind, like it was a good 
windbreaker. 

1282
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,600
We had quite early adventures, a
lot of like, Oh, my training 

1283
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:27,960
where when I was training hard, 
he was, he was my biggest 

1284
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,680
supporter. 
He would be out meet me at 

1285
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,960
checkpoint for to meet me. 
So he would do as many miles 

1286
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,880
because he would run out to meet
me and run back in And we just 

1287
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,320
and we would just go off 
weekends and just do lots of 

1288
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,960
running and things. 
So Ian as a person I would like 

1289
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,320
to run with again and it can 
run. 

1290
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:45,800
But it kept on getting injuries 
again. 

1291
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,920
So he's just never a golfer. 
And we walked, we still walk 

1292
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,360
together a lot with Molly, 
obviously. 

1293
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,680
But yeah, kind of missed those 
days where and I probably would 

1294
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,120
be running more if you miss or 
run as well because that 

1295
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,800
incentive to be able to go out 
and do your V adventures 

1296
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,320
together and all that. 
So yeah, that was that's an easy

1297
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:09,560
one to pick. 
And last question, unless Mike 

1298
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,200
has any more after this, do you 
have anything coming up for 

1299
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:16,720
running wise next? 
No, no, I don't even know if I'm

1300
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,520
going to run tomorrow. 
Apparently it's like I've just 

1301
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:22,240
got an Alexa warning. 
See if it's really going to 

1302
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,080
rain. 
Probably not. 

1303
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:28,720
I am working. 
Tomorrow, the next few days, I 

1304
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,520
usually try and get it running 
before go to work. 

1305
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,480
If Carol will persuade me to go 
out like I should say I'm 

1306
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,240
running before like so it's 
quite good. 

1307
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,400
If you can say to somebody I'll 
meet you to go for a run, then 

1308
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:40,680
you're not going to back out of 
it. 

1309
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,160
So that's not a good good view 
tip. 

1310
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:45,760
And it's when, but it's before. 
If I was training for something,

1311
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,960
the weather made no difference 
whatsoever apart from the fact 

1312
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,200
what whatever you're packing in 
your bag, it was it was 

1313
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,960
happening. 30 mile run, fifty 
mile run, whatever it is, it's 

1314
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,160
happening. 
Weather, weather schmeether. 

1315
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,120
Now I'm like, what was a wee 
drizzle? 

1316
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:02,920
I'll just stay and have a cup of
tea. 

1317
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,880
But you know, I'd say nobody can
take away all my times and all 

1318
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,800
my races that are done So I I 
can like I, I take my hat off to

1319
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,160
to you, Mike, you're still 
you're still running to go well 

1320
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,240
after all these years. 
And I think that's really 

1321
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,920
difficult thing. 
We're chatting about that 

1322
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:26,120
recently, me and Carol and few 
others who when we all started 

1323
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,080
running, we everybody knew each 
other like we were talking 

1324
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,240
about. 
I don't think of all the people 

1325
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,760
that we've all started running 
together are all still running 

1326
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,000
because a lot of life will catch
up with your injuries. 

1327
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,760
I've got osteorthritis, my knee 
that's just probably aging. 

1328
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,600
But a lot of people get injured,
never really get back into or, 

1329
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,920
you know, various things get 
thrown your way. 

1330
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,360
So I just think enjoy the stuff 
that you're doing while you can 

1331
01:13:54,440 --> 01:14:00,000
do it while you're fit and 
healthy and fair play to people 

1332
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,680
like yourself, Mike, who are 
still doing it all these years 

1333
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:07,440
later at a high level. 
It's a difficult thing to do 

1334
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:09,720
because it's difficult thing to 
especially you had your heart 

1335
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,840
problems as well. 
It's we don't know what's around

1336
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,800
the corner. 
Take what you can, when you can 

1337
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,200
get it and when you've got your 
health, carry on doing it. 

1338
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,840
And then and just, you know, 
enjoying all your enjoying the 

1339
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,560
journey basically isn't it? 
But enjoying what you can do I. 

1340
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,840
Think that's the keyword 
enjoying it. 

1341
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,640
If you're not enjoying it, why 
you're doing it? 

1342
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,040
Why would you do it? 
Why? 

1343
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,440
Why bother? 
You know, you see people like 

1344
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:39,800
moaning and I mean I don't 
particularly like park ground 

1345
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,920
sugar hard, 5 KS are hard. 
Your eyeballs are out the whole 

1346
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,520
way and I do moan all the way 
there. 

1347
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,640
Don't go to park. 
But I'm always, I'm always 

1348
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:51,520
really tough once I've done it. 
Anyways, you like actually, but 

1349
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,720
I, I was never really a nervous 
racer. 

1350
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,080
I was, I was always really 
chilled for the West helmet race

1351
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,440
turning up and things like that.
I think if you've done the 

1352
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:04,120
training for stuff, then you can
turn up at races and fill. 

1353
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,720
I know I've done everything I 
can and I think this is really 

1354
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,960
important for anybody that's 
that's wanted to the best army 

1355
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,200
race or any other race. 
If you've done the training, get

1356
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:21,160
into the start line in one piece
is probably the most important 

1357
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,200
part. 
Get into the start line. 

1358
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,840
You've done the training them as
as that's all you need to do 

1359
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,320
because once you're on the start
line, the rest will take care of

1360
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,600
itself. 
So many people you see getting 

1361
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,200
injured leading up to races that
are like doing stupid stuff or, 

1362
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,160
or, or just the fell over or 
broken ankle or whatever. 

1363
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,840
So getting to the start line of 
that six months training is your

1364
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,560
most important, but getting to 
the end will take care of 

1365
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,760
itself. 
Get to the start line is the 

1366
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,640
most important thing. 
And that start line goes all the

1367
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:58,040
way to the very start line. 
I know somebody two years ago 

1368
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,320
who fell over in the car park, 
the West Highland Way, and they 

1369
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:03,600
didn't make it to the start 
line. 

1370
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,520
Life gets in the way. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1371
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,760
Like we, we had people last year
picking up the number and then 

1372
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:12,920
coming back and handing it back 
in. 

1373
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,480
I I've never had that before. 
Like in all the years it's been 

1374
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:23,400
15 years of involvement of it's 
like what, and you've done six 

1375
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,040
months. 
Why would you then turn up with 

1376
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,760
your crew And then because 
because it's a big commitment to

1377
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,640
bring your crew along and do all
that. 

1378
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,840
But that's that two years ago. 
I think we've had that now of 

1379
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,720
people pulling out on the day 
mad. 

1380
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,880
Well, as Nikki said, I think 
that draws us to a close. 

1381
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,000
Thank you, Sandra for coming on.
Great chat, great catch up. 

1382
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,840
Thank you Nikki for being Nikki 
and it's goodbye for me. 

1383
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,880
Thank you me, and it's been 
great.