1 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:24,280 Hello and welcome back We're tonight's guest has been I've 2 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,560 been involved in the West Island Way since 2010 I think and any 3 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,720 time that I've been there our guest tonight has been there. 4 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,680 My my first involvement with the West Island Way was supporting 5 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:44,640 to a close friend and his not a friend doing starting in Fort 6 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,280 William, running down to the start of the West Highland way, 7 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,040 turning around and going back again. 8 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:55,600 And tonight the the the other Nutter was Keith Hughes. 9 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,400 So welcome, Keith. Thanks very much, Mike. 10 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Hi, Keith. Hello Nikki, good to meet you as 11 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,640 well. So in total contrast to Mike, I 12 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,240 am brand new to the whole West Highland Way scene. 13 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,960 And when Mike introduced me to Keith last week and says I've 14 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:17,680 asked Keith to come on the podcast, I said who? 15 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,760 So just as a bit of background, Keith, for people like myself 16 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,600 and anyone brand new to the scene, who who is Keith Hughes 17 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,200 and how did you get into running? 18 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:35,800 So I guess Keith Hughes is a late 50 something Australian 19 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:42,200 bloke that lives in, in Edinburgh with my, with my son 20 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:48,240 and my puppy dog and, and what seemed to be my, well hopefully 21 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,280 seemed to be moving in with my, my fiance Jenny I've been 22 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,800 involved with, as Mike said, I've been involved the West 23 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:03,240 Holland Way since 2020. Sorry, 2002 was my first W 24 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,840 Holland Way race. I've yeah, I've been living in 25 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Scotland for the last 25 years before that of 30 years and 26 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,160 stuff like that. What else is there to tell about 27 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,800 me? I do IT project management, T 28 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,240 type stuff and occasionally still get out and do some runs 29 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,640 on hills. Fantastic, and how did you get 30 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:35,680 into running in the 1st place? Did you run from young or was 31 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,320 that since you moved to Scotland? 32 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,000 So my first run was actually when I first lived in Glasgow in 33 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,520 the 1990s. I, I, I did the, I saw a sign 34 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,880 for the Glasgow half, the, the great Glasgow half. 35 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,680 So I did then that in about 19 Ninety, 1991 and but that really 36 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,400 didn't, you know, that was that was all good. 37 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,880 I'd never done 1/2 marathon before. 38 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,440 I wasn't really a a runner at all, but I just thought it was 39 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,680 going past my door. So I thought I'll I'll join that 40 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,360 one, you know. Then me and my then wife went 41 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:17,560 back to Australia in 9495 and it was after the birth of my first 42 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,880 of my my eldest daughter Kirstie in 1997. 43 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,840 And I'd seen the, the effort that my ex-wife Shirley had put 44 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,800 in for the birth. And I don't know, I don't know 45 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,200 whether it inspired me or scared me or whatever, but I basically 46 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,200 thought that that was incredible. 47 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,080 I've never seen something incredible in my life. 48 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,880 So I decided I'd go and run a marathon. 49 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,920 I don't know whether at that time I was running away from 50 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,120 something and I still am. But nevertheless I started 51 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,440 running. And yeah, I, I ended up doing a, 52 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,040 a couple of marathons in, in Australia at that time. 53 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,240 My first one was, was a marathon in an island called Rottnest, 54 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,280 which is just off the beach off off the coast in Perth. 55 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,000 And I did that in just under 4 hours. 56 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,320 And then it's sort of, yeah, progressed from there. 57 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:17,760 Myself and, and Shirley moved back to Scotland in in 2000s and 58 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,920 my first, my involvement with the West Highland Way started 59 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:27,120 when I'm I fell into bad company and I met a bloke called John 60 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,360 Kennedy working at Grangemouth Refinery. 61 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:34,560 And somebody had said, oh, if you want to go for a run with at 62 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,160 lunchtime, there's this bloke called John. 63 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,720 He does a bit of running. Anyway, I met this bloke John 64 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,960 and he was a 247 marathon. I'm like, oh man, big long legs 65 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,440 and all the rest of it. And he, and he said to me, oh, 66 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:47,920 have you heard of the West Island Way? 67 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,880 And I had heard of the West Island Way, but he said, yeah, 68 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,320 I'll have run it. I said, oh, no, you, you, you, 69 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,320 you don't run bad. That's, that's like, that's five 70 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:03,920 days walk as as everybody does. Oh, no, no, no, it you just need 71 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,560 to get along at 4 miles an hour. And you know, there we were. 72 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,200 I was running along, you know, probably doing 4 1/2 five minute 73 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,040 case. I'm thinking 4 miles an hour. 74 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,000 That sounds doable. And it just went into my brain 75 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,800 and never got out ever again. You know, it just basically I, I 76 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,600 molded over and I thought, hang on a second. 77 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,640 It just became, it was like, I have to enter. 78 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,000 I'll just have to enter it, you know, But that was obviously 79 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,000 back in the day when, you know, it was you'd made-up for a a run 80 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,480 with like minded people, you know, at that time. 81 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,560 I think one of my first runs I happened to run along with with 82 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,880 Dario and with who was the race direct or the involved in the 83 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,160 race at the time. I think he and beat he might 84 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,800 have even been there if he wasn't. 85 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,800 He was definitely there in those initial runs. 86 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,880 And it was all sort of word of mouth. 87 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,920 And yeah, basically that's how I got involved with the West 88 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,600 Holland Way. And I did my first race in 2002 89 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:08,200 on the back of two half marathons and a load of a load 90 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,440 of bullshit in my mind, basically trying to think, 91 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,400 thinking that I could go and do this. 92 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:18,800 But yeah, completed it in about 30-3 hours and 15 minutes or 93 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,320 something like that. So yeah, yeah, it's sort of been 94 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,040 in me ever since. And that was you completed the 95 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 first time you entered that? Yeah, I did. 96 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:34,680 Yeah, I was. I was last coming into Kinloch. 97 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,080 Sorry. Into King's House, because there 98 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,960 was a checkpoint at King's House at the time. 99 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,880 It was absolutely bucketing down. 100 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,320 I'd spend most of the day faffing about, you know, I think 101 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:54,160 between Balmaha and Rawdon and I stopped four times because my 102 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,600 car was there or my friend's car was there. 103 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,560 Didn't know anything about cracking on and getting on with 104 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,080 it. But yeah, I was, I was, you 105 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,520 know, pushing the time limits at that stage. 106 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,200 And it was absolutely tipping it down. 107 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,400 And I got, I was coming into King's house and it was just 108 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,560 short of 24 hours. It was near the cut off. 109 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,800 And I was just like, oh, this is absolutely horrible evening at 110 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,960 night. But I got there and I was like, 111 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,040 yeah, but if I stop here, I'm only gonna have to get to this 112 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,440 point next year. So. 113 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,720 And, and I got into the checkpoint and I always remember 114 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,160 my my support crew was there, a guy called Mark Hobbs and his 115 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,240 wife. He was ready. 116 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,880 It was as I said, it was absolutely persisting down. 117 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,680 It was 1:00 in the morning, whatever It was absolutely 118 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,000 persisting down. And he was standing there with 119 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,200 his waterproofs on gone. All right, you ready to go? 120 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,440 And and it was just like, that was just the boost I needed. 121 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,560 I was like, well, if he's stood out here in the rain, I better 122 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,440 just crack on and do it. So yeah, I was, I was really 123 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,880 glad to get that one finished, you know. 124 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,920 Terms of checkpoints, how have they changed over the years? 125 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,880 So that one was checkpoint was at, as I say King's house. 126 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,720 They moved that a few years ago to the obviously the bigger car 127 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,400 park. As numbers have gone as have 128 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,720 increased. You know, you used to get a 129 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,160 checkpoint at Derry Derrick at the little bridge and I remember 130 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,840 a couple of times coming in there going for a swim in the, 131 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,880 in the river. And I still do to this day. 132 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,120 If I'm ever I'm going through there, I'll, I'll stop and have 133 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,440 a swim at Derry Derrick. Kamali Cottage was a checkpoint 134 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,840 for for a time. But yeah, fundamentally they, 135 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,480 they're pretty much the same, you know, a couple of those, but 136 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,160 they, they've taken out obviously the smaller, smaller 137 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,440 places because it, you know, you can't have 200 odd people and 138 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,800 cars stopping at Derry Derrick Bridge. 139 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,040 You'd never get out, you know? And as Mike says with the 140 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:03,600 checkpoints, I would imagine since 2002 to present day, the 141 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,560 race, not so much the course, even though in my own research, 142 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:11,600 I know the course has had marginal changes, but there must 143 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,160 have been so many changes with entry process, the tech that 144 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,840 we've got now, even the cat. What differences have you seen 145 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,120 from when you first entered to even to someone entered in 146 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,040 today? Yeah, well, obviously back in 147 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,480 the day when I first started, the course was so much harder. 148 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,880 You know that that goes without saying. 149 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:39,280 You know any any old local teens or or old or old old old woman 150 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,920 will tell you the exactly the same. 151 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:48,000 We had deer styles between Lundavra and and the the Forest 152 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,280 Rd. a forestry Rd. which were conservatively 1820 foot, 25 153 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,640 foot high that you'd have to climb over after 80 miles in 154 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,680 your legs. So yeah, obviously a lot of 155 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:01,680 change. But yeah, you're absolutely 156 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:06,400 right on on other things, you know, just the just knowing, 157 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,160 like even mobile phones, even keeping in contact with people, 158 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,400 even having a, having a watch that would tell you where you 159 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,000 are or how far you've got to run or whatever. 160 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,160 It's it has, it's, it's really it, it, it, it has fundamentally 161 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,360 changed so much. And, and, and I am joking, 162 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,320 obviously it's not become easier. 163 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,840 It's still 95 miles. And yes, some bits of the course 164 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,720 are definitely easier than back in the day. 165 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,280 But then, you know, I hated it at the time, but the little 166 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,480 additions like of putting in the the low Rd. in at Loch Lomond, 167 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,720 that added a lot, a bit of complexity and a bit of 168 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,400 technical stuff. And, and, and actually adds a 169 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,720 bit of time into that section and the section north of there 170 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,200 in the snide up to up to Ben Glass Farm. 171 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,080 You know, that's never going to change. 172 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,040 That's just going to be rocks and goat track for forever, you 173 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,000 know. So yeah, it whilst it's changed, 174 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,720 it's, it's, it's still pretty much exactly the same, the same 175 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,000 challenge that, you know, I first did in 2002. 176 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,080 And, and obviously the people that first kicked it off in, in, 177 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,920 in in the 1990s had to face, you know, the. 178 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,520 Things that I noticed the most is the forestry works just going 179 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:30,240 through like before Balmaha and then later on up like 5 miles 180 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,440 before time drum and then later on further up the course it's 181 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,680 just like forest just gone and this is not the same place. 182 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,400 No, no. It used to be you'd come into 183 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,720 Drum and obviously you'd get into Drummond at 13 Mile or 184 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,680 whatever it happens to be. Then you'd have that long path 185 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:51,960 up and then you'd be in forest, right. 186 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,920 And then your first glimpse of Loch Lomond would be as you 187 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,720 topped out coming up Conic Hill, because up until that you'd 188 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,560 basically either been behind the hill or in forest. 189 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,800 But now it's, it's effectively, you know, way before you even 190 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,440 start going up Conic Hill. And there's a bit of me that's 191 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,800 just like, oh, I really miss running in that forest. 192 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:18,040 Albeit it was always absolutely horrendous for midges at 3:00 or 193 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,640 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. It was horrible. 194 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,840 And yeah, so, you know, swings and roundabouts. 195 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,480 But yeah, exactly that, Mike, you know that I, I do miss that 196 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,840 the way the the course has changed. 197 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,840 And, you know, even the first time going up before London 198 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,120 ever, all of that was forest. And after London ever, all of 199 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,840 that was forest. So yeah, it's, it's, I wonder 200 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,400 what's going to be like in 20 years time with the all the 201 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,400 trees will come back, you know. So back in the day that they 202 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,600 still keep a tracker on you? Or was it just support crews 203 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,200 that had to keep an eye on you? Yeah. 204 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,440 Basically support crews and you know, you'll have to ask 205 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,560 somebody that was in race control at those times, but 206 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:02,560 effectively it was support crews. 207 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,520 It was a lot more, I don't know, maybe sort more, I won't call it 208 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,240 self reliant because everybody had their support crew and I 209 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,560 think there's a lot more emphasis on support crews and 210 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:14,440 making sure that you did have somebody with you that whole 211 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,240 way. But it must have been an 212 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,560 absolute nightmare for to keep control of that. 213 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,640 Now luckily the numbers were small. 214 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:28,160 I mean, when I first completed, I was 33rd out of 40 starters 215 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,560 and 35 finishes or something like that, you know? 216 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,680 So, yeah, it's it, you know, must it's obviously a lot easier 217 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,360 to look after that amount of people rather than the, you 218 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,400 know, 300 that we've got coming in for, for, for this year or 219 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,400 this year's race and over the last couple of years. 220 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,480 But yeah, you know, it must have been phone calls and, you know, 221 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,480 Yeah, yeah. Somebody's lost, I don't think. 222 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:54,880 No, no, I won't even say that. Let's not go there about losing 223 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,880 people. And since 2002, how many times 224 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:08,080 have you completed? So I've completed 13 but DNF one 225 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 is one of my completions with a DNF. 226 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,120 That's a lot of goblets. It is a lot of goblets and is. 227 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,360 It 10 you get a decanter. 10 you get a decanter. 228 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,160 Yeah, absolutely. So where do you keep them all? 229 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,640 They're actually, well, there's a goblet here and it's usually 230 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:28,880 sits on usually sit, they sit on a, on a, on a shelf in my, in my 231 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,640 lounge room here just to my right so I can look over there. 232 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,760 Only recently got them out like in the last year or so, I 233 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,360 finally had a place to put them. So yeah, they just sit up there 234 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,680 on the shelf and my son knows not to ever hit a ball in the 235 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,840 front room here or anything like that. 236 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,560 He knows that those are and he doesn't touch them or anything 237 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,640 like that. So and the cleaner doesn't touch 238 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,280 them or anything like that. So yeah, they just basically sit 239 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,920 up there. And are they all the exact same? 240 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Same design and everything. No, no, give me two seconds. 241 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,640 There are subtle differences in each one, but I'm sure Keith's 242 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,760 going to show us for the listeners out there. 243 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,560 So all the listeners. This is where YouTube has the 244 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,640 advantage. Definitely. 245 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,200 I'm lucky enough I've got a selection of three, so I've got 246 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,200 a whiskey, a whiskey decanter. So they'd run out of goblets in 247 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,680 2002. So I got this one which I'm 248 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,840 quite proud of. It's my first goblet that you 249 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,000 like and it's very limited edition because there's only me 250 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,200 and I think two or three other people that have ever got one 251 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:41,400 that's. Amazing. 252 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,480 General goblets look like this, obviously like that. 253 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,800 So that's a good one. And then this is my most 254 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,280 proudest one, which is a bigger one. 255 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,520 And that was the one that Dario gave me when I did the Great 256 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,520 Glen after finishing the West Island Way in 2009. 257 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,560 And I'm particularly proud of that one because it was quite 258 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,280 sad actually, because obviously he died about two or three weeks 259 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,600 after he passed away. He was out for a run with some 260 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,840 friends. He passed away up on locking the 261 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,080 GAR. So yeah, that was the last 262 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,120 goblet he ever gave. And yeah, but he, we went to a 263 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,000 party at EM Beatty's house or BBQ post race barbecue. 264 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,960 And he, Dario comes up, he finds up and goes, oh, here you go, 265 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,400 Keith, I've got something for you. 266 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,440 And I didn't even open it at the time. 267 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,120 I just thought, oh, thanks, Daria, I've got, I've got a 268 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,080 goblet. But yeah, no, he'd actually got 269 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,800 a special one made-up for me. So I was, I was really quite 270 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,560 chuffed about that, you know. And that's when you have to keep 271 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,680 extra safe. That one is extra shape safe. 272 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,800 Yeah, absolutely. Do you want to? 273 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,040 Nikki probably doesn't even know who Dario was. 274 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,520 You want to say a few words about Dario? 275 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,280 Yeah, I mean Dario for those that don't know him, you'll 276 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,920 you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll see his saw his post. 277 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,840 It's at the top of Loch Lyman, at the top of of the of the 278 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,280 climb out of Loch Climb. And I mean, you know, 279 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,440 collectively known as the, the, the, the, the land of angels or 280 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,720 the the place of angels or, or, or whatever. 281 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:17,160 And Dario's post is there with a little tin cap on the on the top 282 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,560 of it to signify his bald head. That was put there by Tim and 283 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,680 Tim Downey and Dave Waterman a few years ago. 284 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,040 Yeah, Dario was, yeah. I mean, he, he took over the 285 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,080 race organization from, I think it was Stan Millman when I first 286 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,960 did it. Dario took it over and ran it 287 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,600 for about 10 years and he was an infectious bloke. 288 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,360 He was, it was a lovely bloke, Yeah. 289 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,360 Just mad as a box of frogs really came really engaging. 290 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,520 Just really wanted to know, you know, his stories at the end of 291 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,840 presentations, if we, if Dario was still with us, your 292 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,960 presentations would now take upwards of about 9 or 10 hours 293 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,520 because he would have to tell a little story about everybody 294 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,160 because he knew everybody. So, yeah, Dario, it was, it was 295 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,360 a real, it was obviously such a sad time when he when he passed. 296 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:16,600 But yeah, for those that didn't know him, you, we, we're here 297 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,480 today celebrating the West Highland Way, largely because of 298 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,200 all the work that he put in. And. 299 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,720 Yeah, like I said, he was he, he was, he was some some bloke. 300 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:32,640 I remember being camp camping. It must have been 2003 or 2004. 301 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,080 It was August, he says. I just got this random phone 302 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,000 call. Keith, it's Daria. 303 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:39,520 I said hi. Hi. 304 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,680 Yeah, he goes. You're in the race next year and 305 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,960 I'm like, I'm not even sure if I'm not if I'm sure if I'm doing 306 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,720 it yet, mate. He goes no, no, no, no, you're 307 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,880 in the race next year. It's like, oh, okay, thanks 308 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,600 Dario. So that was that was that, you 309 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,800 know, I was told. So yeah, there we go. 310 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,280 And that's how you found out. Yeah, yeah, that's how I found 311 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,200 out, yeah. That's how you found out you 312 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,600 were entering. Yeah, that's how I found out I 313 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,160 was emptied. Yeah. 314 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Yeah, I didn't even entered. That was basically the no, 315 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,240 you're told, you know, So, yeah, I don't know. 316 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,680 He did that a lot. But yeah, no, he was a wonderful 317 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,480 man and. Just as a side for that, like 318 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,440 for people like me that are brand new, I think that's what 319 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,440 is really infectious for the race is there are people like 320 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,600 yourself, Keith Ian race direct or even you Mike when you're 321 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,080 that's open, Jelly Baby hill. There's so many small stories 322 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,080 and when you look onto the West Highland We Race website of the 323 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,600 history of it, It's really, really nice just to see and that 324 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,720 you guys are carrying on these traditions and legacy, which is 325 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:49,800 what makes this race so special. Some somebody else that had had 326 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,120 a history of the West Highway part of the the family was 327 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:59,360 Murder McHugh and he did Jelly Baby Hill for 10 years and used 328 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,120 to vet the races for 10 years I think it was. 329 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:08,480 And I I took over the Jelly Baby Hill role and Keith took over 330 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,880 the vetting role. So we were roped into it. 331 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,800 Takes two of us to do the job of one man. 332 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,280 But, you know, that man is murdered on McEwen, so you know, 333 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:22,160 that's, that's OK, you know? So moving on from Dario's method 334 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,120 of delivering a phone call, I'm guessing you don't deliver phone 335 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:30,120 calls to however many people are allowed into this race. 336 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:33,440 So what are the statistics for that, Keith? 337 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,320 How many people are allowed in and what's the process? 338 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,760 So the, the, the process is, and I'll, I'll just start it off to 339 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,920 begin with people, people ask, oh, how do I get into the West 340 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,400 Island way? The easiest and actually the 341 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,080 only way of getting into the West Island Way race is to 342 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:58,360 complete A65K trial ultra in the last three years. 343 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,920 That is the base level. Do one of those and you'll 344 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,600 either go into the ballot or in, in special in, in certain 345 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,680 circumstances, you'll, you'll move past the ballot. 346 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,200 You'll, you'll be exempt. The exemptions are given to 347 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,480 those people who have run 5 races or more and who have 348 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:22,000 completed a, an ultra race of 65K or more since 2022. 349 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,960 For this year and previous winners, yeah and yeah, 350 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,360 basically top six, etcetera. They'll all get an exemption and 351 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,440 that's basically the criteria. So I looked through all the 352 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:43,240 entries and this year currently as it stands, we've got 504 353 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,880 entries so. Three days left is it? 354 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Yeah, they all, they will close at midnight on the 30th of 355 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,880 November. So I'm not expecting a huge 356 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,120 volume more first, first day. I think we had close to 3 or 350 357 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:03,160 or something like that. So, yeah, so I've, I've now 358 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,120 looked through all of that. I, I confirm that people have 359 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:11,680 done their 65K and then basically those that are exempt, 360 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:18,280 as I say, people like myself, for example, I did my last 361 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,440 ultra, I only just scraped in this year. 362 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:25,280 My last ultra was more 800 in 2022 and I've done before race 363 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,520 and so I'm exempt. Fiona Rennie and Neil 364 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:35,120 Mccritchie, obviously copious overachievers and show offy sort 365 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,040 of people, you know, with their 18 goblets. 366 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,960 They, they clearly, they clearly say sail through. 367 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,840 We're gonna have to make some sort of special criteria for 368 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,880 those guys. But yeah, over and above that. 369 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:50,600 We we then we have a review of all of the all of the people 370 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,960 and, and you know, there are other criteria as well. 371 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,840 So for example, you know, long term people that have marshalled 372 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,560 that have helped out over a number of years. 373 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,400 You know, we, we like rewarding, we obviously reward that sort of 374 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,040 giving back to the race, you know, so yeah. 375 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,680 But the, the numbers are relatively small for all of 376 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,160 that. And then the remainder of the 377 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,400 people just go into a ballot and come Sunday or Monday, whenever 378 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,080 it happens to probably Monday or Tuesday of next week, we 379 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,480 literally take everybody's SI entry number and we Chuck it 380 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:31,320 into a random number generator and outcomes the 1st 300 people 381 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:37,160 and they'll get off at a place. And then how long do they have 382 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,600 to confirm that place? So I think we give them a few a 383 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,880 week or two and then there's a waiting list. 384 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,480 But I'm sure we shut the waiting list off around about the end of 385 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,240 I think it's, if it's the end of January, it's, it's late, you 386 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,720 know, I, I think it's a bit earlier than that actually. 387 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,800 But yeah, we, because obviously you want to give people who've 388 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,760 got a place time to try and get ready and all the rest of it. 389 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,760 And as I said, we we issue a total of 300 invites for the 390 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,200 race knowing full well that unfortunately by by the race day 391 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,600 about 60 or 70 will have pulled out through injury or whatever. 392 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,880 And that gives us a good, good race. 393 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,320 Numbers were about 220 on the day. 394 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,120 And the people that are unsuccessful the first time in 395 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,120 the ballot, did they get a place for people that haven't 396 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,480 confirmed initially? If there's a waiting list, so 397 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,240 we've we've ordered, you know, we've got say we've got 330 398 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,080 people, we issue 300 invites and then 30 go on the waiting list. 399 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,800 And so you know, yeah, basically if, if somebody pulls out, then 400 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,520 301 gets an invite, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 401 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,560 And I think over the last few years it's only been a, you 402 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 know, if you're, if you're after about 320 or something like 403 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,400 that, you, you're unlikely to get, you know, and that's why we 404 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,680 close it, you know, it's basically, basically done, you 405 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,840 know. And do you find that the numbers 406 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,520 of entrants keep going up and up every year? 407 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,320 Is this year as far as the most? I think this year I think is 408 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,400 particularly high. I think last year we had around 409 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,000 about 450 at this stage. So I did the vetting then. 410 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,280 But yeah, this year is, yeah, is well, as I say, 504, we probably 411 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,720 top out around about 510 or something like that. 412 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,120 For those people that haven't met the criteria, I do send out 413 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:40,080 emails and I ask for additional information, you know, So I've 414 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,400 sent out what I've only said at send out about 10 or 15 emails 415 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,160 this year of people that, you know, didn't put any criteria in 416 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,760 whatsoever. I couldn't find them on DUV 417 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,400 statistics or, well, quite frankly. 418 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,200 If you can't fill in the bloody spreadsheet of the entry form, I 419 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,160 sometimes just lose the will to live, quite frankly. 420 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,520 And you don't get a place just by sheer belligerence. 421 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,040 What kind of thing is that actually missing? 422 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,920 Is it just because they don't read it? 423 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,000 I think so, yeah. And that's why I do send an 424 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,800 e-mail, you know, I'll send an e-mail. 425 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,600 Please provide more information. If they haven't got back to me, 426 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,040 then unfortunately that's them just removed from the list. 427 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,360 But as I said, the numbers are very small. 428 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,360 And I try to make the point that to people who you know have 429 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:29,920 done, you know, unfortunately we do get some people who have done 430 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,320 really stupendous efforts, you know, FKTS and stuff like that 431 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,560 or big long Strava runs or whatever with there's no 432 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,040 doubting that the people could do the race. 433 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,520 And back in the day it would have been enough. 2002 you would 434 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:50,800 have got a place, but the fact is 470 people have completed a 435 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,760 65K race or more. So unfortunately, if you haven't 436 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,280 then you know why are you special? 437 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,800 It's it's hard. It's you're not, you know, 438 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,000 brutal, but it basically you know you're you know, the 439 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,600 easiest way is just do the race. There's no query, you know 440 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,200 anyway. Do you get people that are 441 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,800 filling in the form that have just done a 10K and think that 442 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,280 they're going to get in? Not anymore, no. 443 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,720 I think, I think the majority of people, there was one or two 444 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,760 this year that are clearly we're just not. 445 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,280 I don't think they were trying it on either. 446 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,400 They hadn't read the criteria or whatever. 447 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,120 But I've gone back to queries and it's just like, Oh no, 448 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,520 sorry, I didn't realize. And therefore we just, we, you 449 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200 know, I'll send them a well, please looking forward to seeing 450 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,160 you next year and more importantly, looking forward to 451 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,040 seeing you in, in, in Fort William in June of a subsequent 452 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,640 year with when you get your goblet. 453 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,120 You know, and I think, you know, I think people are generally 454 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,280 aware of, you know, as I say, the criteria. 455 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,280 And yes, it's not, it's not that onerous, you know. 456 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,120 Yeah, a lot of international athletes entered. 457 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:07,600 This year, so this year we've got 26 countries represented 458 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,960 actually very small numbers relatively obviously as we, as 459 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:19,320 we, as we get across the, as we get off across the different 460 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,840 countries, etcetera. I mean the majority of countries 461 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,360 obviously come from or entries come from the UK and a few, few 462 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,320 more from the States I think. But yeah, we've got, we've got 463 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:35,960 loads of people from, yeah, also it's Portugal, yeah. 464 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,440 Like I said, 26 different countries are represented this 465 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,640 year. So it's, it's quite a, quite a, 466 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,600 a, a good spread, you know. So it's quite nice seeing those 467 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,240 international runners, albeit as a, because you've got to have 468 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520 your support crew. I think it's quite challenging 469 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,800 for a, for an international runner to come in and, and you 470 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,760 know, you'll, you'll often see on the West on on the website 471 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,240 coming up next year, you'll see people wanting to help out, 472 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,360 sorry, needing help for support crew, etc. 473 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,400 So that's obviously something to be considered for our 474 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,280 international runners. Yeah. 475 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,480 So yeah, there we go. And you saying that is somewhere 476 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,640 for someone, say, for instance, if they weren't confident enough 477 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,560 to enter the race but wanted to see what it was all about. 478 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,240 Is there a way people can help the international athletes? 479 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,960 Yeah, I think generally and without sort of setting up a 480 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:35,120 making a rod for our own back, I do know that we, you know, we do 481 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,000 put up notes. I know John Monroe, he'll 482 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,040 probably hate me for this, but he does put out a notification 483 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,160 come January of requesting for support crew for Marshalls, 484 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,600 etcetera. So, yeah. 485 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,800 And otherwise, otherwise it's just a Facebook page that people 486 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,880 will advertise on and say can anybody help me out, you know, 487 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,640 yeah. So that's that's, that's where 488 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,240 people come in. And you've obviously got, you've 489 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,640 done your 5 now, so you get an automatic entry as long as you 490 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,240 meet the criteria. But when you did your first one, 491 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,080 would you meet the criteria for the race now? 492 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,800 Absolutely not. No, no, 100% not no. 493 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,840 I'd literally done a marathon in 2000. 494 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,000 I ran the London Marathon in 2000. 495 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,600 I had done a couple of half marathons that year. 496 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,120 No, I wouldn't meet my own criteria now, but I did go for a 497 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,440 run with Ean Beatty and, and Dario and and John Kennedy. 498 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,800 And it was sort of like, Oh yeah, I think he's all right. 499 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,720 He should be all right. It's all word of mouth and that. 500 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,960 And, and to be fair, most people who enter, as I say, it's no 501 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,640 disrespect to the to the people who do put in entries that say 502 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,480 I've done a really good straw of a run or whatever. 503 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,200 There is no doubt that these people, as I said 1520 years ago 504 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,040 would have got a place. But it's just, we just can't, 505 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,400 you know, it can't be done like that anymore. 506 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,040 And it's, it is what it is, you know. 507 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,560 So, yeah, it is a shame, but yeah. 508 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,480 And I wouldn't make it. I'd be still waiting around. 509 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,840 So my first ultra was the West Island way. 510 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,960 That was the first time I'd run more than 26 miles. 511 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,520 That's nuts that I'll tell you what, that's some accolade. 512 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,120 My first ultra was the West Highland way. 513 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,880 Someone talked me out of having the devil as my first ultra and 514 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,240 I'm glad they did. Indeed, indeed. 515 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,560 So is that is the criteria surely because the the ultra 516 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,320 running world seems to have opened up and it's just that is 517 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,440 getting really popular now, isn't it? 518 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,320 Is it just to kind of streamline that and give the people a 519 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,840 chance? It, it is, I think, I think so 520 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,280 it gives everybody an equal chance. 521 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,040 And it's not who, you know, I mean, in the, in the entry form, 522 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:09,160 in the entry this year I've got 3 or 4 really close mates that I 523 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,400 would love to see get an entry. But they go into the ballot, you 524 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,600 know, and it makes it fairer. As I say, if you run a 20, if 525 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,840 you run a 65K race, a trial race or more than you, you get a 526 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,200 place in the ballot. And it's not because you had a 527 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,360 run with Keith Hughes or an Beatty or you, you know, you've 528 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,800 got a, you've got a stupid accent or something like that. 529 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,480 It's literally just because, you know, you've done the qualifying 530 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,160 criteria. I think it makes it as fair as 531 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,880 we possibly can, you know? So when I'm 40, there's no 532 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,840 briberies accepted or anything that's into the ballot. 533 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,800 Well, there, you know, Mike was, you know, that was one of the 534 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,680 questions. Obviously you, you pre loaded 535 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,280 and I was thinking that what would be a bribe? 536 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,720 What would be a bribe? Well, I did check Mike's 537 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,960 statistics, right. And, and you know, just because 538 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,480 I thought the question came from Mike. 539 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,120 So I've checked Mike's statistics and we have to check 540 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,440 if the backyard ultras count what his mileage was and if they 541 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,280 were off road. But they're probably OK. 542 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,280 So I'm thinking for you, Mike, it's it's they're OK. 543 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,520 But your bribery would have to be Flora's cakes, mate. 544 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,120 I need, need a bit of Flora's cake action and that would be 545 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,040 that might get you through. But no, it won't. 546 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,080 No, I'm. Sure, it could be arranged. 547 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,000 And As for you, Nikki, I'm not. We haven't met yet, but yeah, 548 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,280 yeah, just do the race, you know, win, win a race. 549 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,280 There's a good one. When one come. 550 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,200 Come first, come first in the devils. 551 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,680 That'll that'll get you, that'll get you noticed. 552 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,200 I I think if if the devil was me and no one else, then I might 553 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,200 have a chance. There you go. 554 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,960 There you go. Just one last thing, on the 555 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,960 entry process, one thing I did want to ask was the gender 556 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,240 split. Are you finding there's a lot 557 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,920 more females incident as the yields go on? 558 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,440 I don't think so. I think that, I mean, currently 559 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:21,320 we've got, as I say 504 entries. We've got 121 females and 383 560 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,000 males. So, yeah, I mean that and I 561 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,120 think consistently it's usually been about, about that mix. 562 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,960 Yeah, yeah. So that's basically that's 563 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,280 basically the split that we've got at the moment. 564 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,320 What does obviously think I I I should really should do the 565 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,159 stats on the finishes and I think you'll find that the of 566 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,320 the females that get a place, how many of them complete I 567 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,159 think would be a higher percentage than the blokes, but 568 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,920 I haven't I only do this end of the of the analysis, not the 569 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,159 other end. That's about four A 4:00 to 570 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,520 1:00. Yeah, yeah. 571 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,880 That's, that's interesting. Have you done any races outside 572 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,160 of Scotland then Keith? Just the Transgran Canaria, I 573 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:21,040 did that back in 2014, I think 2013, two thousand and 1413 I 574 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,200 think it was. I was, I was dead last and was 575 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,800 65 seconds from ADNF out of 30 hours. 576 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,920 So yeah, that was that was that was a close one. 577 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,360 But yeah, I'm actually going back there in February of next 578 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,680 year to do that one again and see how I get on. 579 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,080 I'm a little bit dubious because I'm 10 years older or 12 years 580 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,600 older and I'm not definitely not fitter. 581 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:51,800 So yeah, we'll see how that one goes on, you know? 582 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,960 We were going to ask you what's your favorite race, but since 583 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,840 you've only done one other Velotra other than, well, 584 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,480 actually, no. If you've done other ones, 585 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,880 you've done other ones in Scotland. 586 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,720 Yeah, I've done other ones in Scotland, so fling a few times. 587 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,240 I've never done the Devils. I've never never done the 588 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,000 Devils. It's never worked out time, but 589 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,840 I'm doing that next year. Obviously the the the 100 590 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,640 Miller, the DD 99. I've I've done that Jedbra a 591 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,440 couple of times. Oh, no, Jedbra once. 592 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,040 I think that really, really sums it all up. 593 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,480 Oh, Catherine and the Catherine. I've swept the Catherine at 594 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,640 least six or seven times, which I absolutely love. 595 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,200 So if you're asking me what my favorite race would be in 596 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,720 Scotland, it's got to be the Catherine. 597 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,480 Not that I don't love the West Highland way, I do, but just 598 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,840 for, you know, 15 hours of absolutely beautific Perthshire 599 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,160 countryside and rolling hills and bit of mud and it's some 600 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,760 hills and trail and cows and oh, it's just beautiful. 601 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,120 It's absolutely beautiful. I love the Catherine. 602 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,600 And I would say I would probably agree as well That's I've always 603 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,000 said that's probably my favorite race. 604 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,040 So yeah, it's just beautiful, yeah. 605 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,600 It's on my To Do List. Good to hear. 606 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,680 Have you had any other adventures in or with racing? 607 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,360 Not really, no. I guess I mean, just in the 608 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,640 obviously West Island way, just the, just the, that's the double 609 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,680 and the, and the the run up to Inverness, the combined West 610 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,320 Island way. Great Glen, I guess is my only 611 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080 other two adventures, if you like. 612 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,840 Oh, and the the time me and George wanted to do the Southern 613 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,680 Upland way in winter, we got into 100 miles, but, yeah, that 614 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,320 that didn't happen. Yeah. 615 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,400 Navigation not being my strong point, as people that know me 616 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000 will will attest. Yeah. 617 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,560 So just those really, really those three things. 618 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,960 Yeah. You, you say just did you just 619 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,240 say West Highland Way and Great Glen Way at the same time? 620 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:05,960 Yeah, one after the other did that in 2009. 621 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,760 That was the, that was the the goblet that Dario gave me when I 622 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:15,920 completed it. So, and I was super proud that 623 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,920 my FKT for that lasted up until this year. 624 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,280 And I was even more super proud to have given Paul Hammond, who 625 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,280 who beat my FKT by just shy of four hours. 626 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,160 He did it in 4526, this year and I was so glad to meet him in 627 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,320 Stone Haven in August of this year and give him a, give him a 628 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,040 memento, a goblet, a memento for the, for the occasion because he 629 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,680 did an absolute cracking run. So I was, I was really, but I 630 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,440 was also glad that my my record lasted for 15 years. 631 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,680 I was pretty tough for that. So was that, was that a solo out 632 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640 and did you just go out and just, I'm saying just like 633 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,400 flippantly, it's obviously a massive achievement. 634 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,600 Did you do that out with an event? 635 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,000 So he started. No, no, I I completed the West 636 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,480 Island way. Then. 637 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,040 Yeah, yeah. Finished the race in 23 or yeah, 638 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,040 just under 24 hours. Had a shower and then I arranged 639 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,600 all my support crew and stuff like that. 640 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,600 We just continued on up the up the Great Glen. 641 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,560 And how did you feel at the end of that? 642 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,720 Broken. Broken. 643 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,040 Yeah. I mean, my feet were, my feet 644 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,960 were absolutely in bits. Yeah, I, you know, I was 645 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,200 basically a death shuffle from about, I don't know, Drummond 646 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,320 Rocket in. Oh, no. 647 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,240 Fort Augustus in. Yeah, it was just, yeah, just a 648 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,400 death March. But yeah. 649 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,400 Yeah, one of those, one of those things, like I said, 15 years 650 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,760 ago, I thought I could do anything, you know? 651 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,760 Yeah. And before I ask a question 652 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,280 about your crew, just on the fly, there's been 561 females 653 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,560 finished the West Highland way. Some of them have multiple times 654 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,840 and 2383 males. So it is about four to one 655 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,960 males. So that's about the same as 656 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,000 entries. Yeah. 657 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,680 So that's interesting. Thanks, Brian. 658 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,960 No, I was a way to ask you West Highland Way. 659 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,160 You obviously need a crew so and you you must have had a few of 660 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,880 them over the years. Yep. 661 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,560 You want to Have you got any stories about them? 662 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,480 Mention them, shout them out. Yeah, I can't. 663 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,520 I can't do it without. Them. 664 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,200 Yeah, no, absolutely. You know, I've, I've had, I've, 665 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:41,800 I've had support crew, my mate Mike who, who was one of my 666 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,680 chief support crew, Mike Johnson, He he, he helped me out 667 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,560 about, oh, a good number of times. 668 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:55,160 And I was lucky enough to return the favor this year as, as he 669 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,040 got his first goblet. Yeah. 670 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,080 So it was him. Matt Steiner is another one. 671 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,560 Supported him? No, he supported me a number of 672 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,920 times. And luckily enough a few years 673 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,200 ago I was able to return the favor with him as well. 674 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:14,400 So, and then, yeah, my daughter supported me once or twice. 675 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,400 She supported me when I did my double, as you know. 676 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,480 And other friends have come, come and gone and, and yeah, 677 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,040 it's been, yeah, it's been, yeah, basically. 678 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,000 I mean, you can't do the race without them. 679 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,520 And yeah, it's, it's, it's great when you've, well, I said in my 680 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,840 first race, you know, Mark Hobbs in the absolute tipping down, 681 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,880 pissing down rain and it was freezing cold. 682 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,560 And there he is ready to go. And you, you perk yourself up. 683 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,760 You go, oh, I can't be, I, I, I know I'm feeling like rub it 684 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,600 like shit. Just just crack on. 685 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,440 Because this person's given up their whole day just to help me 686 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,160 do what I want to do. And they really give you a 687 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,960 boost. And yeah, I couldn't have done, 688 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,480 couldn't have got any of my goblets without any of my 689 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:05,280 support crew over the years. Yes, there's something else. 690 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,440 After supporting you have any of them went on to get a goblet? 691 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,000 Yeah, so both Mike and Matt have, have, have gone on got got 692 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,440 goblets, which is which has been great. 693 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,800 I mean, Matt I used to work with, you know, he, you know, 694 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,360 he, he got his first goblet a few years ago. 695 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,240 And yeah, once again, I, I ran in from with him, from, from 696 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,840 Glencoe and it was just just magic, absolutely magic. 697 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:39,560 And then this year Mike, who's one of my best mates, he, he, he 698 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,040 got his goblet and we, we came across Larry Moore without head 699 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,600 torches, just in the climbing, coming past people, you know, 700 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,920 and it's, you know, 2020 odd miles from Glencoe and in the 701 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,800 last 13 and without a head torch. 702 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,200 And it was just just the most amazing experience just to be 703 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,240 out there running with with your mate that you've known 20 odd 704 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,400 years and, and, and sharing that time and, and then obviously 705 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,720 next day seeing them get their goblet. 706 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,640 It's, it's, it's pretty special, you know? 707 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,640 Is your daughter going to get one? 708 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,320 I don't know, not the oldest one, the youngest 1 maybe, but 709 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,680 yeah, it might be a few years off. 710 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,680 She's currently traveling around South Southeast Asia. 711 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200 So yeah, maybe, maybe one day, but I don't know. 712 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,440 Nah. And the oldest one, Nah, Nah. 713 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,640 She, I think, I think she might help me out again if I can give 714 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,400 you, as long as I don't tell her which what date it is and just 715 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,040 ask her to meet me at the Green Willy or something like that, 716 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,960 you know? And having been on both sides of 717 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,880 it, is there any advice that you would give to people that are 718 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,080 potentially helping to support people? 719 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,480 Yeah, I mean it it it's it's really you've just you've got no 720 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,120 time. You never have any time and you 721 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,160 think you've got even I I supported Richie Cunningham a 722 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,960 few years ago and he he obviously former race winner and 723 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,920 he's running a sub twenty time time frame and you, you so 724 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,960 you're you're constantly running and and been moving and getting 725 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,240 things ready and all the rest of it. 726 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,920 But it doesn't seem to matter. Even with a 27 hour person or a 727 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,960 30 hour person, it doesn't matter. 728 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,080 You don't have any time. So anything you can do to 729 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,600 minimize your faffage so that when your runner comes in, 730 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,760 you're ready to go. You've got the stuff laid out, 731 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,120 you've got socks laid out. You know where the food is. 732 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,200 You know what they're gonna want, You know, you've 733 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,720 anticipated questions. You know, you've prepared a 734 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,800 loving, you've prepared a platter of of goodies to for 735 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,200 them to choose from. You know it's it. 736 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,760 Yeah. Anything you can do to minimize 737 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,480 that sappage and get stuff ready. 738 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,080 Things like, I don't know, get a thermos and boil some water, 739 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,360 keep it in the thermos so that when they're there, you can then 740 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,880 put it into their instant noodles or their cup of soup or 741 00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,080 their cup of coffee or whatever. Don't wait for them to get there 742 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,640 to start boiling water up, you know? 743 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,600 So yeah, there's any, as I say, anything you can do to minimize 744 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,360 faffage is, is probably the key, key thing there. 745 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,680 Get and get your runner out the door as soon as like as soon as 746 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,320 you can. Give them a cuddle when they 747 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,760 need it, but a kick in the ass when they when they when they 748 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,080 also need it, you know? Is there any sort of one thing 749 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,840 that you can think of that's been like, oh, I wish I didn't 750 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,800 do that. I could have saved half an hour. 751 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,160 It's faffage. It's it's always faffage. 752 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,400 It's, it's literally it. Well, that first race when I, 753 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,760 when I sat down more than I ran, I think, you know, it's, it's 754 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,920 stopping that, that, that it's minimizing your time at 755 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,680 checkpoints. It's yeah, basically that it's, 756 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,520 yeah, it's just keep moving, keep moving, you know, change on 757 00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,040 the run, you know, walk in, walk out. 758 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,360 If you're walking, eating, you eating your cup of soup, you're 759 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:09,480 doing a 25 minute mile, you know, So, you know, rather than 760 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,440 sitting in your chair, which is doing a 0 minute mile, you know, 761 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,600 Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's minimizing 762 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,200 the sappage, you know? And is that what you would have 763 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,800 fuel wise for something really long distance like the West 764 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,480 Highland waste soup and noodles and. 765 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,480 Yeah, I like, I like real food. I start off with like gels and 766 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:31,960 stuff like that, like everybody does. 767 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,000 But I like real food. I like mashed potatoes. 768 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,760 I like risotto soup. I like chicken sandwiches if I 769 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,240 can get them. Fruit, oranges, grapes, oranges. 770 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,640 Anybody that knows me runs runs with me knows they're gonna hand 771 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,160 it a a tangerine sometime during the day. 772 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,200 Yeah, it's it that breaks up the flavor of flavor of the gels if 773 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,080 you're having them gives you something else. 774 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,280 Milk is another one. Not the people don't understand 775 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,320 what I like milk, but a a pint of milk is, is, is just just 776 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,360 brilliant and you know, cleans the cleans the pallet gives you 777 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,400 protein. Yeah. 778 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,760 So those are the, those are the, those are my go to, you know, 779 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:20,000 but real food, not just I don't like the the tailwinds or 780 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,680 anything like that. I've tried them but they just 781 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,160 don't don't work for me, you know? 782 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,720 Yeah, I've had a pint of milk and orange juice within an hour 783 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,120 during a race, and it wasn't pretty, but it didn't taste that 784 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:33,440 bad. Oh. 785 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,200 You mean combined? The after taste. 786 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,000 Well, I was thinking if that comes back. 787 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,280 No, it did. It did. 788 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,720 Oh no. No. 789 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,400 Moving on, what would you say is your biggest running 790 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,480 achievement? Yeah, I think, I think the, you 791 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,240 know, the, the great Glenn was was won. 792 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,520 And then I guess the the double the year I did the double was as 793 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,640 you said, Mike early starting off this call when me and George 794 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,520 went to went went to do the double the first time. 795 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,400 And we got as far as we we left Fort William at we wanted to get 796 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:22,480 a sub 24 on the way down. So we left Fort William at must 797 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,040 have been midnight and we made it. 798 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,240 We got as far as it was a really scorching hot day and we got as 799 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:32,720 far as rail or Denon, so only 27 mile from the end. 800 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,400 And yeah, basically we, we realized we weren't going to 801 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,600 make the race start. So we we bended at that time and 802 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,040 then got to the start, drove to the start and then obviously did 803 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,760 the race the next day. So that or they at 1:00 the next 804 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,360 day. So that ate away at me for a 805 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,480 little while. And then finally on the back in 806 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,520 2015, I ended up doing the doing the double. 807 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,840 So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really quite happy with that, quite 808 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,720 proud of that. And you know that I DNFIDNFD at 809 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,200 at being glass. I was about an half an hour, 45 810 00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,240 minutes after the cut off and that main bastard Johnny Fling 811 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,400 said, Nah, you're done. Quite rightly so. 812 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,120 And but I just continued on anyway with my support crew. 813 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,240 I had my all my own support crew and all, all the rest of it and 814 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,120 ended up finishing in just over. It was 6415 or something like 815 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,880 that. So yeah, I was, I was really 816 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,000 happy to get that one out of the way because yeah, it'd been 817 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,400 eating away at me for a little while. 818 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,360 And I was, I was, I was really chuffed to get that one, get 819 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,400 that one finished. Couldn't do it now though. 820 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,360 But yeah, I'm glad I did it at the time. 821 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:51,440 Yeah, when you did the when you were on your way down South, I 822 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,480 had parked at Balmaha. I ran to River Denon to meet 823 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,440 you, but you were stopping there. 824 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,440 You guys got a lift to the start. 825 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,840 I ran to the start, but then I obviously had to run back to 826 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,080 Balmaha to get my car. So I ended up doing about 50 827 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,800 miles that day. Brilliant. 828 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,160 Absolutely brilliant. Yeah, Jeez. 829 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,360 So Keith, you keep running all the time and it's amazing, all 830 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,080 these achievements. What keeps you going? 831 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,520 As a sign, it's, it's, it's just, it's just the buzz. 832 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,880 It's just the, the feeling of going for a run out on a hill. 833 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,520 You, you know, I live here, here in Edinburgh, I live, you know, 834 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,440 I can be on the Pentlands within about 20 minutes, half an hour 835 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,560 and you get, get out of the other side of the hills there. 836 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,040 You, you might as well be 500 miles away. 837 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,600 You're out in the middle of nowhere. 838 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,560 You're running along usually with some mates or I mate, 839 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,160 You're talking about stuff that's going on in your head for 840 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,680 the 1st 5 or 10 minutes. And then you're talking about 841 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,080 inconsequential stuff like, you know, the nature of the universe 842 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,280 and, and you know, what are you gonna have for what are you 843 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,880 gonna have for breakfast the next day or other stuff. 844 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,360 You just clear your head and it's just, it's just a great 845 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,600 buzz and I, and yeah, as a sign I wouldn't, I, I, yeah, I, I, I 846 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,520 would hate to, to look at the day when I couldn't actually go 847 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,280 for a run, albeit I know that, you know, I'm slowing down, but 848 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,360 but just having that buzz and that, that feeling of, you know, 849 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,120 just away from it all, you know, and it's not, you know, people 850 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,920 would say you're running away. You're running too. 851 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,880 I think it's a bit of a combination of, of both. 852 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,840 You know, you run away from your day-to-day, but you're running 853 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,600 to what? Towards something a little bit 854 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,520 more peaceful and a little bit more inside yourself, you know? 855 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,160 And yeah, it's. And that feeling of at least 856 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,280 I've had a run this weekend, you know, that's always good, you 857 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,280 know? See, you're wearing the West 858 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,760 Highway T-shirt there. Something else that the West 859 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,200 Highway do is buffs. And I've been told that I have 860 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,800 to ask the question, how many buffs do you think you've got? 861 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,160 Probably only got about. Probably got about 6:00 or 7:00. 862 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,560 I've got the limited edition rainbow one with a stupid peak 863 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,360 cap on it. I've got yeah, I've got a number 864 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,960 of them. I've got the I've got a pirate 865 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,760 one. I've got yeah, I've probably got 866 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,440 six or seven buffs, I think purple 1, blue one. 867 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,920 I know I had a red 1, yellow one. 868 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,760 I've got a bright yellow one as well. 869 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,960 Yeah. So yeah. 870 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,520 What about non W other way? I've got a few. 871 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,640 I've got a original Catherine Trail one. 872 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,480 Bright yellow. I've got one of them as well. 873 00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,840 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That was where I had tonight. 874 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,680 I've got a Jamie Aaron's climbing all doing all the 875 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,640 Munroes, 282 Munroes buff as well. 876 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,240 That's quite a that's quite a nice one. 877 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,800 Yeah. And what else? 878 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,520 Yeah. I've got any other significant 879 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:55,400 ones? No, I think that. 880 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,320 I think that'll probably be the summering them up, you know? 881 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,120 And more more important, I'm sure, when you're out in your 882 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,360 run, you say you go out in the Pentlands to clear your head. 883 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,240 What is it you think about when you're running? 884 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,160 Yeah, I don't know. As I say, I think you process 885 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,360 your week or your day or the all the shit that's going on in the 886 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,360 1st 5 or 10 minutes or something like that. 887 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,400 And then, I don't know, it's almost like clearing, clearing 888 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,600 your mind of thought of, of active thought. 889 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,880 If I I'm thinking about the next step or I'm thinking about, oh, 890 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,000 I've got to get up that hill or you're looking at your clock 891 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,040 going, oh, yeah, I've done that's 10 miles in 16 hours. 892 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,880 Jeez, I'm going a bit slow today or, or what? 893 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,720 Yeah. Yeah. 894 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,320 I don't, I don't tend to think about. 895 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,600 Yeah, I don't ever come back from a overrun thinking, oh, I'm 896 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,000 glad I've solved that problem. I just come back feeling 897 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,720 refreshed from it, you know, because I've not had to think an 898 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:55,880 awful lot. And I don't listen to music 899 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,480 while I run. I, you know, it's not something 900 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,840 I like doing. I just like listening to the, 901 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,560 the sound of the birds or, or, or whatever, you know? 902 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,880 So yeah, I don't tend to think of an awful lot. 903 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,280 Do you have a dream race or any more races on a bucket list 904 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,280 anywhere? Yeah, I was trying to. 905 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,360 I'm just trying to think of this. 906 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,600 No, not really, you know, but I can get a few more West Island 907 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,280 ways under my belt. I'll be happy enough Cat 908 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,680 hopefully sweeping the catering next year and yeah, completion 909 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,840 of Gran Canaria next year. I did one at one time wanted to 910 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,320 the UTMB, but I just don't think I'm ever going to qualify with 911 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,880 the points or the stepping stones or whatever other 912 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,400 criteria they're going to use. So. 913 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,840 And I'm long past of trying to get into something like the bad 914 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,200 water or anything like that. So yeah. 915 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,360 And I think, I think, yeah, the bucket races, yeah, I don't 916 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,240 really have, it's maybe a bit more race tourism, maybe a few 917 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,280 city marathons or something like that. 918 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:01,360 That my, that my mate Norm, who's another one of my support 919 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,000 crew has done. Oh, he's another guy. 920 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,080 He he, he did a, he did a goblet. 921 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,480 He supported me and he got a goblet a few years later. 922 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,920 That's always good. Yeah. 923 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,720 So no, I don't don't have anything major coming up, you 924 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:16,040 know. Well, I don't think you can have 925 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,160 too many goblets and I think a second the candle would be nice. 926 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:22,640 Yeah, I might be a few years off that. 927 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,120 That's at least eight races. So yeah, Yeah. 928 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,400 You never know though, and I don't know what I don't know 929 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,200 what. Well, let's not, let's not 930 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,440 previous presuppose that. Let's not put pressure on Fiona 931 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,240 and and Neil for what you get for 20. 932 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,680 I think it should be 20. I think it should be 25 anyway. 933 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,160 20, Yeah, that's a. Bit easy, is it not? 934 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,600 Go, go, go with the park run. The park run milestones is 25 S, 935 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,320 yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 936 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:58,240 So your dream race is probably the West Highway. 937 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,640 What about somebody you would want to run with? 938 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,920 Is there? Is there somebody who you would 939 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,240 want to run the West Highway with? 940 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,400 It could be alive or not. Yeah, I guess I was thinking 941 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:23,480 about this and I'd really hoped this year I was up in. 942 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,360 So he's got there's two parts to this answer. 943 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,480 First, who, who would I want to run the West Island way with? 944 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,760 I'd love to run the race with my mate George, George Reed. 945 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,960 Unfortunately he won't be able to do that. 946 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,880 We we do well to have a couple of pints in a in a walk around 947 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,360 up up there in Stone Haven. I'd love to have another have 948 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,880 another run with my with my best mate George. 949 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:58,120 The other person I, I would have liked to have run with a bit 950 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:05,000 more would have been Susan, Susan Greg, who, who supported 951 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,000 my mate Matt this year in the West Island way. 952 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,960 And I was, we're all sharing digs up in, in, in Fort William 953 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,560 after the race. And I actually, oddly enough, I 954 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,720 ended up sharing, sharing a room with, with, with Susan up in, in 955 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,640 Fort William. We had a great time after the 956 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:27,440 race, you know, me and Mike and, and Matt and Susan and Ewan and, 957 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,200 and Michelle who were all our support crews and stuff like 958 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,880 that. Susan had always, we'd, we'd run 959 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,880 a few times here in, in Edinburgh, you know, and she'd 960 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,160 always had the goal of, of running the West Highland Way. 961 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:48,120 And unfortunately she was, she was sadly taken from us a few 962 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,600 weeks after the West Highland Way. 963 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,640 And so that was that. I would have liked to have, I 964 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,360 would like to send her, get her goblet. 965 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,880 Yeah, that would have been a that would have been a really 966 00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,520 fitting thing because we used to wind her up, me and Ian Beattie 967 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,440 and others, just sort of like, come on, Susan Goblet's yours. 968 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,520 Just go and get it, Just go and get it. 969 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,160 And yeah, unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately she was taken well 970 00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,680 short of a time. But that would have been. 971 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,440 That would have been a nice one, I think. 972 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,800 Oh. Sorry, we had to. 973 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,240 No, no, no, I, no, no, I don't. I don't think it it's, it is a 974 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,960 damn no, obviously, because you lose somebody special like that. 975 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,960 But the fact that you knew them to begin with and you knew them, 976 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,560 you can remember them and you knew what their goal. 977 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,400 You know, when I when I last saw her, she was, she was in the she 978 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,160 was, she was a happy. She was, she was in a great 979 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,920 space, you know. And yeah, you could tell that, 980 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,080 yeah, it might not have been next year, but maybe the year 981 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,400 after she would have got a goblet. 982 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,440 So, yeah. Anyway, yeah. 983 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,440 Anyway, there we go. Your other answer was George 984 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:56,080 Reid and I can honestly say he is the he's to blame for getting 985 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:57,680 me into ultra running. So. 986 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,240 He's got a lot to answer for. Absolute. 987 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,040 Absolutely. I mean both him and Karen, you 988 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:09,520 know, Karen picked up the the the the Catherine after Dario 989 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:16,440 died and they both organized the Catherine and the D33 for many 990 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,480 years. And there's probably not an an 991 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,960 ultra runner in Scotland apart from maybe the last three or 992 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,440 four years when the people have obviously moved on and stuff 993 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,760 like that. But prior to that, there's not 994 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,680 an ultra runner in Scotland that didn't know Karen and George. 995 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,640 And, you know, they're still there, yeah. 996 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,480 They're still doing their, their, their up to time 997 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,200 marshalling and, yeah, making sure that we're all, we're all 998 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,080 prim and proper there. So yeah, no love to love to have 999 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,520 a love to have another run with him, but yeah, a Beerus device, 1000 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,760 you know? That is a really nice answer. 1001 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,760 Thank you so much for sharing that, Keith. 1002 00:59:54,800 --> 01:00:02,200 And what is next for Keith? Is it W Holloway or have you got 1003 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,760 something else? Yeah, No, I've got Gran Canaria 1004 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,240 in hopefully in the end of February, I'll train up for 1005 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,400 that. It's, it's a brutal race. 1006 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,280 It's only 130 K, but it's, I think it's got about 700 million 1007 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,000 kilometers of ascent. So that's it's, yeah, it's 1008 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,120 basically on every hill in, in Gran Canaria. 1009 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,720 So I'll train up for that the Devils for the first time in my 1010 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,880 life. And then, yeah, West Island Way 1011 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,480 2025. So, yeah, that should do the 1012 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,800 first half of the year. And I think after that I'll, 1013 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,480 I'll, I'll get back on the beer. Yeah. 1014 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,000 So, yeah. So that's, that's my big, big 1015 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,840 three next year. And yeah, obviously the gold 1016 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,600 target is is West Highland Way. So have you done a 65 kilometre 1017 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,840 off road ultra marathon in the last three years to? 1018 01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:56,760 I have indeed yet the more 800 back in 2022, which by the way, 1019 01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,360 you're talking about good races. That's a cracker. 1020 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,800 I mean, it's it's there's no benign, there's no easy 100 1021 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,840 miles, but being as it's relatively flat, it's a belter. 1022 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,400 It's a good race. Yeah. 1023 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,560 You want to get 100 mile in Scotland under your belt? 1024 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,360 That's a good one. Yeah. 1025 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,760 Beautiful, beautiful scenery. Yeah. 1026 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,720 The more 100. Yeah, it's beautiful, Lovely, 1027 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,080 lovely neck of the woods. And just because the ultra world 1028 01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,760 in Scotland is such a small world, I was doing the Murray 1029 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,320 Way really race at the time when Keith was doing the 100 Miller. 1030 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,320 So we met on course. I must have been delirious mate 1031 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:40,920 it. Was I don't even know which, 1032 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,720 probably about 50 miles in. I remember it was an open 1033 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,960 grassland and you had to take a weird route round the the grass 1034 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,480 you weren't allowed to cross. It Oh yeah, yeah, I. 1035 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,680 Remember seeing you anyway. Yeah, yeah, yes. 1036 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,480 Jenny Coelia has supported me on that one, so that was lovely as 1037 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,800 well. Yeah, and she was supporting 1038 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:10,920 Flora as well as they always do, right, I think, yeah, unless 1039 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,240 Nikki's got any other surprise questions to answer, bribes to 1040 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,880 put in, I think we're going to call it a day there, so. 1041 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,800 Thank you, Keith, for coming on and talking to us. 1042 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,600 And I've learned quite a lot tonight about the West Highland 1043 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,200 Way race. I'm still not putting my name 1044 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,040 into the ballot, but you've. Done the fling, you've done the 1045 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,320 Devils, Yeah. I've done the devil this year, 1046 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,960 yeah. Mark, you've got to qualify so 1047 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,760 you you don't have to put it in for next year, you've got to 1048 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,640 qualify for the next 3. So, you know, just do a bit of 1049 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:42,560 training. You'd be fine. 1050 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,480 You'd be fine. They got the least, you know, 1051 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,720 everybody, everybody needs, everybody needs a goblet, you 1052 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,720 know, and. This is true and this is what 1053 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,640 I've found an ultra running. They make a great sound. 1054 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,280 You know you. Know and this is what I've found 1055 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,760 an ultra running and everyone's an enabler. 1056 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,440 Exactly. Exactly. 1057 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,840 Right, we'll call it there, there and say thank you 1058 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,600 everybody for listening. Thank you Keith for brilliant 1059 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,800 chat and thank you Nikki for being Nikki and goodbye. 1060 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,960 Yeah, Thanks guys. Cheers.