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Hello and welcome to another 
episode of Run Till You're Done.

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This episode's guest I have 
known for a wee while online, 

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but I've only just had the 
pleasure of meeting her in 

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person after her epic 10K run 
and Opteralda where she went on 

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to complete the double dare and 
came second and a half marathon 

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as well as the 10K. 
She's a phenomenal runner with 

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an amazing story which we're 
about to hear. 

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Welcome to the show, Emma 
Coffey. 

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Hello, nice to see you again and
to meet you Mike, well, fairly 

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as well. 
Welcome. 

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Start off with the question that
we ask all our guests is how did

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you get into running? 
Yeah, well, from a young age, I 

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know this will. 
You know, most people say that 

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they go into running through 
lockdown, but I was actually a 

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member of Thorntley Athletics 
Club as a youngster and I'm 

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proudly saying I wasn't actually
that great at the distances 

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because obviously you run 
shorter distances as a young 

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person. 
I then broke away from the 

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running scene, you know, as an 
early kind of teenager, went 

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through to the hockey club, 
started university and basically

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never ran again for a number of 
years until I fell pregnant with

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my first child. 
And it was just a way of getting

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out, getting some fresh air and 
keeping fit and then joining the

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local community where I was 
living at the time post post 

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birth. 
Just again, that that headspace 

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isn't your first child. 
So there's always been a bit of 

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a sporting background with 
myself. 

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I've always dabbled in quite a 
number of things, but I found 

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that I don't know what was 
running. 

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I just seem to take a natural 
progression into and then you 

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know what it's like. 
You start in the Community Jog 

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Scotland Group and then the 
first race happens and the next 

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thing you're absolutely hooked. 
So that's a nice segue on to the

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next question, which is what was
your first race? 

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So my first race, it depends 
what either that you kind of go 

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into, doesn't it? 
I would say when my first race 

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was the Scottish half actually, 
and this was oh, we really. 

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So we're talking a number of 
years because my mum had phoned 

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me and had said right, I'm 
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we're going to do this race 
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She and I was like, yeah, that's
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I've not done 1/2 marathon. 
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obviously. 
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I was doing CrossFit at the time
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training runs. 
I mean, I didn't train. 

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I would be the idea and my mum 
phoned me. 

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I was like, yeah, I've got an 
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I was like, oh, so I do it, do 
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So Rana did a 141 I think of my 
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was like, that's actually quite 
good for somebody that's not 

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trained before you. 
I didn't really take her on. 

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If I'm All in all honesty, I 
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And then Fast forward then the, 
you know, it was always there. 

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Summary In a way it must have 
been because I did a number of 

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running events when I was at 
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We had an event called the Hoy 
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But obviously a certain 
youngster, I couldn't do it. 

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So we did a lesser distance and 
I would be coming in first or 

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second most years. 
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thought of it anything seriously
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It was more just, oh, I could 
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enjoyment. 
Or my mum just put my name in 

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because she was doing the half. 
So I just had something to so 

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yeah. 
You're doing 141 to begin with. 

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What kind of time have you 
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I have gotten it down to the 124
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piece last year. 
However, I I think there would 

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have been probably more in the 
tank if I had a bit of a better 

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training season with it. 
Um, I haven't had a good year 

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this year compared to 2024, 
which I think I know that, you 

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know, going off pierced on the 
questions. 

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I think it's quite important to 
note like, yeah, I've had 

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successful years and successful 
races for somebody, you know, 

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with a family, 3 kids, full time
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But I've definitely entered that
sphere of, oh, things aren't 

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going quite according to plan. 
Have you like you've gotten it 

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down from 1:41 to 1:20-ish? 
Do you realise yet that you're 

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actually quite good? 
I'm OK. 

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I, when people ask me about it, 
I just say I'm OK. 

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I'm do you know what, I was 
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the Auchterarder event. 
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doesn't wholly focus in one 
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dabble quite well in most 
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unique to individual runners 
personally. 

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So I'll use that as my claim to 
fame. 

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And as we were saying earlier as
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the questions, here's the first 
other side question that Anna 

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had mentioned that your mum 
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Has she been your influence and 
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Yeah, well, I think when you've 
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helps you get in things. 
You're like, Oh my goodness, if 

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my mum's running with her 
running friends, like surely I 

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could be doing something as 
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But I, I, I do take quite a lot 
of inspiration just from 

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watching athletics on TVI just 
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And the more interested you get 
into running, the more invested 

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you've come in, the trainers, 
the fueling, the nutrition, 

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people that are running. 
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from people that are just like 
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That doesn't necessarily mean be
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Diamond League as a season, but 
people that are out there that 

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are very, very normal. 
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individuals probably get more of
a kudos in a way because they're

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not full time athletes. 
They're just doing what they can

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with the resources. 
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know, when people ask me or what
you're running or what's your 

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feeling tragedy. 
I was like, oh, it depends on my

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bank balance at the time. 
You know, you know, it's, you 

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know, they do see, you can go 
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trainers and that is completely 
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And that's what you're open to. 
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more invested you become, the 
more interested and your 

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knowledge deepens as well. 
So you start to try out new 

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things. 
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You mentioned earlier that you 
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Do you do any other cross 
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that affects you? 
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actually talk about with my 
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husband, which is always handy 
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And I, yes, I like a walk bike. 
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on that if the time allows. 
And you know, it's an easy, it's

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accessible. 
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not leaving the house, which is 
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And I don't mind the odd swim. 
I used to swim as a, as a child 

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as well. 
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ride a bike and I can run. 
So they're not all bad sports to

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be able to cross train. 
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older, and I mean, I'm not 
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ancient here, but you know, I am
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that I. 
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That's so old, but I feel like I
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longer to recover and pounding 
the pavements does have such an 

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impact. 
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I'll be speaking more with my 
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Endurance, that maybe it's 
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into if I could do a bit more 
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taking a wee bit longer time to 
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I'm really fortunate that we 
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family and we're now living in, 
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So the fact that I get to go to 
Sterling University, use their 

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track, use their swimming pool, 
you know it's on your doorstep, 

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so why not use it when you can? 
22 questions. 

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You mentioned a what bike, How 
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exercise bike? 
Or is is that like hooked up to 

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Swift or anything like that? 
Good question because I've 

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absolutely no idea. 
I mean, if any of your like 

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listeners would help me out with
this one. 

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It is just a piece of equipment 
that I know that my husband uses

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Swift with it. 
Is that it Swift? 

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Yes, it uses on it, but I just 
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we've got a wee TV set up as 
well, which means I can get into

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that. 
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probably wouldn't hurt. 
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there's just a wee bit more 
pressure with it as well. 

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OK. 
That's a great question, Mike. 

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And if any of the listeners 
can't answer that for the three 

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of us, we'd all be interested. 
You know, I'm just like, you 

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know, popping in these like 
little walk bike and these 

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notions. 
I don't even know the answers to

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them. 
I. 

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Said I had another question but 
I've totally forgotten what it 

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was so. 
It wasn't a hard like an answer,

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so maybe a blessing. 
I do have a side question as 

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well. 
When you say as well, when time 

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allows, you mentioned that 
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This is something that I do like
to ask a lot of parents that 

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come on to the podcast. 
How do you carve your time out 

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for your training? 
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game changer since we did the 
move because we now have space 

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to put in the Watt bike as well 
as my running machine, which I 

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was gifted. 
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train earlier in the morning 
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essentially. 
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parents are able to do this, but
at the weekends as well. 

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I think my husband does 
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from marathon ultra running. 
Oh, and just, you know, add in a

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10K and half marathon there as 
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We're pretty good at 
communication of right, I need 

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to have this amount of time and 
trying to and then we fit that 

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my eldest is 6 and then the 
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So my 6 year old is going to 
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that might be an hour long, but 
you don't need to stay as a 

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parent anymore. 
So you often see a sort of 

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flurry of parents, literally 
some like dump their children 

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over to the activity and then 
they're in their rent running 

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kit to get that quick hour 
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So that's that's really 
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with communication with my 
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and I need to do. 
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time as our eldest usually does 
help with carving out time. 

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But you just have to be so 
disciplined and because if you 

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missed that window of 
opportunity, you there's no 

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going back on it. 
And as you know, like the time 

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that you've done the dinner, 
bath and bed, you know, it's 

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half 78-O clock. 
The last thing you want to be 

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doing is going out for a run in 
the dark. 

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Yeah. 
Excuse me. 

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So that's probably top tips of 
being able to have to get out if

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you know, I am. 
I am fortunate that I do have 

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the ability to do my training 
like where I live. 

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You mentioned that your husband 
does triathlon, but you swim, 

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you cycle and you run. 
So when are you doing a 

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triathlon? 
That was the question that I 

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forgot. 
That was the question. 

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So I mean, I won't, I won't lie,
I think the more that you watch 

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things on TV like, you know, 
Lucy Charles Barkley and a few 

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of those interesting 
triathletes, they do give you 

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some inspiration. 
And my sister and brother-in-law

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have recently completed an 
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And then husband announced that 
for his 40th he would like to do

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an Ironman. 
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And I was like, oh, yeah, I, I 
don't know. 

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It's, I, I, I would, I would be 
lying if I say I didn't look 

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into it. 
I, I have looked into it. 

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I haven't sort of jumped into it
yet, she says. 

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Yet. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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So before, sorry Mike, I was 
going to say before we go back 

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onto the official question, Sir,
I have one more side question. 

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Do you have a favorite running 
distance? 

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Yeah, I actually really, really 
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distances. 
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kind of halves were just because
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sure we'll talk about later on 
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that. 
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I just feel that is where my 
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sport, you know, I, I feel like 
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longer, which is daft, isn't it?
It's like what? 

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It gets better as it gets 
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But I feel like I sort of warm 
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enjoy the pacing of it. 
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the ultra running, my pacing is,
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that marathon is even still 
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So we'll see how that all 
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Kind of kind of off topic, but 
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because it's on topic right now.
Currently, Big's backyard 

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Championship is happening as we 
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They're on yard hundreds and let
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I think they're on right now. 
So you're saying that you get 

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better as the risk goes on? 
Yeah, there's no way. 

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No, absolutely not. 
And I have a very good reason 

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for this. 
My reason is with the twins and 

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being that sleep kind of 
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that's what actually puts me off
doing anything, like actually 

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doing that to my body. 
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counterintuitive in a way, but I
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actual punishment rather than 
enjoyment. 

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All I'll hear, it's like Hamish 
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the end if I tried something 
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stubborn. 
I'd be like, oh, well, I'm 

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obviously going to finish it, so
keep going. 

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So you're, you're your own worst
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when we spoke about a distance, 
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never done that I would 
eventually like to take off 

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would be that 100 Miller. 
Yeah, well. 

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Just. 
Finishing off the talk on 

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backyards, got to say 
congratulations to Sarah Perry 

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who is now the women's world 
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I I'm wearing a Russellbach 
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each other in Russellbach a year
ago. 

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But yeah, well done Sarah, the 
your answer. 

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I didn't hear a no, I just heard
a not yet. 

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That's what I heard as well, 
where you can, you know what MI 

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see when that midlife crisis 
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older. 
No. 

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Well, there is no. 
Older. 

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See, see how you moved to 
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from Perth and the Scottish 1 is
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Highlander. 
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it later. 
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There was one in Orkney as well,
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sure that they're continuing 
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It's. 
Not been on for a few. 

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Years there was an e-mail that 
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organizer that said they weren't
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Instagram me. 
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because they were like, oh, 
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But with the Island games, like 
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way for people maybe to step 

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back if they didn't want to 
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enlighten some things. 
The Saint Magnus Marathon that 

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is up there in July. 
It had a year's break. 

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I'll be back for 2026, which is 
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those that like hills and 
probably some rain in there as 

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well. 
Yeah. 

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And torture. 
Yeah, yeah, it's, do you know 

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what I would say that running in
Orkney is is incredibly 

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difficult for those of you? 
Yeah, it's, it's, it's so hard. 

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I, I live about 50 meters from 
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the full force of the North Sea 
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So all the time it's just like 
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So I know how you feel, right? 
Back on the question set, you 

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talked about various races and 
you said that your favorite 

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distance was marathon, ultra, 
longer races and you're hoping 

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for 100 Miller. 
But do you have a particular 

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race that is currently your 
favorite because you haven't 

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done 100 Miller yet. 
So you might either love it or 

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hate it, but currently, what is 
your favorite race? 

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I really enjoy the GB Ultra set 
up. 

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That Glasgow to Edinburgh was 
absolutely fantastic and I think

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part of that is because it's 
familiar. 

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It's flat. 
Yes, I am a road racing flat 

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kind of gal. 
You won't catch me up on the 

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Penguins, that's for sure. 
And that's a definite no, not a 

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not yet before you say anything.
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allows people to, it's just 
really friendly with different 

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terrain. 
And I've spoken about that 

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before. 
Even though it's flat, you're 

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going through like countryside, 
the urban and really getting a 

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feel along that canal. 
But the first year I did it, I 

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think probably would have been 
my favorite. 

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Even so, that was the Noah's Ark
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where everything got, umm, 
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Edinburgh. 
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my brother in law's the night 
before and being good God, what 

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am I thinking? 
It was absolutely pouring. 

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It was the middle of the night. 
Well, 5:00 you're getting up 

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organized and it's pitch dark. 
It's so wet. 

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And basically your feet are wet 
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you're like, oh goodness, I've 
got a long way to go. 

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And I think that's probably my 
favorite because there was a lot

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of, you know, naivety behind the
distance. 

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You know, it's very easy to see 
56 miles or 93 K. 

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the kind of halfway point, and I
see this as a kind of advice to 

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anybody, the marathon is the 
warm up and the second stage, 

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the second marathon is actually 
your race. 

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That's great determination, 
maintaining your feeling, you 

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know, is there anybody even 
around you? 

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Most of the time there's not 
because the field has massively 

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spread out, but I actually just 
thoroughly enjoyed it because at

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the time of, of running the 
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husband, my father-in-law and my
son crewing me. 

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And, you know, to have that 
little person shouting at you 

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like go mummy. 
After having a really tricky 

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year with the twins and their 
premature birth, I think there 

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was a lot to be said to an 
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I, I can do this. 
And I think I always send that 

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to a message. 
You know, when you you start the

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start line with a lot of ultra 
runners, you find that altar 

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runners maybe don't necessarily 
just run because they enjoy it. 

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They usually have a back story. 
And it's been quite interesting 

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to meet people that are maybe 
doing it for charities or 

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they're recovering from alcohol 
and drug addiction or like 

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myself, you're running for that 
mental health space because, you

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know, your your twins, your 
children were so premature that,

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you know, they were fighting for
their lives. 

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There's no reason why I can't 
run a mere distance. 

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And I think that's. 
Where when people talk about 

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mental grit, I think you need to
have a certain degree of that to

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do ultra marathon or ultra 
distance as you say. 

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You said you're a Roadrunner at 
heart. 

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I assume that you don't like 
well, you say you don't like the

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hills. 
What about trail is that is that

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of of the books as well? 
And the other question was what 

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are your thoughts on track 
racing? 

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So trail, a light trail would be
quite nice. 

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I I think the reason for the 
hills is not nothing against the

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hills. 
Love, love the fresh air. 

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However, the time to go out the 
house and this is about managing

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the time when you spoke about 
early being a parent is that you

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then have to probably go to your
distance. 

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So you're carving out more time 
to get there and all. 

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Honestly, I have an absolutely 
off full sense of direction. 

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Like it is so bad. 
So therefore I don't trust 

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myself up on a hill to navigate 
my way anywhere near it. 

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So that's why I stay well away 
from the hills. 

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And for track racing, I have 
never, I've completed a track 

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race as an adult, but I 
thoroughly enjoy watching track 

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racing. 
I think it's, it's really quite 

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fascinating for somebody to 
train that hard to get to level 

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where they are for such a short 
period of time. 

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Like, you know, you know, you're
sitting here as a ultra runner 

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or marathon runner and you know,
you obviously have a peak that 

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you want to get to, but these 
track races for those people are

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kind of have to be on it a 
little bit more because they're 

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racing more frequently. 
Yeah. 

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Well, you, you say for such a 
short period of time, but just 

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putting it out there, you can do
100 milers on the track. 

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Well, you can you if you really,
really want to. 

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And who is. 
Oh, Sophie Power loves to talk 

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about who track. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I'll stay well away from
that as well. 

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You know, I'm really putting 
myself out there for things that

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I don't sound enjoyable. 
I yeah, maybe not track racing 

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up that distance. 
I like, I like the A to B, you 

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know, like you're going 
somewhere, like there is an end 

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point to the race rather than 
going round and round a track. 

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Also like that can't be good for
anybody's hips for that long. 

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I'd have to change direction. 
They they normally change 

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direction after. 
Oh, there we go. 

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Oh, do they? 
Actually, Yeah, there we go. 

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I don't know about every race, 
but I the races that I've seen 

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that are 100 like that side 
distance 24 hour races, the 

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change every four hours. 
Just going back to Glasgow, to 

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Edinburgh there, Emma, with the 
2023. 

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And you said that that was the 
one that you enjoyed the most. 

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Yeah. 
How soon after that since did 

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you have the twins? 
You mentioned they were born 

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prematurely and how did they 
build towards that? 

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So they were born in June 2021 
and we spoke about this earlier 

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about sort of like what drives 
you into running again. 

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It was actually my in law family
had arranged a charity bake 

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swim, which is Loch Swim and run
from Gretna Green to John 

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O'Groats in 2022. 
And my part of the not a race, 

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but the team really was doing 
the 50K run, which I did. 

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And I think that inspired me to 
then go sort of fully into kind 

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of the ultra distance. 
And that's kind of where the 

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2023 Edinburgh to Glasgow, 
Glasgow to Edinburgh, sorry came

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about because I was like, Oh 
well, I've done 50K and I 

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actually felt quite good. 
What could I do just to push 

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that a little bit further? 
But yeah, the twins, Campbell 

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and Hamish were born at 28 weeks
and spent three months in 

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hospital and then they had 
further, you know, within 

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further, you know, in and out of
hospital. 

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It was quite a hard time. 
So on that point of view, AIM 

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allowed me and my husband and 
the rest of the family to have a

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focus and also to give back to, 
you know, a charity, Simpson 

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Special Care Babies that gave us
so much for the charity that 

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supports Edinburgh Royal 
Infirmary at The Simpsons unit 

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there. 
So we managed to raise about 

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26,000 for the unit. 
So, you know, that was a huge, 

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it was just amazing to be able 
to give that back. 

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And I still, I still am heavily 
involved. 

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I'm a trustee now as well on for
the charity. 

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So helping other people 
fundraise and giving advice, 

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that kind of thing. 
You know, I'll get the emails in

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and I'll sort of do a bit of 
that on on the sidelines because

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I've loaded so much time. 
Thank you so much for sharing 

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that and you really are an 
inspiration. 

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Thanks, But I think that's what,
you know, when the ultra 

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distances do come in, I think 
people do have a story in it. 

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It really is quite fascinating. 
And that's kind of, you know, I 

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had a goal and then I was like, 
well, what, what's my next goal?

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I, I, I felt like I sort of was 
sparked interest that and then I

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returned to Glasgow and 
Edinburgh the year after in 2024

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I upped my game for that year. 
I did Manchester to Liverpool, I

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00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,400
did the 4th ultra and I did 
Glasgow to Edinburgh and I did 

446
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,120
Saint Magnus Marathon and I did 
3 halves and I had a really 

447
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:59,960
successful year, a podium, 
podium in most of my events. 

448
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,280
And then we spoke about, you 
know, when as a runner, when 

449
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,640
things are really high and 
you're doing so well, suddenly, 

450
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,920
oh, I'm now getting I'll, I'm a 
wee bit injured. 

451
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,680
I'm tired. 
I'm now working more than I was.

452
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,360
And it's having to have a little
look at where things need to 

453
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,480
make maybe a wee bit of a change
now. 

454
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,080
And like 2024 was great and 2025
has has not been. 

455
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,120
And I'm quite happy to sit here 
and say that for those that are 

456
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,240
listening that, you know, it 
looked great last year. 

457
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,720
I'm like, oh, look at this Emma 
Coffey. 

458
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,040
Isn't she doing a great job? 
But I'm now battling through the

459
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,960
kind of like, oh, the maybe the 
lower the lows, you know, how I 

460
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,720
can get back on form again. 
Is that a distance that I think 

461
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000
I want to maybe sort of put my 
interests in? 

462
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,720
Do I need to up my fueling? 
You know, there's so many 

463
00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:00,640
questions if you want to keep 
doing 80 K weeks, you know, am I

464
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,800
doing it properly? 
It's probably my my question for

465
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,720
myself. 
Do you think that it was 80 K 

466
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,920
weeks or just the amount of 
racing that you did? 

467
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,560
What contributed to the success 
in that year? 

468
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,880
And do you think that if you 
were to do shorter races during 

469
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,200
that year, you would have been 
faster then as well? 

470
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,080
I think a lot of it's to do with
mental high as well. 

471
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,480
Like, you know, you see you'd 
successfully do well in one 

472
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,120
race, so why you should be able 
to do it in the next. 

473
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,760
So I think from that point of 
view, I've seen things going 

474
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,960
really, really well. 
And then in 2025 I became quite 

475
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,360
unwell at the start of the year.
I think what we believe I had 

476
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,920
was, which is a horrendous case 
of flu slash COVID, which I 

477
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,080
never really got when it was 
going about because we were 

478
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,360
isolating because of the twins. 
So we were there also moving 

479
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,440
house. 
I had resigned from my job and 

480
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,120
didn't have a job to go into. 
And then my husband was 

481
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,640
diagnosed with a health scare 
and went underwent surgery. 

482
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,200
And it just, you know, 
everything just seemed to not 

483
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,080
fall apart. 
But not everything was going 

484
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280
quite how I would have liked to 
have gone. 

485
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,360
So the summer then was me spent 
caring from my husband, making 

486
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:26,080
sure the twins and my eldest 
were OK, you know, trying to get

487
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,440
a house sorted, trying to get a 
new job. 

488
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,920
You know, we've made a massive 
commitment of moving. 

489
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,320
And don't get me wrong, we're 
now in what are we now, 

490
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,000
September, October and things 
are starting to, I mean, it's 

491
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,760
been, there's been a lot going 
on in 25. 

492
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,160
And I actually think there's 
just been a lot going on. 

493
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,560
That mess, missing that key 
training block, I think it was 

494
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:51,040
out for about 12 weeks. 
And then, yeah, the training 

495
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,280
sort of went to one side. 
And then mentally you're, you're

496
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,960
juggling so many balls that 
you're like, you have to keep a 

497
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560
focus on something. 
And nothing was suddenly in my 

498
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,680
control. 
And I'm hoping towards the end 

499
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,040
of the year we might be doing a 
bit better, but we'll see. 

500
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,200
The one thing that we always say
in the podcast or to each other 

501
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,360
anyway, it's family first 
running podcast, Whatever else, 

502
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,400
it can wait. 
Family First. 

503
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,000
Yeah, and I think we've just had
as 2025, there's just been a lot

504
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,280
of life changes and and I think 
you just sometimes have to sit 

505
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,760
back and say, but that's OK. 
Yeah, well, running's going 

506
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,080
nowhere. 
But the kids, well the boys and 

507
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,200
my husband is priority. 
And then, you know, me trying to

508
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200
get some sort of sorts of income
was also a priority. 

509
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,080
He pleased to know he did get a 
job in the end. 

510
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,040
But it is, it is one of those 
things that it's quite easy to 

511
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,080
get into your own head, isn't 
it, that focus on that one race,

512
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,360
but that one race is going to be
there next year. 

513
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,320
And I think a lot of listeners 
will take great comfort in that,

514
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,440
especially for those that are 
struggling through just life in 

515
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,520
general at the moment. 
You know as you say what family 

516
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,480
life stresses moving house in 
itself is meant to be 1 of 

517
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,600
life's biggest stresses that 
alone so. 

518
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,840
You're cycling kids into a new 
environment that like Roo was 

519
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,520
starting a new class, like he 
moved in the middle of primary 

520
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,720
one and then the twins then 
moved into their new nursery as 

521
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,760
well. 
So then you're just worried 

522
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,520
about them. 
They're doing that weird like 

523
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600
mum thing or like, have you made
any friends? 

524
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,320
Have you spoken to anybody? 
You're like, hold back. 

525
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:36,120
Like I think we're OK. 
But it also, you know, when you 

526
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,120
said about you talk about your 
projects, events, volunteering 

527
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,640
as well. 
Interestingly enough, I, I 

528
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,000
don't, although I do my charity 
bits and pieces, I don't 

529
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,520
necessarily volunteer when it 
comes to running or the events 

530
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,760
because they just take up so 
much time. 

531
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,440
However, I do, I will run if I'm
running a race, I might choose 

532
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,400
to run under a charity T-shirt. 
So just to raise awareness. 

533
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,480
So I tend to go between The 
Simpsons, special care babies 

534
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
and Team Alexis Rose as well. 
So those are kind of the two 

535
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,160
charity T-shirts that if I'm 
like, oh, for, you know, I'm 

536
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,160
not, I'm not running for a seat 
and I'm not running my Orkney 

537
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,840
vest, then I'll take on a 
charity just to pop that 

538
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,160
awareness. 
And it usually just highlights, 

539
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,680
you know, just questions or just
to relate to people that come 

540
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,560
and say hi when you're at the 
events. 

541
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Yeah. 
And I think that's valuable in 

542
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,440
itself, as you say, like raising
the Wellness for the charities 

543
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,800
because as you've mentioned 
there yourself, you can only 

544
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,480
spread yourself so thin, 
volunteer and and as you're 

545
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,760
saying, you're raising awareness
for your charities. 

546
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,800
So I think you're doing pretty 
well. 

547
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Thanks. 
Thanks very much. 

548
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,120
But I, I also there's, there's 
fun sides of running like I 

549
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,520
think when you do get, and we 
spoke about the normal person, 

550
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,320
which I do believe I am the 
normal person. 

551
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,880
When you've got that somebody 
that comes through your inbox 

552
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,000
and they want to potentially 
have you as an ambassador or to 

553
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,840
work with them collaborate. 
That's been quite exciting as 

554
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,080
well. 
So one of your questions that 

555
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,320
you put to me was, you know, 
your fueling nutrition, which is

556
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:20,600
so big and ultra running and I, 
you know, had Tom Coughlin, I 

557
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,040
think that's how you pronounce 
his last name, Tom nutritionist.

558
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,600
And he did a lot of my stuff for
my ultra running where I 

559
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,760
actually sort of met up with him
online. 

560
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,320
We looked at everything where I 
can get that nutrition in, you 

561
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,720
know, with your Trek bars, your 
soaring bananas, and I'm all for

562
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,320
solid foods. 
But when your distance becomes 

563
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,240
less, you're then looking at 
your, your gels and your carb, 

564
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,680
your, your carbs that maybe that
you need to have that on you for

565
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,600
the marathon distances and less.
And I think, you know, it's been

566
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,440
quite, quite interesting to see 
what people, what people 

567
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,280
actually do. 
And and I I quite like a gel to 

568
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,440
be quite honest and probably few
that do it doesn't doesn't worry

569
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,440
me, but I quite liked how had, 
you know, to see the ambassadors

570
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,720
that can open doors to small 
companies and businesses. 

571
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,960
And I think you're familiar with
them yourself is Stephen McKay, 

572
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,480
who is doing the Highland fuel 
nutrition. 

573
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,960
So that's kind of something 
that's looking kind of exciting 

574
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,520
for me. 
It gives me something different 

575
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,880
to work on as well-being like, 
oh, I'm really excited. 

576
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,880
It's, you know, made in Scott, 
like well, made in the UK. 

577
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,560
It's, you know, Scottish 
branding. 

578
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,760
He's, you know, on into the 
ultra running scene himself and 

579
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,040
I think when it comes to him 
looking for people that can take

580
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,720
out his brand and see where he's
going with it and using people 

581
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,160
that are on his doorstep and 
using them within races. 

582
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,600
It's you're kind of a community,
but you're doing your best to 

583
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,360
promote other people where you 
possibly can. 

584
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,960
And I think that's what I feel 
that's quite exciting with him 

585
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,920
at the moment. 
And his carb drink mix, bare 

586
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,640
fuel and then his next next 
clear Fuel, which I'll be very 

587
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,440
excited to try and give him some
honest feedback on. 

588
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,320
He did say he liked honest 
feedback. 

589
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,639
So I think that's just some 
exciting products that, you 

590
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,360
know, as runners we can sort of 
dive into and kind of build, 

591
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,880
build your collaboration. 
With your nutritionist working 

592
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,000
on your race fueling that they 
work on outside the races as 

593
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,639
well. 
Just your diet generally 

594
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,560
overall. 
No, they just did it during my 

595
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,199
races. 
What I could be doing, um, but 

596
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,239
I'm that annoying person that 
I'll send him an Instagram and 

597
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,960
he'll just be forced to tell me 
and what I should be doing 

598
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:42,960
without the payment going his 
way. 

599
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,760
But but yeah, and actually 
that's another thing I I'll be 

600
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,800
interested to highlight. 
And I'm sitting here saying I'm 

601
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,600
doing all these things. 
I'm actually also really bad at 

602
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,880
it. 
You know, when you're not 

603
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,160
feeling for a race and you're 
just doing your day-to-day and 

604
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,880
you maybe don't have that lunch 
break and you're not taking 

605
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,440
those snacks, I think. 
And then, then you're going to 

606
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,280
Sterling University track and, 
you know, just doing a, you 

607
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,560
know, 121K sessions that, you 
know, 355, you know, that kind 

608
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,960
of pacing. 
It's like, oh, is she, is she 

609
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,400
doing it? 
And my coach has been a lot. 

610
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,240
Well, he's been quite good at 
telling me where I need to be 

611
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,160
doing the fuelling. 
And nutritionist then had said, 

612
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,360
I, I sent him a question about, 
well, how much should I roughly 

613
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,120
be taking? 
And I was it was a lot. 

614
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,200
It wasn't massively under, but 
it was definitely under. 

615
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,880
We'll put it that way. 
And I think a quick fix and a 

616
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,880
top tip for anybody is that chic
in the afternoon, you know that 

617
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,760
405 hundred calories I to take, 
I tend to take protein or a heel

618
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,960
is quite is quite useful, but. 
I'm interested in that because 

619
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,000
that diet at the minute, my 
personally is absolutely 

620
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,160
shocking. 
I am not unknown to just have a 

621
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,440
block of beta cheese or by the 
evening. 

622
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,640
No, I mean, I just. 
And The thing is, I go and get 

623
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,520
something to eat and then one of
the boys will come through the 

624
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,600
next thing. 
I'm feeding the 500 and they've 

625
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,400
stole, they've stolen all my 
food. 

626
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,080
It's like you have to be a 
secret eater in your own home. 

627
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Was the nutritionist that you 
talked to, was that highland 

628
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,400
fuel that were the nutritionist 
or was that a separate thing? 

629
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,600
OK, Brett. 
So Highland Fuel is definitely 

630
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,320
something that's new, 
collaborative and I'm quite 

631
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,440
excited. 
And Tom is nutritionist who I 

632
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,280
worked with for ultra running 
only and when I was doing the 

633
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,160
races. 
But I think in a way, it's been 

634
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,880
really useful. 
I think in a way it's useful. 

635
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,680
Just because you're doing less 
distances doesn't mean that you 

636
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,440
shouldn't be feeling 
appropriately. 

637
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,160
And that's in all honesty, 
that's where I was going wrong. 

638
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,160
I was like, oh, well, I'm just 
off to the track for an hour, an

639
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,920
hour and a half. 
And it's a case of no, you still

640
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,160
need a gel and you still need to
make sure that you're feeling 

641
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,680
appropriately beforehand. 
So it's just carving out that 

642
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,720
time of what you're what you're 
doing and making sure your kids 

643
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,040
don't steal your food. 
I think it's a lot of the time 

644
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,480
it's not just the races distance
wise, because a lot of people 

645
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,080
that are doing say 1/2 marathon 
are doing like 50 miles a week 

646
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,080
and the people doing an ultra 
are doing less than that. 

647
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,520
So it balances the IO. 
It's not just about the race 

648
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,920
distances, how much effort that 
your body is putting in over the

649
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,800
whole time period. 
Yeah. 

650
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,200
And like you have your easy days
or easy runs or, you know, 

651
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,520
you're resting where your 
resting might be, where you're 

652
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,280
fueling for your big run the 
next day. 

653
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
And it's, it's, you're always 
having to think like as a week, 

654
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,720
what am I needing for that week,
which hopefully I'm getting 

655
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:49,400
better at. 
Your nutrition for say versus an

656
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,480
ultra, how does that differ? 
So my half ones are a lot. 

657
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,160
It's just purely on gels and 
Cliff blocks. 

658
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,800
I'm quite happy to do that. 
I'll take a gel 5 minutes before

659
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,400
I start and then I'll do a gel 
3045 minutes in and then 30 

660
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,000
minutes. 
You know, it's quite, quite kind

661
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,040
of what I would, what I like and
what my body suits. 

662
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,520
And I would still carb load as 
well before my half marathon and

663
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,960
when it comes. 
But if I'm being honest, I 

664
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,440
always, because I know I'm not 
very good at getting the food 

665
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,040
in, I'll always start eating a 
lot more. 

666
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,960
You know, I know they say for 8 
hours, but I do try to start 

667
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,040
like during that week of the 
race, trying to get that used to

668
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,560
it. 
Whereas you're ultra running, 

669
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,280
you're definitely your body can 
go between your gels, your 

670
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:41,440
shakes, your carbs, your solids.
You've got more of AI guess a a 

671
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,720
wider choice than you would with
your with your halves. 

672
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,840
And I think with your halves you
need to be in a way, you know 

673
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,120
how they do that, oh, I feel 
fine now, say, well you might 

674
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,000
feel fine now, but in 15 minutes
you might not feel fine. 

675
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,800
So it is sticking to that 
timings even if you think you 

676
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,680
feel fine. 
But I think that comes down to 

677
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,360
experience. 
Yeah, and I was going to ask as 

678
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,080
well, Emma, with the feeling 
when you mentioned that, is that

679
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,320
something you've trained your 
stomach for as well and training

680
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,080
runs or have you always been 
quite good at taking it on? 

681
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Taking runs? 
Yeah, I will. 

682
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Anything longer than an hour, if
I'm out, I will be taking gels 

683
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,240
with me. 
Yeah. 

684
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,000
And I tend to go between a Cliff
block and a gel just to kind of 

685
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:31,720
help that stomach as well. 
And the next question that we 

686
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,960
have, I don't know if it'll be 
the same answer as your favorite

687
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,240
race, but what do you feel is 
your biggest running 

688
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:43,680
achievement? 
But for this one, it doesn't 

689
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,200
even. 
It doesn't need to be a race. 

690
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,280
It can just be, like you said, 
you did charity work. 

691
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,160
It could be that. 
That was probably in the early 

692
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,840
days. 
That was definitely a running 

693
00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:00,040
achievement. 
I, I don't, I kind of in a way 

694
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,640
that I feel they're all kind of 
like minor achievements. 

695
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,680
They've, they've all been off 
done quite well and it's quite 

696
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,720
nice to see them. 
I would say probably the biggest

697
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,480
achievement would be winning. 
From Manchester to Liverpool, 

698
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,600
you know, going through the tape
at the end and getting the 

699
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,480
interviews and the photos, it is
quite fun. 

700
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,520
I wouldn't lie and say it's not.
I think that's achievement. 

701
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,760
To win a race is a, is a major 
achievement. 

702
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,400
And although as I said earlier, 
podiumed on a few, I, I managed 

703
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,000
to win the 4th ultra as well. 
But for something as big as GB 

704
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,560
ultras to come in that finishing
line, that'd be great. 

705
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,320
So I think that was probably my 
biggest achievement is winning 

706
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,040
Manchester to Liverpool. 
And I was on my own for, you 

707
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,440
know, the whole thing. 
There was nobody around me. 

708
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:55,000
Um, at one point I was following
a guy who I thought was in the 

709
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,600
lead, but I wear glasses and he,
he had a vest on. 

710
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,760
I was like, well, he's obviously
part of the running. 

711
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
So I was kind of following him 
along and then I noticed that he

712
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,360
turned off and then I noticed 
he's not even in the race. 

713
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,920
He was just a joker. 
And I looked around me and all 

714
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,880
the red ribbon because they tie 
the red tape, as I'm sure you 

715
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,280
know, Nikki as well along the 
sides and I realised there was 

716
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,720
no red tape left. 
I was like, no, like I didn't 

717
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,120
even know if it was going the 
right way. 

718
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,320
So I panic phoned and my husband
and my brother-in-law who 

719
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,440
recruiting me and excuse me, you
know, I was like, I'm lost. 

720
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,160
I have no idea where I am and I 
I'm nearly I think I'm nearly 

721
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,000
finished. 
Like I can't just run another 

722
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,720
time key again and they're on 
the phone. 

723
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:44,280
I'm like, you just run in a 
straight line like you don't 

724
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,320
need to be lost. 
So they quickly popped in on the

725
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,360
Google Maps of where I should be
and I wasn't lost. 

726
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,040
I was in the right direction. 
And you see, I'm I did say I'm 

727
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,160
bad for navigation. 
And the fourth ultra, I actually

728
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,520
went off into in two different 
directions twice before I I went

729
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,160
off. 
I just missed the tape because 

730
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,040
you get in such the zone. 
So yeah, that was Manchester to 

731
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Liverpool. 
Like following a random runner 

732
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,960
who was not even part of the 
race and then missing like the 

733
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,520
tape. 
So some people thought that was 

734
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,840
obviously fun to take the tape 
off the trees. 

735
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,080
As we got into Liverpool and we 
finished the race and it was 

736
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,360
like, oh great, an interview, 
really good fun and jumped in 

737
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,160
the car. 
I was like, oh, it's not even 

738
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,120
that far away. 
Manchester to Liverpool. 

739
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,760
Like the run felt like such a 
long time. 

740
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,520
The car journey was nothing and 
my husband and mother-in-law 

741
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,440
were like, yeah, you can. 
You can take a train to major 

742
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,520
cities as well. 
Yeah, you don't have to run them

743
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,480
all. 
And how long does it take you to

744
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,320
run from Manchester to 
Liverpool? 

745
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,600
Oh, I can't even remember. 
Was it over it? 

746
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Was it 8 hours? 
I'm actually now quickly going 

747
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,600
on to my Instagram to find that 
result. 

748
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Bear with me. 
But I mean, even just to win, it

749
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:10,200
is incredible. 
So, oh, sorry, it wasn't 8 hours

750
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,120
at all. 
It was 7 hours, 15 minutes. 

751
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,200
Here we go. 
Wow. 

752
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,320
So even then, I'm not very good 
on my own times. 

753
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,160
Yeah, I, I, people just assume 
that you know your times, but 

754
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,880
I'm a somebody that I, I just 
don't. 

755
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,640
And then obviously you got your 
Dan Bentley photos at the end. 

756
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,400
I mean, that's definitely worth 
running an ultra for. 

757
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,680
And he's just a fantastic like 
he spends time with you. 

758
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,760
And I think I posted this the 
other day on my Instagram that 

759
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,920
he is as happy for the person 
that comes first to the person 

760
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,800
that just finishes the race, 
because actually everybody there

761
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,440
is for there for a different 
reason. 

762
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,200
And I liked when I was competing
in the Island Games that the 

763
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,280
they were saying the people that
finished, which we would say is 

764
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,800
last, they actually reinvented 
it, which I felt and was like, 

765
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,920
and used the terminology of 
closing the race, closing the 

766
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,920
field, which I also like because
for for many of us that were 

767
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,360
competing, we were just doing 
full time jobs, kids, families. 

768
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,800
And, you know, we may have not 
got the times that we did, but 

769
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,440
the training still went into 
that those races and to be 

770
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,560
commented on or to have that 
well done. 

771
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,680
So it was, it was hugely 
satisfying, you know, having 

772
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,320
your family and friends out 
there. 

773
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:25,720
It was great. 
So I quite enjoyed closing the 

774
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,400
field. 
And that's something I've taken 

775
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,560
back when I back to my own 
classroom when I'm teaching my 

776
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,920
children about, oh, closing the 
field if or, you know, still 

777
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,480
participating, you know, at the 
same time. 

778
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,760
Yeah. 
I think that's important to 

779
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,440
teach the kids that as well 
because you're still doing the 

780
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,120
same distance. 
The the great, great, great, 

781
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,920
great Glen Ultra is for William 
to Inverness. 

782
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,640
And you're not the last 
finisher. 

783
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,560
You're not the what was it you 
said the final finisher. 

784
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,880
You you are. 
Yeah, you're the final finisher 

785
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,920
that's been and you actually get
a prize. 

786
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,000
The Lantern Rouge for to 
celebrate. 

787
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,640
You finished it. 
You, you were out there the 

788
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,320
longest on the course. 
So, yeah, and that's actually 

789
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,240
harder than the person that 
finished first. 

790
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,560
Yeah, you know, it's 100%. 
So for Manchester, yes, I was 

791
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,200
finished first, got a really 
good position overall as well. 

792
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
But actually, the hardest part 
of that day was the people that 

793
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,840
were finishing in the dark. 
Yeah, yeah, the speaking about 

794
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,800
that race, the, I think it was 
the second and third time I've 

795
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,680
won that race, I actually stayed
behind and celebrated, like 

796
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,720
cheered everybody in because the
last person, they deserve it as 

797
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,360
much as there was more people 
there at the end than there was 

798
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,720
when the first person went 
through. 

799
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,520
Yeah, I completely agree. 
And I think that's what's 

800
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,600
something that, you know, a few 
friends had commented on like, 

801
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,840
oh, but there wasn't that many 
people there and it's really 

802
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,560
hard. 
It's a bit backwards. 

803
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,040
It's like, oh, it's because I 
was finished first. 

804
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,320
I. 
Was finished too early. 

805
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,600
I finished too early. 
I'm sorry, I finished too early.

806
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,840
So there wasn't that many 
people, people, people there. 

807
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,920
But you're right. 
It's and then you have that like

808
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,520
lovely hour or so where you get 
like a whole flurry of people 

809
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,520
that come in that kind of 910 
hour mark where there's, you 

810
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,840
know, the crews, the crew people
that crewed others and they're 

811
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,120
in there or any charities that 
are staying back. 

812
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,920
And there might be a few more 
photographers that'll that'll 

813
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480
stay in because that's where the
majority of your runners come 

814
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,320
in. 
I mean the the male that 

815
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,960
finishes first, he's got an A 
chance like nobody's fit cross 

816
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,840
patting him on the back as he 
comes in. 

817
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,040
Right back on the the question 
set, we've got a couple of 

818
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:50,840
deeper questions and the the 
next one is why do you run? 

819
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,840
You might have already answered 
this, but I'll ask it again. 

820
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,960
Yeah, I think it's just, you 
know, that privilege, isn't it? 

821
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,640
Team Alexis Rose speaks about 
the privilege of being able to 

822
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:07,360
run and that you know, they do 
so much within the community and

823
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,240
Sterling and you know my story 
with them goes a little bit 

824
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:14,880
further back. 
I actually taught the older son 

825
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,280
when the Alex Rose obviously 
passed away. 

826
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,680
So it was Fast forward 15 years,
May at a running event. 

827
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,640
And that's why I speak about the
community and people 

828
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,080
collaborating and using 
contacts. 

829
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,400
So there's that privilege. 
And obviously then I had 

830
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,640
premature twins and one of my 
twins contracted meningitis, not

831
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,560
as severe, but enough to be 
hospitalised and, you know, have

832
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,480
treatment. 
And I think it's a privilege to 

833
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,800
run, but also in a way from me 
that's been through, you know, 

834
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,000
at hard times and trauma, it it 
lives that mental space for you 

835
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,120
able to go out the door, enjoy a
breath of fresh air. 

836
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,480
You know, we're in a hospital 
for a long time and just say, do

837
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,360
you know what? 
If babies can fight this, I can 

838
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,040
go for a run. 
Actually. 

839
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Striking on heartstrings now. 
No, you know what? 

840
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,120
And I've been doing the podcast 
with me nearly a year now. 

841
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,640
We're coming up for, and 
genuinely, I think that's the 

842
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,880
best answer we've had on the 
podcast since we've been doing 

843
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,880
it together, of why do you run? 
Thanks. 

844
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,920
It's just important. 
And then, you know, it's trying 

845
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,600
to put life into perspective 
when you think you're having 

846
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,760
really bad days. 
Is your day that bad? 

847
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,760
You know, so get those trainers 
on and off you go. 

848
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,080
Thomas Bio now, and it's Pitch 
Blast. 

849
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,520
You'll be going to get your head
torched. 

850
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,040
Don't forget that. 
No, it'll be cool. 

851
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,160
So when we talk about the 
runner, what do you know what 

852
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,640
you think about when you run? 
Oh, my goodness, I could sort of

853
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,360
change the world during my 
running and my thoughts. 

854
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,680
Yeah, I know some people are 
like, oh, I think about nothing 

855
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,480
and everything. 
Oh, I think about everything. 

856
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:15,080
Oh, absolutely. 
My best plans for my teaching 

857
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,720
lessons come when I go out for a
run, if I'm being honest. 

858
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,480
I've got time to process, think 
about my groupings, my 

859
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,320
differentiation, what I'm going 
to do. 

860
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,000
So I do tend to think about my 
my job and how I can arrange 

861
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,840
because I've got, you know, I've
got my own little people that I 

862
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,120
look after at home. 
But then I've got a class full 

863
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,280
of individual little people as 
well. 

864
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,120
And I, I enjoy being creative 
and having that time away from 

865
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,840
doing that. 
And so something as, you know, 

866
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,880
as my job to something very 
simple about what dinners we're 

867
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,920
having for the week or what have
the boys got coming up. 

868
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,360
And I do occasionally listen to 
podcasts, obviously yourselves. 

869
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,080
I listen to running podcasts, 
which my friends are like, so 

870
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,000
you go out for a run and you 
listen to a running podcast. 

871
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,320
Yes, that's exactly what I do. 
Just again, people get 

872
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,520
inspiration and and I think it's
changed in the early days, I 

873
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,920
used to listen to a lot of like 
twin podcasts, parenting 

874
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,000
podcast, winning podcasts, and 
now I'm listening to purely 

875
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,280
running podcasts. 
I'll put throw in some teaching 

876
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,640
in there, but even just some 
even, dare I say the word, some 

877
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,320
triathlons. 
There she goes again. 

878
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,480
I think we know where this 
midlife crisis is heading. 

879
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,360
I. 
Think we do indeed, yeah. 

880
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,120
Wait till I have 40. 
You might have that for three 

881
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,360
years I. 
Think it might be classed as the

882
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,800
neighbors Nikki? 
If you should do something. 

883
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,600
They your your friends that say 
you go for a run and listen to 

884
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,880
running podcasts. 
That's exactly what I was doing 

885
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,280
this morning. 
The 5:30 in the dark with my 

886
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,160
head torch on. 
But what you can say to them is 

887
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,640
do they sit and watch TV and 
watch programs like Gogglebox 

888
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,800
where they're sitting watching 
somebody else watch TV? 

889
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,760
Well, I don't know. 
I'll have to ask them. 

890
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,840
Yeah, I hope they're not 
actually. 

891
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Because I know which I would 
prefer to do and it's not 

892
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,360
watching somebody else watch TV.
No. 

893
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,280
So no, it's quite nice. 
I do like it, but actually most 

894
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,800
of the time I do run with, with 
nothing. 

895
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,840
You know, I'm quite happy, 
beautiful part of the world that

896
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,280
you know, it's just enjoying the
scenery really, and just getting

897
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,760
that wee sort of palming 
headspace before you get home 

898
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,840
and you get shooted at. 
Or I'm hungry, which if I could 

899
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,280
# every time somebody said I'm 
hungry. 

900
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,440
Side question about your you 
said you're a teacher and you 

901
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,480
teach small people. 
Yeah. 

902
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,400
What kind of age group ish if 
you don't? 

903
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,320
Mind, so at the moment I have so
the primary three. 

904
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:05,640
Last year I've had a Primary 5. 
I'm currently in a Primary 5 and

905
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,480
we have got a shelf to 
encourage, you know, trophies or

906
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,600
medals, certificates. 
And I popped my trophies up 

907
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,920
there too, just to show the 
children, you know, celebrate 

908
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,720
success, whether it's with 
charity work or musical or 

909
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,640
sporting, just anything. 
And it was quite funny because 

910
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,720
obviously the teacher's like, 
oh, look at Emma, look at Mr. 

911
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:32,320
Coffee and all her running. 
And I was like, to be all 

912
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,440
honest, it actually is just a 
lot. 

913
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,320
It's just taking up space in my 
own house. 

914
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,640
So then I was like, oh, it's 
taking up space. 

915
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,120
And I was like. 
I've got so many of them. 

916
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,440
I know I was completely digging 
a hole and I was like, okay, 

917
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,520
they're just here and that's the
end of conversation. 

918
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,280
But if you want, I'll take one 
off your hands and I'll crack in

919
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,800
front of the mirror. 
Do you know what? 

920
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,000
And honestly, I do get some 
parents as well. 

921
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,600
That'll be like, oh, such. 
And so they want to go to the 

922
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,840
athletics club and it's quite 
nice when you've got especially 

923
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,920
I am a bit of an advocate for 
female in sports. 

924
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,080
And you know, the irony of that 
is that I have three boys. 

925
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,480
But yes, I'm a big probably more
of a promoter of girls in 

926
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,040
sports. 
And you know, when you get that 

927
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,520
feedback from a parent and 
you're like, oh, such and such 

928
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,840
has said that they want to go to
athletics or they want to do a 

929
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,960
race or they suddenly started 
using my treadmill was one 

930
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,920
comment was it was my fault. 
And I'm like, I'm really sorry, 

931
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,080
sorry, sorry, no, sorry. 
And also, you know, you're 

932
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,960
working with young people and 
they, you know, at times, 

933
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,600
especially at different year 
groups, they do take your word 

934
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,600
for gospel. 
So you, you always have to take 

935
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,840
things with consideration. 
So this is what I'm very careful

936
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,520
to be like I'm going for a run, 
but I'm putting this amount, 

937
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,880
this food into my body. 
And I think that's really 

938
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,720
important in if you are working 
with young people, you know, 

939
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,760
you're kind of sharing the whole
story. 

940
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,640
And at the end of the day, you 
kind of accidentally become a 

941
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,320
role model. 
So it's ensuring that you know 

942
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,840
that you're sort of practicing 
what you preach. 

943
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,960
My my question about the 
teaching small people was 

944
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,440
actually totally different 
subject. 

945
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,600
You're obviously walking around 
the classroom all day. 

946
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Do you know how many steps you 
do a day? 

947
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,880
No, and I am a walk around the 
classroom actually as well. 

948
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,640
Like I tend to move around the 
classroom. 

949
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,160
No, I've never, I've never done 
the state count. 

950
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,480
It definitely the state count 
increases the smaller the 

951
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,000
children are. 
That is definitely one thing. 

952
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,080
And then the older they are, 
they tend not to follow you 

953
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,560
around a classroom and try and 
like touch your tights or say 

954
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,320
that or touch your new shoes. 
It's always amusing. 

955
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,000
And the next question on the set
was supposed to be for Nikki, 

956
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,520
but I'm taking it do Do you have
a dream race or have you got 

957
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,440
bucket list? 
So that's a good question 

958
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,200
because there's a few things 
like I'm definitely somebody 

959
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,840
that's like, oh, I'll just go 
and do that. 

960
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,080
If I had the opportunity, I 
would absolutely love to like 

961
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,240
the Comrades race. 
You know, I, I think that would 

962
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,120
be a massive bucket list to 
really go out there and do 

963
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,560
something that's quite unique 
and special and then something a

964
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,360
bit closer to home and I'm still
swithering. 

965
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,640
You know, what I'm going to do 
is for Glasgow to Edinburgh. 

966
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,640
I've come third twice in both 
times I completed the race. 

967
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,200
It would be nice to have, you 
know, that first place on my on 

968
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:45,600
my shelf for that. 
And another one would be I've 

969
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,480
had good for age for London 
quite for quite a number of 

970
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,280
years and it's crazy. 
I've just had not been able to 

971
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,000
do it simply because too short 
notice, not enough childcare 

972
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:01,640
kind of want to do it properly. 
It would be lovely to be able to

973
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,720
line up at London Marathon and 
get it under Championship That 

974
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:10,520
would be named for 2027. 
Whether that's feasible. 

975
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,280
I, I like to think that is, is 
possible but they, I don't know 

976
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,400
if you know, they changed all 
the times. 

977
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,280
So a woman's marathon time would
be a sub 310. 

978
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:25,440
Yeah, I know somebody that had 
worked hard to get their 

979
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,680
qualifying time down. 
They changed the time and it 

980
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,240
meant that there were 30 
seconds. 

981
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:34,240
I mean, they had been 4 minutes,
I think under, and they changed 

982
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,320
it by 4 1/2 or something like 
that. 

983
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,560
And it meant that there were 30 
seconds over the time. 

984
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,880
And they'd obviously been 
focusing on the time that had 

985
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,560
originally been set. 
So that was you mate, wasn't it?

986
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,080
No, I've got no interest in 
London, so. 

987
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,720
Yeah, I think, you know, when 
they did the change and as I 

988
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:58,080
said earlier about that lows, I 
really thought that 2025 would 

989
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,920
be where I kind of got that time
with my halfs and my marathon 

990
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,000
running and it just hasn't 
transpired. 

991
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,840
But as as I said earlier, you 
know, races come and go like 

992
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,200
it's it's not going anywhere. 
I'll just try again next year 

993
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,880
and and just put that on the 
back burner. 

994
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,440
And I think that's important to 
know that, you know, it's OK, 

995
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,720
it's fine, I'll just try. 
So then everybody's think my mom

996
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,840
said so why didn't you offer 
that Good for each place again, 

997
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,640
so sorry. 
I just sorry. 

998
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,120
I've got 3 kids and a job. 
It just didn't happen, Mum, but 

999
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,400
thanks. 
Sorry, I've got a life. 

1000
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,920
Yeah. 
Yeah, You mentioned earlier 

1001
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,680
about the different types of 
races that you like to do. 

1002
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,720
And London is just, it's going 
to appeal to me. 

1003
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,760
I've done races which I think 
might suit you. 

1004
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,960
Like I've done a race along a 
bridge where you go for two 

1005
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,320
miles, you turn around and come 
back. 

1006
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,280
So you can't get lost. 
There is no navigation. 

1007
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,400
You have to do 200 miles, but 
you don't get lost. 

1008
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,760
So but London, I would rather be
out in the hills. 

1009
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,360
So it's just whatever suits you.
I know they they, it's true, 

1010
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:08,720
though. 
It's like you've got a runner 

1011
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,080
and people say, oh, you're a 
runner, but there's so many 

1012
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,320
varieties of runners. 
And I think that's what it does 

1013
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,640
make it exciting because you've 
got your podcast, so you've got 

1014
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,120
like, you know, round on the 
other week or different people 

1015
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,840
that come on and see bits of 
life stories that would happily 

1016
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,320
get lost in the Penguins, you 
know, for a number of hours 

1017
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,240
where it's my absolute idea with
you. 

1018
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,720
Yeah, running, we said. 
And what's the other that you do

1019
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,560
the the tunnel? 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1020
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:40,400
I mean, intriguing that one is, 
and slightly terrifying at the 

1021
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,680
same time. 
So you know, there's a race for 

1022
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,040
everybody out there, isn't? 
There there is, yeah. 

1023
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:51,000
But the the, the tunnel race, I 
know that somebody did actually 

1024
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,600
sit down because we're so tired.
When they got back up, they went

1025
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,400
in the wrong direction. 
So technically they got lost. 

1026
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,720
So. 
And oh, well, won't do then. 

1027
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,280
No. 
So yeah, the the sort of the 

1028
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,840
races would be good for like, 
you know, what's those kind of 

1029
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,920
bucket list races? 
It's like, oh, what if I could 

1030
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,560
come first or, or be good to 
have a championship? 

1031
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,960
They're all those little ideas 
that people put in their heads 

1032
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,480
as well. 
You're like, oh, but what can I 

1033
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,280
realistically do and what do I 
want to train for? 

1034
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,880
It would be, you know, fantastic
to do sort of a unique race and 

1035
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,000
I think really, and I mentioned 
100 Miller so and then I 

1036
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,520
mentioned a triathlon as well, 
didn't I? 

1037
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,840
So I've got a lot to get in, got
a lot to get through. 

1038
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,240
It's good to dream, bag, dream. 
Bag yeah, I mean your triathlon 

1039
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,320
could just be a Sprint when it's
fine, it doesn't need to be 

1040
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,440
anything major, but then but 
then you've got the danger. 

1041
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,120
Once you start small, you just 
get bigger. 

1042
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,720
It's like, oh, I start to 5K and
the next thing you know you're 

1043
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,560
doing ultra marathon is. 
You might do a Sprint triathlon 

1044
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,800
and enjoy it and end up in. 
Ironman. 

1045
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,680
So yeah. 
So no, that's kind of kind of 

1046
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,520
the idea. 
I think I do have a race coming 

1047
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,720
up, so I have Valencia in 
December. 

1048
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,840
So that's what I've been kind of
building towards. 

1049
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,880
And we will, we'll see how that 
goes. 

1050
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,280
So I, yeah, I did the octor 
yarder. 

1051
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,680
You'll laugh at me. 
For Naki, the octor yarder was 

1052
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,800
training races. 
I wasn't allowed to go any 

1053
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,200
faster. 
I was like, no, no, it's a 

1054
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,280
training race. 
I was like, OK, I think I can do

1055
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,080
a training race. 
So we did that back-to-back. 

1056
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,560
It was good fun. 
And actually I think it's really

1057
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,080
important to highlight and the 
reason why I wanted to do it was

1058
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,200
because I wasn't having a very 
good year. 

1059
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,560
It was nice to go back to the 
basics and where it actually 

1060
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,600
starts for most people is that 
community, that environment, you

1061
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,440
know, meeting people. 
And I think that's what's 

1062
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,080
important about these community 
events is that it's the start 

1063
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,360
for many people. 
And once people have and to come

1064
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,440
back to that event and enjoy it,
it, it was really good. 

1065
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,160
Alterdard does fantastic for 
that. 

1066
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,400
They've actually got the Chili 
race coming up. 

1067
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,280
I'm doing it. 
It's my first one back after 

1068
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,320
injury so I'm. 
Excited. 

1069
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:13,200
Slightly I'm I'm more excited 
after speaking to you on this 

1070
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,200
podcast than I was like before 
you came on. 

1071
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,920
So that, well, I'm glad I've 
done something this evening. 

1072
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,360
For you, but you have 100% 
inspired me because you know, 

1073
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,600
you do get into a bit of a 
slump, especially, you know when

1074
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,200
you're coming. 
I've never been injured before 

1075
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:33,520
this, but it's, it's been a bit 
of a weird 1. 

1076
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,800
So I'm, I'm looking more forward
to it now. 

1077
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
But as you say, it's more for 
the social side of it. 

1078
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:44,840
And it's just such good fun just
to see other people that you 

1079
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,080
know, Yeah. 
And are people that follow you 

1080
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,800
in social media and you're like,
oh, you're a real person. 

1081
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,000
Yeah, I, I like poo in the like,
you know, I went up to the 

1082
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,680
Inverness half at the start of 
the year and that was because I 

1083
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,920
was meant to be running. 
Got injured. 

1084
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,640
I was not injured, sorry. 
I was unwell, injured, just 

1085
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,120
everything was wrong. 
So I went to support my husband 

1086
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,320
and my brother and it's like, 
oh, hi, Emma. 

1087
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,560
Hi, Emma. 
And you're like, I know that I 

1088
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,920
should know you, but please just
remind me of who you actually 

1089
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,320
are. 
And then I can start piercing 

1090
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,840
things together. 
And I'm very open with that as 

1091
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,560
well. 
It's like, you know, don't 

1092
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,560
pretend. 
I just, yeah, I, I recognized 

1093
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,280
your name, but just just, you 
know, fill me in for a little 

1094
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,800
bit and we'll we'll get there. 
So it was nice sort of seeing a 

1095
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,280
few people up in Inverness sort 
of staying high. 

1096
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,760
And then the question was like, 
you're here but you're not 

1097
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,760
running. 
Yes, that is right. 

1098
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,920
And then getting into the 
conversation of the reasons why,

1099
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,720
but it it was, you know, good to
see. 

1100
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,640
So yeah, this year again, 
Inverness was made fun dent 

1101
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:49,480
runner Island Games I ran, but 
not what the time I wanted 

1102
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:55,680
injured in Edinburgh. 
Can I say, forget the name of 

1103
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,640
the race? 
Edinburgh Marathon Festival, 

1104
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,760
that's it was going for a big 
time there and within a few key 

1105
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,040
in I was like, Oh my goodness, 
something's gone. 

1106
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,920
And I was so stubborn. 
So a few people were like, why 

1107
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,040
didn't you just stop and like 
leave the base? 

1108
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:16,560
I was like, I I couldn't like my
stuff was all transported at the

1109
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,120
finish line and I don't carry my
phone when I run because I'm 

1110
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,280
meant to be racing. 
So I had to kind of hobble 

1111
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,760
along. 
You know, the time was still OK,

1112
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,720
but it wasn't what I was looking
for. 

1113
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,920
So that was, you know, you know,
mental to some people why you 

1114
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,760
would keep running. 
So yeah. 

1115
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,520
Now back to the philosophical 
questions. 

1116
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:46,280
And we've got to say we're we're
flattered with this question. 

1117
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,320
I I've listened to two other 
podcasts and they've imitated 

1118
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:56,840
stolen whatever you want to say.
Our question OK, is there 

1119
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:04,520
anybody fictional, not living or
not anymore that you would love 

1120
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,400
to have a run with? 
Yeah, there's actually 2. 

1121
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,640
I'd love to be part of the 
training group for the Anger 

1122
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,480
Britsons back in the day. 
Don't you think that would be 

1123
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,320
really exciting? 
Like, you know what, what was 

1124
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,960
going on in their training blog 
and how they sort of competed 

1125
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,520
within each other as a family. 
And I think that's probably 

1126
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:26,320
because I've got three boys and 
my one of the twins just loves 

1127
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,800
being able to try and beat the 
eldest. 

1128
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,520
And it's that kind of that 
family competition. 

1129
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,520
So I think that would be quite 
interesting to see how their 

1130
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,680
training block work and what was
the chemistry, the communication

1131
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:38,680
like. 
And then on a selfish point of 

1132
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,120
view, I actually really think 
Paula Radcliffe, you know, I 

1133
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,720
know it to some people it might 
be obvious, but, you know, she 

1134
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,200
was, you know, top of her game 
when there was, you know, there 

1135
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,920
are a lot of stuff that we know 
now, didn't she? 

1136
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,080
It was pure grit and 
determination and obviously good

1137
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,600
training. 
But I listened to a podcast of 

1138
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,960
what of Paula Radcliffe. 
And I just thought it was really

1139
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,240
interesting to know that her she
was told that she wasn't that 

1140
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,560
good at running. 
You know, she was really, 

1141
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,760
really, really good, but she 
didn't have the spark. 

1142
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,800
You know, when you have people 
that are brilliant, but one has 

1143
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,320
a spark and one doesn't. 
So I felt that she's worked 

1144
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,640
incredibly hard to to get that 
Martha in time when she did it 

1145
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,960
with, I mean, did she have 
feeling strategies? 

1146
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,840
Did she have carpet shoes, you 
know, all those little bits and 

1147
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:25,960
pieces. 
So that would be my two people 

1148
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,400
would be Paula Radcliffe and the
incubators, their set up. 

1149
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,800
That would be just be 
fascinating. 

1150
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:35,000
Yeah, I think Paula Radcliffe, 
did she not have a a funny 

1151
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,760
running posture where she'd 
leaned to the side or something 

1152
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:38,520
like that? 
Which? 

1153
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:39,960
She's not. 
Nods ahead. 

1154
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,800
Yeah, where she shouldn't have 
been good, but she. 

1155
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,640
Was yeah, mental. 
So I think I, yeah, from that 

1156
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,600
point of view. 
But then I think, you know, 

1157
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,440
athletics these days, you look 
at the Diamond League, it's 

1158
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,480
getting a bit flashier. 
There's bigger personalities on 

1159
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,840
the screen. 
You can see people are taking a 

1160
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,600
wee bit more of an interest. 
It's becoming a bit more 

1161
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,480
accessible to people as well. 
It's on TV. 

1162
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,320
And I think, you know, that 
keeps maybe the younger 

1163
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,200
generation that are more 
interested in people that 

1164
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,800
actually want to go and watch it
and and see and see it happen. 

1165
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,680
And you know, we'll sit and 
watch the Diamond League and in 

1166
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,400
in fact, the my boys really like
the stick thingy. 

1167
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,160
That's their favorite. 
And they like it's just 

1168
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,200
hilarious of what they call it 
the name. 

1169
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,360
So obviously the javelin. 
They seem to think that's 

1170
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:35,280
absolutely fascinating, but also
the kind of the jumping event. 

1171
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:36,960
So even though it's not 
necessarily the rowing, it's 

1172
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,160
running. 
Sorry, it's your your track 

1173
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,120
events and watching that. 
And I won't lie, I am one of 

1174
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,640
those teachers that when we pop 
in resilience or determination, 

1175
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,280
I will go to sports videos to 
show the children. 

1176
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,560
I mean the poor my poor class. 
So if if the boys call javelin 

1177
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,320
stick thingy I I was thinking a 
poval. 

1178
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,360
So what? 
What's they call poval? 

1179
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,000
It's a stick thingy as well. 
Sorry, I should say. 

1180
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,280
Yeah, stick thingy and the pole 
vault. 

1181
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,000
But their preference is the pole
vault. 

1182
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,960
They really, really think it's 
amazing. 

1183
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,120
I mean, it's I don't know. 
It must be through the eyes of a

1184
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,400
six and four year olds that what
on earth they're doing. 

1185
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,680
Yeah, stick thingy, Jacqueline 
and pole vault. 

1186
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:28,840
Other question again about the 
the boys, when they are of a 

1187
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:34,600
certain age, whether that's 
teenager or whatever age, would 

1188
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,280
you want them to run? 
And if So, what distance would 

1189
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:43,640
you want them to compete at? 
So out the three of them, Hamish

1190
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,760
is pro, I've got the three. 
So she said really Camel and 

1191
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,880
Hamish. 
Hamish is really into running 

1192
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,000
and I mean from such a young age
and he looks like he could be 

1193
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,320
potentially quite not a bad 
sprinter. 

1194
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,160
So it would be good to see him. 
He all he wants to join the 

1195
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,320
athletics club so that's already
been. 

1196
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,480
I had to disappoint him and say 
you're just a wee a touch too 

1197
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,320
young yet. 
But he will come down onto the 

1198
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,760
athletics track with me 
sometimes and he enjoys doing 

1199
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:19,760
his own wee runs. 
I would, I encourage running, I 

1200
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,200
think as a parent because I'm 
interested, yes, of course, but 

1201
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,560
then that's a selfish view. 
It'd be like it makes my life 

1202
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,399
easier if I'm running, they want
to run too. 

1203
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,560
But at at this age, I actually 
really want them to do a lot 

1204
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,840
more team sports and bring in 
that social communication 

1205
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:38,840
camaraderie that comes with the 
with the team sports. 

1206
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,760
Although I know within, you 
know, within our athletics 

1207
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,520
community, I think that team 
grows as maybe when you're a bit

1208
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,200
older with your community and 
you can, you can see it from 

1209
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,760
that point of view. 
And yeah, it would be good to 

1210
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,399
see one of them, if not all 
three succeed in something, 

1211
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,680
whether or what that is, I, I, I
don't know. 

1212
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,800
But you know, whether that stays
or not. 

1213
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,080
So you've got Hamish who wants 
to go to Athlete X club, 

1214
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,720
Campbell who wants to go to 
biking club and Rue, my eldest, 

1215
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,720
he's already doing football, 
rugby, tennis, get that 

1216
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,520
coordination in and the twins 
also to gymnastics. 

1217
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,000
Actually, that's a good thing 
from parenting point of view. 

1218
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,439
Anybody that's listening is 
actually gymnastics. 

1219
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,120
It's a fantastic thing to get 
your child involved in at such 

1220
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,040
an early age. 
And my physical husband also 

1221
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,359
says this because it brings in 
so much with balance, 

1222
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:33,840
coordination, movement. 
That is, you know, the, the 

1223
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,960
very, the starting block of any 
sports. 

1224
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,520
It's making sure that you're 
aware of how your body moves. 

1225
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,520
So the gymnastics is really 
important. 

1226
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,240
But when the the twins were 
obviously Prem, that was one 

1227
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,279
thing that we were told by the 
neonatal physios was to get any 

1228
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,800
premi babies, you know, in 
because obviously some of them 

1229
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,360
they didn't completely develop 
their core in the womb. 

1230
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,360
So the purposal movements 
weren't developed. 

1231
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,400
So therefore the they did quite 
lie on like flat quite a lot. 

1232
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,200
So in that respect, gymnastics 
is just a great foundation for 

1233
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,560
any sports that you want to get 
your child involved. 

1234
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,160
And just one more question, 
Emma, just to round off the 

1235
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,320
podcast, you say you have an 
event in December. 

1236
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,000
Is there anything else you have 
booked into 2026? 

1237
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,160
No, I have left it very open at 
the moment because as you can 

1238
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,760
tell, I'm not quite sure what I 
want to go and do, so it's been 

1239
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,640
left open. 
So watch this space. 

1240
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,040
Definitely look forward to it. 
You see what random distance I 

1241
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,120
can come up with, eh? 
Absolutely. 

1242
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:50,480
Well, Emma, it's it's been a 
great chat and from me is thank 

1243
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:54,400
you for coming on and thank you 
Nikki for being Nikki and 

1244
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,920
goodbye. 
Thanks very much. 

1245
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:58,720
Speak to you later. 
Bye.