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Hello and welcome to this week's
episode of Run Till You're Done.

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This week's guest is one part of
Run Lama Coaching community. 

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As well as having a fascinating 
running background himself, he 

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joins us tonight to talk about 
exciting events fast approaching

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this year. 
Welcome to the show, John 

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O'Donnell. 
Thanks very much guys. 

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It's a it's a welcome. 
It's a pleasure to be here to 

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join you in such a popular media
forum that you've got here. 

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So thanks for the invite you're.
Welcome. 

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Thanks. 
Thanks for coming on. 

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So the first question that we 
ask every single guest that 

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comes on is how did you first 
get into running 1st? 

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Getting it running well depends 
how far you want to go back. 

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So I was a pretty good runner in
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I had a bit of a natural 
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It's always kind of like top, 
top three in my year 

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consistently. 
And then life get in the way 

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through my 20s and 30s and 
started piling on the way at the

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moment, a reflection in my late 
30s and just how much a physical

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shape had changed. 
Excuse me. 

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And that's what prompted me to 
to take it up again. 

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And I went right back to basics,
starting going along. 

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Had a friend that was right at 
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idea of hell turning up, you 
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Saturday morning luminous gear 
on donut water bottles. 

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You know, you hope they're 
having to talk to strangers. 

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But he dragged me along and I 
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hooked from it on it right from 
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And the suppose it's not an 
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quickly the time started 
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I definitely had that natural 
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So the time started kind of come
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the waistline. 
And that was all I needed for as

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motivation to keep keep going. 
So I was, I was 39, I'm 51 now. 

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So I've started 9 when I did 
that first part run. 

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So I'm very, very late starter. 
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an uncommon story. 
So yeah, that's what got me into

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running initially. 
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Hanky's half marathons, 
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and then somebody planning to 
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And for long enough, I thought 
that's for other folk, you know,

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it's not for, it's not for 
little me. 

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But but yeah, it's been a, it's 
been a great ten years or so. 

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But no, that's how I get into 
it. 

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OK. 
If I'm being truthful, it was a 

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moment of reflection on my 
second bottle of wine one Friday

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night and the wrong, wrong side 
of 14 stone. 

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So at 39 you started park run 
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Or you started running again? 
Do park run? 

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How long, how steep a curve 
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at distances you're doing now? 
It's probably, I mean I don't 

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know I don't have an exact 
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maybe? 
2 was all about park runs. 

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I was obsessed with park runs at
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quickly into the sub 20 club. 
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just hooked on it. 
Joined Gathnup North and then as

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my daughter started doing 
athletics, I started going along

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and assisting the coaching 
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So that kind of got me into, you
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kind of Rd. races. 
A lot of the road runners do the

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Brian Goodwins and you know, you
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Troons, etcetera. 
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and then there was the the whole
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doing relays with the senior 
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running about muddy fields and 
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might only be 567 kilometres, 
you know, but what a laugh. 

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So slowly but surely, the 
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distances were keeping up. 
But again, things like marathons

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and it never crossed my mind. 
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imposter syndrome, I think runs 
through a lot of his. 

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I was just always, that's no, 
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somebody else. 
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when it was, I was on holiday, 
random and all, but I was on 

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holiday in Cuba as a family and 
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we had it all feeling really, 
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Still keep in touch this day. 
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his marathon, marathons. 
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invited us over to their place 
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I ended up doing their local 
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of Denmark. 
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took on, you know, I thought if,
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then, then then I can do it. 
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Roller for a long weekend. 
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know, I can't remember the exact
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It was like 315 and it was like 
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like I was like I got a special 
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It was like hilarious. 
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was bitten the bug then knowing 
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it and and in a fairly 
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somebody truthful. 
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still didn't really know what I 
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You know, I was probably fallen 
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as I went along, you know, just 
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wee bit every week for 16 weeks,
you know, and just just hoping 

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it worked on the day kind of 
thing and very, very basic. 

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But it got it got me that that 
it got me that result. 

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So for my first and then it was 
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one? 
What's the next one? 

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What's the next one? 
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like 3 three times in a row 
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much. 
And that's where I got my first 

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sub 3. 
So within back to your question.

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So I think, let's say for 
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know, 3-4 years. 
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was now kind of like sub three 
marathon and I still can't quite

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believe. 
And I was pushing 17 minutes for

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5K and I was like, you know, can
I, can I punch myself? 

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So that's roughly the kind of 
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It's 17 minutes 5K. 
Is that park run? 

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Is that your park run PB? 
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six or seventeen O 8 is the 
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unofficially scratched under 17 
but unofficial. 

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Do you know what I mean? 
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with Strava, nothing else. 
So, but I saw that was the kind 

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of rough times in yeah. 
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have done Loch Ness three times 
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Next game, I completely agree. 
I would keep going back. 

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I actually invited my friend 
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the weekend and he came over and
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you know, and did the whole bit 
and he was completely in all the

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weekend, you know, in the 
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You know, Thanks a lot, Miss you
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So no, that's actually one. 
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comes later on, but that's 
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I've got such a soft spot for 
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Just the whole atmosphere, the 
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kids can, you know, along those 
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along the course. 
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It's absolutely amazing. 
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to give it a go. 
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I noticed people slag it for 
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It's downhill. 
It's not downhill. 

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It might be technically 
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All right. 
There's lots of uphills on that 

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course. 
It's an absolute nut case of a 

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course to try and pace but 
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Love it. 
Absolutely love. 

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miles when you're running, It's 
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All right, well, I know, I know 
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this hill, but like a Sporic is 
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and I'm kind of like what help 
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hill? 
That's not a hill. 

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The last time I ran Loch Ness, 
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was, I ran West Highland Way in 
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doing some sort of TV interview 
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person selected and I said I'd 
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Ness and I found Loch Ness. 
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Marathon was harder than the 
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marathon you are basically 
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could, as hard as you could. 
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West Ham Way. 
It's not. 

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So I can't, I can't talk. 
Make them do West Highland this 

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year. 
And I've had one field attempt a

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couple of years ago, West 
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inch of it. 
I've spent more time on the West

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Highland Way, and I've probably 
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honest in the last 10 years. 
So I know every inch of it. 

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But I know exactly what you 
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That that that that marathon, 
it's literally a red line in the

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hallway. 
Yeah, I know exactly what you 

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mean. 
We've had previous guests that 

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have done Loch Ness, Madison and
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again. 
I've not gone back to road 

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running. 
That's me. 

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I'm away with the trails. 
But every single guest that 

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seems to come on of late or do 
Loch Ness, do Loch Ness. 

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So I think it might actually be 
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well. 
Now you're talking me into this.

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It's just one of those ones 
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the, it's as far removed from a 
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you know, buzzer goes and the 
way you go as far removed from 

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that as you can get. 
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busted at 5:00 in the morning 
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You know, we're not 30 odd buses
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So this is just surreal. 
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trucks waiting, waiting for you 
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mountain. 
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experience. 
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I loved it. 
So when you went from the five 

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KS in the park runs to the 
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what you got on to later on, did
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that you liked today? 
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Like, I mean, I like at the 
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KS, you know, the Brian Goodwins
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You know, I forgot the name of 
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I like that because just because
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that it was, it was absolute 
flat, 10K red line, the hallway,

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give it everything. 
You'll be done in 3637 minutes. 

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You know, it'll all be over 
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And I went through a period 
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distance. 
Half marathon again, it's it's 

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similar, but and that yeah, 
yeah, feels like a Sprint for 

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the whole 21 and a bit 
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all right, there's a wee bit 
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much, you know, but so I think I
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endured the halfs and the 
marathons. 

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I think that's probably a fair 
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Every time I'd do a marathon, 
it'd be like right, never again 

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think that, you know, and then 
I'd be right on looking for 

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whether next there's less the 
next one or four months. 

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Dublin, right, I'm going. 
To Dublin, Nikki was saying 

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about doing Rd. 
Marathon. 

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My running club, Newburgh Dunes,
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Is there 17 or 19 people doing 
Manchester the other week? 

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It's just as Loch Ness is our 
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went down to Manchester, so 
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I wasn't, I'll be honest, I 

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mean, I wasn't a huge fan of 
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Mike, I mean, I had an awful 
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I had a hip injury and I ended 
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it. 
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of view, I wasn't I wasn't that 
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You know, what's that kind of 
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areas and not very pretty lot of
greyness going on. 

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I mean, listen, lots of hope 
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know some very, very close 
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love it, but not for me. 
If I'm being honest. 

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There's not so much nicer I. 
Guess Loch Ness is although 

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you're on the road, you're out 
in the countryside. 

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Yeah, true. 
Totally true. 

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Environment No, I know, I know I
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I've avoided London like the 
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See the idea of running through 
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buildings everywhere and what 
have you that that just never, 

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ever appealed to me at all. 
I was, I was going off to do 

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things like Dublin and on my 
own, you know, and Barcelona and

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absolutely Alberg random, you 
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So I would tend to kind of do 
the more kind of off the beaten 

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track ones, like not the 
Barcelona's offbeaten track, but

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you know what I mean, Some of 
the nicer ones. 

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And it's interesting you say 
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lot of debate that there's 1.1 
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year. 
I read somewhere and a lot of 

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people are saying there's so 
many other good Madisons, you 

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know, if people are feeling 
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that is more accessible. 
I mean, I'll be honest, anybody 

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that knows me, London's my worst
nightmare just for the people. 

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Like, not the not the, the way 
the people aren't just the 

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volume of people. 
No, I know you mean yeah, but I 

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know you mean mention it. 
You've just ran it the weekend 

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there, haven't you? 
I did, yeah. 

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I ran a couple of weeks ago A 
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back story. 
But the reason I did it was 

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because a, there's another 
cracker, a Berlin. 

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So my friend and I, Martin Gray,
we went to Berlin last year. 

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The two of us met with some guys
where we're there. 

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But what a weekend. 
It was just a fantastic weekend.

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You know, it was just one of 
those ones that will go down as 

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a massive never to be forgotten.
You know, just the whole event, 

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the people value for money, just
just just everything. 

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Such a beautiful city as well. 
I've been just dead efficient 

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and walks. 
Swede did that last year and I 

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know you watch what I see here. 
So I hadn't even really properly

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trained for her, but but I went 
anyway in the that's kind of my 

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should have been honest. 
As I get older, I don't I don't 

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stress about the three decimal 
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If I feel kind of all right 
there and thereabouts, then then

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I'll I'll just kind of go go 
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happens on a day kind of thing. 
Less so when I was younger and I

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threatened get all nervous 
about, you know, a couple of 

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seconds here and there. 
That's not the case at all. 

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So so we went to a Berlin and we
both had a cracking day. 

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I mean, so much so. 
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got PB quite significant 251, 
you know, like took took several

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minutes of my previous PB. 
So it wasn't until then talking 

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to other, it was actually a 
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the Andy Campbell and we were 
talking about London and how the

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good for age opened the 
following week. 

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So I didn't have a clue what the
good for age meant. 

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I always thought London was 
you've got no chance unless you 

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buy, you know, the 2 grand 
golden ticket kind of thing. 

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You know, you've got no chance. 
But they were explaining the 

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good for age was 3/10 for 
somebody my age. 

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So with me with a 251, it wasn't
a lottery for me. 

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You know, I would be absolutely 
guaranteed a place. 

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Martin, he was in the same kind 
of camp with a 252. 

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So basically we decided before 
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going to be London so much. 
So we booked the flights, we 

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were in Berlin, got home, did 
the good for age application and

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we both got it. 
And and so there's no more logic

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to our planning than a behind it
than that it was just a complete

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happen to bump in a couple of 
guys from Gifford walking 

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through Central Berlin. 
I think, I think what Boston do 

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is the good for age for them is 
the more under the good for age 

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mark, the better the chance of 
getting in. 

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So if you're only. 
Yeah, London's the same thing, I

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correct. 
That's what they've been 

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explaining so on me with a 251 
versus A310 good for age like 

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you're you're you're funny with 
the edge. 

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Yeah yeah yeah funny the way 
somebody with a three as you say

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7-8 or nine might be kind of 
stall all a bit of a lottery. 

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So so that's the only reason I 
went to careful and be honest 

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and they and I bet that is part 
of you know this whole party 

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bigger picture right. 
So there's West Highland Manor 

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in a handful of weeks. 
So I went to London with the 

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attitude of I'll use it as a 
glorified training run for West 

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Highland Way. 
You know, I wouldn't be chasing 

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a sub two 50s. 
I didn't like, you know, because

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a had been injured in January 
and February this year. 

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I caught a viral infection the 
week before London and just all 

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the signs were there. 
I shouldn't even have blamed. 

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And even on the Thursday night 
before the Friday flight, I've 

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seen the guys. 
Look, I don't want to be a donor

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on this, but one thing's for 
sure, I'll go to London and do 

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that for a fact. 
But I might just be expecting 

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and I didn't decide until the 
night before the actual run 

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itself that was going to do it. 
So I know how to look at London,

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just try and get to the end and 
not compromise my health and 

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fitness for West Highland Way. 
Fingers crossed I didn't. 

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Still plenty of time if you did.
You mentioned earlier big and 

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nervous about like taking 
seconds of your time. 

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What about before a race? 
Do you still get nervous now? 

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I think less so mate. 
It depends what I'm setting out 

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to do, if you know what I mean. 
The last few races have 

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genuinely been quite relaxed get
into them because I've had such 

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a big couple of years. 
Last year in particular, that 

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was almost like what I achieved 
last year. 

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I kind of almost said it to my 
wife that said it like if I if I

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come back from Morocco in one 
piece and not not blown the 

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family budget and then 
completely embarrass myself, 

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then I'll kind of retire from 
running. 

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But it's never happened by the 
way. 

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But in my head, I was just 
determined to take a far more 

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relaxed approach to running. 
But but back in the earlier 

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days, things like I part ones, I
was a bag of nerves, absolute 

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bag of nerves. 
I found the only way to control 

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it was just just suck up, just 
go off with your heart rate 

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bouncing through the roof and 
things would eventually settle 

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down. 
You know, dry mouth. 

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And like we silly tricks that I 
learned or taught myself, you 

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know, maybe like a Wii 300 mil 
water bottle just to get me 

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through that first one or two 
kilometres just to take away the

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dryness in the mouth. 
I don't need like fill it up to 

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the brim just enough for a Wii 
sit and it'd be enough just to 

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it's one less 1 less thing to 
think about. 

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I think you know, yeah, it's a 
horrible feeling when your mouth

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is dry, is it? 
And you know, it's just adrenal,

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but then you start thinking 
you're dehydrating. 

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All sorts of crazy thoughts go 
through your head. 

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But the. 
But no, as I say, I suppose it's

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what I'm trying to achieve in 
the event or can I drive that 

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level of nervousness? 
So I was. 

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So you're finding the more that 
you run and the further into it 

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you get, the less nervous you're
becoming because that's 

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something I massively struggle 
with before any event. 

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Do you? 
I'm actually going to an event 

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where I'm meeting Mike a week on
Saturday and I know for a fact 

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I'll be. 
I don't know if it's I don't 

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think it's nervous because I'm 
not nervous. 

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I'm not scared about it. 
But I'll do fish here treatment 

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and I'll I'll either be sick or.
I don't know. 

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It's listen, I'm not, I'm not 
going to profess to be any kind 

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of sports psychologist. 
I'm not be doing this a wee 

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while and I think certainly for 
me, so speaking from past the 

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level right, and I'm not trying 
to project this on to you or 

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anyone else, but see if you've 
got a whiff of imposter, send 

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them just just balloons on your 
head, right. 

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And it's all I felt that my 
first, first I'll try I did was 

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the devil of the islands off the
back of a comment a guy from 

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Giffnut made in Ricky swears he 
he just said John Devil Islands.

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You ought to consider it. 
Absolutely. 

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You're you're, you're designed 
for that, you know, and whole 

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towns like, can he do that? 
It's not for me. 

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That's for like superheroes like
you, you know, you know, and 

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even standing there on the 
startling, I'm like, what? 

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Get my date here. 
The longest I've run is 40 

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kilometers. 
I don't know what happens after 

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that, you know, so, so I suppose
even up to that point, I was 

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pretty nervous up to that point 
and then reaching the 4042 

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kilometer mark and like, oh, 
you're in the death zone, you've

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got any idea what happens, you 
know, and it's all asking, you 

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know, people going to jump, you 
know, what happens after 42 K 

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and an actual fight. 
Nothing really, nothing really 

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that different. 
It's just a wee bit more of the 

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same. 
And if you haven't been going 

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hammering it, then you know, you
should be able to repeat what 

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you've done for the previous 
10K. 

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So it's not for me to suggest 
like, but for me, a lot of my 

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nervousness was imposter 
syndrome. 

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And then think the only one of 
the things that helped me settle

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my nerves was just look at my 
results to just reflect on my 

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results. 
You know, just just quietly, you

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know, some kind of statistic, 
the only 2% of anybody that's 

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ever run a marathon, it's been 
under 3 hours, you know, So just

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just little Nuggets like that to
yourself, just to reassure 

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yourself there's lots of people 
that would, would probably kill,

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kill to do you do. 
Because let's face it, it's 

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pretty, it's pretty daft. 
You know what? 

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What we do so suddenly. 
You just need to go out and run 

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a 3 hour marathon and then 
you'll be fine. 

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You're in the 2% club. 
We have a marathon that will end

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in the box. 
Never say never. 

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It was interesting, John, that 
you said about imposter syndrome

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because I've read studies saying
that people that are the best at

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their job usually have imposter 
syndrome. 

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So the fact that you're running 
3 hour marathons, it's relates 

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to that I think. 
Yeah. 

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No, that's a good point. 
That's a good point. 

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I think I'll probably read a lot
of the similar stuff because 

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it's the same in a professional 
capacity as well with me as 

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well. 
Anything new again to there's, 

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there's always that at all. 
I started like yourself, like I 

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started a new job in January. 
And as much as I've been with 

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organization 12 years, it's a, 
it's a, it's a different 

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function. 
It's a different part of the 

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business. 
It's different people. 

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And and again, it's it's all 
that and putting on post about, 

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you know, kind of new guy type 
nervousness. 

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What am I doing here? 
Did I make the right decision? 

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You know it's all the similar 
thoughts that go through your 

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mind. 
Start stood in the start line. 

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So I think this is nice segue 
mate. 

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Did you have a question there 
before? 

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No, move on. 
No, on you go, on you go I. 

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Was actually going to ask from 
the marathons and the roads, how

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did we then progress onto trails
and ultra marathons? 

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So I've always loved trails for 
a start. 

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So, so I know I see the put on 
weight in my 30s, but the same 

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token I get in a bag in Munro's 
in my 30s as well. 

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And I was, I was loving that. 
So I think I can't remember the 

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last count thing I did a couple 
of weekend. 

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I think I'm probably about high 
80s, about 90. 

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And then all loads of people 
have completed them was 280 and 

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all that and I'll probably never
do that. 

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But I did get into it and I 
enjoyed it. 

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Daughter was quite young. 
So can you get away a lot? 

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But when a dad would maybe make 
like a weekend of and do four or

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five in the weekend. 
So I really enjoyed that. 

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Then what I found was if I ran 
them, obviously I could get 

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round them a lot quicker and get
back home. 

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And I loved the idea of me. 
I've run Ben Norman, something 

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like I don't know, I've lost 
count maybe 1215 times just 

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because it was it was handy and 
I could go and I've on my on my 

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own that an old pair of summer 
bottle boots didn't have a clue 

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what I was doing, putting on my 
feet at a time, but I loved it. 

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Loved mountain bacon. 
So I've always loved that being 

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outdoors. 
Never been to take the fall 

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football or rugby and like, you 
know, much rather be out and 

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amongst it said always loved the
trails. 

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00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,840
Nikki for a for a long, long 
while even played a bit at the 

442
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,280
park runs. 
I quite often go to park little 

443
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,120
pair of spikes on and just run a
bit the the muddy forests and 

444
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,280
trails on my Todd during the 
week. 

445
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Again, not really knowing what I
was doing or why I was doing it,

446
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,040
just really enjoyed it. 
So the ultras that came about 

447
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,200
that that boy from Giffnock, 
Ricky, he just happened to plant

448
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,520
the seed about the devil, you 
know, being being ideal because 

449
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,680
I could see my times. 
Yeah. 

450
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,320
I don't know how he came to that
conclusion and the I don't know.

451
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,840
He did it as well actually that 
that same year. 

452
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,520
So we kind of rocked up together
as I say, but he was, he's like 

453
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,240
really experienced UTMB stuff, 
lots of stuff in Europe and I 

454
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,920
just felt right out my debt. 
But he again did it. 

455
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,480
I think I was, I know the 
numbers aren't everything, but I

456
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,840
think I was like top 10 or top 
11. 

457
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,760
And again, just looking back on 
the results, I'm just, you know,

458
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,360
it's not, I know it's not the 
fastest. 

459
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,480
I know plenty of people much, 
much faster times. 

460
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,440
But for me at that time as a 
first, I was like, shit, I'm 

461
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,120
actually OK at this. 
You know, I was looking a bit 

462
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,080
all those people at the start 
line looking at all these 

463
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,800
experienced bunley, you know, 
muscular ultra runners. 

464
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,200
And I'm stood there like, you 
know, as we scrawny as they 

465
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:02,400
can't know what they're doing. 
So I so kind of went from there 

466
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,800
and then the pattern behaviour 
just just continued. 

467
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,440
It was like, right, what's the 
next one? 

468
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:15,360
I love us and and on it went 
things like theme, but a few a 

469
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,040
great Glenn made a mess of West 
Highland way. 

470
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Dunoon loved Dunoon. 
Well, it was Argart and Bill 

471
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,880
introduced Argart fairly 
recently, but I on on these 

472
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,200
races absolutely love them. 
I think the only one I haven't 

473
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:40,040
done when about is a fling. 
Great. 

474
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Glen, did you do, did you do 
the, the short course, the the 

475
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,760
the only 42 miles or did you do 
the full Great Glen? 

476
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,440
So both I did the, I'll probably
get the date showing I think 

477
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,400
20/21. 
It was the first ultra after 

478
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,040
lockdown, after COVID. 
That was a long 1. 

479
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:03,360
So I did the whatever that was 
115 kilometres really did well 

480
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,760
at that podium. 
Again, surprised myself, Longest

481
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,920
run I'd ever done. 
And then last year I did the 

482
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,880
short course, great Glenn short 
course and and again podiumed, 

483
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,960
given that I hadn't really 
trained for that and I had bad 

484
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,800
luck in my sights and like a few
weeks after it was a couple of 

485
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,800
weeks away and played El Carmen 
in between, you know, So it was 

486
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,880
a bit of a mash mash a year last
last year. 

487
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,680
Yeah, you, you say you podiumed 
at the short course, the Great 

488
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Glen short course, but I think 
you won it, didn't you know? 

489
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,200
I did. 
I did think I won it and. 

490
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,760
I I was the slowest person in 
that race. 

491
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,320
Probably. 
Probably because I was a 

492
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,560
sweeper, but that's not the 
point. 

493
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:58,040
All right, very good. 
It was funny because it was very

494
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,200
small field. 
There was a little bit of 30 

495
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,560
runners, but took off from Fort 
Augustus like an absolute 

496
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,400
because I know they're very 
well. 

497
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,480
Again, won the run the races 
twice, but I've spent a lot of 

498
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,280
time on that course. 
It's actually one of my 

499
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,680
favorite. 
So we headed off from Fort 

500
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,800
Augustus and I took off like a 
whippet and as we get up that 

501
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,440
first hill, you come over the 
Crest and you go down the hill 

502
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
and you boot turn left up into 
the first forest. 

503
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,800
I looked behind. 
There was this big guy behind 

504
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,120
me, like right on my heels. 
I was like, oh, I'm in for a day

505
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,400
of it here, right? 
So I ran the rest of that race 

506
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:43,000
like he was just around the next
corner, absolutely fearful that 

507
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,840
he was going to catch me any 
and. 

508
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,680
Was it? 
Listen, I don't worry. 

509
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,480
He did not know why. 
It's just there was quite a big 

510
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,360
gap. 
In the end. 

511
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,360
I had the idea I can run it 
across that finish line as if I 

512
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,280
was on fire. 
I ended up talking to his wife 

513
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,920
because she was she was like 
following him on the course, you

514
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,760
know, and giving him the updates
and stuff like that. 

515
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,080
She wasn't saying hello later 
on, you know, she's my husband 

516
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,720
says I knew how far ahead you 
Liam, but she didn't crack a 

517
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,000
light. 
But but so again, that's again, 

518
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,720
I think it's a question that 
comes, but that's one of my 

519
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:30,120
favorite courses in regards to 
kind of UK type ultra faces that

520
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,320
I've done anyway, I love I love 
to get Glenn. 

521
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,320
Yeah, I I would. 
Maybe not my favorite, but one 

522
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,280
of my favorite. 
Probably in the top three. 

523
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,600
I would say At one point I had 
the course record for the long 

524
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,600
course and the slowest record 
for the short course. 

525
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:55,160
It's still a bad coin, I think. 
Sorry, John, I have a couple of 

526
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,280
questions from the back of your 
running from last year. 

527
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,920
So the first one is, do you have
a coach? 

528
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,640
Do I have a coach? 
Yeah. 

529
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,440
No, no. 
Right, because I was going to 

530
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,000
ask, my next question was going 
to be how does a coach manage 

531
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,160
having a marathon plan and an 
ultra marathon when you are 

532
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,520
training for road and trail and 
events? 

533
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,480
How? 
How does that work? 

534
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,040
It's an absolute freak show, 
Nikki. 

535
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,360
Yeah. 
So bear in mind I do coach 

536
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,960
people and the first thing, so 
I'm an absolute. 

537
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040
I'm not hypocrite, right? 
Again, it's where I am in life 

538
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,920
and it's what I want to do and 
what I want to achieve. 

539
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,160
If I was. 
So let's let's take it to 

540
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440
extremes. 
If I was training for an 

541
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,560
absolute flat Valencia marathon,
you know, or somebody came along

542
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,000
to me and said, look, I want to 
do a 255 Valencia marathon in 18

543
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,120
weeks. 
My PB at the moment is 310. 

544
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:01,640
So their plan would look very 
different to someone's plan that

545
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,800
say they want to do Valencia 
Mars in December and then they 

546
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,160
want to do the flying in March 
or April whenever, as I know 

547
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,520
it's moved to the first half of 
the year. 

548
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,960
So, so their plan would look 
very different. 

549
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,960
And that's the way I take it to 
other people. 

550
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,640
What I do, I cannot. 
So if you look at the London 

551
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:26,040
example, I cannot afford to 
neglect the West Haven way 

552
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,520
discipline, you know, the hills 
and the volume. 

553
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,320
So my speed walk was was that 
that I was prepared to 

554
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,440
compromise the speed walk on the
run up to London just because I 

555
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,600
couldn't do do all and and I was
prepared to make that conscious 

556
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,600
decision. 
I didn't have Western Way and 

557
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,760
London was the a race, you know,
be all and end all. 

558
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,520
Then it would look very, very 
different. 

559
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Notwithstanding it wasn't. 
I was kind of injured in China 

560
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,840
uniform, you know, couldn't walk
a step. 

561
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,560
But does that make sense? 
I think you can't be all things 

562
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,280
to all men all the time. 
You know, you have to make 

563
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,639
compromises along the way. 
And I'll say I'll quote you as 

564
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,239
well. 
It's not you know, Rome wasn't 

565
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,480
about the day. 
It's yes, by all means look at 

566
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,440
this year, but consider how this
year will impact next year and, 

567
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,719
and what you know, how you can 
improve on next year from what 

568
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,679
you do this year. 
The you know, all that training 

569
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,159
doesn't just get lost and get 
forgotten about them. 

570
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000
So I try, I try and coach 
people, I think longer term and 

571
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000
not just in the, you know, the, 
the couple of months window that

572
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,560
we happen to be in. 
Yeah, that's really good advice.

573
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,440
And basically you you pick your 
race. 

574
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,159
If you pick your race, you pick 
your events. 

575
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,800
Yeah, absolutely. 
And and yeah, it's I mean, 

576
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,040
sometimes I'll have an intro 
conversation with the some of 

577
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,000
them will coach and you know, 
I'll do a bit of this Q&A. 

578
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,920
You know what's on your your 
wish list first year and wish, 

579
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,520
if I can, your 10 KPBS and and 
you were last like, you know, 

580
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,000
they're doing 14 races this year
and they want you're like, wow, 

581
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,160
Jesus, right. 
And you plan to go flat out 

582
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,760
everyone. 
Well, don't see why not right, 

583
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,680
OK, so you've got to kind of 
dial that back and go back to 

584
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,040
that. 
Maybe not hammer every single 

585
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,800
one, you know, maybe every 
second or third one and used 

586
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,800
others as training events or you
know, you really quality run 

587
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,040
events, but still getting in 
because because at the end of 

588
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,640
the day, some people like the 
act of going to a race and 

589
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,600
seeing familiar faces and you 
know, just meeting friends that 

590
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,080
you might be willing to see a 
couple of times a year. 

591
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,440
And I would never discourage 
anybody from doing that ever. 

592
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,600
But sometimes it's sensible to 
to just just power back and 

593
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,840
don't worry about the number all
the time, if that makes sense. 

594
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,120
And how, how would somebody go 
about getting coached by you? 

595
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,520
Hey, just get in touch through 
through any of the socials, 

596
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,080
Instagram, Facebook, through the
website run Glamour. 

597
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:10,760
And how did that come about? 
I don't. 

598
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,720
We have a dream in the middle of
the night. 

599
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,400
Nikki only Jordan so when I was 
quote. 

600
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,040
Sent with the name. 
The names that the names I trade

601
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,680
seek, I kind of share how that 
came about. 

602
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,840
No, how it came about was when I
was coaching my when my daughter

603
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,160
was getting up from the age of 
about 10 through 1415, I was 

604
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,240
coaching two nights a week and 
sometimes at the weekend. 

605
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Though when the horse and has 
studies start to kind of get a 

606
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:53,080
bit more involved the the 
athletics dialed back and I 

607
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,640
didn't realise it was happening 
at the time, but I kind of found

608
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,240
myself investing a lot of time 
in the club and I don't know, I 

609
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:05,080
felt that I'd put my time in to 
the club and I'm just looking 

610
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,240
for a wee bit of me time back. 
So yeah. 

611
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,440
So I backed away from the 
coaching from Giffnock. 

612
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,240
But then I found that that this 
kind of gap in my life, I didn't

613
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,760
realize if I've been truthful 
and had a look about. 

614
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:23,720
Anyway, Long story short, I 
thought, how could I then 

615
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:27,320
transfer all that coach and 
running experience to the the 

616
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,760
the, you know, adult arena? 
Because bear in mind it was 

617
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,680
under fifteens, under 
seventeens. 

618
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,600
I was coaching at Giffnock. 
So that's what I did. 

619
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:45,320
I saw pulled together a plan or 
a concept soft launch just to 

620
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,480
get gauge interest and and it's 
been great. 

621
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,440
Yeah, Chris and I have been 
really as successful, as 

622
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,640
successful as we've wanted to 
be. 

623
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,960
If I'm being truthful. 
We are happy and content with 

624
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,280
the numbers of clients that we 
have at the moment. 

625
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,520
And we're doing the inaugural 
Hair Ultra, Sunset Ultra next 

626
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,680
month. 
So that's a real nail biting 

627
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,760
moment, as you can imagine. 
I don't have any nails left 

628
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,200
whatsoever. 
I know on the surface I make 

629
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,680
appear cool, calm clay, but 
behind the scenes, honestly, 

630
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:29,840
it's like the proverbial swan, 
like me him organised you have. 

631
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,160
An army of volunteers ready to 
back you. 

632
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,280
Listen, you better believe it, 
Nikki, our very own Nikki here 

633
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,360
is on timing responsibilities 
and she phoned me up the other 

634
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,520
day there, which was hilarious. 
She's all daytime and all 

635
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,280
daytime and I'm up big 
responsible job. 

636
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,280
Tick. 
She phones him up the other day.

637
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,360
What exactly is it you want me? 
Did you? 

638
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,760
I'm like, what do you mean 
you've ran races? 

639
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,880
You see the thank you for this 
day. 

640
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,160
It was the phone call. 
I was on a train and run at the 

641
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,920
long. 
I was along the West Highland 

642
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,960
Way, which was mobbed by the 
way, on my way back and the 

643
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,160
phone's going ping, ping, ping, 
ping, ping, because John's 

644
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,320
getting everything organised for
this ultra. 

645
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,480
He's like right, Nikki, thank 
you. 

646
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,120
There's ages ago. 
Nikki, can you do thank you. 

647
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,600
I I need bother. 
Nikki, can you do time keeping 

648
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,480
and on about laptops and things?
I'm like hod, hod the boss. 

649
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,040
We not getting a timing company 
for this. 

650
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,880
No, Nikki, you're going to be 
standing there with your 

651
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,560
stopwatch. 
I'm like, Oh my goodness. 

652
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Back to basics. 
Absolutely no, it's less than 

653
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560
it's limited to 100 runners. 
So no, we're we're listen, we're

654
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,160
keeping it, we're keeping it to 
back basics as you say. 

655
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,840
No, you will have you'll have 
one of these big illuminated 

656
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,040
kind of like stop clocks, you 
know, on your table. 

657
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,160
So dead easy, dead easy. 
And you know what, I'm actually 

658
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,200
looking forward. 
It's going to be a great event 

659
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,320
for people to come to see. 
It's going to be the. 

660
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,200
The amount of people that's 
offered to volunteer, I've been 

661
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,760
utterly overly overwhelmed. 
It's been amazing. 

662
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,040
It really has. 
There hasn't been a a panic in 

663
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,720
that respect at all. 
You know, we've got probably 

664
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:24,240
more Martin Marshalls than we 
need. 

665
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,080
We've got volunteers for 
absolutely every aspect. 

666
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,840
To know that the volunteer 
community have been absolutely 

667
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,680
amazing. 
We cannot thank everyone 

668
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,320
involved enough. 
And for those that don't 

669
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,920
actually know, because John and 
I are involved in this, John, 

670
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,160
can you explain the format for 
this race? 

671
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,200
That's what's unusual about it. 
All right, so there's a few 

672
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:50,400
unusual aspects and the first 
one is it's through the night. 

673
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,720
So it's a 1030 start on Irvine 
Beach, Irvine Beach Park. 

674
00:40:55,120 --> 00:41:00,800
So it starts at 10:30 PM and it 
runs for about 95% of the entire

675
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,440
route on the sand along urban 
beach. 

676
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,440
Couple of bits where you come 
off where you've got ground the 

677
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,840
various harbours, but otherwise 
you're on the beach 25 

678
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:18,600
kilometres out down to the end 
of air beach and then back 

679
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,640
again. 
So it's an out and back 25 K 

680
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,560
each way. 
So I I'll be, I'll be really 

681
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,160
interested the, the beach in the
sand itself can be quite if the 

682
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,600
tides out. 
You'd be surprised just how fast

683
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,960
you can go on the sand but flip.
So there's two tides in and 

684
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,280
you've only got 2030 feet of a 
slither of soft sand. 

685
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,000
That's that's a very different 
experience for folk. 

686
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,760
You know that that's like 
running in deep snow, but ankle,

687
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,800
ankle deep snow. 
So, so we'll see. 

688
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120
I've actually looked at the 
tides, but I'm not going to give

689
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,600
it away what what we are. 
What time does it start at? 

690
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Yeah. 10:30 PM Mike. 
And how long will you say 50K? 

691
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,760
So some of the slow runners are 
going to be taking, what, 7-8 

692
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,600
hours? 
Easy. 

693
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,920
I think so, Mike. 
The window will be. 

694
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,600
In the sand, yeah. 
Yeah, I I think so the, the, I 

695
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,760
think the winning time, I'm 
going to say I'm going to put it

696
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,800
out there and I'm basing this 
mic on. 

697
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,800
So I've done I've done a couple 
of record runs on it and I know 

698
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,160
the effort up and I think the 
kind of winning time would be of

699
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:35,840
around three 45350 and I'm up 
and kind of basing that on my 

700
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,800
experience and I know some of 
the kind of faster runners as 

701
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,800
well. 
So I can gauge them against me, 

702
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,800
if you know what I mean. 
So I think the one in time will 

703
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:51,520
be coming in a bit before have 
to and as you see it could be 8 

704
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,400
hours of folk are power hiking 
it. 

705
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,240
Yeah. 
And I think tide cycles go in 

706
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:03,160
six hour cycles, so slow runners
are going to be they're, they're

707
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,000
going to get it no matter when 
you're starting. 

708
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,880
Pretty much. 
But then now listen, it's not 

709
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,680
it's not complete. 
You always get that degree where

710
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,520
you know the tides been in and 
it's going out. 

711
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,760
Did that make sense as there's 
always that kind of, I don't 

712
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,600
know how to describe it, but 
there's always that, but 

713
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,240
slightly. 
We better wet sand. 

714
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,840
It's just a wee bit harder pack 
than the soft stuff. 

715
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,040
That makes sense. 
So yeah, that's the event. 

716
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,280
Everything, fingers crossed, is 
ready to go. 

717
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Medals, trophies, all the merch.
Hopefully the trophies and the 

718
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,120
merchandise yourself will be a 
talking point because we're 

719
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080
really, we want to do something 
unique. 

720
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,680
We don't just want to do a kind 
of copy and paste of other 

721
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,440
events. 
It's really quite unique the the

722
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,000
trophies in particular. 
Nikki, did you see the right? 

723
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,480
Yeah. 
So basically. 

724
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Absolute belters, everyone is in
for a treat and you know what? 

725
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,720
The medals are just second to 
none. 

726
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,520
They're fantastic. 
The I'm. 

727
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,640
I'm biting my tongue because I 
don't want to give any. 

728
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,640
No way I. 
Know, I know, I know, but all 

729
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,080
about see is explain this 
somebody there. 

730
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,520
So Chris, Chris is a creative 
genius, right? 

731
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,760
I'm not outside deal with 
governance and process with the 

732
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,680
councils and stakeholders, you 
know, and getting the getting 

733
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,880
the due diligence done and the 
Chris just gets allowed to run 

734
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,640
completely creative creativity. 
Got a quick browse about been 

735
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,880
mental on the creative stuff. 
You know, so the trophies are 

736
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,480
literally an insight to the 
inner workings of Chris's mind. 

737
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,840
And it's an an ultra at night on
the beach. 

738
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,120
Of all the places that you could
have set an ultra, why the 

739
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,080
beach? 
Again, don't my heart back to to

740
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:04,280
MD's, but a lot of the training 
I did for MD's, I trained for 

741
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,680
MD's for about 18 months to two 
years and a lot of it was on the

742
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,640
sand also. 
Who don't know what is MD's. 

743
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,240
I beg your pardon? 
Right, so Marathon the SAB is a 

744
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:21,000
six day multi day event in the 
Sahara Desert. 

745
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,520
Self supported event. 
Yeah, in the Sahara Desert. 

746
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:32,960
I did that last year and from a 
50th it was, it was really that 

747
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:39,360
thing I, that last year I flew 
to Gatwick on the 10th of April 

748
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,440
and then I flew to Morocco on 
the 11th and my birthday was the

749
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,480
11th. 
So you can take the bear. 

750
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,200
So it was, it was one of my 
bucket. 

751
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,840
It was, it was my bucket list 
item to do marathon the SAB. 

752
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,600
So it was last year. 
As I say, got to carry 

753
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,680
everything yourself. 
All they give you is water in a 

754
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:01,800
sheet canvas over your, over 
your night time, 252 kilometres 

755
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,160
over. 
It's over six days, but it's 

756
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,080
over five runs, if that makes 
sense. 

757
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,680
Yeah, they, they, they, they 
give you a 2 day allowance for 

758
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,280
the 90 kilometre run. 
But for the faster runners, 

759
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,040
myself included, if you're doing
that in 12 hours, then you 

760
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,800
essentially get a day off a rest
day, you know, so hard goes out 

761
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,200
to those folk that are still out
there plugging away, you know, 

762
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,120
if through the mid-day sun on 
day 2, you know, the, the other,

763
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,880
the other superheroes of the 
event, if I'm being honest. 

764
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,640
So yeah, I saw I trained for 
that for about 18 months, two 

765
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,080
years, basically running about 
morning and night with a 

766
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,840
backpack on and as much as I 
could on the sand. 

767
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,440
The urban beach is only 20 
minutes from my front door, so 

768
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,520
it's really very handy. 
So I spent a lot of time on 

769
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,080
urban beach training and it was 
on one of those occasions I just

770
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,040
had this idea, but why don't we 
turn it into race? 

771
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,880
So Chris jumped at it and next 
thing we know about on the 

772
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,800
council talking about due 
diligence processes and 

773
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,400
governance and a first aid 
strategy and you name it. 

774
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,120
So I've actually got the cost 
card. 

775
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,680
Also another unique element 
we've got the cost card 

776
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,560
supporting as the entire event. 
They're, they're all from the 

777
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,400
first aid assistance. 
So anybody has a Tumblr, 

778
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,640
whatever. 
Then if on the Coast Guard 

779
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,160
someone's talking to them. 
I just think this is really 

780
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,720
cool, right? 
Maybe it's just me, but I was 

781
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,080
talking to the lady, you know, 
heads up that Coast Lodge 

782
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,560
building at Urban Beach and she 
said she says oh I think anybody

783
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,800
has a serious tumble. 
Don't worry, you phone us. 

784
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,320
You don't, you don't phone, you 
know, 999 anybody else, you 

785
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,360
phone us. 
We can have the helicopter over 

786
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,400
from Belfast much faster than it
can have an ambulance from 

787
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,640
Paisley. 
So I don't know any other ultra 

788
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,480
other than MD's where you get 
the option a helicopter they can

789
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,800
avail you and can. 
I just say that that's not an 

790
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,000
option for people. 
That is only that's not far. 

791
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,360
From the standard you may have 
to pay for that. 

792
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,520
I didn't go into detail, but the
fact that that say if things 

793
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,360
went that badly, which they 
won't, it's on sand right and 

794
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,120
it's flat as a pancake. 
But I just thought that was a 

795
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,600
cool one liner. 
I'll stick with you that going. 

796
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,920
Back to being nervous, what are 
you most nervous about for this 

797
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:40,920
race? 
So many small aspects, just, you

798
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,440
know, so many small bits, 
components just all coming 

799
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,960
together at the right time just 
for it to be a success for 

800
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,360
everybody. 
And, and there's, I suppose 

801
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,280
there's loads of these things, 
but I think we've, we've been 

802
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,400
really diligent in going through
what they look like. 

803
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,000
We've got the Marshalls, you 
know, we've got the aid 

804
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,440
stations. 
I can't think of anything. 

805
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,120
But you never, you never know, 
Mike. 

806
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,160
You know, that's why we're going
basics on the timing. 

807
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,600
So it'll be a, you know, guess a
glorified stopwatch with a bit 

808
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:18,960
of paper, you know, number and 
name. 

809
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,840
Don't rely too much on 
electronics, might fail. 

810
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,040
It's a beach setting or we'll 
have a generator, but something 

811
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,720
happens to that. 
So that's the thought process at

812
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,360
the moment. 
We've got an Ampervan, but what 

813
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,760
something happened to that, you 
know, So where there is a kind 

814
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:39,240
of a, a risky piece of the 
jigsaw, we have tried to have a 

815
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:44,040
contingency in place. 
All the kind of other material 

816
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,440
components like race numbers and
the goodie bags and merch and 

817
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,000
all that, that's already 
arrived. 

818
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,640
And here the numbers arrived 
today actually. 

819
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,840
They're also looking great, 
Nikki. 

820
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,280
So that was one of the last 
pieces. 

821
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,040
So it's just all of those bits, 
mate. 

822
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,640
I think if I was still sat here 
waiting on our delivery from 

823
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,320
China or some stuff, I might be 
a little bit nervous. 

824
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,520
But yeah, it's just, it's just a
lot. 

825
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,160
The idea of, you know, you have 
this concept, you put it out 

826
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,320
there. 
I mean, it's sold out. 

827
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,680
So we limited it. 
We limited it to 100 runners in 

828
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,440
the first year and from, you 
know, share this with you and 

829
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,600
the listeners. 
So Chris and I with no idea how 

830
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,160
it would go down. 
And we had a private 

831
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,840
conversation that went along the
lines of, look, if 20 people 

832
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,880
sign up, we'll put it on, but 
we'll put it on the shoestring. 

833
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,200
You know, there'll be no bells 
or whistles or just be really, 

834
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,960
really basic. 
If 50 people turn up, then it 

835
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,160
will be a complete success. 
And it sold out 100 people in 

836
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,920
less than 10 days. 
And, and as he was sick, so he, 

837
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,360
he's responsible for entry 
central, a type of admin. 

838
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,960
I was only in holiday at the 
time. 

839
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,280
He was giving me like daily 
updates and, and it was every 

840
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,560
day. 
It was another 10 got another 

841
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,680
10, another 10. 
You know, it's like, oh shit, 

842
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,760
this is a, this is actually 
quite serious. 

843
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,920
But I think there's that many 
people, especially like within 

844
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,880
the Scottish community, the, 
that is a really small number 

845
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,720
and it's very, very for it being
inaugural. 

846
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,560
A lot of people like the, you 
know, the exclusivity of that. 

847
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,720
I mean, I, I consider that 
myself for, you know, this is 

848
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,800
for knowing what I would have 
wanted to have done for my plans

849
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,120
this year. 
This is my part of the 

850
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,240
involvement, right? 
Well, I'm not going to erase it,

851
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:36,400
but I want to volunteer so. 
No, I get that. 

852
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,680
I mean, that's sorry, I 
mentioned earlier on as well 

853
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,960
part of the logic for holding it
where it was was it was the 

854
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,360
whole training for MD's. 
But I'm fairly very mindful. 

855
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,160
But a lot of the ultras in 
Scotland in particular, 

856
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,720
everybody's got ahead of the E9 
or of the E2, you know, they're 

857
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,160
all kind of centred around a bit
Western way greatly. 

858
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,480
They're not all obviously, of 
course, there's no others ran 

859
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,120
Oaks and Glenn trade. 
I know there's not, but Yesh has

860
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,120
a part of the country where I 
can't even think of any other 

861
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:15,840
than there ever. 
We, you know, and, and also 50% 

862
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,760
of all participants are female, 
which we're very proud of as 

863
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,800
well. 
Yeah. 

864
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,520
And and that wasn't there's no 
quotas or you, you, you know, 

865
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000
would you call it positive 
advertising on that? 

866
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,520
It's just, you know, first come,
first served and and 50% of 

867
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,280
females. 
I was going to ask, was that 

868
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,240
intentional or is that just? 
That's just the way it's. 

869
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,600
That's just the way it's fallen,
yeah. 

870
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,800
Fabulous. 
Hello. 

871
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Hello. 
You you said about being nervous

872
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,080
about waiting for a a shipment 
coming over. 

873
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,120
I last time I raced directed a 
race. 

874
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:55,000
It was just a running club 
loose, but I had my Garmin, a 

875
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,200
display watch. 
Other people would see it and 

876
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,120
the clock on my phone and I set 
them all off going at the same 

877
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,760
time. 
And the display clock, when it 

878
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,080
came to an hour, it was about 30
seconds out. 

879
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,640
I was like, well, Chuck that in 
the bed and then I'll just use 

880
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,080
my. 
Garmin. 

881
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,040
But MM see when I did Berlin, 
similar story. 

882
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,080
I, I did Berlin just in through 
the usual routine. 

883
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,280
Garmin fancy watch never failed 
me, got me through MD's on a 

884
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,800
single charge, you know, because
it's a fancy solar 1. 

885
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,880
You know, the best of the best 
on the market at the time. 

886
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,160
Bloody. 
But he started Berlin and then 

887
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,360
the stats that were thrown back 
to it were absolute foreign 

888
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,880
language stuff. 
It said I was going like walk in

889
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,000
peace and it just wouldn't 
calibrate. 

890
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,200
It just wouldn't calibrate at 
all. 

891
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,440
And up until halfway. 
So actually if you look at my 

892
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,760
Strava and Berlin, it will still
look as if I took much longer 

893
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,560
than I did because the stats are
just all over the shop. 

894
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,760
It wasn't until about halfway 
that it started taking a 

895
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,880
calibrate my actual pace and the
moment and I could see that was 

896
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,600
making sense. 
But the average up to that point

897
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,280
had me doing like a four and a 
half hour marathon. 

898
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,120
It just made no sense at all. 
So I did a lot of that running 

899
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,800
on fuel. 
But back to your point, relying 

900
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,800
on technology, all right, it's 
it's fine. 

901
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:29,280
Nikki's got us printed it 
spreadsheet well. 

902
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,040
The. 
The questions tonight, I've got 

903
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,680
them sitting on the computer. 
We're talking on the computer. 

904
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,000
We've got a chat going back and 
forth if we ever need it. 

905
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,720
We haven't tonight. 
Nikki's still got the questions 

906
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:46,240
printed out in a bit of paper. 
Me and all. 

907
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,600
And Speaking of them, I don't 
actually think we've actually 

908
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,880
set start to the question set in
the off. 

909
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,400
That's fine. 
I'm looking through it. 

910
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,240
You're right. 
I think we've covered a lot. 

911
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,720
Well, one of the next ones I'm 
going to ask off of the actual 

912
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,920
question set and I'm going to 
give you 2 options for this. 

913
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,680
I would like to know what is 
your favorite event? 

914
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,600
I'm not going to be exclusive. 
What's your favorite Rd. event 

915
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,840
and what's been your favorite 
trail event? 

916
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,880
A road bank. 
It's got, I think Ireland, but 

917
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,880
Barcelona with bloody magic as 
well. 

918
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,320
Just two very well executed 
weekends, you know, just just 

919
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,760
brilliant. 
Everything about them was just 

920
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,080
perfect. 
Berlin is such a lovely place. 

921
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,600
As I said, they were on 
everything just works value for 

922
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,800
money. 
Sweet daft things like unit for 

923
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:53,320
a meal and actually asking the 
waiter. 

924
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,480
You sure you charged enough you 
know, you know, because things 

925
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,360
were so good value for money, 
you know, two people could eat 

926
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,840
out like kings for £20. 
It was, it was a weirdest thing.

927
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,600
Everything just worked like 
clockwork guys. 

928
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:13,240
So Berlin probably Rd. event 
with Barcelona close second and 

929
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,920
A trails. 
Yeah, of course saying MD's is 

930
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,720
like nothing comes close to me 
personally, but that was a 

931
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,920
bucket list. 
And I know it's saying, I know 

932
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,560
it's quite exceptional. 
I don't know, think great Glenn,

933
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,040
I think I touched on it before. 
I love great. 

934
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,280
I just loved it. 
I love the fact that it's like 2

935
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,480
races in one. 
You know, you get your head down

936
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,720
on that first 50K knowing that 
the hills are coming and that's 

937
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,880
cool because actually by that 
time you're looking forward to 

938
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,280
them. 
I just, I just like that kind of

939
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:53,160
split nature of it and just just
the different landscapes and 

940
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,920
sceneries. 
I think there's loads to choose 

941
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,120
from. 
There's loads all afternoon. 

942
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,320
I love little old garden. 
How couldn't you love garden, 

943
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,280
right? 
You know what I mean? 

944
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,920
But that's back. 
There you go, one of each. 

945
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,680
Al Galton looks like cracking 
race. 

946
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,080
I mean, is that 2-3 years that's
been running now and that again,

947
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,280
this is one of these ones that's
quite exclusive. 

948
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,760
There's not many participants 
get into it. 

949
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,560
Yeah, yeah. 
They've done that three Times 

950
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,920
Now and yeah. 
And and it's one of our kind of 

951
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,960
popular training runs that you 
as the guys that run with. 

952
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,520
So it didn't actually. 
Go ahead. 

953
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,520
Last year it was postponed 
anyway because of. 

954
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,800
Schedules. 
Oh no, It went ahead Last year 

955
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,960
or this year? 
This year. 

956
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,320
Owen Owen cancelled the original
date, I'm sure, and then it got 

957
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,120
postponed. 
So the original date. 

958
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,040
But then there was a change of 
route. 

959
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,520
Was that that year? 
Because I've done it every year.

960
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,200
We start three years. 
Our first year was normal route,

961
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,840
second year was alternative 
route. 

962
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,240
I think, I think that's what it 
was. 

963
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,560
It was because I ran it with a 
bag one year as a trainer. 

964
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,000
Yeah, because that I think that 
was that not that year all. 

965
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:10,960
Right. 
That was still that. 

966
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,000
That's absolutely correct. 
So that was the alternative 

967
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,680
year, Nikki. 
That's right. 

968
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:24,600
And then this year I ran with 
Roberta Fletcher and she smashed

969
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,960
like took 45 minutes off her PB.
Brilliant. 

970
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,240
I know, all right, so, so, so 
great experience has been, but 

971
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,560
completely different. 
No2 No two have been the same. 

972
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:44,720
So going from fast marathons to 
trail ultras and everything in 

973
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,440
between, how do you feel for 
your races? 

974
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,680
Fuel. 
Yeah, I OK. 

975
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,800
Yeah. 
So things like a marathon, I'm 

976
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:02,040
very clinical, like very 
clinical and I don't obsess too 

977
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:07,600
much about carb loading. 
I'm doing a wee bit, but I don't

978
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,160
go over the top on the days 
running up to marathon. 

979
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,840
Your body can only sort of store
so much glycogen anyway, and you

980
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,960
don't really want to get you a 
point where you wouldn't even 

981
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,440
consider depleting it. 
You know, to a point, you know, 

982
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,840
about 20 K mark, I think the 
human body can hold about 2025 

983
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,520
kilometers worth of glycogen. 
But so my strategy is always get

984
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:36,120
about 10 kilometers in, give or 
take, like, like like your 

985
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,440
breakfast, whatever that is, 
fuel, you know, your first, 

986
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,160
your, your journey to the start,
all that nervousness, all that 

987
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,560
build up your first 10 
kilometres or so. 

988
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,280
And then it's on average for me 
two or three gels every hour. 

989
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,840
So fingers crossed if I only get
2 and a bit hours to go I'm 

990
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,080
looking about 6 gels that will 
carry on a belt from arsons to 

991
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,400
say. 
I'm quite clinical with that. 

992
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,680
If it's a hot one I'll add salt 
tablets. 

993
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,840
If not I won't bother. 
And I am the world's worst 

994
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,600
because I always come back with 
like 2 spelled gels. 

995
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,920
I haven't used DO. 
You have a gel preference. 

996
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,000
What's that do? 
You have a gel preference? 

997
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,800
Do you have a brand you like? 
I do Nikki. 

998
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:27,240
Actually I do a precision 
hydration for a no messing about

999
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,320
serious stuff. 
Don't get me wrong, don't hate 

1000
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,000
me for saying this, but 
sometimes I think you've got to 

1001
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,640
remortgage a host to keep keep 
going on them because they 

1002
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,000
haven't itchy. 
But Christ they're good. 

1003
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:44,040
The other in the spectrum, high 
5. 

1004
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,560
I really like the viscosity of 
high 5. 

1005
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,120
They're not very Jelly. 
They're more liquidy if you 

1006
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,440
know, I mean so dead easy the 
more a week and a drink than a 

1007
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,560
gel. 
I do like them and I do use them

1008
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,520
a lot for training runs because 
I'm a tight ass and I'm not 

1009
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,240
going to fucking buy precision 
hydration for running a bit 

1010
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,800
where I stay in a Wednesday 
night. 

1011
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,920
So they are to go to in in 
bigger runs, much bigger stuff. 

1012
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,640
Again, I try and keep a very 
simple formula so the likes of 

1013
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,040
if you look like great Glenn, I 
think A6 good six drop bags for 

1014
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,200
every one, every 20 K give or 
take. 

1015
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,800
So I just have a formula for 20K
and repeat six times. 

1016
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,040
I don't I don't kind of really 
go daft with what's in the bags.

1017
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,600
I just try and keep it 
consistent and that'll be things

1018
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:40,520
like my new favorite thing is 
Haribos actually they're like 

1019
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,560
97% carbs. 
Haribos, you know, see from a 

1020
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:50,120
carb return that they like off 
the charts and they just provide

1021
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:55,360
something different to normal 
gels or have you or anything. 

1022
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,080
Those sweeties. 
Actually, I bought some tonight 

1023
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,000
when I was having a moment 
earlier on, I was needing an 

1024
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,320
energy with Jelly Tots Jelly. 
There's a new version of Jelly 

1025
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,080
Tots that come out and they're 
tangy and they're flapping 

1026
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,000
brilliant. 
Again, 97% carbs. 

1027
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,800
So things like that, I'll always
appear in the bag. 

1028
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,560
Things like I'm a big fan of 
Ella's Kitchen, the baby food 

1029
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,360
I've mentioned before on in 
numerous conversations and 

1030
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,840
social media. 
I'm a big fan of banana and 

1031
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,200
coconut again, just to it's not 
going to blow your brains with 

1032
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,240
carb return, but it's just to 
give you a different texture, 

1033
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,920
taste, flavour, just something 
else to add into the mix. 

1034
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:41,960
So yeah, what else? 
I'll pretty much keep me going 

1035
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,320
if I'm being honest. 
Horrible's Ella's Kitchen. 

1036
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,800
I'll throw a banana and maybe 
after a second drop bag. 

1037
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,280
I usually never touch it, but 
it's there is a just in case. 

1038
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,200
Equally maybe if it's a bit 
longer than bagels with Nutella,

1039
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,360
not chopped up in a bite sized 
chunks. 

1040
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,200
They're quite kind of go to. 
I know they're quite dry as 

1041
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,880
well, but again, just gives you 
something different. 

1042
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,640
Chew on if you're on the move. 
Yeah, I don't. 

1043
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,680
I don't find that bananas travel
very well. 

1044
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,760
They've got one of them in the 
bottom of your bag and you don't

1045
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,200
eat it and. 
You, you find it next day. 

1046
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:16,720
Yeah, I know. 
What? 

1047
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,880
So you've either got it up and 
you've either got to eat it 

1048
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,000
there and then at that 
checkpoint or, and chances are 

1049
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,320
you don't really feel like it 
and you, you, you want in and 

1050
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,600
out anyway. 
And the short great Glenn, what 

1051
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,200
was great was I'm always 
experimenting with stuff 

1052
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,600
incidentally, you know. 
So I'm going to try and keep it 

1053
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,480
quite simple. 
I'm always, you know, giving 

1054
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,120
other things a try. 
Like see to be many pots of 

1055
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,040
ambrosia rice. 
Yeah, absolutely magic. 

1056
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,560
I find again, it's purely just 
for a different flavour and 

1057
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,320
texture. 
It's not going to set any 

1058
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:52,080
records with carb, with tongue. 
But again, it's just something 

1059
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,360
different. 
Look forward to if you know it's

1060
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,600
coming up ahead. 
Do you ever take the carb drinks

1061
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
like Tailwind or Active Root? 
Or do you just? 

1062
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,440
Water. 
No, no, no, sorry, I should have

1063
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,240
said all of that is complemented
with tailwind. 

1064
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,200
Always. 
Aye, aye, it's always always. 

1065
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:13,840
Tailwind used to be active root.
I don't know why I'm an author. 

1066
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,800
Active root actually. 
I was going to fed up with a 

1067
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,400
ginger flavour, but they're 
cracking kind of green tea type.

1068
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,200
They do have peppermint as. 
Well. 

1069
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,640
Yeah, I, it's that one. 
It's more of an Imami, I think. 

1070
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,200
Quite, quite, I can't quite 
describe it, but it's quite like

1071
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,760
that. 
But I've I've been back to tier 

1072
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:38,360
one, go back to what I know. 
Well, you, you said earlier that

1073
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,000
you're doing the West Island way
this year. 

1074
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,040
It's 100 kilometres in is Jelly 
Baby Hill. 

1075
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,600
So I'll be at the top of there 
handing out Jelly babies. 

1076
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:52,080
So you'll have one reserved. 
Good man, because last time I 

1077
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,240
did it I made an answer that I 
had to stop at a bridge of Orky.

1078
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,960
Oh well, there's your your 
certain incentive. 

1079
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:06,560
You have to come and see me. 96 
TN and it's like, oh come on, 

1080
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,200
really? 
But it's fine. 

1081
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,080
I'm not going to go over that 
one again. 

1082
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,200
It wasn't. 
It wasn't for me that day. 

1083
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,720
So you went over your fuelling 
during the race, What about out 

1084
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,880
with the race? 
You said you don't carb load 

1085
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,840
that much, but just on a daily 
basis. 

1086
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:31,840
What kind of things like high 
carb, low carb, high protein, 

1087
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:38,560
whatever? 
A quite a regiment. 

1088
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,320
So first and foremost, what 
we're but virtually a vegetarian

1089
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,080
family. 
Virtually my daughter is 100% 

1090
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,000
vegetarian. 
So I'm the cook, I'm the chef in

1091
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,120
the house. 
So it's much easier for me at 

1092
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:58,120
the weekend to batch cook, be it
chillies, bag balls, curries, 

1093
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,760
etcetera, etcetera. 
So I tend to batch cook over the

1094
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:06,000
weekend and it'll last us. 
So it's always a good mix and 

1095
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,760
every meal often be honest Mike,
you know, so you call for 

1096
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,480
chickpea curries and stuff, you 
know, they're very healthy. 

1097
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:17,040
Maybe broccolis as well. 
You've got all your proteins 

1098
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,640
from the, it's called, call it a
veggie chili, but it's more like

1099
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,640
a bean Stew. 
You know, it's like a 5 bean 

1100
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:28,160
Stew. 
So ordinarily quite we're quite 

1101
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:33,000
healthy in that respect. 
I tend to always go for a big 

1102
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,240
salad every lunchtime. 
I'm just a creature to habit. 

1103
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,160
I work from home and and that 
can I know it's high in fiber 

1104
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,560
and all that, but again, it's a 
good balance. 

1105
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Breakfast is always pretty much 
porridge with Greek yogurt. 

1106
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,960
Again, getting plenty of protein
in there and fruits. 

1107
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,640
Frozen mango gets off off a 
frozen mango lots frozen mango 

1108
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:03,360
and pretty much so it's 
relatively balanced volume wise.

1109
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:09,360
Probably eat quite a lot, you 
know, just just a few evenings. 

1110
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,840
I'm a big pasta fan, but I was 
listening a nutritionist last 

1111
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:18,400
week and she was saying, you 
know, the trick with with pasta 

1112
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,840
is to which obviously exactly 
what she says, don't eat, don't 

1113
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:28,840
eat pasta naked. 
So dress up with protein of some

1114
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,840
description. 
And so it do with the kind of 

1115
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,240
the kind of sugar absorption the
bloodstream. 

1116
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,480
So basically the the bloodstream
will absorb the protein before 

1117
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:42,200
it absorbs the carbs and you 
know, end around it's better for

1118
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:46,360
you if you do that. 
But I come in tonight from a big

1119
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,720
run, put on a pot of bastard and
nothing but pesto in it and 

1120
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,920
Hoover that like it was my last 
meal. 

1121
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,920
So I try and be well behaved 
most of the time. 

1122
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,800
I think you've got to. 
If you need the fuel, you've got

1123
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,120
to fuel your body. 
It needs it. 

1124
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,200
Whether it's the good or bad, it
needs the fuel. 

1125
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,840
Absolutely, absolutely. 
I don't, I don't calorie count. 

1126
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:18,600
I don't feel I've ever had to. 
My weight is I can tell. 

1127
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,000
I mean I, I can tell. 
So we see when I increase, see 

1128
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,680
when I go 100 kilometre plus a 
week, I can just tell how much 

1129
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,720
more I need to consume because 
you just start feeling that wee 

1130
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:36,359
bit more tired. 
Equally, if the mileage is a bit

1131
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:40,600
lower then I know when to hold 
back on the on the biscuits and 

1132
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,960
ice cream in that. 
Well, you still need the 

1133
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,800
biscuits and ice cream for that 
treat though. 

1134
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:57,760
That This is why I. 
So you mentioned you ran with 

1135
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,920
your big bag for MD's for 
training DO. 

1136
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,920
Is that one of your favorite 
pieces of running kit, or do you

1137
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:08,800
have an absolute favorite you 
wouldn't go without? 

1138
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,680
For that two year period, I 
couldn't go without that bag. 

1139
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,840
That was part of my body. 
It was just part of my 

1140
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,760
existence. 
Still have it tough as old 

1141
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,080
boots. 
You could throw out a moving 

1142
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,880
train and a kid you know it 
wouldn't even pick up a scratch.

1143
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,120
It's it's it's cracking bag all 
of it too. 

1144
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:34,319
But that is my all time fave. 
I do like my watch as well. 

1145
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,080
I know I just slagged it from 
going about barely up in Berlin,

1146
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,680
but it's the only watch that had
the capability of keeping a 

1147
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:47,479
charge the entire lengths of 
MD's that didn't need, you know,

1148
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:53,240
a separate charger. 
There was guys carrying like 500

1149
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,440
gram chargers on their backs and
stuff like, you know, and solar 

1150
01:09:56,440 --> 01:10:01,720
chargers and like, you know, you
know, you're like you're cutting

1151
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,920
these strips straps off your bag
to reduce the weight and stuff 

1152
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,760
like that. 
You know, and these guys are 

1153
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,480
kind of use big lithium bags and
I wonder why they kind of get 

1154
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:17,000
their bag below 10 kilos. 
What What make was your bag and 

1155
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,680
what is it? 
It's it's it's called ultimate 

1156
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,880
direction. 
It's one that's kind of like not

1157
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,880
designed specifically for MD's, 
but it's it's right up there 

1158
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,640
with the top three most popular 
bags for MD's. 

1159
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,480
The multi day event take take 
bag in ultimate reject ultimate 

1160
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,400
direction 25 litre. 
It's just as perfect in every 

1161
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,680
way. 
So that would be me. 

1162
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,520
Oh my latest bet fancy kit is my
North face trainers. 

1163
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,120
The are absolutely amazing. 
Can't remember making them Chou 

1164
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:56,640
shoes a those ones that kind of 
a bit rounded at the bottom and 

1165
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,640
they're bit kind of rocky. 
They're absolutely amazing. 

1166
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:07,840
And maybe answer this, when 
you're out in the desert in the 

1167
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:13,760
Sahara and Morocco, or in the 
streets in Irving, what do you 

1168
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,200
think about when you're running 
a? 

1169
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,560
Why very different things when 
you know? 

1170
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,800
Is it survival in both places? 
I I mean usually nothing stuff 

1171
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,400
like it's like as long as I can 
run faster than and then I'm 

1172
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:36,120
fine. 
No, I mean the day. 

1173
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,400
The day is not like joking 
aside, see you see you take away

1174
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,600
all luxuries, all mod coins, 
everything you're stripped 

1175
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,240
better the back boat. 
You know everything's gone your 

1176
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,520
phone. 
There's no Internet, there's the

1177
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,360
Facebook and social media. 
There's nothing known about 

1178
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:53,760
tech. 
You've got your watch and that 

1179
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,720
is right. 
It's so liberating your mind 

1180
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,720
just goes nuts. 
See the dreams you have it's 

1181
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,880
just because you've you've got 
this extra headspace. 

1182
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,440
So your mind goes on your 
overload. 

1183
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,400
Don't get me wrong, when you're 
running, it's all about in the 

1184
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,240
moment and checking peace, 
keeping an eye on fluids. 

1185
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,920
You're always managing, you know
your situation at that moment in

1186
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,680
time. 
Do you have enough fluids to get

1187
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,440
to the next day station? 
Yes, no. 

1188
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:24,800
If no, what you're going to do, 
but you know it's that kind of 

1189
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,560
thing. 
Is that thorn in your shoe 

1190
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,840
really a big problem? 
Do you need to stop or are you 

1191
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,080
going to hike this engines, 
you're going to run them, blah, 

1192
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,880
blah, blah, blah, blah, which 
appears like, so that's always 

1193
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,480
keeping you busy. 
But generally running about for 

1194
01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,160
me is to be better. 
I think I do. 

1195
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,680
I do when I'm swimming as well. 
I do a lot of problem solving in

1196
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,680
my head. 
If I'm being truthful, I think 

1197
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,800
swimming is easier to do it 
because you're taking away some 

1198
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,520
of the other environmental 
distractions when you're in the 

1199
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,280
pool. 
But I found I do a lot of 

1200
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,640
problem solving on a kind of 
professional level or you know, 

1201
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,720
even kind of personal stuff, 
family stuff. 

1202
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,760
If you're just struggling with 
our situation. 

1203
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,840
I try and devote that time. 
I don't listen to music at all, 

1204
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,160
ever. 
So I'm always, I'm always 

1205
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,600
listening to what's going on. 
As I say, trying to try to solve

1206
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,320
the next problem. 
It's just around the corner. 

1207
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,880
And you may have just answered 
my next question. 

1208
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,640
When you're swimming, do you 
cross train? 

1209
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,120
Do you? 
What do you do when you're not 

1210
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,040
running? 
So I try mate, I do try. 

1211
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,880
I'm, I'm not the one who's 
worst, but I'm fairly typical 

1212
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,680
and see if I'm injured. 
I'm like the most popular guy in

1213
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,520
the pool, you know, You know, 
I'm like there twice a day. 

1214
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,680
It's like, oh, you're back 
again. 

1215
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,080
Yeah, surprise, surprise, you 
know, limping in the pool. 

1216
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,760
So I'm kind of bad in that 
respect. 

1217
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,920
I'm a fairly decent swimming. 
I don't do enough of it and I 

1218
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,440
love it. 
But it's because running just 

1219
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:00,760
takes up so much more time. 
I do try and make time on a 

1220
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:06,480
Monday to get out on the bike if
it's the road again, be honest 

1221
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:08,440
with you. 
I prefer mountain bike because 

1222
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:11,600
you can spend less time on it, 
you know, up down the trails and

1223
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,560
it'll be a bit more technical 
time permitting. 

1224
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,520
So I do try and do the three 
disciplines. 

1225
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,160
Not as much as I would like to 
perform in truthful, but then it

1226
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,880
hits winter and I tend to get on
a static bike a hell of a lot 

1227
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,360
more as well. 
So and nice segue actually, 

1228
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,360
because I know one of the 
questions, what's next? 

1229
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:36,240
So I am doing I've been more 
triathlon in September. 

1230
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,880
So you've. 
Read my mind there. 

1231
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,560
I was going to say, have you 
done a triathlon or? 

1232
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,520
So the answer, yes I've done 1. 
I did Bishop Briggs years ago 

1233
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,640
and loved it. 
Go and ask me why I've never 

1234
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,920
gone back and done another one. 
Loved it, enjoyed it, did really

1235
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,320
well at it. 
Say decent swimmer, no bad 

1236
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,040
runner, haven't really invested 
in the bike. 

1237
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,960
You know like a 20 year old 
Carrera. 

1238
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,080
That's an utter embarrassment. 
But I took it along and I did 

1239
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,160
all right, you know, and the 
results speak for themselves. 

1240
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,800
So I'm going to spend a bit more
time on the swimming and the 

1241
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,240
bike in preparation for a bit 
more, mate. 

1242
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,680
Back to your point, I'm going to
be a lot more focused. 

1243
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,800
There isn't a full triathlon. 
It's kind of like, I think it's 

1244
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:28,480
a kilometre swim, 18K and A12K 
run, but it's all trail. 

1245
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,000
So you're on a mountain bike, 
not a road bike, you know, You 

1246
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,840
know, it's a trail run, not a 
road run. 

1247
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:40,840
So I think that's my style of a 
running and biking quite good. 

1248
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,200
Would you ever fancy Iron Man or
help Man? 

1249
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,520
No in two for that shit like 
that, absolutely. 

1250
01:15:50,280 --> 01:16:01,200
Not too old. 
Maybe you've never seen ever. 

1251
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:08,480
I've got a a deep question for 
you that I find it sometimes 

1252
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:13,400
awkward to ask, but who would 
you like to run with, either 

1253
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:23,480
alive or not, fictional or not? 
Bill disclosure, I did see these

1254
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:28,680
questions yesterday, right? 
And a, I've just finished this 

1255
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,120
book. 
Going to think where am I going 

1256
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,920
with this? 
But it's so relevant. 

1257
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,600
It's so relevant to me. 
Most of the listeners of yours 

1258
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,880
will never have heard of them. 
They might have, but a, so the 

1259
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,240
book is The Forgotten 
Highlander. 

1260
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:51,520
So this is a chart called 
Alistair Arquet and let me just 

1261
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,800
read, if it's OK. 
Can I read the summary the intro

1262
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,960
to the book? 
Yeah, when you go so. 

1263
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,080
So Alastair Arquette was a 
soldier in the Golden 

1264
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,360
Highlanders, captured by the 
Japanese in Singapore. 

1265
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,720
He not only survived working on 
a notorious bridge of River 

1266
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,120
Kwai, but he was subsequently 
taken on one of the Japanese 

1267
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:16,000
hail ships, which was about 
torpedoed by the US Nearly 

1268
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,440
everyone else on board died, and
Arquette spent five days alone 

1269
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,960
on a raft in the South China 
Sea. 

1270
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,200
Shark infested, I should say, 
before being rescued by a 

1271
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,160
whaling ship. 
He was then taken back to Japan 

1272
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,480
and then forced to work in a 
main near Nagasaki. 

1273
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,480
Two months later, nuclear bomb 
dropped just 10 miles away. 

1274
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,160
And he felt the heat from that 
bomb, right? 

1275
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:47,880
There's something a bit. 
So when you listen to that off, 

1276
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,400
that just scans the surface, 
right? 

1277
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,840
Suck some of the stuff he 
endured couldn't repeat right, 

1278
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,200
because it wouldn't be fit for 
for for for listeners 

1279
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,080
consumption. 
It's it's horrific, right. 

1280
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,880
And I genuinely just finished it
last week. 

1281
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,320
So I saw that question who you 
run? 

1282
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,360
I run with him and we're doing 
nothing. 

1283
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:11,800
Talk about that, that that 
survival instinct and, and, and 

1284
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,960
you know, when you're when 
you're at bridge of work, you're

1285
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,880
crying out your cornflakes, you 
know, thinking the world's over 

1286
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,560
and everybody owes you 
something. 

1287
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,920
I would just I would love to 
hear his story in person. 

1288
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,760
He died many years ago. 
I think he died in the late 90s 

1289
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,360
or early 2000s ended up being a 
sheep farm on the sky or 

1290
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,280
something like that. 
But so, so, so think about 

1291
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,080
taking prisoner of war, which in
except, you know, that that was 

1292
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,680
concentration camp they call 
stuff to survive in its own put 

1293
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:46,400
in a ship that the Americans 
torpedoed by accident because 

1294
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,160
the Japanese didn't put a put a 
first aid flag on it. 

1295
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:54,560
Anyway, he survived that. 
And then as I say #3 was he felt

1296
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,320
the waft of the, of the atomic 
bomb and he survived that as 

1297
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,400
well. 
So I, I just think that was I, I

1298
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,840
might have spent time with his 
company. 

1299
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,960
Good answer. 
That's a great answer. 

1300
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,080
Sorry it's not a jogi can I 
answer? 

1301
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,440
No, I think. 
It's a great answer. 

1302
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,240
The the the question is what do 
you want? 

1303
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:21,600
Not for the the generic. 
So yeah, good answer there. 

1304
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,320
You go. 
So have you got, you've done 

1305
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,720
pretty massive events, you've 
done London, you've done Berlin,

1306
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,800
you've done MD's, have you got 
other bucket list races now that

1307
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,160
left the tick off OK. 
I think if I start talking about

1308
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,760
those type of events in the 
house so soon, I'd probably 

1309
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:48,920
shown the door, but between you,
me and the listeners, a maybe 

1310
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,200
something like Moab 240 or bad 
water. 

1311
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,160
Now, I don't haven't looked in 
detail on the entry requirements

1312
01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:00,040
to these events. 
I know Debbie Malan Kasani has 

1313
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,840
done bad water obviously and and
hard and I had a chat offline 

1314
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,040
and kind of lead up to MD's and 
what have you, you know, so so I

1315
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,120
know there's a. 
Sources of information, you 

1316
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:16,440
know, a close by, but those are 
the 2 events that kind of were 

1317
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:21,320
on my radar. 
Both hot events obviously, but I

1318
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,640
think with the right training, I
think I do prefer the hotter 

1319
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,280
stuff. 
The colder stuff doesn't appeal 

1320
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,560
to me. 
I'm being honest. 

1321
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:33,000
And, and stuff in the jungle and
all that I don't know can be 

1322
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,120
bored. 
Clamber, nothing done. 

1323
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,680
Tropical rainforests, you know, 
for nearly two weeks in the 

1324
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,200
middle of Peru. 
I did at one point but no. 

1325
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:46,880
I think something like Moab or 
or bad water might be on the hit

1326
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,480
list at some point before I'm 55
going. 

1327
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,680
Back to the roads, do you have a
desire to complete the majors? 

1328
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:03,400
No, I don't, don't Nikki. 
I was trying to convince my wife

1329
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,720
to go to Japan next early next 
year. 

1330
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:11,760
Didn't he tell it was to do? 
I was like special birthday pet,

1331
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,360
we'll go we'll go to Japan in 
Japan. 

1332
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,880
It's like, oh, just lovely. 
I've been looking at it a lot 

1333
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:21,600
lately, you know, but see try to
get Japan a Tokyo. 

1334
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:26,160
Sorry, try to get in. 
It's just again, they seem to be

1335
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,800
like that. 
I won't bore you with too much 

1336
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:31,920
person. 
I mean, I might experience same 

1337
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,960
issues with more than bad water,
but don't like it all political.

1338
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,000
But I've been to Cuba a few 
times and in doing so, it makes 

1339
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,440
getting into the States quite 
difficult. 

1340
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,840
Yes. 
So the lives that are on with 

1341
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,240
they've all done Boston, Chicago
and and what have you. 

1342
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,520
And I don't know if I'm a 
subconscious, I'm not interested

1343
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,560
in them because just because I 
know the hurdle that I need to 

1344
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,200
go over. 
I mean, you've got to go in 

1345
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:59,280
person at the US Embassy, all 
the family to be personally 

1346
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,680
interviewed and all that. 
And I don't know, that just 

1347
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,400
seems like a bit abolic too far 
for me. 

1348
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,880
But as I say, I'll probably, I 
might experience that. 

1349
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:12,080
I think considered more but or 
bad water, but I don't know, 

1350
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,640
maybe maybe the political 
situation would have changed by 

1351
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:16,320
then. 
Who knows? 

1352
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,360
Rule the rules relaxed. 
But as it stands at the moment, 

1353
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,760
it's pretty tough. 
No, no, if you unless you get 

1354
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,440
rid of a certain person in 
charge of America at the moment,

1355
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:28,760
well, we're not going to that 
one. 

1356
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:31,440
No, no. 
I. 

1357
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:39,840
I went to Cuba and my passport 
expired, say, a year later, and 

1358
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,360
then I went to America, but 
because my I didn't have the 

1359
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,480
stamp of my passport, they 
didn't know. 

1360
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,040
Oh right OK mate that's 
interesting because mine is also

1361
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,720
expired so I went. 
I remember saying you met that 

1362
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:53,160
Danish couple in Cuba like 12 
years ago and we've been back 

1363
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:57,000
again two years ago, but I've 
since had a new passport anyway 

1364
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,760
so I totally digress from the 
subject. 

1365
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:04,400
I run immigration rules for the 
states random. 

1366
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:06,960
I've got one more question to 
ask. 

1367
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,040
I don't know if Nikki's got 
anything else. 

1368
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:12,320
No, she's not speaking up. 
OK. 

1369
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:18,600
If you could go back in time to 
2013 when you were 39 and you 

1370
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,160
started running, what would be 
your biggest bit of advice that 

1371
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:26,200
you give to yourself about 
running? 

1372
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,160
Sorry I didn't prep you for this
one because. 

1373
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,320
I know, I know, I know. 
It's a it's a good call. 

1374
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,600
It's a good call. 
It would be something like 

1375
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:52,840
invest in a research hydration 
nutrition earlier on in your 

1376
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,520
running career. 
I think I would be that I and 

1377
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,360
research and understand the 
importance of that. 

1378
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,680
I think that's the one element 
that was all of it trial and 

1379
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,000
error and up in the air. 
So I make a point of everybody 

1380
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,600
approach at the moment. 
I make a point that, you know, 

1381
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,920
kind of lean out almost like a 
formula, you know, 70 to 90 

1382
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,760
carbs. 
I never, you know, during 

1383
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:15,800
extreme exercise, beat training 
or racing, you don't and 4500 

1384
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,640
miles of fluids. 
You know, irrespective, I make a

1385
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:19,960
point and really leave that 
point. 

1386
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:25,080
But I didn't have a clue when I 
was part and a way part runs on 

1387
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:30,040
my Todd and and writing up we 
flag packet plans on on an E4 

1388
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,480
sheet on how to do a Madison for
myself as well. 

1389
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:35,320
So so I would I would just 
research and structure what I 

1390
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,280
was doing better. 
That's what I do. 

1391
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:39,680
I'd get myself a coach, Ryan 
Lama. 

1392
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,040
Right. 
I think I was going to wrap us 

1393
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,160
up. 
We've chatted away about 

1394
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,600
everything and nothing, probably
lots of questions that you 

1395
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,920
weren't prepared for, but you 
answered them perfectly. 

1396
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:58,560
So from me, it's thank you Nikki
for being Nikki. 

1397
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,600
Thank you, John for coming on 
and thanks everybody for 

1398
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:02,880
listening. 
So it's goodbye for me. 

1399
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:06,280
Thanks again mate. 
Thanks Nikki. 

1400
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:07,040
It's been a pleasure.