1 00:00:20,390 --> 00:00:23,230 Hello and welcome back to Run to Run. 2 00:00:23,550 --> 00:00:25,270 It's just us 2 that's here today. 3 00:00:25,510 --> 00:00:27,070 I thought we'd have a bit of a catch up. 4 00:00:27,070 --> 00:00:30,870 We've got news to tell. I've been racing Mickey's got 5 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:32,710 the Fling coming up this weekend. 6 00:00:33,070 --> 00:00:38,510 So it's all all go or been or tired or stuffed. 7 00:00:38,950 --> 00:00:41,880 So it's going to catch up on what's happening. 8 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,600 So Nikki, you are this is Thursday that we're recording 9 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,560 and The thing is Saturday. Tell us all the news. 10 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Well, those of you that do listen in and follow my 11 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,800 Instagram page will probably be all aware now. 12 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,240 I've not actually made the formal announcement until now 13 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,920 open in the public, but unfortunately I have had to pull 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:15,880 out a fling. And it's taken 5 weeks and five 15 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,960 days to start like to actually not have the lump in my throat 16 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:23,520 of actually saying that. And even that is it's yeah, it's 17 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,960 gotten. And there's also a reason for 18 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:29,480 this. You want to go. 19 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,360 I know what the reason is, although I'm I'm shocked to hear 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,720 that you're not doing the rest. You want to go back a few weeks 21 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:41,240 to say what actually what? What's the reason behind it? 22 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,600 So 9th of August, Saturday morning, Lee Campbell had 23 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,680 arranged one of his quarterly Pentlands run his his intention 24 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,840 was to do winter, spring, summer, autumn. 25 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,480 So this was the summer version of the Pentlands so that we're 26 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,400 all getting nice views of them. Different views, different 27 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,960 terrain, and we set off. The weather was wild at the 28 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,479 tops. That was hard work. 29 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,200 I thought I would have been OK actually, and a lot. 30 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,680 I thought I probably was a lot fitter than what I was for the 31 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,840 spring version, but it was tough conditions going up to the top. 32 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,560 Got to the top of Carnefy Hill, which was the second hill we'd 33 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,320 summited. Got a beautiful rainbow. 34 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,920 It's on my Instagram. Took the pictures, everything 35 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:33,600 like that. Then started running down the 36 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,680 hill because the weather was starting to turn and it was 37 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,800 starting to get something was coming out and everything. 38 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,320 It was lovely. Felt really, really strong at 39 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,800 that point, starting to gain a bit more confidence and stopped 40 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,600 to take a picture of the beautiful hell in front of us. 41 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,400 I can't remember which one Lee would be able to tell us. 42 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,760 And Stevie was behind me and I saw you. 43 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:57,800 OK. I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm just 44 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,960 taking a picture. I felt really good on that 45 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,360 stretch. Serena, who was an upcoming 46 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,840 guest, was passed by. Ross Beveridge passed by. 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,720 So everyone went to the gate that we all were going to meet 48 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,400 at. And me and Steve, we were at the 49 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,320 back. Put my foot down a rabbit hole. 50 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,880 I think it was what it was. And it all happened that fast. 51 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,040 My ankle went snap and I went down like a sack of eyes. 52 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,240 And Steve, all I could hear was, Steve, you go. 53 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,200 And I thought, Oh no, it must be bad because between the snap and 54 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Stevie's reaction, you look, you know, when you're a parent and a 55 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,720 child falls and child instantly looks to the parent for what 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,400 should I do? I think that's what I've done 57 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,240 with Stevie and just seeing the horror in his face. 58 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:49,200 And I was like, and it sounds really stupid, but the first 59 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:55,560 thought I had was on offline flings in six weeks, so. 60 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Where's the rabbit hole? OK. 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,720 Well, I think it was because Stevie and Lee were out the 62 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,240 following week and put the pole in it and says, oh, I think this 63 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,440 was the one you fell down. OK, thanks guys. 64 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:12,160 Just. Rubbing you in I I like Good job 65 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:17,519 guys. So I managed, Stevie picked me 66 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:22,079 up, tried to walk along to the gate to meet everyone and I 67 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:24,280 couldn't walk. Like I could not put my foot 68 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:26,280 down. I think it was just the shock 69 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:29,760 and I was like, Oh no. So thankfully I had layers in my 70 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,160 bag. And see, we said, right, get 71 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,280 your layers on, sit tight here, we'll come up and get you. 72 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:38,920 So I was like, right, OK. And I was shaking that much. 73 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,760 I couldn't actually like open and get my trousers on. 74 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,200 Took a few deep breaths and tried to calm myself down, which 75 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,760 I did, got my layers on, got my trousers on and got myself back 76 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:57,240 up and just kind of really slowly, tensively walked to the 77 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,120 group. So I was glad I done that. 78 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,400 And I thought, right, well that's good because it's not 79 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,200 horrifically dislocated, broken, whatever. 80 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,720 Because when you fall, that was the first really huge accident 81 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,480 I've had out on a hill. I've been really lucky and thank 82 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,440 God I was with a group, but it sounds really silly. 83 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,040 I'm like, I really hope mountain rescue don't have to come and 84 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,720 get me. You've got all these thoughts 85 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:24,840 going through your mind, but this is exactly why I packed 86 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:28,160 safety kit. I mean, I look at really 87 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,800 experienced advanced trail runners and a lot of them don't 88 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,800 seem to pack, you know, the basic kit, which blows my mind 89 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,320 because it can happen to anyone. Yep, definitely. 90 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:45,960 So managed to get back down, got to my cafe, SAT tight while 91 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,480 Stevie ran on ahead to the car park where his car was, came up, 92 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,040 got us and then we had coffee and cake afterwards. 93 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,600 Which I wish would have made it all better, but it really 94 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,520 doesn't. Cake always makes it better. 95 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,360 I took that, softened the blow and the sympathetic head tilts 96 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,560 and oh, are you OK? So yeah, it's so dankle. 97 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,440 It will be fine. But when I got home, because 98 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,880 everyone told me don't take your shoe off like if you can avoid 99 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,000 it, don't because it will keep the swell. 100 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,480 And then and when I got home managed to get a shower and the 101 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,800 ankle just blew up. I knew myself. 102 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,480 I had to go A&E and get it X-rayed because the only reason 103 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,120 I think I did do that is because of the audible snap. 104 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,840 I thought, I need to get it checked and make sure I've done 105 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:38,160 nothing huge because had it been broken, I actually think that 106 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,200 would have made things a bit better because it would have 107 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,920 made the decision then. And then for a flight, it's 108 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,880 like, right, you're not doing it that, you know, on that day 109 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,800 where there's a hat about two or three weeks of, oh, it might be 110 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,840 better, It might be better. But I don't know, with 111 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:58,320 hindsight, looking back now at probably what the decision 112 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,840 should have been made that day anyway because it completely 113 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:03,800 screwed my train and I could barely walk for a week after 114 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,760 that and I wasn't a member. So yeah. 115 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:14,600 If it had been broken, weirdly, a break is actually better 116 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,360 because it breaks and it heals, whereas it's like ligament 117 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,560 damage or whatever it is that that can take a long time. 118 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,040 Yeah. So you're you're better off with 119 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,960 a break. Yeah, so I managed to get to see 120 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:34,280 Johnny Kilpatrick, former guest, and he I couldn't get to him 121 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,560 sooner because he was on holiday with his family. 122 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,240 So he was away for about two weeks and then you know how it 123 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,720 is, it was the end of the month, you know, I wanted to book the 124 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,040 appointment, waited for payday and it's just getting the 125 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,280 availability and finding when I could get time off work. 126 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,560 So it was another week on top of that. 127 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,360 So you're talking a good 3-4 weeks before I could get to the 128 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:02,480 physio and Johnny. Thankfully he'd actually seen my 129 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,880 Instagram and what had happened because there was no way I was 130 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,160 messaging him on his holiday. He messaged me and asked when it 131 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,120 happened that it swell straight away in the 1st 30 minutes and I 132 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,440 was like no idea, I was in shock the shoe was on. 133 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,000 I said I don't think so but it was. 134 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,520 I said it all happened that fast, done his assessment and 135 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,120 he's like, yeah, you've had real, you've got real 136 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,720 instability in the ankle, which explains because it points to 137 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,640 that very first week I actually felt like my foot was coming off 138 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,640 my leg. It felt that unstable. 139 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,280 It was a horrible feeling. So when I've Googled, he says it 140 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,440 was a grade 2 sprain, which I had no idea sprains had grade. 141 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,360 And so I thought a sprain was a sprain and that was it. 142 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,920 But it turns out when I've went into Google and seen that it's 143 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,920 been a partial tear of a ligament and I had fluid around 144 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,400 the tendon. Thankfully the tendon's not 145 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,440 snapped, but it's partial tear of a ligament and fluid around 146 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,840 the tendon and tight and strengthening exercises. 147 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,880 And here we are. At this point, I've ugly cried 148 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,760 over it about two of it. It was the weekend just before I 149 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,040 went to see Johnny. I think I went for a run on the 150 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,640 West Highland Way from Mogai to the road crossing at Mug Dock 151 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,040 and then back again because I thought it would be OK. 152 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,040 But after that run it was really swollen, really sore. 153 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,200 Again, with hindsight not the most sensible thing to do, just 154 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,200 going out for a test or run. I've done another test or run 155 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,000 after that, still obviously not right. 156 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,720 So just been doing strength exercises, trying to keep the 157 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,560 fitness up on the tub. Boat trainer. 158 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,680 And yeah, I've been not the easiest person to live with 159 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:05,440 either. And why would you say that? 160 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,800 Are you normally fine enough? Don't complain at all. 161 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,640 But no, I don't find stuff to complain about. 162 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Mike, I'm female. Come on. 163 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,360 I think what it's been is since changing jobs as well. 164 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,000 I've got quite a lot more responsibility. 165 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,240 I purposefully don't talk about my work on the podcast because I 166 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,960 work in a hospital. It's confidentiality rules. 167 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,520 We have to be very, very careful. 168 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:39,480 But there's obviously scenarios I deal with that are really, 169 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,520 really stressful. And the last few weeks, I don't 170 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,520 know if it's because I've not been able to run the, that's a 171 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,880 way I do deal with stress and clear my head and just get that 172 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,160 energy out, or if the last few weeks and work have just been 173 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,000 especially stressful just because of certain 174 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,400 circumstances. But it's, it's not been easy. 175 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,640 It's I'm, I'm not going to lie and it's just been rubbish. 176 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,840 Well, think about it. You've got the time that you 177 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,760 would have been running to do other stuff, get your life 178 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,600 sorted out, so take it as an advantage that you're being a 179 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,440 forced having a forced break. It is. 180 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:31,040 It's, I do try and think positively like that, but when 181 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,240 you're actually in it, you do try and think and you think, oh, 182 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,840 I've got right, OK, I'll do strengths and I'll do it. 183 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,880 I'll go on the tub boat and I have took opportunities to do 184 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,400 that, but it's not the same. It is not the same as getting 185 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,480 out on the hill. So where you want to be doing? 186 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,160 Yeah, exactly. And you, it is OK. 187 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,360 I think, you know when you are injured and I've actually been 188 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:57,200 comparing my injury to other people's, which has it's a bit 189 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,240 nuts really, because you can't do that. 190 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,840 But I do think I have felt myself. 191 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,800 I've been thinking a lot about Kaylee Webster. 192 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,720 Kaylee, if people don't know, I'm sure she won't make me tell. 193 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,040 Saying this, Kaylee had a stress fracture on her hip and could 194 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,440 literally do nothing for five weeks. 195 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,600 And I do think that's that. And I think stop being so 196 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,600 miserable. You can at least do strength. 197 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,240 He can do the tumble. But Kaylee's been amazing at 198 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,120 being in touch with me as well. And I've said I feel stupid for 199 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,200 feeling the way I feel because all I've done in the grand 200 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,800 scheme of things is roll my ankle. 201 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,400 It's not the end of the world, it's first world problem, but 202 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:43,880 it's it's just shit. So the most boring thing, How do 203 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:51,400 you get back out of it? Well, I, I have had big cries. 204 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:55,720 I went on just before we started recording it says here I ended 205 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,480 up in Balmaha randomly on a walk when I was supposed to be going 206 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,960 to whole Balkans. I think that you just need to 207 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,720 ride the wave. Someone said to me as well, 208 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,400 really good friends when I was speaking to her voice not and 209 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,680 her and really in the pitch she says, well, the good thing is 210 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,920 when you know you're in the dip and you're at the bottom of the 211 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,800 dip, the only way is up. So. 212 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,560 Yeah, it's quite true. I think in the mindset. 213 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,680 Cannot get worse like you're. You're not running. 214 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,440 You're not doing what you want to be doing well. 215 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,040 It can only get better from here. 216 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:39,960 So exactly. So I'm back at Johnny tomorrow. 217 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,280 The ankle does feel a lot better. 218 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:48,040 I was thinking about this and the last week has been the first 219 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,120 week I've actually not woke up in the morning and felt that 220 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,320 I've had an ankle there, which is really good. 221 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,280 I've still got twinges in it, but I've not actually done on it 222 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,720 either, which is what is needed. It just needs to take time. 223 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,160 So Saturday morning, I don't even know what the start time. 224 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,880 It used to be 6:00 in the morning. 225 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,160 Will you be in Mogai? I am taking Stevie McKenna to 226 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,560 the start like so. I'll be picking Stevie up 227 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:21,760 between 4:00 and half past. We'll be heading to the start 228 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,560 and I'm there for the full day, so if you're listening to this 229 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:31,720 on your run, on the Fling, if you get there, get it finished 230 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,080 because I can. Doing it for Nikki. 231 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:42,200 Hashtag doing it for Nikki. No, I'm gutted because it's 232 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,080 something I've booked since last October. 233 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,720 The entries opened in October and that was my I'm definitely 234 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,600 doing Fling, it's my big race. Myself and John sat down, had a 235 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,920 big chat about running in general. 236 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,480 And as couples do, I would imagine when you've got a spouse 237 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,000 that doesn't run the we had that chat of right. 238 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,280 Can we rein this back a little bit because it's not all about 239 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,840 running because it's the training as well that comes with 240 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,160 it. So my events folk, our culture 241 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,400 was already booked at the start of the year, which I've done. 242 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,320 I'd also booked Run the Blades because I wanted to finish the 243 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,760 three and the weekends I wanted to do the half marathon. 244 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,200 So I've done the 10K, I've done the 50K and now I've done the 245 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,360 half marathon and flying and the Altarada Chili Trail, which is 246 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,080 just so much fun. That was 4 actual events that 247 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,360 I'd booked. And then on top of that, West 248 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,440 Highland Way weekend was negotiated. 249 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,640 The we could go to that five weekends out of the whole year. 250 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,120 It's not even really full weekends. 251 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Flying in West Highland Way. I would count as full weekends, 252 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,400 but the other events it's like morning things and things like 253 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,520 that because you've got to make time for a family as well. 254 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,000 Yeah, 5 runnings, just a hobby family is what counts. 255 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,880 So you're you're going to the start line. 256 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,280 Have you told them that you're not starting? 257 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:17,480 I have sent an e-mail to John Duncan and I don't know if I had 258 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,560 emailed the correct address and sent a messenger message to 259 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,600 offer to volunteer, but I've not heard anything back because I 260 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,560 think the final roster is now out. 261 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960 So I would have loved to have volunteered, but I've got a real 262 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,880 thing about collecting Marie's number, so this is part of why 263 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,880 I've kept this quiet. I've known I've not been 264 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,960 downfalling for the last couple of weeks but I've not wanted to 265 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,560 openly see it because I have never DNS an event before and 266 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,760 for flying it's clearly stated in the rules you can't defer and 267 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,640 there's no refunds. There's only refunds I think 268 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,720 even at start of June, before the start of June if you're 269 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,840 pulling out you get a refund at that point but after that you 270 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:06,240 don't get any refunds. So if I've paid £120 and I'm VNS 271 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,319 in an event, the bare minimum I want out of that is my printed 272 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:14,040 number so that I can set something on my wall to say I 273 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,960 had the bottles to sign up for a 50 odd mile event and to spoils 274 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,920 me on for next year because I'm going to be doing it next year. 275 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,440 Yeah. And as much as everybody thinks 276 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:32,080 that he can't defer, he can't get a refund or whatever, I 277 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,480 totally sympathise with the race organisers and there's a lot of 278 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,960 admin. And if they did offer deferrals, 279 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,680 then we think there's about 700 people do the thing. 280 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,880 Yeah, it seems to vary, say 725% of them would probably want to 281 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,360 defer. So that's a lot of money that 282 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:57,120 they've already spent out. Yeah, for sure. 283 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,280 I I can totally sympathize with. And it's clearly stated when you 284 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,520 sign up, you know, if you, if you read the race rules when 285 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,920 before you even sign up, it says quite a few. 286 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:12,960 By the way, you can't defer and stupidity on MAPA was on 287 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,720 naivety. You're actually offered to pay 288 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,520 an extra £10 for insurance or whatever in case you get 289 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,960 injured, which I didn't take because I've never been injured. 290 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,440 Only time that I've seen that is UTNB because it costs back in 291 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:38,080 the day, I was 11 years ago now, it was about 3:50 just for the 292 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,960 race and then you're all your accommodation and I think you 293 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,320 spent like an extra €10 or something like that and it was a 294 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,760 no brainer. You you do it because if you're 295 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,400 going up in the hills and try and hide in rabbit Burrows then 296 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,320 it's your own fault. You know what, that's played on 297 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,120 my mind as well, because I have sat and thought to myself, why 298 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:05,760 did I go up the Pentlands or go on the hills, you know, six 299 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,560 weeks out? But it's not stupid really, 300 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:14,200 because my plan for leading up to that was going to be, I was 301 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,560 to do that. I was doing that run as a social 302 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,480 and naked programmed in an hour and a half of me the next day. 303 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,000 Because the actual social run wasn't a long run really. 304 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,040 It was elevated but she wanted me running on tired or more 305 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,560 tired legs on Sunday for longer, which is fine. 306 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:38,200 The week after that was to be my longest run, which I I hadn't. 307 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,320 I was actually going to plan to run loops around the block. 308 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,520 Insanity loops. And when I said to people about 309 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,000 that, they said that sounds awful. 310 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,320 It's like, but I actually quite like the thought that the house 311 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,240 is there, I can bail at any time and it's more of a mental thing 312 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,400 than anything. It's actually good 'cause I 313 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,720 would have had my stock there, you know, fueling and stuff like 314 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,960 that. And I've had a toilet there if I 315 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,960 needed that, you know, does that comfort. 316 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,320 But there's also the option to bail, which wouldn't have been 317 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,840 an option and it was on roads. Which? 318 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,080 Well, I, I was, I wait to say, yes, you're getting the miles 319 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,800 and legs. Yes, you've got all the home 320 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,240 comforts if you need them, but you need to be training for the 321 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,080 type of terrain that you're going to be racing on. 322 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,800 If you're wrapping yourself in bubble wrap, then you're not 323 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,480 training for that race. So when the race comes, you're 324 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,960 in for a shock. So. 325 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,320 You need to train for it. Well, the week after that was 326 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,400 going to be the final rekey from rower then to invest need them 327 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,480 back. That was the last big section I 328 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,080 had left to cover. So obviously I've not done that 329 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,120 either. So the training has just it's 330 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,040 absolutely collapsed. And when I spoke to Johnny about 331 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:55,000 when I was at my first consultation, we had a really 332 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,200 good chat about it. And he said, well, he says even 333 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,480 says you could start if you wanted, says you could 334 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,480 potentially finish, but at what cost? 335 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,200 They says you've not trained to the level that you want to do 336 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,160 this event at. Your ankle isn't strength strong 337 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,920 enough to do it and you've got potential that you could pick 338 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,160 yourself out for longer. So it's just not worth it. 339 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,560 Yeah, totally agree. The other thing I was going to 340 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:30,920 ask was you were out for a group run in the hills meeting people 341 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,760 socially and you always message me saying I feel sick. 342 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,760 I'm so nervous. Were you nervous for that run? 343 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:46,000 Yeah, it doesn't go away. And follow on question you, 344 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,120 you've not got the fling, but you're still going to the start 345 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,760 line. Are you nervous? 346 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,360 I'm not nervous. I'm really, really excited. 347 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,680 What means if you're actually going tomorrow night to pick up 348 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,840 the race numbers and so that I can tell them on DNS, which I 349 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,280 would always say to people, let them know if you're not, if 350 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,600 you're intending on not starting the race from from as you said, 351 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,040 from a race organiser's point of view, I had an insight to that 352 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:18,200 when a time done time keeping it run Llama and done that sunset 353 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,480 ultra thing. I got an insight and to do what 354 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,240 John and Chris had to do and see just keeping track of all the 355 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,840 runners as a safety thing. It's so important. 356 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,080 So I'll be going to tell them I'm not starting and collect my 357 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,840 number. Steve, he'll be picking up his 358 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,640 number today just so so that we don't have that admin to do on 359 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,080 Saturday morning. And it means that when we get to 360 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,400 the start line, you know you have got the social or how you 361 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,120 doing and all that. Because I think everyone's 362 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,360 intentional. A lot of people's intention is 363 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:50,800 once you start running, that's you. 364 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,040 You're running your own race. It's not a social run. 365 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,520 For some people, it's racing against themselves. 366 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,360 For some people it's pushing themselves. 367 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:02,480 But I think for the most part, unless people have actually 368 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,680 arranged to run with a friend or what have you, most of my 369 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,680 friends that I know that are doing that, that's not the case. 370 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:15,440 So I'll see you when I see you. Which is is fair enough, yeah. 371 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,760 Pay the entry, go and do your thing. 372 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,640 Absolutely. If you happen to run with people 373 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,760 during that, then great, that's. Yeah, just just don't get sucked 374 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,600 in because I've had a chat with Stevie about that, about his 375 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,920 race tactics and he's, he's really excited. 376 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,240 It's actually, that's the main reason I'm actually going to 377 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,320 spectate, because I want to see him finish off his chuckle crown 378 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,520 because I was there volunteering at the Devil. 379 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,240 I've obviously crewed them on West Highland Way for the whole 380 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,400 weekend so I feel quite invested in Stevie's done there. 381 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,800 So although I'm not running and I've got quite a lot of friends 382 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,080 that are and I want to be there to show support and I'm OK now. 383 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,880 I'm not going to lie, 2-3 weeks ago if not I wasn't OK about, I 384 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,040 was far from OK and only you knew. 385 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,240 A couple of close friends knew how I actually felt. 386 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,920 But that's why I have been a good bit quieter on the socials 387 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,640 as well, because I've had nothing really to boast about. 388 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,320 That doesn't normally stop you. Nothing to say but say it 389 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,920 anyway. Who knows, maybe I'm growing up. 390 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,520 I don't believe it. Well, I think we both say good 391 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,960 luck to anybody that is taking on the fling and say hello to 392 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,280 Nikki. I won't be there myself, but 393 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,760 Nikki will represent both of us well. 394 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Depends how well she's been. If she's well behaved, she's 395 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,360 representing the podcast, but if she's not, then yeah, it's just 396 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:57,720 her. Yeah. 397 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,800 Well, we're coming to the end of the year probation period it. 398 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:10,520 Is was it September now And mid-october was a year since 399 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,320 you've joined the podcast? Yeah. 400 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,760 So big things to come, I'm sure. And how do you feel about that? 401 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,240 Happy that you teamed up. I, I think it's been successful. 402 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:29,560 That's yeah, we've had guests on that we wouldn't have without 403 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,200 you. So you've, you've done your job. 404 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,800 Keep. Keep it going. 405 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,000 Oh come on mate, we both know I've coined my own nickname as 406 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:45,120 the booking bitch. I didn't say anything. 407 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,920 You have not said that and I'm saying that while we're being 408 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,240 recorded. Mike has, well, he's not openly 409 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,640 said that, but that has been me that's came up with that so no 410 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:04,240 one get annoyed at Mike. So aside from fling shenanigans, 411 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,320 which will be happening this weekend, and who knows, we may 412 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,960 get a variety of guests out of that weekend, you have just ran 413 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,560 your own race. What have you been doing last 414 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:23,640 weekend? Well, last weekend was my third 415 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:30,080 race of the year. I did great Glenn Short course, 416 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,840 but I was sweeping. So technically it wasn't really 417 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,720 a race I wasn't racing. It was a race I wasn't racing. 418 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,120 See the video. I was doing checkpoint roulette 419 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:45,960 where I was eating what was ever on the table and it's good. 420 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,560 The nice race. I've done the full 1 four times 421 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,000 so recommend it other race. And could also Fiona Rennie, who 422 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,560 got one of the best race photos I think I've seen all year of 423 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,080 your is it is it the Princess chair? 424 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,120 Yeah, last checkpoint you've you've got to sit down and the 425 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,000 Princess chair, you've not seen the poets. 426 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,400 I've done it previous years as well. 427 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320 I think, I think that's a post in the making. 428 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,760 Then you'll need to dig those out because your your picture 429 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,400 from this year was fabulous. Jazz hands and everything. 430 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,440 Exactly. Then we went on to Highlander 431 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:32,280 backyard. My goal was Bill had asked me to 432 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,600 be the team captain because he was busy. 433 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,480 He, he's normally the manager. Well, he, he was the manager, 434 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,640 but he'd, he was busy actually directing the race. 435 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,520 So conflict of interests, he asked me to take over the team 436 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,680 captain thing, which to be honest, it didn't, didn't 437 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,400 involve anything that I wasn't doing anyway. 438 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,720 Motivation, try to get everybody to be a team. 439 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,200 Hopefully they found that helpful because I did I I found 440 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,440 it got me more into the race by encouraging them to be part of 441 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,800 the Team Scotland. Yeah, and I've seen that video 442 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,920 as well where you give it, you gave a really heartfelt 443 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,240 motivational speech to the team at the beginning, and that was 444 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,920 so good. It was lovely. 445 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:27,040 I, I tried as, yeah, I think it did get to a point where it's 446 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,400 like I mind blank, can't talk anymore. 447 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,880 Somebody said it was emotional. Yeah, it was all of the above. 448 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,160 And I, I think that was sort of put the point across. 449 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:47,720 We, we were a team, we worked together and unfortunate 450 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,600 circumstances the race got cancelled. 451 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,720 But Scotland were in the lead at the time and it was decided 452 00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:00,040 between the, the teams, the, the managers of the teams, not the 453 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,720 runners that Scotland would take the title because they had a, a 454 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,240 big enough lead. I think it was. 455 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,280 So my, to me that race was a success because Scotland won and 456 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,040 that's why I was going into it for I wasn't actually interested 457 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,840 in winning the race itself. I was wanting the team to win 458 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,880 and we did. So success. 459 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,120 And can you remember at the end of that how many Team Scotland 460 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,040 was still in it at that point at cancellation? 461 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,000 I think there was, don't quote me on this, but I think there 462 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,320 were seven people, 3 from Scotland, 3 from England and one 463 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:46,800 not on the team and I'm not even sure, possibly Karen something 464 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,280 was the person on their own. Don't quote me on that. 465 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600 Well done for her for being up there. 466 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,680 I'm sure she, I think she was a Scottish runner and I'm sure we 467 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:07,400 will see her near Team Scotland, if not in it in the future. 468 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:14,000 So. Big things to come and then on 469 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,000 to this weekend. Just passed was Hardwick Hall. 470 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:25,480 It was a race. Russell Bock running Sherwood 471 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:31,000 Pines as my previous personal best at Backyard 42 yards. 472 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,720 That was March last year and the same organizing team was putting 473 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:46,280 on a new race in Harvick Hall, and before we went down, well, 474 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,000 it took me 421 miles to drive to get to the start line. 475 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,480 That was going to be my first question, where does Hardwick 476 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,000 Hall in the country? Next in Mansfield, which is 477 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:06,760 South of Sheffield, right? My geography for that area is 478 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,600 rubbish, but Google got me all the way, got me all the way to 479 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:16,000 the grounds. And then Jonathan, one of the 480 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:24,840 assistant race director, Eric's backyard bitch as they were, his 481 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,720 instructions were go, go along here and once you've got this 482 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,240 far, you've gone too far. So you should have turned back. 483 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,920 Like Google managed to get me 420 miles and I got lost in the 484 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:43,480 last mile. Well, feedback for them. 485 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,720 But the worst thing is I drove past him and he just waved. 486 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,000 It was like, well, go back that way. 487 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,040 Yeah, feedback for them is draw a map and then people will know 488 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:01,120 where they've got to go. But it was I, I was in, most 489 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,480 people had tents and I was in the campervan. 490 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,040 So there was a limited number of campervan spaces and you had to 491 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:13,040 book to them in advance. So the, the directions for most 492 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,600 people were going to the normal camping, I was going to the 493 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,520 exception. So it's fair enough that they 494 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:26,480 weren't 100% correct, but it just added to the why am I not 495 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,960 finding the space? I end up in the normal visitors 496 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,320 to Harvard calls car park and the instruction says, yeah, 497 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,240 don't, don't go there, you've gone too far. 498 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,200 But I I got to meet Eric and Jonathan's mum and dad. 499 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,600 They they pointed me in the right direction, so I was and 500 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360 they laughed at the instructions as well. 501 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,880 Well trust mom and dads effects things as. 502 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,920 They were very helpful throughout the whole day. 503 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,560 I was talking to their dad and he was saying, oh, I just walk 504 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,040 about and talk to people, make it look like I'm busy. 505 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,680 So that's that's all he needs to do. 506 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,480 He's keeping people happy. Is was his job as far as I was 507 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,200 concerned and he did that a excellent job. 508 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,320 And how close did you get to the starting corral? 509 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:26,360 We were probably 30 to 40 meters away from the starting corral 510 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,520 because the camper vans were the, the tents were on basically 511 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,600 on the start line. If you were in a tent, you could 512 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,120 be on the start line and the camper vans were behind all the 513 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,200 tents. Yeah, we, I I did have a a clear 514 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:48,440 path to the Corel from my van, but there were still thirtyish 515 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,520 meters to go. And could you see the start line 516 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,360 from the van? I couldn't see the start line, 517 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,920 but I could see the Corel. Yeah. 518 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,920 So the start area I could see. Yeah. 519 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,320 Because having not done a backyard event myself, I would 520 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,159 imagine that like from going up to Highlander and seeing you 521 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,960 guys, it's quite a key part and how close you do get to it, 522 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,400 doesn't it? And I would imagine that's so 523 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,280 much more important in the latter stages when you're trying 524 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,440 to get that precious time of snoozing and then what you get 525 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,360 and every second counts, literally. 526 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,000 Yeah, well, there was a bit of a story, I'll get on to that in a 527 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,760 minute about the start line. Yeah, The actual race itself 528 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:44,719 started at 10:00 in the morning. We had been warned in advance 529 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:50,600 that Storm Amy was coming and that could have cancelled the 530 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,040 race. We didn't know weather Nowadays 531 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,680 you don't know if the wind is coming, it's forecast. 532 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:05,400 But you, you just don't. Unless it's how far in advance 533 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,520 did you guys get? Was it when you got to the event 534 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,920 that that was announced or did they send you all the emails in 535 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,960 the day before or something? I think they put something on 536 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,760 Facebook or Instagram saying just just be careful it's or be 537 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,800 mindful, not careful because there's nothing you could have 538 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:30,480 done about it, that it's out with their control and 100% they 539 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,520 can't control the weather. Although I didn't see, I didn't 540 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,600 see Eric doing any dances to the weather gods. 541 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,880 He could have done that. I don't think it would make any 542 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,360 difference, but you never know. He didn't do it and so it's just 543 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,080 one. Of these, it's it's an 544 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,040 uncontrollable, I mean, you can, you can prepare for bad weather, 545 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,200 but when it's something like a storm and winds, it's got to be 546 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,000 safety first for everyone. For back, yeah. 547 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,160 For backyards, I I try and think about the controllables, the 548 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,120 uncontrollables. And although the weather is 549 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,680 uncontrollable, you can't prepare for it. 550 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,040 It was going to be wet, Take waterproofs for you. 551 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,760 It was going to be windy. I had a tent in van that I could 552 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,520 have put up, but because it was forecast to be windy, I didn't 553 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,280 put the tent up. I could have had that on the 554 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,640 start line. I was willing to take the. 555 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,960 Extra time. The risk, the extra time, the 556 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,720 comfort of the van rather than the the tent. 557 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,600 And you see, you talk about the comfort of the van and, you 558 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,120 know, rather not having a tent. You had a crew this time, didn't 559 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,680 you? I did previously like that 560 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,600 Highlander we had the the Scotland crew, Lorna and Marie 561 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,640 who the crew for me before there excellent no qualms whatsoever 562 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640 apart from this deal, my pistachio butter, but they know 563 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:09,360 about that. No, it's couldn't complain about 564 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,400 them whatsoever. This time. 565 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:18,240 I had previous guests, Rebecca Horman and as far as I was 566 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:22,880 concerned, she she knows what she's doing. 567 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:31,880 She's PB36 I think it is won the West Highland way this year and 568 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,760 followed. I wouldn't say did what I told 569 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,920 her to do to con. My advice was she's won a 570 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040 Whitaker backyard earlier on this year. 571 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,040 She knows what she did. I've her resume as a crew 572 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,720 person. Some people say that a runner 573 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,600 might not make the the best crew you need to know about crewing. 574 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:09,120 But as far as I'm concerned, she knows or when I'm crewing, I 575 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,360 crew like I want to be treated. And I think that's the same 576 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,320 attitude that she had as well. She treated, she treated me how 577 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:24,120 she wanted to be crude. So yeah, thank you, Rebecca. 578 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:30,040 It was an experience that I would you're, you're signed up 579 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,480 again, you're not getting the choice. 580 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,520 So. I think, I think that's 581 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,440 important though the people say don't have an honour as crew. 582 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,320 I do disagree with that as well because I think there needs to 583 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,520 be an element of understanding, like you say, of what you want 584 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,160 and also to know, like what you're going through. 585 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,000 I've heard in a podcast or two before, don't have your spouse's 586 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,440 crew. And because the they, they're so 587 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,000 invested in you and so care and that if they see you suffering 588 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,720 or if they see you being sick, the first thing you want to do 589 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,720 is to protect them. Oh no, come on, you know, let's 590 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,240 get you wrapped up. Whereas you know your crew will 591 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,320 say, right, you've been sick. Brilliant. 592 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,200 Out you go again. We'll deal with it on the next 593 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,760 one. I think it can go both ways. 594 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,440 You can have crew that are your spouse. 595 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,840 They might runners. Look at the world backyard 596 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,520 champion Phil Gore. He usually has his wife as the 597 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,160 crew, but she knows what it means to him, so she knows what 598 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,120 to put it through. She knows that if she was too 599 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,440 too loving, too easy on him, he wouldn't like it afterwards. 600 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,240 So as. You're. 601 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,160 Saying. Either way, but maybe next thing 602 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,040 the crew for the crew I'll I'll crew Rebecca while she crews. 603 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,840 But the the advantage we're having the van was that between 604 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,520 the loops, she was able to rest in the van and be there for me 605 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,600 when I needed it. And I I didn't feel that I 606 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,520 needed it but. That was because she, she did 607 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,800 everything that she needed to do. 608 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,320 There wasn't anything that was like, oh, why haven't you got 609 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,680 this ready? And there was sometimes it's 610 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,120 like, oh, I, I didn't tell you in advance. 611 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,640 I needed this and she would go and get it. 612 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,880 So I was. Yeah, that's what I was going to 613 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,840 ask. Did you take your phone out on a 614 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,680 loop? Because I know those you can 615 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,440 have the best laid plans in the world, but when you're actually 616 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,640 out on the event, you think actually, I don't want that 617 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,760 thing that I'd wrote down. I actually fancy a Pot Noodle 618 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,760 instead on the slip. So did you text her or did you 619 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,800 just tell her when you were back at CAB? 620 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,320 Actually, for the next one, I fancy this. 621 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,920 I, I normally, I normally take my phone with me because I'm 622 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,520 listening to music this race and the island early in the year, I 623 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,680 didn't listen to music at all. That as partly because later on 624 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,840 in the race, I, I want it there if I want to use it. 625 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:22,440 It's a tool. But for the first 11 yards, I 626 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,160 didn't have my phone on me. And the reason why I know that 627 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:32,560 was that exact time because on yard 11, I sort of teamed up 628 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:38,480 with Victoria Owen's previous guest and running along, she had 629 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:46,960 a strategy of she would walk a yard and half walk, run a yard 630 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,800 and then run a yard. But she'd previously walked a 631 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,720 yard and knew exactly her timings, knew exactly she would 632 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:59,040 get in with 5657 minutes and she knew she could do it that early 633 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,200 on in the race. 1011 hours is still early in terms of 634 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:11,400 backyard, so she had full confidence that she could do 635 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,240 that yard in that time. And I put my confidence in her 636 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,560 and we'd go back in 57 minutes. The only problem was that before 637 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,200 the yard, I hadn't I didn't even know. 638 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,360 So it wasn't that I didn't tell Rebecca that I was doing a 639 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,960 walking yard. I didn't know until I started 640 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,000 running with Victoria. And right from the start I was 641 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,280 like, all right, I'll just chat to you. 642 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,600 I got to probably mile three out of four and thought I should 643 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:49,160 probably tell Rebecca that I'm I'm fine, I'm going to be late. 644 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,000 But I didn't have my phone on me, so I couldn't tell her. 645 00:42:53,600 --> 00:43:00,440 And when I got into this, the back to the start, 57 minutes 646 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:09,040 had passed and I had a the food for the the before the next lap 647 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,440 ready. Rebecca had brought it to the 648 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,720 start line because she was worried. 649 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,240 She was, I think she's messaging yourself. 650 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,640 She was going to the race director, who she knows 651 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,080 personally and saying what's happened, going to send an 652 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:25,880 ambulance out. He's. 653 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,680 There was there was that panic because she messaged me and I 654 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,040 think was at about 9 O clock at night or something. 655 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,480 It was between half 8:00 and 9:00. 656 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:40,160 And she messaged and she says Mike's not back from his look 657 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,480 yet. And I looked at the time and I'm 658 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,960 like, baby is just taking it. She's like, no, this is too 659 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,720 long. And I went back on to timing 660 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:52,000 Monkey and looked at your laps and I was like, ha, OK. 661 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,840 And then I started to panic and facing up and down my living 662 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,800 room, like constantly refreshing. 663 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,240 This time when I was screaming at my phone, come on, mate, 664 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,240 because she's messaged me. And I said, has he not got his 665 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,520 phone on him? And she said yes, because she 666 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,840 thought you did and you hadn't messaged her back. 667 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,720 So there was that panic. But as you say, and she's when 668 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,880 you left on the next one, she says, yeah, he's fine. 669 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,000 He was happier than he's been the whole event. 670 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,200 I was like, yeah, I would kill him. 671 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,040 But I think it was all good. As you say, if you didn't know 672 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,440 at the start, do you know yourself? 673 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,680 You know when you're saying you're out on that lip and 674 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,880 you're at male feet or I should have said something? 675 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,680 Yeah, it's it's just one of these things. 676 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,120 So you knew if you were going to do that again, but you kept 677 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,160 weird head torches at that point. 678 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,000 Then what time did the head torch go on? 679 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:50,240 Head torch was the 8:00 yard, but the the at the end of that 680 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:57,280 walking yard I I had been doing ignore the first yard I'd been 681 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,760 doing 39 minute yards felt comfortable. 682 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:06,760 It was a pretty flat course. Some of it was the work bit was 683 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,160 completely flat grass field, but it had cattle previously on it 684 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,640 so it was quite rutted. Yeah. 685 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,320 So it was. It was hard to run on it. 686 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:23,960 It could have been easier, but 39 minute yards, they were easy. 687 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,200 It felt comfortable. So that that was kind of why 39 688 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,080 minutes going up to 57 minutes, That was why she she panicked. 689 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,480 But I, I yeah, I had the same food at the end of it. 690 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,640 And I thought, all right, I'll just down it and I can, I just 691 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:47,160 took it in really quickly. But it was probably too quick 692 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,640 because for the whole of the next lap and possibly even the 693 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,280 lap after that, I was getting, it felt like I had a stitch like 694 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,400 heartburns are almost. I didn't feel like I was going 695 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:04,520 to be sick because I didn't eat in the food too quickly. 696 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,480 What? Did you have? 697 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:13,600 I think it was quite a bit, but I had it like quite Milky so 698 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,280 that I could just drink it rather than eat it. 699 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:24,520 But after the next lap I I'd been prepared and I had antacids 700 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,360 in my kit box, so I had one of them and they instantly sorted 701 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,760 it out. So again, preparation is key. 702 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,200 And you get to yard 11 yard 12. The head torch is on from 8 O 703 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,040 clock, so that's what yard 10 you. 704 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,760 You get to know the course pretty well by that point. 705 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,640 So were you quite happy going into the night time? 706 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,320 Look, you've got the muscle memory of the course. 707 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,560 I would have been the the course it was fantastic course there 708 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,880 was it was great. Apart from the the bit that you 709 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,600 weren't expecting the rutted field, all the rest of the 710 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:11,880 course was there was perfect. But the Rasbach had planned for 711 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,320 a different course for a night time loop. 712 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,520 That was in the sense but cutting out what they had 713 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:27,000 thought to be a bit there was had tree roots in it and you had 714 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,360 to think about it more. So they took that section out 715 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,800 and added it in and out and back on tarmac. 716 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:40,680 And I told Eric so that I think that that was a wrong idea. 717 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,480 There was there was nothing wrong with the original loop. 718 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,680 If you look at the old Suffolk course, no night loop. 719 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,560 The new Suffolk course, no night loop. 720 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,760 Sherwood Pines, no night loop. You get big. 721 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,720 Yeah. Highlander. 722 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,560 Well, the, the three that I mentioned, they've all got big 723 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:10,120 yards. My PB, the Scottish record is at 724 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,840 Sherwood Pines by a Scottish person, but in England, the 725 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,280 British records are old in New Suffolk. 726 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:23,320 That's why I mentioned them. They've all got big yardage and 727 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:29,480 they don't have night loops. So and Sherwood Pines, it had 728 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,400 bits that were tree roots and you didn't need the night night 729 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,400 root. Yeah. 730 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:42,400 So I, I actually found it annoying that I'd had like I'd 731 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,280 remembered the course and remembered every turning. 732 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,680 And then although they were saying take that thought process 733 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,720 away of having to think about tree roots. 734 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,920 Well, now you've added in a thought process of having to 735 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,480 learn a new course. Yeah. 736 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,760 So the tree roots, yeah, the trade rates were insignificant 737 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,440 compared to having to learn a new course. 738 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,920 Is that the first backyard you've done where they've 739 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,360 changed the course at night, then it? 740 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,840 Is it's quite common, Biggs, the, the main backyard in 741 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,560 America, they, they do it, but they've got a reason to do it 742 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,240 because they, it is a technical day loop. 743 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,800 And so there's justification for it. 744 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,680 I don't feel that there was justification for it in this. 745 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,360 And I think Eric, the race director is going to take that 746 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,360 feedback. It wasn't just me. 747 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:39,600 It's not just my feedback. There's a lot of people that I 748 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,360 was talking to out on course and that. 749 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,760 Was my next question was, was the general consensus that that 750 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,160 wasn't necessary? I know you can't speak for other 751 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,080 runners, but if you were in conversation, did they agree 752 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,000 with you? Yeah. 753 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,560 And they told Eric the the same thing. 754 00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,480 So I think everybody agreed that there was, it wasn't necessary. 755 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,840 So the good thing for the good thing for Eric and Jonathan is 756 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,320 it's something that they've tried. 757 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,400 Yeah, they they didn't know that was The thing is like they they 758 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,840 had no previous, but because they've not done a night and day 759 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,680 loop, they thought other people do it. 760 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,160 It's a good idea. Yeah. 761 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,040 They they've tried it and I don't think they would do it 762 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,800 again. So good. 763 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,920 It's good to know that they are taking feedback on board, so 764 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,840 it's worth telling them. And I think for Russell Bock as 765 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,080 a company in general, I think they are amazing at that. 766 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,880 I've not actually done any of their events yet, but they're 767 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,520 definitely on my radar even more for the point of like, see how 768 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,400 they do that donation of the free entry that you can pay for. 769 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,600 I mean, that is just such a good spirit for the community that 770 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,120 you can do that, you know, just little things like that. 771 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:59,040 And they they're getting that online platforms so well set up 772 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,240 now for people that can't go down like myself, you have got 773 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,360 twitch that you can watch the start. 774 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,320 And don't get me wrong, it's the backyard. 775 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,320 There's not much watching to be hard apart from 5:00 to, you 776 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,960 know, a minute past on the old clock, but it's there. 777 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,560 Yeah, they said that there was cameras out on course and I 778 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,720 think if the weather had been nicer there might have been, but 779 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,240 I didn't see any. The only cameras I saw were 780 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,120 within like 2 minutes of the start line. 781 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,000 So the way that you keep on running and the weather is 782 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:40,720 obviously getting kept an eye on what happened with that as the 783 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:47,320 race progressed. Well, about 24 hours, maybe a 784 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,200 little bit for that. The National Trust who owned the 785 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:57,360 land had said that they've got a policy, and I believe it's same 786 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,760 policy for all their sites throughout the UK. 787 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,840 If there's forecasted wind for more than 45 mile an hour, they 788 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,680 will. Everybody has to get off site. 789 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,080 And I totally agree with it because there were so many 790 00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:18,800 trees, we had a lot of tree cover and it wouldn't have taken 791 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,560 much for a branch to pull down on a runner. 792 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,440 And imagine the outcry from that if someone, if they hadn't done 793 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,720 anything about it, then there would have been serious, oh, why 794 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,320 were you not taking the safety of runners? 795 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,440 They did. They did, Eric and even the 796 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,000 National Trust did exactly what they need to do. 797 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,840 There was nobody that as a runner, there's nobody that we 798 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,800 could have blamed for this happening apart from everybody 799 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,040 that doesn't look after the environment. 800 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,800 This is climate change. This is I try and stay away from 801 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,240 like political stuff like that During the podcast. 802 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,800 I can easily tell people that they are idiots for supporting 803 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,240 Trump, but not during the podcast. 804 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,520 But environmental stuff. It's it's everybody's problem 805 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,240 and it's there. So don't be a Dick. 806 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,400 So that's all I'm going to say. So how much so they were told 807 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,880 the the forecast was 445 that was going to happen. 808 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,720 How much longer then did you guys get told was it, was it 809 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,760 like right this is your last look and you are done? 810 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,200 Well, no. They kept on saying, oh, we're 811 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,080 going to make a decision, We're going to make a decision. 812 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,280 We're going to make a decision. We all knew that it was going to 813 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,400 be about 5:00 in the morning, that that was when the wind was 814 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,480 forecast. But were they going to say, OK, 815 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,560 race is cancelled in five hours, but the wind is not going to be 816 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,360 here until 10 hours? I honestly thought it was going 817 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,920 to be, I think say 10:00 in the morning, we were going to get to 818 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,560 run until 5:00 because then that's when the site normally 819 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,240 closes and the wind wasn't forecast until 3/4 in the 820 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,720 morning at that point. So that would have given them 821 00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:15,520 time to get everybody off site. They would have needed security 822 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,200 to shut down the site. So that, that was what I was 823 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,000 expecting for them to say. You've got, you'd be, you'd be 824 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:27,840 allowed to run 30 ish hours. And then after that we're, we're 825 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,280 stopping the race. But they, they were never making 826 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,120 the decision, never making. I wasn't until about, I think it 827 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,320 was two or three in the afternoon that they said, OK, 828 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:45,320 you've got, yeah, it must have been three and then you've got 829 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:53,840 11 hours to the race is going to be done. 830 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,800 If you're not finished by then the race is cancelled. 831 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,280 Yeah. So. 832 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,280 What was the feeling amongst you guys at that point? 833 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,400 The there was, I went into the race wanting APB. 834 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:18,200 My PB is 42 and that would have only allowed me to go to 40. 835 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,760 So it was what's the point? There isn't any point in doing 836 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,280 it. I wasn't there to win, I was 837 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,040 there to get PB. So as far as I was concerned, I 838 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,640 was racing against myself and encouraging the other runners. 839 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,760 We got to the point, but I was getting near sort of PB 840 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:40,040 territory. I would have been getting them 841 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:47,040 to come back out, do another lap because I want, I want them to 842 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,320 continue so that I can continue. Yeah. 843 00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,560 Exactly. It got to the point where 844 00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:03,240 myself, Richard Thompson and Lizzie Gatherer, we all had PBS 845 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:14,640 around or above the 40 ish 50. I think per Lizzie we we 846 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,920 couldn't get PBS no. So it was What's the point in 847 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,480 continuing? Exactly. 848 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,320 There's no point in like keeping on going for, you know, another 849 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,840 10 hours like you say. And then, as you say, it's just 850 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,400 pointless. Yeah, so. 851 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:39,800 I've seen, yeah, I fully like even now, it was the right 852 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,240 decision to make. What was the point in me pushing 853 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:48,600 myself on damaging myself? I can now go and do a race 854 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,000 quicker. I've seen comments online who 855 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,840 they were directed at. I'm not going to mention saying 856 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:02,560 that we use the excuse of having to finish early or being able to 857 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,280 finish early, using that cut off as an excuse. 858 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,440 It wasn't an excuse. There was no reason to do it. 859 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,400 Fully support the decision that I made. 860 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,840 And I think we all made a decision independently. 861 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,240 We made the same decision and it was the right decision. 862 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,280 Well done to the other two for making the same decision. 863 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,560 Is the right? It's a totally smart decision 864 00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,680 because even if it was an excuse or not, what does it matter? 865 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,520 You could all three of you guys could not get APB on top of what 866 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,080 you have got. So what it does seem senseless, 867 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,520 but there were people that did go back out onto the course, 868 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,360 weren't there? And there was two people that 869 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,080 got to the end of the event, weren't there Or did they finish 870 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,000 a bit earlier? They. 871 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,560 Didn't quite get to the end. There was, I'm going to say four 872 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,560 people that continued when we stopped. 873 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:09,040 I can't remember most of them. The furthest female. 874 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,840 She stopped I think two or three yards after us. 875 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,320 I think if Lizzie had continued they would have been battling 876 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,160 out and she might have gone longer. 877 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,720 The the argument that Lazarus Lake does is if you're, if you 878 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,760 know that you're going to get a prize for the first female, then 879 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,320 you're going to quit earlier. Did she do that? 880 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,440 I've I've no idea. I'm not not going to comment on 881 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,320 it because I've no idea whether she did that or not. 882 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:39,440 Could she have continued? No idea, but it's something for 883 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:47,040 them to think about. I know that Bill Marshall and 884 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,880 Nicholas Coots, I don't know if that's how you pronounce his 885 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:58,400 name. They continued and Nick stopped 886 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:05,160 at 38 yards and Phil continued to 39 yards and he won the race. 887 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:12,840 Yeah, I I'll say to him and say now, if the three of us 888 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,920 continued, I think we would have got to the deadline and we would 889 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:21,480 have still been going. So yeah, well done to him for 890 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,320 winning. So it's it's what happens. 891 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,480 We we chose to stop so we didn't win. 892 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,880 If I continued and tried to win, then I think the race would have 893 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,880 still been going. So it's everybody's a winner. 894 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,360 And do we know if that was a PB for those two? 895 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,160 It was, yeah, I'm. I'm. 896 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,880 Pretty pretty sure it was. So yeah. 897 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,120 I say, I think that's as as you say, I think for the four that 898 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,360 went back out after you guys had DNF, if that's APB for them or 899 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,520 even like way beyond, I think the mindset I would like to take 900 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,280 if it was me would be how far can I go now? 901 01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,440 Yeah, like how? That that was the mindset that I 902 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,480 was then how far can I go? But I couldn't go more than 40 903 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,120 so. So that's no point. 904 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:19,240 So how did you feel Yard 29? Was it that you stopped 905 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,880 Highlander? How was it 27? 906 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:27,800 2026 to 27 I and. What was an issue with your 907 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,080 foot, was it not? No, my calf. 908 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,240 My my right calf. I talked to the medic afterwards 909 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,800 and he suspected I'd torn a muscle in my calf and I went to 910 01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,160 the physio about two or three days later and he confirmed it. 911 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,440 There's no no doubt that is the Soleus muscle. 912 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:57,880 I'd torn something and normally after 100 Miller or more I'll 913 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:03,240 take a week off from it. There's not not going to benefit 914 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:09,280 me as I took that week off and went for an I think it was 915 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,440 actually 8 days that I took off and everything was fine. 916 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,080 Right, so. That, that eight days it healed 917 01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,560 itself there. There was maybe slight twinges 918 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,320 and stuff, but I knew to take it easy and it healed itself. 919 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:36,080 I, I went for a run, a long run four weeks after that, which is 920 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,120 56 miles and I felt fine for the whole lot. 921 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,600 And actually back in October last year, the World Team 922 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:54,360 champs, I hurt my Achilles and until about a month before this 923 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:59,720 race, I was still hurting. And even now it's, and I mean I 924 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,280 was hurting every single day. My Achilles was I, I kind of 925 01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,360 learnt to manage it and during this race it wasn't so at all. 926 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,960 The, the, I'll say it, not so at all. 927 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,680 I think there was one point that was starting to get sore and I 928 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:23,760 put a KT tape and extra. I've got a padded foam thing 929 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,600 that I put on my heel, so a KT tape that on never felt it 930 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:33,760 again. So I'm happy that between the 931 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:41,680 the calf injury and the Achilles last year, I think the World 932 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,200 Team champs, it was my Achilles that had actually gone. 933 01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,720 But I felt it in my right quad. But I was compensating. 934 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,960 And during this race, none of that was a problem. 935 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,240 After 29 hours, I was like, yeah, I'm a little bit sore, but 936 01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,200 I was 29 hours then you would be. 937 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,800 I honestly felt like I could have continued for the same 938 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:08,880 amount again so. And you asked me earlier how, 939 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,280 how I would like, how do I get out of like pets of, you know, 940 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,840 despair or what have you, like, because I'm only into week 5 of 941 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,200 mine. Like that's quite a significant 942 01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,640 injury for you with the Achilles. 943 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,240 And you're saying that's a long time to be hurting for. 944 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,520 How do you deal with that? I don't know. 945 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,880 I I was worried. I was, I, I didn't think I'd be. 946 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,640 I'm surprised that I was even starting Highlander. 947 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:42,160 It was only because I think the team did it for me. 948 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:47,560 Being part of the team and being the team captain, that was I 949 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:53,640 probably, maybe not entirely sure because it didn't happen. 950 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,360 I if I wasn't in the team and I probably wouldn't have started 951 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:03,000 that race, but I'm glad I did. I'll always stay. 952 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,480 They don't necessarily take my advice, but the best thing that 953 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,160 I can do for a running injury is go for a long run and it seems 954 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,720 to get better afterwards. So if that works for you, if 955 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,320 that's fair enough. So so after this I can go up the 956 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,120 river then and do my own first nature. 957 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,480 I don't know why you're not doing the thing so. 958 01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,280 Don't tempt me. I've not pulled the block. 959 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,760 I've not told them yet. I'm not DNS, no, as I say with 960 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,480 the e-mail and that has sent and told them I'm not, but just for 961 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,080 me, as you say, everybody works differently, don't they? 962 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,960 Yeah. And it's, you know, many, many a 963 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,160 physio would be screaming at this podcast saying, no, don't 964 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,440 do that. That's stupid. 965 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:54,040 Well, the physio that I've talked to, Alvin Spear in 966 01:04:54,040 --> 01:05:00,240 Aberdeen, he, he's seen me a few times and he knows he's always 967 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,520 surprised that in, in his, his words, how quick I recover. 968 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:12,560 And it's just through years and years of build up. 969 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,840 You, you were saying earlier about doing your laps rounds 970 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:21,080 that round the streets, but I've been out in the hills, I've 971 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,320 built it up and my body has learnt to deal with that. 972 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,200 And I honestly think that's what's what makes me able to 973 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,480 recover like I do. But on top of that as well, you 974 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,200 do strength as well, don't you? You do cross train. 975 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:42,360 I, I, I haven't been recently since, since this of October 976 01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,320 injury, I've I've been doing a bit of cross training, but 977 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:51,080 compared to the year before that or the years before that, I've 978 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:55,800 been cutting it down, right. That's the deal with the injury. 979 01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,120 Would they get better? I don't know. 980 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:06,320 So it's I, I would do it again, as in I would do the I will do 981 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:10,280 the cross training again. It's not I I found it 982 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,440 beneficial. I haven't been recently, but 983 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,720 yeah, I should have been. It's just because I'm lazy, so. 984 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,320 I don't think you are lazy. You're a parent and you work 985 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,000 full time. And as we said earlier on, it's 986 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,800 a hobby for us. We're not paying athletes. 987 01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,640 This is just, and I think it is really easy to forget that. 988 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,840 Like I've been really, really upset that I'm hot, doing fine, 989 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:40,400 but at the same time, my income doesn't rely on that. 990 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,680 Like if you know, the injury, I'm fortunate enough that I 991 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,680 could even still go to work. Should I have went to work on 992 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,200 like the week after I've done it? 993 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,920 Probably not actually to let it properly recover, but I did 994 01:06:55,240 --> 01:07:01,440 because it's it's my job, you know, I don't, I don't like 995 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,600 being off sick. So but yeah, it's all about 996 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,760 enjoying it really, isn't it? And then when we do get injured, 997 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,680 it's just managing that. So. 998 01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:19,680 Yeah, well, a few other points. I was going to say lap, yard, 999 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,520 lap, whatever you want to call. It doesn't bother me. 1000 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:33,280 It's yard 26. So the the in backyards they 1001 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,520 blow the whistle. 3 * 3 minutes to go, 2 * 2 minutes to go. 1002 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:43,440 Once, one minute to go. And some races will say, all 1003 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,720 right, you've got 20 seconds to go, let's go. 1004 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,520 Just so that everybody knows it's it's not in the rules. 1005 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,800 You don't need to say that some, some races are kind to their 1006 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,440 runners as they were. So you are 26. 1007 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:06,280 I don't know. Me and Rebecca can't remember 1008 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:11,320 hearing the third whistle and talking to somebody else. 1009 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,160 They, they said, no, it wasn't blown. 1010 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:19,520 But every yard I, when I stopped, I'd put on my 1011 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,000 windbreaker. Well, I would put on my dry rope 1012 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,279 and then when I was ready to go in the corral, I'd take off the 1013 01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:30,680 dry rope, put on the windbreaker at the three minute whistle and 1014 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,000 go in the corral was probably a minute to go. 1015 01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:36,960 Yeah. We can't remember hearing the 1016 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:43,640 the three minute whistle or the two-minute whistle or the one 1017 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:48,160 minute whistle. All the way hard was Eric saying 1018 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:54,080 OK, 20 seconds to go. And remember earlier I said that 1019 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,080 we were about 30 to 40 meters away. 1020 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:04,840 I've looked on Garmin and I, I made it to the corral with one 1021 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,800 second to go. I jumped as in like long jumped 1022 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:16,800 into the corral one second to spare and I looked on Garmin and 1023 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:24,600 I'd done a 518 minute mile pace, that's about about 310 kilometer 1024 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:32,279 for for 15 seconds. Garmin says that I was at a pace 1025 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:39,279 after 26 yards. That was the probably the 1026 01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:40,720 hardest part of the whole race, but. 1027 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,120 I would say that's a highlight because Rebecca said she she 1028 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,600 when you had went off, as you said earlier on, we were in 1029 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,439 contact, you know, pretty regularly and she messaged. 1030 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,640 We said, Oh yeah, we nearly missed, nearly missed that loop. 1031 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,920 I was like, how did you fall asleep? 1032 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,080 Which is the natural response because you're that long into 1033 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,400 it. I'm like, did you just both dose 1034 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,360 was off? She says. 1035 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,000 No, we were just talking. Yeah, but the weird thing is I 1036 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:15,680 put on, I put on my windbreaker at 3 minutes to go every lap. 1037 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,680 When I got into the corral, my jacket was on. 1038 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,360 Yeah, so. Did I hear it? 1039 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:23,960 And we've forgotten that we heard it. 1040 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,200 I think you must have done because I said to Rebecca that I 1041 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,360 was like, well, what to do is set alarms on your phone now if 1042 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,400 you're tired, if you're whatever, She went. 1043 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,880 No, they just need to blow the whistle louder. 1044 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,320 Well, normally if I don't have crew, I'll have an alarm with 1045 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,000 three minutes to go just to make sure. 1046 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,040 If I don't hear that, I've got no option but hear my alarm 1047 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,680 because I have to physically turn it off. 1048 01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,000 Yeah. And lesson learned. 1049 01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,400 Set the alarm because the worst thing you have to do is turn it 1050 01:10:55,400 --> 01:11:00,560 off. So is is that preparation is 1051 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:01,840 key. Yeah. 1052 01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:09,240 The the other preparation is my wife was at home. 1053 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,720 She she wasn't there on the day because Flora had school, so 1054 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,920 Dora had they had things to do. Running wasn't there. 1055 01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:26,320 They weren't with me so I told her and I've told her for 1056 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,760 previous races. I don't know, I think I actually 1057 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,000 told her this time. But she'd remembered from 1058 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,960 previous races never tell me negative things while I'm 1059 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:40,840 running or while I'm racing. And she got a puncture and had 1060 01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:48,080 to go and replace the the tyre while I was busy racing. 1061 01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:52,280 But she knew, don't tell me there was nothing that I could 1062 01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,200 have done about it because I was 421 miles away. 1063 01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:01,080 Exactly what what was what would have been the benefit of her 1064 01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,520 telling me, yeah, go and deal with it because there's nothing 1065 01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,080 I can do. So, but is that sort of, I 1066 01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,480 didn't need the negative sort of her telling me that negative 1067 01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,960 thing. So I think that's the 1068 01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,880 preparation. Just tell your it's not just 1069 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,160 your crew. If, if there's anything goes 1070 01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,080 wrong in the background and the crew deals with it, great, 1071 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,840 they've dealt with it. You don't need to know about it. 1072 01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:27,080 Yeah. Exactly. 1073 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:33,640 So overall, aside from you having to DNF because of weather 1074 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,480 conditions and those excuses that the three of you made just 1075 01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:41,160 to finish early, it was a positive experience. 1076 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:49,440 It, it was as I said, I got the 29 hours or 29 yards or laps or 1077 01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:52,800 whatever you want to call it, and I felt fine. 1078 01:12:53,120 --> 01:13:00,440 So much so that I went to a hotel, which is another story 1079 01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:06,040 I'll tell you about when I got up in the morning, I knew that I 1080 01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,480 there was a shower there to use and I didn't have to check out 1081 01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:11,480 until 12:00. So I went for a run. 1082 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,720 Yeah. I went for seven miles around 1083 01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,520 Sheffield. It wasn't fast, it was like 11 1084 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:23,440 minute miles but at backyard pace and it felt fine. 1085 01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,160 It's not that I needed to, I wanted to. 1086 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:32,120 So I normally, as I said earlier, I'd take a week off but 1087 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,440 I didn't feel and needed to rest. 1088 01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,720 I didn't feel I needed to run, but I wanted to, so I. 1089 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,120 Think that's a bonus as well. That's something a bit different 1090 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:46,120 for you after running. So in total how many miles did 1091 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:49,040 you run in the end of? I know you got 29 yards but for 1092 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,080 those that aren't good at maths like myself I'll ask how. 1093 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,120 How far did you get? About 121. 1094 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:59,720 That's amazing. So and and then it must have 1095 01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:05,440 been 12 hours later. I did a 7 hour run. 1096 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,040 Yeah. So yeah, the, the thing that I 1097 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:16,160 couldn't prepare for was after the race, I, we didn't have to 1098 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:21,440 be off the site for 11 hours. So I got an hour's sleep in the 1099 01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,960 back of the van. Rebecca went home. 1100 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,400 She was only about a couple hours away. 1101 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,760 So she went home. I got to sleep in the back of 1102 01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:35,200 the van. And then when I got up, I went 1103 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,480 and asked Eric, do you know any services like motorway service 1104 01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:40,920 stations? They've got showers and they 1105 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,520 couldn't think of any. Where I was looking on Google, I 1106 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:49,200 couldn't think of any. So I went on Travelodge and just 1107 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:56,400 there was a Travelodge not that far away for 31 lbs bargain. 1108 01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,400 I'm doing that on you go. Yeah, absolutely. 1109 01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:02,800 When you've got a proper bed to sleep in as well. 1110 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,680 Got to the Travelodge and talked to the guy on the reception who, 1111 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,240 he wasn't a runner, but he was very interested in the race. 1112 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,840 Jeremy, his name was because it said on the reception and I was 1113 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,000 so tired. I even, how did I even remember 1114 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,000 that? He was talking about what do you 1115 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,400 eat during the low GI foods and all this kind of he was very 1116 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,040 interested. Oh, have you got your booking 1117 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,400 number? Oh, yeah, it's here. 1118 01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:39,760 So slight problem. As for next week, in my tired 1119 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,160 haste, I I can only assume it was me. 1120 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,880 If you want to Travelodge, it defaults to day. 1121 01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,320 Well no, I think it defaults to today. 1122 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,640 So why? Why was it next week that I 1123 01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,200 booked it for? I don't know. 1124 01:15:55,240 --> 01:16:00,400 So, OK, can you give me a, can I change it? 1125 01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:03,400 You got, Oh, well, you can phone up central. 1126 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,560 We, we don't deal with the things in the actual hotel, the 1127 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,320 bookings, but you can phone up the central line. 1128 01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,320 Here's the number. OK, well, my phone's only got 5% 1129 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,120 battery left. I'll, I'll try phoning them. 1130 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,840 That's the number we charge, 11 pence a minute and you've got a 1131 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,800 15 minute queue. Well, my battery is not going to 1132 01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,840 last that long. So hung up, told them they went 1133 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,440 OK, I'll have a look on the website. 1134 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,800 And there's another, it was in Sheffield that I had booked to 1135 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,800 Travelodge. There's another Travelodge in 1136 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,320 Sheffield. So I managed to get a place 1137 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:48,880 there but that was another 40 quid, £40 plus the 31. 1138 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,760 I could have gotten a fancy hotel for that price, but I just 1139 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,880 wanted to. The worst thing is, I just 1140 01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,000 wanted to shower. I was happy to sleep in the van. 1141 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,840 I just wanted to shower. So have you still got that room 1142 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,360 for next week? Because I've got time off next 1143 01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,080 week and I happily use that booking. 1144 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,000 I'm sure it's got to be close enough to the Pennine Way. 1145 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,360 Saturday night, yeah. You have to use it on Saturday 1146 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,560 night if you want it, it's yours. 1147 01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,720 Anybody else out there wants a Travelodge on Saturday night in 1148 01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:23,680 Sheffield? Drop my message, but the, the 1149 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,960 other Travelodge that I went to, I've managed to get there, 1150 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,520 managed to actually book the right one on the right night. 1151 01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,000 Oh, you've got to pay for your parking outside. 1152 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,360 So that was another 3 LB OK, right. 1153 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,520 I don't care. I just want a shower. 1154 01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,280 I'm I'm thinking I've been running for 29 hours. 1155 01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,200 This is like the most expensive shower I think you're going to 1156 01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,040 have booked. It is, but it doesn't stop there 1157 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,920 because when I left the next day I, I said to Rebecca though, 1158 01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,640 take her out for dinner to celebrate because it was a 1159 01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,720 successful race. So went over to hers. 1160 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,360 But going through Sheffield, there was signs saying you're 1161 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,280 now leaving the low emission zone. 1162 01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,080 But yeah, what, when did I enter the low emission zone? 1163 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,000 And if the low emission zone there is the same as the low 1164 01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,040 emission zone in Aberdeen, that's like a £60 fine. 1165 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,960 So just expecting that. So on the website to find out 1166 01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:32,320 how much it was going to be. And it was a tenner, so paid 1167 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,920 it's there. And then so yeah, that's what, 1168 01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,720 £70 for the hotel, 10 lbs for that, 3 LB for parking. 1169 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,280 Yeah, that was an expensive shower. 1170 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:49,680 And then the the happiest bit for me was she came up to mine 1171 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:54,560 on the way home to be sitting across from you talking to you 1172 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,720 because my cooking hasn't poisoned you. 1173 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:04,960 I you asked if I liked it and there was clean plates twice 1174 01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,960 because I had seconds. So I think that says it all. 1175 01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,720 There you go. So to those naysayers that says 1176 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:12,720 I was going to poison you, I never. 1177 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:20,480 Yeah, those naysayers, Ross Beverage, I was told. 1178 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:32,880 So, yeah, I'm home now. In total, it was almost 900 1179 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:39,720 miles, a long trip for what could have been a disaster. 1180 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,560 It wasn't. I'm taking it as a positive. 1181 01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,640 I I got to that I I know that in my head that I can get to that 1182 01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,840 distance and still have plenty to go. 1183 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:55,720 If you had asked me that 3-4 months ago I probably would have 1184 01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,440 said Nah I'd be fine. But in my head that I would have 1185 01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:02,920 known that I wasn't a. Good confidence, best for you. 1186 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,520 Is there any that you've got your eye on then coming up that 1187 01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:12,320 you can get a decent? I no, I was deliberately not 1188 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:18,680 doing anything, not even looking at races until after hard recall 1189 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:22,640 had been out of the way with. I don't see the point in even 1190 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:28,520 thinking about it and I'm not making any like, although it's 1191 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,160 Thursday now and the race is on Saturday, it's still too early 1192 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,360 to think about. I slept for 9 1/2 hours last 1193 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,160 night and the only reason I got out of bed is because I had to 1194 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,880 walk Florida to the school bus. I could have easily slept for 1195 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,400 another probably an hour and a half before we recorded this 1196 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,600 podcast and I would have done so. 1197 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:57,160 It's it's too early. I've I've got this the time off 1198 01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,320 work because I had to use the holidays or lose them. 1199 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,200 So I'm happily sitting about doing nothing at the moment. 1200 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,400 I'll probably go to the running club tonight but I might not, so 1201 01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:10,120 we'll we'll see. Well you've more than deserved 1202 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:15,400 your rest anyway, so definitely enjoy putting your feet up and 1203 01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,280 if you fancy running club, go. If you don't, just chill. 1204 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,640 That's, that's the thing at the moment is just do whatever I 1205 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,120 feel like at the time. Exactly. 1206 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:34,440 So I I think unless you've got any questions about the race, 1207 01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:40,960 who can travel lodges stupidly? Don't ask your advice on them. 1208 01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,480 I think what I've taken from that. 1209 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,600 So anything else you want to catch up on? 1210 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,520 I think that's us wrapped up for now. 1211 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,360 People seem to enjoy the last episode that we spoke about what 1212 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,440 we were doing. As we said that that episode, 1213 01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:02,800 it's not something we intend to do that frequently. 1214 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,880 I personally don't have. I've got the Ultera, the Chilli 1215 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,440 Trail, as I said earlier, coming up in November. 1216 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:13,880 But aside from that, my running is going to be just keeping base 1217 01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:19,840 fitness until the end of April because my intention is to 1218 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,640 complete my master's dissertation. 1219 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,600 So the focus is very much going to be on that and just taking 1220 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,600 over what they're running and the fitness and building on this 1221 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,720 ankle. Yeah, well, if anybody's got any 1222 01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:41,080 feedback on how much rubbish that we talk or even what guests 1223 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,880 you want to be on, drop us a message on Instagram. 1224 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,440 That's the best place to There are other platforms, but the 1225 01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:49,640 messages go missing. We don't get notifications. 1226 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:55,080 Instagram is the place to do it. Direct message or comment on a 1227 01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:58,840 post. Feedback means everything. 1228 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,520 I'll it could change it, we could ignore it. 1229 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:09,680 Well, that's what happens. So from me, it's goodbye. 1230 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,920 Thank you, Nikki for being Nikki. 1231 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,840 If anybody has anything they want to ask, please ask and 1232 01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,280 we'll answer it. Try and be honest. 1233 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,160 Might not be honest with ourselves, but we'll try to be 1234 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,160 honest on the podcast. So see you later. 1235 01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:27,520 Thanks.