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Hi and welcome back to Run to 
Run. 

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Tonight's guests, we've got a 
little bit different show for 

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you tonight. 
We're the guest is not here to 

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talk about her achievements, 
talk about herself. 

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Instead, she's talking about 
what she's doing for charity and

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the chosen chosen can't even 
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Her chosen charity is Prostate 
Cancer UK and she's got an 

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entertaining twist on how she's 
raising money for the charity, 

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but we'll get into that in a 
minute. 

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Welcome to the show, Lizzie 
Gatherer. 

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Thank you very much. 
Really pleased to be here. 

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Thank you. 
So we'll get right into it. 

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Tell us about what the the 
challenge is and some 

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interesting Strava art that you 
might be doing. 

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Yeah. 
So I will confess immediately, 

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it's not an original challenge. 
It was done back in 2024 by a 

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chap called Terry Rosamund. 
And yeah, it's a, it's a very 

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interesting shape. 
It's the, it's the shape of a 

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penis. 
So it's a 70 mile, 70 mile cock 

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and balls in the Brecon Beacons,
which is actually my favorite, 

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favorite place to run. 
And the idea behind this is to 

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raise. 
Well, when Terry did it, Terry 

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Rosamund did it back in 
November. 

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It was for the November charity 
and, and I got in touch with 

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him. 
Well, I, I saw the route on his 

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Strava and I was like, I need to
do that. 

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I really, I don't know why, but 
I really need a massive penis on

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my Strava because I just thought
it was really, really funny. 

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And then, and then I sort of 
read the article, learned a bit 

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more about it and realized why 
he had done it. 

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So I got in touch with him a few
weeks ago just to check I had 

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his blessing to do the route and
to check if there was a specific

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charity he wanted me to raise 
for. 

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But he said, you know, do 
whichever charity you would 

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like. 
So yes, I'm raising money for 

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Prostate Cancer UK and yeah, and
it will be happening on 

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Saturday, not too long actually,
Saturday 21st of February, I 

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will be doing this challenge. 
I think it's it's almost a 

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cliche that you, if you're doing
any Strava art, it has to be 

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cock and balls. 
I remember doing one many, many 

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years ago, but it was probably 
1/2 mile or something like that.

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So in comparison, a little bit, 
a little bit colder. 

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Oh, you're right. 
Well, I actually, I've obviously

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missed out on this, this Strava 
art because all the things I've 

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done that tend to be like 
Christmas themes or with my boot

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camp, we we were setting each 
other challenges, but they were 

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all quite innocent. 
So I didn't realize it was an 

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actual thing. 
But it's got, I mean, when Terry

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did it, he wanted to get, he 
wanted to verify it with, with 

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Guinness World Records and they 
didn't accept it. 

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I can't think why. 
And also FKT won't accept it 

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either. 
And I was, I did, I did have a 

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back and forth with them because
I couldn't, I, from my point of 

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view, haven't done quite a few 
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I couldn't understand why they 
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Because it is in a beautiful 
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It's a really runnable route. 
If you want to do it fast, you 

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you could do it really fast. 
But then they sort of enlighten 

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me that apparently they have 
quite a lot of submissions for 

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basically for strata art. 
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because if they accept that, 
then that'll open the floodgates

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and all sorts of things will be 
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So, so yeah. 
So it's it's an unofficial, 

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unofficial world record as the 
largest cock and balls GPS 

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trace. 
So yeah, looking forward to it. 

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So the chosen charity is 
Prostate Cancer UK. 

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Why that charity specifically? 
Well, it's, there's a few 

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reasons really. 
So until recently, cancer is not

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something I've had to think 
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I've had friends who've had 
breast cancer, I've had friends 

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who've had prostate cancer, but 
it was, it was before I met 

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them. 
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it's just something I've been 
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But now I actually, one of my 
family members, my 

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father-in-law, he's been, he's 
receiving treatment for prostate

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cancer. 
I've got an elderly friend in 

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hospital. 
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cancer. 
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frequently at the moment. 
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her, I've made friends with 
another lady on, on the ward. 

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She's actually the same age as 
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cancer. 
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wanted to do something. 
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being useful beyond, beyond 
visiting my friend and beyond, 

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you know, worried about my 
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I, I just wanted to feel like I 
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The shape obviously lends itself
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And it's, it is quite fitting 
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people I run with are men and 
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upwards. 
And this is the key age for when

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you should be going to the 
doctor's to get yourself 

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checked. 
So it just seems to yeah, it 

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seems to work. 
The the run that you're doing, 

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you mentioned it's through the 
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Is there a particular part of 
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be the hardest, as it were? 
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be the balls and that's not 
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or it's difficult to rain. 
They are actually in Cricow, 

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which is a beautiful, beautiful 
village, but it's all on road 

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and I am not a Roadrunner. 
And that will be sort of 50 plus

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miles in. 
I've realised at that point it 

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would be sensible to change to 
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the roads. 
Therefore my roaches are the 

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correct size for my feet. 
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whole size bigger. 
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on, I really don't think I'd be 
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So I'm going to have to do that 
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Yes, I'm going to have to do 20 
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shoes. 
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most exciting place to be, but 
it's still, it's still quite a 

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scenic. 
It's it's still quite scenic. 

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It'll be enjoyable. 
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be quite tough and it it might 
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well at that point. 
If it helps at all, I don't go 

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with the half size up for 
anything, I just use shoes that 

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actually fit so. 
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Oh, right. 
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Yeah. 
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preference I think. 
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And how have people reacted to 
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Are people looking quite forward
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Are they? 
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Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a great
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But the reason why Terry, Terry 
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he, he thought that men would 
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They would engage more with, 
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And I am absolutely finding 
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who've sent me funny text 
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giggling as soon as they, 
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I've heard, you know, I've heard
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So the, the, the, the shape is 
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humorous and it's gets people 
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And I think, yeah, I, I, I think
having that sort of funny, that 

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funny shape through humour, I 
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more, we can relate more, I 
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really serious situation, we 
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freely about it. 
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clubs training camp. 
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in Dartmoor and pretty much the 
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there. 
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four hour journey back, someone 
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about this run and then about 
prostate cancer and their 

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personal experiences with it or 
experiences, you know, family 

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members have had. 
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I think having a funny shape is,
is a great way to to get people 

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talking and. 
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you break down people. 
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better way to start the 
conversation about an an awkward

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subject. 
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I mean, as ultra marathon 
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on the trails and sometimes it's
just best to fess up, own it and

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make a joke of it. 
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It's the same with with anything

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really. 
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make light of the situation and 
you can, you can talk about it. 

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And what's the funniest comment 
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reception? 
For. 

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This announcing the challenge. 
So it was from Terry, he said. 

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I found the shaft the hardest 
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the balls, it gets a lot easier.
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else said make sure you don't 
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I've had a few just sort of like
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and then I said I I, I replied 
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balls up with the nab, it can be
a pubic hair. 

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So this is this is perhaps the 
the one route. 

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I I really don't mind if I go 
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add the bit of, I don't know, 
add a bit extra to the to the 

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straw artwork. 
I think it's as you say, there's

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so much induendo that you could 
put into this. 

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I'm I'm not even sure are we, 
are we going to get banned from 

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YouTube and Spotify for some of 
this? 

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Oh, well, I really hope not. 
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this, it's really important to 
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Because it's one thing giving 
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a charity, but but sometimes 
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You know, you've done a good 
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where your money is going or, or
how that's helpful. 

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So a massive part for me is the 
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So what I've done is I've really
encouraged people to come and 

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join me on the route. 
So I've got sections from as 

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little as there's actually a one
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as as short as 3 1/2 miles to as
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I think I've got about eight 
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far who who will be joining me. 
I think I'm also going to have, 

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I'm pretty sure there's going to
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for the, for the road section. 
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we run in or they're cycling 
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stories. 
You know, that because everyone,

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it does feel like everyone seems
to know someone who's, who's had

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prostate cancer or gone through 
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And then I hope that I can, I 
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know, and just encourage people 
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prostate cancer doesn't have, it
actually doesn't have a national

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screening programme. 
So it's not something as from 

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how I have understood the 
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it's not something you're 
automatically going to get 

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checked for. 
It's something you need to, you 

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know, you need to go to the 
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And it's not, I think one of the
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recently with someone, which is 
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He said that how women are quite
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It's quite normal for us, but 
for men it's not. 

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And, and, and they were 
wondering, is that why men don't

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go? 
But it, it doesn't necessarily 

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when you go and get checked, 
it's not always what you think 

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it is. 
It's actually that I think the 

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first step is a blood test. 
And it's not, it's not an 

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invasive test. 
So, so it's, yeah, it's, it's no

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problem to go and get tested. 
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two of their friends passed away
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wife was really, really nagging 
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that typical guy, you know, no, 
I'm fine. 

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I feel well, I don't need to go 
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Anyway, She's she really nagged 
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It turned out he did have it. 
He has been treated and he's 

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totally fine now. 
But if, if it wasn't for her 

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pushing him to go, he might not 
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And that's, that's really 
frightening. 

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It is just such a simple test. 
So if you're 50, if you're male,

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if you're black, one in four 
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cancer in their lifetime. 
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prostate cancer in their 
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So it's actually yeah, go and 
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I want to I want to give really.
And what's the run, Lizzie? 

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We've got 2 questions off of the
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How do people join in? 
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social charity? 
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How? 
What's the logistics? 

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So I've been on my Instagram, 
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I've, I've got a pinned post 
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lizzie@ultramadlizzie.com. 
That's to express an interest. 

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It doesn't necessarily mean 
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can share the route with you. 
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these different, I've got Rd. 
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to give them some professional 
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stubbiest runner that that will 
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not about time. 
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out in the mountains feeling, 
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doing something to help raising 
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yeah, just having some, some 
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think is fun to be honest. 
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a fun day out. 
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I cannot wait. 
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I've been about a run for ages. 
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I just, I just can't wait. 
It's going to be really fun. 

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You mentioned the test a minute 
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people are nervous. 
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and get a lubed up finger up the
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I I've had the test, it wasn't 
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I had a blood test because GP 
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we'll just get that test done 
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finger prick and got the results
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It wasn't anything invasive and 
it is worthwhile doing, yeah. 

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Thank. 
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confirming what I yeah, thank 
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And you're obviously doing it 
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You're out there raising money, 
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money that you're raising. 
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you're fundraising and how can 
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I've set a target of 2000 lbs 
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going live I had received, I 
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another charity, British Hen 
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money because a part of it feels
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popularity contest, you know, 
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raising money somewhere that I 
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person can make the most noise 
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important. 
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nervous actually, weirdly about,
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Ultramat. 
I'm trying to keep it simple. 

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Ultramat, Lizzy, everything, my 
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giving. 
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really good, even if you Google 
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what impact do you hope that the
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and and then, and then the, the 
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is, is, is just fantastic. 
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that I've run with that day, I 
hope that we can create some 

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really great, great lasting 
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And I will tell you a little 
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This is a 2 stage project that 
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waters one because this is a 
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It's already had some media 
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something else. 
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Health. 
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discussions so far about it and 
it's I'm really, really excited 

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what shape the, what shape the 
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achieve, but I don't know how to
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run, this campaign teaches me. 
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So yeah. 
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attention and if you move on to 
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year, other people might get 
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it is, whatever you need to do, 
hopefully that it happens. 

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We are fully supportive of it. 
Raising awareness for anything 

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that, especially things like 
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hard to talk about that matter 
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As life, I guess. 
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run an ultra, you could run with
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you totally empty your your 
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other. 
You have all these incredible 

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conversations. 
It's so easy to do that on the 

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trails, but for whatever reason 
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But you know, when it's in a 
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these things really difficult to
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somebody's face while you're 
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Yeah, yeah, that's true. 
You're running next to them, 

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aren't you? 
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you're not seeing their face 
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But anyway, we are tight on 
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Hopefully you're not tight on 
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everybody's going to come and 
join you. 

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So for tonight's episode, it's 
goodbye from me. 

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Thank you, Lizzie for coming on.
Thank you Nikki for being Nikki,

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and goodbye. 
Thanks, Lizzie.