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Hi, good morning and we are here
at the Newburgh 10K10. 

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It's organised by the Newburgh 
June Running club. 

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Today I've got Jill, I'll let 
her introduce herself. 

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She was sort of embarrassed with
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runner, but she is a runner. 
She is part of the running club 

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that I'm a member of. 
So, Jill, give me a brief 

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introduction to what makes you a
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Well, I started running about 10
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got into running and I kind of 
felt I needed to do something to

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get some fitness back, having 
done absolutely nothing for 

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years and years. 
So for a while I ran, went to 

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the gym and swam, but since 
we've moved up here I tend to 

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just do running now because too 
far to go to get to either the 

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sea or the pool to swim and I 
really love it. 

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I started off doing couch to 5K 
with the aim of actually doing a

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park run was my first target. 
Then I moved on to doing Norwich

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10K was my first 10K and 
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Edinburgh Half Marathon and 
Manchester Marathon was my first

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marathon. 
I think I've done four or five 

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since then and I've really got 
the bug. 

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Every year I will just stick to 
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doing anything longer. 
I'm getting older and my body 

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doesn't really necessarily like 
the really long distances, but 

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bizarrely I ended up doing an 
ultra last year and I have 

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accidentally signed up for at 
least one marathon this year, so

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who knows? 
You mentioned there about 

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running to the pool, so running 
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do. 
You're into swimming as well, is

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that right? 
I do bumming when I can get to 

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the pool. 
Yeah, I do like a nice swim. 

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More in the pool than in the 
sea, But that's more of a 

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historic thing because I nearly 
drowned in the sea as a child. 

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I still have hurdles to 
overcome. 

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You mentioned that you did an 
ultra last year. 

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Tell me about that. 
Well, that was. 

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Something that I signed up for 
with a friend in a fit of 

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madness presumably. 
And unfortunately I got COVID 

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like a month before of it before
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with being fully recovered and I
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the cut off time. 
I was really pleased that I did 

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it, really enjoyed it, but 
there's an awful lot more walk I

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would really ideally have liked.
To do Covid's probably 

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appropriate thing given the 
recent history of our society, I

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guess. 
What tips would you have for 

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sort of getting back to fitness 
after you had COVID? 

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Well, certainly don't do what I 
did, which was I was still on my

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run streak. 
I still am on my run streak. 

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So I was still making myself go 
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didn't really feel like it. 
When I was feeling at my worst, 

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it was more maybe like a mile or
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running. 
But I do wonder if I would have 

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bounced back quicker if I had 
actually taken 2 weeks off and 

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not done anything. 
But I. 

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The main thing I found I think 
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just, I'm slightly asthmatic, 
but I was just getting the 

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breathing back again. 
Even when I stopped feeling 

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absolutely tired and having to 
go and have a lie down in the 

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middle of the afternoon, just 
trying to be able to get like a 

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full lungful of air again, it 
was really difficult. 

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Is that hindsight that you 
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Or even now that you know that 
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would you do the same thing 
again anyway? 

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I mean, I do see, see fine now 
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having got used to running with 
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normally do, I now find that I'm
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So possibly it did have a 
benefit. 

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There's no science behind that 
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No is my word. 
For it, we're all on an 

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experiment of 1, and that's 
yourself so. 

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That's very true. 
You mentioned that you were on a

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run streak. 
What's What's your criteria for 

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your run streak and how far 
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I think on something like day 
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and do 5K every day. 
There has been a couple of times

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when I haven't managed it, so 
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because I was walking and 
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a mile, but normally I do. 
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marathon, which was a really, 
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The day after that I think I 
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normally I do get full 5K and 
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Tell me, what's your biggest 
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I think it's getting myself from
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When I first started going coach
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one week where there was quite, 
it seemed at the time like a big

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jump Where you're suddenly 
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I don't know, 5 minutes or 
something ridiculously that 

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seems ridiculously short now. 
But the time was like I can't do

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that and it's just getting from 
that I can't do it to actually I

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can do it. 
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thing, you know you can set 
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all becomes much more 
achievable. 

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You know to the extent when I 
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there was never any way that I 
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marathon, anything longer than 
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Whereas now you know, I know I 
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But I think a lot of the time 
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competitively is an achievement 
because there's always something

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that's not ideal. 
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or it's too hot or it's too 
windy or you know so you always 

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get to the end of a of a long 
competitive run and give 

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yourself, need to give yourself 
a pat in the back because you've

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actually got out there and. 
You've done, you say, 

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competitive, competitive to me. 
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lot of the time. 
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is in the race, it's you that 
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So I thought, what's race? 
Have you got ambitions to do? 

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Oh, I'd like to go back and do 
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properly, fully fit, The time 
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got a place in the ballot and 
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the London Marathon and I 
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that got postponed and so, but I
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they set for it, I was just 
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to happen. 
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round properly doing the 
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And then it got closer and 
closer and it became apparent it

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wasn't going to be cancelled and
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or as fit as I would have liked 
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So I I kind of felt like I 
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Do you think that London is 
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Is London the biggest marathon 
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marathon say? 
I've heard good things about 

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Manchester Marathon being like a
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Is it the peal of London that 
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I think I just feel I've got 
unfinished business with London.

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Manchester was my first marathon
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getting round it in under 5 
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I easily managed, but there were
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was when they were highlights. 
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man who's got like a giant 
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you'd taken out on the pavement 
to watch the mile, but there was

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a couple of bits, sort of 
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running and there's really not a
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But then I found that with 
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I think a lot of people didn't 
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because you're probably worried 
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I just feel I've got unfinished 
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I would like to go back, but I 
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New York and I have heard good 
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where they actually put pontoons
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the lagoons and you're running 
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all the bridges with carpets, 
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And it just sounded like a 
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Also like more like a carnival 
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Well. 
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atmosphere in some of these 
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there's so many competitors, but
I know that you were doing the 

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Murray Way relief when I was 
doing it last year and you were 

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lucky if you saw people every 15
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Does that does that make a 
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that race was such a nice race 
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the photos you enjoyed that as 
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Yeah, it's. 
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I think that's one thing that 
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can enjoy doing things in 
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When I first started running, I 
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I used to go out early in the 
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me running. 
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where you've got 4050 thousand 
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But then to do something like 
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say, you don't see anybody for 
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leg. 
I mean, we did the relay. 

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I was actually dreading the bit 
in the dark because I, you know,

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like eyesight's not that great 
in the dark and but I absolutely

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loved that. 
That was just the best, probably

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one of the highlights of my year
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running time, just running out 
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then getting up onto the Moor. 
And there were some owls calling

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in the woods. 
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were things rustling in the 
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But because it's auk, you know, 
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that's going to jump out and eat
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And then just watching the sun 
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the old railway line, it was 
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You think that running in the 
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you you want to experience more 
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I don't know if you've not got 
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the opportunity around here 
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time of year. 
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to explore more I think? 
I would like to do a bit more, I

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mean, but I think it's a 
confidence thing as well. 

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I mean it's sort of working out 
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wise. 
I mean, I borrowed a chest 

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torch. 
That leg is a Murray Ultra, but 

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I found that didn't whether I 
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I just found that watching the 
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I found that it makes you almost
seasick. 

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Yes, yeah. 
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better sticking to my head 
torch, although they have 

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disadvantages as well because 
they're they can be quite heavy 

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and tends to not carry. 
Away not just confidence, but 

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getting used to the kit. 
Yeah, so I think, I think that 

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was a big thing was I think I 
would like to do more and get 

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get used to the kit and get a 
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I'm just, I wasn't a trail 
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all. 
Never run on a trail. 

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And the first time went out with
the club on a trail run, I'm 

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gonna die because it was just so
much like hard work. 

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And I think I tend to, I've got 
a running. 

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My natural running action is not
lifting my feet very high, which

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I need to work on. 
So I end up tripping over things

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a lot more than I should do so. 
Well, I I. 

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Find confidence like. 
For me, if I went to see a 

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professional gait analysis, they
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running stupid, I run, I run. 
What's natural to me? 

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I'm a swimming court in a 
previous life, so I I do know a 

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bit about Physiology and 
repetitive actions and how they 

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can cause injury from a swimming
point of view, so I can try and 

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translate that knowledge over to
to running. 

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You mentioned earlier that 
you're not getting younger. 

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Don't want to ask a woman her 
age. 27. 

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How do you feel that as you're 
getting older, how does that 

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affect your body? 
I. 

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Think you start getting a bit 
more aches and pains? 

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Certainly when I started to run 
streak I was finding a lot of 

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niggles. 
Nothing that actually made me 

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stop running, but I seem to have
got through that now and out the

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other end and it's almost like I
want to keep the run streak 

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going apart as much as anything 
just because it does seem to be 

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doing a lot of good. 
And also, I mean my sister's got

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osteoporosis as the fact that 
I'm running around, it's got to 

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be doing me a lot of good, your 
weight bearing, bone preserving 

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point of view. 
So I'm not. 

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I think it's just important to 
keep active as long as you can. 

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If you can do it without 
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becoming inactive. 
And do you think that the the 

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run streak that's prevented 
injury or you think you've 

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because you're you're exposing 
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where you could get injured, you
are injured more or because 

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you're fitter and stronger that 
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Definitely the latter because 
I'm fitter and stronger. 

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I've been injured less. 
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could go out this morning and 
trip over something and you 

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know. 
These things. 

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Happen. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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But I do. 
I feel stronger. 

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I feel fitter. 
I feel more coordinated. 

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My balance is better. 
My reaction's a bit better. 

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It's not. 
Good. 

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When you mentioned earlier on 
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you feel from the run streak or 
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you are faster now? 
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older or how does it balance 
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I'm definitely getting faster, 
interestingly. 

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I mean it's got to come a point 
where it will balance out in age

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will, but having come to running
quite lately in life, it's nice 

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to know that you can still make 
improvements year on year. 

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Yeah, what? 
What was your the first race 

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that you took part in? 
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obviously that's not, it's not 
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Apart from against yourself, it 
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How do you feel that compares to
other races that you've done 

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since now that you've got more 
sort of knowledge of what a race

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is? 
In Norwich 10K was my apart from

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park room was my first 
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as in a large number of people. 
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And I I really lost a lot of 
sleep ahead of that at the night

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looking back and like why. 
But I just found that it was 

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quite daunting just being part 
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you're suddenly like, well, I'm 
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I'm not like, I think how to 
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It's actually finding yourself 
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something as opposed because I'd
always run on my own before, I'd

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never been a member of a running
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And it was just suddenly finding
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out there who actually did the 
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You know since moving up here 
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running club maybe two years 
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Michelle said to me one week 
about it's like something about 

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finding your own tribe. 
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It's very much like there's all 
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all run for different reasons 
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distances, different speeds with
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Some are really fit some are not
really fit and but they all have

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that one thing in common, 
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And sometimes we hate it and 
sometimes we love it, but it's 

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it's just it's just like finding
a group of like minded people, 

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even though they've all got 
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Yeah, well, even within, like 
we're in the same running club, 

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but we don't often run together.
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are, as you say, part of the 
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So it's it's getting people 
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worthwhile to me. 
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mental health thing as well. 
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that you've been out there in 
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somebody, you know, where I 
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We moved up here promptly, went 
into lockdown, didn't really see

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anybody for two years. 
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that's, it's not a healthy way 
for human beings to live. 

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I don't think you need. 
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other people. 
Given the weather up here 

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compared to down beside Norwich,
do you get out when it's 

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snowing? 
Do you, If you got trade not at 

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home, how do you cope with that 
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I haven't got a treadmill and it
is. 

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I find treadmill running really 
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But from the injury prevention 
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it's probably a sensible thing. 
And I I think I may end up 

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looking for treadmill just 
because that week or so in 

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December and then again started 
Jack middle of January, it's 

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just lethal around where we are.
We're like you. 

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We don't get glitters and snow 
plows and you get that melting 

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and refreezing and it's just and
it's just icy. 

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I ended up a couple of times in 
Marcus on just running around 

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one of the fields near where I 
am, which was deeply unpleasant 

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because it was very wet with ice
on top and you were running 

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along every step. 
You broke through the ice with 

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ice cold water and I was 
desperately trying to get sort 

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of like 5K done around this 
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I think ice is my biggest. 
I really don't want to slip and 

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flower over and break something.
We're we're coming to the end of

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the event that we're supporting 
that's going on. 

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You see people driving back in 
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One last question to wrap it up 
the the event here is powered by

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cake and juice. 
Have you got any fuels that 

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you've got during the race or is
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During a race, I tend to have 
Jelly babies. 

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Or a long run. 
Yeah, Jelly babies. 

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Sometimes Cliff blocks or 
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my hydration vest. 
What else do I take? 

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Ginger nuts. 
I like ginger nuts on a long 

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race and oh, I can't what 
they're called. 

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Like mini cheesy biscuits, mini 
cheddar things. 

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I quite often take them as well 
and then cake when I finish 

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right. 
I think due to the noise that's 

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a way to happen in here. 
I think we'll call it a wrap 

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there today. 
And thank thank you very much 

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and see you again next episode.