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Hello and welcome to another 
episode of Run Till You're Done.

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For this episode we have the 
privilege this time of 

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interviewing the 200 and 400 
metre V-35 British Women's 

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Champion of 2025. 
She is just recently back from 

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the European Championships and 
we cannot wait to hear how she 

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got there and how she got on. 
So welcome to the podcast, 

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Lauren Jobson. 
Oh, thank you so much. 

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Thanks so much for having. 
Us well, Lauren, there's going 

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to be loads of questions because
what you do is definitely it's 

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almost like a different sport 
than what we do. 

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So we'll we'll get on to what it
is. 

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But to begin with, how did you 
get into running? 

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If running is the same type of 
running? 

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If we do, we all do the same 
thing. 

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We all run. 
We all forward motion. 

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How did you get into it? 
Well, obviously I'm from the 

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Northeast and we have the very 
iconic Great North Run here. 

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And I think when you've got the 
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doorstep, it's, you know, 
amazing. 

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It does get a lot of people into
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involved. 
So I signed up for my first 

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Great North Run, I think in 
2012. 

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So was sort of, you know, later 
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And at the time I worked with a 
pharmacist who ran for Blythe 

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Running Club. 
And he kept saying was, oh, you 

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should join, you should join us,
you know, And I kept saying, oh,

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Kevin Freeman, he was in, he was
called. 

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And I kept saying, oh, I want to
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at a time when it's convenient 
for me, I don't want to be tied 

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down to sort of club running 
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And really what I meant by that 
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know, casual 10 KS and then try 
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marathon. 
It wasn't, you know, I wasn't 

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kind of doing any, any 
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And then it was the summer of 
2013 and I signed up to do 

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Edinburgh Marathon in 2014. 
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thought, actually, I'm going to 
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You know that you could wing 
1/2, but I definitely couldn't 

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wing a marathon, so yeah. 
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Club and then have done every 
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meters. 
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your very first race that you'd 
signed up for. 

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No, so before the Great North 
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and it was Blythe's run. 
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run, so it's a 10K and I ran it 
with my sister and we were, you 

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know, and I should have known 
from the early science here that

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I was a short distance runner. 
We sort of ran it and we've got 

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a four mile lane and I'm going 
to complain to my sister 

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stomach. 
My back hurts, my legs are 

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hurting, my knees are hurting 
like and I was hating everything

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about it. 
So my sister slows right down, 

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you know, jogs with me and then 
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finish and I thought I feel 
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for it. 
My sister was like, Oh, she 

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hasn't got that speed in her 
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she's, you know, staying with 
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around. 
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was like, well, I'm going to go 
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flag. 10K was my very first run 
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my very second, like my second 
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So yeah. 
What? 

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What kind of times were you 
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So I think we're around the 
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So it was kind of that that made
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is sort of, you know, a lot of 
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it? 
And I was like, well, I ran 214 

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and I only really ran, you know,
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If I actually train, you know, I
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So it was sort of that that I 
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spread us on to run another 
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And I got under on my second 
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just I just scraped the barrel 
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It counts. 
It did. 

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It did. 
And how did you find Ed and 

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Brahmarathon? 
Because that seems to get quite 

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mixed reviews. 
So I did it. 

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I did it for charity. 
So the day was very, very 

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special. 
It was I was raising money in 

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memory of a friend who sadly 
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And I think because of that, the
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I felt like the crowd very much 
reminded us of the Great North 

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Run. 
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it was lovely weather. 
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people supporting a nice flat 
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You know, it was so, yeah, I 
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I loved the day the training 
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But the day was special. 
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didn't find, not that I didn't 
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was, I think it was 4/17 that I 
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So it wasn't a hard, you know, 
it wasn't a hard pace. 

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I wasn't pushing it or anything.
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there and enjoying it and taking
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step by step remembering why I 
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But no, I definitely enjoyed it.
So when you said that you were 

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going to enter the half, I was 
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You were definitely really 
encouraging. 

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We were just chatting before we 
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And for those that don't know, 
Lauren was actually one of the 

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very first people that I had met
and followed on Instagram before

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I even started running. 
So Lauren is has been there for 

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me from the start and be one of 
my biggest supporters. 

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So it's Lauren's fault partly. 
I've got into this and doing 

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what we're we're doing just now.
I've got nothing to do with the 

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crazy distances you do now. 
You you just said there, you're 

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you're doing the run to remember
why you do this. 

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One of our later questions, but 
I'll I'll ask it now instead, is

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if you remember, why is it that 
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So, yeah, I guess in the very 
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North Run, it was about raising,
you know, money for charity. 

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And then when my friend lost 
about cancer, that that was the 

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reason why, you know, distance 
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But I guess, you know, nobody 
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I didn't feel like anybody would
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you know, because I'd done stuff
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I thought I have to push myself.
So I'd done another half. 

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And then I said, right, if I 
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the sponsor started to dry up 
and I got around about £1000 and

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I was like, if I raise over 
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So obviously everybody wanted to
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sponsored me again. 
So yeah, so that was definitely 

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in the beginning my reason why I
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And now it's, I guess my reason 
why is it's for me, it's, you 

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know, I'm not, I'm not mummy, 
I'm not wife, I'm not Lauren at 

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work. 
It's, you know, it's my time and

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it's something that I enjoy and 
I'm very competitive and it 

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feeds that, which is good, you 
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But yeah, definitely it's, it's 
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When you've got kids and working
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That's a nice I always like 
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Mike asks it because we all seem
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it never disappoints. 
So thank you for sharing that. 

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No, no, no problem. 
It is, it is nice to hear, isn't

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it? 
Because everybody has got their 

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own journey on getting into 
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it's always nice and inspiring, 
I think to hear, to hear other 

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people's bye and. 
Before we move on to what you 

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do, which we can't wait to hear 
about, you've mentioned you've 

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done a 100K. 
Was that an event or was it, 

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well, crazy training run? 
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We did do it. 
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very much a run, a run, walk. 
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marathon and some guys from the 
club were like, oh, we're going 

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to go and do some Cuthbert's 
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And then like you should, you 
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do that. 
It'll be great fun. 

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And it was, it wasn't an 
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We've got, you know, there was a
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little minibus and they met us 
at checkpoints that we had that 

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we had to get to. 
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great and, you know, dead social
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bit run, bit walk. 
So I said, oh, sounds lovely. 

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Oh my gosh, I went from that to 
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It was literally that that just 
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I really, really struggled. 
So mentally, I don't know how 

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you do it, like mentally to put 
yourself through that torture 

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and, you know, not think about 
it or just think actually I'm OK

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with it Or, you know, it was 
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really difficult. 
And I remember it got to sort of

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2:00 in the morning more in the 
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It's the heavens were absolutely
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And the guys, you know, who were
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right. 
We really need to think about 

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whether or not we can continue. 
This is getting like unsafe safe

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now. 
And I was just, my eyes lit up 

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and I was like, great, you know,
just stop this now. 

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I think, you know, the other 
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run till you're done. 
And they were not done. 

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And they were like, I'm not 
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Oh, gosh. 
And I just didn't want to be the

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only person that said, no, I'm 
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Yeah, like I'm happy not to do 
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So I carried on and carried on 
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And I did, you know, I made it. 
I made it. 

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But yeah, it was, it was the 
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you know, casual, you know, 
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hilly and, you know, the terrain
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wasn't where we're just kind of 
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it. 
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Wooler and we got the Wooler at 
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She had the kettle on and, you 
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you know, a little biscuit and 
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And so it was, you know, quite 
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distance. 
But my, it was hard. 

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It was so hard and then, like I 
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next year, I got into track. 
Well, I was going to say, if 

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you're considering longer 
distances, I hate to bust your 

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bubble, but it doesn't get easy.
No, no, it, yeah, it was 

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honestly. 
And I got home and my mum had 

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come to see us and she was like,
my goodness, you look like you 

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need to go to hospital. 
And I was like, I feel like I 

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need to go to hospital, ma'am. 
I think I was on the sofa for a 

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week and there's a picture more 
on a picnic bench afterwards and

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everybody's, you know, standing 
around with a celebrate. 

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We drink and I'm fast asleep on 
the bench and they're all 

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standing around this night. 
No, I'm not OK. 

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What year was? 
That how long after the was that

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since she'd started running then
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So I'd started running 2012. 
I ran the marathon in the May 

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2014 and would run the 100K in 
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2014, yeah. 
So yeah. 

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Having having done that and you 
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you've ever done, are you glad 
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Oh, absolutely. 
Do you know, just so that I know

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that it's something I'll never 
go back to. 

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No, I, you know, I think I would
have been really disappointed 

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with myself if I, if I hadn't 
have completed it. 

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Do you know, because especially,
you know, 2:00 in the morning, I

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put all that work in from 10:00 
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Do you know, if I had a kind of 
walked away, I would have been 

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really disappointed. 
So I'm so pleased that I've 

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finished it. 
And you know, it's when you say 

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to people, Oh yeah, I've done 
100K, you know, I'm like 100K, 

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you know, that's a long way. 
Like it's quite a good, it's a 

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good bragging point, certainly. 
But yeah, never again. 

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Yeah, it's a long way. 
It's a long way, so yeah. 

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It's only about what, 2000 times
longer than your normal race? 

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Yeah. 
Only. 

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Only. 
You, you've said you've done 

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that 100K that was on the Saint 
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that. 
Yeah. 

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That was trail mostly, I'm 
guessing. 

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Yeah, again, that's totally the 
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that you're normally running on.
How how does that feel? 

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Did you did you enjoy the the 
off roadness? 

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No, no. 
Do you know what I've done it? 

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So I'm because I'm very 
competitive. 

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for the longer distance stuff. 
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it. 
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of, you know, there's a 
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around here that I've done do 
you know, when I do those sort 

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of races, I can't, I can't 
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come high up in the field And 
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annoys me. 
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And then I've like I say, I 
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Oh my God, like I've got speed. 
And I hadn't really even trained

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Whereas the trail stuff and the,
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and the distance stuff was it, 
it just felt like a slog. 

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Yeah. 
I, I, I can totally understand 

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what you mean there, because I 
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at a shorter distance, but I've 
got the sort of endurance and I 

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feel that I can compete at the 
longer distance. 

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So it's the opposite, but 
exactly the same feeling. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So how did you mate? 

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You've done that 100K. 
How did you then move on to 

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track? 
So I didn't really know a lot 

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about track, to be honest. 
And then the club was doing an 

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event and they're like, oh, 
we're going to this track and 

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field meeting, do you want to 
come along? 

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And I was like, Oh yeah, that 
sounds good. 

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You know, just not just thinking
about athletics at school. 

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And I was always quite good at 
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So I turned up and they're like,
oh, like you're usually running 

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spikes. 
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country spikes with, you know, 
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And I was like, I've got my 
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And they're like, oh, no, 
they're not for the track. 

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So I ran an 800 was the first, 
you know, you just basically 

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filled events in. 
So it wasn't really like, you 

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know, it was like the team just 
needed points and these were 

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where they had spaces. 
So I ran an 800 and they're 

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like, oh, take it easy because 
you know, it's 2 laps and 

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although, you know, it doesn't 
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trying to push at pace, it is. 
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easy and just sort of like kind 
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And then I thought, all right, 
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people on the second lap. 
And I, I ran that second lap and

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you know, I pushed hard and I 
just thought, you know, I had my

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Rd. trainers on. 
I think the ASICS at the time, 

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you know, very high cushioned, 
you know, shoes, not anything 

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for light or speed or anything, 
but I just was like, oh, that 

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was a bit, you know, I ran that 
one lap and I was like, that was

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a bit of me. 
But then, you know, and I and I 

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loved it and I kind of did carry
on track, but once I had the 

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kids, it's really hard to stick 
to that because, you know, the 

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track for me is 40 minutes away.
So I've got to drive that and 

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drive back. 
Whereas, you know, once the kids

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came along, it was so much 
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buggy and you know, away you go 
and run a park run and all that 

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sort of stuff. 
So this year has actually only 

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been the first year where I 
fully gave track everything. 

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I've always dabbled between 
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5K when I say Rd. so. 
If kind of hinted at we said 

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that you're the female a veteran
the old age of 35. 

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I don't know how that's a 
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I think it was was that that 
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results and it said 100 M that's
100 miles right? 

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But no, it's 100 meters. 
I, I, I can't get my head round.

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I, I can't think that I can run 
100 meters, a pace that hurts 

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too much, whereas I can run 100 
miles. 

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Do you feel the sort of opposite
way around? 

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Yeah, absolutely I do. 
And like I say, I just, I can 

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remember the pain of training 
for the marathon because I did, 

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you know, I did put training 
into that. 

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And I remember I just, you know,
that it was just so I was always

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just so everything always sort 
of heard. 

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But then equally, I sometimes 
think that people don't 

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understand. 
So we've got like our middle 

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distance group and then you've 
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and the middle distance group 
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round. 
And then they'll say us and 

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we'll do sort of, you know, a 
1:50. 

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And then I'm having 15 minutes 
rest because I need to recover 

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before I go again. 
And they're like, oh, you know, 

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you're doing nothing and sitting
having a cup of tea and all 

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that. 
You know, there is just a bit of

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joke between 1:00. 
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people don't understand, I 
guess, the intensity that you do

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need for your track sessions and
just how hard they are. 

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So yeah, so. 
But I could not like, I say it 

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again. 
Yeah, distance just hurts too 

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much. 
So a normal track session? 

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What like how? 
How long does it last? 

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What do you actually do during 
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So tonight was a quick session 
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I've been and I don't will do 
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So the session itself is never 
probably really that long. 

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So tonight I ran 450 meters, 
then I had 15 minutes recovery 

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and then ran 300, and that's my 
full session. 

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But generally we'll do a lot of 
PLIO work beforehand. 

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You'll do a lot of drills, we'll
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we'll do some explosive gym work
and then get into the session. 

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So the session itself is never 
really that long. 

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So Monday night I ran 63 
hundreds with 92nd recovery, but

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then I was at the track for like
an hour and a half, close to two

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hours, because it's all of the 
sort of prep work that you do 

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beforehand. 
So during like you said tonight 

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that you did one what? 
Was it? 

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You did a 400, then you had a 15
minute break. 

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What do you do during that 15 
minutes? 

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Just mobilize. 
You're kind of just so a 15 

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minute we would class as so 
because the 450 was, you know, 

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almost at Max effort. 
You're then trying to have full 

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recovery. 
So you're just keeping 

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mobilized. 
You know, obviously in the 

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winter it's quite hard because 
it gets cold. 

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So you know, you've got your dry
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you keep warm and then yeah, go 
again. 

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But it passes quite quick. 
Do you wear heart rate monitor? 

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Is that how you know when you 
recovered or is it just? 

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No, just going off generally, I 
guess kind of probably what my 

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coaches worked out that I sort 
of need to be able to then 

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repeat a Rep at the same speed. 
Do you know, I guess it's kind 

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of just trial and error what 
we've done across the season to 

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say right, OK, generally 15 
minutes is where that works for 

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me. 
But he is quite good in that, 

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you know, if I'm feeling, you 
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with juniors as well. 
And sometimes, you know, it's 

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great because they're so fast 
and the, you know, the pull is 

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along. 
But, you know, I, I do have to 

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remember, and I know 35 
certainly isn't old, but that I 

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do need that. 
You know, I might need a little 

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bit more recovery. 
Or, you know, I in Daniel, Dan 

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is my coach and Dan and Jay and 
he will, you know, make sure 

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that he tailors my session to 
fit me as a master's athlete. 

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So in that, as Mike says, you 
keep yourself warm in those 15 

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minutes, do you eat anything or 
do you have a sports drink or 

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what? 
What would you have for things 

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like that? 
Electrolytes, I just just 

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because I always take those 
Withers and then I'll snack on 

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cashews. 
But generally just because 

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probably I'm just quite picky. 
Not really that I think that I 

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need them, but I'm just, I know 
that they're in my bag just in 

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case, but yeah. 
Before, like if you were at a 

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track meet, Is that what you 
call it? 

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I have no idea. 
Do you do one event during? 

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Like is a meet sort of one day? 
How many races have you gotten 

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that day? 
So it depends really, I guess on

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what I'm targeting. 
If it's a, so if it's a seat, 

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like there's certain races that 
we call senior leagues and 

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that's where I'm racing against 
seniors, I might only target 2 

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races, you know, because they're
not, they're not medal races or 

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they're not championship races. 
So I might just think, right, 

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OK, I'm going to target 2 
because they're a training race 

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for us. 
So I'll do generally the 100 

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meters because that's first and 
then I get about an hour and a 

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half. 
And then the 400 if, if it's a 

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championship race, I'll kind of 
look at the lineup, I guess, and

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see who's sort of entered. 
I might wait and enter a little 

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bit later and see who's entered 
one, just to see what the 

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competition's like, because I 
don't want to put myself in a 

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race if there's not enough 
competition and where I'm just 

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going to fatigue myself, you 
know, maybe enter the 200 just 

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because, you know, but yet the 
400 race, there might be a lot 

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stronger people in there and I 
want to try and save myself for 

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that race if I haven't got 
anybody to race against in the 

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200. 
Does that make sense? 

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But you know, championships this
year I've always entered at 

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least two, if not 3, which would
be distances of the 102 hundred 

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and 400. 
And the next question that I'm 

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going to ask him probably might 
well probably cringe at this. 

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And so we'll probably the rest 
of the population that are 

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listening. 
I hear about a thing called the 

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Diamond League. 
Now I've heard about athletics 

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is not my fault. 
It's not something I really 

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follow, but I've heard of that. 
So how do you get a place in 

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that? 
I take it that's if you're the 

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best of the best and all the 
best ones coming together and 

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it's quite is that quite a 
prestigious thing for you to get

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into? 
Oh yes. 

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So that's like, yes, of, you 
know, Gary Lee athletes. 

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It's like, so I went to the 
Diamond League in London this 

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year to watch and you know what 
I mean? 

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Keeley Hodgson was meant to be 
in a bit cheaper out, but that 

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was like Noah Lyles, that was 
the Jamaicans there. 

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That was Josh Kerr. 
It was, yeah, it was phenomenal.

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It was stacked with absolute, 
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the hurdles. 
It was just amazing. 

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I guess that's the difference 
between competing at a sort of 

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British level and competing at a
world level. 

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Would that be? 
Would that sum it up? 

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Yeah. 
So a lot of the athletes will 

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target those races as as sort of
warm up races to get times in 

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order to be able to then go into
things like, you know, the World

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Championships. 
Go back to your well, not 

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necessarily your session 
tonight, but your subtract 

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meets. 
How do you prepare in terms of 

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you want your glycogen levels up
before you do your all out 

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sprints? 
That type of are you eating? 

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Are you what are you drinking? 
You said you had the 

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electrolytes on a normal session
at night, but before you How do 

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you get into prime racing 
fitness? 

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Yeah, I'm quite a stick. 
Like I'm staying with the same 

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routine. 
So in the morning I always have 

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like eggs, avocado bagel, that 
is my go do breakfast if I know 

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that I'm going to compete 
because it's something that will

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keep us full. 
I love overnight oats and I have

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them religiously every morning, 
but on a track meeting I have 

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them as my lunch because it's 
something that I'm quite nervous

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and there's a lot of adrenaline,
especially if I'm running 

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multiple races and it's a full 
day thing. 

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It's something that's just easy 
to get down, you know, I don't, 

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there's no chewing involvement, 
just kind of like if I'm feeling

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quite anxious and stuff, it's 
just getting that substance into

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this. 
And then I have my electrolyte 

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and then I always have like 
jellies, either a little Harry 

440
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,960
bow or something like that. 
Yeah, to keep us going. 

441
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,520
But it went, that was a bit of a
joke, standing joke because we 

442
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,160
went to, I went to air for the 
Scottish Masters this year and 

443
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,160
we're staying in a Premier Inn 
and I upgraded my room and it 

444
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,680
was £50 just to upgrade my room 
so I could have a fridge because

445
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,680
I needed my overnight oats in. 
And everybody was like, that is 

446
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,000
the most expensive overnight 
oats you'll ever have. 

447
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040
But it's just routine and I 
needed to keep that. 

448
00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,560
But little did I know air was 
absolutely freezing in July. 

449
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,440
So I could have just had them in
the car. 

450
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:35,080
Whereas we're we're used to 
going to races and slumming it 

451
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,480
and probably even sleeping in 
the car. 

452
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,920
But yeah, as you say, just leave
it outside. 

453
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,040
It would have worked. 
There was no need for the 

454
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,880
upgrade. 
But yeah, so that, yeah, it was 

455
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,840
a bit of a standing joke. 
They were all laughing at me. 

456
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,960
But it's just having that same, 
you know, and not doing anything

457
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,800
different. 
It's trying to keep that, you 

458
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,440
know, routine as strict as 
possible. 

459
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,280
Yeah, I think I might have 
pushed out to having a cool box 

460
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,760
and put in an ice block or 
something in it maybe, Maybe 

461
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,680
going to the supermarket and 
buying a bag of ice rather than 

462
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,120
the £50 just for a fridge. 
I. 

463
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:13,360
Know it was extreme. 
So that was just for the fridge 

464
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,240
then? 
It wasn't even a better bed or a

465
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,640
bath or anything like that. 
No, Oh, no, no. 

466
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,680
It's meant to be a bit of a 
fancy room, but I was like, oh, 

467
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,080
have you got ATV on the one? 
Have you got it in the OR like 

468
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,560
yes, yes. 
So this was have you got a 

469
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,480
fridge? 
No. 

470
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:38,680
So you speak about nerves as 
well before your events and as 

471
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,840
we mentioned, you got to the 
Europeans as well. 

472
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,600
How how was that before you got 
onto that track with the others?

473
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,360
How did you deal with that? 
Honestly, I didn't deal with it 

474
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:57,040
very well at all, you know, and 
I listened to your podcast and 

475
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,720
it was it with Alison Beverage, 
was it Alison? 

476
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,880
Alice, Yeah. 
Alice Yeah, yeah. 

477
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
And that just so hit home with 
me. 

478
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,760
You know, it was the imposter 
syndrome. 

479
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,040
And I think I've had that. 
I've always had that on the 

480
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,200
track. 
And I think it's because I 

481
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,320
haven't started track from a 
young age. 

482
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,120
You know, my drills aren't 
sharp. 

483
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,040
And I know that my shapes aren't
always right. 

484
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,360
And there's a lot of drills that
I, you know, that I can't do. 

485
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,800
And just because I haven't got 
that, I just can't get that 

486
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,840
rhythm. 
I just can't get that 

487
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,600
coordination right. 
And yeah, so it was, you know, I

488
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,640
got onto the warm up track and 
I'd already been ill days in the

489
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,800
days leading up to it and I was 
a bit of a mess. 

490
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,680
And I got on that warm up track 
and I was, you know, Sweden, it 

491
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,360
just head to toe and all of this
kitten, it just I just felt so 

492
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,120
out of place. 
And I'd never had to run like 

493
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,400
heats before. 
So I'd never had to try and like

494
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,120
qualify for a final. 
I'd always just sort of turned 

495
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,680
up and I had that one job and it
was just run once around the 

496
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,800
track. 
And it was understanding the 

497
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,760
tactics of that, you know, don't
go out too hard because you 

498
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,320
don't want to ruin yourself for 
the next day, but you know, you 

499
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,760
want the best lane draw possible
that you can get. 

500
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,120
And it was, you know, it was all
very plain on my mind. 

501
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,120
But the Europeans this year, I 
was never really on my radar. 

502
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,080
My radar was to finish my season
at the British Champs and we 

503
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,040
just ended up adding the 
Europeans on as a little bit of 

504
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,320
a last minute. 
It was after I've been to 

505
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,880
Scotland, actually done the 
Scottish Champs. 

506
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,200
We ended up saying, oh, you 
know, I spoke to my husband and 

507
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,360
he was like, yeah, let's go for 
it. 

508
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,080
You know, you're running well, 
if you're going to do it any 

509
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,840
Yeah, this is the get into it. 
And I was, oh, it'll just be so 

510
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,320
much fun. 
It'll be really nice. 

511
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,920
I've had the best season ever 
and we'll end it on a high. 

512
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,560
It was really, really mentally 
tough. 

513
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:44,320
And then I finished the 1st 400 
and I found out that I'd 

514
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,880
qualified and I, it was, you 
know, of course that's what I 

515
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,720
wanted to do. 
But then ultimately I thought, 

516
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,360
I've got to go through all of 
this again. 

517
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,600
And I'd seen a girl who had knew
on the wall track and I just, 

518
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960
she was like E and I just 
started crying and I was like, 

519
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,080
I'm not OK. 
Like I'm really overwhelmed. 

520
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Like I'm, you know, and it was 
really mentally tough. 

521
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,640
And I don't think that. 
I think I thought in my head I 

522
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,280
was going for a lovely little 
holiday away with my husband. 

523
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,160
I was going to, you know, run in
this, you know, GB Masters best 

524
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,160
and wear my country's colours. 
And it was going to be all 

525
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,480
great. 
And yeah, it was actually 

526
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,880
really, really hard. 
And then on paper, I could have 

527
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,280
been in a chance for a medal. 
Do you know what a bronze medal 

528
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,280
I thought I could have kind of 
fought for And in order to get 

529
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,680
myself on the track the next day
for the final, I said OK, 

530
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,280
comfortably, you can come fifth.
Like that's comfortable. 

531
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,640
Like you know that you can come 
5th. 

532
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,680
And I came off the bend and it 
was quite tough, the lane draw 

533
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,920
that I was in because that was 
me. 

534
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,000
And then I was an Olympian in 
the race. 

535
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,440
So she was in, I was in lane 3 
and she was in lane four. 

536
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,960
And then the next three girls 
who I would have been able to 

537
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,680
compete with were in the other 
lanes, so 5-6 and seven. 

538
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,080
So they were bunched together 
and had each other to work off 

539
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,040
where I obviously The Olympian 
left straight away. 

540
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Do you know? 
So I just kind of had an empty 

541
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,840
lane next to me and I knew the 
girls in lane one and two, you 

542
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,840
know, wouldn't have been able to
kind of keep up to my pace. 

543
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880
So I came off the bend and I 
looked and I thought I'm in 

544
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,080
fifth position. 
And then I just, I just let it 

545
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,960
go. 
You know, I, I thought, this is 

546
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,480
where I'm going to finish and I,
I didn't fight for it. 

547
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,640
But when I finished, when I 
crossed the finish line, I was 

548
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,120
relieved. 
I was really, really pleased 

549
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,560
with myself. 
I thought, you know, I've done 

550
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,200
it. 
You know, I've overcome such a 

551
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,760
massive barrier, you know, you 
know, mental barrier to be here.

552
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,320
And then, but then when you get 
home, it's the guilt and the 

553
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,480
frustration of, you know, I got 
to that bend, seeing where I was

554
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,320
and just said, this is where 
you're meant to be. 

555
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,880
And I didn't, I didn't fight for
that. 

556
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,720
And it's then the guilt of, you 
know, we're paid to go away. 

557
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,920
I've left the kids for a week, 
which I've never, ever done 

558
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,800
before. 
And and that was quite tough. 

559
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,120
And I was really, really flat 
afterwards. 

560
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,440
Yeah. 
Where about where you say you 

561
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,400
went on holiday for this race? 
Where about was it? 

562
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,120
Madeira. 
How? 

563
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,680
How far away is that? 
So I think was it about three 

564
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:11,240
hour, 4 hour flight Nelly? 
Nikki, go and ask another 

565
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,600
question. 
I'm going to just figure 

566
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,240
something out. 
So, and if anyone is fortunate 

567
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,880
enough to follow Lauren and 
watch that was it the final that

568
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,200
your husband filmed and put on 
Instagram? 

569
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,280
Because I remember watching it 
and the thing that actually got 

570
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,680
a lump in my throat, it wasn't 
even watching you run. 

571
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,080
It was hearing how much he was 
cheating and shouting God, 

572
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,240
Lauren. 
And it was just actually it was 

573
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,080
it was about like one of those, 
you know, like Alish Mccolgan 

574
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,920
moments and you're like that. 
It really sucks you and you're 

575
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,120
like, oh come on. 
You know, he has been at just 

576
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:54,400
about every race this year. 
He's definitely my #1 fan and I 

577
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,400
think it's really important 
that, you know, that I always 

578
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,880
kind of say it's, it's tough 
when you've got kids and, you 

579
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,280
know, and I still work full 
time, you know, James works full

580
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,320
time and he's sacrificed, he has
sacrificed his own training in 

581
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,200
order for me to be able to, you 
know, I said this year I really 

582
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,240
want to try and give it a good 
go to see what I can do with the

583
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,640
track, you know, and he's really
sort of put his training on hold

584
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,560
in order for me to get all of my
sessions in. 

585
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320
We've prioritised, you know, 
sort of the kids are schedules, 

586
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,440
then my schedule. 
And then James just, bless him, 

587
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,520
would just fit in, you know, 
wherever. 

588
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,400
But yeah, hearing him and the 
kids on the, you know, when I 

589
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
come onto that home straight, 
it's just absolutely priceless. 

590
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,600
But yeah, he, yeah, on all of my
videos, he's obviously took a 

591
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,000
video of every race he's been 
in. 

592
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,680
And you know, you can just, you 
can just hear him. 

593
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,320
And actually at the British 
Champs, it wasn't even, it was 

594
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,440
live streamed. 
So he didn't actually. 

595
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,680
And everybody assumed James took
the video because all you can 

596
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,800
hear was him absolutely 
screaming. 

597
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760
But it wasn't, it was like, you 
know, a camera guy up in the 

598
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,360
stand somewhere. 
So yeah, it's he's definitely, 

599
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,840
he's a good egg. 
What I was going to ask, it's 

600
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,680
approximately 2 1/2 thousand 
kilometers away, How how long 

601
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,280
was the race that you did? 
400 meters. 

602
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:18,440
That's quite a quite a ratio. 
I did three of them though, so 

603
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,800
800 meters in total. 
And just following on from what 

604
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,240
we were chatting about there 
about James, what's his 

605
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,480
discipline? 
Is he track as well or does he 

606
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,800
do longer distances? 
No, he's he's very much like 

607
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,240
he's more into the gym than he 
is running and then to running. 

608
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,720
And I remember we've done a few 
park runs together and I'll be 

609
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,360
like posh, posh it and get a PB 
and he'd be like, actually don't

610
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,920
care, Lauren. 
You know, he loves trail 

611
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,200
running. 
He loves like, you know, half 

612
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,120
marathon that so it doesn't. 
But he likes to plod and enjoy 

613
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,160
the scenery and things. 
He doesn't like to push himself.

614
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,720
You know, he likes to just sort 
of take it all in. 

615
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,480
And we're doing a high rocks 
together last year and he was 

616
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,720
just like, oh, it'd be so nice 
for to do something together. 

617
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,680
And then he's like, this is not 
what I've signed up. 

618
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,680
And that's just, you know, we're
totally talking cheeks and yeah.

619
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,720
So. 
So you're the more encouraging 

620
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920
one, shall we say? 
Yeah. 

621
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,440
Is there any distance that he 
like, if you were racing against

622
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,480
each other, both going for it, 
that he would beat you at? 

623
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,040
Would that be marathon or even 
further? 

624
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,600
Or would he get to the point and
say I'm not doing that? 

625
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,600
So I think he would definitely I
would say anything of anything 

626
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,840
from half onwards. 
I still think I would take him 

627
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,960
on on A10 kick if I sure but. 
It sounds like we've got a 10K 

628
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,440
challenge coming up. 
Well, to give him food, I 

629
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,520
thought. 
There's lots of lovely events up

630
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:06,320
north of the border, Lauren. 
Right, out of all the events 

631
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,239
that you've done, all the 
locations, what is your favorite

632
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,000
race? 
So my favorite sort of run, I 

633
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,679
guess I'd, you know, if I'm 
looking at what I've done in 

634
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,639
distance, it has to be Edinburgh
Marathon just because of how 

635
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,080
special that was, you know, for 
me and for for my friends, 

636
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,360
family, in terms of, you know, 
tracks that I run on. 

637
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,600
I guess Madeira was pretty 
special. 

638
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,239
It was in the mountains. 
It was gorgeous, although I 

639
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,480
didn't enjoy the race itself, 
but the track was beautiful, but

640
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,880
favorite, I guess track race 
that I've done. 

641
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,239
I think a standout run for us 
this year was I entered my first

642
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,760
championship race this year and 
I wouldn't before this year, I 

643
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,280
wouldn't end at any race that 
had the world championship in it

644
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,880
because I just thought, you 
know, I'm not I'm not that sort 

645
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,600
of, you know, I'm not good 
enough to be in those sort of 

646
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,400
races and and at a senior 
championship, not even a, you 

647
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,360
know, masters. 
So it was racing with, you know,

648
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,280
younger girls and I put myself 
on a start line with, you know, 

649
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,440
girls with legs that went on 
forever and, you know, just in 

650
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,000
that prime and came first. 
And I got a massive PB in the 

651
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,160
400 meters. 
And it was just like totally 

652
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,200
disbelief that I'd that I'd done
that, that I'd, you know, like I

653
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,320
said, put myself in that 
position in a race that I 

654
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,920
wouldn't have ran when I was a 
senior. 

655
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,440
And, you know, I got, you know, 
just so having that like the 

656
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,320
outcome was just even more 
sweeter as well. 

657
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,760
All. 
Are all tracks the same now? 

658
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,440
No how? 
How do they? 

659
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Differ so they're very different
in that I guess, you know, you 

660
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,160
some people will walk onto a 
track and feel them. 

661
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,200
So when I got to Madeira, 
straight away, one of the guys 

662
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,120
was like who and you, what's the
track like? 

663
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,000
And I said, I've done a lap and 
I went it's all right. 

664
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,040
And he was like, I need more 
than that. 

665
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,440
And he'll go on and he'll touch 
the track and you know, really 

666
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,160
wants to see, you know, is it 
hard? 

667
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,080
Is it spongy? 
And it's you don't want as track

668
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,360
was pretty new, so it was very 
spongy and bouncy, which is 

669
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,120
quite slow. 
But then we've got a track here 

670
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,760
at Gateshead, which is really, 
really hard. 

671
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,920
So then you get no traction from
it at all. 

672
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,240
So it's about, you know, it's 
very, it's very weird how tracks

673
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,720
kind of, you know, differ and 
you know, you can definitely 

674
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,600
feel faster on certain tracks. 
But back in the, I'm guessing 

675
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,640
olden days now you probably 
don't get them cinder tracks. 

676
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,320
Have you ever raced on one of 
them? 

677
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,360
No, no, I haven't. 
And obviously as well, you 

678
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,280
mentioned about you took cross 
country spikes to your first 

679
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,240
race, What? 
What are the actual spikes like 

680
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,320
for track? 
Because that's something I've 

681
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,760
never ever done. 
Are the spikes tiny and are the 

682
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,320
shoes expensive? 
I guess like all shoes that can 

683
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,720
be expensive, can't that? 
I mean some of your running 

684
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:06,320
shoes now, you know, I've got a 
pair of weather alpha flies or 

685
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,760
vapour flies. 
So when I was doing the road, 

686
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,040
I've got a pair of those and I 
would literally warm up in my 

687
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,960
other trainers because I would 
only want to use them for the 

688
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,160
distance that I was running 
because I'm not putting any more

689
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,120
miles on these with how much 
they have cost. 

690
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,640
You know, very much the same 
with spikes. 

691
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,280
You've got, you know, I do have 
like the basically I've got the 

692
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,440
alphas or the vapour flies of, 
of spikes, the spikes version. 

693
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,720
And they've got like a little 
bubbling and the Sprint ones and

694
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,640
they're, you know, quite string 
springing, you know, really push

695
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,720
it on your toes. 
And then I've got some middle 

696
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,360
distance spikes that I'll do 
like my long like Monday night 

697
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,080
training, tonight's training in 
which haven't got that bubbling 

698
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,840
a little bit flat, but honestly 
not a lot to them in terms of 

699
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,000
material or anything. 
So, so light. 

700
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,880
And it's a longer distance shoe.
The manufacturers will tell you 

701
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,440
you'll get 400 miles out of pair
of shoe and then you must change

702
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,320
them. 
Whereas I go with like my my 

703
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,880
body will start hurting in 
certain places and I'll know my 

704
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,360
shooting changed. 
Is it the same with shorter 

705
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,120
distance shoes? 
I got, you know, I guess so 

706
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,600
probably, but I'm quite I like a
new pair of spikes for every 

707
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,000
season. 
So I've never probably really 

708
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,080
wore them in that much. 
Whereas Monroe shoes used to see

709
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,480
me, you know, like you say, and 
I would look at the bottom of 

710
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,000
the tread and there'll be 
nothing there and I'll be like a

711
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,400
few more races that can get out.
Whereas my spikes because 

712
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
because I guess now it is the 
same with Rd. shoes as well, 

713
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,120
because it wasn't when I was 
running on the road. 

714
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,480
But, you know, they bring these 
spikes, the shoes out and the 

715
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,240
same as they bring the spikes 
out that, you know, they're 

716
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,280
faster shoes. 
You know, they've got the, you 

717
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,200
know, carbon plates in and all 
that sort of stuff. 

718
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,000
And the spikes are very much the
same as well. 

719
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,840
But yeah, so if for us as well, 
you know, because we've got the 

720
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,080
spikes, then we can change. 
We can obviously just change 

721
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,560
those, you know, whereas 
obviously, yeah, a road shoes, 

722
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,360
it's the bottoms of them as 
well, isn't it? 

723
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,320
Whereas, you know, we can just 
change the spikes in them in the

724
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,640
bottom and then, you know, we've
basically got new, new grip 

725
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,760
there. 
Yeah, the Super shoes that you 

726
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,840
were talking about, like the 
Alpha flies, Vapor flies, that 

727
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,320
sort of thing, they've got 
carbon fibre in them. 

728
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,000
Is that technology the same in 
track shoes? 

729
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:25,280
Yes, yeah, yeah. 
Are they like hard no no giving 

730
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,240
them? 
Do you not have the cushioning? 

731
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,000
How does it differ? 
I'm not totally sure if I'm 

732
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,480
honest, but we've got like, so 
like I said, the Sprint ones 

733
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,720
have got like a bubble in, 
they've got like a bubble around

734
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:42,320
the bottom, but the material is 
just, there's not a lot to them 

735
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,600
at all. 
The Sprint ones are a little bit

736
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,960
mind certainly are a little bit 
harder at the front and I guess 

737
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,280
it's to accommodate for that 
bubble. 

738
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,840
But then your middle distance 
spikes, I thought if you look at

739
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,240
them, they're pretty flimsy. 
You know, there's not a lot, not

740
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,600
a lot to them at all. 
Yeah, I've got one pair of 

741
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,040
carbon shoes. 
I've hardly like you. 

742
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,800
You don't want to wear them 
unless you really need to wear 

743
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,800
them and they are material, 
holds the shoe on and that's it.

744
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:17,560
There's no comfort or anything. 
Yeah, yeah, I decided once I was

745
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,320
moving on to the trails and 
never doing a road race ever 

746
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,640
again in my life. 
I've started using mouth for 

747
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,560
flies and vapor flies and 
training as a confidence boost 

748
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,800
to make me feel fast. 
I can remember actually when you

749
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,120
got your first pair. 
Yeah, I can remember that you 

750
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,560
got them. 
I'm sure you were telling us 

751
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,360
that you got them. 
A bargain A. 

752
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,400
Bargain. 
Yeah. 

753
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,480
Is that? 
Back wall in the Nike outlet. 

754
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,640
Last pair of Masais. 
I've still got them so they had 

755
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,360
a lot of fun to run in, but I'm 
probably the slowest runner 

756
00:40:53,360 --> 00:41:01,120
that's ever run in them. 
So when you we touched a little 

757
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:06,120
bit as well earlier on what you 
eat during your runs and what 

758
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,600
you eat on the lead up to your 
events and that with your diet 

759
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,600
in general, are you quite strict
with yourself and the track or 

760
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:18,720
is it not quite as bad? 
Because I would imagine from my 

761
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:23,840
perspective, if you're a fast 
track athlete, male, female, 

762
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,000
whatever you would have, would 
you not have to be lighter to be

763
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,560
able to be faster or is that not
the case? 

764
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,360
Though I guess I'm really trying
to learn this year with 

765
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,760
nutrition and it is a minefield,
isn't it? 

766
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,840
And I don't think it matters 
what sort of distance that 

767
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,720
you're running or even if you're
not running, it's a minefield. 

768
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,280
So this year I've really tried 
to put a little bit of focus in 

769
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,880
understanding, you know what, 
what foods, you know, anti 

770
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,280
inflammatories, what foods are 
causing inflammation, what's 

771
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,600
good for us. 
I spent a little bit of time 

772
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,160
tracking calories, which I don't
usually, but just to see what I 

773
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,720
needed in order for my buddy not
to feel fatigued. 

774
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,320
Because if I'm going along to do
a really heavy session, it's 

775
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,520
important. 
It's really important that I hit

776
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520
those times. 
I have to get used to running 

777
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,360
those times and I can't do that 
if if I'm not feeling fuelled. 

778
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,840
So I track and I generally will 
try and eat around about 2500, 

779
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,200
two 1700 calories a day. 
I guess if it's a non training 

780
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,400
day, I'd try and you know, 
around 2500 and if I'm training 

781
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,200
around 2700. 
But you know, and I do try and 

782
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,800
have that, like I say from 
consumers, I try and eat, you 

783
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,760
know, a PITA breads with hummus 
and, you know, carrots and 

784
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,840
cucumber and stuff. 
Whereas I used to eat like a 

785
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,040
Trek bar and I used to think 
that that was healthy or, you 

786
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,920
know, I would have a lot of on 
the go foods that like, you 

787
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,600
know, are labeled as high 
protein. 

788
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,160
And, you know, and I guess I've 
really tried to understand a 

789
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,160
little bit more about actually 
what is actually really good for

790
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,440
us. 
But, you know, I can't sit here 

791
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,960
and say that I sticked, you 
know, my meals are always really

792
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,480
good. 
I always have my overnight oats.

793
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,280
I always have a pit of bread 
stuffed with, you know, a 

794
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,680
chicken breast and some Greek 
yogurt and a bit of salad for 

795
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,600
lunch. 
And then on an evening, you 

796
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,520
know, me and my husband will 
always have like, you know, a 

797
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,520
tea, We'll always make dinner. 
But what I snack on in between 

798
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,160
isn't necessarily always great. 
So like tonight I was going to 

799
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,520
the track and I was like, Oh my 
gosh, I haven't got any like 

800
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,000
protein milk for afterwards. 
I haven't got any good shoes or 

801
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,960
grapes in the fridge. 
So I got the Halloween Skittles.

802
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,600
Do you know, because I thought, 
well, I need something. 

803
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,120
So I got the Skittles and, you 
know, so it isn't always 

804
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,720
perfect, but it's, you know, I 
don't drink alcohol now. 

805
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:25,520
I don't, you know, we used to 
have like, you know, a Friday 

806
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,720
night would be take away night. 
And that was just like a dumb 

807
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:31,040
thing. 
And I think when I started, you 

808
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,920
know, try and get more and more 
competitive and I wanted my 

809
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,760
times to come down. 
I thought, right, OK, when I 

810
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,120
can't have, you know, a few 
glasses of Prosecco and Sydney 

811
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,960
and Indians and then think that 
I'm going to, you know, work 

812
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,120
really hard on Monday when I get
back to the track, it just 

813
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,760
doesn't work. 
So I've really, you know, cut 

814
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,680
that out and stopped those sorts
of foods. 

815
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
But like I say, I'm not saying, 
and I have a cup of tea. 

816
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,840
I don't go into the biscuit jar 
or whatever. 

817
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,800
It's, it's definitely about 
balance. 

818
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,960
It's but I'm trying to, I'm 
trying to just understand a 

819
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,680
little bit more about food. 
And I know Joe Wicks brought 

820
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,240
that thing out and I haven't 
seen it yet. 

821
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,320
Was it licensed to kill? 
Have you seen that? 

822
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,760
He's brought a documentary out. 
So he's brought it. 

823
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,480
I think I know where you're on 
but. 

824
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,200
Yeah. 
He's brought a bit of coach 

825
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,920
make. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

826
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,640
The body coach, he's brought a 
protein bar out. 

827
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,680
So have you not seen this? 
No, I think. 

828
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,560
I've seen a little bit. 
And he's called called it 

829
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,880
license to kill. 
I think if I remember it right, 

830
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,720
he's called it license to kill. 
And he's just basically saying, 

831
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,920
and on one side it's got him, 
you know, flexing and, you know,

832
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,600
looking great. 
And on the other side, it's got 

833
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,840
him like going zombie and just 
saying, you know, if you eat 

834
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,680
this, it may cause cancer, 
diarrhea, you know, and like 

835
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,480
just really frank, honest. 
And he's just so he's done a 

836
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,080
documentary. 
I haven't seen it yet, but he's 

837
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,800
talking about all of the and 
ingredients in these foods that 

838
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,960
are labeled as high protein and 
all that sort of stuff. 

839
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,680
And, you know, marketed and 
advertised to be really good for

840
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,760
women. 
In fact, actually they're not 

841
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,120
great at all. 
And he's not saying that things 

842
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,600
aren't good in moderation. 
You know, he's not saying, you 

843
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,760
know, don't ever eat these. 
He's just saying like have a 

844
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,400
better understanding where I 
would think nothing of having a 

845
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Trek bar every day or a Grenade 
bar every day because I was 

846
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,520
protein and I need it, you know,
And it's just about 

847
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,320
understanding actually where you
know, understand Whole Foods and

848
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,400
like I say, foods that are are 
anti-inflammatory and not 

849
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,120
causing issues. 
See. 

850
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:26,600
See, when you're doing sessions,
you're say you're doing three, 

851
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:33,200
303 weeks in a row. 
All our effort, do you notice a 

852
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,280
difference? 
If you're like, say you're 

853
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,840
having your skills before your 
session or after your session, 

854
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,120
is there a time difference or 
even just a feeling during that 

855
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,520
session? 
So I think not particularly 

856
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,720
probably, but I think after I 
finish a session, I always know 

857
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,040
that I need to get something in 
the reason probably pretty quick

858
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,000
because I've got that by the 
time I do my cool down and then 

859
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,320
I know that I've got 40 minutes 
drive back home. 

860
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,480
Like start and crash. 
If I don't have anything like, 

861
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,880
you know, like a saying and 
whether it's I take a protein 

862
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,200
shake or I take like just some 
grapes or something that I can 

863
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,280
just get into is that I know 
that's just going to keep us 

864
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,240
going till I get back home. 
Otherwise I'll start and crash 

865
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:16,200
and then when I get in, it will 
be a case of trying to grab any 

866
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,640
sugar. 
I think sometimes, you know, I 

867
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,800
took the Skittles tonight and 
sometimes I think it's just a 

868
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,840
habit as well, like thinking, Oh
well I must, I must have 

869
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,560
something, you know. 
So yeah, sometimes it's 

870
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,640
definitely a habit. 
But if I've done a, you know, a 

871
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,760
hard session, or if I've done a 
hard session, I know that I'm 

872
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,320
going in the gym afterwards as 
well. 

873
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,840
I know I'm not surviving that if
I don't have something. 

874
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:43,640
And things like the set 
distances that we do, you're 

875
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,880
taking food on constantly for a 
shorter race, you're obviously 

876
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:55,400
not because every sort of bend 
that you're going to down a gel,

877
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,160
it's not going to happen. 
Would you have a gel before you 

878
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,720
start a race? 
No, no. 

879
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,280
Do you, would you even 
contemplate trying it? 

880
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,080
Would do anybody, does anybody 
else that you know do that sort 

881
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,480
of thing? 
No, not that I know of. 

882
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,800
Well, on about the other day, 
you know, we're all kind of 

883
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,240
lining our supplements out and, 
you know, saying what everybody 

884
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,320
sort of takes and one of the 
guys said that he takes pre 

885
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,240
workout before a race. 
So obviously it's just got 

886
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,440
caffeine in and he was like, you
know, just keeps us switched on 

887
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,720
and ready to go. 
I used to pre workout a lot when

888
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,320
I was training for high rocks 
just because, you know, I guess 

889
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,160
it was that morning workout was 
going at 6:00 in the morning. 

890
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,960
And I even before like the 
actual high rocks events, I 

891
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,280
would take pre workout. 
But I think that was because I, 

892
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,960
you know, there were long 
events, you know, in order to 

893
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,960
keep us going for that length of
length of time, but for like 204

894
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,560
hundred meters. 
And I've never felt that it's 

895
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,960
needed. 
And I don't think, like I say, a

896
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,800
lot of people generally would 
take a gel on. 

897
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,920
Yeah, I I went out for a run 
this morning. 

898
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,720
My normal Wednesday run is 
starting 6:00 in the morning, 10

899
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,520
mile run, but I've only had a 
banana. 

900
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,440
I I take pre workout for that, 
but only because it's got a lot 

901
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,880
of caffeine in it. 
I don't drink tea or coffee 

902
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,640
because I don't like the taste, 
so that wakens me up in the 

903
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,560
morning. 
I know that's the same for me. 

904
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,840
I drink decaf tea. 
So I think it was that 6:00 

905
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,160
getting us up and getting us, 
you know, and I knew that my 

906
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,520
session would be an hour in the 
gym and had seen us through 

907
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,360
that. 
Whereas, you know, for the 200 

908
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,680
meters, as long as I feel right,
then my body should feel OK to 

909
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,480
get through. 
You know, less than 60 seconds. 

910
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,720
You mentioned time like 6:00 in 
the morning, but your session 

911
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,600
tonight was at night. 
Do you? 

912
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,480
Is there a particular time of 
day that you train? 

913
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,640
So my gym sessions are generally
always, we do a little bit of 

914
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,400
gym after track, but my main gym
sessions are generally always 

915
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,320
6:00 in the morning because that
has no impact on, you know, 

916
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,880
family life, kids, and it can 
just kind of be going go and get

917
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,480
back and the kids aren't even 
out of bed. 

918
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,280
But obviously my sessions at the
track are always an evening. 

919
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,040
So you might have already have 
answered this, Lauren, We're not

920
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,520
sure. 
I just don't want to assume what

921
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,240
the answer might be to this. 
But what do you feel is your 

922
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:29,880
biggest running achievement? 
So I guess, I guess it hasn't 

923
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,720
came probably from a time or a 
medal at all. 

924
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,800
It's probably come from, I think
the money raised, you know, 

925
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,040
again, just going back to that, 
you know, fundraising and and 

926
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,400
that sort of there, that was a 
real big achievement from 

927
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,240
running. 
And I think it's overcoming the 

928
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,280
barriers of, you know, this 
year. 

929
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,120
I said to myself, no excuses. 
And I've really held myself 

930
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,080
accountable to that. 
And I've not let myself, you 

931
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,760
know, in the past, I've thought 
you get tired, you know, you've 

932
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,840
had a hard day. 
You're OK to skip a session. 

933
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,680
You know, whereas this time I've
said, I don't want to go. 

934
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,560
I don't want to go. 
And I've sent my husband loads 

935
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,440
at times as, yeah, I just can't 
be bothered. 

936
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,560
And he's like, well, don't go. 
And I'm like, I have to go. 

937
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,360
You know what? 
Like, my motivation can be 

938
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,440
really low sometimes. 
But, you know, I'm holding 

939
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,240
myself accountable because I've 
set goals. 

940
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:20,200
And if I don't hit them and I 
know that it's because I haven't

941
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,760
worked for them and that's on 
me. 

942
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,320
If I don't hit them and I've 
worked as hard as I can, then 

943
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,000
that that's OK because I know 
that I've really put everything 

944
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,320
that I've had into it. 
I think if you're really 

945
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,400
passionate about an event or a 
race or a goal that you have, I 

946
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,760
actually feel that the gill of 
missing that session is worse 

947
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,840
than not doing it, so you're 
just better to do it. 

948
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,680
I know, I know. 
Definitely. 

949
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,080
That's, you know, 100% So, yeah.
And you never come away from it.

950
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,120
You know, I never come back from
a session and think I shouldn't 

951
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,240
have done that. 
You know, like I go and I come 

952
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,400
back and, you know, you know, 
you know, you're going to feel 

953
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,240
better afterwards, don't you? 
You know, you're going to feel 

954
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,040
good for it. 
But you know, when, when 

955
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,960
motivation is really low, it is 
tough. 

956
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,560
But this year I've said no 
excuses and I've meant it. 

957
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,360
And that's, you know, a really 
big achievement that I haven't, 

958
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,160
you know, that I've held myself 
accountable and stuck to it. 

959
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,560
And obviously that consistency 
has paid off. 

960
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,960
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
And you, you mentioned earlier 

961
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,360
you did your 100K, you've done 
the marathon and, well, the 

962
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,800
100K. 
Anyway, you were thinking, why 

963
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,520
am I doing this? 
I hate this. 

964
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,880
Yeah. 
Going down the distances down to

965
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,800
say 200 meters, You're coming 
round the bend. 

966
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,560
What are you thinking about? 
Do you know, it's, yeah, 

967
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,720
probably not really thinking all
that much. 

968
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:51,280
I think it's, you know, on a 
200m race, you go out hard and 

969
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,840
whoever wins is the person who 
slows the least. 

970
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,840
You know, that there's not a lot
of tactics into it. 

971
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,440
It's get around that bend as 
quick as you can and you come 

972
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,200
off and you just, it's over so 
quick. 

973
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,400
So I don't, I don't like the 100
because it is too short for me. 

974
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,440
Because I'm like, you start and 
you finish and people say, hey, 

975
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,360
how was that? 
And I'm like, well, I don't 

976
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,560
know, 30 seconds. 
I'm not quite sure, you know, 

977
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,720
like it's just over the 200. 
I like, because you've got, I 

978
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,320
like a bend And I, you know, I 
really love coming off a bend, 

979
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,360
the bend, the best part of my 
race. 

980
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,480
But yeah, not a lot of time to 
think. 

981
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,880
You've probably got a little bit
more time in the 400 and, you 

982
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,640
know, but I'm really just 
checking in with myself, you 

983
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,000
know, reminding yourself, right,
relax, keep your form. 

984
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,120
It's important not to try. 
And, you know, I think people 

985
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,680
might think that the 400, 
although it's a Sprint, is go 

986
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,400
out as hard as you can and hold 
on. 

987
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,520
That's definitely not the thing 
to do because you're blown up if

988
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,360
you do that. 
So it's important not to get 

989
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,840
carried away and go with people,
but to be able to react when you

990
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,240
need to. 
So I guess I'm on the phone, but

991
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:56,080
I'm generally just thinking, you
know, checking in with myself. 

992
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,520
How's your phone? 
How are you doing? 

993
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:02,920
You know, stay, stay focused. 
So is around 400 meters the the 

994
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,840
first time that tactics become a
thing? 

995
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,080
So if somebody else is going out
too fast, or maybe they're even 

996
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,000
trying to make you go faster. 
Yeah, definitely. 

997
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,280
So that was that was a race, 
what I've done in August where I

998
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,560
knew my biggest competition was 
about four lanes away from me. 

999
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,520
So we're really spread apart and
I thought, right, I'm going to 

1000
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,880
go out as hard as I can and this
is where I blew up and catch her

1001
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,200
up. 
And then I'm going to put a lot 

1002
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,200
of pressure on her and I'm 
coming first. 

1003
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,920
It didn't work that way. 
I caught her up, I blew up, she 

1004
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,680
blew up. 
And then we're both fought each 

1005
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,400
other to the line in in 
Chapiptes. 

1006
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,400
But then it was funny because 
then when I ran the British 

1007
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,000
Champs, I was in the outside 
lane, so I thought might well, 

1008
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,720
I've got, you know, everybody's 
kind of can see me. 

1009
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,960
I can't see them, but I'm going 
to go out hard so that everybody

1010
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,960
follows us. 
And then I know, you know, I 

1011
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,480
knew that I could relax around 
the bend and go again, whereas 

1012
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,720
they would probably still be 
pushing to try and keep up with 

1013
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,560
us. 
So yeah, there's definitely 

1014
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,680
tactics in it. 
Not as much that I would say 

1015
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,160
that it's involved in like the 
800 and the 1500 meters when you

1016
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,360
have to break, you know, and 
you've got a lot of sort of 

1017
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,760
elbowing and all that sort of 
stuff, which I've never been 

1018
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,960
involved in because I've never 
ran those races competitively. 

1019
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,800
But, and yeah, there's 
definitely some tactics to it. 

1020
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,000
So and our the distances that we
tend to run events and things 

1021
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,880
like that, we a lot of us tend 
to take shots at volunteering 

1022
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,520
and similar with park runs as 
well do. 

1023
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,320
I thought you were just going to
stop a shot. 

1024
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,760
Do do you? 
Is it the same in the Track 

1025
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,640
World that like when there's 
competitions and events, do you 

1026
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,240
all have to take tons of 
volunteering and marshalling and

1027
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:53,720
what have you? 
But don't know. 

1028
00:54:53,720 --> 00:55:01,120
So you have to be like qualified
to be able to volunteer at the 

1029
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,280
track. 
So I'm so ignorant of this. 

1030
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,840
Please excuse us and don't take 
what I say about gospel. 

1031
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:12,000
But so you do have to have done 
like an officiating course to be

1032
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,720
an official on a track. 
So I know that much is true. 

1033
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,160
But yeah, so you they couldn't 
just turn up and, you know, I 

1034
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,480
would be sitting taking time. 
So whatever. 

1035
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,520
You can't do that. 
So, yeah, you have to be. 

1036
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,600
So there's generally, you know, 
and I mean, there's one of 

1037
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,280
Harris's, my son. 
Sorry, my son's one of my son's 

1038
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,200
coaches for more, Well, for more
with running club. 

1039
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,680
He coaches from up with running 
club. 

1040
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,360
And my son just runs with their 
little group. 

1041
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,040
He they, him and his wife go all
over. 

1042
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,600
So they were at Derby, you know,
officiating for the British 

1043
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,720
champs, you know, the officials,
there was officials from here. 

1044
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:50,720
That was over in Madeira, you 
know, And it's quite like, yeah.

1045
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Does it tend to be people that 
used to run themselves that go 

1046
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,760
into the coaching and the 
official shooting? 

1047
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Yeah, people that used to run 
themselves or people that have 

1048
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,360
got their children running, you 
know, whether they're younger or

1049
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,960
older, they generally kind of 
then get involved. 

1050
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:10,760
So, yeah. 
And it was nice to see some 

1051
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,240
familiar faces from, you know, 
track meetings here officiating 

1052
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,680
over in Madeira. 
Definitely. 

1053
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,720
And we asked about are all 
tracks the same? 

1054
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,840
Are all locations like you're, 
you're within a stadium? 

1055
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,240
Is there a bucket list that 
you'd have? 

1056
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,720
An ideal track, an ideal 
location, An ideal event, 

1057
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,880
Anything. 
I would like to go to so the 

1058
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,160
obviously I've done the masters 
Europeans that'll be again in 

1059
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,000
two years time in Finland next 
year. 

1060
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,880
It's the world masters and I, I 
wouldn't, I'll not go next year,

1061
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,600
but I'd like to maybe go when 
I'm V40 or maybe it's even V45. 

1062
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,440
And it'll all kind of really 
just depend on I guess, you 

1063
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,120
know, the kids and the location 
and you know, if it's convenient

1064
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,760
because if I was going to the 
world's, I would want to be 

1065
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,080
there for the relays. 
And do you know the two weeks 

1066
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,840
and I'll, you know, the kids 
would have to be there with us. 

1067
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,240
So probably be when they're a 
little bit older, but definitely

1068
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,160
something that I would love to 
do. 

1069
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,160
And I think, you know, I've got 
a lot of growing in confidence 

1070
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,800
to do before that. 
That does. 

1071
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:25,080
Is there different races for say
you said start AV 35 well senior

1072
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,800
before that and then it's every 
five years or is there different

1073
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,560
ones for each one? 
Yeah, so, so at Madeira or like 

1074
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,160
any race, like the British 
champs, you've got like it goes 

1075
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,280
up in the five years, but then 
all the events are the same for 

1076
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,440
each age category. 
And I have to say, and not that 

1077
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,720
I met him, but there was AV 90 
for Great Britain in Madeira 

1078
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,200
running the 400 and he was 
called Colin Spivey. 

1079
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,960
So, and I only know this because
obviously I was, we were just 

1080
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,880
sitting, me and my husband were 
just sitting looking at all the 

1081
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,040
and I was like, Oh my gosh, 
that's B 90 and I was 3 V 90s. 

1082
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,320
You know, one of them was GB. 
He took the gold in Madeira and 

1083
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,040
I so I googled, well, I put him 
in a power of 10. 

1084
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,040
He runs Park Run every week in 
30 minutes. 90 year old. 

1085
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,360
A lot of life goals still beat 
me up, absolutely. 

1086
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,800
Like, isn't it for everybody? 
You know, it's it's for 

1087
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,920
everybody, Yeah. 
So, so yeah. 

1088
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,560
So it goes up every five years. 
So you would raise your age 

1089
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,040
category, but every event is the
same. 

1090
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,480
So you would run the 400 whether
you're AV35 or 3V50 or V-90. 

1091
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:37,200
Just before we move back on to 
the formal question set, there's

1092
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,200
only a couple left anyway, law 
room, but just one that's came 

1093
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,040
into my head there. 
Do you ever do cross country or 

1094
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,480
anything like that? 
No, that was a one time gig, 

1095
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,280
yeah. 
But you've got the shoes. 

1096
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,360
Absolutely. 
No cross country looks far too 

1097
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,000
hard. 
When I was trying this whole 

1098
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,760
distance thing and yeah, didn't 
work out for us. 

1099
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,880
See when you're doing your at 
least 100 meters, 200 meters 

1100
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,240
probably for you starting 
starting blocks. 

1101
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,480
So I don't and I haven't all 
Yeah. 

1102
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:22,560
And I've had some blocks for 
about 5 years and this and it 

1103
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,720
was sort of said when I've said 
to my coach that I wanted to go 

1104
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,800
to my dairies, like we need to 
get in blocks. 

1105
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,840
You said you can't go to the 
Europeans and not be in blocks. 

1106
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,480
And we tried it for a few 
training sessions, but I was 

1107
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,720
more focused on how I was coming
out of the blocks as opposed to 

1108
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,840
hitting the target times. 
And it was impacting my training

1109
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,720
sessions because I was like, oh,
you know, I can feel that I'm 

1110
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,760
not coming out right. 
So then I was thinking about how

1111
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,080
I started the race. 
Well, how I started the, you 

1112
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,760
know, the Rep as opposed to what
my job was, you know, in terms 

1113
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,560
of time or hitting, hitting 
those targets. 

1114
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,520
So I just said I'm like, I just,
I'm not comfortable. 

1115
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,720
And I think that it probably, 
you know, adds to the impostor 

1116
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,120
syndrome because everybody was 
in blocks and especially at, you

1117
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,640
know, the British champs and 
then, um, the Europeans. 

1118
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,440
The blocks are in your laying 
ready for you. 

1119
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,440
And when we got when I was at 
the Europeans and I'm saying to 

1120
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,560
the guy are can you take my 
blocks away? 

1121
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,320
He didn't speak English, he 
didn't understand the blocks. 

1122
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,320
And I'm saying no. 
And I'm thinking everybody's 

1123
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,680
practising their strides out and
I'm standing here trying to 

1124
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,000
communicate that I don't want 
these blocks and my nerves are 

1125
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,400
just, you know, like, yeah, so 
we've got a plan. 

1126
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,760
So we're working on like a four 
week block at the minute. 

1127
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,720
So I've started with sort of 
rolling starts are falling into 

1128
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,600
them. 
Then I've done 3 point starts so

1129
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,920
that's where you're going to a 
Crouch and one arms up and then 

1130
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,480
I've got my Crouch starts and 
then we'll go into blocks. 

1131
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,360
So it's kind of, I already do 
Crouch starts but he kind of 

1132
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,560
just wants to go back to really 
the beginning and go back to 

1133
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,800
basics. 
And when is a good time to do 

1134
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,720
because I haven't got 
competitions coming up. 

1135
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,080
So I've got a good time just to 
get some good training block in 

1136
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,000
and hopefully I'll go to the 
Scottish Masters indoors, I'm 

1137
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,840
hoping in February and I'll be 
flying out of them blocks. 

1138
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,040
So when you go to the gym, what 
kind of exercises are you doing?

1139
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:09,320
Are you doing specific for say 
like calf raises to strengthen 

1140
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:14,440
your getting out the blocks I 
guess or is it just a sort of 

1141
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,080
general all round fitness 
regime? 

1142
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,800
No, yeah, it's better. 
And that's something that I've 

1143
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,680
had to, you know, get used to 
adapting new and adjusting this 

1144
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,760
year because I used to train 
with some girls in the gym, but 

1145
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,760
would do very much like, you 
know, probably a lot of high 

1146
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,560
rocks, you know, type training 
because I think that is quite 

1147
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,920
big in the gyms at the moment. 
It's certainly everywhere down 

1148
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,400
here. 
Or do, like you say, just 

1149
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,160
general fitness stuff. 
And I've kind of had to get used

1150
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,360
to training solo now because 
nobody else is doing, like you 

1151
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,840
say, the calf raises. 
You know, I'll do a lot of 

1152
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,760
cleans or I'll do a lot of like 
quota squats, you know, where 

1153
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,120
I'm really using as lightweight 
to make sure that that reps 

1154
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,160
explosive as opposed to trying 
to go heavy into a deep squat. 

1155
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,080
So yeah, and I'll do a lot of 
stuff that, you know, I'll have 

1156
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,600
a barbell and, you know, on my 
back and then I'll have a couple

1157
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,200
of plates and I'll just be 
stepping onto them. 

1158
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,440
That's all I'll be doing, you 
know, and it doesn't look like a

1159
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,080
lot, but it's kind of just 
getting you getting those shapes

1160
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,680
right. 
So yeah, it's definitely 

1161
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,240
different to what I've been used
to, but I have enjoyed it. 

1162
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,000
So moving back on to the formal 
question set and as we say, just

1163
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,200
a couple more left, but this is 
a question we really like to ask

1164
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,560
all the guests. 
So is there anyone that you 

1165
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:32,320
would love to run with, like 
your bucket list running buddy, 

1166
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,120
whether it be real or not, 
fictional or not, here with us 

1167
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,320
or not? 
Yeah. 

1168
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:43,040
So it has to be Shelly Ann 
Fraser Price, no? 

1169
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:49,360
So Jamaican sprinter. 
She is an absolute icon in the 

1170
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:54,200
sprinting world. 
She is probably, I think only 

1171
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,520
one. 
It maybe is one of, or you know,

1172
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,000
very few of the only female 
sprinter that's run through 

1173
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,280
three decades and got world 
titles in all three decades. 

1174
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:09,520
You know, she's a mum. 
I think she just embodies joy. 

1175
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,120
When you see her on the track, 
she embodies joy, but so much 

1176
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,520
resilience. 
You know, she's had a lot of 

1177
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,760
injuries. 
She's you know, she's been at 

1178
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,280
the top of a game and she'll, 
you know, she still comes to 

1179
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,240
raise and compete even though 
she's not at the level, you 

1180
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,720
know, of where the others are 
now, the younger ones. 

1181
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,680
But and I say that, but you 
know, she's still coming, you 

1182
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,320
know, high up and running 
incredibly fast times. 

1183
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,440
She's very much been a mentor 
towards the new Jamaican 

1184
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,800
sprinters that are up and 
coming. 

1185
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,160
And I just think, yeah, it's 
just quite flamboyant. 

1186
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,640
Just got, you know, she's always
got different wigs on rainbow 

1187
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:43,160
colour hair and just radiates 
like you just see it and walk on

1188
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,480
and just so much energy. 
And yeah, I think the mum thing 

1189
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,400
for me as well always, you know,
it's something that you always 

1190
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:50,960
respect, don't you? 
When that you when there's 

1191
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,480
somebody who you know, whether 
it's you know, Joe blogs on the 

1192
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,000
street, that's you know a moment
she's just getting up and she's 

1193
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,880
doing park when she's you know, 
it's just it's a lot when you 

1194
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,280
know when you've got a lot on at
home and stuff. 

1195
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,120
So I just think anybody doing it
but then like to do it at that 

1196
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,160
level and for that long is 
incredible. 

1197
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,840
One of our wigs on and. 
I think that's the thing that 

1198
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,080
sticks out. 
It's the the name. 

1199
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,000
I wasn't sure who it was I 
looked at, but yeah, it's the 

1200
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,560
the Jamaican runner with the 
bright red hair or bright green 

1201
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,640
or whatever. 
Whatever it is this week, you 

1202
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,920
know her if you see her. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1203
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,920
Yeah, definitely, definitely. 
So are you going to have 

1204
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,840
Flamboyant here the next time 
you're racing? 

1205
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,280
I'm very much a plain Jane. 
It's whatever I've had time to 

1206
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,840
do in the morning. 
But yeah, if Shelly borrowed as 

1207
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:49,000
a wig, I would wear it. 
And it definitely wouldn't be 

1208
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,120
washed first. 
You have to. 

1209
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,840
No, you can't wash the lock off.
No. 

1210
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,080
It's not luck, it's hard work. 
It's. 

1211
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,280
What graph? 
That's why I corrected it. 

1212
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,720
Yeah. 
So to wrap us up for tonight, 

1213
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,800
tell us what is next. 
So I am hoping that I'll do. 

1214
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,200
I've never done an indoors 
before and I don't know if 

1215
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,040
you've seen the tracks, but 
they're very different. 

1216
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,040
So that curved tracks. 
So you very much run on a bank 

1217
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,440
and that 200 meter track. 
So you split, you do a break, I 

1218
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,480
think at the 1:50 for the 400. 
So I'm hoping that I will run my

1219
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,120
first indoors this year, next 
year, sorry. 

1220
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,360
So and I'm thinking that I'm 
going to target the Scottish 

1221
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,080
masters in Glasgow. 
I've heard that it is one of the

1222
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:41,440
best tracks, indoor tracks. 
It's meant to be, it's meant to 

1223
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,160
be really, really good. 
It certainly might be, I think, 

1224
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,840
the Holy Grail of tracks around 
here. 

1225
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,240
So yes, I'm going to target 
that. 

1226
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,400
I would like to think that I can
keep training going and retain 

1227
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:58,120
the V-35 British champ title at 
least for the 400 next year. 

1228
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,720
I really hope that's on a date 
that I can go to. 

1229
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,440
I know. 
Nikki, I'll be wanting a 

1230
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,840
trackside ticket. 
I'm sure I could probably blag 

1231
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,360
one make it's fine. 
Absolutely. 

1232
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,920
Well, that's brought us to a 
close. 

1233
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,280
Unless Nikki's got any other 
questions that's came in mind. 

1234
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:30,320
Well, thank you for an insight 
to a running experience that 

1235
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:35,320
I've never had before. 
I just said thank you for coming

1236
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,320
on, Thank you Nikki for being 
Nikki, and it's goodbye from me.

1237
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,000
Thanks Wardham. 
No, thank you both so much, it's

1238
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,920
been a pleasure. 
Right. 

1239
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,040
Thank you. 
Take care, bye.