1 00:00:21,220 --> 00:00:24,940 Hello and welcome to another episode of Run Till You're Done. 2 00:00:25,620 --> 00:00:27,380 This month and the month of February. 3 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:33,300 It is raising the Wellness in the UK for cardiac health and 4 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:35,180 this Heart Month. So what? 5 00:00:35,180 --> 00:00:37,620 I'm for a treat with this week's guest. 6 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,880 He's had an array of cardiac issues which he's going to be 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,480 talking about, but beyond that, what treat we are in for, he is 8 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,960 some runner. Just a couple of highlights. 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,840 He's ran UT MB five times. He's completed the West Highland 10 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Way 11 * 10 of which have been sub 24 hours. 11 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,480 He's went up and down Ben Nevis 15 times in the race. 12 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,640 He's probably done it way more than that and he's completed all 13 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,400 the Monroes in Scotland. I can't wait to see find out 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:12,800 more about this guy. Mike. 15 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,960 Welcome to the show, Bob Allison. 16 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,760 Thank you very much for asking me, it's a pleasure. 17 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:26,240 Welcome on the show, Bob. Nikki didn't know before she 18 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,320 tried to introduce you for the show that I, I've known you for 19 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:33,120 a long time. So the the resume wasn't as much 20 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,360 of A shock to me as she, she's getting really excited about it. 21 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,920 So we've got a lot to talk about. 22 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,320 But right from the start, tell us the question that we ask 23 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:43,960 everybody. How did you first get into 24 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:47,920 running? Well, I wasn't really sporty 25 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,280 when I was at the school, played a wee bit for the school team 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,320 but I was I wasn't very good and the coach just seems to forget. 27 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,720 I've been trying to get the ball Bob just try and take the man 28 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,560 down as it was in the 70s attitude towards 2 ball. 29 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,120 But I got into motorcycles in a big way at 16. 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,400 And is that pretty much occupied? 31 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,840 Was a massive interest for like a couple of few decades almost 32 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,160 and just generally socialized, travelling about Europe, the 33 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,840 motorbike, touring and got the Isle of Man TT and a long time 34 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,040 ago flopping in Ibiza, Majorca, Crete, everywhere like that. 35 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,320 Great fun. But then my wife had been 36 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,800 trouble when they meet the horses, the gynecological 37 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,360 problem that affects unfortunately a massive amount 38 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,600 of women and it caused chronic pain, adhesions and all the 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,680 stuff under the sun. So she'd be glad to be 40 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:52,920 restricted to what she could do. So in her early 30s, we had to 41 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:58,480 have a lifestyle change. And after a hysterectomy at that 42 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,240 point, I will run for small walks as you're supposed to do. 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,920 And my walks are a wee bit bigger and bigger one more. 44 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:10,040 And, and then I tried to jog a bit and I was sneaking out in 45 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,920 the darkness with a coat and that one in the winter and 46 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:14,720 jogging a wee bit and walking a wee bit. 47 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,680 Then after a couple of months, I I decided once I do a run around 48 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,040 my scheme in a one hour, it was a bit 2 miles. 49 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,960 I'm going to come out as a runner. 50 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,640 I think I got my shorts like Vegas and so on and an old 51 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:30,800 T-shirt and I think I've seen the neighbors curtains fiction 52 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,400 like Oh, Bob's a runner. And I came out and and then I 53 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,560 started running, of course, stop smoking in 93. 54 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:45,200 It coincided with us and trying to generally get better health. 55 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:51,400 And I also went for walks up the woman's and and we're going to 56 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,200 love that. We're going to feel great for 57 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,440 you fitter. And I mean, it took me up going 58 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,080 cool and and said we're going to walk up something called an 59 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,640 enrol, which I have no idea what. 60 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,240 It was just a big mountain in Glencoe. 61 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,000 So went up there, broke every rule under the sun, came off the 62 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,320 wrong side. A booger left Moore pouring of 63 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,800 rain. Navigational challenge was 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,800 understatement. And then I just sort of went 65 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,839 more and more. I started going circuit training 66 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,960 three times a week at lunchtimes and became really, really 67 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,000 addicted to it. And it helped me mentally cope 68 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:36,990 because I tried to look after pain management and cope 69 00:04:36,990 --> 00:04:40,630 mechanisms etcetera, etcetera. So the run and definitely help 70 00:04:41,070 --> 00:04:45,150 be creating another level of stress there trying to get home 71 00:04:45,150 --> 00:04:47,910 before I go pick her up at work and all. 72 00:04:47,910 --> 00:04:50,310 I know I'm going to have to run faster and I'm up the hills and 73 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:52,280 I'm saying this is over ambitious. 74 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,640 I'm going to have to run with the boots on to get back to the 75 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,800 car because I'd say they'll be back at a certain time. 76 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:04,560 This is pre mobile phone, so it was a pretty rapid upswing to 77 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,120 just think I'm going to get fit, I'm going to stop smoking, we're 78 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,920 going to have to change your lifestyle really. 79 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,240 And Bob, what was your first race that you entered? 80 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,920 How did you go from your walk in going up the Monroes to actually 81 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:24,160 entering your first formal race? The first race was the growth of 82 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:31,240 South Marathon in May 1995 and not first year. 83 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:37,160 I did the towards each, each races. 84 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,520 I got to do that first year for the 1:50, I got this half, the 85 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,040 1:35, I have a Feldy and then the next, Between that year and 86 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,960 next year, I've done 25 half marathons and six marathons and 87 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,320 just couldn't get enough. Would go down to 131 1/2 and 88 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,280 just loved it. And they gave us something to do 89 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,600 because we drive the local half marathon staircase. 90 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Whatever marked the calendar, they would come along, bring a 91 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,480 book, we'd find out a coffee shop. 92 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,280 He'd go away and have a couple of scones and our coffee. 93 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,200 I go and run a date and and and finish the race and and then we 94 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,720 meet, meet lots of people when and they just went, went from 95 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,240 there like so that was that was the first phase, probably about 96 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:31,360 330 since then. And 330 you've been back to a 97 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:37,240 lot of them a lot of times like UT MB five times W hand way 11. 98 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,560 What keeps pulling you back to the the races that you you've 99 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,320 done? Is it because you like them or 100 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,880 is there other reasons? Well I like with individual 101 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,960 events that when I was begun doing ultras I looked at Western 102 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,880 States, Leadville, Hard Rock. I've always wanted to do the 103 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,120 MD's as well Martin De Sable, but these races then wanted an 104 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:09,640 ECG from it and I didn't want to go America and feel the ECG 105 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,160 because I had arrhythmia from about 2002. 106 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,160 Also a deal with me and our condition to travel long 107 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,160 distances in our flight and and there was only really me helping 108 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,760 them along. So I didn't want to be away for 109 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,160 a week myself and I didn't know anybody that was doing that 110 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,160 stuff. Then really to to travel abroad 111 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,960 way. So the West Island way. 112 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,400 I remember starting doing hill races in 2002 and then looking 113 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,160 at the Scottish Hill racing who were on a fixture calendar and 114 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,760 seen the West Island way and it said 90 foot in murder. 115 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,800 Thought that must be a mistake. That's a bloody long Hillary 116 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,920 slot like. And then I got an entry form 117 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:57,000 2002 from Dario, the one and only Dario, really nice guy 118 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,480 Daria Miller angry the face director when I got involved. 119 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,240 And then I I started and looked at anything first. 120 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,240 I know I should farted back. I've done a 50K at that point 121 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,840 space my way, but they jumped from there. 122 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,080 But then I went back to this new sea and and and had a go at it. 123 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,560 But the West Island way, that's your home race in Scotland. 124 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,080 It's a wonderful order now says it's a great trail. 125 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,400 I started going and training on the West Island, waiting day 126 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,160 trips, you know, probably done at least 35 times in both 127 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,159 directions doing the race and training and the fling and then 128 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,640 a mate mentioned or you've got to go to the offices. 129 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,240 This race stood in there called Ultra Trail won't block. 130 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,360 You'll love it because I was loving the mountains. 131 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,240 But that time I finished on the Monroes. 132 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,480 And so again I went across there. 133 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,760 I couldn't believe the the scale of the mountains, the 134 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,400 jaggedness, the snow, the buzzing, the tune, the just 135 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,640 incredible. And it was the same way 136 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,480 Transville Carnia, my wife enjoyed the holiday there like 137 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,480 went to La Palma a couple of weeks in an all inclusive hotel, 138 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,960 snowed in pools. And I just started to do this 139 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,520 things called the Transville Carnia that I'd seen on 140 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,400 Eurosport. It was Nadesh when Kelly was 141 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,960 just beginning become a household name and Eurosport 142 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,200 were put in a golden trail and just sky running bases. 143 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,080 So again, went by there because I got to know people from 144 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,760 England that went, stayed in the same hotel. 145 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,160 There's a great buzz organization in the hotel and 146 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,760 got to know some of them. And the route was just 147 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,840 spectacular. The friend Flemisted Island, the 148 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,920 finish, there was a band playing in a platform, smoke machines, 149 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,200 the full works are just just an amazing, amazing occasion. 150 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,040 So all these races are just the community. 151 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,320 It suited us logistics wise. I knew about a bit of the event, 152 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,840 I knew people that went, the camaraderie, the environment, 153 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:02,760 just just fantastic. And then that's my health for 154 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,280 the atrial arrhythmias through this. 155 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,760 And it was I had a mass training. 156 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:13,960 So to actually embark upon someone purely as a race wasn't 157 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,680 even on my radar anymore and they failed to develop just a 158 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,000 huge adventure that incorporate the holiday with other people. 159 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,240 And that's why I'll keep going back to you, a lot of them, time 160 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,440 and time again. And Bob, I'm going to be totally 161 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,720 selfish here and ask my first question that is not on the 162 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,000 question set, so apologies if this springs on you. 163 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,880 West Highland Way. You say you've done it over 35 164 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,840 times. I am keeping everything crossed 165 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,760 and doing my first fling this year. 166 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Any tips? Any tips? 167 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,920 Well, just the usual ones. Nikki, get on the route, what 168 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,080 you're doing regularly. I'm following your straw and 169 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,760 everything and it's great. Get out there, do sections on 170 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:05,320 it, nutrition. Just just try and work out what 171 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,800 you're doing in each section, what works and what doesn't 172 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,920 work. The terrain you're getting 173 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,200 familiar with previous routine that starts at what 6 in the 174 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:19,080 morning, just figuring out all these type of things, having 175 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,040 enough kit could be terrible weather. 176 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Just just the standard stuff that's so available now and just 177 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,520 to try to apply what works for you. 178 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:34,080 I mean I always did regular training routes like mole guy to 179 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,080 Balmaha back to mole guy, Balmaha to Bangalore back to 180 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:44,120 Balmaha, the whole Derry Darris bang glass up to forest lodge. 181 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:50,280 Never like doing the rather than sharing I thought it was just 182 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,360 bleak and if you're running OK it was fine but it's just you 183 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,680 can see so far in front, so abandoned that. 184 00:11:56,680 --> 00:12:00,200 But then always then the King's House to Braveheart car park and 185 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,040 park to King's House. And these are long days and I 186 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,280 know people like to get the boss and share it with other people 187 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,760 which is great. But I was on moan so I was 188 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,640 pretty happy to park the car and if I turned back, it was a 189 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,600 failure. So I had to mentally go to the 190 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,480 other end and then come back. So you had to go through that 191 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,800 process and mentally plus every common point like for Balmahar 192 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,320 to Bangalore, I knew how long and roughly it would take me to 193 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,360 get to the river there. And then there's need being 194 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,520 glass and I would look to do the same speed on the way back 195 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,560 roughly. And that gave me an idea of 196 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,160 patient. So I wasn't going it too fast 197 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,720 and in eight days I was just writing and doing a bit of paper 198 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,120 and there's occasionally an appalling weather of looked long 199 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,640 and wet walkers that they were getting into soaps and feel 200 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,360 miserable. And we'll ask this guy for a 201 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,720 lift back to bowl after noble. If you do that, you're going to 202 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:02,440 get in the car. 5 minutes ago. I failed so please let me So it 203 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,040 was as much metal and do not remember 2005. 204 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,960 It's pouring the rain in February going through Balma 205 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,680 hearted been glass and in these days there wasn't so many 206 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:17,200 bridges or easy bits to cross some of the streams and I was 207 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,800 looking at to try and jump. That's the stream not that far 208 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,720 from the end of the offside and a slot the forehead and there's 209 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,160 an overhead branch nearly not for sale. 210 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Look, blood running in the forehead and I thought I was 211 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,440 dizzy for a bit and I thought I should just unbark me and forget 212 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,720 the last two or she may a lot be doing both in that. 213 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,040 But that's all. No, if I go back, I'll feel 214 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,720 better. I should have kept going. 215 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,760 So crazy stuff. But it does help you to sort of 216 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:47,560 dig in, drawing all your resources and just just channel 217 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,800 your inner grit and and get across one form after another. 218 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,240 Small sex, next checkpoint, the next drop bar, the next three, 219 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,000 next gate, the next bit along the lost side and there won't be 220 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,240 problems. I've never had a flame that I 221 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,200 didn't get cramp climbing across that style to purely I don't 222 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,680 know if it's still there. There was a wooden style and 223 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:10,200 then rice and a bit on the ground. 224 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,200 It's just as a metal big gate and then there was a fence and 225 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,640 you had to climb over that probably probably changed me, 226 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,960 but always had cramp there always had issues. 227 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,000 And if you have a a great run for start to finish, you're very 228 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,800 lucky, so I'm sure you don't. Think the style. 229 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,880 I don't think the style is there anymore. 230 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,400 I think it's possibly just a gate or something there now. 231 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:40,120 Right, and neither is the the 50 minutes to hang on to the wire 232 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,560 fence in the West are way beyond Ben Glass. 233 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,760 It was there in 2003 and the triangle fall in the river when 234 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,160 before they built that extra path and drained it and put all 235 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,640 the gravel in. Like getting on the route, 236 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,000 realizing what you have pointed up against and so many people in 237 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,720 there. You could chat away if that's 238 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,280 your thing or help people out. Or rather give people 239 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,920 paracetamol and gels and bars and encourage them and help 240 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,440 them. Call or you're nearly there. 241 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,920 You'll be fine. It's walk a bit and great 242 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,120 adventure. Great dude. 243 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,040 And that's a fantastic organized event as well so you'll love it 244 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,000 I'm sure. You'll be fine. 245 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Thank you so much. Just be I'm, I'm really 246 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,800 fortunate that I do get to speak to a lot of people that have 247 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,960 done the West Highland way, like years and years and years ago. 248 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,840 And I'm often told it's easier now. 249 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:37,600 Well, you still have to cover 9596 miles on your on your feet 250 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,920 and deal with all these problems. 251 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,280 There's differences to the simple it. 252 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Is just different because the the the flatter it is, the 253 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,080 smoother it is, the faster you've got to run. 254 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,760 So that makes it harder, absolutely. 255 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,720 Hi. Hi for for some mic. 256 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:01,520 Otherwise it's just to finish. So Bob, as I said in my 257 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,600 introduction as well, you've completed all the Monroes and I 258 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,960 don't want to move on to the next part until just I've got a 259 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:16,560 couple of questions about those. So with the Mall 282, did you 260 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,440 run up and down the mall and do you have a favorite one or a 261 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:26,280 round of them that you have? No, I never run up in the mall. 262 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,080 When I started doing it, I was just basically hiking and I got 263 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,720 a really heavy bag because I was, I was so sort of concerned 264 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,440 about having to get rescued and them saying, oh, he was ill 265 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,040 prepared and I'll equipped. So I had like almost the full 266 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,000 winter kit in the height of summer. 267 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,920 So I've done quite a few and then I got involved in a bit of 268 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,000 hill running and then I've seen these people skipping my boot 269 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,840 with the walls, TV shoes and entrainers and stuff and like 270 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,840 bags and I'm lugging all this stuff about no matter what the 271 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,480 weather is. So if the conditions were all 272 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,520 right, once I got experience, I started moving a bit faster. 273 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,880 And as I say, because I booked cottages up north myself and my 274 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,680 wife went for holidays there. And I, I, I would target a 275 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,640 cottage where I had a bunch of them in rows. 276 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,400 And every other day I'd go in the house and every other day 277 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,040 would go up a beachcombing session and go for cake and 278 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,600 coffee and that like, and I I've got to make big roots, two big 279 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,040 roots and just go on and and joining the mark modern survey 280 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,120 on the lap, that quick click, click on that's 3040K up the 281 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,080 fine. And then I've come across these 282 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,000 rivers and I think, Oh no, it's in space. 283 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,880 So I'll be going on doing the biking, trying to get across and 284 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,200 then have to weigh down and nearly getting swift away. 285 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,800 And then I've looked at my watch. 286 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,680 So I seen a bit back here at half six, I'm going to really 287 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,720 have to get cracking on. So started moving a lot of them 288 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,160 faster. And then once I was training for 289 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,240 for other stuff, like I was running them. 290 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Like as you say, I've done been nervous numerous things and 291 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,200 anahea numerous things. My preferences were for the sky 292 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,920 manroses. Sky Ridge is just spectacular. 293 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,160 Toraden's a great area. I've spent many, many holidays 294 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,920 up in Toraden Glen nervous and the mowers and Glencoe. 295 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:29,360 These are all cracking areas. So I wasn't running the ball. 296 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,200 There's some of them. He just wanted to stop and sit 297 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,840 there and look at the view and appreciate how long you're here. 298 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,960 But I often was on days out and think there's one across there, 299 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,440 maybe I can go across that. And then that's where I thought, 300 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,680 oh, I shouldn't have bothered. And even like doing being with 301 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,160 us, it was only 1/2 day and I thought I told my wife that I 302 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,680 was going right. And then whatever a day I go 303 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,240 back to the car thought I'm going to jump in the car and go 304 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,120 in and do that little Monroe doing it acting machine, which 305 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,960 17 miles away. So I'm already not. 306 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,680 And I'm saying something happens. 307 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,640 I'm well away from a leave. Leave a note for where you're 308 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,800 going then so I could just meet up as I went home. 309 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,600 And I love doing them in the winter as well. 310 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Getting the crampons ice action. Every mountain when it's covered 311 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,720 in snow and ice becomes a potential major extradition that 312 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,960 you're really, really pleased to get back for me. 313 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,680 A I turned around point right if I'm not at the summit at half 314 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,600 two, I've got to get back because it's going to get dark. 315 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:30,080 It can see a clock and I want to don't want to but on ridges in 316 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:35,320 the dark, my torch and myself and I quite you and so I was 317 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,920 very adventure. I loved it. 318 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 I loved the whole sort of getting up at I've left my house 319 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,400 at midnight and to go in Damon Rose four o'clock 5:00 was the 320 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,440 gear. Coffee in the car, drive along 321 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,400 great. I really enjoyed that. 322 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,640 And Nikki said that you've done 282. 323 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,240 I'm going to guess that you've done 284 was. 324 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,400 It 200 and the ones that used to be Monrose and Mike have 325 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,840 probably done most of the tops as well because. 326 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,080 If there was a top between Monroe's, I would go over the 327 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,040 top or I would do a top. There was a little wire because 328 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,400 I've tried to do the tops, but I haven't done all the all the 329 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,080 tops. Tops of something that's no 330 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,160 classified as a Monroe, but could be as high, it's too close 331 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,240 or some of the criteria stipulate Monroe's that just 332 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,240 doesn't fit because of the other ones in the better. 333 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,080 But yeah, I and I did 4 bit sniffing on the way and 334 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,760 depending on the weather and the time it was just I mean, I did 335 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,480 seen in things for the Western and we're like drive up to there 336 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:48,400 with AD up at Braemar and run and go up turn 2 Angels Peak run 337 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,920 the Blair rear and there's snow and everything and it's a bit 338 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,040 slower than in me jumped down and Lana grew down at coal and 339 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Bridge Ice cream cone at the caravan site and then back to 340 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,120 you when a day and drive home huge, huge days. 341 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,600 Some of them are. I was I was saying that was just 342 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,400 a bit too far the day like and punching the head out and 343 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,520 desperate to get back to the car. 344 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,040 Nikki was surprised. They're they're, if you'd done 345 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,160 them and roll around at a certain time. 346 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,120 Two of them have now been downgraded. 347 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:22,960 They've been. Around. 348 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,040 So I was right in theory, but it used to be 284. 349 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:36,960 Yes, yeah. And as we've mentioned a few 350 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,040 times, you're part of a club that I am. 351 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,320 It's an exclusive club that nobody wants to be part of. 352 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:49,320 Is the dodgy heart club. And this is a cardiac. 353 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,520 Was it British Cardiac Month or something like that? 354 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,920 British Heart Month. And if you're comfortable 355 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:01,400 talking about it, how did you find out about your heart issues 356 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,880 and how has that affected your running? 357 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:10,960 Well, I decided to feel a palpitation, quite a strong 358 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,240 irregular heartbeat, maybe about 2001. 359 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,000 And because there was something called peroxismal atrial 360 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,240 fibrillation just means it's low and there isn't a discernible 361 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,600 underlying thing they could point to. 362 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,240 I just persisted that you have to try and manage the triggers 363 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:36,360 which are alcohol, caffeine, stress, excitement, exercise, 364 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:39,880 ending that punches your heart with adrenaline and stress 365 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,680 hormones. So I was out cycling, I did 366 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,240 quite a lot of cycling as well and I was out with the guys and 367 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,200 there's always pushing, pushing each other on, there's always 368 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,240 people at the front now really good numb. 369 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,400 I was usually hanging in the back because I've never done a 370 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,920 long hill run the day before, but I felt like going really 371 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,520 bang like. So I went away doing A&E went on 372 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,560 that day and and they caught it on an ECG at atrial 373 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,280 fibrillation. So management triggers was as I 374 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,480 say, well, I wasn't overweight and I'd stopped smoking and 375 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,880 everything a long time before that. 376 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,560 So, but it came back more frequent, more persistent and 377 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:24,040 for longer durations. So put me on beer blockers for a 378 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,640 couple of years to try and calm the rapid heart rate, but they 379 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,360 were about a nightmare because they shut you down and you make 380 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:38,200 you feel pretty down and, and they're not conducive. 381 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,160 They're doing much so I was like cheating. 382 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,920 I was having extra caffeine, coffee and the car dealers used 383 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,800 to be paired just says, well, look, I didn't agree with you 384 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,240 missed them out and I was cutting them in half and trying 385 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,720 to do whatever. I think my first this Western, 386 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,040 I'm waiting at a state beat of workers somehow. 387 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:02,240 But so, and then come 2007, I'd started to do a lot of research 388 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,680 and find out about cardiac ablation procedures. 389 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,840 It's not cured, but it's a pretty good treatment that that 390 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,920 could be effective. So I got involved with 391 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:20,000 electrophysiologist Glasgow indirectly and he agreed to do 392 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,720 one in 2007. So I had that and it seemed to 393 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:29,080 help for a while, but then I don't other things like atrial 394 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,440 what are atrial fibrillation. I could bore everybody to death 395 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,320 with us fibrillation, the linear wavelet storm, it just 396 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,000 completely takes over your electrical system and flowers 397 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,920 are circular one in your your atrium. 398 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,080 It's not quite as dangerous of debility and the whole 399 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,640 arrhythmia thing debility should because you get breath flash, 400 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,440 you get fatigue, you get all these things like and everything 401 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,840 becomes extremely difficult not to mention disconcerting them 402 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,800 because your heart suffering a rapid trajectory on its own. 403 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,040 So I survive for a bit per severe, but I wasn't able to 404 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,440 follow training plans or anything that because sometimes 405 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,440 I'll go out and I'll just go by and I'll have to walk a bit and 406 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,160 I make our door avert and sell. I might know. 407 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,480 So I'd walk home. So I did what I could when I 408 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,320 felt OK. So it was almost like binge 409 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,000 exercising when when I felt good, I tried to deal with the 410 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,520 stuff, hell reps and hell runs for like blah blah long runs. 411 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:33,000 But then it kind of came back and in 2013 I got another 412 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:40,280 ablation in Edinburgh, another electrophysiologist, and it 413 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,880 helped for a bit, but I was getting all sorts of other 414 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,760 things. I was getting various atrial 415 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,600 tachycardias. I'm getting significant 416 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,080 interracial delay. So I persevere and persevered, 417 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,360 but I was getting choreotropic incompetence. 418 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,680 That means your sinus node doesn't respond to the demands 419 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,920 exercise or anything like it. Not just that, like shoving your 420 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,960 shopping trolley or cutting your head, shoving your lawnmower, 421 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,120 anything that requires your heart to speed up. 422 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,840 My heart was just saying I'm forgetting me, I'm finished, 423 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,960 I've got disease, I've got disorder, I'm not speeding up. 424 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,760 So they've got to mention a pacemaker at that point. 425 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,720 I had various treadmill tests over the years and and I had 2 426 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:34,640 ones in secular block as well where where you're only so many 427 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,520 of your beats go through. I need to read this because I've 428 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,760 read so much and it's just such complicated thing and forgive me 429 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,400 anybody that might be listening. It's really clued up and an 430 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,360 adjunctional rhythm where only when some of your P waves go 431 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,400 through and your your AD node tries to work for your sinus 432 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,440 node and go backwards like so I was getting more and more 433 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,680 problems like electrical. They're all electrical problems 434 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,040 as opposed to yourself microwave Pullman problems in circulation 435 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:11,040 aspect that like so I got a pacemaker and 2020 just your 436 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,640 walk through the couple of cancellations before that the 437 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,080 hope to help the sinus node disorder, but there's an awful 438 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,000 lot of settings. I got one order done that had a 439 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,440 breathing sensor and a motion sensor cell aroma are in a 440 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,400 minute ventilation, but lots and lots of settings on this, 441 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,800 including enduring sports setting that changes algorithms 442 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,520 for long and short term leading marriages. 443 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,680 But I was still getting an awful arrhythmia. 444 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,440 I'm still getting persistent arrhythmia. 445 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,080 So the electrophysiologist in Edinburgh agreed to do another 446 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:50,400 one in 2023 to try. And it's like dam and water. 447 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,640 Every time you you, you burn a lot of your heart tissue, it it 448 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,480 starts somewhere else or breaks through somewhere because you're 449 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,320 relying on scarring to bridge a lot of the gaps for the rule 450 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840 electrical system system and block them. 451 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,960 So he did that, but he wasn't convinced. 452 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:12,120 He think they might have caused another another this SVTV super 453 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,920 ventricular tachyrhythmia, which is just summon. 454 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,280 It's no atrial fibrillation or Rachel footer, just kind of 455 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,440 random. So he put me back on the lesson. 456 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,160 A year later, he done another one. 457 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,240 At this point, I think had become a challenge because the 458 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,400 new I was trying to the ultra as I was trying to run. 459 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,080 I was persistent. I was doing appointments to, to 460 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,520 see people privately and the the same people like they're very 461 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,240 helpful, but and, and one of the guys had started running. 462 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,520 So we've got to understand the, the sort of obsession of it 463 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,640 because running is addiction. I mean, there's addiction when 464 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,800 always first getting into it, it makes you feel good. 465 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,920 You want to do more. And then sometimes though, 466 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,840 you're getting the bad drugs so it's making you feel worse 467 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,960 because you're too tired or you're overtraining or whatever. 468 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:07,720 So I've had about 30 plus changes to my pacemaker at the 469 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,000 at the clinic. They're very, very helpful 470 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,200 because what suits me, I'm not seeing anybody else. 471 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,600 So I've got the feedback how I feel and whether it's too 472 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,880 aggressive or going up too fast, too many beats, a minute, too 473 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,160 slow, coming down, too fast, coming down, whether the 474 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,680 breathing sensor, there's no getting enough influence because 475 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:36,800 it's physiological as opposed to the the physical cell aroma when 476 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,760 she crossed that initial activity threshold saying you'll 477 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,920 be glazed. Nobody, you're like, I'm sorry, 478 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,560 but so there we go. I've got the pacemaker, I've got 479 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,000 all these problems. I've still got arrhythmias. 480 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,520 I get a tight chest, I get a feeling indigestion, something 481 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,040 that's a hit or a miss. I get very, very breathless. 482 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,960 I have to stop off to a very short distances. 483 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,160 Sometimes it's like swimming underwater and you feel like 484 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,440 you're suffocating. Stop, get some breath, get 485 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,120 going. But the guys the cardiologists 486 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,200 have have just said, look, just try to try to keep doing as much 487 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,000 as you can for as long as you can. 488 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:27,560 I've never I got told maybe about 1518 year ago cardiologist 489 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,640 says, and he was a great guy and great, great help. 490 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,480 But he just says, should you not just give up? 491 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,640 And I says, well, if I give it up, I'll be back here in five 492 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,840 years time over where you could tell me to exercise. 493 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,040 And he says probably last I grew up with this cardiologist that 494 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,920 he was, he was a plumber. So we, we got an electrician's 495 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,960 for specialism to, to try and do the abolitions. 496 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,720 And I recently had said no testing last year and they 497 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,120 managed to adjust amplitude settings on some of the pulses 498 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,040 and everything. I had the ECG connections and 499 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,560 the ultrasound. I was really privileged and I've 500 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,360 been very thankful for this treatment and all the help I've 501 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600 had for everybody to try and keep me going. 502 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,720 And I've just tried to keep going because they've tried to 503 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,240 help me basically. It's been such a big part of my 504 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,520 life and and don't know much else. 505 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,200 So basically that's the heart the heart thing. 506 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320 Purely electrical. I do have minor wear and tail on 507 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,360 a mitral valve and mildly dilated up a femur, but that's a 508 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:42,080 look of confirmed. And a lot of like garments and 509 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,000 Apple Watches and stuff now it's your, it's your fibrillation is 510 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,680 one of the things that they detect. 511 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,520 Do you have a watch like that and does it actually detect 512 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,720 anything? Well, I bought my first VPS 513 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,640 watch and I got my pacemaker to try and give feedback to maybe 514 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:07,080 help me tell me what I thought my heart was beating and what I 515 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,520 felt because that bearing in mind it's majority time as a 516 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:16,320 pacemaker, I've got a maximum patient rate and I've got a 517 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,160 maximum sensory to stop tracking atrial arrhythmia, 3 of my 518 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,720 ventricles because I've had one life threatening ventricular 519 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,120 arrhythmia last year that they were surprised they didn't pass 520 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,080 out. I have a box in the house called 521 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,200 the Boston Communicator and Boston Scientific Pacemaker and 522 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,720 I could push the button and uploads a snapshot of what my 523 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,080 pacemakers recorded. But I will store life 524 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,600 threatening events. So I'd stored this event. 525 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,640 So I got a call from the hospital one night and I, I just 526 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,960 dealt with because over the years I've felt really bad 527 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,720 sometimes and I try to stay calm, put my head down, try and 528 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,360 breathe and get over. And they were surprised I didn't 529 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,120 actually collapse with this one. Because if you, you've been 530 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,840 trying all the rhythm is if your heart still pumping, you could, 531 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,280 you could black out and pretty much die in a couple of minutes. 532 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,560 So my garment I bought a chest of trap as well, and I know my 533 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,720 you feel the rest one's pretty good and are pretty good, but I 534 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,920 wanted to make sure and to coil this. 535 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,680 I couldn't even tell you what it's reading it, whether it's I 536 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,440 think it's a ventricles because they're going out a bit slightly 537 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,000 less than because it's a pacemaker. 538 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,720 Now my pacemaker has also got a 15 beat offset to try and 539 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,520 encourage my heart to have intrinsic heartbeat to make you 540 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,320 live longer and last longer. It's detrimental to keep the 541 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,800 pacemaker patient all the time. So the pacemaker set at 55. 542 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,760 When I went in the theatre to get fitted my resting heart rate 543 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,680 was 38 but didn't have any problem with blocking out so 544 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,960 it's 55 S. My part will go down as low as 545 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,440 4037 on my garment and it will show that before it kicks in and 546 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,800 brings it back up to allow my heart to beat on its own. 547 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:10,000 So to be honest, I have no idea. It doesn't show atrial rhythmia, 548 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,360 it doesn't show any rate of rhythm. 549 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,120 But when you have this heart rate variability, you know, if 550 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,719 it records that and it tells you it sleeps, a nightmare, mate. 551 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,639 Yeah, it's a nightmare because every time I roll over, 552 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:28,520 vigorously sleep, my pacemaker kicks off because I I go above 553 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,040 the activity threshold. If you've got that set too low, 554 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,000 then it's hard to get going and if you don't have upper body 555 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,360 movement, the patient ain't going to no crack off anyway. 556 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,560 So if I'm sitting on a static bike, I've got to be rocking 557 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,080 about the bike. It's all quite difficult to work 558 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,600 on the route to actually exercise because it's not just 559 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,560 running, it's any exercise. It's trying to help. 560 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,560 So to answer your question, not in that case about it, it's it's 561 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,480 just it picks up stuff and it's helpful. 562 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:05,240 But my mark, if I sing my left arm a bit, my heart will just 563 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:11,480 rock it right up to the maximum in like 20 seconds no problem. 564 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,520 But if I use my right one, it'll barely move because the 565 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,120 pacemaker's in the left left hand side, for instance. 566 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,960 So it's difficult to do anything. 567 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,560 And over all the years, because I did negative splits, pretty 568 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,560 much all the West Island Way races, and some of that was 569 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,840 because I had to be within myself to try not to trigger an 570 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,760 arrhythmia in the early stages. It harmed a few times though, 571 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,800 and it's stuck on for quite a bit of the race, which is 572 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,400 unpleasant. You know, sure what they 573 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,880 stopped, where they keep going because the biggest dangers are 574 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:54,160 stroke from blood clots. But I just had to do it really 575 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,560 and manage it his best I could or give up, but give up. 576 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,160 Was there an option? Because you know, there'll be 577 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,080 more problems shoving my shopping trolley, hazard cutting 578 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,960 my glass, pushing my lawn or whatever. 579 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,600 So it's a difficult one. I'm not exactly sure what it's 580 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,960 monitoring, but I've I've gave them great feedback over the the 581 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,680 few years that the cardio technicians like and I always 582 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,920 say about boxing chocolates strictly, I'm no fed up seeing 583 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,240 me. I I'm sure they won't. 584 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:36,440 And talking about boxing chocolates over the years, have 585 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,520 you eaten boxes of chocolates during your run or how has your 586 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,800 fuelling changed? Well, the fueling you did have 587 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,440 gels when I first started doing ultras, you know, and you and 588 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,240 pair bar gels necessary has chills. 589 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,840 But predominantly when I first did the West Island way, for 590 00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,000 instance, I was on the back, Dario spoke to you and Daria 591 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,080 rang the race director. The entry procedure was he'd use 592 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,400 the phone you up and they scribble a wee bit on an entry 593 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,640 form, but he'd phone you up. Well I wasn't available so he 594 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,160 spoke to my wife for 45 minutes and she had absolutely no idea 595 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,240 much of what I was doing. I was in the days on the hills, 596 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,440 the long cycle runs, 100 mile and stuff like this. 597 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,640 Ah, it seems OK. You'll be fine. 598 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:31,560 So I just shrapneling what I did on mountain days, a bad feel of 599 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,000 jam pieces, bananas, stuff like that. 600 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,800 So my first lesson and we Anka must have a dozen jam pieces. 601 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,480 Jam sandwich for anybody that might not understand what that 602 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,240 is. Bananas, ambrosia, custard 603 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:50,400 pudding and Miller rice pudding and all these were used as well. 604 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,520 Milkshakes, 3 loaf gels, whatever, just anything you can 605 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,440 really eat. I have found a handful of chips 606 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,920 that Kenlock leave in the same As for probably everybody. 607 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:10,000 I like the cup of tea but progress now like the event I 608 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,760 did the 110K nice there on the mountains was predominantly 609 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,160 gels. I had about 20 SIS gels, Anthea 610 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,200 crusts and mixed in with watermelon and alley because one 611 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,560 of them is the time difference. You try and eat proper food and 612 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,680 it sticks in your teeth and as opposed to the liquid stuff. 613 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,320 I took a huge box of custard pudding to France like as well 614 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,320 for my drop bag because it's it's much easier than rice 615 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,520 pudding and the milkshakes and and all these type of things. 616 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,320 But the nutrition's belonged on you. 617 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,880 There's so many products and if you find something you like that 618 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,440 works on you, I know again, my you're, you're a great father 619 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,440 proper food and it works on you. But if somebody can get by on 620 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,840 gels or sports shrink. When I first started the West 621 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,000 alley, I was drinking SIS sports shrink and I was drinking 22 622 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,760 camel barks, which is totally wrong. 1 1/2 liter of water, 1 623 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,640 1/2 liter of SIS go watermelon and trying to drink this before 624 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,800 the other drink to serve the hypernatchemia thing. 625 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,360 People flooding their body with fluid and and then not getting 626 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,760 any difficulty because they're not diluting their blood plasma, 627 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,760 their sodium and everything and end up in mental state exchanges 628 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:34,360 and end up in the hospital. So I did so that I realized that 629 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,320 I didn't need half a litre A litre, I just need 250 mils 630 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,240 roughly an hour. And I've seen that when I was 631 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,800 training on the route and the motor, even if it was quite warm 632 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,200 weather. Everybody that sell, if you're a 633 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,240 big person, you sweat a lot and you'll need more. 634 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:53,240 But that's probably the biggest thing that I learned over the 635 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,400 years. For the first few years I was OK 636 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,480 during the race, but I was violently sick the next day and 637 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,880 all the way home. And it must have been an 638 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,280 electrolyte imbalance, which is drinking far too much fluid but 639 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,760 taking a wee bit off to catch up on me once the adrenaline had 640 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:14,600 stopped and and your body was starting to think, no, I'm in a 641 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,200 bad state here, I'm just going to start vomiting as we lay by 642 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:25,080 so but I not so much as chain. But I'd probably still eat 643 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,760 custard puddings and all that type of thing. 644 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,400 But I drink too fast for I believed in that and it was done 645 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,640 on research where people saw, I don't know. 646 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,520 I've heard again, there's some bigger people that have thrown 647 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,000 up. So many so flashed on. 648 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,360 It's hot and and stuff. Your body's really, really good 649 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,440 at telling you. I'm struggling here. 650 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,000 I need a drink, but I'm no need. Not much of water. 651 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,760 The first lesson, we have done it with friends, never a bit 652 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,320 bigger than me. And we're ready for a jolly 653 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,120 here. Let's all stop for a peer at 654 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,160 once. Let's all have a drink and I'm 655 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:04,200 OK that I'm spinning this thing for far too much and it came 656 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:10,480 back to bite me so. And one of the questions that I 657 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,200 really like to ask more experienced runners like 658 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,960 yourself that have been doing West Highland Way in particular 659 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,640 for a long, long time, how has the technology and the cat 660 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,560 evolved from when you started to current day? 661 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,240 Now, I would imagine back then we didn't have Strava even like 662 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,560 sort of like mobile phones. What we would say is quite 663 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,320 straightforward now, like you could just go and no one knew 664 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:41,720 where you were. Well, the biggest changes is the 665 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:46,160 raised vest in the shoes raised vest for its lightness and its 666 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:53,760 practicali the shoes, the the although it's the older new 667 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,200 added all my W highway races and road shoes, every single one. 668 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,000 And that wasn't even when there was a lot more mud and bog. 669 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,360 It's everybody's thing like, but I wanted the cushion, the 670 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,920 cushioning because I screws in my I've got screws in my knee. 671 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,560 I've got a really smashed up leg. 672 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,600 So I wanted the cushioning and there's an awful lot of road and 673 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,000 hard park trail as well. So another thing is we had the 674 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:30,480 boil and the bag jackets which never really breathed at all. 675 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,400 So yeah, there's much water inside them and the the products 676 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,880 near these are phenomenal. The lightweight and the the 677 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,360 waterproof national visibility. But I would say shoes and 678 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,200 obviously the GPS watches in not the not the numerous hill races 679 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,200 and it's mapping a compass and stuff and the time that that 680 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,880 involves the cold hands. I can hardly see anything. 681 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,520 You see my glasses. I can barely see my watch, never 682 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,640 mind on that. And I ordinance survey a 683 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,240 compass. But it's probably that plus the 684 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,880 Wilden area sports drinks and sports products like which you 685 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,640 can't choose to use or or know like. 686 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,920 Although I've always used the gels like and I love the shoes 687 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,920 for the mountain races abroad, the tool boxes for them. 688 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,040 Then a lot of my Ben Nevis races, Dura. 689 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,680 All these power races are using washes and there was no toolbox 690 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,080 whatsoever. Get dripped and very light and 691 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,080 dried quickly. But if you smelt any stone, it 692 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,920 was like you have toys with a hammer where the toolbox is even 693 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,960 on the on the ultra lightweight ones. 694 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,840 They're phenomenal. I've used numerous spares, the 695 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,520 Salomon ultrasounds, Sense Ultras, the red and white ones, 696 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,680 the purple ones, all these things. 697 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,120 I think they're fantastic. They fit me like a glove. 698 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,280 I've got narrow feet, but I've also used hawkers. 699 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,160 The first pair of clown shoes, the the big shot of bouncy 700 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,120 fluorescent ones that everybody called the clown shoes. 701 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,480 They're great. Like they're so comfortable, but 702 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,000 high starch. So more chance to go over your 703 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:22,920 uncles, but I get a chance to try these things is is often a 704 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,120 problem because they're very expensive. 705 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,680 So if you get a pair of your light, go out and buy a few pair 706 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,320 before they change and meet them wider or something different and 707 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:33,800 doesn't agree with you, then yeah. 708 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,680 You said the I think it was the only, only hawkers that used to 709 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,040 look like clown shoes and nowadays they're almost normal. 710 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,640 It's you wouldn't know that they're the UP boats. 711 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,920 You cross rivers in them. Well, I've still got a couple of 712 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,080 pairs of them that are so serviceable and I've used them 713 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,680 to support in the West Alleyway because they really like 714 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,120 buffets, which is a word for slippers and Fife. 715 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,680 And they're so comfy just to wander a bit on. 716 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,840 And if you've got water under feet, it needs to be a couple of 717 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,800 inches deep before it goes into the hawkers. 718 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:18,040 But I, I think like everybody else is starting meeting maximal 719 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,480 shoes new. The the Salomons have got big 720 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:27,840 shoes and Nike and and all these Rd. rocker type maximal shoes of 721 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,680 just almost as big as the original clown shoes that that 722 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,000 come for Hawker. But it was a revolution at the 723 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,480 time. Like rather than being 724 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,040 minimalist, let's do marximalist and have huge things. 725 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,240 Like there's two guys since Salomon that decided on that. 726 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,320 So yeah. And we've mentioned lots of 727 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,240 races. Next question might not be a 728 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,000 race, might just be something you've done. 729 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,280 What is the biggest adventure or achievement that you've had? 730 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,800 Never got one there because they've all, they've all been, 731 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,560 they've all been achievement at the time. 732 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:13,920 When I finished in the Rose, as you say, I'm I'm delighted. 733 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:19,160 I was the first person to attend sub 24 hour W Allen ways. 734 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,560 The five UTNBS, they're similar. I started the UTNBS 7 times like 735 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,560 I've finished at 5:00. So I've been fortunate to I've 736 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,280 told the atmosphere at the at the church. 737 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,840 The only race I've ever run and punch the air when I finish is 738 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:44,640 the Glencoe Skyline 2017. The costs are relentless as a 739 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,040 ratio to submit ACVA, claiming experience, scrambling 740 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,440 experience, and I'm hit there with me next to stand next to 741 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,320 killing when someone in common would both finish the UT MB A 742 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,880 fortnight before it. So he was in the front, I was in 743 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,120 the back. So I'm thinking there's going to 744 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,560 be something similar here. But that was relentless because 745 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,040 they reserve the right to withdraw at any point. 746 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,760 So I'm thinking I got through the cut off of the road and 747 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,840 they're going to let me climb up to the here, say sorry Paul, we 748 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,760 have too slow because they only go through there by minutes and 749 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,880 they're the same. But I'm really doing that West 750 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,360 Island way. It's getting dark. 751 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,880 I thought I know where I'm going. 752 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,080 I don't need a head torch and there was only my wife, 3 753 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,480 Marshalls or something and it was only a bunch there. 754 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,120 I felt so ecstatic it finished that race. 755 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,120 That was brilliant. Another achievement that I felt 756 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,480 was fantastic was claiming one block twice, once the Paul 757 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,080 Giblin and I enjoyed it that much. 758 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,520 I went back the following year and claimed it on my own. 759 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,320 It was just a a spectacular day and a challenge and I'm lucky 760 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,240 with the weather and and got away with it fine. 761 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,600 I mentioned earlier that an awful lot of cycling I've done 2 762 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,800 stages of the top of the two which is like a stage of the 763 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,600 Tour for amateurs. One had done the Pyrenees and 764 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,360 one of the Knox and they were brilliant because not just 765 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,560 claiming the mountains on your bike. 766 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,360 You have 55 mile an hour descents and I love that well 767 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,680 motorbike experience and the crowds are out and people are 768 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:20,120 alley alley and photos of water on your neck and that that was 769 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,120 absolutely unbelievable. 5 Chancellor carrier finishes just 770 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,320 a such spectacular event. I'll know I go around here in 771 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,640 the night and I have to mention the finish the first UT MB MCC, 772 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,200 which is the the race for the kind of locals and people that 773 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,840 have managed to be lucky to get an entry like my cell. 774 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,160 And I'd fractured my proxy of humorous when a mountain fall 3 775 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,760 weeks to pour it in Chamonix and I had this ultra stuff when I 776 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,240 was in the hostel and they're going to put metal work in it. 777 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,960 And in the back of my mind, I was thinking, I wonder if I 778 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,440 could throw the line here in three weeks at the chase for the 779 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,800 being very fortunate to get an entry. 780 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,280 And my wife was kind of like seeing the the great March. 781 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,720 And she just doesn't say anything like and she's I'm 782 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,600 gonna have a go at the fishing. I thought you might. 783 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,720 So it was 4 in the rain, 3° the snow or one of the colds. 784 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,800 But I managed to finish and that was such a relief. 785 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,400 And again, I felt that was a fantastic achievement. 786 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,520 But I think the biggest land of, and I've not mentioned this 787 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,560 early on, forgive me, but I just got started running and then I 788 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:34,360 went 46 races in two years. And then I had a bar accident on 789 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,280 my motorbike coming back from Glencoe. 790 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,720 And then my Stabia Plateau was shattered in seven bits and it 791 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:44,440 was broken for the day and I broke my rib finger on stores 792 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,680 and everything. But it was such a class. 793 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,640 So big break in Perth Hospital. The senior consultancies, we're 794 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,760 going to try and fix this. It's too dangerous, too 795 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,880 difficult. But there's a student that I 796 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,400 taught in the then where I was here, enjoy trying to fix this. 797 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,120 So they sent me along There it was. 798 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,600 It was early days of the fixation stuff for routine kind 799 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,080 of things. They're explosion flashers. 800 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,080 So he put an external fixator on some internal screws and away I 801 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,840 went with that for three months and then had a hinge plaster 802 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,960 cast on a full plaster cast and it wasn't healing. 803 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,200 So he says, can you try and stress it? 804 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,360 Boy, I tried to stress it. I was out walking 10 miles, 805 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,320 hinge plastered cast on. I had my mum and Gayle up my 806 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,520 local airport until we have full plastered casting and crutches. 807 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,520 I was in a rucksack. We waited catalogues balls a lot 808 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,400 on stuff to stress even more. It bent not much that it went 809 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:48,240 from 5° twelve 1530° and it was flexing at the knee and it was 810 00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,360 really painful. I could barely walk when I was 811 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,880 feeling sick. But thankfully the 812 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,640 consultancies, I'm going to have to try and straighten that. 813 00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,320 And it was like to me, wow, there is a Santa Claus because 814 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,920 it just got so bad. I would never been able to walk 815 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,480 properly. What was that? 816 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,120 I know that the straightening operation is going to be worse 817 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,360 than the accident. So he took me in. 818 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,720 I got a couple of cancellations. I went in and Christmas Eve, I 819 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:19,320 think it was in December, May 8th, he he broke or thought 820 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,000 about, he put in another 11 screws in the screws that were 821 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,560 already there in a six inch plate. 822 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,640 Took a bone graft over my hip, jumped in at the guard, pulled 823 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,280 the legs in to try and stick the bone graft. 824 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:37,040 And I had another ages off my work trying to rehab with us 825 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,880 trying to walk on it and walk on it. 826 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,600 And meanwhile I was trying to still do some banros and I was 827 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:50,120 rehabbing and getting back on the go again by the much better 828 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,360 job than vore. It was pretty much straightened 829 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,160 by starting to get all these problems. 2000 and one 2002 830 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,760 redness local inflection for the the bottom screw and one of the 831 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,600 plate was arcing against the plate like an electrolyte 832 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,000 hanging. It was causing the whole red 833 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,520 redness through the leg and caused localized infection pain 834 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,240 and burning. So it took me back and took out 835 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:19,040 nine of the screws and the six inch plate and I'd ask to 836 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,960 consult, can I have all that mail work? 837 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,680 Says OK, so enough things up with the stuff all covered in 838 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,480 both the plastic bags, says your honour. 839 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,280 The the consultant says you have to get this and there's nobody 840 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,440 usually that screws their plates or I've got as a souvenir. 841 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,560 So anyway, I've started to build myself back up again and 842 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,680 unfortunately just right at the back of that bag, my heart 843 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,480 started to go. So it was trying to work 844 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,480 rendering light. But that's probably my biggest 845 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,000 achievement. My rehab was just extreme, but 846 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,360 boy didn't learn me the mental strength and develop that to try 847 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,560 and get through ultras after getting through other trauma 848 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,240 catastrophic injuries at the time. 849 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,640 So, and unfortunately though I've been lucky all these years 850 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,120 to get away with what I've done with all the osteoarthritis I've 851 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,360 had in that knee, but it's new cracking and crunching and 852 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,360 creaking and unstable and giving way. 853 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,520 So I'm basically limping a bit new. 854 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,600 And I'm, I used to love the sense the rougher the better, 855 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,720 but I'm pretty slow new. But such is life. 856 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,920 I'm getting pretty old new and I'll keep doing it. 857 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,960 But that's I've still been in a nutshell. 858 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,600 But I've been pleased with everything I've managed to do 859 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,640 and eating the 10 KS and the halfs and stuff like that. 860 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,440 I'm not saying Aidan, they were wonderful coming from a 861 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,880 background they smoked for 18 years and totally a life I never 862 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,160 expended. Expecting the people I've met an 863 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:58,000 achievement shared with people like have been so much sweeter 864 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,360 as well so. I think in the time that I've 865 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,560 been doing this podcast with Mike, I genuinely think that's 866 00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:09,240 been one of the best answers for the achievement question because 867 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:13,080 we ask it to most guests and that's phenomenal, Bob. 868 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:20,880 So quite right as well. I would be saying all about all 869 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,600 of it as well. Another recent question for me 870 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,720 off of the back of the achievement question. 871 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,760 I'm curious will they keep all your goblets? 872 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,680 We and I got this house about 20 year ago. 873 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:40,880 There was the guy was a joiner that they built it and there's 874 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:47,520 sort of old fashioned cabinets along the living room wall where 875 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,760 like a mantelpiece store the fit on one of the shelves. 876 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,520 But she's fine. So they're in there. 877 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:59,200 So that's not the reason. I thought I would love to go 878 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,160 back and get another one but that's not anyway so that's fine 879 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,760 build. Another shelf. 880 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,040 So I was, I was perfect. There was a space to stuff them 881 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,040 in like and and it was just ideal. 882 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:20,320 And it's a nice reminder when I look at them as some spectacular 883 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,560 adventures, memories. And aside from telling your 884 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,000 cardiologist that you'll put on weight if you don't do it, why 885 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,960 do you dumb? Well, originally you know, say 886 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,560 to the lifestyle change, I still like partying and we're still 887 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,040 going to a bit, but I just, I was, I've been trying to stop 888 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,800 smoke for about 7 years and never lasted any more in a few 889 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,440 weeks. So I was a determined effort and 890 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,120 then once I'd experienced was like to be fit, I'll become 891 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,920 evangelical. And and I mean, it's true. 892 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,240 You bored people that don't run in that line because they didn't 893 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,280 get it. Then it start. 894 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,440 I mean, honestly say it was addiction. 895 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,760 I couldn't get enough of it. If I was lucky that my heart 896 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,480 wouldn't go bowing, I would go out and planted him and be 5 897 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,080 mil. I'd stay in day 10. 898 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,400 It was just great. So training was probably too 899 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,960 much and then too much. I didn't have enough rest. 900 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,160 But and they gave me time. It helped me cope as well over 901 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,680 the time. But I was pointed out to me by a 902 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,960 clinical psychologist that was helping GAIL and I to help me to 903 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,480 help her deal with phonic pain. So there wasn't much hope 904 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,240 medically. And that she seems your 905 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:46,520 husband's up there on the roof is just another level of stress, 906 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:51,120 another much stresser than running because I was trying to 907 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,840 fit in runs and get back to do other things. 908 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,560 There wasn't any relaxing. I'm away here and snail in the 909 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,920 flowers. And again, I was always like 910 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,400 I've got to go and I'm hopefully in the foot hearts too long and 911 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,320 I'm going to get back. So there is a thin line between 912 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,920 the good drugs and the bad drugs. 913 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,640 Like especially on all charge you have this. 914 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,360 There's one thing 2009 in West Iowa way. 915 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,120 I got terrible first half, brilliant second-half. 916 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,400 I just got faster and faster and I felt better and better. 917 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,760 First time in music, no support runner goes at the top of 918 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,840 Devil's Staircase. I've got the tunes then the 919 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,600 sun's still out. It was reasonable time at night 920 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,640 and the Verve walking man come on with a guitar and throw the 921 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:41,920 Holland guitar gets to the top. I look back, there's a less more 922 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,880 everybody knows what it's like. The music was there and all that 923 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,840 was missing. If you've seen Nicolas Cage in 924 00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,480 the rope when he's trying to stop the plane coming and he 925 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,560 bangs he 2 flares then and they're up near. 926 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,840 That's all it was missing in the helicopters, you know, in the 927 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,280 video. And I just turned in and headed 928 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,560 downhill to Kenrock leaving which is one of my favorite pets 929 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,200 just memories like that they take you back that huge hit and 930 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,800 the same thing all the shorter races you met people you meet 931 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,840 them all the time is a great tapes in the village hall cup of 932 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,920 tea acrylic and the one that you have fauna booting Bogue and mud 933 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,640 the hell races you've been nervous. 934 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,440 You've never felt you you put enough wreck enough effort. 935 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,840 And if you didn't have a stint elbow or a stint near a smashed 936 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,640 forehead broke my hand one year and managed to finish like and 937 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,640 and I collapsed in the premier ran into this knee after the 938 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,760 West Island wheel like and broke three ribs and punctured my lung 939 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,680 on the the the toilet room, which I used to use is when 940 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,960 people say what's the worst running related injury? 941 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:51,520 And that was that again. And I've expressed that to 942 00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,120 people when they think if you're going to pass it, it's the 1050 943 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,320 minutes after it. Well, not necessarily because 944 00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,880 that was about an hour and 30 minutes. 945 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,800 I think it was just the exercise associated posterior 946 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,200 hypertension. I'd been lying down for about 947 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,960 half an hour needed a pee, got a darkness, then you walk at the 948 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,120 extractor fan wake my wife nothing on lifted the toilet 949 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,400 room being a gentleman and that final head there was on I'm 950 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,800 going here trying to turn the light on. 951 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,720 Bang went to the room and broke the ribs and punctured my lung 952 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,640 nightmare. So always sat doing look after. 953 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:33,840 If you're supporting people, keep an eye on them because it 954 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,080 could just conclude without any warning. 955 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,880 So I many reasons and it's changed over so over the year, 956 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,480 Nikki like from when I started to new. 957 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,440 I'm just trying to keep going. I'm just trying to have an 958 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,480 adventure and hope there's another adventure and realizing 959 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,680 that they'll be coming to an end it shortly, probably a bit. 960 00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,000 I still want to keep trying because to get back, it helps me 961 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,320 in my daily life. If you're active up to this 962 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,120 level, then stuff at last level becomes a bit more manageable. 963 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,160 So I'll just keep trying to do someone. 964 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,080 And I love the community. I love everybody I've met, all 965 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,680 the people I've shared time with and people say that they feel 966 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,760 they know what I'll be a hanger on and I get that as well-being. 967 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,080 You mentioned the pile and things. 968 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,120 I've often felt like hanging around because I've not been 969 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:30,520 able to go in some of the runs, maybe because I know I'm going 970 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,720 to have to stop and it's no because I'm not trying hard 971 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,480 enough or or I've not enough training. 972 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,240 And you just feel self-conscious. 973 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:42,080 So the older you get, just as an individual, you feel you get 974 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,800 rubbed out a bit of time, you become invisible. 975 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,200 It's like back to the future. You're just becoming more and 976 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,400 more you're just an old guy for the UK to do it. 977 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,520 Or, or I might have been different than your day bait 978 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,520 cannon. So I don't know. 979 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,840 I was just I'm probably just given here because there's so 980 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,640 many answers to that over 30 plus years really. 981 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,800 So when I started, like I remember my first half Mars and 982 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,000 it was scorching hot and I'm a conqueror to 10 mile thing. 983 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,600 This is a crazy idea. I'm hating this. 984 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,520 I'm never doing it again in one of the first race and within a 985 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,360 couple of years I've done 45 events and I've hit 30 half 986 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,280 marathons like and and I couldn't get enough of just 987 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,200 loved it under cycling as well. It was great. 988 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,400 Although the good thing about the cycling you get downhill, 989 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,040 you didn't get that too and and rather you've got to keep going 990 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,800 all the time now. I was listening to a podcast for 991 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,280 Lucy Calhoun and she was saying that she feels that sort of 992 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,280 hanging on, you're just a has been. 993 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,120 And I actually think that that is, it's not right. 994 01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,880 It's upsetting that somebody like yourself, somebody like 995 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,840 Lucy who has been there, done it. 996 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,560 People nowadays, they're not thinking that you're a has been 997 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,960 or it might be because they don't know about your story 998 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,440 while you're telling your story tonight. 999 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,800 And I think they need to hear it and respect it. 1000 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,280 I don't, I don't even know know what to say about it. 1001 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:21,480 But it's you're there because you've earned the place, not 1002 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,400 because you're hanging on. Hi. 1003 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,000 Thanks, Michael. I'll probably a wee bit happier 1004 01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,240 that I managed to finish a couple of big events last year. 1005 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,440 I mentioned Lucy there. I know Lucy. 1006 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,200 I've known her for a long time, realized person. 1007 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:44,080 What she did was phenomenal, like from people like myself 1008 01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,560 that were just trying to finish like. 1009 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,560 But on the race in 2007 she broke the record. 1010 01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:53,520 I was supporting my mate who was fourth, so I was right next to 1011 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,360 Lucy quite a bit as she was progressing up the West Highland 1012 01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,960 way. So it was a great memory as 1013 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,760 well. I've seen her on that day. 1014 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,560 I did my first ablation like a month before it and I turned up 1015 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,000 at the start and Daria was going you're not running, you're not 1016 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,840 getting to run because I just thought I thought about it. 1017 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,800 But my wife, she's no way, no way you're doing that like 4 1018 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,280 weeks after that and tomorrow she need time for it to settle 1019 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,680 down like that. I was, I was really keen. 1020 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:36,080 You are keen the the things that you must think about are I, I, I 1021 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,240 would say that health is obviously there when you're 1022 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,520 running, but what is it you think about the most when you're 1023 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,200 running? Well, nowadays it's trying to 1024 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:51,320 breathe and, and and hardly stop and, and what my heart's doing. 1025 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,800 It's impossible to get away from it, sadly. 1026 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,640 And I've bored hundreds of people probably. 1027 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,760 But as soon as I get up in the morning and I put my T-shirt and 1028 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,920 move my hands, it kicks off and I know I've got to sit down 1029 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,840 again until it settles down. And when I go out for another, 1030 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,440 I'm trying to do some burpees at the back or jump up and down or 1031 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,640 run back and forth and then trying to get settled in. 1032 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,880 So it's pretty consuming. Apart from that, I'm moving to 1033 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:20,560 where my feet go, tripping on things, the usual stuff that 1034 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,960 everybody thinks. And I'm thinking she'll adjust 1035 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,680 my pacemaker. Has it gone too fast? 1036 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,800 Is it not going fast enough? Well, why am I doing this? 1037 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,080 Why that is doing this. I'm free, I'm always full 1038 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,680 because it's affected by hemodynamics as well circulation 1039 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,840 in the blood flow and oxygen within the rate you'll delay the 1040 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,520 valves and open and shut the right thing. 1041 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:46,640 So it's I'm desperate to get back to warmer weather and so 1042 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,160 that I can feel pleasant with Yeah, it's nicer weather. 1043 01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,800 You can just walk a bit when it's cold. 1044 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,680 I've got to go dressed as I walk in trying runner, the dresser 1045 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,120 runner. And then I'm freezing. 1046 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,960 So and a lot of time I've, I will put some music on the 1047 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,120 podcasts, your podcasts and I've watched loads of them and 1048 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,880 they're brilliant. And it's great to hear other 1049 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:16,000 people, other people's stories. So I just try and just like I've 1050 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,800 used a gym for the last 10-15 years so that helps. 1051 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,000 When it's cold, I'll hike on a gradient on a stepper and I'll 1052 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,640 try and do some runs and and I'll go. 1053 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,360 I like going to stunt classes as well. 1054 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:35,480 So it all helps keep the general fitness so that the reason I'm 1055 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,680 doing this is hopefully getting the summer and I can still go up 1056 01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,520 the hills and at least I can run down and do what I can. 1057 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:49,680 And going forward, what would be your dream race or on the bucket 1058 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,680 list race? Have you got many on that list? 1059 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,840 Well, as I mentioned earlier, it's long, fast since I can sort 1060 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,960 of pick a race target, train properly and go and do some 1061 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,280 races. So realistically it's just 1062 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,440 things that are invariably involved during the holiday. 1063 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:15,760 So I entered the Madeira Island Ultra Trail and then the April, 1064 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,080 but it's a bad time of year for me. 1065 01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,240 It's too cold. I've had umpteen chest 1066 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,120 infections, whatever, but I'll have a go. 1067 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,280 And we've got we've got a holiday booked. 1068 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,760 A friend that's persuader friends then had me went into 1069 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,280 one of the shorter races in the grand field called my yard and 1070 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,920 Italy and beginning of July and another one that I've done 1071 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,160 before that was on trail, a shorter one in the near 1072 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,240 Shalmany. And then I have managed to make 1073 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:49,360 myself CCC and the UTNB. So that'll be a real big 1074 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,640 challenge to to make the cut offs. 1075 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,320 So but I'll give it a go. So realistically, I'm building 1076 01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,280 myself to try and if I go a 5K part run, I've never done a part 1077 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,400 run. I've barely, I mean, I'm trying 1078 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,320 to run a few kilometres with each storm and I'd love to just 1079 01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,440 I bought my first pair of big bouncy shoes. 1080 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,800 I bought a pair of, they're not quite that bouncy like a pair of 1081 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,760 the Nova Blasts, and I've been trying to sneak out on the roads 1082 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,960 again a wee bit to try and see if I can run. 1083 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:30,560 So ultimately I would love to be able to just go along and do a 1084 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,920 10K or something like that, but everybody expects you're running 1085 01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,480 when you've stopped after 100 meters. 1086 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,120 It's a bit embarrassing because you're trying to get somewhere 1087 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,040 and then start again. But now I've by these I've got 1088 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:47,320 any big events. Well, new events, and that's 1089 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,680 where I've picked ones that are mountain. 1090 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,760 I've got a chance of hiking up and as long as I can. 1091 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,920 Gravity seems to help me a big sale. 1092 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,160 It seems to suit my settings a bit bare, so I could still do 1093 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,680 doing hell of it. I'm pretty good on technical 1094 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,280 training. To me, just to phase me, the 1095 01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,600 more technical the better because it slows everybody else 1096 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,720 up. All these boners and free and 1097 01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:13,280 all that sort of thing. And then just trying to make cut 1098 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,480 offs. And obviously I've got a better 1099 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,399 experience about nutrition, getting a newer checkpoints cap. 1100 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,520 Can mental sense keep them going? 1101 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,240 And then your true grip channelling your true grip, 1102 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,640 whatever, whatever you need to do. 1103 01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:32,000 So that's next for me. So keep my fingers close and 1104 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,840 keep trying to do summing up the Romans. 1105 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,640 That's some difference, Bob Mountain races to Park Run. 1106 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:42,720 You know, I the, the reason I'll pick that is there's probably 1107 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,720 like a maybe 1000 people and just hiding them almost at the 1108 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,279 back and, and try and get window. 1109 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,920 I think I managed a 5K there before Christmas and I don't 1110 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:57,080 know, 36 minutes or something, but everything has full grass. 1111 01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,560 For me. That's the problem. 1112 01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:04,279 My pacemaker is way up high. I can't get any breath when it's 1113 01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:07,160 doing low. So having full gas, which is 1114 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,680 probably detrimental maybe to my long term health, but I'm way 1115 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:14,240 beyond the rhythmical. I knew for really worrying about 1116 01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:19,439 whether I've hammered my heart beyond the redemption and it's 1117 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,240 that's what I say for years and to have some memories back here 1118 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,600 one way for the other. Is this there? 1119 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:34,240 One life, live it. And next question is, is there 1120 01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:39,840 anybody, either fictional, real, alive or not that you would like 1121 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:45,560 to go for a run with? All the friends that I've met 1122 01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,520 over the years and I've spent time in the mountains and on the 1123 01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:53,680 trails and I would love to go back in every one of them. 1124 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:58,840 And sadly there's quite a few that are no longer here that 1125 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,240 I've had spectacular memories. So really the people have have 1126 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:10,800 shared and and had these great times with the karma rather just 1127 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,840 mentioned earlier where we were friends wrote in a place. 1128 01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,960 I'm not Banner, the race anonymous, just part of it, but 1129 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:23,080 great days, shared suffering, shared challenges, shared 1130 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,080 achievements, excellent disappointment. 1131 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,480 We're doing them in Rose. I've done them because I never 1132 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,240 really knew anybody. I probably did 98% of 1133 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,280 Monroeville moan. Then I'd come back and my wife 1134 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,000 can get subjected to the boredom. 1135 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,520 Oh my, what I see yesterday shot across the river. 1136 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,880 Last thought I was gone in every weekend. 1137 01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,360 All these stories that you might have shared with other people 1138 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,960 without a laugh. But not just everybody I've ever 1139 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,680 known. I've had the pleasure and I've 1140 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:55,160 been lucky to meet some wonderful people and and share 1141 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,480 the trails in the mountains when the social side, after having a 1142 01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:03,240 beer and laughing at laughing about things and people with 1143 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,800 stones hanging off their trails and there's a no bought another 1144 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,040 pair and all these daft stories like. 1145 01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,160 So as much as I like to sit down with a cup of coffee with Kelly 1146 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,760 and her Sunday and crack away, I'm like, no, I just saw the 1147 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,840 people I've known and and all the people are all their 1148 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,560 friends. Killian would be honoured to 1149 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,400 have a coffee with you, Bob, or all your achievements. 1150 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,760 We'll probably get advice from you so. 1151 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,000 If you realize once we get started or there's no stuff on 1152 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,040 this. So if you've got any specific 1153 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,920 questions, I can probably gain some sort of information. 1154 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,920 And this has been a fantastic chat, Bob. 1155 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,480 So once again, thank you so much for coming on. 1156 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:53,280 Unless Mike has any other questions, we like to finish off 1157 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:58,680 on philosophical note for runners who are facing setbacks, 1158 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:03,840 whether it be physical, emotional, life shifting, which 1159 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,960 you've got much experience in, what mindsets carried you 1160 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,320 through the hardest times you've been through? 1161 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:22,720 Well, a lot of the the problems that you may get are 1162 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,680 unavoidable. And if you want to remain like 1163 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,000 in those circumstances, you've got to sort of find a way to 1164 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,080 deal with them or you've got to walk away. 1165 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:43,680 And pretty much everything that's been presented to me 1166 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,880 avoided to be in that situation and had to well know what to be 1167 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,760 in situation, but I had to deal with it can probably talk here 1168 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,360 on a personal basis, right? But it's the same as like ultras 1169 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,640 getting through trauma, bones, heart problems. 1170 01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,760 Get as much information as you can that might help you deal 1171 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:15,120 with that problem or might help you to find somebody that might 1172 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,160 help you to deal with that problem or a way to deal with 1173 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,040 the butts and downs. Black clouds. 1174 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,680 I've had a lot of black clouds. A lot of dark days are feeling 1175 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:32,480 like feeling helpless and hopeless but trying to look at 1176 01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:35,440 the small steps. Same again as an ultra. 1177 01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,880 The, the next checkpoint or, or the next day, the next, the 1178 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,480 bottom of the hill, the top of the hill, the bottom of the hill 1179 01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:47,680 again, Do you need talk about admin? 1180 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,280 And I just looked at physical and mental management like, do 1181 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:53,920 you need somebody? Do you need to pee? 1182 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,480 Do you think you need to pee? You want to stop? 1183 01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:57,600 You need a rest. You want somebody to drink? 1184 01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,480 You drink too much. You're not too fast, you're not 1185 01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:01,440 too slow, you're too cold, too warm. 1186 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:02,880 Take your jacket off, put it back on. 1187 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:08,440 What are these type of things? And it's I found a lot of stuff 1188 01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:11,080 to do with my heart problem. One more I was lucky. 1189 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:16,800 I randomly emailed cardiologist and I got replies and I found 1190 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,240 out things. And then I was very fortunate. 1191 01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,600 I got a great consult with my leg. 1192 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:26,000 But finding what you can do yourself, break it down small 1193 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,440 steps. If you need the fresh air, clear 1194 01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:32,520 your head, go outside, go for a walk, go talk to somebody, get 1195 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,680 up the mountains, appreciate nature and and then try and look 1196 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,960 what you have got because of me. I'm a kind of half empty guy a 1197 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,920 lot of the time. I've had low esteem throughout 1198 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,920 my life and I don't remember. That's where I keep trying to do 1199 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,320 these things. I keep hoping that I'll achieve 1200 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,360 them. It's I mean, it seems daft like 1201 01:14:54,360 --> 01:15:00,480 that. So try and get yourself part in 1202 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,880 the back noon again for what you have achieved and no, beat 1203 01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,600 yourself up and and again get back. 1204 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,280 You've only won life. So and it's never going to be 1205 01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:11,520 perfect. You're all going to make 1206 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:15,680 mistakes and struggle and and we're all human and we're all 1207 01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,840 frail and and they're always going to be someday better, 1208 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:24,000 faster, higher, longer or more often. 1209 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,040 You know what I mean? You're an experiment and one as 1210 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,520 you're saying, and you just want to try and work for your best. 1211 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:36,400 But you know, chilling when you're in a True Grit like and 1212 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:42,680 digging in, keeping going, do your best, do what you can and 1213 01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,680 whatever you've done, it's an achievement and it's success. 1214 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:51,200 And if it's no like, just try and move on and learn further. 1215 01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,880 There are more things new there. There's so many social influence 1216 01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:00,640 and then folk me a lot of these sort of lifestyle kind of 1217 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,640 hearts. I hate that word show the word 1218 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:12,040 tip, but I just just go for it yeah, where she can and always 1219 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,200 go to the things getting in the way and try and overcome them 1220 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:19,640 and. I think that's brought us to a 1221 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:24,680 close for tonight and we might have lost some people with the 1222 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,640 detail that you went into in your your heart problems, but. 1223 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,920 That's OK. Because we were fascinated about 1224 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,240 it. Apologise. 1225 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,040 I've been awful. I guess you think there was some 1226 01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,840 people because you've been bored and talking too much like that. 1227 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,160 No, no, it. Wasn't boring, it was just it 1228 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:44,400 was so technical it's. It's important to mention that 1229 01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,960 some of the technicalities. I apologise about that. 1230 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,520 And if anybody wants to get in, I had a message with somebody 1231 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,320 that night that a friend's got some. 1232 01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,600 I've got an arrhythmia problem. Can I give you my name? 1233 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,120 I'm quite happy to, but I mean as a long complicated journey 1234 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:06,920 and and I've never got the question of your hallucinations. 1235 01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,400 Well, every every year. What? 1236 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,480 I've got a cracker for that. I've got what? 1237 01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,560 Is the you've done many races that have taken you through 1238 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,760 mountains up and down the West Highland Way. 1239 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,080 What is your best solution nation during it? 1240 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,360 My first life silent waves, like starting at 2:00 in the morning. 1241 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,960 And so you're getting a wee bit dark and I had the standard ones 1242 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,080 like you're seeing white reflections. 1243 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,600 You think there's a mini boss or animals or whatever. 1244 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,920 And I did have frogs jumping in front of you and there were real 1245 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,680 frogs when that last bit of Landava because it was pretty 1246 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,560 money. But first UTMB 2011 never been 1247 01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,000 in that type of mountain race. I hadn't been at altitude. 1248 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,640 I've been cycling there and all the Tour de France stages, but 1249 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,280 so kicks off the way to half 11 at night. 1250 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,480 So the sleep deprivation is going to do the box in total it 1251 01:17:57,480 --> 01:18:03,200 was 65 hours up 8 there in the morning takes storm coming in. 1252 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,080 It's going to start at half 11 at night. 1253 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,840 Fine, pour in the rain. They've got -10 snow three 1254 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:16,520 everything going coldest saying on an the halfway point. 1255 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,960 So they changed the route. I know what you mean. 1256 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,320 You're getting texts. I was in the look there. 1257 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,240 So as long as there's somebody there and they're not stopped 1258 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,000 now, I'll just keep going. So I'm keeping going and they've 1259 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,520 changed the route. Bovine checkpoint got blown away 1260 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,000 because there was too windy and too dangerous for the marshals. 1261 01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,800 So they really reroute your way in the Martingale. 1262 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,360 So I'm coming down to Martingale and some of you, I'm thinking 1263 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,440 this is Valor scene. So 6:00 in the morning, think 1264 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:46,480 I'm doing great. Thank you. 1265 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,240 I'm getting the sun license though, and I'm getting the full 1266 01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,200 farted away. And I thought, bra, so the ghost 1267 01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,440 in the tailing and I see all these people going up and doing 1268 01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,400 vineyards on the path. I thought we were going up 1269 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,880 there. Now we're up this road towards 1270 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,760 these vineyards and they're just adding on there and climb there 1271 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,920 and there's a few young guys lying about the road there that 1272 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,840 time in the morning smoking a flashlight and they've got the 1273 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,280 bottle of wine and they're they're all looking to fuck you 1274 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,200 guys there and say what are you doing with? 1275 01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:20,000 So anyway, I guess in the ball I've seen, I've not got a clue. 1276 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,400 I've bought these Mizuno wave higher than no toolbox. 1277 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,200 It was too small. My feet were absolute agony. 1278 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:29,080 So I popped a couple of paracetamol and chlorine 1279 01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,440 tablets. So I'm probably saying these 1280 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,360 must have had an effect. So I guess that's an evaluation. 1281 01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,600 We're in the marquee and walks here. 1282 01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,520 I told it for the I'm in a race. So I gets on the phone early, 1283 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,240 mobile phone, phones up. My wife, I say what's the 1284 01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:50,520 quickest way to Chamonix and she thinks I've had a soak. 1285 01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,840 So she's shouting George, George, St. 1286 01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,960 George, George, talk to him like I think he's in a soak and I'd 1287 01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:03,680 say to George got a minibus. So he's asked about the minibus. 1288 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,720 So George comes a phone. Just ask for some directions 1289 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,280 there just ask for some direction and I noticed I had a 1290 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:12,960 number on and the American comes there and says what's your 1291 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,040 problem meet us. He's there What's the what's the 1292 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,040 weight of Shammi? She's oh you've come in the 1293 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,240 Marquis at all. Why are we like track 1 and go 1294 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,960 back early. I've not a clue I'm full I'm on 1295 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,080 the phone. I don't know it's a 1296 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,120 hallucination or a brain fade like that. 1297 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,240 I blamed or anyone eventually got finished was in the evening 1298 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:35,880 at the fog 2:00 in the morning and sleep degradation but that 1299 01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,680 was a cracker and it's the only one the only ever one of had 1300 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:43,520 Mike is keeping thinking people are behind you keep turning 1301 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,200 around and keep thinking people are behind you in the dark. 1302 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:51,400 I don't know the shadows or sharp from your rock sack or or 1303 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,240 something like that like that. If you get a hallucination, good 1304 01:20:55,240 --> 01:21:00,360 value for money, definitely. Well, I forgot on that same race 1305 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:04,320 prior to that near Champriolac, you go see woods every night and 1306 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,520 I'm thinking I'm seeing a big spider and what a wizard was 1307 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,040 actually against having his mountain bike at a puncture. 1308 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,720 And it was like 1:00 in the morning and he had fluorescent 1309 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,920 smokes and there were my head tortures hitting them. 1310 01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,720 And I'm seeing this thing going bottle for it. 1311 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,680 And then shortly the back of that I'm apologizing to a couple 1312 01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,520 that are sitting under a tree slogging. 1313 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,920 Was he there? I have no idea. 1314 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,200 I don't know what I don't know what my head touching. 1315 01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,840 I literally there was some in there that looks like 2 people 1316 01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:42,240 and then embrace. I'm sorry, I don't know 1317 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,920 modernist, but that's OK taking you back. 1318 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:48,640 It's such an intention and I'll let you go in. 1319 01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,840 Thank you. Bob, it has been fantastic. 1320 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,800 There's one I, I think, and I think Nicky, I agree with this. 1321 01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,680 There's a saying that I think Bob sums us up and it's we don't 1322 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,720 stop because we grow older. We grow older because we stop, 1323 01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,320 and there's no stopping for Bob so. 1324 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,320 Absolutely. Thank you. 1325 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,000 Thanks. That's a nice SharePoint then, 1326 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:15,560 mate. Thank you. 1327 01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,320 So it's just from me. Thank you, Nicky for being 1328 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,680 Nicky. Thank you, Bob, for all the 1329 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:27,200 detail, all the the openness of everything and it's goodbye for 1330 01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,200 me. Thanks very much for inviting 1331 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:29,880 me. Thank you. 1332 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,160 Take care. Bye.