1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,100 Welcome to she persisted I'm your host Sadie Saxton a 19 year 2 00:00:04,100 --> 00:00:07,100 old from the Bay Area studying psychology at the University of 3 00:00:07,100 --> 00:00:10,400 Pennsylvania. She persisted is the Teen Mental 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,800 Health podcast made for teenagers by a team in each 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,400 episode. I'll bring you authentic 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,300 accessible and relatable conversations about every aspect 7 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:21,600 of mental Wellness. You can expect evidence-based, 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,100 Tina, proof resources, coping skills, including lots of DBT, 9 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:28,300 insights and education. In each piece of content, you 10 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:31,700 consume, she persisted It offers you a safe space to feel 11 00:00:31,700 --> 00:00:33,800 validated and understood in your struggle. 12 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,300 While encouraging you to take ownership of your journey and 13 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:40,900 build your life worth living. So let's dive in this week on. 14 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:44,200 She persisted one of the things that a lot of people are coming 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,800 to me for is they're dealing with a lot of microaggressions, 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,400 a lot of racial tension, and they're starting to notice that 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,400 it's all becoming a bit too much. 18 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:55,900 A lot of people they're just coming because they're 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,100 exhausted. They're just exhausted from 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,200 having to constantly. For that seat at the table. 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,800 And as one client of mine, put it. 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,600 She said we worked so hard to get that seat of the table that 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,300 when we get there were so exhausted. 24 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:10,700 We don't even know what to do. Now that we have the microphone. 25 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:12,600 Hello. Hello, and welcome back to. 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,900 She persisted. Today's episode is an amazing 27 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:18,300 one that I know is going to be. So helpful to so many of you 28 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:20,900 guys, we have Nancy Diaz on the podcast. 29 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:23,900 She's a trauma-informed, therapist for women of color who 30 00:01:23,900 --> 00:01:26,700 are Daughters of immigrants and we talked about so many things, 31 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:28,800 we talk about systemic oppression, we talk about 32 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,100 generational healing, Navigating identity issues setting, 33 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:35,800 boundaries in relationships and how to support someone that is 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,900 navigating. These challenges is was so 35 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:40,800 enlightening for me to have this conversation with Nancy and I'm 36 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,000 so grateful for her for sharing so many amazing tips and tricks 37 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,900 and resources. So let's just dive into it. 38 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:50,900 And as always leave review, subscribe follow on social media 39 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:54,600 at she persisted podcast. So yeah, let's dive into it. 40 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:56,500 Well, thank you so much for joining me today. 41 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:58,000 Nancy. I'm so excited to have you and 42 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,100 she persisted. Yeah, thank you so much. 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,100 So good to be here, of course. So I would love to start with 44 00:02:04,100 --> 00:02:07,200 your background, how you became a trauma-informed, therapist, 45 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,300 and specializing in this area, in this demographic. 46 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:12,500 And yeah, what led you to working within the mental health 47 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:14,200 field? Yeah, of course. 48 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,200 So yeah, my name is Nancy Diaz, and I'm a trauma-informed, 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,900 therapist and I specialize in working with women of color who 50 00:02:19,900 --> 00:02:23,700 are Daughters of immigrants and I work with issues such as 51 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:26,400 identity crisis. He's, and that's such a tricky 52 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,900 word to say, isn't it? Yeah, but yeah, things like 53 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:32,700 anger, things like Trauma, all kinds of things. 54 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:36,900 There's so much happening with this particular demographic but 55 00:02:36,900 --> 00:02:39,500 yeah identity issues. That's that's one of the main 56 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:42,500 ones and that's what I wanted to talk about today because this is 57 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:45,900 something that actually starts when you're an adolescent. 58 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Yeah. So I would love to first before 59 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,000 we dive into identity talk about why these are more prevalent 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,900 issues and women of color Daughters of immigrants. 61 00:02:55,900 --> 00:02:58,800 Why did they are more likely to struggle with identity issues 62 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,800 and why they are more? Risk. 63 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,500 And what you've seen in your practice. 64 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Yeah, of course. So I think one of the main 65 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,000 reasons that this affects this demographic is because we tend 66 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,400 to grow up between two different cultures. 67 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,700 So our immigrant parents are from one country. 68 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:18,700 We grew up in a totally different country. 69 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,800 Usually, there's a clash of values, there's just a clash of 70 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,800 everything and you grow up feeling as if you're not enough 71 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,500 of one and you're not enough of the other. 72 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,800 And so, So yeah, in this very important stage of development, 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,100 It's tricky because you really want to fit in. 74 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,400 But at the same time you don't want to let go of your parents 75 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,500 culture, your parents Roots, You Want To Own that, but you want 76 00:03:46,500 --> 00:03:51,300 to fit in and unfortunately some countries are not very welcoming 77 00:03:51,300 --> 00:03:54,700 of you to show up as yourself. And then it just depends on, you 78 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:58,500 know, your peer group as well and how welcoming they are and 79 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:02,400 how much they want you to show of So, and so, yeah, there's all 80 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,700 kinds of things that might impact this. 81 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:08,100 How much you've assimilated acculturated? 82 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:13,900 And yeah, I think how much you actually know about your parents 83 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:17,399 culture, and how you've grown up and the messages that you 84 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:20,700 receive from your parents. But also from society, as far as 85 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:23,100 how much you should own that identity. 86 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:26,800 So yeah, that's pretty much it and nutshell what are some 87 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,300 common characteristics of struggling with identity? 88 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:32,400 It's Certain thoughts that come up, emotions. 89 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:35,600 You talked a little bit about family dynamics that arise. 90 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:39,300 How are your clients first acknowledging? 91 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:41,400 And noticing that? I think I'm struggling my 92 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,800 identity. I think I'm struggling to have 93 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,800 these two pieces of me fit together. 94 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:48,800 What are those first signals that listeners can keep an eye 95 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,300 out for? Yeah, I think one of the main 96 00:04:51,300 --> 00:04:55,300 things that I hear is that feeling of not being enough, not 97 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:59,400 being enough of one culture, not being enough of the other, and 98 00:04:59,500 --> 00:05:01,600 then that, I was up in adulthood as well. 99 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,900 It shows up in different ways and thinking that you're not 100 00:05:05,900 --> 00:05:09,100 good enough, that work thinking that you're not good enough. 101 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:12,200 As a parent, I know a lot of people struggle when they become 102 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,200 parents as well and they think oh well what if my child doesn't 103 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,900 learn my parents language? Or you know what if they 104 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:22,000 struggle at school if they're bullied because they look a 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,200 certain way, they're a bit of this weird mix, you know? 106 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:25,900 It's yeah. Yeah. 107 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:30,000 Those are the things to look out for what are your tips for? 108 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:33,600 For teens that are struggling with their relationship with 109 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,300 their parents. They are have this kind of 110 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,600 unique experience from their parents and that they're growing 111 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,100 up somewhere else. We talked about like how it's 112 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:44,800 cool their their friends are coming from a different 113 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,300 background that can sometimes create tension or conflict. 114 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:52,900 What advice and tips do you give your clients for navigating that 115 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:56,000 difficulty and challenge in that relationship with their parents? 116 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:59,700 It really starts with communication and I know that 117 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:03,100 that's Really hard when you're a teen and there's so many 118 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:06,500 different emotions that are coming up and it can be really 119 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:11,200 hard to just slow down and just communicate what it is that 120 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,300 you're feeling. But if you have parents who you 121 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:20,200 think might be responsive to you, just communicating what it 122 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,400 is that you're feeling, then I would definitely recommend 123 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,700 starting their and trying to really focus on I statements. 124 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:30,600 And this is something that I say, you know, Regardless of 125 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,600 your age regardless of who it is that you're talking to. 126 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,300 But especially when you're a teenager and you're struggling 127 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:40,000 to kind of put everything into words and there's a lot of 128 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,300 anger, right? For teens and that especially is 129 00:06:44,300 --> 00:06:47,000 important to use those. I statements because you're just 130 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,700 at that stage where you're kind of angry at the world, you just 131 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:53,100 have so much going on, you of the Raging hormones. 132 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:58,200 You have so much happening that you start to really feel angry 133 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,800 for different reasons and sometimes, Is it valid? 134 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,900 And sometimes it's the hormones but I recommend is communicating 135 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,300 whatever emotion that is. But especially if it's anger by 136 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:11,500 using I statements like I'm just feeling very angry, because you 137 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:14,300 have grounded me and I really wanted to go to this party, you 138 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:17,300 know, that's communicating your emotion versus say, you're the 139 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:19,400 worst. You don't let me do anything 140 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,900 things like that. Instead of placing the blame on 141 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:24,700 that person, try to just communicate how it is that, 142 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:27,000 you're feeling. What it is that you're thinking 143 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,900 and maybe even why it is that your behavior. 144 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:33,500 In a certain way that requires some serious skills. 145 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,000 Some serious. So yarnís and it can be 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,200 challenging but the more that you practice this, the better 147 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,700 that you become but I think in our society we're just so 148 00:07:41,700 --> 00:07:43,800 focused on. This is how we speak this, how 149 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,900 we communicate with people especially when were angry, we 150 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:50,500 use this, you you and obviously it really activates the other 151 00:07:50,500 --> 00:07:54,200 person because then they get really defensive, and then the 152 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,900 communication is really difficult, so that's why I 153 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:58,900 highly recommend using I statements. 154 00:07:58,900 --> 00:08:03,100 When you say I feel It's really hard for the other person to say 155 00:08:03,100 --> 00:08:05,500 like no, you don't feel that way, right? 156 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:08,200 Yeah, I mean, that's your emotions, that's how you feel. 157 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,100 That's what you're thinking. It's hard for them to say like 158 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:13,000 no you don't feel that way. Yeah. 159 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,500 If listeners you're listening and you're like, okay I know the 160 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:19,900 basic emotions but I do struggle to verbalize exactly what I'm 161 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:24,100 experiencing that is me 100%. Especially when I'm overwhelmed 162 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:27,000 with emotion figuring out the exact words is really difficult. 163 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,900 So one of my favorite tips, if you could even call it that as 164 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,700 This app called mood meter and you open it and it shows you 165 00:08:33,700 --> 00:08:36,500 four different quadrants so your high-energy unpleasant 166 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:39,600 high-energy Pleasant low-energy unpleasant and low energy 167 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,200 Pleasant. So, right now I'd say probably 168 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,700 pretty low energy but feeling Pleasant and then it breaks down 169 00:08:44,700 --> 00:08:48,400 all of the different spectrums of emotions based on like, how 170 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,300 energized the emotion is, how positive and negative it is. 171 00:08:52,300 --> 00:08:55,700 So it gives you the difference between like mellow, thoughtful 172 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:59,100 peaceful, comfy, Carefree, Serene, cozy, tranquil 173 00:08:59,100 --> 00:09:01,700 complacent, sleep. Like all of these different 174 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:05,400 words that I would never be able to verbalize in the moment and 175 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,100 you can track them as well so you could record your emotions 176 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:10,700 every day. You can record them throughout 177 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:14,100 conflicts or interactions or just different stressors that 178 00:09:14,100 --> 00:09:15,900 come up. And so that's one of my favorite 179 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,400 tips. That's a little bit more fun 180 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,800 than like looking at one of those mood wheels or those 181 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,300 emotion charts for your like I don't want to see another one of 182 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:24,800 those but that's one of my favorites for labeling. 183 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,700 Those what are some common? I statements that you could give 184 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:32,500 examples for When teens are trying to communicate to their 185 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:34,800 parents about struggling with identity. 186 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,500 I feel like it's easier when you're like, okay I'm stressed 187 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:42,100 about school. I'm anxious about a test that's 188 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:45,400 coming up or I'm feeling annoyed at my friends because they're 189 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,400 gossiping about me or something like that. 190 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,300 But these really abstract issues with identity can be so 191 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:54,100 difficult to verbalize and communicate, effectively, what 192 00:09:54,100 --> 00:09:58,000 are some other common ways you've heard teens verbalize, 193 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,000 those or tips that you have. From your experience or that 194 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,100 you've seen in clients, where you're like, that's a great way 195 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:05,800 to explain that. That's a great eye statement 196 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,700 that can be used. Yeah, I think one of them is 197 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:13,500 just communicating how you're feeling and just again just 198 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:16,500 verbalizing that because I think a lot of times in my 199 00:10:16,500 --> 00:10:18,900 grandparents, they they have their own issues. 200 00:10:18,900 --> 00:10:21,800 They've just arrived to a new country and even if they've been 201 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,900 there for a while, they're still struggling to adjust to adapt, 202 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:27,700 they have their own traumas. You know, there's a theory that 203 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:31,600 immigration itself is traumatic, Because it's such a huge life 204 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,600 transition. So even if things go really 205 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,700 smoothly, you know, there's the theory that immigration itself 206 00:10:36,700 --> 00:10:39,100 is a trauma. So if we look at it through that 207 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:42,500 lens through that point of view, they have so much going on that 208 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:46,200 often times, they can't be fully present and they can't ever 209 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,500 really understand our own experience. 210 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:51,100 So communicating that with an i statement, and just saying that. 211 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:53,900 Because I think a lot of times for our children of immigrants, 212 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:58,200 we have this guilt of, you know, they sacrificed so much for us 213 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,600 and we can't really voice Arnie. Our concerns because they are 214 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:08,100 going through so much still and I just need to be okay and I 215 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:10,300 can't really be a burden to them. 216 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,000 And for a lot of the children of immigrants, we've been parental 217 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,300 fired as and we have to grow up really quickly because we often 218 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:18,800 have to help her immigrant parents. 219 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,500 So even if that's translating documents interpreting, 220 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:25,400 parent-teacher conferences or even if we're not doing any of 221 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,500 those things, but yeah, just helping them like oh this is 222 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,800 what, you know, people do. Do in the US. 223 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,600 And this is different from in your country. 224 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,500 But you know, explaining things like that. 225 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:36,900 And so often times we have to grow up very quickly. 226 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:41,300 And so it becomes hard for us to really stop slow down rest, take 227 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:43,300 care of ourselves and so communicating. 228 00:11:43,300 --> 00:11:47,300 Those needs with their parents and saying, like, I am feeling 229 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:51,900 really exhausted because I have this project happening at 230 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:56,100 school, and you're asking me to help you with this league taxes, 231 00:11:58,100 --> 00:11:59,900 but it's feeling really overwhelmed. 232 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,100 And so maybe even starting with that and communicating and just 233 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:08,000 saying like, I really want to help you with your taxes but you 234 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,800 know, maybe we can find someone this year that can help you or, 235 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,900 you know, is there any way that we can get some things off of my 236 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:17,100 plate? And with the identity crisis, 237 00:12:17,100 --> 00:12:20,600 maybe just communicating like, I'm finding it really hard to 238 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,100 fit in because I don't want to be embarrassed of you guys but 239 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:28,900 at the same time I'm getting teased at school or you know I'm 240 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,100 feeling. Not comfortable. 241 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:34,100 We call them the lunch box moments when you show up with 242 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:38,300 food from your parents culture and you feel embarrassed by it 243 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,700 and so communicating that lunchbox moment and saying I am 244 00:12:42,700 --> 00:12:46,900 feeling like not that comfortable isn't showing up 245 00:12:46,900 --> 00:12:50,800 with this food and and just letting them know like this is 246 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,500 why someone made this comment and really not keeping that all 247 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:56,900 to yourself. I think that's the most 248 00:12:56,900 --> 00:13:00,100 important thing because then you take that with you in To 249 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:04,200 adulthood and you carry that shame and then we struggle with 250 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,200 the guilt as we become older. We realize like, oh my God, that 251 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,600 must have been awful what I did. Even when I was thinking that I 252 00:13:11,608 --> 00:13:14,600 was ashamed of my parents culture, I should have just you 253 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,600 know not cared but of course when you're a teenager it just 254 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:18,900 makes sense. You're in that stage of 255 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:22,600 development where identity is super important and fitting in a 256 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,900 super important. So I think the other thing I'm 257 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:28,700 going to say is yes, use those I statements to communicate but 258 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:31,600 also don't be be super hard on yourself. 259 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,400 If you are struggling with this, it's completely normal, it's 260 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,900 completely natural. That it's definitely something 261 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:41,400 that all humans experience that wanting to belong wanting to fit 262 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,300 in. And so if you're struggling 263 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,600 because you feel like you're grown up between two different 264 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,900 cultures, two different worlds, it's completely normal to feel 265 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:54,600 as if you are failing, as if you aren't fitting in and is, if 266 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,000 you're never going to fit in, it's definitely a tricky thing. 267 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,400 But if you can, I recommend working The therapist to really 268 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,500 start to develop that self-esteem and develop that 269 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:09,600 confidence and work toward actually feeling good in your 270 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,100 identity and owning it other resources that people can look 271 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:15,200 for when you're working with a therapist, you're a 272 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,000 trauma-informed therapist. Do you recommend that children 273 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,700 of immigrants all look for trauma-informed? 274 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:24,300 Therapist is there an effective way to ask therapist if they 275 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:26,900 have experience working with Children of immigrants or people 276 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:29,200 of color? What would you look for on the 277 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,300 other side? I'd if you were finding a 278 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:33,900 therapist for when your clients are for yourself? 279 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:37,000 Yeah, it can be a little bit tricky, but luckily, there are 280 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,400 quite a few resources and you definitely can. 281 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,600 You can find people who specialize in this such as 282 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,800 myself. I'm very clear on my website. 283 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,400 This is who I work with my talk about these issues on my podcast 284 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,300 on social media. I'm talking about this and I do 285 00:14:52,300 --> 00:14:55,000 know you didn't follow quite a few therapists who, you know, 286 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,800 are talking about the experience of children of immigrants. 287 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,900 So you definitely can find people who Flies in this, 288 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,600 there's not too many of us who really specializes in this and 289 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,800 work with this population in particular, but if you find a 290 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,100 therapist that you think is a good fit and you're not sure if 291 00:15:11,100 --> 00:15:14,300 that's something that they have experience working with, you can 292 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:17,600 definitely ask them that and email in the initial 293 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,400 consultation call you could just say to you of experience, 294 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,400 working with Children of immigrants or you can say like I 295 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:28,900 want to communicate my thoughts and feelings and just work on 296 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:31,400 the Immigrant experience. Variants and communicate that 297 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,000 way. But yeah, there are fortunately 298 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,300 directories and these aren't available in certain countries, 299 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:41,600 but in the u.s. there are quite a few inclusive therapists. 300 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,700 There's therapy for black girls, there's a lot next therapist, 301 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:46,700 there's Asian directories as well. 302 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:51,200 There's all kinds of specific directories for people of color 303 00:15:51,500 --> 00:15:54,900 and you can filter those and look for people who work with 304 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,900 teens, or look, for people who may be special. 305 00:15:57,900 --> 00:16:00,900 And I think identity crisis is One of the things that you can 306 00:16:00,900 --> 00:16:04,000 check the box on sites like the inclusive therapist. 307 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,300 I know, I think they have that one. 308 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:08,600 So, yes, luckily it's something that's being talked about a bit 309 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,000 more. It's something that's being 310 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,400 recognized that people are struggling with this. 311 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:16,000 So, yes, I do recommend we even doing a Google search like 312 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,000 children of immigrants therapist or immigrant therapist and then 313 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,000 looking on these directories, if you are in the u.s. if you're 314 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,800 outside of the US it's a little bit trickier but yes, that is 315 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,500 something that I'm pretty passionate about helping people. 316 00:16:29,900 --> 00:16:31,700 Go find that their purpose. That's a good fit. 317 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:34,700 So if I have a consultation call with someone and I don't end up 318 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:39,000 being a good fit, I have my own large network of therapists who 319 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,800 go to specialize in these issues that I might be able to refer 320 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,000 you to. So definitely feel free to reach 321 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,100 out and I'm happy to connect you because I know I can be a little 322 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,200 bit tricky and up especially in the u.s. when therapist can only 323 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,000 see people in their state and if you live in a state where 324 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,300 there's not that many therapists who specialize in this or they 325 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:58,700 might be full, it can be really tricky. 326 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:00,300 So I would just say Don't give up. 327 00:17:00,300 --> 00:17:01,700 Hope. Just reach out. 328 00:17:01,700 --> 00:17:03,500 I'm happy to help and try to connect you. 329 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:06,400 If I don't have space myself, I'll definitely make sure that 330 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,599 you find someone because I know it can be definitely a journey 331 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,000 and it can be quite challenging and overwhelming. 332 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:15,300 So, happy to help. I think that's been one of the 333 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:19,700 greatest things that came out of covid is the norm of Telehealth 334 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:22,800 and having virtual appointments for a therapist that would 335 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,800 normally do only in office because like you said, a lot of 336 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,600 these certifications or having your license is within a state 337 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,400 and And so you could meet someone that's a four hour drive 338 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,100 away from you or across the state and still be able to meet 339 00:17:36,100 --> 00:17:39,200 with them, rather than having to drive to their office every 340 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,900 single week or wait for their patient load to go down because 341 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:44,900 there's only one therapist in your area. 342 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,400 Yeah, it's added a lot of convenience. 343 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Yeah, I work with people all over the world. 344 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,000 I'm actually located in Australia, but I work with 345 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,900 clients and Europe and the US and Australia it in Asia 346 00:17:57,900 --> 00:17:59,700 sometimes. So yes it's been. 347 00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:02,500 For that unfortunately with the u.s. it. 348 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:06,100 Yeah, Telehealth is amazing. But if your therapist your 349 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:09,500 license in a certain State, you cannot tell you someone who's in 350 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:12,000 another state. So yeah, even with the power of 351 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,900 zoom and all this technology, that is something that is quite 352 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,400 frustrating. So yes, because I am outside of 353 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,400 the US. It makes it easy for me to be 354 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,200 able to see people, no matter what state they're in in the 355 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,600 u.s. Yes. 356 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,700 Oh yes. That's that's the amazing thing 357 00:18:27,700 --> 00:18:29,700 of Telehealth and Remis of living. 358 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:34,200 Abroad is that I'm not limited by the licensing in the u.s. so 359 00:18:34,300 --> 00:18:36,800 yes that's been definitely. One of the reasons that I chose 360 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,200 not to get licensed over there. I said it limits you so much and 361 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,300 I think because this is so needed and because it's so hard 362 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:46,400 to find someone who specializes in working with Children of 363 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,000 immigrants. I said, Okay, I want to be able 364 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,700 to have my doors open no matter where you are in the world. 365 00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:56,200 If you want to work on these issues, then come as you are. 366 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,500 My favorite part of my morning routine is making my Iced 367 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:02,200 vanilla latte. I love it. 368 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:03,800 I go to bed. Looking forward to it. 369 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,700 I love waking up making my coffee, drinking it while I get 370 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:10,400 ready for the day, but I found that on days. 371 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,500 When I have a ton of classes or a ton of studying to do, I'm not 372 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:16,800 feeling alert and awake enough from that one cup of coffee and 373 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,500 it's difficult because I'm like I don't want to be drinking tons 374 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:22,800 of coffee, but at the same time, I need to be energized and 375 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,000 focused and productive. 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She persisted one more time. 396 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,100 It is Magic mind, dot Coast, as she persisted to perfect your 397 00:20:33,100 --> 00:20:37,700 morning routine today, I love that either other books podcast 398 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:40,700 people to follow websites. I don't know if there's even 399 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:44,200 like Crisis Support lines that specifically specialize in 400 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:47,600 crisis situations for children of immigrants, people of color. 401 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,100 But what other resources are there for people that either 402 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:52,800 don't have access for therapy or maybe they're like I'm not sure 403 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,700 if I want to take that step yet. What other resources do you 404 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:59,300 recommend? Yeah, one of the resources that 405 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:02,800 I recommend someone who really talks about the issues that 406 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,500 children of immigrants experience. 407 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,600 You can follow the account on Instagram. 408 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,100 It's called brown girl therapy, and she talks quite a bit about 409 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:12,400 this. She's the daughter of immigrants 410 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,800 herself. And so she talks about a lot of 411 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,200 the mental health issues. She's a therapist as well. 412 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,300 And so she talks about these and so, yeah, she's the one who kind 413 00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:23,800 of inspired me to get into this work and to really say, this is 414 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,100 what I want to specialize in, there wasn't a lot of people. 415 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,900 I mean that's and I didn't know if it was a good idea but I just 416 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,500 said okay I'm loving her content. 417 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:35,700 I'm loving her work. I want to also join forces and 418 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:38,800 do something similar so you can follow brown girl therapy. 419 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:43,000 There are other therapists who are on social media who maybe 420 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,700 don't focus in the same way as she does. 421 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:50,000 But yeah, there's round Mama trauma that you can follow as 422 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,200 well. There is brown girl, cycle 423 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,800 Breakers. There's all kinds of accounts 424 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,700 that you can follow on Instagram and And yeah, some of them have 425 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:01,300 podcasts as well. So I think if you start with 426 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:04,100 those yeah, you'll slowly find the answer. 427 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:07,700 I did a panel a really long time ago. 428 00:22:07,700 --> 00:22:10,200 It probably was like at least a year or two years ago when I 429 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,600 first read the podcast and it was a mental health self-care 430 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,000 kind of panel and brown girl therapy was also on it and 431 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,600 really want to have her on the podcast. 432 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,100 You got really busy because she's writing a book or she was 433 00:22:21,100 --> 00:22:23,200 running both last time I reached out. 434 00:22:23,300 --> 00:22:26,000 So still going to pitch still going to try and get her on but 435 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,400 she's amazing and she does So much wisdom and insight and her 436 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,600 content is amazing. One thing that I do want to 437 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,500 touch on, which I think will be interesting to get your 438 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:38,300 perspective on is systematic oppression and how that relates 439 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:40,600 to mental health. I feel like most people kind of 440 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,300 have an idea of a definition or generally how that impacts 441 00:22:44,300 --> 00:22:45,900 Society. But how do you see that 442 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:48,100 impacting people's mental health? 443 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:50,600 But that's emotions their relationships, their thought, 444 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,900 patterns, their beliefs. How does that show up in that 445 00:22:53,900 --> 00:22:56,100 kind of like identity and personal sense? 446 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,500 Yes, those are. Quite often, I mentioned the 447 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:00,400 beginning. That's one of the issues that I 448 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,800 see quite often with this population is that racial trauma 449 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:05,600 that comes from the systemic oppression. 450 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,100 And so yeah that's one of the things that a lot of people are 451 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:12,700 coming to me for our especially at this moment is they're 452 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,000 dealing with a lot of microaggressions, a lot of 453 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,200 racial tension at work. They're starting to notice that 454 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,200 it's all becoming a bit too much. 455 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,200 So whether it's a lot of people they're just coming because 456 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,200 they're exhausted, they're just exhausted from Having to 457 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,000 constantly fight for that seat at the table. 458 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:34,100 And as one client of mine, put it she said it, we work so hard 459 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:36,600 to get that seat of the table that when we get there were so 460 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,200 exhausted. We don't even know what to do 461 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,400 now that we have the microphone. And so yeah, that's one of the 462 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,100 things that I'm seeing that it's really impacting our mental 463 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:47,000 health and I'm glad that more people are talking about it now 464 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,100 because it definitely is something that, you know, we 465 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:53,900 don't think about like oh this is, you know, the reason behind 466 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:57,100 my depression this is the reason that I'm more anxious or you. 467 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,800 No, this is the reason that I am struggling with being triggered 468 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,900 at work and things like that. But yeah, this is definitely one 469 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,400 of those things that, you know, can be something like complex 470 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,300 trauma because it's not necessarily from one event, you 471 00:24:11,308 --> 00:24:14,200 don't have to be attacked because of your race. 472 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,400 In order to be experiencing racial trauma. 473 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,000 I can just be from microaggressions that you've 474 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,600 experienced throughout your life and that it's really taken that 475 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,200 toll. And so now that you're reaching 476 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,000 out for help another way that Compression shows up is the 477 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,800 barriers that you have in accessing those Mental Health 478 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,600 Resources. So that's why I'm glad that 479 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,200 there are directories that exist. 480 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,100 That make it a, hopefully a little bit easier to find a 481 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:42,500 therapist of color that maybe can relate to your experiences 482 00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:46,100 that maybe is well-versed and things like racial trauma. 483 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:49,600 Whose may be more culturally sensitive hands that cultural 484 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,200 humility. So yes, there's definitely quite 485 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,200 a bit that we could talk about with this but that's I think the 486 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,200 main things that I'm seeing is that that racial trauma and 487 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,400 people are coming to actually work through some of that. 488 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,000 A lot of my clients are coming to try to work through some of 489 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,700 these microaggressions, learn tools and techniques. 490 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:10,700 And so, sometimes we even do role playing, or in teach them 491 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:14,900 about micro interventions or how to actually communicate, how to 492 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,400 handle when you are at work, and someone makes a backhanded 493 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,600 comment and you feel like you're not good enough. 494 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:25,400 How would you do that? If that's something that 495 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,400 listeners experience price? Probably in school or in some 496 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,200 Community event. I feel like less teenagers are 497 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,500 in a workplace enough that that would happen. 498 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:36,200 Like most people are doing shifts on the weekend or 499 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,600 something once or twice a week. But if that happens at school or 500 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,100 with, I don't know a teacher or an adult or someone within your 501 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,400 life. How do you recommend people 502 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000 respond to that? The first thing that I tell my 503 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,100 clients is that you cannot be hard on yourself. 504 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,000 We're in whatever way you respond and a lot of people they 505 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000 come because they say I want to stop. 506 00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,600 Freezing. But I just remind them that when 507 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,100 you experience something like this you notice it in your body 508 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:08,200 that you tense up and you feel very activated and so you kind 509 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,400 of go into survival mode and that is completely normal 510 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,500 because you don't know. And we see these things on the 511 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:18,400 news, we might have had friends or family members who have 512 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,900 actually experienced like a horrific attack, that's race 513 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:25,100 Pace or something like that. But either way, we know that 514 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:28,100 these things happen and so it makes sense that When someone 515 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,900 it's just a comment but usually that's how these things start. 516 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:33,900 And so we don't know how bad that's going to get. 517 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:38,200 So it's 100% makes sense that you tense up that you go into 518 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,400 survival mode. And so, if we think about 519 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,300 survival mode and the three responses are the four 520 00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:44,700 responses. Now right. 521 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000 There's fight flight freeze but now there's also pawn and pawn, 522 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,000 I love because it definitely applies, especially when these 523 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,300 situations come up because van is essentially people-pleasing. 524 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,500 And so sometimes, if this Opens your immediate reaction might be 525 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:03,600 to brush it off or pretend that it happened or just to smile at 526 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,200 the person or do something that will please them. 527 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,100 So that the situation diffuses, but sometimes you freeze, and 528 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,900 that's completely normal. And you don't know what to do or 529 00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,300 to say this happens. To me quite often as well, and 530 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,400 that's something that I'm still working on, but I think it 531 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,900 starts with really having that compassion for myself and just 532 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:23,900 saying like I have no idea what's going to happen here and 533 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:28,400 so if I freeze that's okay and I Sigh come back to it, when I 534 00:27:28,408 --> 00:27:30,900 come back to it, I don't have a chance to say anything or do 535 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:34,100 anything and the moment passes and that's okay as well. 536 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,900 We work through these skills and yeah but I think not being hard 537 00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:41,700 on yourself is the first thing and if we do respond in some way 538 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,200 then realizing that that's a fight response and realizing 539 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,100 that that in itself can be risky. 540 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,800 Because again we don't know what this person is going to say. 541 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,500 Do how they're going to react if it's going to escalate. 542 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,000 But yeah I do teach some clients skills such as calling inverses. 543 00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,800 Calling out really learning how to assess the situation and 544 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,400 deciding. Does this person have the 545 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,100 intelligence that capacity to understand if I gently explain 546 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:09,700 like? Okay this is a microaggression 547 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,000 this is why this is saying something that you should be 548 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,300 going around saying this is why this is hurtful to me or 549 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:19,100 offensive or whatever it is you might be able to do that or you 550 00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:22,100 might just be able to tell from that situation that they're not 551 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:25,500 going to smell or equal to that. Yeah and so you have to really 552 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,400 decide time. All of that. 553 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,200 There's so many things that you have to assess and that's why a 554 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,300 lot of us freeze because there's so much that you have to think 555 00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,800 about in that Split Second that you have to really be kind to 556 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,200 yourself if you just freeze and acknowledge that whatever your 557 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,300 response is. So it's a trauma response and 558 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,500 it's valid whether you freeze, whether you decide to fight back 559 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,900 or whether you just run away, you know, I might not look like 560 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:52,700 physically running away but you might just make an excuse to get 561 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:55,800 out of whatever situation isolate that's completely valid 562 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,000 as well. So whatever. 563 00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:59,900 Response is just know that, that's, that's okay. 564 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,900 And, you know, you can practice a little bit, learn about these 565 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:07,500 micro interventions, learn about how to assess these situations 566 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:12,800 if you really want to fight back in this way and learn how to 567 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,900 respond. But again, even if you don't, 568 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:17,900 that's okay. The main thing is really to take 569 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,200 care of yourself after something, like that happens. 570 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,000 And that's something that I started doing this year after I 571 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,200 had some experiences like that, where I was just like, you know, 572 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,800 what, this is actually valid that. 573 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,300 I'm Feeling this way, taken a day off, before for my own 574 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:33,700 mental health and just really sat with it and processed, what 575 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,400 happened? Why I was feeling that way, I 576 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,200 had a chat with my own therapist, whatever it is that 577 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,100 you need to do but especially when something like that 578 00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,400 happens. Definitely don't gasps let 579 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,400 yourself. Don't tell yourself, I'm too 580 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,900 dramatic or. I can't believe that. 581 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:49,700 I had to take the day off because of this simple comment 582 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,600 that someone made be really gentle with yourself and take 583 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,900 care of yourself because what you're experiencing is, 100% 584 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:59,200 valid. And so just remember to take 585 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,300 care of yourself. It's something that is so, so 586 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:04,600 hard for children of immigrants who didn't have that rest and 587 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,000 self-care models growing up, but it is something that's super 588 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,200 important and if we think of self-care, it's become such a 589 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,900 buzzword. It's become so commercialized. 590 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:17,700 It's completely lost all of its meaning, but it's so important. 591 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:20,700 And at the root of it, it's just coping skills. 592 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:22,800 You know, when something like this happens, any life, 593 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,400 stressor, you need to take care of yourself and so we call it 594 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200 self care, but Really, you're looking at what coping skills 595 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,200 you have, how are you coping with the situation? 596 00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:34,900 What are you doing to actually take care of yourself. 597 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,200 So this is one thing that I teach my clients quite a bit 598 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,900 about it self-care because a lot of us didn't have it modeled 599 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:43,100 growing up. We have an unhealthy 600 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:47,500 relationship with self-care. And so we really struggle and we 601 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,400 think that we have to earn rest and we think that we have to 602 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,300 earn self-care and we think that we just don't deserve it unless 603 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:58,700 we accomplished x y and z. Z and then we think okay maybe 604 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:03,100 now I can rest a bit but if we think about it we never end up 605 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:04,800 accomplishing everything on her to-do list. 606 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,400 You know, there's always that next degree to chase after that 607 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,500 next promotion. There's always something and we 608 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,600 are, I think by Nature, a lot of children of immigrants were 609 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800 people Pleasers. We have trouble setting 610 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,300 boundaries, we have trouble really putting our needs first 611 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:24,000 and communicating those needs. And so this is why I actually 612 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,400 have been hosting these workshops that I call Soul Care 613 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,900 versus self. Are so that I can teach people 614 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:31,500 like, okay, this is why it's important and this is why it's 615 00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,300 huge for you to actually put your own Mental Health. 616 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:37,200 First put your own needs first and learn how to have a healthy 617 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,700 relationship with self care and learn to practice what I call. 618 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,500 Soul Care, which is just how to nourish replenish and feel 619 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:48,000 rejuvenated after you find your own type of Soul care. 620 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,500 I love that. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the 621 00:31:51,508 --> 00:31:53,900 one thing that I'm super passionate about is just helping 622 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,900 people find those basic techniques. 623 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,700 Kills, find that type of Soul Care. 624 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:01,700 That works for them because I think a lot of us were self-help 625 00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:04,000 junkies. We listen to podcast, we read 626 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,600 books, we try to do all of the things that you know, are 627 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,100 recommended to us. We try to journal, we try to 628 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:13,900 meditate, we try all of these things and sometimes it just 629 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:17,800 isn't working. And so, yeah, I think it's 630 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,600 Unique to each person. I think finding that type of 631 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,400 Soaker. So that's what I hope people do. 632 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:27,900 I really like what you mentioned about, how it still It'd be 633 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:32,700 drilling and very impactful and bring up a lot of emotions. 634 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,200 Even when you observe something or you see something in the 635 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,600 news, even if it doesn't happen directly to you and it reminds 636 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,000 me of something we learned in my abnormal, psychology class about 637 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,900 PTSD diagnosis. And prior to 9/11, the diagnosis 638 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:50,300 criteria was that you had to be there, you had to be the one 639 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,200 directly involved in the traumatic event. 640 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,900 It had to happen to you or close loved one and they found that 641 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:58,900 during 9/11 people. People that were sought through 642 00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:02,400 window or they saw it on TV or they had a family or member, a 643 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,100 friend who was it on a plane or in the building or a first 644 00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,300 responder. They also started developing 645 00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:12,800 these symptoms of PTSD and this really intense response to this 646 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,900 traumatic event without being involved with it or directly 647 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,800 observing it. And so these symptoms these 648 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,500 emotions, they still arise through observation, and it's 649 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,800 more likely that you get that diagnosis. 650 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,500 So you develop the symptoms, the closer you are to the Events. 651 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:32,000 So people that had a partner or a family member that was in the 652 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,200 event experience, the most likely development of PTSD 653 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,700 symptoms, then people that were maybe going to go to work in the 654 00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:42,400 same neighborhood that day versus people that saw it on the 655 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,900 news and kind of going like outward in that Circle. 656 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:48,500 And I think what makes these stories that we see on the news. 657 00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:51,300 So impactful is that it does hit so close to home. 658 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:55,000 You think it could have been me. It could have been a family 659 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,500 member and it's so wide. I'd spread that these emotions 660 00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,900 do arise because they're happening everywhere, it country 661 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:04,400 and the world. And so it's no wonder that these 662 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,900 emotions come up. And that's why it's so important 663 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:10,500 to do the self care to take the time to recharge and take care 664 00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:13,800 of yourselves and know the resources that you have access 665 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,699 to and that you can utilize when you need them because it again, 666 00:34:17,699 --> 00:34:20,199 it's not about. Did this happen directly to you 667 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,000 did it get this bad in this work interaction the same emotions 668 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,699 and reactions can still come up, and that's completely It it okay 669 00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,199 and normal to experience completely valid. 670 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,000 Yeah, and it doesn't have to be, you know, an act of terrorism 671 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,000 for you to experience this type of a PTSD, whether you're there 672 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,699 or whether you're watching it on the news. 673 00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:41,199 But as you're talking, I'm just thinking about, you know, how 674 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:45,000 many of us were deeply impacted by watching the black lives 675 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,300 matter movement and the protests and the riots on the television. 676 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,500 And it's definitely something that has affected us all. 677 00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:54,300 And so if you're still feeling the effects of that and you're 678 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,900 feeling like you're struggling right now, then you definitely 679 00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:02,600 have every reason to, you know, still be angry and still be sad 680 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,100 and still be highly activated and triggered by these 681 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,000 microaggressions that are happening at work and to still 682 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,700 feel like you're struggling with that that PTSD and whether you 683 00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:16,100 want to label it that or not. But yeah, I definitely have 684 00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:19,300 heard this research before of what amazing things kind of 685 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,700 sounds horrible to say but what amazing research has come out of 686 00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:26,100 you know 9/11 that we start to think of trauma in a different 687 00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,700 way. And I am so happy that were 688 00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,200 thinking about it in a different way, because I think a lot of 689 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,900 people experience this complex trauma that I'm so glad that 690 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:38,500 were talking about a bit more. And from there actually came 691 00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:41,000 more intervention strategies as well. 692 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:45,400 And ways to actually help people heal through that trauma. 693 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,900 And one of the things that I learned was that there was a 694 00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:54,300 therapist who was actually doing EMDR with clients for trauma for 695 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,800 that PTSD. He was working with 9/11. 696 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,800 One, victim, survivors, family members, all of that. 697 00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:02,700 And he noticed that he was getting a bit stuck with some 698 00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:05,100 clients. He found him Dr. To be really 699 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,100 amazing but he noticed that there was one client that he was 700 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,900 working with this wasn't related to 911, but he noticed that they 701 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,300 with those eye movements, they got really stuck in one 702 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:21,800 particular location and the client said, oh I want to stay 703 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,300 there. I want to stay focused on that 704 00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:26,300 spot there and so they stayed there. 705 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:31,200 That's what became known as now brain spotting and finding that 706 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,900 particular brain spot where you can access that trauma where you 707 00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:39,100 can actually see that on a deeper level and you have really 708 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:42,300 rapid healing from that trauma. So, that's one thing that I've 709 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,500 been trained in now. And one thing that I love, 710 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:47,600 especially for working with, you know, people who are 711 00:36:47,607 --> 00:36:49,600 experiencing, whether it's racial trauma. 712 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,300 I also see a lot of generational trauma or childhood. 713 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:55,200 Trauma, I see, you know, those are kind of the main three 714 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,400 children of immigrants, usually, Um with and so, when we use 715 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,800 things, like MD our brain spotting or these somatic 716 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,600 approaches, its really huge because we're looking at it as 717 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,900 the trauma is stored in the body and there's often times 718 00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,200 something that's stuck, something that we might not even 719 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,400 know. Is there something that we have 720 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,600 dissociated from as a way of protecting ourselves? 721 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,600 We have blocked off everything and we've just made a very 722 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,200 conscious decision of. I'm not going to think about it. 723 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,800 I'm not going to talk about it and yeah, there's definitely 724 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,800 Hands behind that. It makes sense that we are 725 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600 protecting ourselves from that something that happened that was 726 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,400 horrific or a series of events that over time have become too 727 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,800 much for us to handle, we've just completely detached from 728 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,000 that and that's okay, that's valid and that's why sometimes 729 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,000 self-care is enough. You know, we talk about 730 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,100 self-care and we talk about things that we can do, but yes, 731 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,400 specially when it comes to racial trauma and systemic 732 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,800 oppression, and you know, dealing with these really heavy 733 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,400 things that are very complex, sometimes it is, you know, Going 734 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,000 finding a trauma-informed, therapist doing something like 735 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,100 brain spotting or EMDR or somatic experiencing especially 736 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:07,100 I think, is really helpful for people of color because there's 737 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:10,000 so much that has been stored in our bodies and it's been passed 738 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,800 down from Generations. It's not just something that we 739 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,700 are experiencing now, but the reality is that even if we're 740 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,300 talking about the black lives matter movement, we've all 741 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:23,600 watched that horrific scene on the news and so that definitely 742 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,800 we store that in our bodies. But apart from that, you know, 743 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,100 Talking about what our parents have experience with their 744 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,100 parents have experienced what our ancestors have been through 745 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:35,400 talking about historical trauma, so it can be all pretty heavy. 746 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:38,200 That's the one thing that I want to trap up on which I think 747 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,400 you're referencing, is generational healing, and for 748 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,200 listeners, that aren't familiar with that term before and 749 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,200 haven't heard of that. What is generational healing? 750 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:50,700 And how does that present, where, or show up in the work 751 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,100 that you do with your clients? Is that like the second step 752 00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,800 after they first kind of get a hold on, the emotions that are 753 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,700 coming up in the present. Point, do you start with 754 00:38:57,707 --> 00:39:00,700 generational healing and then work towards what's coming up 755 00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:02,500 for you? Now, how does that fit into 756 00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:05,500 everything else we've touched on the way that I explain it to my 757 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:09,300 clients is that at least with my Approach it's completely client 758 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:13,000 LED and I'm not going to, you know, tell any client that if 759 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,900 they're experiencing anxiety and panic attacks and things that 760 00:39:16,900 --> 00:39:19,300 are really just the symptoms of trauma. 761 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,600 I'm not going to tell them. We're not going to work on that. 762 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,100 We're going to be deep into the drama. 763 00:39:23,100 --> 00:39:29,000 No, no. With the symptoms of trauma and 764 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,400 then we get to actually addressing and trying to heal 765 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,300 that trauma. And the way that I see with 766 00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:37,800 generational healing, there's not too much that you have to 767 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,100 do. It's not like an extra thing 768 00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:41,900 that you have to do. But you showing up to therapy or 769 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:45,800 you doing your own healing work is huge because that's going to 770 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,700 be passed down to the Next Generation. 771 00:39:48,100 --> 00:39:50,800 So it's not necessarily that you and your whole family have to 772 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,600 show up to therapy that you all have to do this healing work. 773 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,800 Often times. It's really hard, especially for 774 00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:01,400 Parents who didn't grow up with the access with the resources 775 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,800 and when there's stigma in our communities and there's all 776 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,100 these things. There's a distrust of medical 777 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:09,800 professionals, because we've been experimented on all these 778 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,500 things, so it can be hard for them to say. 779 00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:15,300 Yes, I'm going to go to therapy, it's not as easy as for us, you 780 00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,100 know, we've grown up in the us or we grown up in these Western 781 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:21,500 countries, where it's just a little bit more accepted, it's a 782 00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,100 little bit easier for us to say. Yeah, I'm going to go because 783 00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:26,700 I've heard that this is good. I know this can help. 784 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,100 It might be a little bit harder, but that doesn't mean that 785 00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:31,700 there's not going to be generational healing because 786 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,600 just, you going to therapy and I see this in this is, I think my 787 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,900 favorite part of being a therapist and especially working 788 00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:40,200 with this population when a client comes in and they tell 789 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,000 me, oh, you know what? We learn in session last week, I 790 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,400 was told my mom about it or, you know, I was telling my little 791 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,200 niece about it or we did this exercise on affirmations it 792 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,500 together with my little sister. Yeah, yeah. 793 00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:54,900 I just see that ripple effect and you know, the way I think of 794 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,000 it, even if you don't have kids Yes. 795 00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:59,700 But you might have, yeah, nieces nephews. 796 00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:02,000 You might be around other children. 797 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,400 You might in some little way shape or form be impacting the 798 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,000 lives of other people. And even if you go backwards, if 799 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,100 you teach your parents or grandparents, even if you don't 800 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:14,900 think that you are teaching or talking about what you're 801 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:16,900 learning in therapy, you have you never tell your family that 802 00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:19,000 you're in therapy? That's your own personal 803 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,100 decision, right? Whether to disclose that 804 00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:25,100 information or not, but you are still learning and healing on 805 00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:29,100 your own and just By doing that you're modeling different 806 00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,200 behaviors or your family members, you know, if you do 807 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,700 have kids or modeling that for your kids, you're showing up, 808 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,200 you don't have that heavy burden of trauma to pass down to your 809 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,800 kids. You don't have that heavy burden 810 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,800 of trauma to show up when you're interacting with your younger 811 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,600 siblings or things like that. So, yeah, it's huge and that's 812 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,800 why I, you know, I think all of my clients are cycle Breakers in 813 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,000 that way because they're showing up and they're doing that 814 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,400 generation on healing. I love that. 815 00:41:56,900 --> 00:42:00,700 To wrap things up, where can people follow you on social 816 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:02,100 media? Where can they find your 817 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:03,800 website? If they want to work with you 818 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,200 and continue to consume your content? 819 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,000 Yeah, so it's pretty easy to find me my practice called 820 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,500 Global citizen therapy. So you can find me on social 821 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:17,300 media on Tick-Tock on Instagram Facebook and our Global citizen 822 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:21,600 therapy and my website is global citizen therapy.com. 823 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,000 My podcast is also called the global citizen therapy podcast. 824 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,900 I made it easy for people to kind of remember, as long as you 825 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:31,400 find one of those you'll be able to access some my other content 826 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,400 and you can make an appointment to work with me on my website or 827 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,500 reach out through one of the Social media platforms as well. 828 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:41,700 Whatever is easiest for you. And you can also sign up to take 829 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:43,700 the soul cameras and self-care workshop. 830 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:46,100 And that's going to be up on my website, pretty soon as well. 831 00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:48,400 Awesome. Well, thank you so much for 832 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,500 joining me. I'm so glad we got to do this 833 00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:53,200 and I learned so much from this conversation and I know 834 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,100 listeners well as well. So, thank you so much for 835 00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,500 sharing all of your wisdom and insight from your journey and 836 00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:00,400 your work with clients and all of that. 837 00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,000 Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you for giving me this. 838 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,400 This opportunity giving me this platform. 839 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,700 It's been amazing and I hope hope that it will help some 840 00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:10,100 people. Thank you, thank you so much for 841 00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:12,400 listening to this week's episode of she persisted. 842 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,900 If you enjoyed, make sure to share with a friend or family 843 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:17,000 member. It really helps out the podcast 844 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,100 and if you haven't already leave a review on Apple podcasts or 845 00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,300 Spotify, you can also make sure to follow along at at she 846 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:26,200 persisted podcast on both Instagram and Tick-Tock and 847 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,600 check out all the bonus resources content and 848 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,100 information on my website. She persisted podcast.com, 849 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,100 thanks for supporting, keep persisting and I'll see you next 850 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:35,600 week.