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Welcome to Sheeper Assisted. 
I'm your host Sadie Sutton, a 19

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year old from the Bay Area 
studying psychology at the 

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University of Pennsylvania. 
Sheeper Assisted is the teen 

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mental health podcast made for 
teenagers by a teen. 

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In each episode I'll bring you 
authentic, accessible and 

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relatable conversations about 
every aspect of mental Wellness 

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you can expect. 
Evidence based teen approved 

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resources, coping skills 
including lots of DBT insights 

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and education, and each piece of
content you consume, She 

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Persisted offers you a safe 
space to feel validated and 

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understood in your struggle 
while encouraging you to take 

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ownership of your journey and 
build your life worth living. 

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So let's dive in this week on 
She Persisted. 

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So you might have heard that it 
takes 10,000 hours to become an 

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expert or something. 
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research. 
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benchmark that they look at when
they see people that are really 

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successful, really high 
achievers that have objectively 

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become really, really good at a 
certain skill or talent or 

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whatever it is. 
But the specific thing that is 

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happening within those 10,000 
hours is actually what allows 

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people to get better. 
We could listen to music for 

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10,000 hours, but that doesn't 
mean that we're a musician. 

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We could watch TV for 10,000 
hours mean that I'm a television

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producer. 
What does allow people to become

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an expert within those 10,000 
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Is this finding? 
Hello. 

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Hello you guys, and welcome back
to She Persisted. 

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If this is your first episode, 
I'm so excited you're here. 

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It is a good one. 
I have been looking forward to 

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this episode all semester and 
actually been really excited 

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about this class and this topic 
for over five years now. 

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If you are not aware, I am a 
senior at the University of 

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Pennsylvania. 
I'm about to start my final 

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semester this week, which is 
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And when I was applying to 
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doing the podcast. 
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wanted to do psychology and 
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area that I wanted to focus on 
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And I looked at a ton of 
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And when it came time for Early 
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on was Penn. 
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specific reasons and everything 
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let me know, DM me, send me an 
e-mail. 

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But when I was writing my Y Penn
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application, I went back to one 
of my favorite books that I read

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in high school. 
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and had such a strong impact on 
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academically and how I looked at
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impact our lives. 
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Duckworth. 
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high school. 
My sister read it in high 

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school. 
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They love it. 
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with Angela Duckworth's work, 
she is a 2013 MacArthur Fellow 

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and professor of psychology at 
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She's advised the World Bank, 
NBA and NFL teams and Fortune 

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500 CE OS. 
She is the founder and CEO of 

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Character Lab, a nonprofit whose
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insights that help kids thrive. 
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neurobiology at Harvard, her 
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neuroscience at Oxford, and her 
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University of Pennsylvania. 
Grit, the Power of Passion and 

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Perseverance is her first book 
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bestseller. 
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essay, I talked about her class 
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learn about grit from her. 
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other labs I wanted to work in. 
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Pen essay and I've been able to 
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mentioned. 
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had talked about in that essay. 
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full circle moment. 
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like I did that, I set those 
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this came really full circle. 
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of my biggest goals coming into 
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was the groundbreaking research 
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incredible minds that were on 
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And so I took her classes last 
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Her class is called Grit Lab, 
fostering passion and 

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perseverance in ourselves and 
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I had been trying to get into 
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and I finally was able to get 
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single class period this 
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so intentional, and you never 
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you had some really tangible 
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in your life. 
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structured, it was absolutely my
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at Penn. 
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innovative. 
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Even though there were 100 
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really engaging super thoroughly
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readings and the research, which
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And so from day one of this 
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this course. 
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this class, which Doctor 
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the end of the semester, is that
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information she gave us is 
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It's online, it's on her 
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Like all of this could be found 
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But the way that she put it 
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the class, the group work that 
she was really intentional 

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about, that's what made it a 
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And so I'm hoping that I can 
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as well, that I can frame this 
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episode that you guys are 
seeking out, choosing to listen 

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to, which hopefully means you're
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implement some of these things 
and make this information 

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accessible to you guys. 
And then you can leave and go 

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and take these pieces of 
information, not having to 

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gather them all yourself and 
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lives. 
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shifted the way I think about my
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goals. 
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for you. 
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episode is we're going through 
all of my notes that I took this

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semester. 
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to go through all these big 
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and share what I think you guys 
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and summarize this and make it 
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So instead of like 3 months, you
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So we're going to start with the
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It was tied to what we were 
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readings we were doing. 
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study that you guys might have 
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If you're familiar with GRIT, 
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viral many a time recently in 
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research is she went to West 
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competitive and excruciating 
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senator. 
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extraordinarily grueling 
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high achievers, he's really 
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There's a 20% drop out rate. 
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selected for all these things 
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workers and people that will 
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make it through training. 
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as she looked at what was 
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West Point. 
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when they're admitting students 
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Canada store. 
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which is SAT scores, ACT scores,
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who would make it through basic 
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Who would get to the next step? 
Who's going to persevere in this

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environment? 
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with regard to admissions, but 
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to dropout rates and who's going
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It's correlated with attitude. 
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these individuals and then 
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out, which ones stayed the 
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score. 
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this attitude of passion and 
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created the grid scale. 
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really, really reliable 
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persevere through this extremely
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fitness and intelligence and 
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but the grid score better 
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in the beast barracks. 
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is that there was no correlation
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score, those numbers that 
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There was no correlation between
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found that it held fast. 
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that are constantly shut down 
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wanting to buy these timeshares 
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again trying to make these 
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Grit scores predicted who would 
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and no personality trait 
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timeshare salesman. 
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Same thing with Chicago Public 
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Grit scores, an adult, predicts 
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one thing. 
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intelligence, our talent, our 
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beginning, this intro to GRIT, 
what it is, how this scale came 

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to be. 
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favourites, which is our 
potential is one thing, what we 

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do with it is another. 
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overview, the foundation is that
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grit. 
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predictor of success in 
retention and these really 

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challenging, enduring 
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So then the other piece of this 
concept that's probably coming 

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to mind now is like, well, that 
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Like people are putting forth a 
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There are time and time again 
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self-control? 
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confused, just that grit and 
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constructs. 
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and they predict different 
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separate constructs. 
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to regulate attention, emotion, 
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And these are correlated, but 
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emotion, and your behavior. 
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goal despite setbacks. 
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align your intentions with your 
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line up with that? 
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this is self-control is your 
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Like do you wake up in the 
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immediately goes off? 
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really huge top level goals. 
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how we can hack our environments
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we break that down and go into a
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choices. 
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detail and explanations as far 
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self-control and talent, because
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grit is your passion and 
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passion is not your intensity, 
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about that goal. 
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great is long term perseverance,
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over five years, 10 years, 20 
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easier when our actions align 
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interests and what we're 
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this innate passion, you have 
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alignment with your actions and 
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you're aligning how you feel and
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grit is not about doing things 

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you don't want to do that 
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those longer term goals. 
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amount of effort you put in 
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skill. 
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effort equals achievement. 
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something times the amount of 
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really big determinant and how 
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long term goal. 
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class, we're talking about 
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the way that you frame goals and
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the finish line. 
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point, that final marker that 
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what increases persistence. 
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success, if you've had a history
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if you're endeavoring on a new 
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going to think about that goal, 
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end point. 
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towards and that is what will 
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months into interviewing for a 
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where you've had some success so
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yourself by thinking about the 
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positives associated with that, 
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psychological force. 
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goals, the way that we think 
about them has a really strong 

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impact on our likelihood to 
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we are and how much persistence 
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goals. 
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a lot, lot, lot of power. 
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first little foundational part 
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sustained passion and 
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goal. 
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Both are malleable. 
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lifetime. 
Success is useful to be thought 

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of as a journey, and an 
appreciation for grit should 

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highlight, not obscure, the 
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opportunity. 
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here. 
The environments you're in, the 

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support you have, the resources 
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to impact how gritty you are, 
how successful you are in the 

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goals that you're achieving. 
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understand what grit is, how 
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into this equation, we talked 
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this equation and that our 
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They can change throughout our 
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this is what's going to 
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then influences that 
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about something and our passion 
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goals about what is important to
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generally enduring and 
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periods of time, which allows us
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people and what we choose to do.
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the goals we set, the people 
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want to keep in our lives. 
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impact on not only our 
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choices and the goals we're 
pursuing and what our lives look

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like. 
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interesting caveat, which I 
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hear. 
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determination theory. 
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the three primary drives that 
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competence, belonging, and 
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We want that sense of mastery, 
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we want that sense of belonging.
We want to feel needed and heard

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and understood and validated. 
That's really, really, really 

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important to us as humans and 
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feel forced or put in a position
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thinking about what your values 
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our biggest goals in life and 
then also our values and our 

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interests, which we just talked 
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for coffee, if we go to class, 
if we do our homework, those are

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our actions, right? 
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goals. 
Maybe it's make new friends, get

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an A in that class, meet someone
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goal, like whatever those low 
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happening over a couple of 
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want to be connected. 
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belonging. 
I want to be successful 

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academically. 
I want to achieve this career 

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goal. 
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goals, which is like our 
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influences our entire lives. 
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us her number one top level goal
that guides everything she does 

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is to help kids thrive using 
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My top level goal at this point 
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change and evolve, but to help 
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mental health and then evidence 
based, accessible and relatable 

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way. 
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influenced by our values and our
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the interest there is 
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health, relationships, all of 
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integrated and related to this 
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So if we think about the school 
hierarchy, we have our 

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day-to-day actions, the choices 
we make, self-control impacts 

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those day-to-day actions and 
those are fueled by our low 

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level goals like I mentioned, 
things like getting a grade on 

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an assignment, doing a new 
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etcetera. 
That we have our mid level 

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goals, going to school, working 
in a certain career field, 

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getting to a certain spot with 
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goal, which is that one leading 

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determining goal that influences
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relationships, the projects we 
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decades of our lives. 
And this caveat here, which is 

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that if you're a young adult 
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you probably don't know what 
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You probably have an idea of 
what your values and your 

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interests are and you're still 
figuring out what those mid 

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level and top level goals are. 
And so this is a really big 

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disclaimer to add here, which is
that you don't need to know what

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your top level, what your final 
goal is yet. 

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You don't need to have that 
completely distilled and nailed 

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down and established at this 
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But it's something that's fun 
and helpful to keep in mind, 

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which is that you probably do 
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You're still figuring out what 
it is, but that's going to 

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impact your mid level goals, 
your low level goals and your 

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day-to-day actions. 
And we were a lot, lot, lot 

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better at exercising 
self-control and achieving that 

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top level goal when we connect 
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So when we say I need to study 
for this test today because it 

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connects to my mid level goal of
getting a good grade in this 

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class, which connects to my 
higher level goal of helping 

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these people with these things 
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So again, the way that we frame 
things, the way we think about 

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them has psychological force 
impacts our actions and our 

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ability to follow through and 
how much self-control we have. 

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So remembering to connect those 
values and that top level goal 

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with those day-to-day actions 
will help you be more successful

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and effective in achieving them.
One thing to add as we're 

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talking about goal hierarchies, 
is that what allows us to 

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succeed in these larger goals 
and to be in alignment with our 

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values and our interests is 
flexibility at the bottom. 

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So we're not rigid with our 
day-to-day actions. 

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We're not rigid with our mid 
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I must get the certain grade on 
this test. 

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I must do the certain hobby. 
I must go to the certain thing. 

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I must get into this school or 
this program. 

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We're more flexible with that 
because we're rigid with our top

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level goal and there are lots of
different ways to get there and 

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there are a lot of things that 
are outside of our control. 

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But it's important to remember 
that what's allows us to 

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persevere over a long period of 
time is flexibility on those 

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lower goals and rigidity for 
that top high level goal that's 

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guiding our choices. 
So you can think about those 

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lower goals, the subordinate 
goals, as a means to an end. 

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We have more flexibility with 
those because there's stepping 

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stones along the way, but 
they're not absolutely required.

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00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,640
They're not like a rung of the 
ladder. 

458
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,400
We can take multiple paths to 
get to that end goal. 

459
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,760
And then I mentioned this, but 
that idea of connecting your 

460
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,960
day-to-day actions to the larger
level goal, that's called goal 

461
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,400
fusion. 
And goal fusion is when you say 

462
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,960
to yourself, your higher level 
goal when you're completing 

463
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,600
tedious things. 
So for me, my goal is to become 

464
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,840
a clinical psychologist to help 
teens that are struggling with 

465
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,680
their mental health in an 
evidence based, accessible way. 

466
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,080
And so when I'm studying for a 
neuroscience test that I don't 

467
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,480
like and that I don't enjoy 
because I like the psychology, 

468
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,400
like social positive, abnormal, 
I like that kind of stuff. 

469
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,920
I like talking to you guys. 
I like sharing these things in 

470
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,160
digestible ways. 
I don't love learning about 

471
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,000
neurons and memorizing every 
single part of the brain. 

472
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,560
I tell myself my goal is to be a
clinical psychologist and to 

473
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,120
help people. 
And a step in achieving that 

474
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,200
goal is doing well in this class
so that I can apply to grad 

475
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,960
school and have a certain GPA 
and be able to achieve that goal

476
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,520
and jump through these hoops in 
an academic setting so that I 

477
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,440
can have the qualifications and 
training to help people in the 

478
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,920
most qualified way possible. 
And so I become more motivated. 

479
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,800
And research shows us you become
more persistent and more 

480
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,080
motivated when you do that goal 
fusion. 

481
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,560
So the next time you're 
struggling with one of those 

482
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,280
tedious things, tie it to your 
larger value, tie it to the 

483
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,360
larger goal. 
What are you trying to achieve? 

484
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,040
And remember, how does this 
day-to-day action, how does this

485
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,920
habit, how does this behavior 
connect to that larger 

486
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,720
principle? 
And then the last thing that I'm

487
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,200
going to mention here about goal
hierarchies and the way that we 

488
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,200
structure and think about our 
goals is that they allow us to 

489
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,520
be focused and directed at this 
one thing when we have our like 

490
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,120
5 different mid level goals. 
Like for me, it's being a 

491
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,800
student at Penn, building my 
skills with regard to media and 

492
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,280
communication, becoming a 
clinical psychologist, sharing 

493
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,520
on TikTok, like all of these 
different things that get me to 

494
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,720
this larger goal of helping 
teens with their mental health 

495
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,760
in evidence of a successful way.
But there's like 6 different 

496
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,680
ways to get me there. 
I can't focus on all those at 

497
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,880
once, but I can focus on that 
higher goal and I can be more 

498
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,000
flexible with these bottom level
goals because I understand what 

499
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,440
my larger goal is. 
So our goal hierarchy helps us 

500
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,840
not be in conflict with these 
lower level goals, not have 

501
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,200
ourselves really spread thin and
overwhelmed, but allow us to be 

502
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,800
more persistent over a long 
period of time because we're in 

503
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,920
alignment and we understand what
that goal is and we can allocate

504
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,240
our energy accordingly. 
So now just to recap as to where

505
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,960
we're at so far. 
We know what grit is. 

506
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,720
We know it's this predictor of 
success and achievement and 

507
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,680
persistence. 
And grit is a result of passion 

508
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,800
and perseverance. 
And our passion is guided by our

509
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,680
interests and our values. 
And the way that we persevere is

510
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,800
by having a goal hierarchy and 
understanding what our leading 

511
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,760
goal is, and then being flexible
with our day-to-day, our month 

512
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,720
to month, our year to year, so 
that we're in general 

513
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,320
persevering towards that long 
term goal and exercising grit to

514
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,520
get us there. 
So we understand the 

515
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,000
psychological principle that's 
showing up here, that's grit. 

516
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,000
We understand how we kind of 
start to understand what our 

517
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,840
passions are that we're being 
persistent towards. 

518
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,440
And we understand that we have 
this framework that will get us 

519
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,440
to this long term goal. 
But how do we set the goals? 

520
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,840
How do we be intentional there? 
How do we know how to do that in

521
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,920
an effective way? 
So we learned this thing called 

522
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,640
the Rubicon model, which is 
basically crossing over a river,

523
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,760
which is when you go from like 
thinking about something to 

524
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,000
actually doing it. 
So you go from deliberating, 

525
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,920
thinking about what the goal is.
You then set your goal and 

526
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,120
that's when you're crossing the 
river and getting to the point 

527
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,680
of actually trying to achieve 
this thing. 

528
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,360
And then after you've crossed 
the river and decided I'm going 

529
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,760
to do this, I'm going to commit.
That's when we plan, we act, and

530
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,560
then we evaluate. 
And this is the cycle with which

531
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,800
we frame and understand goal 
setting and goal achieving. 

532
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,960
And there was a really 
interesting study that was done 

533
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,400
in 1975 that we learned about, 
which was done on Lumberjacks. 

534
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,760
And they did a study in goal 
setting and they gave them two 

535
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:40,960
different goals that they could 
set. 

536
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,400
One was to do your best and the 
other one was a specific goal 

537
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,400
relating to lumberjacking. 
I'm not a lumberjack so I don't 

538
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,560
know exactly what these looked 
like, but generally imagine it's

539
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920
just so bad. 
Like cut down a certain number 

540
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,800
of trees, reach a certain square
footage. 

541
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,320
I don't know exactly what this 
would look like but just pretend

542
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,080
we'll imagine. 
And they found that when they 

543
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,560
framed it as doing your best, 
60% of them met a certain 

544
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,120
performance marker, like a set 
marker that everyone was 

545
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,560
evaluated on. 
But when they set a specific 

546
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,200
goal, a specific hard goal, 95% 
of the people met that external 

547
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,800
marker. 
So being specific, giving 

548
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,880
ourselves measurable things that
we can say, yes, I did that, no,

549
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,520
I didn't. 
And making it hard. 

550
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,200
That is what allows us to 
actually, quote UN quote, do our

551
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,480
best to achieve those things, 
not just giving ourselves these 

552
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,400
abstract concepts like I will 
try my hardest, I will do my 

553
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,560
best. 
Set yourself those specific 

554
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,200
measurable hard goals. 
And then I want to give you guys

555
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,120
a couple of other things that 
are really helpful in setting 

556
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:39,040
goals and things that you should
be aware of when it comes to how

557
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,440
we succeed and thrive and learn 
things as humans. 

558
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,160
So we learned about another 
really interesting study where 

559
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,760
people use ChatGPT to write 
their cover letters. 

560
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,360
And the hypothesis was that if 
you use ChatGPT, you won't 

561
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:54,040
improve as much with your 
ability to write a cover letter 

562
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,400
and put together this final 
product. 

563
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,200
You think, OK, you're like half 
assing it, you're using a 

564
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,680
crotch, you're using AI. 
It's not actually going to get 

565
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,640
you to this final goal. 
That was not the case. 

566
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,040
They got substantially better 
when they use chat GBD in 

567
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280
conjunction with their own work 
versus when they just 

568
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,000
independently worked at trying 
to improve this cover letter. 

569
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,360
So the key here is that we learn
by example. 

570
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,920
That's what allows us to 
accelerate our growth and our 

571
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,280
outputs and our improvement. 
So this is that idea of you 

572
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,200
watch one, do one, teach what we
hear this in medical school. 

573
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,960
If you watch Grey's Anatomy, I 
watch Grey's Anatomy, there's 

574
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,160
this framework where you watch 
when you do, when you teach 1. 

575
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,600
And so this idea of watching 1 
and learning from others and 

576
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,160
using an example, using a 
framework to then replicate and 

577
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,960
implement in your own life is 
really, really powerful and 

578
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,480
really, really effective in 
getting us to those final goals.

579
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,240
Another piece of psychology 
research should be aware of when

580
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,680
we're setting our goals is that 
we have really social brains. 

581
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,120
We learn from others and when 
they do research on like what 

582
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,040
makes the human brain so 
different? 

583
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,160
What makes us such a superior 
species to like apes or chimps 

584
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,760
or lions or whatever these other
mammals are that have similar 

585
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,800
somewhat structures of brains. 
What makes us really powerful is

586
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,280
our social brains, how we're 
able to interact with and engage

587
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480
with our peers, how we 
communicate, how we work 

588
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560
together. 
That is what has given us the 

589
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,680
upper hand in evolution and 
allowed us to thrive. 

590
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,520
So using that social brain to 
our advantage when we're setting

591
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,120
our goals, we know that we learn
from each other and so use more 

592
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,360
models, use more collaboration, 
and that will contribute to the 

593
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:27,880
rate of learning and expertise 
acquired. 

594
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,320
And then the last piece of 
psychology research should be 

595
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,400
aware of when it comes to goal 
setting is this idea called the 

596
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,520
three boxes model. 
It's also called the process 

597
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,560
model. 
Doctor Duckworth worked on this 

598
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,040
with the Stanford psychologist. 
It's really, really interesting.

599
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,560
I want to do a full episode on 
this because it's a super 

600
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,440
interesting framework. 
But if we think about the three 

601
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,240
boxes model, it's an adapted 
version of the process model. 

602
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,760
The process model is that you 
put in a situation, your 

603
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,000
attention is directed somewhere,
we appraise it, so we interpret 

604
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,680
it, we respond to it, and then 
we have an action, which is our 

605
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,760
response. 
The three boxes model condenses 

606
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,160
it a little bit, it simplifies 
it. 

607
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,200
So we have our situation, we 
have our thoughts about the 

608
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,000
situation, and then we have how 
we respond. 

609
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,520
That's the action or the 
behavior. 

610
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,880
So we have some control over how
we think about a situation, and 

611
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,640
we've done a lot of podcast 
episodes about that. 

612
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,600
The way that we attribute our 
successes and our losses has a 

613
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,280
really strong impact on our self
esteem. 

614
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,280
The way that we think about 
these things has an impact on 

615
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,680
our mental health. 
We can also use our thoughts to 

616
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,680
change our behaviors. 
We can use our behaviors to 

617
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,160
change our thoughts. 
There's lots of ways we can 

618
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,720
adjust that. 
The most powerful and biggest 

619
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,880
determinant and goal setting and
our outcomes is the situations 

620
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,240
we're putting ourselves in. 
Because if we're not in that bad

621
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,880
situation, if we're not in that 
situation that causes us to be 

622
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,000
unproductive, we never have the 
thoughts and the behaviors that 

623
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,720
follow. 
So this is like probably the 

624
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720
biggest take away I took from 
this class is what box 1:00 AM I

625
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,240
putting myself in? 
Am I putting myself in a context

626
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,840
where I'm going to succeed? 
Am I putting myself in a context

627
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,320
where I'm going to be held 
accountable? 

628
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,240
Am I setting myself up for 
success? 

629
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,280
And I think this is an approach 
that gives you a lot of self 

630
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,160
compassion and a lot of grace 
and a lot of understanding in 

631
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,360
the way that we achieve our 
goals. 

632
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960
Obviously, there's a lot of 
accountability that has to take 

633
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,200
place and we have to be doing 
the work and deliberately 

634
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600
practicing these skills that we 
can improve with time. 

635
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,320
But a really big determinate 
here is the box one that we're 

636
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,400
putting ourselves in. 
So if we think about those like 

637
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,800
psychology things, we just 
learned one, which is that we do

638
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,360
really well when we see examples
of things, when we see models of

639
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
things. 
So are you giving yourself 

640
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,160
examples of essays that were 
done really well, projects that 

641
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,400
got A's, people that are 
thriving mentally or physically,

642
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,160
whatever it is, Do you have 
those examples that you can then

643
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,600
replicate and follow? 
Second, we are social, we learn 

644
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,320
from others, we learn with 
others. 

645
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,640
So how can you collaborate and 
work with others to be held 

646
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,240
accountable and expedite that 
learning process? 

647
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,680
And 3rd, what is the context 
you're putting yourself in? 

648
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,720
Are you allowing yourself to be 
successful? 

649
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,880
Are you setting yourself up for 
success? 

650
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,760
And that Box 1 probably involves
examples and social 

651
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,120
collaboration to allow you to be
successful. 

652
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,880
So going back to the Rubicon 
model, which is that we 

653
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,320
deliberate, we then set a goal, 
we plan, we act, and we 

654
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,640
evaluate. 
And taking into account these 

655
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,280
other things that can help us be
successful, which is giving 

656
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,520
ourself examples, making sure 
we're learning in a social 

657
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,520
context and that we're putting 
ourselves in a box, one that 

658
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,680
will allow us to be successful. 
So what is an effective goal? 

659
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,160
We talked about like what 
influences our goal setting, 

660
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,160
what allows humans to thrive? 
The framework of goals. 

661
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,000
But what actually is an 
effective goal? 

662
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,840
It's specific, it's challenging,
it's declared publicly in 

663
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,360
person, which is really 
counterintuitive to what you see

664
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,720
on Tiktok, or at least what I 
see on Tiktok and Instagram. 

665
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Real to see all these like Moody
entrepreneurs in low light and 

666
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,520
they're like never tell anyone 
your goal. 

667
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,440
Work in private, celebrate in 
public. 

668
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,360
Never tell anyone you what you 
want to do. 

669
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,120
Never show your cards wrong. 
If you want to be successful in 

670
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,040
a goal, tell people and tell a 
lot of people you hold yourself 

671
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,000
more accountable. 
They hold you accountable 

672
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,000
psychologically, scientifically 
speaking, the evidence shows 

673
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,400
that when you declare your goals
and you declare them publicly, 

674
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,320
you're more likely to achieve 
them. 

675
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,480
And even just setting the 
intention, explaining the 

676
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,400
action, again, we wanted to be 
specific and challenging, makes 

677
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,240
you more likely to succeed. 
They did a study on goal setting

678
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,960
and they found that only 7% of 
people achieve their goal 

679
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,240
without setting an intention. 
I mean, like duh, but like only 

680
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,920
7% will actually get to the 
outcome they want without being 

681
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,280
specific and intentional with 
the goal is being set. 

682
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,680
And then the other thing to 
mention here, what makes an 

683
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,160
effective goal? 
Without a sub goal related to 

684
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,280
your performance, you're not 
going to achieve the goal. 

685
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,640
So if your goal is to run a 5K, 
if you don't have sub goals that

686
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,800
you're going to run a mile, 
you're going to run 2 miles, 

687
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,800
you're going to run 3 miles, 
you're going to do those under a

688
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,240
certain time. 
You're going to run them, not 

689
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,480
walk them. 
You're going to do them by a 

690
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,800
certain date. 
If you don't have sub goals 

691
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,000
related to your performance, 
you're not going to get to your 

692
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,920
end goal of running the 5K under
a certain time, whatever that 

693
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,400
goal is. 
So again, effective goals are 

694
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,120
specific, specific also that 
they have sub goals related to 

695
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,680
your performance. 
They're challenging and they're 

696
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,720
declared publicly in person. 
So tell a friend, tell a family 

697
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,320
member, DM me, tell someone your
goal post about it online, 

698
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,920
you'll be more likely to achieve
it. 

699
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,200
So we understand what grit is. 
We have our goal hierarchy so 

700
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,320
that we can understand the 
framework that grit works in, so

701
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,800
that we can persevere long term.
We understand how we set goals 

702
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,880
and now we have to practice, We 
have to do the thing to get 

703
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,080
better and show that long term 
perseverance towards those long 

704
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,000
term goals. 
So you might have heard that it 

705
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,840
takes 10,000 hours to become an 
expert of something or takes 

706
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,280
10,000 hours to be really good 
at something. 

707
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,600
This is actually based on 
research and that is like the 

708
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,800
objective benchmark that they 
look at when they see people 

709
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,520
that are really successful, 
really high achievers, that have

710
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,240
objectively become really, 
really good at a certain skill 

711
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,760
or talent or whatever it is. 
But the specific thing that is 

712
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200
happening within those 10,000 
hours is something called 

713
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,520
deliberatis. 
And this is actually what allows

714
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,600
people to get better. 
We could listen to music for 

715
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,120
10,000 hours, but that doesn't 
mean that we're a musician. 

716
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,720
We could watch TV for 10,000 
hours. 

717
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,520
I'm definitely on my way there. 
It doesn't mean that I'm a 

718
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,440
television producer or an actor 
or an expert in storytelling. 

719
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,640
What does allow people to become
an expert within those 10,000 

720
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,040
hours is deliberate practice. 
And so the four steps in 

721
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,320
deliberate practice is to have a
stretch goal, something that's 

722
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,000
outside of your current ability 
to give your undivided attention

723
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,000
and effort to seek feedback on 
your performance and then repeat

724
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,160
the process. 
So deliberate practice, you set 

725
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,440
your stretch goal. 
This is a specific aspect of 

726
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,280
your performance and you're 
trying to improve a weakness. 

727
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,720
So if I was re recording this 
podcast and I was setting a 

728
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,080
specific goal related to my 
performance and a weakness, I 

729
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,480
would say I would type out and 
read better organize the way 

730
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,640
that I'm going to go through 
this episode rather than just 

731
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040
looking through my notes from 
the semester, which Sam who's 

732
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,040
editing this has probably 
realized that this is probably 

733
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,240
not the most effective and 
efficient way to record this. 

734
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,720
And I could probably structure 
this out before recording. 

735
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,080
So what I would do is I would 
set that goal. 

736
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,360
I would say I'm going to outline
and write out and organize the 

737
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,520
entire flow of the episode and 
the examples I want to bring up 

738
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,320
and how much time I want to 
allocate to each topic and the 

739
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,160
arc that this episode is going 
to follow. 

740
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,000
That's the weakness that I'm 
addressing. 

741
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,840
It's specific. 
It's a little bit outside of my 

742
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720
skill set of what I've done in 
previous episodes, but it's 

743
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,560
something that I can achieve. 
And then I'm going to give my 

744
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,760
undivided attention and effort 
and strive to reach that goal. 

745
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,840
So I'm going to lock in. 
I'm going to sit down. 

746
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,800
I'm going to go through my 
notes. 

747
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,880
I'm going to type them up. 
I'm going to write out all the 

748
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,639
parts of this episode and give 
my attention and effort towards 

749
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,920
this specific goal. 
Then I'm going to seek feedback.

750
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,880
So I'll understand, say, hey, 
Sam, like what do you think 

751
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,080
about this outline on this 
episode? 

752
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,560
Does this make sense? 
Is it intuitive? 

753
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,920
I'll ask you guys. 
I'll say I outline this episode 

754
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,880
rather than just kind of hopping
on the mic and going through my 

755
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,520
notes. 
What did you think? 

756
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,639
Was it more effective? 
Did you feel like it was easier 

757
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,040
to follow? 
Did you feel like you had more 

758
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,400
takeaways? 
What were your thoughts? 

759
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,560
So get feedback on how it went, 
compare the two, see if there's 

760
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,040
an improvement, and then I would
repeat. 

761
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,679
So I would continue to outline 
episodes. 

762
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,560
I would continue to be more 
intentional with the way I'm 

763
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,719
presenting information, continue
to get feedback, continue to 

764
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,360
devote my attention and focus. 
And then you repeat in this 

765
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,040
framework, the deliberate 
practice framework. 

766
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,680
You repeat until conscious 
incompetence becomes unconscious

767
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,200
competence, which I thought was 
kind of like a fun, interesting 

768
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,280
way to explain that. 
So until the weakness that 

769
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,320
you're aware of becomes 
something that you're no longer 

770
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,680
aware of because you're so good 
at that. 

771
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,240
And if you're like this, like 
not very fun way to approach my 

772
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:15,360
goals and a lot of work, it's 
true, deliberate practice is 

773
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,160
more effortful and less 
enjoyable, something that takes 

774
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,440
a lot of time and attention and 
mental and physical effort. 

775
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
But this is how we get better. 
This is how we actually 

776
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,400
measurably improve in our goals.
And if you did the grit scale 

777
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,920
beginning this episode or you 
know, you're a gritty person, a 

778
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,520
little fun fact is that gritty 
kids enjoy deliberate practice 

779
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,080
more. 
So you will enjoy this. 

780
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,960
And the other positive thing on 
the other side of this is that 

781
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,040
there are two positive 
experiences that come from this,

782
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,120
and that is getting better and 
performing your best. 

783
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640
And deliberate practice allows 
us to get to those two positive,

784
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,040
subjectively enjoyable and 
experiences. 

785
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
And then in addition to 
deliberate practice, there are a

786
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,080
couple of other things that 
influence who becomes an expert.

787
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,600
And one of the takeaways from 
this class is that experts are 

788
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,880
made, they're not born. 
Talent is innate, how quickly we

789
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,120
acquire skills, but the effort 
we put towards those skills and 

790
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,880
how we achieve them based on the
effort we're applying to those 

791
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,880
skills is dependent on us. 
So experts are made, they're not

792
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,120
born with. 
It's malleable. 

793
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,880
We have an ability to engage 
with that. 

794
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,320
And so the other things that 
allow us to achieve and become 

795
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,600
experts in these areas is 
devoted teachers and family 

796
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,800
support. 
Having people in your corner, 

797
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,440
holding you accountable, 
supporting you, that is another 

798
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,520
thing that they found in 
research. 

799
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,440
That is a strong predictor of 
who becomes an expert and 

800
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,120
becomes highly successful in 
their field. 

801
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,440
Also, the amount and the quality
of practice is correlated with 

802
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,960
the level of expertise. 
So again, deliberate practice 

803
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,320
versus just passively doing 
something will impact how good 

804
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,240
you get at something. 
Experts also look at how they 

805
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,360
analyze things wrong. 
So how are they thinking about 

806
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,920
things inefficiently? 
How was their goal not quite 

807
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,040
right? 
How are they approaching this 

808
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,680
test rock? 
How are they solving this 

809
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,560
problem inefficiently? 
They think about how they're 

810
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,440
thinking about things. 
Not just did they get the thing 

811
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,680
right or wrong, they also 
improve the skills that they 

812
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,880
have and extend the reach and 
range of them. 

813
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,400
So not just looking to acquire 
new skills and get better at all

814
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,120
the things, but what skills you 
have and how can you improve 

815
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,280
those as much as possible. 
And then also coaches accelerate

816
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,800
learning because they provide 
lots of feedback. 

817
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,760
So teachers and coaches have a 
really strong impact on allowing

818
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,200
us to be experts. 
Again, we talked about how 

819
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,400
deliberate practice involves 
feedback. 

820
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,520
Coaches and teachers provide 
that feedback, which is a really

821
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,000
important part of the learning 
process. 

822
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,520
And then the last thing we'll 
give you here with regard to 

823
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,360
improving and practicing is that
if you cannot measure it, you 

824
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,720
cannot improve it. 
We talked about this with mental

825
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,920
health when we're not measuring 
objectively our goals, like 

826
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,880
sleeping a certain number of 
hours every night, seeing our 

827
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,840
friends a certain amount of time
every week, tracking our mood, 

828
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,480
tracking our behaviors, tracking
the skills that we're using. 

829
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,480
We have no way to measure and 
observe objectively. 

830
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,880
Our mental health and mental 
health specifically has a really

831
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,400
unique and interesting thing to 
set goals around because it is 

832
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,480
so subjective and our emotions 
can't necessarily be objectively

833
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,480
measured super effectively. 
It can be really hard to say, 

834
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,280
have I gotten better? 
Have I improved? 

835
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,480
Do I feel like I'm recovering? 
Am I less depressed? 

836
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Am I less anxious? 
Am I more happy? 

837
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,240
Like these things are really, 
really hard to measure and 

838
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,080
describe. 
And so again, making sure our 

839
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,720
goals are things that can be 
measured, otherwise we can't 

840
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,360
improve them. 
O there's a lot of things that 

841
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,360
we learned in this semester that
I didn't touch on. 

842
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,160
We also touched on how to find 
mentors, how to pay it forward. 

843
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,000
How do we accept feedback? 
How do we ask for feedback? 

844
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,000
How can we create habits so that
these things are more 

845
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,760
streamlined and less day-to-day 
decisions? 

846
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,520
How can we think about failure 
and stress more effectively so 

847
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,960
that we continue to persevere 
and continue on that course 

848
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,440
towards those larger goals? 
I don't want to throw too much 

849
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,120
at you. 
I've given you quite a lot of 

850
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,280
information, but I feel like 
we've really covered these 

851
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,520
basics. 
We talked about what is grit? 

852
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,840
What does it predict? 
What is it indicative of? 

853
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,520
How do we define it? 
We talked about how our values 

854
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,160
and interests impact our larger 
goals and how we can create a 

855
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,840
goal hierarchy to understand how
we achieve these long term goals

856
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,800
and how grit plays into that 
framework. 

857
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,440
We talked about how we set goals
psychologically as humans, what 

858
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,920
makes us more likely to achieve 
our goals and how we can set 

859
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,440
ourselves up for success and the
context we put ourselves in. 

860
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,840
We talked about how we actually 
do the thing, how we do those 

861
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,440
day-to-day actions that help us 
achieve those small goals, which

862
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,640
in turn help us achieve those 
big goals, and what deliberate 

863
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,560
practices and how that can 
expedite the process of becoming

864
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,280
an expert. 
And so I'm going to give you 

865
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,640
guys little summaries that I 
wrote from these different 

866
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,680
classes, the bullet point 
takeaways for you to internalize

867
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,360
based on everything that we just
talked about. 

868
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,320
South Grit is sustained passion 
and perseverance for a long term

869
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,840
goal. 
Grit influences effort, whereas 

870
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,520
talent is the rate at which we 
improve with effort. 

871
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,360
Both are malleable and subject 
to change. 

872
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,600
Success is useful to be thought 
as as a journey. 

873
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Again, we talked about like how 
we frame things as psychological

874
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,280
force. 
So success think about it as a 

875
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,400
journey and appreciation for 
grit should highlight, not 

876
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,120
obscure the importance of 
context and opportunities. 

877
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,800
Our context and opportunities 
have a really big impact on how 

878
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,200
greatly we are and how many of 
these goals that we set for 

879
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,600
ourselves do we actually 
achieve. 

880
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,960
Finding our purpose is a 
lifelong journey. 

881
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,520
Goal hierarchies allow us to 
have more harmony. 

882
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,280
In our long term pursuits and 
they decrease conflict between 

883
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,520
different goals. 
Goal fusion is one way to make 

884
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,040
tedious activities less tedious.
Self concordant goals reflect 

885
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,000
our deeper interests and values.
Goals, including sub goals, 

886
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,640
direct our energy plans, specify
what we're going to do and when 

887
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,280
we're going to do it. 
Being good at something is more 

888
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,120
than just talent, and the way 
that we become good at something

889
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,320
is deliberate practice. 
There is always an easy and 

890
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,480
enjoyable alternative to 
deliberate practice. 

891
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,760
It's a hard choice to make and 
we can use habits which are more

892
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,960
an autopilot response to cues 
rather than exercising 

893
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,160
self-control every time we're 
trying to achieve a goal. 

894
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,800
So that's our really abbreviated
expedited 30,000 foot view of 

895
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,760
grit. 
What it is, how it applies to 

896
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,480
our life, what I learned this 
semester, how you can use these 

897
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,320
principles to be more gritty, 
find your passions, persevere 

898
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,840
more in pursuit of those 
passions, and achieve your 

899
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,600
goals. 
I want to thank Doctor Angela 

900
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,720
Duckworth for all that she 
taught us throughout the 

901
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,440
semester. 
All of this comes from her 

902
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,280
teaching and her research and 
her work. 

903
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,760
And straight for my notes from 
this class. 

904
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,560
It truly was so informative. 
A lot of this is also in her 

905
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,040
book. 
Like she mentioned in the Class,

906
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,520
A lot of this is available 
online either in the literature 

907
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,640
or in pieces of content she's 
put out. 

908
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,640
So if you want to learn more, 
you can check out her book. 

909
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,440
I'll put it in the show notes. 
You can also watch her Ted talk,

910
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,840
go to character lab, which is 
her lab where she shares this 

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information more generally to 
the public. 

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So there's a lot more research 
available and I really hope you 

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guys enjoyed this. 
Definitely let me know, give me 

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some feedback like we talked 
about in the episode. 

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Do you like these style of 
episodes? 

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Is it fun to kind of hear the 
distillation of an entire 

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semester worth of course work? 
Learn about the psychological 

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principles and how they can 
apply to your life. 

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Let me know your thoughts, you 
want to hear more, if there's 

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other topics you want me to dive
into based on classes I've 

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taken, and then if you guys have
questions. 

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And as always, make sure to 
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podcast. 
Leave a review and I will talk 

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to you guys next week. 
Thank you so much for listening 

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to this week's episode of Sheep 
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If you enjoyed, make sure to 
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Keep persisting and I'll see you
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