1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,280 Hello and welcome to episode 47 of Design Curious Podcast. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,000 I'm your host and mentor, Rebecca Ward. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,320 Today on the podcast we are talking about Pinterest, a very 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,160 valuable and useful tool as well as search engine. 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,640 All the ins and outs of that with Vanessa Cooper. 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,800 So before I tell you a little more about Vanessa, let me 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040 remind you that I have some free downloads for you you might want 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,780 to grab in the show note links. It's called the three Things I 9 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:34,740 wish I'd Known before I started my career in interior design as 10 00:00:34,740 --> 00:00:37,380 well as the road map to interior design. 11 00:00:38,020 --> 00:00:41,140 So you're going to grab both of those because that will also 12 00:00:41,380 --> 00:00:45,140 give you some great information, but put you on the e-mail list 13 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:49,420 so you can receive in your inbox every week the podcast, as well 14 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:54,100 as great information that I like to share with the listeners and 15 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:56,860 any special updates or offerings that I might have going on at 16 00:00:56,860 --> 00:00:59,520 that time. So go ahead and grab those. 17 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Now let me tell you a little bit about Vanessa. 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,960 Vanessa Cooper is a Pinterest marketing expert and content 19 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:09,440 creator, providing Pinterest marketing services, copywriting 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,440 services and graphic design services to small and large 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,560 business owners. She is a wife, mother and crazy 22 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,640 plant lady described as a fruit loop in a bowl of Cheerios, 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,040 locally recognized as one of the best social media marketing 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,700 agencies. She uses her Pinterest marketing 25 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:27,940 skills, creative thinking, and powerful words to capture the 26 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:30,780 attention of your target audience and grow your business. 27 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:34,420 If you want your business to thrive on Pinterest with stellar 28 00:01:34,420 --> 00:01:37,380 Pinterest marketing management or an entertaining yet 29 00:01:37,380 --> 00:01:40,460 informative blog filled with capturing content that keeps 30 00:01:40,460 --> 00:01:44,020 your audience wanting more, then Vanessa is the right person to 31 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:47,780 help your business thrive. So without further ado, let's 32 00:01:47,780 --> 00:01:55,130 talk with Vanessa. You're now listening to Design 33 00:01:55,130 --> 00:01:59,250 Curious, a place where you, Creative One, are here to learn 34 00:01:59,250 --> 00:02:02,250 about what it really is like to be an interior designer. 35 00:02:02,730 --> 00:02:05,530 And I'm your host and mentor, Rebecca Ward. 36 00:02:06,210 --> 00:02:10,250 If you're worried about how to succeed in a creative career, if 37 00:02:10,250 --> 00:02:13,090 you're ready to learn your next steps to become an interior 38 00:02:13,090 --> 00:02:17,450 designer, and if you want the satisfaction of doing something 39 00:02:17,450 --> 00:02:20,890 you love every day, you are in the right place. 40 00:02:21,420 --> 00:02:25,340 Grab a coffee, a notebook, and let's dig into today's episode. 41 00:02:27,140 --> 00:02:29,940 Hi, Vanessa, welcome to Design Curious Podcast. 42 00:02:30,340 --> 00:02:31,940 Hey, thank you. I'm glad to be here. 43 00:02:32,380 --> 00:02:35,420 Yeah. So this is great having you on. 44 00:02:35,660 --> 00:02:40,860 I know your specialty is Pinterest and the tool that it 45 00:02:40,860 --> 00:02:44,100 can be for the interior design industry and creatives in 46 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:46,220 general. But before we get into that, 47 00:02:46,460 --> 00:02:49,860 tell me how you got into doing this for business? 48 00:02:50,540 --> 00:02:54,380 So during the pandemic I was working a job in a restoration 49 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:57,980 company and I had a home school, my son, and it was a really huge 50 00:02:57,980 --> 00:02:59,660 struggle and I really wanted to work from home. 51 00:02:59,980 --> 00:03:02,940 So I I started asking around like does anybody need help with 52 00:03:02,940 --> 00:03:05,100 anything? And I had a lady who told me I 53 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:08,100 need help with my Pinterest and I had taken some blogging 54 00:03:08,100 --> 00:03:10,140 courses years before because I wanted to start a blog. 55 00:03:10,140 --> 00:03:13,780 That never happened and it did eventually. 56 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:16,230 I told her, hey, I learned a little bit of Pinterest during 57 00:03:16,230 --> 00:03:17,790 that course. I can help. 58 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:20,350 So I did. I started taking took over her 59 00:03:20,350 --> 00:03:23,030 Pinterest account and realized that I was actually good at it. 60 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:25,390 And I was growing her account with a little bit of knowledge I 61 00:03:25,390 --> 00:03:28,510 had. And so I saw a demand for it. 62 00:03:28,510 --> 00:03:31,350 I saw that a lot of people were clueless about how to grow on 63 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:34,590 Pinterest. And just slowly, it's kind of 64 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:37,470 blew up, honestly. I started getting more clients 65 00:03:37,470 --> 00:03:39,150 and helping more businesses grow. 66 00:03:39,150 --> 00:03:42,230 So it's been a journey, you know, I was able to quit my job 67 00:03:42,230 --> 00:03:44,950 and stay at home and work full time doing this, and it's been a 68 00:03:44,950 --> 00:03:47,030 blessing. Yeah, Pinterest. 69 00:03:47,350 --> 00:03:48,750 Pinterest is a big part of my life. 70 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:52,350 OK, OK. Did you personally do a lot of 71 00:03:52,350 --> 00:03:55,390 Pinterest before you got into it as a business? 72 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:59,030 Yeah, so you know, I'm a mom and. 73 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:01,980 I've used Pinterest for everything, whether it's 74 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:05,300 planning out recipes, whether it's getting like the home 75 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:08,460 decoration inspiration. I use that on Pinterest planning 76 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:11,580 out birthday parties. I just planned my husband's 50th 77 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:14,420 birthday party recently using Pinterest, so I've been using it 78 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:16,220 for years. I absolutely love the platform 79 00:04:16,220 --> 00:04:19,459 and honestly had never thought about it for business till, you 80 00:04:19,459 --> 00:04:21,380 know, I really just kind of got into it. 81 00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:23,460 So it's a great platform. I love it. 82 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:27,980 So your business caters to creatives, is that right? 83 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:31,580 Like you kind of work mostly with creative types to help them 84 00:04:31,580 --> 00:04:34,500 with their business? So I know this is like a 85 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:35,500 business. No, no. 86 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:39,300 But I never actually niche down. So I have a wide range of 87 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:41,820 clients. I have worked with bloggers, I 88 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:46,060 have worked with spiritual coaches, I have worked with big 89 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:48,420 brand businesses, ecommerce businesses. 90 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,400 That are also in retail and in stores and are you know selling 91 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,920 online. So I work with a wide variety of 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,120 small and large businesses and I've worked with artists as 93 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,880 well. I mean it's it's really range 94 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,520 and it's worked out for me, but I've learned it's it's a wide 95 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,200 range and it's different but it's fun. 96 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,400 I like working with all the different types of clients. 97 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:10,790 Yeah, Okay. So then why would an interior 98 00:05:10,790 --> 00:05:14,430 designer want to do Pinterest and, or like, how are you to, 99 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:17,910 like, really bolster their Pinterest presence over other 100 00:05:17,910 --> 00:05:22,790 social media platforms? So Pinterest, it gets added into 101 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:27,190 the social media platform space, but it's really different to me, 102 00:05:27,190 --> 00:05:31,830 it's not social media so much at all as it is a search engine. 103 00:05:32,110 --> 00:05:34,590 And so the way I describe it to people is that I say that if 104 00:05:34,590 --> 00:05:38,470 Google and Instagram had a baby, that baby would be Pinterest 105 00:05:38,470 --> 00:05:40,510 because it's a visual search engine. 106 00:05:40,990 --> 00:05:44,830 And so the big difference is when you post on social media. 107 00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:48,850 The engagement, the traffic, the likes, the comments happens 108 00:05:49,050 --> 00:05:51,250 immediately. You know, either that day or the 109 00:05:51,250 --> 00:05:54,250 next day. And then after a few days it 110 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:57,250 kind of dies down and then it's your new post that's getting all 111 00:05:57,250 --> 00:06:00,250 the attention and that old post just ends up at the bottom of 112 00:06:00,250 --> 00:06:03,170 your feed and it's not doing anything for you anymore. 113 00:06:03,490 --> 00:06:06,330 Pinterest is different in the sense that when you first pin on 114 00:06:06,330 --> 00:06:08,560 there. Not much is happening with that 115 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,280 pin right off the bat and but over time it starts to build 116 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,560 more lights, more engagement, and starts to bring you traffic 117 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:20,160 that even a year or two later that one pin that you pinned 2 118 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,200 years ago is still bringing you traffic. 119 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,120 So it's a great platform for repurposing your social media 120 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,120 content, but totally two different spaces really since 121 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,880 it's more of a search engine. Yeah, I have found that to be 122 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,170 true in in the Pinterest. Pins that we put up from our 123 00:06:35,170 --> 00:06:39,330 portfolio, like there's one in particular that keeps getting 124 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:43,810 traction and it's just a shower niche in the small like guest 125 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:46,810 bathroom shower and it just keeps getting people ask 126 00:06:46,810 --> 00:06:50,010 questions about it like every couple of weeks and just keeps 127 00:06:50,010 --> 00:06:52,810 getting re pinned and stuff. It's like I was surprised about 128 00:06:52,810 --> 00:06:55,900 why that that one pin would. Really gain traction. 129 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:58,900 But it does show that like over the year, I mean we posted that 130 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:01,700 like four years ago. So I was like over the years 131 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:06,180 it's really still held strong. And so I can see why that is 132 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:08,300 useful to use Pinterest in that way. 133 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:11,220 Yeah, absolutely. It's great. 134 00:07:11,260 --> 00:07:14,700 And I love that things age well there because, you know, we 135 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:16,140 spent a lot of time in our content. 136 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:19,300 We don't want our content time to go to waste, you know, like 137 00:07:19,500 --> 00:07:21,580 things later. And no one's engaging while on 138 00:07:21,580 --> 00:07:22,740 Pinterest. It can last. 139 00:07:23,170 --> 00:07:28,410 For years, so it's just great. So what's the best game plan for 140 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:30,610 them to have? Like should they be posting 141 00:07:30,610 --> 00:07:34,730 their blog to Pinterest or their portfolio photos, or all of the 142 00:07:34,730 --> 00:07:36,690 above? Or what it kind of process do 143 00:07:36,690 --> 00:07:39,850 you take your clients through? If you're talking interior 144 00:07:39,850 --> 00:07:43,250 design and honestly any business, the very first thing 145 00:07:43,250 --> 00:07:46,970 you want to think about and hone in on and make sure you've got 146 00:07:46,970 --> 00:07:50,450 this down is making sure you know who your target audience 147 00:07:50,450 --> 00:07:54,100 is. Because it's a search engine, a 148 00:07:54,100 --> 00:07:56,900 big part of it, and you know, I'll talk more about this, is 149 00:07:56,940 --> 00:07:59,380 making sure you have the right keywords and things like that 150 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:02,100 and your Pinterest pins. So knowing who your target 151 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:05,260 audience is and how they're using the platform is going to 152 00:08:05,260 --> 00:08:07,820 be really, really important as your first step to even start 153 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:10,060 Pinterest marketing. What are they searching for? 154 00:08:10,060 --> 00:08:12,580 What do they like? You know, what kind of boards 155 00:08:12,580 --> 00:08:14,140 might they have? You know, Pinterest has all 156 00:08:14,140 --> 00:08:15,940 these different boards, people organized. 157 00:08:15,940 --> 00:08:18,540 Are they looking for home decorating tips? 158 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:21,460 Are they looking for, you know, new furniture? 159 00:08:21,660 --> 00:08:24,700 Innovation ideas or DIY projects, what are they into? 160 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:27,620 That's the first thing that you want to look at and then you 161 00:08:27,620 --> 00:08:30,540 want to provide valuable content for them. 162 00:08:30,860 --> 00:08:34,659 That's important. Whether that's a video of like a 163 00:08:34,659 --> 00:08:38,220 before and after project that you did or just a video with 164 00:08:38,220 --> 00:08:42,340 some tips on interior design that you can offer them and then 165 00:08:42,340 --> 00:08:44,660 pinning those out to your website are going to be how you 166 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:46,700 do that. But that's really the first step 167 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:49,740 is knowing who they are and what they want so that you know. 168 00:08:50,130 --> 00:08:53,250 Once we even start providing them when it comes to content, 169 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:55,890 hopefully that answers that question. 170 00:08:55,890 --> 00:08:59,250 Yeah, yeah, really good. So like even the cover or the 171 00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:02,890 pin, Like if you have text on it, like you're speaking to the 172 00:09:02,890 --> 00:09:05,410 client and what they want, Like if they're DIY, then you're like 173 00:09:05,650 --> 00:09:08,290 3 tips to how to do this yourself, Like design yourself 174 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:10,410 or whatever, you know? So yeah, that really makes 175 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:13,330 sense. Get your messaging succinct with 176 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:15,720 what? You know who your target client 177 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:16,440 is? Yeah. 178 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,120 So what are some other things that people can do with 179 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Pinterest to help their business? 180 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,480 Besides knowing who your target audience is, and then you know 181 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,520 curating your content to provide that value for them, you want to 182 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,240 make sure that you have a space to send them to. 183 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:37,360 So I always highly recommend a blog for growing any business 184 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,400 honestly, specifically with interior design. 185 00:09:40,820 --> 00:09:43,660 You're going to have, let's say, a pin that's maybe a video pin 186 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:46,060 that maybe shows like a little clip of before and after. 187 00:09:46,340 --> 00:09:50,180 You can have static pins where it's just like maybe a photo 188 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:52,340 with, like you said, like the text overlay that says, you 189 00:09:52,340 --> 00:09:53,780 know, three home decorating tips. 190 00:09:54,250 --> 00:09:56,850 And you're going to want these pens to go to a blog or a 191 00:09:56,850 --> 00:09:59,370 platform that's got a little bit more information. 192 00:09:59,850 --> 00:10:02,090 Obviously your website's a great place to send them to where they 193 00:10:02,090 --> 00:10:04,730 can, you know, learn more about you. 194 00:10:05,010 --> 00:10:09,290 But having a blog if you don't already have one, I really 195 00:10:09,290 --> 00:10:12,410 always push this for so many clients, big and small, some of 196 00:10:12,410 --> 00:10:14,930 my big ecommerce businesses that don't have blogs, I'm like, you 197 00:10:14,930 --> 00:10:18,570 should have a blog because what it does is it provides that. 198 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:21,660 More information, you know, not just like a video like you would 199 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:23,980 on a social media post. They have the information and 200 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:25,620 that's it. But it sends them to your 201 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:27,220 website. And then having that 202 00:10:27,220 --> 00:10:30,380 information, providing that value and that content is how 203 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:33,020 you build trust in this online world. 204 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:36,980 And so it kind of helps you come off as the expert in that niche, 205 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:39,980 you know, and it helps them build that trust with you and 206 00:10:40,060 --> 00:10:44,020 and learn more from you. Not not just for that, but 207 00:10:44,020 --> 00:10:50,390 Pinterest loves fresh content. So if you just have a website 208 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:52,910 for your interior design business and you have all the 209 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:57,470 services you offer, but no new pages like new blog pages are 210 00:10:57,470 --> 00:11:00,190 are showing up in that website and it's just the same landing 211 00:11:00,190 --> 00:11:03,950 page over and over again. Pinterest does not like that. 212 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:08,530 To really grow on Pinterest, you want to have fresh links. 213 00:11:08,970 --> 00:11:12,010 And so having that blog gives you new blog posts every so 214 00:11:12,010 --> 00:11:16,410 often where you can pin to those fresh blog posts and that makes 215 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:17,850 Pinterest happy. That's really how you're going 216 00:11:17,850 --> 00:11:20,490 to grow because you're giving them new information. 217 00:11:20,490 --> 00:11:23,930 They don't want you to span the same information over and over 218 00:11:23,930 --> 00:11:27,170 again in that platform. So hopefully that answered your 219 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:28,530 question. Yeah, yeah. 220 00:11:28,570 --> 00:11:30,060 Yeah, it does. Real good. 221 00:11:30,060 --> 00:11:32,460 So yeah. And you touched on how important 222 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:34,340 blogging is. And I know, like there's 223 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:37,820 conversations, you know, over the last few years, I think that 224 00:11:37,820 --> 00:11:41,540 people come back around to blogging as being relevant 225 00:11:41,540 --> 00:11:44,180 because when social media started happening and it's all 226 00:11:44,180 --> 00:11:47,660 about images and then, you know, people like kids blogging dead, 227 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:49,500 you know, should we still be doing it? 228 00:11:49,940 --> 00:11:51,980 But that does. I mean, you brought a good point 229 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:56,140 that it keeps your website fresh and you're providing additional 230 00:11:56,140 --> 00:11:58,500 content that once people go to that pin. 231 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:02,340 That they can then get more information from you. 232 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:05,500 Yeah, absolutely. And it isn't just to grow on 233 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:09,260 Pinterest, but if you have that blog on your website giving that 234 00:12:09,260 --> 00:12:13,060 information, you're going to be attracting people on Google as 235 00:12:13,060 --> 00:12:16,180 well, you know which because Google also loves blogs and 236 00:12:16,180 --> 00:12:19,260 content and information. So it's kind of like a good two 237 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:22,860 and one on how to get growth for your business. 238 00:12:23,260 --> 00:12:25,460 You know having a blog. And you know some people might 239 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:28,940 be intimidated by a blog or might not have time for a blog 240 00:12:28,940 --> 00:12:30,820 right now that they just have their social media. 241 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:34,420 Another way that they can grow their business using Pinterest 242 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:37,300 is to actually pin to their social media posts. 243 00:12:37,740 --> 00:12:40,340 So let's say you publish a new Instagram post. 244 00:12:40,340 --> 00:12:43,900 You can take that Instagram link to that post and pin to it. 245 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:47,660 Or if you posted a Facebook post, you can pin to that post. 246 00:12:47,780 --> 00:12:50,020 Those are still fresh links, those new posts. 247 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:53,060 So while you're working on getting a blog or you don't have 248 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:55,660 one yet, but you still want to grow your business, you can pin 249 00:12:55,660 --> 00:12:58,460 out to your social media profile posts and those are still 250 00:12:58,460 --> 00:13:01,260 considered fresh links. So it's another way to kind of 251 00:13:01,260 --> 00:13:04,220 get your audience seeing new content on Pinterest. 252 00:13:04,220 --> 00:13:09,020 That way you can grow. So if a young designer or new 253 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:12,420 designer starting out in their business and they might not have 254 00:13:12,420 --> 00:13:17,580 like a huge portfolio, then a blog might be a good way to to 255 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:20,820 also promote some content I would think, like maybe some 256 00:13:20,820 --> 00:13:23,180 stock photos or something. What would you recommend there? 257 00:13:23,780 --> 00:13:27,380 Well yes they can do. Specifically for Pinterest 258 00:13:27,380 --> 00:13:30,340 marketing. A good way to like a good blog 259 00:13:30,340 --> 00:13:35,100 post idea would be. Maybe 3 tips on how to brighten 260 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:37,220 up your room. Something like that, you know? 261 00:13:37,620 --> 00:13:40,820 And just in that since they don't have a portfolio before 262 00:13:40,820 --> 00:13:43,460 and after. But just in that, giving those 3 263 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:47,220 little tips of ideas of simple things that somebody who's not 264 00:13:47,220 --> 00:13:50,220 an interior design expert wouldn't even think about is a 265 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:53,140 good way to really get them to think wow, you know, she knows 266 00:13:53,140 --> 00:13:57,260 what she's doing, you know, this is great having blogs like that 267 00:13:57,260 --> 00:14:00,570 where it's giving them. Some information, some of your 268 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:03,810 expertise, but just a little bit, you know, to teach them 269 00:14:03,810 --> 00:14:06,410 something but not necessarily do all the work for them. 270 00:14:06,770 --> 00:14:09,890 It's a great way to kind of get people in there where you don't 271 00:14:09,890 --> 00:14:12,730 need to have a big portfolio, just know you have a little bit 272 00:14:12,730 --> 00:14:16,130 of knowledge, more knowledge than what they have to, where 273 00:14:16,130 --> 00:14:18,850 you're giving them something new and fresh, you know, to help 274 00:14:18,850 --> 00:14:20,810 them out. And it really sets you up as an 275 00:14:20,810 --> 00:14:23,810 expert in your niche when you know you might not have that 276 00:14:23,810 --> 00:14:25,610 many clients and you're just starting off. 277 00:14:26,410 --> 00:14:30,230 Yeah, it gives you credibility. How would Pinterest be helpful? 278 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:33,510 If, like a designer is looking to work with clients locally, 279 00:14:34,230 --> 00:14:37,670 how can developing your Pinterest presence help with 280 00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:40,990 that so? This is where Pinterest SEO or 281 00:14:40,990 --> 00:14:44,670 Search Engine optimization really comes into play for any 282 00:14:44,670 --> 00:14:47,430 business, whether you have a local audience or not. 283 00:14:47,710 --> 00:14:50,270 What I said right off the bat, making sure you know who your 284 00:14:50,270 --> 00:14:52,390 target audience is, it's going to be important here because you 285 00:14:52,390 --> 00:14:55,990 have to think about what they will be searching for in order 286 00:14:55,990 --> 00:15:00,320 to find you on Pinterest. So if you have a local audience, 287 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,520 you have to really make sure that you're incorporating local 288 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,600 words, local keywords. And what I mean by that is, 289 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,760 let's say you're an interior designer in Montana. 290 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,120 You're going to want to do blog posts. 291 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:20,070 Or at least pins that specifically say 3 tips to 292 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:24,550 decorating your bathroom in Montana and adding that keyword 293 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:28,750 to it. Or three ways to brighten up 294 00:15:29,270 --> 00:15:32,190 your Montana home, but specifically adding those 295 00:15:32,190 --> 00:15:35,230 keywords or specifically to the city that you're in. 296 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,680 Adding keywords related to either your local city or your 297 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,160 state is going to be really, really important. 298 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,720 So if you can't, you know, because I know you can do like 299 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,760 interior design, you can do it, you know, virtually a little 300 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,120 bit. But if you just your audience is 301 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,600 local, coming up with content that's local as well as going to 302 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,720 help. So you have to think about what 303 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,120 you're blogging about, things that people. 304 00:15:59,820 --> 00:16:03,020 Who might be interested in getting interior design done in 305 00:16:03,020 --> 00:16:08,100 your area is interested in. So whether it's, you know, I 306 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:10,740 don't know anything related to your local area that you can 307 00:16:10,740 --> 00:16:13,860 incorporate with interior design to target your local audience. 308 00:16:13,860 --> 00:16:16,420 It's going to be important. And on Pinterest, when you come 309 00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:19,260 up with those keywords, like those specific keywords that you 310 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:22,060 need to add to target your local audience, adding them in the 311 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:25,700 title and the description and the text overlay of your pins, 312 00:16:25,980 --> 00:16:29,380 it's going to be important in order to target them, but 313 00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:30,300 definitely. Definitely. 314 00:16:30,420 --> 00:16:35,260 It's gonna be a bigger deal to mention your location in order 315 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:39,060 to really find your target audience locally on Pinterest. 316 00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:40,220 Okay. Yeah. 317 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:43,380 And is that something you should also include in your Pinterest 318 00:16:43,380 --> 00:16:46,300 bio, like your location and where you're working at? 319 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,400 Yes, and that's actually a great question because something else 320 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,400 that you should do when you set up your Pinterest profile is 321 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,520 incorporate keywords in your bio. 322 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,040 So if you can add the keywords to your name, your actual 323 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,440 profile name when you search on Pinterest. 324 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,680 Profiles are searchable, so when you search up a word, profiles 325 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,520 will actually come up as a result and so. 326 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,960 Yeah, which is really neat because you can incorporate 327 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,960 keywords in your profile names specifically to your area, and 328 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,560 then you can incorporate those same keywords in your profile 329 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,760 description specifically to your area. 330 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,720 Then that way people can help find you. 331 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,520 And when you set up your profile and you create boards for your 332 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,440 profile, each board has a description as well and a title 333 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,200 for them. So you always want to make sure 334 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,800 you incorporate keywords in those titles and in those 335 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,400 descriptions. And if you're locally based, one 336 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,680 of the things that I always like recommend. 337 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,560 Having a board for general things in your area. 338 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,040 So like I don't know, Montana travel tips or something like 339 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,000 that, or places where you can talk about the area and that way 340 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,320 you start attracting people in your area. 341 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,120 You know people who are looking for good local restaurants, they 342 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:57,200 want to check out people who want to look at local parks to 343 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,840 visit, you know, because they live there and they're 344 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,960 interested in those. People in Montana searching for 345 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,600 things in your state are going to find your profile and then 346 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,720 whenever they think, hey, I want an interior designer, you. 347 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,400 Might come to mind. So doing that, it's also a great 348 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,160 way to really attract that local audience. 349 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,040 That's really good advice. I haven't really heard all of 350 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,520 that before. So can you give an example of 351 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,520 what, like, if you're including keywords in your name on your 352 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,600 profile on Pinterest? Like, does it look weird if 353 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,600 you're like saying midcentury modern or boho chic designer 354 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,920 Rebecca Award, You know, like, whatever it is, you know, right? 355 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,760 Well, when it comes to your name, because it's it's your 356 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,680 name. You don't want it to be two 357 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,240 keyword stuff, and there's only so much length that you get for 358 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,240 your name. Sure. 359 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,280 And so me for example, I have Vanessa Cooper and then I do a 360 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,000 little wine kind of separate it and then I do, I do marketing 361 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,040 and content creation. Pinterest doesn't allow me to 362 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,440 add Pinterest. So I just do marketing and 363 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,600 content creation cuz marketing itself, you know is search. 364 00:19:07,150 --> 00:19:09,350 So that's what I would do. I would pick like maybe the two 365 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:14,230 best that sound okay with your name or your business name so 366 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:17,630 that it doesn't sound too funny. And then I would use the 367 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:20,430 description, your profile description to stuff it more 368 00:19:20,430 --> 00:19:24,830 with keywords because almost nobody is going to find you by 369 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:27,270 your profile and actually read your profile description. 370 00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:30,030 The profile description is going to be more for Pinterest's 371 00:19:30,110 --> 00:19:33,630 algorithm to find you and know. So that's really where you want 372 00:19:33,630 --> 00:19:35,190 to put all those extra keywords at. 373 00:19:35,670 --> 00:19:38,270 So like maybe. It doesn't have to look as 374 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:41,950 pretty as you're wanting it to, like people are going to land 375 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:44,750 there or be searching for the most beautiful bio. 376 00:19:46,190 --> 00:19:50,390 Yes, no, yes. The bio is not that important. 377 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:53,230 It's really just for Pinterest, so you don't have to think about 378 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:54,710 it too much. And when you do type up your 379 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:56,870 bio, do not add your website to it. 380 00:19:57,110 --> 00:20:00,150 That's just basic characters. Your website is going to be 381 00:20:00,150 --> 00:20:04,190 linked on the side by Pinterest for you already and it's 382 00:20:04,190 --> 00:20:06,910 actually clickable, any links that you add in your bio. 383 00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:10,150 We're not clickable anyways, so save that space for keywords 384 00:20:10,150 --> 00:20:12,110 instead. OK, really good. 385 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:15,230 And so then say you do have a portfolio that you're 386 00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:18,310 developing. Should you rein like pin every 387 00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:22,930 single photo from your? Website to to like a folder in 388 00:20:22,930 --> 00:20:25,650 Pinterest like have a portfolio folder or something like that. 389 00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:28,810 I mean you can definitely pin out your portfolio. 390 00:20:29,210 --> 00:20:32,410 Just always keep in mind that whatever you do pin, whatever 391 00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:36,450 image you pin, I would always edit it and some kind of 392 00:20:36,450 --> 00:20:38,650 template. I think it helps to have a 393 00:20:38,650 --> 00:20:42,290 little bit of text overlay. But anytime you do pin on 394 00:20:42,290 --> 00:20:44,130 Pinterest anyways, try different things. 395 00:20:44,130 --> 00:20:46,810 You know, try pinning just a plain image of like a 396 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:50,170 beautifully you know, designed home that you did and then. 397 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:53,930 And try pinning one same image but with some text overlay, 398 00:20:53,970 --> 00:20:57,730 maybe in a little template and see what your audience is 399 00:20:57,730 --> 00:21:00,410 reacting to more, what they're liking more, which one of those 400 00:21:00,410 --> 00:21:03,970 got more impressions, which ones got more clicks, more 401 00:21:04,290 --> 00:21:06,290 engagement? And then that way you kind of 402 00:21:06,290 --> 00:21:07,970 know what to pin and what not to pin. 403 00:21:07,970 --> 00:21:11,850 But if you have images, I'm always like pin it because you 404 00:21:11,850 --> 00:21:13,850 know the more content you get the better. 405 00:21:14,050 --> 00:21:16,890 And so definitely just just pin it and see. 406 00:21:16,890 --> 00:21:18,850 Let it bring your website traffic. 407 00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:23,540 Now don't. Pinned to the same page too much 408 00:21:23,860 --> 00:21:26,980 because Pinterest, you know, has the spam filter and they don't 409 00:21:26,980 --> 00:21:29,860 want you just pinning too much to the same page. 410 00:21:29,860 --> 00:21:32,980 So use those images, but pin them to different links, 411 00:21:32,980 --> 00:21:36,260 different blog posts or social media posts or just, you know, 412 00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:39,700 different Url's. OK, good advice there. 413 00:21:39,980 --> 00:21:44,420 Like I said a second ago I mentioned doing like video pins 414 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:48,140 or adding the different images, some with text overlay, some 415 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:51,850 without to kind of test. How your audience is engaging 416 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:54,010 with it. That same advice I give to 417 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:57,530 anyone starting out if they can't decide what type of pin to 418 00:21:57,530 --> 00:22:01,890 pin on Pinterest, because there's a bunch of different pin 419 00:22:01,890 --> 00:22:04,250 types. There's idea pins, which are 420 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:08,130 kind of like your Instagram reels for Pinterest Dash 421 00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:10,370 stories. You know, like through them, 422 00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:13,370 like an Instagram story, but you can watch a video like a real 423 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:17,250 There's Carousel Pins, which is just like carousel posts on 424 00:22:17,250 --> 00:22:18,090 Pinterest. There's. 425 00:22:18,540 --> 00:22:21,860 Static, just plain image pins. And then there's video pins. 426 00:22:22,220 --> 00:22:25,300 So somebody might ask, like, what pin should I use? 427 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:26,820 You know, for my business to grow. 428 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:30,700 When you're starting off, do a little bit of everything and and 429 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:31,980 do the same thing. Test it out. 430 00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:34,220 Check out the Pinterest analytics, which you'll see in 431 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:36,660 your profile when you have a Pinterest business account. 432 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:38,460 See what? What's your top pin? 433 00:22:38,460 --> 00:22:40,620 Is it an idea pin? Is it a static pin? 434 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,460 Is it a video pin? And then you give it a couple 435 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:45,940 months because it takes some time for Pinterest to really 436 00:22:45,940 --> 00:22:47,930 find it. And then see what's performing 437 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:49,570 the best and then do more of those. 438 00:22:49,570 --> 00:22:51,730 So more people are reacting to your idea of pins. 439 00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:53,890 Do more of those. More people are, you know, 440 00:22:53,890 --> 00:22:55,690 finding your website and you're getting traffic from those 441 00:22:55,690 --> 00:22:57,850 static pins. Do more of those. 442 00:22:58,130 --> 00:23:01,010 And that really helps boost your growth because you're giving 443 00:23:01,010 --> 00:23:04,330 your audience what they want to see, you know, and what they're 444 00:23:04,330 --> 00:23:06,170 engaging with. Yeah. 445 00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:07,090 Yeah. That's really good. 446 00:23:07,410 --> 00:23:10,650 And to that point, I was wondering like there's a 447 00:23:10,690 --> 00:23:13,730 business profile, then there's the personal profile on 448 00:23:13,770 --> 00:23:14,850 Pinterest, right? Is there? 449 00:23:15,380 --> 00:23:16,900 They're also a creator. Profiles. 450 00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:20,260 Are that just in Instagram? That's a good question. 451 00:23:20,420 --> 00:23:24,620 No, it's just the a personal profile and a business profile. 452 00:23:24,700 --> 00:23:27,340 As far as I know, there is no creator profile. 453 00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:31,860 The Pinterest, they call almost everyone a creator that's got 454 00:23:31,860 --> 00:23:33,540 the Pinterest for business account because that's 455 00:23:33,540 --> 00:23:36,380 essentially what you're doing is you're creating whether it's 456 00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:39,420 videos or images or something for the platform since it's so 457 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:41,660 visual. But yeah, and the big difference 458 00:23:41,660 --> 00:23:44,260 is really the the analytics and the growth. 459 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,960 In a personal profile, you're not going to have that, You're 460 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,520 just going to have a regular profile to pin those recipes and 461 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,840 those home decor ideas and stuff like that. 462 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,640 While in the the Pinterest business profile, it's going to 463 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,400 be all the analytics, you're going to be able to see your 464 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,400 growth and you're going to be able to see what is working and 465 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,960 what isn't working for your profile. 466 00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:10,990 And then for creating those pins and text overlays, would you 467 00:24:10,990 --> 00:24:16,430 recommend Canva as a tool for creating those Pinterest? 468 00:24:16,510 --> 00:24:18,550 Yes, absolutely. Yeah. 469 00:24:18,550 --> 00:24:21,510 So I love Canva. Canva is my go to. 470 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:26,150 Honestly, I don't think I used too many other other design ones 471 00:24:26,150 --> 00:24:27,630 before. I just went to Canva cuz it was 472 00:24:27,630 --> 00:24:30,830 so user friendly, so easy to use. 473 00:24:31,030 --> 00:24:35,590 So I highly recommend Canva. There's a free account for it 474 00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:37,780 and then there's. A business one. 475 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:40,700 So if you're wondering which one you need, you're perfectly fine 476 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:44,300 just using the free they've got stock photos, they've got audio, 477 00:24:44,300 --> 00:24:47,580 they've got video that you can use, you can animate the 478 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:50,460 elements and the text overlay and all that and the images. 479 00:24:50,820 --> 00:24:53,100 That makes creating videos so easy. 480 00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:56,700 And then the Pro just has like extra design features which you 481 00:24:56,700 --> 00:25:00,220 know, I I love the Pro, but it's not 100% necessary to grow on 482 00:25:00,220 --> 00:25:04,900 Pinterest and create amazing pins, and also has it set up to 483 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:06,500 where you don't even have to think about it. 484 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:10,580 Like you can search your Pinterest pin and it'll bring up 485 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:13,300 a Pinterest pin the right size that you need it to be. 486 00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:16,420 You search Pinterest idea pin, it'll already have it ready the 487 00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:17,820 right size that you need it to be. 488 00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:20,980 Because every different pin has different sizes that they need 489 00:25:20,980 --> 00:25:23,020 to be on Pinterest, so you want to make sure you're designing 490 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:25,220 them correctly. And it also provides free 491 00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:28,900 templates that you can use in canvas, so you don't even have 492 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:34,620 to be a design expert when it comes to like graphic design in 493 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:36,420 order to create beautiful, stunning. 494 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:39,700 Pins out of work on Pinterest. Okay, great. 495 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:43,180 Yeah, that's good to know. As far as the algorithm, is 496 00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:47,140 there a posting schedule that you would recommend Should you 497 00:25:47,140 --> 00:25:51,460 be pinning every day or a couple times a week or? 498 00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:55,260 So I can't talk too much on a pinning schedule just because 499 00:25:55,260 --> 00:25:58,900 that's literally all my knowledge and information that I 500 00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:01,660 get hired for. But I can give you some advice. 501 00:26:01,660 --> 00:26:03,860 Okay. I can tell you that you wanna 502 00:26:03,860 --> 00:26:07,570 pin at least once a day. And then I can tell you that you 503 00:26:07,570 --> 00:26:11,970 want to be careful not pinning to the same pin more than once a 504 00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:16,570 day because again, Pinterest has that spam filter and so you 505 00:26:16,570 --> 00:26:20,370 don't want to over pin to the same page on your website 506 00:26:20,530 --> 00:26:22,250 because then Pinterest gets a little iffy about it. 507 00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:24,930 Like okay you already pinned to this, you do want to create 508 00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:29,150 multiple pins per link. And then you do want to kind of, 509 00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:31,550 you know, schedule them out in a particular way. 510 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:34,750 You just want to make sure that you're not pinning multiple 511 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:37,590 times a day to the same length and that you're at least pinning 512 00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:39,390 once a day. It'll really help your growth to 513 00:26:39,390 --> 00:26:41,850 pin at least once a day. OK, great. 514 00:26:42,090 --> 00:26:45,770 So that's a service that you can provide people if they're 515 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:50,290 wanting to outsource their Pinterest, they can come to you? 516 00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:53,290 Yes, absolutely. They can come to me and I I am 517 00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:55,570 like I will take over it all where you don't even have to 518 00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:57,410 think about it. You just have to sit back and 519 00:26:57,410 --> 00:27:00,650 wait for the traffic to flow in and do all the graphic design, 520 00:27:00,650 --> 00:27:04,330 all the keyword research, pin title and descriptions, all the, 521 00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:06,650 you know, copywriting that's required with it and all the 522 00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:09,930 scheduling so that you don't have to worry about it at all or 523 00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:13,290 learn it yourself or try to. To figure it out cuz it changes. 524 00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:16,570 And I think all these social media platforms change often. 525 00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:19,410 Their algorithm changes. The techniques you need to use 526 00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:21,010 change. So if you want that Peace of 527 00:27:21,010 --> 00:27:24,450 Mind and not deal with it, I'm here at your disposal to help 528 00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:27,090 manage your Pinterest account. Wonderful, Okay. 529 00:27:27,090 --> 00:27:30,090 Well, we'll put your contact information in the show notes so 530 00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:33,730 everybody can find you and anything else you wanna share 531 00:27:33,730 --> 00:27:36,170 with our audience before we say goodbye. 532 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:39,940 Yeah, I guess I'll say one last thing on Pinterest that I think 533 00:27:39,940 --> 00:27:42,940 everyone should know. When you do get started on 534 00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:46,500 Pinterest marketing because it, hey, it's the opposite of social 535 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,980 media platforms and it takes time to get that engagement. 536 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,640 You have to be patient. It takes months for those pins 537 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,400 to start driving traffic, but don't give up because it's so 538 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,960 worth every second that you spend on the platform. 539 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,200 Just make sure that you're patient, use it to repurpose 540 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,680 your social media content, and then just give it time because 541 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,840 it will be worth the investment and then you'll you'll get some 542 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,360 good traffic on it. OK, that's really good to 543 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,040 remember. Yeah, that patience is hard 544 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,960 because you like you want to post something, you know, like. 545 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:16,760 Okay, what's the analytics on it now? 546 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,680 It's. Gonna work, but we're not do it 547 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,920 too. I do it too. 548 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,080 And I know that I need to wait months and I still do so. 549 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,920 Yeah, Okay. Well, thank you so much, 550 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,680 Vanessa, for coming on the show today. 551 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,280 Of course. You're welcome. 552 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,960 Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure. 553 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,280 I love talking Pinterest, So anytime you want me back, I'll 554 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,240 be here at your disposal. Perfect. 555 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,560 I'm sure we will. So we'll talk to you soon. 556 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,880 All righty. Thank you. 557 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:50,470 Bye, bye, bye. So obviously Pinterest is really 558 00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:54,790 powerful search engine as well as tool for promoting your 559 00:28:54,790 --> 00:28:57,550 business and you're definitely going to want to check out 560 00:28:57,550 --> 00:29:01,870 Vanessa's offering and take advantage of her services to 561 00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:05,070 promote your business. And like I said another way that 562 00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:10,270 I really like to use Pinterest in my business is to use it as a 563 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:16,300 board to curate ideas and. Styles for my client, and we use 564 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,860 Pinterest a lot, in a lot of different ways through the 565 00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:21,820 design process, and so you can't get around it. 566 00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:26,060 You definitely need to embrace it, but you also really need an 567 00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:29,700 expert to help show you how to use it, because it's really a 568 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:33,460 whole beast unto itself. So go check out Vanessa's 569 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:36,500 information in the show notes and you can find all the links 570 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:39,140 there. And don't forget that if you're 571 00:29:39,140 --> 00:29:42,700 looking to get into the career of interior design, then you 572 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:44,580 will want to join my design mentor. 573 00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:49,220 Myself and other students like you are in there learning about 574 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:52,180 the career, learning about what it is to be a designer, honing 575 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:54,860 their skills. I give a lot of feedback. 576 00:29:54,860 --> 00:29:59,740 I even do a portfolio review or resume review a lot of great 577 00:29:59,740 --> 00:30:00,980 things. And then there's also that 578 00:30:00,980 --> 00:30:03,460 business starter kit in there if you're looking to start your own 579 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:06,170 business and. Want to make sure you don't miss 580 00:30:06,170 --> 00:30:09,610 any of the steps along the way? This is a great package for you, 581 00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:12,890 so check that out. I'd love to see you in there. 582 00:30:13,210 --> 00:30:15,730 And next week we'll have another great interview. 583 00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:20,410 So until then, stay creative. Thanks for listening. 584 00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:23,770 If you love this episode, please leave a rating and a review. 585 00:30:23,970 --> 00:30:26,650 This helps me reach other curious creatives like you. 586 00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:30,890 If you have a topic request or would like to contact me, simply 587 00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:33,970 head over to my website, rwarddesign.com. 588 00:30:34,530 --> 00:30:38,570 Or e-mail me at podcast@rwardesign.com.