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Hello and welcome to episode 29.
I've designed curious podcast, 

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I'm your host and Mentor, 
Rebecca Ward and today we are 

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talking about space planning. 
What is it? 

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How you do it? 
What are some of the basics and 

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we'll get all into all of that 
last week? 

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We had that great interview with
Yvonne Hardy and she talked 

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about how she really loves the 
space planning side of design 

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and that is really more of her 
focus and maybe that is for you,

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too. 
So Let's talk a little bit more 

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about space planning in today's 
episode and before we get into 

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that, I want to remind you that 
I have a download for you. 

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Actually to now we have the 
roadmap to becoming an interior 

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designer so you can see all the 
steps along the way to becoming 

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designer and then we also have 
the three things, I wish I had 

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known before I became an 
interior designer. 

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So if that interests you, the 
link is in the show notes and 

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miss an episode. 
All right, so let's talk about 

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space planning. 
You're now listening to design, 

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curious a place where you 
creative one are here to learn 

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about what it really is. 
Like, to be an interior designer

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and I'm your host and Mentor 
Rebecca, Ward, if you're worried

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about how to succeed in a 
Creator career, if you're ready 

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to learn your next steps to 
become an Interior Designer. 

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And if you want the satisfaction
of doing something you love 

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every day, you are in the right 
place. 

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Grab a coffee, a notebook. 
And And let's dig into today's 

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episode. 
Okay? 

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So space planning, it is an 
activity that designers do, that

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is an overlap with Architects, 
so you could say that 

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architectural designers, 
Architects and interior 

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designers that all do space 
planning designers will 

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typically only space plan the 
inside of the house. 

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But if they're working on a new 
bill, they might actually be, 

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you know, laying out the 
footprint of the house as well. 

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Working with an Architecture 
Firm to make sure it's within 

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the parameters of the lot and 
the site. 

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However, for today's purposes 
will just be talking about 

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interior design, space planning 
and so where you want to start 

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is with collecting information 
from your client. 

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So say you're going to be 
redesigning their great room 

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area. 
So you're going to want to 

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collect information on how many 
people use this space and is it 

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used on a daily? 
Isis, is it for formal events 

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for casual events or their pets?
Are their kids. 

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So, you're Gathering all of that
information to inform how you're

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going to lay out the space when 
I was in design school. 

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And we were doing these 
exercises often times. 

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We were looking for 
relationships of activities and 

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relation to each other. 
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bubble diagram. 
And this was the step that I 

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typically like to skip, I really
didn't grasp The value of 

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creating a bubble diagram. 
First, I want to just skip 

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straight to the drafting of the 
spaces. 

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I wanted to see how the scale 
was going to fit for the ideas 

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that I had in my head, but it 
is, I can see in hindsight, a 

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valuable step for really 
thinking through all of the 

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things that you need to account 
for in the space and making a 

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plan for your space plan. 
So you can start out with the 

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rudimentary bubble diagram that 
has basically large bubbles. 

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And if you're laying out the 
house, for instance, they'll 

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start with larger bubbles that 
represent priority activities. 

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So the bubbles are scaled by the
size, according to how important

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they are. 
So if what's really important 

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for this client that you're 
working for is to have the TV, 

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and the sectional and sofa as 
the priority because they, you 

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know, that's their main 
activity, they have friends over

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there, watching sports games and
all these things. 

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So you're going to have that 
area the tea. 

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And sitting area be the largest 
bubble and then maybe off to the

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side you'll have like accent 
chairs, or you might have 

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fireplace or access to the 
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So you'll start with these 
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have all of the information that
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You also want to think about 
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So, in the same scenario, say 
they have a big group over to 

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watch the Super Bowl. 
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need to get up and go use the 
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Or people that maybe need to go 
outside, take a break phone call

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or something like that. 
So, you want to make sure your 

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path of travel is clear and 
especially to the kitchen where 

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they're going to get their 
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So next, we're going to look at 
the path of travel, kind of draw

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arrows, which way people are 
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You're going to keep making and 
refining your bubble diagram 

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until it gets to be a more 
concrete layout, and then you 

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can start doing your space plan.
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this is happening a hand sketch,
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It's really there are scientific
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physically touching something 
that is really solidifies and 

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helps you think through the 
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And so I would definitely 
recommend using it by hand 

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drawing. 
Of course, if you can draw on a 

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tablet and that works for you to
you'd rather have it that way. 

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I think that would also suffice 
for this situation, but you just

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going to do Some simple spatial 
drawings at that point, okay? 

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So then once you've outlined 
pretty well in your bubble 

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diagram, how you want to lay out
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start working on your floor 
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And so, typically, you'll have 
an existing space that has 

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parameters on it. 
So you've already taken 

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measurements of the space, you 
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where the flooring breaks are, 
what the ceiling looks like, 

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where your entry points are. 
And so, you're going to have 

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that all all laid out and then 
you're going to start to place 

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your furniture into your space. 
Oftentimes, we'll start with 

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generic sizes, for sofas and 
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Just to see what would work in 
this space, in a general size as

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pleasing to most people. 
And then after that, once we 

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solidified, our floor plan, then
we will go and select specific 

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items and Furniture pieces to 
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And then, We'll go and put the 
actual dimensions in there to 

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make sure it's still really 
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Say, an average sofa is 36 
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selected for our client is 42 
inches deep, we need to make 

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sure that it's still fitting the
scale of the space and that's 

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why scaled floor. 
Plans are so beneficial for 

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really visualizing and knowing 
ahead of time how the outcome of

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your design is going to be in 
the space if you didn't have a 

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scale drawing. 
And he only put in at 36 inch 

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sofa but then you go and 
purchase the 42. 

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You might not have enough travel
space and it might feel too 

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tight in there. 
And so this is really an 

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insurance to make sure that your
design works and that your 

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client is going to be satisfied 
with what you came up at. 

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Not only looks good but it fits 
the space. 

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Well, the other advantage of 
having a scaled floor plan is 

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that you can lay out lighting. 
So say you put can lights are 

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pot lights and do a layout on a 
grid that you can actually put a

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scale to. 
So when the electrician um's 

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says, well how far away from the
wall? 

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Do you want this light 
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You can have your dimension 
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There, it says, it's 36 inches 
or whatever it is, you've 

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decided is best for the space 
and can Center it over your 

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furniture. 
Make sure that there's adequate 

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lighting for the task at hand. 
And again, if you're new to 

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space planning, you're going to 
pick up that book that I 

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mentioned back in episode 17, 
called human dimensions and 

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that's going to really help you 
understand how wide your path of

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travel around the furniture 
needs to be. 

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And then you might want to make 
a list of average sizes of 

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furniture pieces. 
So like a 8 foot so far. 

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That's 36 inches. 
Deep or what size, the queen 

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mattress or King. 
Verses for a bedroom, a common 

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side table or a nightstand size,
and just have a list of those. 

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Which I did do when I was early 
days working for someone else 

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and doing space planning for 
them because I just didn't know 

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what what those average sizes 
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And in order to do that initial 
layout you really just want to 

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be throwing some generic sizes 
in there because you have no 

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idea yet. 
What you want to pick for the 

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space, you just want to make 
sure that your idea of the 

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layout is going to work in a 
general sense. 

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So having a list like that at 
your side will definitely help 

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you move faster in your space 
plan and ensure that it is 

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relatively realistic idea. 
Now, there's different programs 

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you can use to help you do the 
Earth space plan. 

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And of course, you can always go
back to graph paper and use a 

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scale and that you could do one 
square equals one foot. 

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That's a very common way to do 
it depending on how big you want

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your plan. 
To be. 

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And so that's always a default, 
you can go to learning to draft 

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by hand and I still would 
recommend if you're starting out

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as a designer to do some hand 
drafting because it really helps

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to solidify spatial relation in 
your head. 

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And then as you go along, and 
start transferring to the 

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computer, you still have those 
skills. 

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So, what I use for drafting on 
the computer is AutoCAD light 

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and I've been using that for 
years. 

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It's suffice has all the needs. 
I have, I can share files with 

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engineers and Architects and 
there hasn't been an issue using

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AutoCAD but it is an expensive 
program. 

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And so starting out you might 
not be able to afford to use 

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our. 
You might not even know how to 

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use that. 
And you might want a program 

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that is free that you can start 
messing around in to really get 

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your foot in the door, for a 
space planning, and providing 

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some kind of plan for your first
few clients. 

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There's a lot of software out 
there that you can use. 

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Some is free, some is paid for I
know SketchUp has a free version

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and I dabbled in SketchUp early 
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I haven't worked in it since for
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We have had some interns come 
through using different programs

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and one that our current in turn
is using is homestyler and 

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actually it's been really good. 
We had her practice out of 

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rendering 3D rendering for a 
kitchen that we're working on 

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just to test it and see how it 
looks actually turned out really

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good. 
So homestyler I would say it's 

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probably a Are you could use to 
start getting some drawings 

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together and understanding 
spatial relation, and and space 

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planning. 
But if you just Google space 

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planning software, you'll come 
up with a whole list of 

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different ones. 
You can try and see what you 

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like to use best. 
But eventually down the road, 

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once you do have your business, 
you're going to want a software.

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That is a little more unifying. 
That is an industry standard. 

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So I use like I said, AutoCAD 
and other one is Chief Architect

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one that you can use As if 
you're more into kitchen design 

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and cabinet true is be 2020, but
that it's always changing. 

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There's always new software out 
there. 

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So even though there's a, the 3D
option that you will eventually 

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develop your plan into, I think 
it's important to be able to 

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visualize while you're looking 
at a 2d plan, where you looking 

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at the floor plan, be able to 
kind of put yourself into that 

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plan and see how the space looks
before you've even elevated it. 

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To that 3D software and that's a
skill that you can develop over 

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time, but I also think it is 
something that is intuitive for 

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designers that were able to see 
something and visualize how it's

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going to look in the end. 
Even if it's not like a hundred 

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percent clear you have a general
idea of how this room is going 

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to look based on the floor plan.
And if you're here today and you

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haven't had any experience in 
interior design or space 

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planning. 
I have a few quick tips for you 

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to take Go away so that you can 
get started on your space 

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planning today. 
And a few things you want to. 

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Keep in mind, you want to keep 
major walkways to at least 36 

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inches wide or 30 inches. 
For a less frequently used path 

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of travel. 
So if it's like going behind a 

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sectional out to a slider you 
don't use very much then you 

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might use 30 inches there. 
I would say allow 15 inches 

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between your coffee table and 
the sofa or chairs to avoid 

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bumping shins when you're 
sitting down. 

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Make sure the living room rug is
big enough so that the front 

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legs of the sofas and chairs can
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will be sitting off the rug and 
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way on the rug if you're 
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sofa or the chair dining room, 
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still sitting on the rug. 
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something that feasible. 
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underneath the dining table. 
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where the kids are going to 
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on that rug and you want to make
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kid-friendly durable. 
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like that or just no rugged. 
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in the kitchen table area 
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so much abuse. 
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under the bed with, at least 12 
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each side of the bed so that 
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on the rug fully and you have 
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if you have hard flooring, a 
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nightstands should sit either 
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So if you, so here's the 
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those front feet sitting on the 
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level and if you set anything on
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off. 
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to consider Windows still 
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front of a window. 
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and then you don't want to 
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That's too large for the space. 
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of the room is and consider how 
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And then, if they're split, what
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Like, do they love fires in the 
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kind of a cozy space and TVs, 
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often or you going to have to 
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so that those are in the same 
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Just doesn't work if they're 
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split focal point like that. 
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the client decide. 
What is the best for the way 

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that they live? 
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are priority or if they want 
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focus of the room or the purpose
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So there you go. 
A few little tidbits on Space 

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planning just brushing the 
surface and really Lee practice 

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and experiences key here and 
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you spend some time doing it 
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You can get your first clients 
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home all the time and so just 
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yourself and try that out. 
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I would say just dipping your 
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space planning is but hopefully 
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like I said, you're going to get
those books that I mentioned 

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back in episode 17 will put a 
link to the show notes there so 

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you can see that book list and 
purchase those to help you on 

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your way to becoming an 
excellent space planner. 

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And of course, if you're needing
some one-on-one help with this, 

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please get To my design Mentor, 
I am happy to work with you on 

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any specific project you might 
be working on in school for 

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yourself for another person and 
just give you some feedback on 

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what you should do for space 
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And in that program, I've even 
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to people who just need to get 
some more experience in drafting

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and space planning and things 
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So if that interests, you go 
ahead and check out the link for

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my design Mentor. 
I'd love to see you in there. 

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There, stay tuned next week, 
we'll have another great 

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interview to help you discover. 
If interior design is the career

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for you and until then stay 
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