1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,500 Hello and welcome to Episode 34 of design. 2 00:00:03,500 --> 00:00:06,400 Curious podcast, I'm your host and Mentor. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,600 Rebecca Ward. Today on the show, we have 4 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:14,600 Jessica Marshall of brass Rose interiors and you're going to 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,000 love hearing her story. It is a unique one for our show, 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,800 because she is a Hospitality designer and so she has a lot of 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,100 great insight about that. So let me tell you a little bit 8 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:28,400 about her. But first, I want to remind you, 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 I have a special download For you, the three things. 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,400 I wish I had known before starting my career in interior 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,300 design so you can go into the show notes, click on that link 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,400 and get that into your inbox, because I know you want to know 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,500 more about the career and the things that I wish I had known 14 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:49,300 before I started out. Okay, let me tell you a little 15 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:53,100 about Jessica, she is the Sacramento area. 16 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:56,100 Is only interior designer focused on the hospitality 17 00:00:56,100 --> 00:01:01,000 industry who has over 20 years of experience in both the K and 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,600 the US. She's also the only interior 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,700 designer that has been voted in as a board member for California 20 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:12,700 Restaurant Association. So already great accolades after 21 00:01:12,700 --> 00:01:16,000 graduating from the University with a degree in interior 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,300 design, she decided to focus on hospitality industry interning 23 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:24,300 at HP a led her to La company where she did purchasing and 24 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:27,500 project management for luxury hotels, working on projects, 25 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:29,800 such as Ojai Valley, Inn and Spa. 26 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:33,700 Ba from intern to interior. Designer to design director, she 27 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:37,500 has designed and managing Terror projects for Marriott Hilton and 28 00:01:37,500 --> 00:01:41,000 IHG with a desire to work internationally. 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,900 She lived in England for eight years, where she got to work 30 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:47,800 throughout the UK, evolving brand Interiors for restaurants 31 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:50,500 and bars. Both front and back of house. 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,900 Currently settled in California, Jessica decide to open brass 33 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:57,500 Rose to exclusively serve Boutique business owners. 34 00:01:57,500 --> 00:02:01,100 Following a dream, looking to build a Them experience through 35 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:04,700 service and atmosphere and we get into all the details about 36 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:07,700 her journey in the episode. So let's get to it. 37 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:15,300 You're now listening to design, curious a place where you 38 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:18,900 creative one are here to learn about what it really is. 39 00:02:18,900 --> 00:02:22,900 Like, to be an interior designer and I'm your host and Mentor 40 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:26,800 Rebecca, Ward, if you're worried about how to succeed in a 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,500 creative career, if you're ready to learn your next steps to 42 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:34,900 become an Interior Designer. And if you want the satisfaction 43 00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:38,500 of doing something you love every day, you are in the right. 44 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,300 Right. Place grab a coffee, a notebook. 45 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:43,800 And let's dig into today's episode. 46 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:47,400 Hi Jessica. Thank you for coming on design 47 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,800 cures, podcast, so great to have you here. 48 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,900 Thank you, thanks for having me. Yeah, I am really interested to 49 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:57,800 hear your story because we've been friends for a couple years 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,700 and I don't know if I know you're full story so the why 51 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:05,800 don't we get started on how you got into interior design. 52 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:10,700 Okay, so I actually got started from interior design in high 53 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:14,800 school. I grew up in a very small town 54 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:21,300 that Cows and horses and one of our classes has actually 55 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:27,100 interior design and of more residential based but they had a 56 00:03:27,108 --> 00:03:32,200 few people come over from like different universities and kind 57 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,600 of give their spill in like their program with an interior 58 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,700 design. Mmm. 59 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,300 And like being from a small town. 60 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:45,000 I was like I am out of here. When I graduated I mean go to a 61 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:49,900 A college that's far away. But then I ended up the one that 62 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:52,600 I got accepted to. Well I got accepted to a few but 63 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,600 the one I ended up going to was actually, in San Francisco. 64 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Hmm, that one was kind of Closer by than I was expecting, but it 65 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:05,900 was so different from from here. Yes, still a big city, exactly. 66 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:09,400 Yeah. Lately different like, cows and 67 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,900 horses. I mean, because a group and 68 00:04:11,900 --> 00:04:14,800 Loomis California. Yeah, it's a lot different now, 69 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:20,399 Right now 20, which is good, but yeah, that's how I kind of got 70 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,500 dropped into it. Okay, did you know that you are 71 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:28,100 creative before like hearing that talk on interior design? 72 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:31,300 It just you gravitated towards that subject because it's kind 73 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:36,000 of something that you're already really artsy, and creative and 74 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,700 high school. It seems like the only thing I 75 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:42,400 was actually interested in was like art and then also like we 76 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,000 had a Humanities class and I was interested in the humanities. 77 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:47,800 He's close to you but that was kind of more of a what do I do 78 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,800 with that? It'd be like more Museum jobs 79 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:52,900 and everything. So it was like, well, how could 80 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:55,600 I make money and be an artist at the same time? 81 00:04:55,900 --> 00:05:00,600 And so interior design and was kind of what I leaped into I 82 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,500 actually before I went to college. 83 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:06,500 I had no idea actually what it really entailed, okay? 84 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:10,100 So going into college, it made me understand really the 85 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:13,500 program. I was in there's like all these 86 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:14,900 different options that you go into. 87 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:18,300 Residential, you could go into. Commercially could go into 88 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:22,000 hospitality and that before I had no idea. 89 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:25,100 It was like a whole experience. Yeah. 90 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:28,500 So how did you like San Francisco the university that 91 00:05:28,500 --> 00:05:30,700 you went to did? You thought it was a good 92 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:33,700 program and they had good options for interior design? 93 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,700 Yeah, it was great. So I ended up choosing the 94 00:05:37,700 --> 00:05:40,200 private. So I went to the Fashion 95 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,700 Institute of Design and Merchandising. 96 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:49,700 I did that, because Cuz I was quite impatient had a program 97 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:53,100 where you could get through your ba with me three years. 98 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:55,800 So it wasn't taking a break or anything. 99 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,500 So, I ended up selecting that one and it was really cool 100 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:03,900 because you had this still do like you're normal like math and 101 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:09,200 you're history, also your English but they also had all 102 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,000 those different areas within interior design that you got to 103 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,100 explore. So they have like a potential 104 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:18,100 thesis Had commercial and they had a Hospitality one. 105 00:06:18,500 --> 00:06:21,900 So throughout the three years that you're actually there you 106 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:24,800 were kind of exploring those three different. 107 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,500 Okay. So you didn't have to choose 108 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:29,500 one. They let ya were all of them all 109 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:30,800 of them, right? Yeah. 110 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,300 And then they made you do an internship. 111 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,600 I think every college or university should make you do 112 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,700 that for sure. I agree. 113 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:43,400 Yeah. And so where did you intern at? 114 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:47,200 So I ended up interning. Any at or Spenard Associates. 115 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:53,300 So HBA, they're like the kings of hospitality own. 116 00:06:53,300 --> 00:06:58,400 The hospitality interior design world, you do all the really big 117 00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,900 luxurious and they do a lot of fun, a fun hotels to. 118 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,800 So they do like the Ritz Carlton's and they do the huge 119 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Marriott's and Hilton's and everything. 120 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:12,700 And I think for me because I was like, right out of high school 121 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:14,900 and I was like, I'm out of this little town. 122 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:19,900 Want to go see the world, I want to go experience at Hospitality 123 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:24,400 really interest me because it had like I was able to go 124 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,900 traveling for work, or I was to experience all the restaurants 125 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:31,700 in San Francisco. So it's just the more traveling 126 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:35,300 and culture that appealed to me it was more like the whole 127 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:39,600 hospitality industry. It's like that's my jam. 128 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Yeah. Living in San Francisco. 129 00:07:42,300 --> 00:07:44,300 Every time. Like we went out to like all the 130 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:48,100 fancy Restaurants and we checked out all the fancy hotels. 131 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:52,200 And anytime I got to travel I was like this is what I want to 132 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,200 design, it felt there was like a huge pool towards that. 133 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,300 I think it was just because mainly I wanted to travel I mean 134 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:05,000 so I've always been interested in different cultures and my 135 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,400 family's always been about food to so anything to do with food. 136 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,600 I'm like all right. Wow, that's it. 137 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,900 That's really great. That you are able to intern for 138 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:19,300 Them, did you end up working for them after college? 139 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:22,000 Or did you what was the next level actually? 140 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,900 So after college, I was like, oh my God, what am I going to do? 141 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:27,900 I'm done. Like, because you're so used to 142 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:31,000 just going to school your whole life and then once that's done, 143 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,200 you're like, okay. Now I need to like, figure out 144 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,900 where I'm going but I'm doing so within my internship, they were 145 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:40,299 talking about. You kind of have to go wherever 146 00:08:40,299 --> 00:08:45,800 the jobs are so I applied like all over the place and And I 147 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,200 ended up applying pretty much anywhere and everywhere I 148 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,500 actually did get a position HBK but they wanted me to move to 149 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:58,700 Hong Kong and I wasn't ready to move to Hong Kong. 150 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,300 So I ended up taking this position in the Santa Monica 151 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,800 that I applied for it, which was in hospital. 152 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,000 A design. So I went down there lived in 153 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,900 Santa Monica and her dog do Beach. 154 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:14,600 So that was awesome. Sounds great, hurry. 155 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:22,400 Okay, to be to know dolphins. And so I got a really good but I 156 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:27,200 mean she hired me because of my experience and my internship 157 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,300 with a okay. And she was a small boutique 158 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:35,800 kind of business like our, she had actually only one other one 159 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,700 other girl working with her. So, okay good at making her team 160 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:44,800 of 30 stop doing some really cool hotel. 161 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,700 Seems like we ended up doing the Ojai Valley Inn it up to me and 162 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:53,000 I'm a lot of the franchisee hotels that you like the Best 163 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,200 Westerns. So that was a great experience 164 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,900 because she was so small. They ended up doing a lot of 165 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:03,100 like the purchasing and we could think about Dean and a lot of 166 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:06,900 the project coordinating and then we got to touch like a few 167 00:10:06,900 --> 00:10:09,500 little. The concept designed to mostly 168 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:12,400 did the concept. Okay, yeah yeah. 169 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,900 So working for a smaller firm, did you? 170 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,600 So see the business side of it as well. 171 00:10:18,100 --> 00:10:22,000 Yes. Yeah, we her all about her 172 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,300 headaches. We hurt. 173 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:27,600 Oh, things that you're loved. I mean we were some funny 174 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,300 schedules. We worked because she wasn't a 175 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:33,600 morning person. Oh she worked in 27 so we worked 176 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,500 N7 but yeah we got to learn a lot about the business side. 177 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:41,900 I think working for a small firm is like really awesome because 178 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:44,800 you get to like have Hands-On on like everything. 179 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,500 But aside from the purchasing side project management from 180 00:10:49,500 --> 00:10:51,800 design. So you get to touch my clothes 181 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,100 with the different things. Yeah. 182 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:56,200 And because she was a small office, she shared an office 183 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,100 with her brother-in-law and her husband, and they ended up doing 184 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,300 movies. Oh, and skydiving. 185 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,400 So like, when I was trying to project manage all of the, and 186 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,200 the hotels that we had in stuff, I used to watch her 187 00:11:10,500 --> 00:11:13,400 brother-in-law, go like, in and out of our office with his 188 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,900 parachute. And I was like, I want to do 189 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:21,400 that. And so one day on my, on my day 190 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,700 off, he took me to go skydiving and I got addicted to skydiving. 191 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:32,100 Oh no the addiction wasn't actually the adrenaline rush. 192 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,800 It was a Clarity. So it's like you're jumping out 193 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:40,100 of a plane and you're falling at like 200 miles per hour mate and 194 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,600 you're just so focused on like pulling your shoe like this. 195 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:48,500 The only thing you're thinking about is that one thing, and so, 196 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:54,200 like all the stress of like your job and life, and work, and 197 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,300 everything just goes, like right out of your head, and that was 198 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:00,600 fiction. So, I ended up not only doing it 199 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,900 to redesign down in Santa Monica and it up doing some skydiving. 200 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,200 Jumping with people like a nanoscale are just guys who 201 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,200 taught me how to skydive actually did like Point Break. 202 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:19,100 Dad and Charlie's Angels. So we worked on a few 203 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:22,000 commercials that her brother-in-law and her husband 204 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,700 guy. So then like in the evenings or 205 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:27,000 like sometimes I would even do an interior design. 206 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,900 I end up doing like a jump and so they'd fill me. 207 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:32,900 And then when they like zoom in to the person who actually lands 208 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:39,100 at the model, if you wake me up at the one up in the air. 209 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:49,600 Yeah. But there's a connection to so 210 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,200 all about like the whole lot of traveling and everything. 211 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:55,900 The guy who taught me how to skydive and didn't get me a job 212 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:59,400 and I'm New Zealand. And this is kind of like around 213 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,600 the time. I think Lori the Rings. 214 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,600 Like first came out, it's kind of like, oh, I've heard about 215 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,700 New Zealand, because of this movie, but so I ended up going 216 00:13:07,700 --> 00:13:10,200 there. So I ended up actually taking a 217 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,800 whole year off of interior design. 218 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,900 And I think I did that because Has one I got burnt out from 219 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:21,400 going right from high school to call it and then doing like that 220 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,600 three-year like push and not having to time off except for 221 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,400 like a week for the holidays. Mhm. 222 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,200 And then like right into a job and then I think something and 223 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:39,100 it is stressful like project management and like the whole 224 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,500 procurement and stuff of interior design is stressful. 225 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:46,900 Yeah, it's really stressful and then I think being able to like 226 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,900 to take that break to work abroad. 227 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:52,100 I couldn't turn down. So we ended up doing that. 228 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:55,600 And then I live down there for a year doing skydiving, unlike 229 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,200 movies and a few cinematography of cameras and the tandems. 230 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,700 And I ended up meeting my husband there. 231 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,600 And so my guy being yes, skydiving. 232 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,100 Well he wouldn't cry. Have to like you went skydiving 233 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:11,900 at all but he was actually working in Australia but 234 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:17,000 traveling around New Zealand. No, I meant Em down there and 235 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,600 he's from England. So after your down there, he 236 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:28,100 ended up proposing and I ended up moving to England and then I 237 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:32,600 got back into interior design when he went to England and I 238 00:14:32,608 --> 00:14:36,500 went to England. Okay, wow, that's kind of 239 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:38,800 secure. It is, but it makes sense like 240 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,400 having that kind of Gap year or, you know, some time to just. 241 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,500 Yeah, you explain about Yeah, it was an unexpected Gap and I just 242 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:53,900 ended up getting into kind of like a dangerous passion but, 243 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:58,600 but it still in it kind of like checked off the whole like 244 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,300 travel bug that I had to. Yeah. 245 00:15:01,700 --> 00:15:05,800 And it just kind of led me on like a whole, like international 246 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,600 interior design path even though I took that that you're off. 247 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,500 Yeah. So what is it like designing 248 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:19,100 internationally like They have so many different codes and 249 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:24,300 regulations. Mmm, but America has the most 250 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:27,800 restriction out of everything. Okay? 251 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:30,200 So it was in a way, a little easier. 252 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,900 Mhm. Doing Hospitality. 253 00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:35,400 Because I didn't have going back to hospitality. 254 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,500 I didn't try to like switch between residential or even like 255 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:43,000 Office Buildings or commercials they and their job and 256 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:48,200 Manchester doing restaurants. We did a few little pubs that 257 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,700 had like ends above them. Oh, yeah. 258 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:56,000 But they were mainly restaurant. Hmm, it was really interesting. 259 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:00,000 I think, the more like we have a lot of, like, the 80 cows and a 260 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 lot of restrictions depending on your jurisdiction. 261 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:08,100 Mhm, Thursday, action. Kind of really depends on the 262 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:11,300 codes that you end up doing for the restaurant that you end up 263 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:13,500 doing, which is kind of crazy. Mhm. 264 00:16:13,700 --> 00:16:16,100 But there it was. Like the whole country was 265 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:20,300 pretty much uniforms, and you did have Ada regulations that 266 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:23,900 were not as regulated as ours are here. 267 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:29,100 The most regulations that you had over in England or was 268 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,400 actually the buildings. So they a lot of them were 269 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,700 historical buildings. Oh yeah, hmm. 270 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:39,700 So one of the buildings that we worked on, it was a crypt oh 271 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,100 like weight in like the Middle Ages. 272 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:47,500 Yeah then it turned into A wine cellar and then it turned into a 273 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:52,800 cafe. Oh, so we did the remodel for 274 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,400 that. We had to actually get an 275 00:16:55,500 --> 00:16:58,700 archaeologist and make sure we weren't disturbing any bones. 276 00:16:58,700 --> 00:17:02,800 Mmm, couldn't also put. We can put any holes, like any 277 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,800 new holes. It couldn't put in the building 278 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,900 at all. So we work with what was there. 279 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,599 So that was a challenge with the lights because the lights were 280 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,099 like really done. Those were kind of the 281 00:17:14,099 --> 00:17:17,099 challenges. Found and Europe that we worked 282 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:19,500 with a lot. So most of the historical 283 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:21,599 buildings. Yeah, yeah. 284 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:27,300 Wow, how fun though? So once you had decided on 285 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:31,100 Hospitality design, were you ever curious about exploring 286 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:34,600 other commercial or residential? Or is it just like you knew 287 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,500 Hospitality was for you and you still love it obviously. 288 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:44,200 So yeah, no, it was always just Hospitality was always what I 289 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,200 love. Lived. 290 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,100 I've never thought about anything else. 291 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:51,500 Yeah, I mean really recently I thought about like more of like 292 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:57,100 the boutique Office Buildings and some retail but it's still 293 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:01,900 yeah it's still Hospitality so it's really just restaurants and 294 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,900 boutique hotels. For sure. 295 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:07,000 That's great. That's like a I mean it's really 296 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,300 like a niche that you can just stay and do excellent at, you 297 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:16,100 know, it's your you really excel at that and that's When I get 298 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:18,900 inquiries for this types of things, I send them your way. 299 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:24,800 You're really good at it. Yeah, I think it's just, it's 300 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,800 really just based on like, what you love. 301 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,600 Hmm. Like like I was talking about 302 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,000 like, with my family, it's always kind of been about, you 303 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,000 know, you gather with your family and it's always about the 304 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,500 food, it's always around food and then my experience in San 305 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:43,100 Francisco, really changed me because of the restaurants that 306 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:47,400 we went to the atmosphere. Here and then College D and 307 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,600 Hospitality thesis, you got to design. 308 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,200 I mean, obviously when you're in college like you design a hotel, 309 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,100 right? But you're not given a budget 310 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:59,500 that was just like okay just design it and it's based off 311 00:18:59,500 --> 00:19:02,800 your creativity and it was also based off code which was cool 312 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:06,700 when you get into real life. When it's about the budget 313 00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:11,600 restaurants to have that challenge of of a budget, really 314 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,000 tight budget especially with a lot of Clients that I have 315 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,500 because it's kind of like they're trying to create their 316 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:22,800 dream, but it's also like they're just beginning. 317 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,400 So they don't like a lot of capital to put into it, right? 318 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,400 So that's that's one of the challenges of doing the 319 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,000 restaurant industry. Is that it's not that often 320 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,400 where you get a restaurant owner who is willing? 321 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,800 I mean, sometimes you do who's willing to put out, like I don't 322 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,300 half a million. That's a lot for a restaurant 323 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,600 unless it's like a huge another play. 324 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,100 Lane to actually franchise out. Yeah, it is but budget is always 325 00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:52,000 challenging really any aspect of design because it's so limiting 326 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,900 to your dreams and hopes. It is right the challenge with 327 00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:59,300 hospitality where it's like you've gotta make sure that your 328 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:03,600 materials are very durable. Yeah they meet well for here it 329 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,500 is meet your fire rate at codes and stuff like chili. 330 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:08,900 They might have changed it in England since I've been there 331 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:12,800 because I was in England about eight years ago, actually nine 332 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,500 years ago now and There wasn't anything that had to do with, 333 00:20:16,500 --> 00:20:18,600 like, fire rating. Oh, okay. 334 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:21,800 When we made sure like the materials were actually like 335 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,200 durable. Hmm. 336 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,200 And they could sustain like the amount of people that are going 337 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,200 to have but yeah, the fire rating wasn't an issue over 338 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,900 there. Like we never really had to 339 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,900 worry about that may because it rained so much everything that 340 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:44,300 California would. Yeah. 341 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,700 That's True. That is true as a little bit 342 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:49,200 less flammable, I think. Yeah, okay. 343 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,000 So you were in England until about nine years ago, and then 344 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,500 you decided to move back to California or dead. 345 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,900 Yes, yes. Oh, because I was originally 346 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:02,700 from here, when I was in England, after I did, like my 347 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,000 whole like, okay, New Zealand working in New Zealand, and then 348 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,300 working in England, I always away from high school until 349 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:12,600 then. So that was a good. 350 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:14,500 I'm bad. At math, is why I'm going to 351 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:18,300 tear. Minor 20 years, I whatever. 352 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,300 Yeah. But being in England, I'm my 353 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,700 grandparents passed away. So it was a part like they like 354 00:21:25,700 --> 00:21:28,100 literally passed away like all within like the same year. 355 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:31,300 Oh no. And it was hard for me to get 356 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:34,700 the funding to come back home for like all the funerals and 357 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:37,800 for, you know, I mean before we even the funerals just to say 358 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,100 goodbye and stuff so it's time for me to come back home. 359 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:45,100 So I kind of did like a whole a whole circle, but Yeah, so that 360 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:48,200 those main reason I came back and then I just got right back 361 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:54,000 into the hospitality aspect of it when I was actually working 362 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,500 and England. The company that I worked for 363 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:01,600 CDs Williams. They did back of house 364 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,300 commercial design. So like the the kitchen, so we 365 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:08,900 can go here and all of the, what we call, like K sheets over 366 00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:09,800 here. So, the kitchen. 367 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,600 So that was the first company I worked for that basically zero. 368 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,800 And on restaurants and adopted the zero and like the 369 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,300 front-of-house their main thing was actually doing the 370 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:24,000 commercial kitchens. Okay? 371 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,400 Yeah. Because there was a Leah 372 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,900 separate ball game for me. Yeah. 373 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:32,100 Because they did pretty much everything. 374 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:35,700 So they picked out stuff from the plates that go on the tables 375 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:40,400 to the front of house design to The Branding to actually the 376 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,500 installation. So they have their own 377 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,000 construction team to. But, um, They're a big so 378 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,700 working at a company like that, you got to experience a lot of 379 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:50,600 it. But you got to kind of 380 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,900 understand how important it was for like the operational flow of 381 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:59,300 the restaurant because you could make it look as pretty as you 382 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,300 want. But unless you have like 383 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:05,300 operational flow less, they have the right staff for the service 384 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:10,000 unless they have the right food coming out, they don't really 385 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000 succeed. So you kind of need all those 386 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,200 things. So learning that Is gold really 387 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:20,600 in about the kitchen equipment, learning about the operational 388 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,000 flow on your design for the front of house. 389 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,700 And then so when I moved back here, I actually found a company 390 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:32,700 who did that also, mine has been installed that they didn't do 391 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:36,500 the install bit, but did commercial kitchen was actually 392 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:41,300 there it was their main thing. So they did all the commercial 393 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:46,300 kitchen drawings and design and so, They hired me to actually 394 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:49,600 build up their interior design so that way they were able to 395 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,400 offer their clients like the full service. 396 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:52,700 Okay. Yeah. 397 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:56,900 And so then at what point did you start your company? 398 00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:59,700 So I only started my company like two years ago. 399 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,200 Okay. Yeah I'm ready. 400 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:09,400 Call it like a baby isn't but I've been doing interior design 401 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,900 for Hospitality for like over 20 years. 402 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,600 But yeah, so when I, when I got here the Benny that I worked for 403 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,900 was a great company, they were based in Sacramento and that was 404 00:24:19,900 --> 00:24:22,400 the whole reason why I moved back because my family's in this 405 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,500 area but they move their headquarters to Costa Mesa and I 406 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:30,900 wasn't going to move, they just move back, right? 407 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,500 So we ended up not arguing with them anymore and I got back into 408 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:39,200 a hotel design for this other company and I saw their company, 409 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,400 they did like a really big hotel. 410 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,500 So they did the wind Garden ins they did the Marriott. 411 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,100 ABS. They did the IHG hotels. 412 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,500 It really big franchise Hotel Hilton. 413 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:51,000 Hilton was really fun to work on. 414 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,600 I like the built-ins. Yeah. 415 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,700 So he also answered built, their interior design company. 416 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:59,500 I had to say it two years ago to start my own, are you okay. 417 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,300 And how are you enjoying it being a, I love it. 418 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:08,000 Oh my God, I love it so much. Hey do I look to you get to 419 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800 select the projects that you want to work on? 420 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:16,000 Hmm, I know as a business owner. And I mean, you have to make 421 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,300 your pills to that's always the, you know, scary part. 422 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:23,000 Yeah. Is is getting, you know, all the 423 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,200 financing to all them all the money. 424 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,900 Yeah, it's been fun. Hey good. 425 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:30,600 So where do you see yourself going? 426 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,700 Like, you think you'll grow to the size of having some 427 00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:37,800 employees or just going to see how it goes from here? 428 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,200 I think I would like to but I think I'd like to see Boutique. 429 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,200 Okay. I don't think on Honestly, I'd 430 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,000 have probably more than like five people. 431 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,200 I mean, that's how I see myself currently. 432 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:56,100 I really think it would be awesome to somehow collaborate 433 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,300 or like partner with someone who does kitchen design as in like 434 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:04,100 the commercial kitchen design, just because it's not really my, 435 00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:08,800 I could do it. I'm good at it, but I don't 436 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,100 really like it as much. Yeah. 437 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,600 So to hire someone off on or to collaborate with someone 438 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,200 Actually does that bit would be good? 439 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:21,000 And then obviously getting someone to do, bookkeeping to, 440 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,900 right? Yeah, social media, I'm not very 441 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:29,600 good at social media. I think it's probably my age 442 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,900 where I'm just, I'm not like, I don't know. 443 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:34,100 I'm kind of morph so focused in the moment. 444 00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,700 I sometimes forget to video things, right? 445 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:39,900 Yeah, yeah. And that's what I'm bad at. 446 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,300 Yeah, we can Outsource that eventually. 447 00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:43,200 I'm sure. Yeah. 448 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,100 So, for someone Who is maybe going to design school and 449 00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:53,900 considering Hospitality design what your recommendations, like, 450 00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:58,400 what is it that they need to kind of really be interested in 451 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,600 or know about before committing to hospitality for Hospitality? 452 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,400 I think if you have more of like an interest in a passion for 453 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,500 like traveling and food, that's that's kind of the base of it. 454 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:18,200 But knowing that hospital Money design has a lot to do with code 455 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,700 restrictions. It has a lot to do with 456 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,200 operational flows of the business. 457 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:31,800 It's kind of not really all about your aesthetic like if it 458 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,400 was all about my aesthetic things would be like black and 459 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,500 elegant and have some crazy, fun graffiti art work all over the 460 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:44,500 place, but but it's more about your clients. 461 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:50,300 And and what they're trying to achieve as their own customer 462 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:53,000 experience. Like, we just finished up a 463 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:59,900 booty law office, she was a divorce attorney and her client 464 00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:03,700 experience, but she wanted it. Is that she wanted it to be like 465 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:07,100 cozy and comforting. And like here, here's a tissue, 466 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:12,100 not like, I'm going to like, you know, make sure you get what you 467 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:14,500 need kind of thing. I do like her interior. 468 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,000 Is we're all about that. It weighs more. 469 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,900 It was more natural and it was comfy and cozy for her clients. 470 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,700 So that was her brand and then it's kind of yeah, like 471 00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,100 especially with their restaurants if you kind of have 472 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:32,200 more like an idea of like menu and logo. 473 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,100 That's an order of what we go off of and how you want your 474 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:39,700 clients to your customers who come into the restaurant to 475 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:41,600 experience, how you want them to. 476 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,500 So it says it's about the brand, their final Journey. 477 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,800 Any really, that's how you end up designing for them. 478 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:51,900 Do you work a lot with graphic designers on The Branding 479 00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:56,300 messaging and brand development? Or is that something that you 480 00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:58,700 actually work on yourself? Like have you developed your 481 00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:03,000 graphic design skills and things like that for working with a 482 00:29:03,008 --> 00:29:06,100 brand. So closely to development I 483 00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:10,700 recommend that they always go to a graphic designer or a breast 484 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:13,600 specialist. A lot of times when the clients 485 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,700 come to me especially See restaurants. 486 00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:19,400 They already have like their logo and their venue. 487 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,300 So they've already started working with someone and he does 488 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:27,800 branding hmm. And then if they don't then we 489 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,900 can I have many times. It seems like lately put 490 00:29:31,900 --> 00:29:34,600 together kind of like a guideline. 491 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,700 So I'm doing a no bar right now. And the guy, he literally gave 492 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:44,200 me like a t-shirt of like a Miami Vice kind of theme and 493 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,900 that's what? They had to go off of so he 494 00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:51,000 hasn't started the brand yet for grantor a graphic artist which I 495 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,100 suggested he does but what we can do is kind of end up 496 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,300 choosing like well this is what, you know, the font in the colors 497 00:29:59,300 --> 00:30:02,000 that was based off of the Interior Design. 498 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,600 These are like the wine glasses, the cocktail glasses the 499 00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:09,100 silverware and stuff that will look good. 500 00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:14,400 So we kind of give them a guideline but yeah, to get like 501 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,400 all Of that. So he's got like business cards 502 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,700 and websites and stuff that I actually coordinate with this 503 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:22,400 brand. We see ya, you're a 504 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,300 professional. We my Diaz and guidelines. 505 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,100 Yeah. Anything else you would 506 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:31,400 recommend for designers starting out or someone carries about 507 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,200 doing Hospitality design. Definitely always do an 508 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,100 internship okay? No matter what. 509 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,900 I also feel kissing in high school, it's kind of like all 510 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:44,400 about the grades so that way you can get into the college. 511 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:48,900 And then I found out that, like, no one told me, but like, they 512 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,000 don't really care about your grades in college, so it doesn't 513 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,200 really matter if you get like straight A's, I'm saying, like, 514 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,600 flunk your classes but it's not really the main focus. 515 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,900 I feel like if you end up out of college, having a really good 516 00:31:02,900 --> 00:31:05,700 portfolio and really good experience and then like decent 517 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:12,000 grades, your good really golden. And I think I stressed a lot in 518 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,400 college about just trying to get like a really good girl. 519 00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:16,800 Okay. Yeah, and then also the 520 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,200 internship, which I, you know, they convert resources, getting 521 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,400 to know people is definitely something. 522 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:29,400 Whether you're in your own business or you're in school or 523 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:32,600 in about going to college just getting like networking and 524 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,300 getting is like a huge, huge Advantage. 525 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:40,300 So internship and resources, gal. 526 00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:41,700 That's great advice. Thanks. 527 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,300 Where can people find you? They want to look At your work 528 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,700 and they can find me on my website, I'm, which is just 529 00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:57,200 www.prestigemitsubishi.com, or they find me on Instagram, I'm 530 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,800 normal on Instagram. I haven't moved over to talk 531 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,800 yet. Instagram is just at Brass Road 532 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,600 Studios. Okay, great. 533 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,200 Well, include that in the show notes, and thank you so much for 534 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,300 coming on. It's been great talking to you. 535 00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:14,200 I think you're my first Hospitality designer. 536 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,300 So, So it's great to get your perspective and then just 537 00:32:17,300 --> 00:32:20,800 hearing all the different avenues that you took to get to 538 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,800 where you are today. So so interesting. 539 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,500 Thank you, Jessica. Yeah, thank you for having me. 540 00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:35,900 We'll talk to you soon. Such an interesting path that 541 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:39,600 Jessica had and I really enjoy hearing her story even about 542 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800 skydiving. You never know what experiences 543 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,700 are going to inform your current career choice and give you some 544 00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:50,300 more knowledge that you can apply to your design projects. 545 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,600 So I really loved interviewing Jessica and it go ahead and 546 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,000 reach out to her. If you want to ask her more 547 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000 about Hospitality design, if that's something you're 548 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,700 interested in, will have her contact info in the show notes 549 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,200 and you can find those at our Ward Design.com for / podcast, 550 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,300 don't forget to leave a rating and review wherever you, listen 551 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:11,500 to podcast. I love to read those. 552 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,900 And here at what you enjoy about the design, curious podcast, 553 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:19,500 stay tuned for next week. 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