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Hello and welcome to episode 42 
of design, curious podcast. 

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I'm your host and Mentor Rebecca
board. 

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Today on the podcast, we have 
Leah, Connolly of Studio, 

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Connolly, interior, design, and 
I know that you're going to love

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this interview. 
She used to be my employee and 

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worked for me for five years 
before going out on her own, 

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which is just really special and
she has expressed that how much 

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she appreciated, how prepared 
she felt when she started her 

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business. 
So we'll get into that a little 

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more in. 
In the interview. 

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But before that just a quick 
reminder, we had those downloads

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for you in the show. 
Notes to get started in your 

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career in interior design and 
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From episode 38 on how 
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will level up your interior 
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She's super excited about it is 
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time and we're just doing this. 
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June. 
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the course Link in the show, 
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you'd like to take it for free 
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So cool. 
All right, so you're going to 

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take advantage of that and now 
let me tell you a little bit 

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more about Leah. 
A true, extrovert, Leah loves 

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getting to know her clients and 
connecting with them on a deeper

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level, taking time to figure out
what they value most in life and

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in their homes, after earning a 
bachelor's degree. 

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Interior design at UC Davis, 
jump straight into a world of 

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interior's working for several 
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Sacramento interior designers 
including yours, truly. 

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However, as the climate 
continues to change, she's 

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taking a long hard, look at the 
design industry, and the waste 

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and harmful chemicals. 
It generates Leah found is due 

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to Kali in 2020, in an effort to
minimize the environmental 

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impacts. 
She had been witnessing 

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firsthand, she makes it her 
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sustainably focused brands. 
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within the home and recycling as
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She also knows that lighting 
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home greatly impact, your 
well-being, both mentally and 

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physically her own home is full 
of house, plants to improve air 

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quality, and bring nature 
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And she loves incorporating, 
plenty of plants into her 

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projects to Leah is an 
award-winning interior designer 

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and a certified interior 
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California and a Glade green 
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It is true about the plants and 
he's my go-to expert on house 

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plants during the pandemic. 
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definitely increased my 
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So whenever one was being 
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care for it, I'd go to Leah and 
ask her and she has some great 

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tutorials actually over on her. 
Instagram, for how to care for 

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the plants, as well as some 
other great design advice. 

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So definitely go check that out.
Okay, so now, without much 

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further Ado, let's get to our 
conversation with Leah. 

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You're now listening to design, 
curious a place where you 

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creative one are here to learn 
about what it really is. 

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Like, to be an interior designer
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Rebecca, Ward, if you're worried
about how to succeed in a 

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creative career, if you're ready
to learn your next steps to 

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become an Interior Designer. 
And if you want the satisfaction

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of doing something you love 
every day, you are in the right 

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place. 
Grab a coffee. 

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I know. 
Notebook, and let's dig into 

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today's episode. 
Hi, Leah. 

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Welcome to design curious 
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Thanks for having me. 
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So fun, especially because we 
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We go back, a long ways. 
I think we first met, I was 

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pregnant with my son and I was 
interviewing you to work for me 

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part time, but let's go back 
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And kind of tell everybody what 
your path to Interior Design was

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like it start young all the 
details. 

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Yeah. 
It started pretty young in high 

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school. 
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So I did a lot of art classes 
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wanted to do something creative.
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I was going to be a fashion 
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bit more about that world and it
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And so I think watching HGTV 
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side of things and I decided to 
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When I went to college, I went 
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a cool program because you kind 
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some classes from different 
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So, I got to do Interiors 
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graphics and color theory, 
things like that, so it's pretty

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cool. 
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started by emailing a bunch of 
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see if anyone needed help which 
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because it worked. 
I got a couple people to reply 

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and yeah, a couple people said 
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part-time help, so that's kind 
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the industry. 
I guess was just by emailing a 

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degree. 
It doesn't hurt to just blast 

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out an email because you never 
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Like someone might have just 
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my business and like you get the
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like yes you answering that 
call. 

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I need you right now like let's 
set up an interview. 

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Yeah yeah doesn't hurt and well 
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the recession, obviously kind of
freak people out and I think a 

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lot of people didn't want to 
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was when I started, you know, 
asking about freelance Positions

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and I think people were finally 
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maybe I could use a little bit 
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just far enough past the 
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ready to think about that. 
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the Catalyst for a couple people
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few hours of help here and 
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Yeah, definitely for me. 
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And I started out just like 
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different people and obviously, 
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before I had you, I had interns 
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on their part time person but I 
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just be a little more available 
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that need for me. 
Yeah, I think I might with you 

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about six months into the 
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As I already kind of worked a 
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people and then started with you
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join full-time. 
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straight. 
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freelancing working for other 
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to take. 
Take projects for yourself at 

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that time or just to help out 
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the time because I didn't even 
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still didn't quite know what I 
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I was kind of like I wanted the 
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about vendors and construction 
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school, it's all more conceptual
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So yeah. 
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So then then what happened after
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Some part-time positions or 
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Yeah well you're like a year 
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freelancing. 
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with the idea of bringing you on
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up all the loose ends with the 
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other designers and then joined 
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Was it 2016 that sounds right, I
think that's right. 

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Yeah, yeah, I think It was 
right? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
And then I worked for you for. 

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I think it was like five and a 
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It was. 
Yeah, I had a good run. 

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Yeah, and that was, you know, a 
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hire someone full time. 
It was slightly easier because 

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my business is already set up as
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So I was an employee of myself. 
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that team wasn't as big of a 
deal because if I had to do that

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whole transition at the same 
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now I Fully responsible for this
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enough job to support it but 
quickly found out that actually,

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it is profitable to have an 
employee, because your billing 

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time, I'm billing time and is 
much more than I could do by 

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myself, so, yeah, great. 
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And so, then he always kind of 
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probably go on your own or 
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anything when I, you know, first
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always In the back of my mind 
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business someday. 
I don't think I could have 

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gotten to the point where I was 
comfortable doing that if I 

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hadn't had those five and a half
years of experience with you 

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because I think it's like really
important to have that Hands-On 

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before you feel like you can 
manage something on your own. 

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So yeah. 100% like practice, 
you're practicing. 

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Have to do it yourself. 
Yeah yeah. 

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Yeah definitely well and it 
helps to that you'd like trusted

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me and gave me a lot of 
responsibility so I feel like I 

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got a lot more comfortable with 
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things too, because of them. 
Mmm, yeah, you definitely grow 

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into that senior designer 
position taking on a lot of 

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responsibility, which was really
helpful and fun to see you 

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growing in that way. 
And I need took your and C IQ 

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and everything. 
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that process. 
So then you are looking at, you 

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know, starting your own 
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And I know that, like, right out
of the gate, you kind of chose a

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niche to promote like in your 
branding and messaging. 

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I'm so talk a little bit about 
that. 

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Yeah, so I think probably 
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working in the industry. 
I started to notice how wasteful

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it can be, especially on the 
construction side of things. 

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There's a lot that you did, you 
just see on demo day, they just 

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kind of Chuck it in the dumpster
and goes to the landfill and 

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it's like, well I guess that is 
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with Furniture. 
There's a lot of Manufacturers 

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who when something comes damage 
they just send you a replacement

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there. 
Like just get rid of the other 

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one, you know. 
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like, there has to be something 
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And so, I just started exploring
Avenues of like repurposing 

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donating trying to make sure 
that we repair things instead of

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just throwing them away right 
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So, I decided to focus on 
sustainability as just kind of 

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an overarching Concept in my 
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You know, I didn't want to 
promote it as like I'm the 

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expert in all things sustainable
design because obviously I'm 

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still learning about it as I go.
So, I Kind of went with the term

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environmentally-conscious 
residential interior design. 

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So it's I'm just thinking about 
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So part of that is making sure 
that my receivers are careful to

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recycle my packaging or for demo
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For example, if the Cabinetry 
and appliances come out in good 

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shape I have a company I work 
with that comes to pick those 

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things up and take them to a 
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of overt as much stuff from the 
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Have you found that clients are 
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showing me that, that sometimes 
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focused on sustainability and 
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even for the clients who don't 
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are interested in learning about
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fact that your vinyl floors? 
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into the air, they're like, oh, 
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Thanks for telling me, you know?
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I would think it'd be hard to 
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don't care. 
Yeah, just give me all the right

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Any way to think about the 
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niche would like, deter people 
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that's not been the case at all.
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you're paying attention to 
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whether or not your client cares
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It's just another aspect of my 
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with you in this endeavor? 
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who can come and take things 
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companies that will accommodate 
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It was challenging. 
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just because I wanted to kind of
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when I needed them. 
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sometimes just because there 
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that, you know. 
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more down the man. 
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So what other things like a new 
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Might be interested in this 
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Do but might not be fully aware 
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should be looking for and 
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What are some things that they 
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paying attention to recycling? 
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trying to divert things from the
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probably the easiest That 
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probably the lowest hanging 
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there's a couple of 
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So just I have like a couple of 
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that you could look into one of 
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talking about let's say like 
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Stewardship Council. 
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they're heading down with the 
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Okay, so that's a big one. 
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materials would be a green guard
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you're doing like a vinyl 
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like releasing those toxic 
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talking about and then one for 
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I don't actually know how to 
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a Kotex. 
I'm not really sure it's 0. 

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EK 0 text. 
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been tested for harmful 
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finding a list of certifications
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a good way to get started. 
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sustainable. 
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labels to look for them and 
they're like helps narrow down a

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lot and makes it less 
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Yeah. 
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That's a good start to look for 
those things. 

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Now you're leed-certified. 
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So does that come into play at 
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All with residential designers 
really that more for commercial 

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projects or explaining? 
Yeah, so I'm relieved, green 

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associate, which means I took 
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I'm not a Leed accredited 
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would need if you were doing, 
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building. 
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for residential, it's not super 
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lead project. 
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studied a lot of the aspects of 
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And so I'm paired with The 
knowledge of like, oh, we need 

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to look for a faucet that has 
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gallons per minute and like the 
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looking for Led fixtures, all 
those types of things, it just 

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means I spent time studying it 
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that all use it to help get a 
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makes sense. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Totally does. 
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So would you recommend if a 
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sustainable design path with You
recommend them. 

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Getting a Leed certification. 
I mean, I think it definitely 

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can add to your resume and I 
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discounted rate to take the Leed
green associate exam. 

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So like if you're still in 
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idea to just go ahead and do it,
get it out of the way, 

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especially because you're, you 
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So you're already used to 
studying for exams, so you knock

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it out. 
So in, all right, yeah, yeah, 

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it's useful, you know, if you're
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Our whole life. 
It's you might not necessarily 

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put it to use other than the 
knowledge base. 

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But yeah. 
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What other recommendations do 
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starting out? 
Because you kind of recently 

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have travelled this path going 
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someone else to your own 
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Do you have any like, mindset 
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aware of, or any challenges that
may be just weren't expecting 

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that kind of came up. 
I think one of The biggest 

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lessons I've learned both 
working for you and also on my 

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own is to get really comfortable
with asking questions. 

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Mmm-hmm, I think sometimes early
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pretend that, you know, a lot. 
So people are impressed but I 

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think if you don't know the 
answer someone does and you can 

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find that person if you just 
say, hey I don't know. 

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The answer to that. 
Let me find out for you and then

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you approach someone who's an 
expert in that area? 

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I mean, I think that goes a long
way and that kind of can help 

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you Build confidence in a weird 
way. 

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It sounds kind of counter 
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don't know. 
Helps you become more confident,

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but I think it's true. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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You know who to ask at least, 
so, that's valuable. 

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Yeah, I think Making Connections
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goes hand in hand with that. 
So, meeting sales reps that are 

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an expert with their products 
and meeting other designers who 

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are experts in other areas of 
design and just Making strong 

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connections to those people so 
that when you don't know the 

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answer, you can approach them 
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Hmm. 
I think that's probably the 

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number one thing. 
And number two thing would be. 

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I mean if you're like brand-new 
work for someone the 100% if I 

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can give any piece of advice to 
anyone work for someone first 

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because I mean I have a couple 
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started their business without 
working for someone and they 

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say, the one thing they wish 
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years of experience with another
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need to learn anyway and so 

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doing it while you're able to 
watch someone else go through, 

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it is probably a lot easier and 
less expensive you know, for ya 

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for you to learn that way as 
opposed to just trying to make 

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your own path. 
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So it seems like your business 
is going really well, I see, you

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know, you're busy all the time 
and what are some key things 

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that have really helped, you 
grow your business since you 

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started out. 
Well, this is going to Sound 

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kind of annoying, maybe, but I 
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way that I started it during the
pandemic, when everyone was at 

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I think I only had a couple of 

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months of like quiet time and 
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a hit the ground running because
everybody needed help. 

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I don't know if I have like the 
perfect answer for how to get 

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your business to be like, super 
busy. 

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But I think part of it might be,
but I spend a lot of time 

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building my Instagram presents 
kind of, you know, I have like a

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monthly Series where I share 
design tips and X and things 

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like that. 
And I think that kind of builds 

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trust. 
So, I guess, you know, coupled 

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with The Accidental, oh my gosh,
I'm so busy of the pandemic. 

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It was also that I was building 
those relationships with people 

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online and making myself. 
Relatable. 

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Yeah, that's good. 
Okay, well, anything else you 

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want to share with our audience 
about sustainability or business

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or design? 
Yeah, I mean, I guess. 

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Sustainability I would say like 
I feel like when you start 

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looking into it with all of the 
details of everything, it can be

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a little overwhelming. 
So I think I just want to 

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encourage people to start with 
one thing. 

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Like pick one thing you care 
about with whether that's 

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diverting things from the 
landfill or non-toxic materials.

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Things like that. 
Just pick one thing and focus on

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that for a little bit and 
eventually you'll get 

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comfortable with that and then 
you can move on. 

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I think it's better to do a 
little bit of One thing rather 

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than try to like, feel like you 
have to cover all the ground at 

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once because I'm gonna burn out 
on it. 

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Yeah, that could be overwhelming
for sure. 

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Oh, this is kind of a random 
piece of advice that. 

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Yeah, it's very specific to. 
Like let's say, someone has been

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a sole proprietor for like half 
a year and they're like, maybe I

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should be an LLC. 
There's like a whole huge switch

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that comes with that you like I 
wasn't warned about that when I 

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first started my CPA was like oh
yeah you can start as a sole 

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proprietor and it's easy to make
the switch. 

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It's The on the tax side to make
the switch. 

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But like I had to get a whole 
new QuickBooks account. 

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Oh yeah. 
Completely changed my business 

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over because I was going to be 
filing as an s-corporation. 

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So I was like, yeah. 
That's like a very Niche 

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specific thing but like yeah, 
yeah. 

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It's not like you can just 
switch in a day and be like, 

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okay, now I'm a corporation and 
yeah, do you have a bookkeeper 

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that you are working with? 
Are you doing it yourself? 

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I do. 
I'm a bookkeeper. 

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I do a lot of it myself because 
you don't want them. 

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Month kind of stuff. 
I can manage a lot of the 

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transaction side of things, but 
I do meet with her, like, at 

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least every other month, to make
sure things are looking good. 

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And then I don't even bother 
with Texas. 

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I just have my CPA doable 
because, like, that's good. 

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Did you have a CPA before you 
start a business? 

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Or did you know? 
I don't really need one before 

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usually, but yeah. 
So there's a lot of things that 

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kind of come along with deciding
to incorporate and have a 

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business, but it's With that, I 
think it is. 

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Yeah, well I mean, once I saw 
the like savings that come with 

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switching to being taxed as an S
corporation I was like, okay, it

453
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was worth it, but the pain of 
having to transfer over to a new

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QuickBooks account was like Mmm.
Yeah. 

455
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There's it there's a little bit 
of growing pains there. 

456
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Yeah yeah. 
Well that's good like a PSA for 

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listeners. 
If yeah. 

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Random fact the people Prepared 
to kind of have some transition 

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time there. 
Well, thank you so much for 

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coming on the show today. 
Lee has been talking with you 

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again, and hearing your story, 
and you have so much great 

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advice. 
So thank you. 

463
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Yeah. 
Well, thanks for having me. 

464
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It was fun. 
It's fun. 

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Catching up to yeah, anytime. 
I'm sure. 

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I'll see you around town. 
I'm sure. 

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All right, we'll talk to you 
later. 

468
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Okay? 
Bye, bye. 

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So a great informational 
conversation about environmental

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impacts of design on the 
industry. 

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I really admire her stance on 
taking a niche in sustainability

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and admitting that you don't 
have to know it all to really 

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Niche down in that area, you're 
interested in. 

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So I feel like that is even 
rubbed off on me in a way as I'm

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looking for more sustainably 
sourced items and as you know, 

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things that can be recycled or 
used after they've been 

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completed in the house, House. 
And recently, even looked into a

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product from porcelain, Osa 
called Creon, that is definitely

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a recyclable countertop. 
So I'm doing some more research 

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in that area and I encourage you
to go on that journey to so we 

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can make sure that we're 
creating environments that are 

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non-toxic and also good for the 
environment and not adding to 

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the landfills. 
If we don't need to So if you'd 

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like to reach out to Leah and 
get some more information about 

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sustainable design or just go 
see her great portfolio, we have

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her contact information in the 
show notes and don't forget to 

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leave me that review for your 
chance to get free access to 

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that Master Class by Erica sort.
So you're going to want to do 

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that. 
You can take a screenshot of 

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your review and email it to me 
or tag me on Instagram. 

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So we know that you have done it
and that you can get your coat. 

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It for getting that Master Class
for free. 

493
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So stay tuned for another great 
interview next week. 

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Like I said, we're in our summer
series. 

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So we have another interview 
next week, instead of just it 

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solo episode for me. 
So it's actually going to be 

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quite interesting. 
I think you're gonna like it so 

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stay tuned for that. 
And until next week, stay 

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creative. 
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