1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,200 Hello, and welcome to design. Curious podcast. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:08,700 This is episode 31, and I am Rebecca Ward, your host and 3 00:00:08,700 --> 00:00:11,600 Mentor. Today, we are talking about the 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:17,000 value of being coached and I have a lot of experience in 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,400 being coached over the last several years. 10 years, maybe a 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,500 really hiring coaches and seeing the benefit that they have done 7 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:29,800 for my business. So I'm going to get all into 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,300 Ooh, that in the episode. And I want to remind you, we 9 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:35,400 have some free downloads for you. 10 00:00:35,700 --> 00:00:38,800 I have the three things. I wish I had known when I 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,500 started out in my career as an interior designer so you can 12 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:46,100 find out what those three things are and also the roadmap for 13 00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:48,900 becoming interior designers. So get those downloads. 14 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:53,400 I'll put you on the list to receive emails about the podcast 15 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,800 every week and any bonus things that I might be sending out that 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,800 can all be found in our show notes. 17 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:04,700 And on our website and don't forget to leave me a rating and 18 00:01:04,700 --> 00:01:07,800 review. I love to see those come in and 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,500 just love to know that you are getting benefit out of this 20 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:12,500 podcast. I have really enjoyed doing 21 00:01:12,500 --> 00:01:15,000 them. I have so many more great things 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,000 planned, and I want to make sure that the topics that you are 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,900 wanting, I am addressing. So, if you want to leave me a 24 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:25,600 review or go to my Instagram and leave me a direct message there, 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,900 I'd love to chat with you about any topic that you want to. 26 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:33,400 To hear on this podcast. All right, so let's get into the 27 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:41,300 topic of coaching. You're now listening to design, 28 00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:45,400 curious a place where you creative one are here to learn 29 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,500 about what it really is. Like, to be an interior designer 30 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:53,100 and I'm your host and Mentor Rebecca, Ward, if you're worried 31 00:01:53,100 --> 00:01:56,900 about how to succeed in a creative career, if you're ready 32 00:01:56,900 --> 00:01:59,900 to learn your next steps to become an Interior Designer. 33 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:04,100 And if you want the satisfaction of doing something you love 34 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,100 every day, you are in the right place. 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:08,600 Grab a coffee. I know. 36 00:02:08,699 --> 00:02:11,700 Notebook, and let's dig into today's episode. 37 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:17,300 When I was young, I was always hesitant about asking for help 38 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:20,500 even in high school. Like if I needed help with a 39 00:02:20,508 --> 00:02:24,200 subject, I was afraid to ask because I think that would be 40 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,800 admitting to myself that I was not good at it. 41 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,300 And so instead of seeing it as like, oh, I don't know how to do 42 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:34,300 this. Well I need an expert to show me 43 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:37,600 how to do it better. I looked at it more from a 44 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,800 shaming aspect of like I should know how to do this and I don't 45 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,700 and I I'm afraid to ask for the help. 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,500 Fortunately, I did not struggle too much in school, but there 47 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,800 was a few subjects that I definitely should have gotten 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,700 tutoring in and I didn't. And so I definitely grew from 49 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:57,800 that point because now, I am always asking for help and 50 00:02:57,900 --> 00:03:02,200 offering help to other people. So, in my path to becoming an 51 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,500 independent interior designer, I was first starting out on my own 52 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:12,000 around 2008, when blogging was really starting to take off. 53 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,800 I think it wasn't something that every single designer was doing, 54 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,600 yet I had a colleague who had a very successful and popular 55 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,100 blog. And so, it inspired me to start 56 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:26,900 a blog and I'm always like an early adopter. 57 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:29,200 I say not the earliest of adapters, but I am an early 58 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,900 adapter to see like, oh, this person is doing really well at 59 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:34,900 this. Maybe I should try it myself. 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:40,300 So since I had a lot of more time, as I was only self 61 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:46,300 employed in, 2009. I started taking a course called 62 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:51,500 blogging your way and it was the first time I had actually taken 63 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:57,000 a online course or been a part of a group coaching program that 64 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,800 I really discovered the benefits of that type of product. 65 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Where it's one too, many the coaches, helping a lot of 66 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,700 people, she did give some direct feedback to each of us 67 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,500 eventually her or her partner, who is also running the course. 68 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:16,800 But it was really beneficial, just to have that generic 69 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,100 knowledge that they were giving out. 70 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:23,800 So that kind of opened my eyes to to understanding that I can 71 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,600 learn things virtually first of all and that there's experts out 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,300 there who I can learn from to make my craft better and so 73 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:35,000 blogging was one of them and I really enjoyed doing that for a 74 00:04:35,008 --> 00:04:38,500 long time. We still have a Blog but it is 75 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:42,900 definitely not as much of a big deal as it was Around two 76 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:48,500 thousand nine and so, after a few years, I decided I could 77 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:51,500 maybe learn a little bit more about running my design business 78 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:56,500 because I was still struggling to really know if I was doing it 79 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:59,100 the right way. I was charging hourly by wasn't 80 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:02,300 charging for all of my hours and I wasn't charging a high enough 81 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:05,100 price. So the first coaching program 82 00:05:05,100 --> 00:05:10,100 that I became a part of, this coach was promoting flat fees 83 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:12,800 and especially during the Great. Session. 84 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,700 It was a lot harder for people to hire designers because it's 85 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:21,500 such a luxury business in the clients that I were working with 86 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:24,000 word. We're not very high end. 87 00:05:24,500 --> 00:05:27,900 It was helpful for me that this coach promoted the idea of 88 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:33,400 charging a flat fee per room, which turned out was a lot more 89 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,300 than I had been asking people in charging people. 90 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:40,800 For even though I would say in hindsight this is definitely 91 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:41,900 not. It wasn't a good. 92 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:46,700 Model for the long run, what it was really good for was asking 93 00:05:46,700 --> 00:05:50,300 for a lot of money up front from the client and having them say, 94 00:05:50,300 --> 00:05:52,100 yes. So it was a good practice for me 95 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:55,300 to say, like, okay, this design is going to cost five thousand 96 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:58,200 dollars for these three rooms. And this is what's included. 97 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,700 Does that work for you? The client would say yes, here's 98 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:03,400 your five thousand dollars up front. 99 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:08,100 And so getting that much money up front was a gradual way for 100 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:11,100 me to understand the worth and the valley that is bringing. 101 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:15,100 And just In for those numbers, money is hard and sometimes they 102 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:19,400 get up hung up on your own money issues, you're imposing them on 103 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,300 your clients, they might not have the same money issues and 104 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:26,600 so it was really good practice for me to set it up that way. 105 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,500 But then after a while I finding that I wasn't actually making 106 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:35,800 enough money with that model and that was putting a lot more into 107 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,700 my designs, then I was actually charging for. 108 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,500 So that's when I discovered Kimberly Selden in business of 109 00:06:44,500 --> 00:06:49,900 design and I got her books and I started implementing slowly and 110 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:52,400 then I kind of didn't for a little while, I just kind of did 111 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,700 my own thing. But I started I went back to the 112 00:06:54,700 --> 00:07:00,200 hourly and I always charged for my initial consultation because 113 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,300 I was with asid and that's something that they definitely 114 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,200 promote within the organization that you charge for your initial 115 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,900 consultation because you're a professional and your time is 116 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:14,100 Abel. I'm sure I was only charging 117 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:19,300 like $100 or something for two hours but it was a start. 118 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,300 So I was doing that, I was charging hourly, but not for all 119 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:26,800 my hours by did increase my price and start to set up some 120 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,400 procedures after learning about the business of design. 121 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:37,400 And then one day, I actually discovered podcast, and I think 122 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,600 it has started with ads listening to NPR and they had a 123 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,600 certain podcast that's are listening to And then I'm like 124 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,800 what our podcast and what kind of subject matter out there. 125 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,200 And then I'm like, oh, Kimberly has a podcast on interior design 126 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,600 business practices and so I've been judged that for weeks and 127 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,800 really got fired up to start implementing her program. 128 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,900 I signed up for business of design and really have seen. 129 00:08:02,900 --> 00:08:06,500 I still continue as a member today and I'm in there 130 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:10,700 Mastermind program and is just been so beneficial all the 131 00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:15,400 things that She has helped me along the way with my systems 132 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,700 and procedures and business practices and then introducing 133 00:08:19,700 --> 00:08:23,900 me to other designers who have similar problems and we can 134 00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:26,600 learn from each other. So, like I said, I still do 135 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,100 that. But then along the way, right 136 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:32,700 before the pandemic, I think it was in 2019. 137 00:08:33,299 --> 00:08:38,799 I started listening to Toby fairley's podcast and getting 138 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:42,500 curious about her coaching program because What was 139 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:46,000 attracting me to her coaching program was that she was talking 140 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,600 about designers having a scalable offer? 141 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:57,500 And I think that especially for years ago this was something new 142 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:01,200 for designers to think about one too many approach. 143 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,100 I mean there was always easy design but I really wasn't 144 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:09,300 interested in edesign per se and it's something I've offered on 145 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:13,400 and off through the past. But What was really interesting 146 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,100 to me was that she was commenting on how the industry 147 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:21,200 is Shifting. And that designers really need 148 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,700 to be thinking about scalable model, they can't always rely on 149 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:28,300 the one-to-one, business practices, and there's more 150 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:32,500 things that you can offer as a designer that can help you to 151 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,800 increase your bottom line. And so I sent for it to sign 152 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 you. And I really enjoyed her digital 153 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,400 marketing for creatives program. That's in there. 154 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,300 And that is why when 20/20 hit the pandemic, we all closed 155 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:48,800 down. I was primed and ready to create 156 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,700 a course that I could put out there even though it wasn't able 157 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:55,800 to meet with clients one-on-one, as able to Market to more people 158 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,700 and have a course that was available for them to purchase 159 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:01,900 ready to go. So that first course, is called 160 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:08,300 Home Design coach, and it is for the consumer who is kind of a 161 00:10:08,308 --> 00:10:14,400 DIY once to design the room. Like Pro and has some talent but 162 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,700 maybe doesn't have the budget to hire a designer. 163 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:20,100 So this kind of teaches them the skills that they need to get 164 00:10:20,100 --> 00:10:23,200 their house looking like a designer came through, but is 165 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,400 actually them and it's a learnable skill that they can 166 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,000 transfer to their next house. And so we had many people come 167 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,500 through that and is quite successful. 168 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:35,300 I created another course, called shifting spaces. 169 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:36,800 And this is also for the consumer. 170 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:42,000 This course is to help the consumer understand what it is. 171 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,500 It is, they need out of their home and the shifting 172 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:48,700 circumstances in their life might cause their home to need 173 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:51,800 to change and really to understand what it is. 174 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,200 They want out of their home before they even meet with a 175 00:10:54,208 --> 00:10:57,500 designer or before they even meet with a realtor to buy a new 176 00:10:57,500 --> 00:10:59,600 house. This is a course that's really 177 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,000 helpful for them to kind of get a list of things that they want 178 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,600 out of their home and really evaluate. 179 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,300 If they are getting the most out of their current place or if 180 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:11,900 they need to remodel or move, so that's shifting spaces. 181 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,100 Then of course, in that time I also started my design mentor 182 00:11:16,100 --> 00:11:21,800 and that was in 2021 and that just came out of the idea 183 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:27,800 because I was constantly being solicited by students or 184 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,500 potential designers looking to get into the industry and they 185 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:34,400 would ask it. Can we go for coffee? 186 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,700 Do you have like an hour? I can call you on the phone. 187 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:40,700 Can you answer this email of like 20 questions that I have 188 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,400 about the car? Career. 189 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:45,400 And I was doing this over and over and it was just taking too 190 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:50,100 much time away from my projects and wasn't always able to 191 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,200 accommodate their request. And so I was thinking well 192 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,800 wouldn't it be great if I could do kind of a one-to-many 193 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,500 approach here? Help the people to answer their 194 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:04,000 questions and meet with them once a month, if they want to, 195 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,600 and have a lot of resources for them to on their own, even 196 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,200 discover, if it's the right career for them through, My 197 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:18,700 design mentor and so that was how that was born and and I 198 00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:23,500 definitely would correlate that to to Toby fairley's design. 199 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,600 You as the impetus for me even thinking in that direction and 200 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,300 then of course this podcast even came out from there as an Avenue 201 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:36,400 to reach more people about the career. 202 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,800 All of that to say I probably wouldn't have done that without 203 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,800 the coaching that had gotten from. 204 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:45,400 Um, Toby fairley's program and from the life coaches that she 205 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,200 has in there working on mindset and everything like that. 206 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,000 And speaking of life coaching, I remember the first time I heard 207 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,200 about a colleague, having a life coach, and the misconceptions 208 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,000 that I had around life coaching, I was, I remember thinking at 209 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,600 the time, why would anybody need or want a life? 210 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,200 Coach like someone to tell them what to do in their life? 211 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,800 And that, of course, is not what a life coach does. 212 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:17,800 All coaches are going to ask you the hard questions and help you 213 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,700 get to the point of answering them for yourself. 214 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:26,100 So really life coaching, which is what is also kind of offered 215 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:29,000 through the design, you program. I worked with some life coaches 216 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,200 in there and I found it. So beneficial really to just 217 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,700 identify the mindsets that were holding me back in my business 218 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:42,600 and how to recognize them, replace them with positive. - 219 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,600 outlooks positive mindsets things that are going to help me 220 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,700 move towards success instead of hinder me. 221 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:52,000 And so now I can completely understand life coaching and 222 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,400 that probably everybody needs some life coaching every so 223 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,300 often because we always have something that's holding us back 224 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:05,500 and it's good to analyze what it is you're thinking and have 225 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:08,500 someone else kind of iterate it back to you. 226 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:11,800 So you can say like oh no, that actually isn't positive for you 227 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,000 that In a good thing, that's not gonna that's going to keep you 228 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,700 from going forward in your business. 229 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,300 And so, yeah, life coaching is also a great great experience 230 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:27,600 that I've learned along the way. And so then, I guess I have 231 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,400 become a very coachable person and I've changed over the years, 232 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:35,400 obviously, since high school and I have no problem asking for 233 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,900 help. And of course, for the podcast, 234 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,600 I went through Bethany reads course and Coaching program that 235 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,800 she has for podcast and she was on episode 18, if you missed 236 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,500 her, go back and listen to that. If you have any interest in 237 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:56,400 messaging, or branding or even having a podcast yourself, 238 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,800 you're going to want to reach out to her. 239 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,900 And so all that to say that I think coaching is amazing. 240 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:08,100 That I don't think that you can really go from beginner to 241 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:13,000 successful experience person without the help of Coach. 242 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,800 At least you can't do it very quickly. 243 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,500 So a coach can definitely fast-track your experience now. 244 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:24,400 Next week, I'm going to have an interview with a coach who we 245 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,900 discussed that exact fact that that coaching can really fast 246 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:34,000 track your path to success. And so all that to say that is 247 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,000 the value of coaching. And so I would say do it. 248 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,600 I thinking about the career, you can start off with With my 249 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,200 design Mentor, it's definitely. I've created to be like the 250 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,800 first step on your coaching plan because if you're anything like 251 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,400 me you you need kind of baby steps into coaching I think. 252 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,900 So let's hope the mentorship really and we talk about this 253 00:15:57,900 --> 00:15:59,900 next week. It how the difference between a 254 00:15:59,900 --> 00:16:04,700 mentorship and coaching, but I really think the mentorship is a 255 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:08,900 good stepping stone on your way to these more robust coaching 256 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:11,800 programs. And if you are interested in 257 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,900 going, Straight to the coaching programs. 258 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:17,400 That is great too. I have links for those in the 259 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,200 show notes and you can click on those and sign up for all of 260 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:31,600 those programs. So I know it sounds like I have 261 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:37,100 a million coaches and can there be too many coaches at one time? 262 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:38,700 I would say? Yes, I'm definitely. 263 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:43,600 I think at my limit of being in coaching programs and, you know, 264 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,600 just having the time to be coached and implement the things 265 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,100 that I'm learning from my coaches. 266 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,900 So, I learned that I had to set limits on that as well, because 267 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:57,700 I am multi passionate and just interested in personal growth 268 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,400 and and in growth of my company. And I'm always looking for ways 269 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,800 to fast-track that and to make it the best it can be. 270 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,800 And I know coaching is such a pivotal part of that, but I do 271 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,700 have to limit myself on that sometimes, with my three to four 272 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:17,400 coaches that I work with now. So, that being said, if you 273 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,900 would like to get baby steps into being coach, you can join 274 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:26,200 my design Mentor, link is in the show notes and I would love to 275 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,500 have you in there and just kind of introduce you to the Whole 276 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:32,700 world of coaching and learning from someone else to get you 277 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:36,300 going on your way. And then I also have the links 278 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:39,200 for the other programs that I belong to if that's something 279 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,900 that you'd like to join as well. I have affiliate links in there 280 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:48,000 for you and they'll know that you came from from me and from 281 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,600 the design, curious podcast, and that will kind of give you a leg 282 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,400 up so that they know that you are a qualified person ready to 283 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,500 be coached. So, go ahead and check out those 284 00:17:57,500 --> 00:18:00,200 links in the show. Show notes and I'm so glad 285 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,500 you're here and you're staying here for all the great. 286 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,600 In a reason topics, I have to come to help you understand if 287 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,700 interior design is the career for you. 288 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,600 So until next time, stay creative. 289 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:15,800 Thanks for listening. If you loved this episode, 290 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,500 please leave a rating and a review. 291 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:19,900 This helps me reach other curious creatives. 292 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:23,500 Like you, if you have a topic request or would like to contact 293 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:28,400 me, simply head over to my website, our Ward design.com Or 294 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,300 email me at podcast at our war design.com. 295 00:18:28,300 --> 00:18:32,300 Or email me at podcast at our war design.com.