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Welcome to episode 17 of design,
curious podcast. 

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Today, I am talking about books,
I guess, I am a bit of a 

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bookworm. 
I do love learning, I love 

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reading ever since probably the 
fourth grade, but in the last 

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five to eight years, I've really
turned my attention towards self

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improvement books and business 
Improvement books. 

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And so, I've brought to you 
today books that I thought It 

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would be helpful for those that 
discovering the career of 

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interior design as well as those
starting out their businesses. 

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So, I will have a list for you. 
I'm going to kind of talk 

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through them in the episode, but
of course, they will all be 

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listed out in the show notes. 
So you don't have to worry about

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writing them all down. 
So you can go to the shonas and 

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get links to all of these books 
and put them on your wish list 

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for the holidays. 
I think these would be a great 

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idea. 
I have a lot of books on my own 

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wish list. 
I love it when people I mean 

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bucks or even audible credits, 
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the car or whatever I might be 
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All right, so let's get into 
these books today. 

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You're now listening to design, 
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Like, to be an interior designer
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And let's dig into today's 
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All right. 
So this book list that I have 

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is, by all means, not all of the
books that I have read nor is it

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every single one that I 
recommend, but it's just ones 

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that come to top of mind for me 
right now, as I'm thinking about

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the ones I want to recommend to 
you to put on your wish list for

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people to give you maybe as 
presents or give you some 

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audible credits. 
To purchase these books. 

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Listening to a lot of these 
books, audibly has been a great 

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way to get through. 
All the books that I want to 

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listen to because I can listen 
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chores and things like that, 
when I don't always have the 

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time to sit down and actually, 
physically read a book, it's 

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really helpful to have that 
audible option. 

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All right, so the first category
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for the skills of interior 
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For those of you who are 
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interior design or maybe haven't
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These are some books that are 
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A few of them I was assigned as 
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and they may still be used may 
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I I don't know, I haven't 
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but I did find them helpful and 
I'm sure a lot of this 

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information could be found 
online if you're just Googling 

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for it, but it is nice to have a
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your fingers. 
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better than the internet, so I 
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that way but I do like having 
the These in my library, and 

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especially in early days, I 
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unsure, about spatial 
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particulars. 
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recommend is called professional
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by Christine piotrowski and it 
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So I think it's made me in the 
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So you'll want to get the most 
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you. 
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the different ways that you can 
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designer. 
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contract in their licensed from 
asid and maybe also from iida, I

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don't recall, but I did 
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setting up my own practice. 
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the resources that I have access
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internet. 
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So I know I am standing like a 
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there is some value in this book
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The other one is human 
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by Julia's Panero. 
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shows you and you know, I'm very
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So I like to see the graphs and 
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This book also is helpful for 
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NCI, DQ and need to know, you 
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be and things like that. 
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These are just the standards 
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That is doable for people. 
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chair to get, like a walkway 
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At a dining table between the 
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behind you. 
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Commercial spaces as well, so 
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human Dimensions. 
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recommended to, by my professor 
in school was called Time, Saver

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standards for interior design 
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By a couple people, I think day,
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Not sure how to pronounce that. 
But that is a giant heavy heavy 

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book, but this definitely has 
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Commercial standards. 
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compliance standards. 
How large all the spaces have to

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be for certain amount of people?
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Like I said, it's like a 
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So if you haven't gone to design
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something you're going. 
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construction and detailing for 
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ballast and that is another one.
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the construction detailing which
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of my weaker points knowing how 
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So those four books, I would say
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They are kind of pricey but I 
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in your library. 
If you have not gone to design 

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school, Cool. 
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career itself. 
Okay, so the next area of books,

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I would recommend is for 
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would be books for that I've 
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developing my business practices
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branding and things like that. 
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would recommend is e-myth 
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It is a great book that explores
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creator person and the actual 
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A lot of people will start a 
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the craft. 
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you love doing the interior 
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And so this book explores about 
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working on your business as well
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So this book is highly 
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recommend it as well. 
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I would recommend all of Mike 
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I've read them all but the three
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our profit first, get different,
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I love listening to those ones 
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animated. 
He just makes it really fun to 

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listen to, and very inspiring. 
So check those out, then I'll 

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move on to start with yhi 
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sinek. 
So it's kind of the Aviation why

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you're doing things? 
Why other people do things 

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really interesting topic? 
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plays into marketing messaging 
branding which is what you need 

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to do for your business. 
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building a story brand by Donald
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when you're developing your 
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A lot of great tips in that and 
then likewise this is marketing 

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by Seth Godin. 
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on Marketing, what people pay 
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think that marketing, is your 
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I've found these marketing and 
branding books, to be really 

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useful when I'm thinking about 
the messaging that and the 

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experience that I'm building for
my clients and then I would 

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definitely include in there. 
Kimberly selden's business of 

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design volumes 1, through 3 and 
in those, it lays out her whole 

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system which you can also 
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Program coaching program, but 
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well. 
They talk about the lifestyle of

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a designer creating the life 
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owning your own business and 
then kind of the practices and 

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then volume 3 is talking about a
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Okay? 
So the next area will can talk 

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about is personal growth. 
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And one of those is atomic 
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Must read by James Clerk. 
We're really inspiring kind of a

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kick in the pants on getting 
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we the nature of people and how 
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achieving our goals because it's
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not accidental. 
I'd also say, essentialism Greg.

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McAllen is the author of that 
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That was really like. 
Wow, you've got to fine-tune and

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focus. 
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that you're achieving in life, 
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So yeah, everyone should read 
essentialism. 

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I thought that was really 
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finished recently that I really 
enjoyed was called boundary Boss

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by Terry Cole. 
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effective for personal 
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relationships with clients 
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is so important. 
So I would recommend boundary 

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boss for that and then the road 
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Ron and season stable is a book 
on the Enneagram and just 

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discovering personality types 
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All I think is beneficial for 
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learning how to communicate with
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Well, so that's the road back to
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And then, lastly, in this 
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gay Hendricks and this book 
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problem where we kind of set 
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without. 
And that we need to kind of come

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to terms with the things that we
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on ourselves so that we can 
reach beyond that and actually 

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achieve the goals that we want. 
Okay, so the next category I 

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have is money mindset and my 
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are you are a badass at making 
money by Jensen chair? 

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Oh, I've read the physical copy 
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Also, listen to the audiobook, 
both are really fun. 

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And then the other one is, we 
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Rachel. 
Rogers and some crossover 

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mindset things but also really 
inspiring and I found really 

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beneficial for my business. 
So those are the categories that

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I have recommended for you and 
I'm just honest, I know what the

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things that I have on my list to
read, or that just I'm starting 

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right now. 
I just started business Made 

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Simple by Donald Miller and I 
think that's going to be really 

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good. 
Actually, I would probably 

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recommend it to my group next 
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We A book club within my design 
mentors that have books in there

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that I kind of recommend. 
And if anyone wants to talk 

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about it quarterly we can you 
know there's places to discuss 

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it in there but I think business
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really good for either people 
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business or those who are 
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It's how to really maximize 
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what else is on. 
My list is grit the power of 

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passion and perseverance by 
Angela Duckworth have her Heard 

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good things about that. 
So I have put that on my list 

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and then I also have went at 
work and succeed at life. 

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Five principles to free yourself
from the cult of overworked by 

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Michael Hyatt and Megan height 
Miller. 

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So that's what I've got on my 
list coming up. 

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I think I might revisit this may
be the end of next year and kind

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of let you know, the books that 
I did touch on this year and new

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ones that I have coming up. 
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just really love. 
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Improvement, business 
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I do read some fun for leisure 
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fun reading these books. 
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and that you can put some of 
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people can help support you in a
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you. 
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think I'm a nerd or what? 
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to be an entrepreneur but you a 
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is one of my core values. 
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hope of learning and growing and
just being able to transform and

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change. 
It's just so inspiring to me and

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I love when other people Embrace
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So if you have actually any book
recommendations that you'd like 

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me to consider, please do Send 
them my way because I'm always 

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looking for a good book to try 
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to my list to read this year. 
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books are listed in the show 
notes, you can find that our war

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design.com for / podcast, feel 
free to email me podcast at our 

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war, design.com are connect. 
With me on Instagram at our word

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design. 
I'd love to see you in my 

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messages and answer any 
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And I hope Guys are enjoying 
your holidays as we're 

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approaching the end of the year.
I have another great interview 

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for next week, with someone who 
really was critical in helping 

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me achieve. 
One of my goals for that was for

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this year. 
So we'll see you next week. 

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Creative one to discover. 
If interior design is the career

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for you and until then stay 
creative, thanks for listening. 

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