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Aloha and welcome back to Amen 
Podcast. 

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I'm lucky one of your host, and 
I'm joined by my husband, Alex, 

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who is preaching about something
that hits close to home for a 

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lot of us. 
When Jesus was on the cross, the

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men were deserting and the women
were distant. 

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And Alex is going to walk us 
through what it looks like when 

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we pull away from God, what we 
hide behind, why we go distant, 

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and how He still brings us back.
This one is for anyone who's 

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been present in name but far 
away in heart. 

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The verses for today are Matthew
27, verses 55 and 56. 

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I'll go ahead and read those, 
and then Alex will take it from 

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there. 
There were also many women 

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there, looking on from a 
distance, who had followed Jesus

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from Galilee, ministering to 
Him, among whom were Mary 

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Magdalene and Mary, the mother 
of James and Joseph, and the 

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mother of the sons of Zebedee. 
Amen. 

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Welcome back. 
We're in our Death of Jesus 

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series and it's been a good 
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And we're looking at verse 55 
today and 56. 

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Verse 55 starts off with saying 
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there. 
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We are on Golgotha, or as we 
it's been called in history, 

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Calvary. 
This is the death of Jesus. 

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He just yielded up his spirit in
verse 50, and we're looking at 

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all the things that happened 
directly after he yields up his 

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spirit and he breathes his last.
And this is like Part 2 of that,

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right? 
So we're in this series that has

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many parts, but there's a little
Part 2 of the things that 

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happened directly after he died.
Last week we talked about the 

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curtains splitting, the 
earthquakes and the rocks 

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opening, the tombs opening, all 
that stuff. 

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But now we look at the women who
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So they were present there the 
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crucifixion, and it says many 
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We're going to look at at least 
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and talked about. 
But there was a lot of women 

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there, and that's because they 
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the beginning. 
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But they accompanied Jesus and 
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apostles, and helped them cook 
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wherever they were staying at 
the time as they were doing 

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ministry. 
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men. 
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wasn't many men. 
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Well, we can see they have 
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They first left Jesus, deserted 
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We see Peter hanging out a 
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Jesus is being charged in the 
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But the men have deserted Jesus.
They are hiding. 

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And so it is today with men 2000
years later, they're still 

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deserting Jesus. 
But not only that, if you, not 

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just your, your fault, you don't
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your father or your or your 
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We get it from our first father.
Let's go all the way back to 

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Genesis chapter 3. 
In Genesis chapter 3 we see 3 

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different ways that Adam, our 
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In verse 7 it says that he sowed
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In verse 8 of chapter 3 it says 
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Why? 
He's hiding In his sin. 

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He's hiding he's deserting 
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But lastly in verse 12, he hides
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He blames Eve. 
What was the woman who gave me 

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God? 
That's why I ate of the tree. 

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So here's the three ways we 
desert God and we've been doing 

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this since the beginning as men 
and women are grouped into this 

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too. 
We desert God by sewing, we 

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deserve, We desert God by 
sinning, and we desert God by 

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shifting. 
So they sewed fig leaves. 

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Adam sins. 
He starts coming up with his own

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way to cover his sin. 
He starts coming up with his own

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work. 
This sewing, take these fig 

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leaves, cover up my nakedness. 
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He's hiding behind a work that 
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He's hiding behind this sewing 
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So my question is, what is your 
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What is the thing that you run 
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something that you've done? 
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you desert God by running to 
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activity of some sort, something
that you can do to keep yourself

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preoccupied to, you know, hide 
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God. 
What is your sowing that work 

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that you turn to? 
But in verse 8, what is your, 

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you know, the sin that you're 
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Notice it says that they run 
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It this is interesting. 
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trouble is that they went to a 
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And then in verse 8, it says 
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They hid themselves among the 
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So the thing that got in trouble
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to. 
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but that's just a picture of 
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We, we're distanced from God. 
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but then we keep running back to
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So the question is, what is your
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for? 
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You keep going back to thinking 
that, listen, they went to the 

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tree thinking that the tree will
give them something that God 

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won't give them. 
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trees, thinking that the trees 
can give them something that God

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can give them. 
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in God, in God's grace and his 
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his justice, but they chose to 
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So what are those other trees? 
What is that sin that you're 

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deserting God for? 
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and verse 12, when God 
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course, because you can't hide 
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know what's going on, What'd you
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And Adam's like, well, God, I 
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It's her fault. 
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Men desert God. 
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men have been blaming their 
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Well, my life would be different
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wife would My life would be 
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this. 
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We are the we are the leaders of
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How dare we shift the blame on 
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anyone. 
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something or we'll blame our 
next door neighbor for something

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just so that we can desert God. 
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God and we run away from God by 
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shifting the blame. 
So sowing, we desert God for our

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our sowing, our sin and our 
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But you know, when I play hide 
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noticed something. 
They can't hide from me. 

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It's just it's inevitable I'm 
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They snicker, they laugh, they 
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different things. 
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And what's interesting is the 
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are at hiding because the 
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Luke, for example, maybe not 
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out of this stage. 
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development called object 
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permanent in their mind if they 
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And so if they sit in the middle
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them, they think I'm hiding from
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Why? 
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If they can't see me, they think
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And we are like this in our 
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God. 
We lack God's permanence in our 

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life. 
Not that he's not permanent, but

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that we'd lack that he that that
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We lack a spiritual object 
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We think if I can't see God, God
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So if I hide behind this sewing 
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cover myself up with, if I hide 
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my sin, if I hide behind that, 
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Or if I hide in shifting the 
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I'm the one to blame. 
So we think because if we can't 

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see him, he doesn't see us. 
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does work for a short stint, 
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you know, SEW, we do forget 
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We get buried in our work. 
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God is on the, you know, 
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We don't think about him at all 
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But also on top of that, when 
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very easy to think that, you 
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what's in me if I'm always 
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onto this person. 
So again, if we can't see God, 

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we think he doesn't see us, but 
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It's inevitable He sees us. 
It's like my kids trying to hide

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from me in my own home. 
I will find them. 

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But look at verse the second 
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Because the women are not off 
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It says that many women were 
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distance. 
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they're distant. 
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that you see this in Scripture. 
1000 years before this, there's 

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a Psalm, Psalm 38, that's 
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that my friends and nearest kin 
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me. 
So the psalmist is saying, at my

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lowest when I needed help, I was
alone and rejected and deserted 

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and also distanced from his 
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distance themselves. 
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friends is going to come back 
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Now someone who is present and 
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Mary, Jesus's mom. 
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see the same account of the 
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And John is highlighting who was
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on the cross. 
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sayings of Jesus is when he 
says, woman, behold your son, 

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son, behold your mother. 
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beloved and he was saying, John,
can you please take care of my 

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mom when I'm gone? 
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definitely when he's gone to 
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also when he ascends into 
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Like, can you look out for my 
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Because it's the oldest son's 
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And he says, you know, I'm going
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her my Holy Spirit that's going 
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her. 
Mary was a Sinner who needed a 

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savior, just as you, just as me,
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Some huge heresy that the 
Catholics get wrong. 

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She needed a Savior and Jesus 
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But he is looking out for his 
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to go with John. 
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basically be like his mom. 
He, the Bible says in John 

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chapter 19 that John takes Mary 
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her. 
OK, so Mary is there and also 

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John is there. 
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cross. 
They're very close. 

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They were close. 
Are you close? 

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Where are you in this situation?
The women, the other women who 

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were present but distant, 
following in line with that 

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prophecy of of Psalms 38 verse 
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Why are they distant and how do 
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They're distant and women today 
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Women today, they're the first 
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They, they come to more Bible 
studies than men. 

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They church attendance. 
Historically, if you go to 

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websites like the Barna Group 
that looks at statistics on 

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church attendance and church 
correspondence today, you'll 

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find that women, especially more
so in the past, have vastly 

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outnumbered men in attendance. 
Women are they're, they're down 

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to show up, but are they 
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These women in this story, they 
showed up, but were they 

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present? 
No, they were they were present,

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but they were distant. 
Why? 

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This is not what they signed up 
for. 

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I mean, this was they've seen 
Jesus do miracles, feed the 

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5000. 
They've heard about his walking 

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on water. 
They weren't in the boat when it

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happened, but they they've seen 
Jesus heal people, lepers, the 

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lame, bring dead people back to 
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rose, the young lady, there was 
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Lazarus, they'd seen all of it. 
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they thought would happen now 
their Savior, their Lord, their 

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Messiah was on a cross. 
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were fearful and so they were 
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How do we see this today in our 
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Women can be present with 
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they're showing us OK, so if we 
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through our sin, through our 
shifting, women are distance 

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themselves from God because of 
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present at church, but it's a 
show their their lips honor God,

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but their hearts are far from 
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How many women in our church 
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immodesty, struggling with just 
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kind, smiling, wear the dress, 
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close to God. 
In their hearts they're present,

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but they're distant because 
we've been Women have been told 

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girls are made of sugar, spice, 
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This is all about what it means 
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You need to be smile and nod, 
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And women have fallen suit to 
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showiness. 
They're present, but they're 

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Well, we're going to get into 
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evidence of how they were 
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it says they had followed Jesus 
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What does that mean? 
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since day one, since he started 
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Galilee is where Jesus is from 
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Nazareth is that connected 
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Now not only that they were 
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in this verse means to wait upon
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or to help to host. 
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So Jesus was homeless, so he 
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place to place as they did 
ministry and the women would 

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join them and host them like go 
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them meals, make sure they had 
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Being with Jesus, being in his 
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You get to see Jesus, hear him 

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teach, you get to see him do 
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You get to see how the God in 
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talking to people, holding hands
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It was beautiful to hang around 
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he was on the cross? 
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They're present, but they're 
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Where was that same energy? 
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today's culture is it's, you 
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Is it all a show? 
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your mind or with your heart? 
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both. 
You know, if it's just your 

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heart, you're not putting 
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your mind, you're not putting 
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It was both. 
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Jesus in this scene? 
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They're distant and because of 
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present because you think about 
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Paul tells Timothy, a young 
pastor, Thank God for your mom 

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and your grandma who prayed over
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things of the faith. 
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there, you know. 
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of the church have deserted God,
but at least the women have been

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present. 
We're going to talk about why 

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that's important even in these 
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So women, we need you to show 
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show up too. 
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Among them were Mary Magdalene. 
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first time she's mentioned is 
Luke chapter 8 verse 2. 

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Luke chapter 8 verse 2. 
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demons in her and God delivered 
her. 

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Jesus delivered her. 
But she's also mentioned in Mark

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chapter 1540 through 41 at the 
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So in Mark's account, she's 
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then also in Mark's account, 
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where they laid the body of 
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Mark chapter 15, verse 47. 
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died. 
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She saw where Jesus was laid. 
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resurrection site. 
You know, she's one of the first

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people that speaks to Jesus and 
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Remember the time that Mary 
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and and then when Jesus says 
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teacher, it is you. 
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Magdalene is there the whole 
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This is Mary the mother of James
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56 of our main text today, 
Matthew 27. 

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Mary the mother of James and 
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Now this gets interesting 
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about this James, right, Mary 
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So we know this is not Salome. 
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James and John, right? 
Zebedee's wife, the sons of 

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Zebedee, sons of Thunder, Peter,
James and John. 

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They went with Jesus to more 
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went, like secret missions. 
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This is a different James. 
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called James the Less or James 
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less important than James, the 
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Zebedee, but because he was 
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possible younger. 
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Less. 
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Mary, just like Jesus's mom's 
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the letter of James. 
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and James. 
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And so this kind of gets 
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This is how we know it's real 
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No made-up fictional book author
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people the same name if he 
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wanted people to read his book. 
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line up and they're biblical and
they're historical and they're 

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accurate because of these little
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But Mary not to be confused with
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the mother of James and Joseph. 
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the first time we see this James
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James the Less had a brother 
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disciple. 
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10 verse three that James the 
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Alpheus. 
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Alpheus is Mary the mother of 
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And Alpheus and Clopas are the 
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Translation of the same Greek 
word the the different 

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translation of the same Greek 
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So Alpheus and Clopus are the 
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Also Cleopus is the same person 
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It's just a different way to 
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Why is that all important? 
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verse 13 through 35, we see 
Jesus risen from the dead 

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walking on the road to Emmaus 
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Cleopus or Clopus or Alpheus. 
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was a disciple, his dad hung out
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resurrected Lord and didn't know
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If you read that story and they 
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Jesus goes to Cleopas's house, 
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So the question is, was James 
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James the less. 
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'cause Mary was Cleopas's wife, 
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mom. 
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crucifixion, present but 
distant, but she was also having

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dinner with the risen Lord days 
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So this is heavy because there's
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century named Hagasipus. 
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Jesus lived, right? 
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Jesus died in around 33 AD. 
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hundreds. 
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year of our Lord. 
A no Damoni. 

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We base our calendar off of not 
when Buddha lived, not when 

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Joseph Smith lived, not when 
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We base our calendar off of when
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He is that influential, that 
important. 

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It's 2025 AD right now because 
of Jesus. 26 Sorry, 2026 because

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Jesus came 2026 years ago. 
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base our calendar for. 
That was transformative for me 

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when I first became a Christian.
This Jewish Christian from the 

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2nd century, Hagasipus is quoted
by Eusebus Eusebius or you? 

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Yeah, Eusebius is the father of 
church history and he comes 

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around in the 4th century and in
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from Caesarea not not to be 
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at the time in the 4th century. 
This Eusebius quotes Hagasipus 

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in saying what Clopas is the 
brother of Joseph, Jesus's dad. 

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So all throughout church 
history, we have seen that this 

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Clopas is Jesus's uncle on his 
dad's side. 

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So step uncle, right? 
Which means Mary, who was 

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present at the crucifixion, is 
Jesus's aunt and James their son

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Mary and Clopis's son James. 
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through marriage. 
So that means one of the 

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disciples, and there's more, 
we'll talk about it later. 

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One of the disciples was Jesus's
cousin through marriage. 

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You know, we know that John the 
Baptist was Jesus's cousin. 

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Biological was first cousin 
because Elizabeth and Mary were 

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cousins. 
But James the Less, one of the 

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James of the disciples, was also
Jesus's cousin. 

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So when Psalms 38 verse 11 says 
that my friends and my nearest 

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of kin have deserted me, that is
actually biblically accurate 

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because James the Less was not 
just Jesus's friend, meaning 

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they grew up together. 
They're cousins, but on top of 

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that he was Jesus's kin and they
deserted and he deserted Jesus 

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and so his aunt is their 
present, but there's another 

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woman that's present. 
This is look at verse 56, it 

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says Mary, the mother of James 
and Joseph and then the mother 

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of the sons of Zebedee. 
Now who is the mother of the 

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sons of Zebedee? 
We have to do a little Bible 

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study to find out who she is. 
And Mark chapter 15 verse 40, it

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says that Salome is present at 
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So who is Salome? 
Let's let's dig deeper. 

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Let's go to John's account. 
John chapter 19 verse 25. 

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We have the suspicion that the 
mother of the sons of Zebedee 

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and Salome could be the the same
person. 

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We have to study to show 
ourselves, approved to study a 

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little bit more to find out. 
John chapter 19 verse 25, which 

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we've mentioned before, it says 
all the people who are 

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mentioned. 
Let's go and read that together.

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John chapter 19 verse 25, it 
says that but standing by the 

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cross of Jesus were his mother, 
Mary his mother, his mother's 

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sister, Mary the wife of Clopas 
and Mary Magdalene. 

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Now historians have disputed 
this because look at where the 

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coma is. 
It says that Mary the mother of 

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Jesus was there, his mother's 
sister Comma, Mary the wife of 

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Clopas Comma and Mary Magdalene.
So is Mary's sister Mary the 

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wife of Clopas? 
Or is Mary's sister Salome? 

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You see what I'm saying? 
So both of them are aunts and 

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I'll explain how. 
But which one is it? 

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Many, many commentators and 
historians have dug deeper and 

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decided that Mary's sister, 
although not named, is Salome 

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and Mary the the mother of 
Clopas. 

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It's a different aunt right 
through marriage on Joseph's 

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side, but Siloam and Mary are 
sisters most likely. 

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We can't know with 100% 
certainty, but I would argue 

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that that is what it is. 
Here's why. 

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In Matthew chapter 20, verses 20
through 21, Siloam comes up to 

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Jesus and says, can James and 
John, my kids, the sons of 

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Zebedee, can they sit on your 
right hand and your left when 

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you come into your Kingdom? 
So that is an outrageous thing 

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for her to ask if James and John
are just like disciples, just 

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00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,880
disciples. 
Where does she get the backbone 

450
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,480
to ask a question like this? 
And so Jesus is like, you don't 

451
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,560
even know the cup of suffering 
I'm going to have to drink from.

452
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,000
Now at the crucifixion, she sees
the cup of suffering. 

453
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:55,280
She sees exactly why Jesus said 
no, because they would not be 

454
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,800
able to do what Jesus did to get
that throne, to lay down his 

455
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,520
life like that. 
So now she's like humbled by 

456
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,800
that. 
But again, let's look at her 

457
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,720
claim and her ask. 
That is a big ask, but it's not 

458
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,160
that big if she's Jesus's aunt. 
It's not that big if she's seen 

459
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,760
Jesus in diapers. 
It's not that big if she's 

460
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,800
changed Jesus's diapers. 
It's not that big if Jesus was 

461
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,840
there when James and John his 
first cousins were born. 

462
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:33,040
If in John chapter 19 verse 25 
by saying Mary was there, Mary's

463
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,680
sister was there, Mary the 
Cloepis was there, you can see 

464
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,920
why John wouldn't want to put 
Mary, Mary, Mary or I'm sorry 

465
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,920
Mary. 
He didn't want to confuse it all

466
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,440
so he just puts Mary's sister 
Salome. 

467
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,680
If that's true then that means 
James and John the sons of 

468
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,160
Zebedee were Jesus first cousins
which means they. 

469
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,000
This also explains this six 
times in the book of John. 

470
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,400
John refers to himself, right? 
In the Gospel of John, he refers

471
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,720
to himself as the disciple whom 
Jesus loved. 

472
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:11,080
Again, that would sound very 
arrogant to to pit himself 

473
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,080
against all the other disciples 
if he wasn't actually Jesus's 

474
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:23,120
best friend, if they weren't 
childhood friends, first cousins

475
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,080
who have gone all throughout 
their life with them. 

476
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:32,280
It also explains how quickly 
they are to leave their dad when

477
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Jesus calls them to be 
disciples. 

478
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,920
It was a matter of, oh, hey, 
dad, Jesus, your nephew, 

479
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,720
remember how like perfect he was
all the time? 

480
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,520
Remember how like wise he was 
when we're at dinner and he 

481
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,720
would just say stuff that was 
like, so beyond his ears? 

482
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Remember that time he was 12 and
he was preaching in the in the 

483
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,800
temple? 
Yeah, that Jesus, he's actually 

484
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,960
going to become a rabbi, and we 
love him like we're going to 

485
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,560
follow him. 
What would Zebedee say? 

486
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,440
Of course. 
Go ahead. 

487
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520
I love Jesus. 
It's an honor. 

488
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,520
We have a rabbi in our family. 
It's a huge honor in the 1st 

489
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,720
century. 
So it explains so much how 

490
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,520
Salome would be the blood aunt 
of Jesus. 

491
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,480
But still, she's distant and 
present. 

492
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,960
I mean, she's present but 
distant. 

493
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,440
So even being blood related, 
even being nearest of kin is not

494
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,960
enough for them to be near in 
heart and in mind to the Lord. 

495
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,600
So where is the redemption of 
this? 

496
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,000
Well, eventually the men stopped
hiding. 

497
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Eventually the men stopped 
deserting Jesus. 

498
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,480
They never deserted Jesus this 
bad ever again. 

499
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,520
They're there at Pentecost. 
They're there in the in the book

500
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,760
of Acts. 
They, they stopped deserting. 

501
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,560
Why, how, how do we as men stop 
deserting Jesus? 

502
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:06,320
Well, we have to see that Jesus 
never deserted God and yet he 

503
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:12,840
was deserted on the cross. 
So we would see that God would 

504
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:20,920
never desert us and also see 
that even that he took our 

505
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,440
punishment so we could be with 
God. 

506
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,920
So Jesus was deserted by the 
Father, even though he never 

507
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,400
deserted the Father. 
So the Father would not have to,

508
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,680
in his justice desert us because
God is just because he is good, 

509
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,640
He is right and and He would be 
right in deserting us. 

510
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,200
But because because God is 
loving and and perfect and and 

511
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,520
honest and merciful, he comes up
with a plan with the Son in 

512
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:59,080
cahoots with the sun to save us.
So Jesus vindicating the justice

513
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,000
of God and satisfying the love 
of God, is deserted by the 

514
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,880
Father on the cross for those 
three hours that we talked 

515
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,400
about. 
And an infinite amount of wrath 

516
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,320
fell on him in that moment, so 
it wouldn't have to fall on you.

517
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,000
The men eventually saw that it 
clicked for them and that's what

518
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,600
changed them. 
That knowledge of who God is 

519
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,840
change them forever. 
And they never deserted God like

520
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,440
this again. 
They still made mistakes. 

521
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,760
We still, we see Peter make 
mistakes and Paul has to call 

522
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,720
him out. 
There's mistakes that are made, 

523
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,640
but they never desert God like 
this again. 

524
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,240
And when you really get saved, 
when you really get transformed 

525
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,360
and you really start following 
him, you never desert God the 

526
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,000
way that you used to desert him.
Now look at the women. 

527
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,560
The women actually carry the 
witness and they eventually 

528
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,360
stopped being distant. 
What I mean by that is Matthew 

529
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,120
wasn't there when he was writing
about this. 

530
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880
He's with the other boys that 
have deserted Jesus. 

531
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,440
So how does he get this account?
Mary, Mary Magdalene, Mary, the 

532
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:08,320
mother of James and Joseph 
Cloepis's wife, but also Salome 

533
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,280
there. 
These women are present at the 

534
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,560
crucifixion. 
Some of them are present at the 

535
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,400
resurrection. 
They carry the witness. 

536
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,520
Now this goes from being a group
of women who are practicing 

537
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,080
their showiness and just being a
part of the scene to a group of 

538
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,880
women who are willing to stand 
up and speak even if their life 

539
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,600
is on the line. 
Listen, for a woman to stand up 

540
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,920
and say no, I saw him raise, 
could have got her killed. 

541
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,080
For a woman to go against a 
man's witness and say, no, you 

542
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920
think he's dead, I know he's 
alive, could have got them 

543
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,400
killed. 
So at some point it stopped 

544
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,720
being about being present but 
distant. 

545
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,920
At some point it stopped being 
about just putting on a show and

546
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,720
and going through the motions 
and lip service. 

547
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:09,080
At some point it stopped how 
they saw Jesus was always 

548
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,320
present, and yet he never 
distanced himself from God. 

549
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,320
With every person, every kid, 
every girl, every man, every 

550
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,120
woman, every boy, everyone he 
talked to, he was completely 

551
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,000
present. 
And he never distanced himself 

552
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,640
with God. 
He always pursued God and would 

553
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,880
often go off and pray to the 
Father. 

554
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,760
And even though Jesus was like 
that all the time on the cross, 

555
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,720
the Father is not present. 
On the cross, the Father 

556
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,560
distance himself from Jesus. 
The Father's wrath is present, 

557
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,920
but this, this closeness to 
Jesus is not present. 

558
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,600
He's distanced from God on the 
cross not because he deserved 

559
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,280
it, but because we deserved it. 
When they saw that, it stopped 

560
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960
being about a show to them. 
It stopped being about lip 

561
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,960
service and start started being 
about ultimate devotion and 

562
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,320
love. 
And even a sliver of that is 

563
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,320
present. 
And that's why they're present 

564
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,560
and not distant. 
And thank God for that sliver 

565
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,239
because we have the gospel 
account and the witness because 

566
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,280
of these women. 
And John, I'll end with this. 

567
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,199
In Genesis chapter 3, verse 21, 
it says that God clothes Adam 

568
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:32,360
and Eve after they desert God, 
after they distance themselves 

569
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,639
from God, God clothes them. 
It's the first Euan Gellion, the

570
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:40,840
first gospel where it says that 
God killed a lamb and use the 

571
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,000
wool to cover them, cover their 
nakedness to give them clothes. 

572
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,760
So God clothes them. 
That's our redemption story, 

573
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,320
that when we desert and distance
ourselves from God, he's still 

574
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,440
clothed us. 
He's still he. 

575
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,720
You are still clothed in the 
righteousness of Christ. 

576
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,880
But not only that, right after 
that, in Genesis chapter 322 

577
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,360
through 24, it shows us that God
drove them out of the garden and

578
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,760
then put a flaming sword there 
to make sure that they don't go 

579
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,880
back in and eat of the tree of 
the knowledge of good and evil. 

580
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,840
Why? 
If they ate of the tree of life,

581
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,360
I'm sorry. 
Make sure they didn't get into 

582
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,200
the tree of life. 
They already ate from the tree 

583
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,160
of knowledge, good and evil. 
They're already in sin. 

584
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,440
But they ate of the if they ate 
of the tree of life, they would 

585
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,720
be stuck in their sin forever. 
And that is hell. 

586
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,720
Eternal sin is hell. 
And so he drove them out. 

587
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:34,320
It's not a, it's not a gentle 
suggestion. 

588
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,080
He drove them out. 
He forcefully pushed them out to

589
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,960
protect them. 
Seeing what this would do to 

590
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:49,320
them, he drove them out. 
God in Christ has driven you out

591
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,160
of your old life, driven you out
of hell, driven you out of your 

592
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,640
sin. 
Why it wasn't a suggestion. 

593
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,240
He's not suggesting. 
Please come to me. 

594
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,200
Just think about, just consider 
when Jesus says come to me, 

595
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,960
that's an effectual call. 
He's saying those whom God has 

596
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000
chosen and elected, they will 
come to me because God is 

597
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,680
driving them out of their old 
lives, driving them out of sin, 

598
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,240
eternal punishment, eternal 
hell. 

599
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,560
They do not have a choice and at
the same time they have a 

600
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,560
choice. 
It's kind of paradoxical, but 

601
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,520
the point is, thank God that 
when like us, like our father 

602
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,760
and mother, Adam and Eve, we 
would have went back into the 

603
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,040
garden and kept eating of the 
tree of life and been stuck in 

604
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,200
our sin forever. 
We know we would have, we would 

605
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,840
have stayed the way that we were
deserting him and dissing 

606
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,400
themselves, dissing ourselves. 
But thank God in Christ and 

607
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
praise be to God that he drove 
us out of that to protect us. 

608
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,720
When you really see this, like 
the men and women in our 

609
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:48,680
crucifixion story today, when 
you see this, you'll stop 

610
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,760
deserting God. 
You'll realize I can't desert 

611
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,200
God. 
I can't distance myself from 

612
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,160
God. 
What can separate me from the 

613
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,880
love of God in Christ Jesus? 
What distance could have come 

614
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,680
between me and God in Christ? 
Absolutely none. 

615
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:13,400
How could I outrun God? 
How could I desert the one who 

616
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,640
made the Sahara Desert? 
How could I? 

617
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,080
I can't. 
This was bigger than them. 

618
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,560
All the disciples who deserted 
Jesus, all the the women who 

619
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,600
were present but distant. 
It was bigger than them. 

620
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,240
Christ knew. 
He knew way back in Psalms 38 

621
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,480
verse 11 when He was speaking 
through the psalmist that this 

622
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,360
would happen. 
He knew it was plan A, not Plan 

623
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,640
B. 
He knew what it would take to 

624
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,200
close that distance to refresh 
that desert between US and God. 

625
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,000
And He willingly did it because 
of how much He loves us when the

626
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,840
men and women in our story saw 
that love and everyone back to 

627
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,320
the way they used to live. 
Let's pray. 

628
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,720
Father, we thank you so much for
how you've spoken through your 

629
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,880
word, even this these two verses
that are jam packed with so much

630
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,400
history, so much knowledge of 
your intricate design and 

631
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,520
calling people to be a part of 
your story. 

632
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,880
And we're just like those people
in the story. 

633
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,920
Although not hardly as 
significant as them in their 

634
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,200
role, You still love us just as 
much as you love them. 

635
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,320
You love all of us like 
Augustine says you love us all 

636
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,800
as if we were one. 
And Lord, you, you call see a 

637
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,360
part of your story just like 
these people in our in our story

638
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,360
today. 
And we pray that we would not 

639
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,880
try to distance ourselves that 
we've no longer desert you, 

640
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,640
Lord, because you are much 
greater and bigger than that. 

641
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,040
And we love you and we thank you
and your name, we pray. 

642
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,240
Amen, Amen. 
This is the part of the episode 

643
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,360
called After the Amen where we 
ask you a question to help apply

644
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,360
this message to your life. 
Our question for you today is 

645
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,880
how are you deserting or 
distancing? 

646
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,480
How are you deserting or 
distancing yourself from God? 

647
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,800
I'll answer 1st and then it's 
your turn. 

648
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:05,200
I first, I just have to say 
like, This is why preaching is 

649
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,640
so important. 
And I think, and it is a 

650
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:13,040
spiritual gift and it's we're so
grateful you're here with us, of

651
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,840
course, listening to this 
podcast. 

652
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,520
And Alex says like just 
dedication to studying the text.

653
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,240
And yeah, that you're able to 
hear the word preached through 

654
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,480
that study. 
And This is why we also believe 

655
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:38,080
it's so important to sit under a
biblically sound pastor who 

656
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,560
preaches the word of God and 
shows the study, shows himself 

657
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,240
approved through his study. 
Because I think like if you just

658
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:51,960
quickly read over this, you 
wouldn't capture all of those 

659
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,120
things, you know, and we're 
supposed to study the word for 

660
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,600
ourself as well. 
But there's just also a 

661
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,280
spiritual gift, you know, that 
really opens up the text and 

662
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,360
helps you really understand and 
applies things. 

663
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,240
And it's just a beautiful gift. 
And so just wanted to say that 

664
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,040
first to reference everything 
but. 

665
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Yeah, I think, yeah, it was just
so good and so spot on. 

666
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,320
And I totally, I love how you're
saying like what? 

667
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,640
Once you've truly experienced, 
like his saving grace, like you,

668
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,400
you cannot desert or distance 
him again. 

669
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,800
And I think, of course, in our 
flesh, there's little things 

670
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:36,000
that we do, but ultimately he 
draws us back just like he drove

671
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,320
him out of the garden, like you 
were saying. 

672
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:44,920
And I, yeah, I think it's just, 
it's similar. 

673
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,200
I, I think what really stood out
to me was like what you had 

674
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,600
brought up and what I was also 
just like recognizing too, 

675
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,880
before you brought it up while 
you're preaching was just like 

676
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:00,440
them being a part of his 
ministry since they want the 

677
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,920
women being a part of his 
ministry since day one, like 

678
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,000
ministering to him. 
And I was thinking the same 

679
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,280
thing. 
Like it's like when it's good or

680
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,200
when things are exciting, it's 
fun to minister. 

681
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,960
It's fun to serve. 
It's fun to be a part of like 

682
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,800
whatever's going on at the 
church or whatever, you know, 

683
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,520
we're doing in the name of the 
Lord. 

684
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:25,000
But like when things are bloody 
and messy and hard, like where 

685
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,640
are we going to be? 
Like? 

686
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,760
Are we going to have that same 
devotion and commitment or we're

687
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,040
going to distance ourselves? 
And I think it's really cool 

688
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:42,760
that how you were saying that 
Mary and like Mary Jesus mother 

689
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:51,240
got to be specific in this 
section and John were like 

690
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:57,320
present, like the present and 
present, like there and fully 

691
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,160
present as well. 
Like they were near. 

692
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:07,160
And so I think that's cool 
because like you see just in 

693
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,800
their stories in ushering in 
Christ, like Mary becoming a 

694
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,520
virgin before, while she's, you 
know, very married, not becoming

695
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,800
a virgin, marry a virgin, 
becoming a mom before she's 

696
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,520
married. 
Everyone knows she's engaged to 

697
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,800
be married. 
And the hard task that is like 

698
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,320
people are not going to believe 
me, like they're not going to 

699
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,400
believe. 
But she bought with that for a 

700
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,960
second, but she submitted to it 
when she had that encounter with

701
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Angel. 
And like the same thing with 

702
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,040
John, like he's like he chose to
live just very differently. 

703
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:48,560
It's just so crazy, like like 
they like people who truly 

704
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:54,360
experienced the fullness of just
who Jesus is. 

705
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,240
Like they really knew him. 
They weren't just related to 

706
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,160
him. 
Like they weren't just because 

707
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,480
there's what we see other 
relatives in the story too, who 

708
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,240
are at a distance, but like it 
wasn't just their relationship, 

709
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:13,240
like their relative relationship
with Christ, but like they 

710
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,320
really knew him. 
They knew who he was and they 

711
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,840
believed like what God revealed.
And so I think that is so 

712
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,680
beautiful. 
And it's like what you're 

713
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,920
saying, just like when we truly 
have been transformed by the 

714
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,440
gospel, like we, we won't 
distance or desert ourselves 

715
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,560
because it doesn't matter if 
it's like the hardest, you're in

716
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,640
the thick of the hardest type of
ministry or just hardest season 

717
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:46,560
of suffering as a Christian. 
Like we don't just show up when 

718
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,160
things are fun and exciting and 
we're getting praised or we're 

719
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,280
getting recognition for how 
we're serving or what we're 

720
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,800
doing or whatever. 
Like we just keep showing up 

721
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,640
because we know we believe and 
we know Jesus. 

722
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,920
Yeah. 
And so I think, yeah, I can 

723
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,200
definitely in my flesh try to 
deserve a distance. 

724
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,160
But it is true like, like it's 
his work and it's his work still

725
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,600
working in me now. 
So it was his work to save me. 

726
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,920
And it's still his work drawing 
me back in when I'm like, oh, I 

727
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,120
got to like I shared kind of 
last week ago. 

728
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,880
I got to, like, distance myself 
a little bit to clean up or to 

729
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,920
distract from maybe shame or to 
just even figure out why maybe 

730
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,240
other people are not treating me
well, you know, like it. 

731
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,960
That must be a God's like view. 
But he always brings me back and

732
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,160
reveals the truth. 
And it's just, like, once again,

733
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,720
we have nothing to do with it. 
Like, we all gore goes to him, 

734
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,480
you know, And so it's so. 
But yeah, this is just 

735
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,120
thrilling. 
Yeah. 

736
00:44:55,120 --> 00:45:00,080
It's, it's crazy that like one 
thing that John Piper talks 

737
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,360
about and Dane Ortland and many 
others, that Christianity is the

738
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,720
happiest religion and it's own. 
I like what Dane Ortland calls 

739
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:09,560
it. 
He says it's almost 

740
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,200
embarrassingly happy. 
It's almost like embarrassing 

741
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,200
how happy we can be because of 
the gospel. 

742
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,960
You know, it's growing up 
evangelical in the church. 

743
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,280
It would have been so easy to 
end this sermon like you need to

744
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,000
close the gap between you and 
God. 

745
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,880
You need to stop deserting God. 
You need to stop distancing 

746
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,520
yourself from God. 
And that is how this type, these

747
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,680
type of messages are really 
often preached. 

748
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,960
And they're effective because 
then people leave with this 

749
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,480
condemnation and shame and 
they're like, I got to do 

750
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,320
better, OK, I'm signing up for a
ministry. 

751
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,760
I'm going to start giving more. 
I'm going to stop doing this and

752
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,440
stop doing that. 
And and while all that is 

753
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,720
important, your motive behind it
is huge, very important. 

754
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,200
If you're doing it because you 
think God will be happy with you

755
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,040
if you do it, then you shouldn't
do it. 

756
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,360
If you're doing it because you 
know God is already happy with 

757
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,240
you and you have the time 
outside of your responsibilities

758
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,560
of taking care of your family 
and taking care of your own 

759
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,720
relationship with the Lord and 
all that kind of stuff, your own

760
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:24,080
job that you have to afford. 
Like if you have time for it, 

761
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,120
then sure, do it. 
But like you said, it has 

762
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,400
nothing to do with us being able
to close that gap. 

763
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,080
We can't like an overflow of 
gratitude. 

764
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

765
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,600
What were we saying? 
Oh, I just said it's out of it. 

766
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,080
Like overflow of gratitude for 
what he's done. 

767
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,560
That's why we serve. 
Not because we think we have so 

768
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,240
much to offer the world or we're
trying to win his favor. 

769
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,000
It's just, it's just crazy that 
like we, like you said, we 

770
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,120
desert God, we distance 
ourselves, but then we also 

771
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,720
can't, we can't like how can a 
kid distance themselves 

772
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,560
ultimately forever from their 
father if their father is just 

773
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,240
loving, good and beautiful 
father? 

774
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,600
What we see is the kids always 
come back. 

775
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,040
They may have their teenage 
years or whatever, but they come

776
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,560
back. 
Look at the the story of the 

777
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,560
prodigal son. 
You know, the father was just 

778
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,840
too good. 
So the son came back, the 

779
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,960
father's love, even out in a 
distant land was still drawing 

780
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,200
that that young man back to his 
home and it and it worked. 

781
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,320
And so it is with us. 
We always come back to him 

782
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
because of how good he is and 
he's greater than us. 

783
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,720
His riches and mercy and grace 
and his love is so much bigger 

784
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,200
than any kind of deserting or 
distancing or sin that we find 

785
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,360
ourselves in our fig leaves we 
try to sew together. 

786
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,320
So it's just really encouraging.
And then I read Peter this 

787
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,040
morning. 
Peter was saying, Peter says 

788
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,480
this phrase more than once in 
his in his two letters that he 

789
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,200
sends out to these exiles, these
Christians scattered all along 

790
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,560
the 1st century. 
He says, may you grow in the 

791
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,720
grace of and knowledge of Jesus 
Christ. 

792
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,480
And he always comes back to 
that, that the the thing that is

793
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,160
most important for them to do is
to grow in the grace and the 

794
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,960
knowledge of Jesus Christ. 
Now you might be saying, how is 

795
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,400
that possible for them if they 
didn't have a Bible? 

796
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,120
Like we have a Bible and not 
only that, we have Bibles with 

797
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,480
numbers. 
You know, there's a lot of 

798
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,760
people who had handwritten 
Bibles in the 5th, 6th, 7th 

799
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,040
century didn't have numbers. 
We have this beautiful numbering

800
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,440
system where it's Matthew 27 
verse 55. 

801
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,680
You know, we that's nice. 
So we can look up individual 

802
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,280
stuff. 
They didn't have any of that. 

803
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,800
All they had was Paul's letters.
And if you read the second 

804
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,720
letter of Peter, Peter actually 
likens Paul's letters to 

805
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:47,040
scripture. 
He says that people get reject 

806
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:52,160
Paul's letters or misconstrue 
Paul's letters as they do other 

807
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,400
scriptures. 
So he's, he knows Paul is 

808
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,600
writing and speaking the words 
of God because Paul is an 

809
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:05,040
apostle called by the risen Lord
Jesus, which is a the physical 

810
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,360
risen Lord Jesus, which is a 
criteria of being a, an apostle 

811
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,720
called by the physical Lord. 
And so not because you had a 

812
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:16,960
dream and you're an apostle now 
or whatever God physical form 

813
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,840
Jesus called you. 
And so Peter's like Paul's words

814
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,320
are scripture. 
And so it's just that's all they

815
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,040
had was these letters, but they 
didn't have as much as we had. 

816
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,520
So what does that mean? 
That means if you are struggling

817
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,960
to read the Bible, you know, as 
I talked to young, young people 

818
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,880
at our church who grew up in 
Hawaii and there's terrible 

819
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,560
education system here and 
they're just like, I struggle so

820
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,920
much to read the Bible. 
I understand. 

821
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,720
But know that the first, the 
first Christians, a lot of them 

822
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,480
didn't have Bibles. 
And if they do did, there was 

823
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,800
one book at a time. 
They didn't have the full thing.

824
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,200
And so an education was even 
worse back then. 

825
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,040
And so the grace and the 
knowledge of Lord Jesus, how do 

826
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,440
we grow in it? 
Reliance on the Holy Spirit. 

827
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,280
The Holy Spirit can speak God's 
truth to your heart. 

828
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,720
He does. 
Distant islands where people 

829
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,680
have no connection to the real, 
the the modern world. 

830
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,560
They meet God without a Bible. 
So does that mean we should just

831
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,040
not read our Bibles? 
Of course not. 

832
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:20,160
If you have such a great 
resource in your lap, in your 

833
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,920
chapter or in your library, then
take advantage of it. 

834
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,320
Read His word, it's sharper than
any 2 edged sword. 

835
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,360
It'll transform you. 
How dare we those who can read 

836
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,840
even if we only know 10 words? 
How dare we not try to find 

837
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,840
those 10 words in scripture if 
we've been given this absolute 

838
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,880
treasure. 
But at the same time, if you are

839
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,920
completely illiterate and blind 
and can't read, God is much 

840
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,760
bigger than your shortcomings. 
And so we rely on God when we 

841
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,920
open up Scripture. 
If we are without a time of 

842
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,560
intense Bible reading it or a 
season of that, we still rely on

843
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,440
God and his Holy Spirit to to 
help us grow and the grace and 

844
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,040
the knowledge of Jesus Christ. 
And so because I read that right

845
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,080
before I started studying and 
preparing the last finish 

846
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,640
touches on the message, I was 
like, you know what, I'm going 

847
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,680
to throw all this family tree 
stuff in because it, it may seem

848
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,800
obscure, but it's important that
we see that three of the 

849
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,920
disciples were Jesus's cousins, 
2 by blood, one by marriage. 

850
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,440
That's so important because I 
just give us a rich history of 

851
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,840
who these apostles are, who 
Christ was, that he was a real 

852
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:39,000
living 1st century Jewish male 
with cousins that he fished 

853
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,320
with, that he walked with, that 
he hung out with, that he went 

854
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,760
through puberty with. 
This is a real 100% man all at 

855
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,520
the same time. 
They followed him and gave their

856
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,680
lives to him because he was also
100% God. 

857
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,400
And that's huge just for our 
image of who our Savior is. 

858
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,320
So glad you guys got to learned 
some of that. 

859
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,320
Some of you guys might have 
known that already, but we love 

860
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,480
you guys. 
Thanks for being here. 

861
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,200
I would not be able to have this
time of extensive study and week

862
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,880
in and week out writing these 
sermons and doing this in 

863
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:17,600
detailifitwasntforyougiving@amenpodcast.com.
So the way pastors and priests 

864
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,840
have always made a living, some 
more successful than others. 

865
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,280
Some have to do it by 
vocationally or God forbid, try 

866
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,640
vocationally, meaning they have 
to work other jobs outside of 

867
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,160
their ministry. 
But since the institution of the

868
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,760
Tabernacle and the temple in the
Old Testament, it has been God's

869
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,840
plan that those who minister are
taken care of by the people 

870
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,600
they're ministering to. 
And that very much is our story.

871
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,800
You know, since AIM and podcast 
really started to grow, I 

872
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,120
haven't had to work another job.
And that allows me to do this 

873
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,760
full time. 
It also allows me to be present 

874
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,080
with my family and not distant, 
you know. 

875
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,600
And then also we can do house 
church. 

876
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,440
And house church is very small. 
And so even if you know, yeah, 

877
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,560
house Church is just a little 
small thing we do on the side, 

878
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,560
but that all the money for that 
goes back into house church. 

879
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,440
And so this is very much our job
and we can't do it without you. 

880
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,880
And we have some really good 
things planned for this podcast 

881
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,080
to bring you to allow you to 
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882
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:24,320
further in into what we do here 
at Ayman Podcast and at House 

883
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,600
Church. 
And we're going to meet about 

884
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,560
that today after this. 
And so we're excited about that.

885
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,240
But we love you guys so much. 
You can also rate and review 

886
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887
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Also, if you want to rate and 

888
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:44,960
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there's a house church podcast. 

889
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,480
If you're on Spotify, you can go
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890
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You can rate and review that. 
It's essentially these messages,

892
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You can rate and review an Apple

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podcast. 

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You can also like and subscribe 
to the house Church YouTube 

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channel. 
Those are all great ways to 

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support us. 
And and last but not least, 

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following us on Instagram to 
keep up with little quotes and 

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snippets from the message that 
may encourage you or you may 

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want to post in your story and 
encourage your community. 

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It's a good way for people to 
get introduced to Amen podcast. 

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So that's a lot of help. 
And yeah, you can find all that 

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kind of stuff at amenpodcast.com
or in the description. 

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And with that said, we love you 
guys and we'll see you in the 

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next one. 
Until then, go out and be the 

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church. 
Amen.

