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So Microsoft products, they are 
the bane of everyone's existence

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at work. 
And that work also includes 

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astronauts going to the moon. 
OK, so did you see this leak 

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story about Claude code? 
So do I just have Claude's LLM 

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now or what? 
Not quite, but let's understand 

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what actually happened. 
So your cat could be the key for

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Cancer Research in humans. 
Very interesting project. 

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Hail Mary. 
Everyone's complaining about the

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centrifuge scene. 
I think there's something even 

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deeper that's wrong. 
Hello Internet, this is your 

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captain's speaking, Lester 
Naray, joined as always by my Co

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host and our resident PhD, 
Krishna Chowdhury. 

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Welcome back to another rundown 
episode where we're going to 

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just cover 5 new both science 
and tech stories this week, just

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at a super high level and we 
have some some interesting 

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stories to cover. 
We're going to start off with 

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the Artemis launch that took off
yesterday after several delays. 

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It was on April 1st, but this is
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It definitely did take off. 
We're going to follow that up 

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with the very viral leak story 
about Claude, the anthropic 

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model leaking. 
Oh my God, does this mean we get

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to use AI for free? 
We're going to talk about what 

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exactly happened, why there's 
some interesting subtle details 

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about what actually transpired 
with the Claude leak that 

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happened earlier this week. 
There's a major new science 

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paper that suggests that cats 
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world models for sort of 
studying cancer in humans for an

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interesting reason about 
location. 

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There's a trend you're might be 
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have another leak story about an
iPhone spyware tool, two of them

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actually that have leaked onto 
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And this is sort of this trend 
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spyware tools now becoming more 
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What does it mean for you if 
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And we will then wrap up with a 
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Project Hail Mary, the ultra 
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featuring Ryan Gosling. 
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the movie, which we both saw 
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We're going to cover some 
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related to the science and 1st 
principles, because this is from

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first principles. 
So yesterday NASA launched 

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Artemis 2, the first crude 
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We've got our trusty Lego built 
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System here that we built out of
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By we, I mean Lester did all the
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credit for it because that is 
our dynamic right? 

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As as friends. 
Anyways, launch date April 1st, 

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2026. 
On April Fools, the launch 

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window opened up. 
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the right spot, so you know you 
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It's the first crude mission of 
the Artemis system. 

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They tested the SLS rocket and 
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as we are taping this, this is 
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They have already completed 
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they've done that high 
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little bit far away from the 
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systems. 
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and if everything goes well, 
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they are going to go to the 
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They're going to put their 
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the way to the moon. 
I'm really excited. 

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The crew, 4 veterans of space, 
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veterans of space travel and 1 
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The three veterans are Reed 
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Christina Koch from NASA, and 
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the Canadian space. 
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Can you imagine? 
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It is his first time in space 
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moon. 
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What a lucky guy, you know. 
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through some of the graphics of 
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to go to the moon, because I 
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exercise in orbital dynamics 
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graphic, this is from NASA, 
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does that, apogee rays burn and 
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and goes to the moon. 
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moon, slingshot around and then 
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What I like about this is this 
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OK, so the moon is orbiting 
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going to the moon and back, 
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too much because we can go in 
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this is revolving around the 
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So we can, you know, do that 
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looks like it to me when you 
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Artemis is going there, and then
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work to turn the spacecraft 
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Earth, right? 
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position. 
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the moon, and you can see now 
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slightly deflected. 
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that much work. 
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two camera angles? 
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like slingshotted it back. 
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there's just a tiny bit 
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Artemis is going towards the 
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then it launches towards the 
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When it does that, it does that 
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off its engines. 
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the Earth. 
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up, and that baseball is going 
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but it's going to keep falling 
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because the Earth keeps pulling 
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So if the moon wasn't there, 
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the moon, go our way over the 
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back to Earth because Artemis 
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from the Earth gravitational 
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perspective now you see why the 
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deflection is enough to do that 
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Earth this whole time. 
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like nudging it a little bit 
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It's kind of an interesting way 
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space. 
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It's like Artemis would still 
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slingshot, you know, just a tiny
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this previously that the launch 
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So the, the first major question
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on every NASA account is, oh, 
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but why aren't we landing? 
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cover at length in the long 
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helpful just to briefly 
summarize again, we we did 

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Apollo in the 60s. 
We have not done anything 

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similar. 
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bring up is that low Earth orbit
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distances, yeah, are are just 
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Different. 
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We've got 200,000 miles to the 
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100 miles tops. 
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So it's just these are just 
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Yeah, like several orders of 
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Right. 
You can run if you can be good 

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at a 5K. 
That doesn't mean you're going 

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to be good at an ultra marathon.
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training. 
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mechanics, all these things and 
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Like it's like a 400 meter 
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Right. 
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Right. 
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So pretty insane. 
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reason why, again, we're not 
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up when we did the long form 
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Cowboys, the football team, and 
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decades ago, yeah, that doesn't 
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Bowls today. 
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personnel, different coaching, 
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and knowledge is lost when you 
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with the same training staff, 
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coordinators, and you're able to
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you have decades that go past. 
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tools. 
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did several of these exact same 
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sure we can get into lower, then
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into the orbit of the moon, but 
always coming back before we 

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ultimately landed the Rover. 
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that landing spot while we 
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systems, a new gaffer coach, a 
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point with Apollo, right, Apollo
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and never landed, right, Because
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the back of the moon because 
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spot about where to land for 
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Artemis 3. 
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Chinese are doing on the dark 
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see. 
Right from Earth. 

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Yeah, A. 
Little NASA security just to 

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linger on that point, actually 
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right, One of the big things is 
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around the moon and see that 
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seen by astronauts in a very 
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taping of this episode. 
So Thursday, April second, one 

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day after the launch, the moon 
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The moon has a full moon in the 
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But what that means is the dark 
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dark. 
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be a, a waning gibbous, which 
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know, 70% of the moon is going 
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But when they get to the other 
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be like pretty dark. 
There's going to be a line, 

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though, where they're going to 
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The moon is going to be kind of 
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going to be lit up by the sun, 
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dark. 
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like, why shouldn't you time it 
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That way the dark side of the 
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I looked it up. 
It's pretty clever timing that 

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they've done. 
The reason is, if you've ever 

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been to the Grand Canyon, have 
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Not OK, but you definitely 
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It's one of the greatest places 
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But if you go to the Grand 
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taken at sunrise and sunset. 
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Because they're shadows, and 
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the Canyon. 
That's actually. 

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overhead, the photos don't look 
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that contrast between shadows, 
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topographically the terrain that
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dark, because that's when we can
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a parking spot, the the being 
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surface looks like, yeah, 
matters. 

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And this is a more ideal 
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Exactly. 
So in three days, when they get 

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there, there's actually going to
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They're going to see a Crescent 
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they can really see craters and 
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well. 
So I thought that was really 

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cool. 
The final thing that I wanted to

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talk about was the problems that
they've been having. 

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I think their toilet broke, but 
I think they fixed it. 

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So that's good because that 
would that would be definitely I

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want to go home, right. 
I don't I like the moon. 

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I the moon is great, but like 
yo, the toilet is broken. 

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Come on. 
No, I want to. 

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Go home. 
That's tough. 

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I want to go home. 
That's tough. 

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When that happens at an Airbnb, 
I get a hotel. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Right. 

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I'm not staying and then I will 
I will just I will, you know, 

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petition Airbnb for a discount 
and or whatever later. 

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So they fixed the toilet. 
So that's good. 

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The next thing that broke 
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applications. 
So astronauts just like us use 

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Microsoft and Outlook apparently
was not working. 

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If you, if you go to the to the 
news, Artemis 2 astronauts find 

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2 Outlook instances running on 
their computers and they had to 

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call Houston to fix it because 
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out what was going on. 
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Teams, but anyone who's used 
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probably the worst tool ever. 
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stuck with it. 
And I guess NASA is also stuck 

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with outdated Microsoft 
applications on a computer 

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that's going to the moon. 
Yes, I don't know that I don't 

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think this is proprietary 
information, but my wife works 

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at Disney Streaming and they had
to move from Slack to to. 

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Teams. 
Oh my gosh. 

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As you can imagine how fun that 
was. 

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Oh. 
Dude, Oh my God. 

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It's incredible Microsoft 
continuing to cause problems 

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even in space. 
Even in space, even in we're 

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trying to go to the moon and. 
And outlook, outlook really 

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another just brief fun fact that
I'll touch on is a lot of people

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have been commenting on the 
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media capture on the launch, 
right, versus SpaceX, which is 

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in Blue Origin, which have been 
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we've seen so far. 
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to a couple of different things,
right? 

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The purposes are different, 
funding is different. 

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The the sales aspect for the 
commercial airliners, space 

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companies matters a lot. 
And so that is their product is 

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showing off the thing actually 
in space. 

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They invest heavily in that. 
They also have now a network of 

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stuff they can use up there do 
so. 

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And when we're crunched for 
budgets in NASA, which have 

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gotten even more crunched in the
current administration, the 

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money for the media budget is 
the first thing to go. 

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And while you can focus on life 
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are mission critical, safety, 
etcetera, etcetera. 

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So This is why funding in 
science, you want good stuff, 

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tell them to stop defunding 
NASA. 

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They also gave the astronauts 
iPhone 17 Pro Maxes to take 

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photos while they're like like 
non science related, just fun 

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photos while they're up there as
well. 

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So I'd be curious to see what 
those look like. 

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Yeah, I wonder if they have any 
photos of them fixing the 

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toilet. 
That's gotta be fun. 

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I wonder who had to do it. 
I better. 

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I bet it was the Rookie. 
Canadian 100% has to be, Has to 

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be. 
You haven't been here yet, Yeah.

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Like this is your first time, 
this is your. 

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First time, you gotta get a 
little hazing. 

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Yeah. 
So it's great to see the Artemis

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launch finally happened again. 
We have our model behind us. 

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We did a deep dive episode 
previously. 

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So if you want a little bit more
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happening. 
I will note the other last thing

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is they've actually changed the 
timing of Artemis 3 and 4. 

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It looks like the goal now is 
mid 2027 for Artemis 3, and then

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2028 is when we're going to go 
to the moon. 

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Some astute observers have sort 
of made the note that that is a 

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very aggressive timeline. 
There is a new head of NASA, 

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yes, who's a private business 
type. 

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Jared Isaacman. 
Yes, yeah and more of the the 

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Elon prototype versus a more 
research scientist type of 

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prototype. 
Yeah, we will see. 

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Yeah, what transpires. 
I do think it is an aggressive 

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timeline. 
I think it's an aggressive 

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timeline, but I think it's, I 
think it's, I think it's also 

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correct. 
I think we need to be 

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aggressive. 
I agree. 

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Yeah, I agree with because. 
Yeah, I agree. 

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Look, we all know who's coming 
for. 

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It yeah, we got to go. 
We got to go. 

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We got to go now. 
We got to make it happen. 

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If you've seen For All Mankind, 
you've seen this, literally seen

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the story before. 
And it's that's exactly what's 

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happening, is there's a clear 
geopolitical incentive by all of

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the spacefaring nations that the
moon is a strategic asset and 

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whoever gets there first has 
free roam to establish again, 

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where is the Helium 3, where 
potential ice and water deposit?

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All this stuff is going to 
matter. 

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And if you're there first, it's 
hard for the other people, Yeah,

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to get into those locations. 
Exactly. 

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It's a it's a crude analogy, and
I understand that it's not 

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perfect because of the history 
of colonialism and everything. 

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But if I may, I'd like to 
compare this to the conquest of 

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the New World, Right? 
Apparently the Norwegians were 

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here in like 700 years, the 400 
years before Christopher 

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Columbus came and the rest of 
the European nations, right. 

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But the Norwegians are not, we 
don't speak Norwegian right in 

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America, right? 
We don't even speak Spanish 

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because even though the British 
were like second to I think 

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probably 5th, they had the 
resources to build colonies 

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right in this continent in at 
least North America. 

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So if, if history has anything 
to say about this, we need to be

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there and we need to go there 
and we need to like actually 

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stay and make a presence. 
Absolutely. 

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And the last note to your point 
is as a part of the recent 

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changes at NASA, they've 
cancelled all the Mars related 

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stuff and, and now we're saying 
instead of doing basically a 

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moon base, yeah, is now the 
priority. 

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Yeah, and, and I also get that 
right. 

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It's like Mars, we've done a 
lot. 

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And also they're still like 
Rovers somehow. 

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JPL is so amazing, incredible 
that like they they plan for a 

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two year Rover and then it's 
still going like 15 years later,

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right? 
Like the wheels are broken and 

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everything was like no, I still 
I can still do it. 

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Still got it. 
So yeah, I I get it and I'm 

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looking forward to the next few 
years. 

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I think it's going to be an 
amazing, an amazing era for 

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space exploration for mankind in
general. 

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I can't wait for in about a few 
days, if everything goes well 

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and they do go to the moon, 
we're going to be able to look 

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at the moon and cover it up with
our thumb and be like, there are

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like 4 people. 
Right there. 

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There like right now and they 
will be looking at the Earth and

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they'll be able to cover it up 
with their thumb and be like 

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everyone except for four people 
are behind my thumb. 

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It's it's so. 
It's it's going to be incredible

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to, it's like living in the 
1970s. 

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Like imagine looking at the moon
and being like there's like 4 

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people there. 
Right now, right. 

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Fascinating. 
Always been a big lover of 

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space. 
Yeah, that's something we both 

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share. 
It's going to be amazing. 

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So we'll see as things continue 
to progress. 

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If you have, if you are a 
debunker about the moon landing,

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go watch our debunking video. 
We already did and comment 

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there. 
Yeah, moving on to our story #2 

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Anthropic accidentally leaked 
part of Claude Codes, internal 

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source code. 
So this, for those who may not 

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know, Anthropic is one of the 
sort of primary AI model 

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creators, along with Google's 
DeepMind, Open AI, Facebook's 

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Meta, whatever they're doing 
over there. 

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There's a European player that 
no one ever talks about, but you

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know, these foundation models, 
the brains behind. 

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The chat based AI generative AI 
revolution we've seen have been 

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crown jewels and is basically 
what the entire U.S. economy in 

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terms of GDP growth in the last 
year or two is effectively based

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on. 
So whether you like it or not, 

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our financial futures are kind 
of pegged to this stuff being 

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successful in some way. 
But Anthropic just had a pretty 

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embarrassing AI security issue, 
which has been a little bit 

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overhyped in the headlines, but 
it's still somewhat significant.

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So Claude code. 
So if we think about the 

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structure we have, Claude is the
model, the actual brains that 

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responds to you when you type 
into youknowclaude.com and get 

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it back. 
Right, this is an LLM. 

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LLM right where all the model 
weights are it's where all they 

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do all this really expensive 
training to make these things 

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super smart. 
They're basically growing right 

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the the the the intellectual 
response that we get when they 

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train these models. 
But Claude code is simply a 

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interface and orchestrator for 
an architecture for you 

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specifically initially for 
coding software coding, but is 

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now evolved into what they call 
Co work as well for people who 

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do things like financial 
modeling, deck creation, other 

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just business related functions.
They all live within this thing 

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called the Clod code 
application. 

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You can either have it as a 
terminal or on the Clod desktop 

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app. 
OK, now initially this leak was 

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reported on March 31st and how 
it happened was it is a little 

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bit in the weed, so I'll kind of
keep it topical. 

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There was a release of a new 
version of Cloud Code and on 

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MPM, which is a package managing
platform, there was a small 

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addendum that was added by one 
of their internal developers 

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that had a 60 megabyte 
JavaScript source map. 

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And you were able to basically 
you were able to use that to 

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reconstruct the entire 
TypeScript project. 

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So people were able to basically
get 500,000 lines of the actual 

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code base. 
That is what Claude code is off 

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across roughly 1900 files. 
And what was fascinating to see 

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was Korean developers when they 
woke up, saw that this had 

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happened, immediately pulled the
package down, rebuilt Claude 

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code, released it as basically a
free open source version on 

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GitHub. 
And it was the fastest growing 

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repo on GitHub in history, 
reaching 50,000 stars in two 

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hours, 100,000 like in the first
day. 

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And it it just exploded like 
wildfire. 

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I think part of that was because
people were confusing the model 

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for a Claude code. 
Oh, OK. 

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I see. 
So they thought, oh, we just got

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the weights. 
We correct. 

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Oh, Oh my God, the weights are 
public correct. 

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OK, got it. 
OK. 

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Early on, people were like, all 
the weights went out. 

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But it really is just that 
Claude Coast, right? 

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They still have the crown 
jewels. 

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And the irony of this story. 
There's a couple of things. 

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It was basically an internal 
developer who screwed up with 

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the release packaging. 
Yes, someone's getting fired. 

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They already got fired and they 
tweeted about it. 

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OK, great. 
It's already on Twitter or X or 

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whatever. 
Yeah. 

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And so that went out and, and I 
think it's, it's the, the speed 

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in this space is astronomical 
because it's less than a day. 

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Basically, developers were able 
to wake up, recreate it not only

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in, they did it in like. 
Probably using Cloud Code. 

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Exactly. 
Exactly. 

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And they recreated I think in 
JavaScript and then just built a

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version in Rust like 
immediately. 

456
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,440
And it's it's the ingenuity of 
developers now and the because 

457
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,720
they have a coding assistant 
tools, things can move very, 

458
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,320
very quickly. 
That's incredible. 

459
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,880
And so the wrapper around the 
model leaked. 

460
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,000
Not the core model. 
But the other irony for for 

461
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,160
Anthropic is when you look at 
the personalities of all the the

462
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,000
between Google Open AI and 
Anthropic is the top three. 

463
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,640
Arguably Anthropic has been very
heavy on the sort of AI safety. 

464
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,560
You know, we are focused on that
piece and security and all this 

465
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,320
matters. 
So for them to have be the first

466
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,520
ones to have such a catastrophic
leak of something fundamental, 

467
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,240
it's not really good for the 
brand, Especially when Open AI 

468
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,400
just finished closing their 
highest, the highest funding 

469
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,080
round venture capital fund. 
I think it's $122 billion in the

470
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,000
history of funding ever, 
literally like a day or two 

471
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,720
before this happened. 
So the race is on. 

472
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,280
No, you're not just going to get
and, you know, clawed on your 

473
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,800
computer by default. 
But you know, Cloud Code is 

474
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,480
quite, quite nice. 
Yeah. 

475
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,720
And there's a lot of interesting
insights and how they set up the

476
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,480
harness around the model to make
it practical that is going to 

477
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,800
continue to be used by 
developers outside of just using

478
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,160
their their tools and so. 
I mean, I'm sure by now there's 

479
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,600
probably like a dedicated team 
at Open AI that is like, what's 

480
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,160
the best part of this that we 
can put into ours? 

481
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,360
I'm sure, I'm sure. 
And it's it's funny. 

482
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,880
There's there's like an 
undercover mode or something 

483
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,440
that was a part of the leaked 
code base that was specifically 

484
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,000
a tool to prevent is this stuff 
from happening. 

485
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Hilarious and clearly that. 
And that that also got the. 

486
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,480
Jesus, so tough. 
Tough day for Dario Amadei. 

487
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,840
Keep fighting the good fight. 
AI safety is important. 

488
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,280
Operational security is also 
important. 

489
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,120
So that's our story #2 I'm going
to take a brief pause for some 

490
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,160
show notes. 
If you love this show, 

491
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,000
everything you can do to support
us is helpful, whether that's a 

492
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,680
like a share a comment, bring us
up a journal club, the 

493
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,560
billionaire algorithm. 
We have to continue to fight to 

494
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,240
get awareness and relevance and 
all of that engagement really 

495
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,080
helps us get seen by more 
people. 

496
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,240
It continues to just be the two 
of us who are running this 

497
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,520
podcast. 
No advertisers at this moment in

498
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,800
time, right? 
We're doing it for the love of 

499
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,600
the game and so if you want to 
support us financially, you can 

500
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,960
go to ffppod.com back slash 
donate. 

501
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,040
And that is the place in which 
you can help support us in that 

502
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,200
way. 
But enough of all that nonsense.

503
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,160
Let's move to our third story. 
So our third story is about a 

504
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,360
new science paper out in Science
that suggests that cats may be 

505
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:36,200
one of the best real world 
models for human cancer and 

506
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,400
studying human cancer. 
It sounds a bit weird, but when 

507
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,680
you think about it, at the end 
of the day, it's all about 

508
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,040
animal models. 
And we talked about this a lot 

509
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,680
on the podcast, the fact that, 
you know, when we do biomedical 

510
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,200
research, a lot of times we're 
looking for a model of a certain

511
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,840
disease or a certain ailment and
we want to replicate that in 

512
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,200
some kind of, you know, animal 
that we study, that we can study

513
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,040
in great detail. 
A lot of time that has to do 

514
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,720
with rodents, right? 
Rodents are the bread and butter

515
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,600
of a lot of biomedical labs. 
But rodents don't get cancer the

516
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,840
same way that humans do because 
they are not exposed naturally 

517
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,680
to the kind of carcinogens that 
humans are in day-to-day life. 

518
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,360
So you have to induce cancer. 
You have to give them genetic 

519
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,800
mutations. 
Now, that obviously has a lot of

520
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,280
benefits, and there's a lot of 
incredible Cancer Research that 

521
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,600
goes on there, but there's parts
that are missing. 

522
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,560
It turns out domesticated cats 
live with human beings and are 

523
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,520
exposed to the same type of 
carcinogens that we are as human

524
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,560
beings. 
And so the types of cancer that 

525
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,320
cats get, domesticated cats, are
very similar to the types of 

526
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,000
cancers that humans get. 
And so if we can study how 

527
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,160
domesticated cats get cancer, 
their genomes, their oncogenomes

528
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,600
is what we should say, because 
this is specific to the genomics

529
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,880
represented in the tumors, in 
the cancer tumors, those are 

530
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,920
going to have all these 
different types of mutations 

531
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:12,120
that cause the cancer. 
If we can study that, that can 

532
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,320
then supplement a lot of the 
other research that's happening 

533
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,480
with cancer, and that is what 
this particular paper is doing. 

534
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,640
The paper was published in 
Science. 

535
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:27,640
Called the Oncogenome of the 
Domesticated Cat, it's from a 

536
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,320
bunch of collaborators, the 
University of Bern, from 

537
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Cornell, from the Ontario 
Veterinary College and from the 

538
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Welcome Sanger Institute. 
The researchers effectively 

539
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:45,280
sequenced about 505 hundred cat 
tumor and normal tissue pairs. 

540
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,840
So you get, you know, the tissue
from the tumor and you get the 

541
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,400
tissue from the normal part of 
the cat. 

542
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,600
And so you then you can compare 
what the mutations were is very 

543
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,240
similar to that story that we 
did of the guy in Australia who 

544
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,120
built AMRNA vaccine for the his 
dog's cancer. 

545
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,560
This, he did the same thing, 
right? 

546
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,320
He sequenced the normal genome 
and the genome of the tumor to 

547
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,200
find out how to target that 
tumor. 

548
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:18,600
In this case, it's 500 pairs of 
genomes from 13 different tumor 

549
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,160
types. 
It's the first large scale 

550
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,360
genomic Atlas of cancer in 
domesticated cats. 

551
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,480
Obviously this helps cats and 
vets understand how cats get 

552
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,520
cancer. 
But what what I really like 

553
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,600
about this is this idea of the 
one medicine or one health 

554
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,560
approach. 
That's the big idea. 

555
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,240
It's the fact that veterinary 
medicine and human medicine 

556
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,240
should not be treated as 
completely separate, siloed 

557
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,640
parts of medicine because 
cancer, at the end of the day, 

558
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,560
if you look at a big picture, 
right, cancer is a genomic 

559
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,800
disease. 
It has to do with mutations in 

560
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,160
the genome and, and if we can 
study multiple species that get 

561
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:09,000
similar types of cancer, then we
can study invariants that are 

562
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,640
unique to the cancer. 
And the idea, the physics of 

563
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,480
cancer, let's say from that 
first principle and it has 

564
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,000
nothing to do with where the 
cancer is happening, whether 

565
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,240
it's in a cat or if it's in a 
human right. 

566
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,480
It's a fundamental first 
principles understanding of what

567
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,200
the cancer is doing. 
So they've identified 31 driver 

568
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,840
genes, and these are genes that 
drive cancer mutations later on,

569
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,920
OK. 
So you can have a gene that has 

570
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,000
a mutation and then that drives 
other types of mutations, right?

571
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,680
So that's what's called a driver
gene. 

572
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,560
They identified 31 driver genes.
There was this particular gene 

573
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,440
called TP 53, and that one was 
the most frequently mutated gene

574
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,520
showing up in about 33% of cat 
tumors. 

575
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,440
And that's a gene that's also 
going to show up in human, right

576
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,280
cancers, right? 
So already we're getting a lot 

577
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:10,720
of these very familiar genetic 
motifs in both the human case 

578
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,000
and the cat case. 
When it comes to carcinoma, one 

579
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,200
of the clearest parallels was 
this other gene called FBX W7. 

580
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,720
It was altered in more than 50% 
of the tumors that were studied 

581
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,840
in the cat. 
And again, that's another gene 

582
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,000
that's very, very prevalent in 
human beings. 

583
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,480
So if we can really like start 
understanding how these cats get

584
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,600
these mutations, what are the 
carcinogenic sort of drivers of 

585
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,960
those kinds of mutations, then 
you can do something called 

586
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,800
comparative oncology, where if 
the cats and the humans get 

587
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,600
similar for tumors, then perhaps
the treatment and the biological

588
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,600
insight can flow in both 
directions. 

589
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,400
We can use the human treatment 
to inform on how to treat a cat,

590
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,080
and we can use the cat genomics 
to inform on the fundamentals of

591
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,360
the human cancer. 
So I thought it was a very cool 

592
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,880
study. 
I, I think one of the things 

593
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,360
that from this story that that 
immediately clicked in my head 

594
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,680
when I, when we put in the show 
notes, was this idea what, that 

595
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,800
when we use, you know, we, we 
use animal models for research, 

596
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,040
you know, for a whole host of 
things. 

597
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,680
But this idea for for cancer 
specifically that we basically 

598
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,720
induce, we artificially create 
cancer and, and mice and rats 

599
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,440
and other the rodents we do in 
the lab. 

600
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,280
And it's a very simple idea. 
Domesticated cats live in the 

601
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,880
same environment as they're 
human. 

602
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,960
And so their natural cancer is 
from, from an environmental 

603
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,400
inducement perspective is very 
closely mapped to our lived 

604
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,880
experience. 
And it makes very logical sense 

605
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,240
that, you know, this is the 
whole nature nurture thing that 

606
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,960
the, the, the environment does, 
you know, create a better 

607
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,800
platform, you know, for study in
terms of being able to take, 

608
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,200
because we've talked about with 
ALS, I think it was the story 

609
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,960
where we talked about in animal 
models, it doesn't translate and

610
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,920
so. 
Alzheimer's animal models. 

611
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,520
It doesn't translate 
consciousness. 

612
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,640
It doesn't. 
Translate and so at least in a 

613
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,680
small micro in a small portion 
as it relates to naturally 

614
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,760
occurring cancers and oncology 
studies that that overlap to 

615
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,400
improving animal models made 
total. 

616
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Sense. 
Yeah, that's. 

617
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,000
Cool to see in an actual study. 
Here. 

618
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,280
Yeah, I thought that was very 
cool. 

619
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,360
That was great. 
We're going to move on to our 

620
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,400
fourth story before we wrap up 
with Project Hail Mary, which is

621
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,120
this headline in Rao, Reuters 
and TechCrunch. 

622
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,160
A major hacking tool has leaked 
online, putting millions of 

623
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,360
iPhones at risk. 
And here's what you need to 

624
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,200
know. 
So we both have iPhones. 

625
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,800
Yes, I would like my iPhone not 
to be at risk. 

626
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Yes, yeah, me too. 
And, you know, spyware, we've 

627
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,840
grown up in the generation where
we've seen Facebook hacks and, 

628
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,120
you know, we've seen the rise of
information warfare across 

629
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,560
nation states for a whole 
variety of geopolitical 

630
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,719
advantages. 
And So what this story is about 

631
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,120
is researchers have uncovered 
that two very powerful iPhone 

632
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,520
hacking toolkits, Dark Sword and
Karuna, or at least parts of 

633
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,239
them have leaked online in a 
like a public GitHub repo, which

634
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,120
is basically means anyone can 
download this. 

635
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,040
And historically these these 
these toolkits have been very 

636
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,840
lucrative for organizations to 
sell to nation States and 

637
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,360
intelligence community types and
other non state actors who want 

638
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,120
to have targeted hacks of, you 
know, if you as long as you 

639
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,840
don't have your people leaking 
stuff on Signal, you know, you 

640
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,600
want to be able to to get to 
them. 

641
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,280
Yeah. 
So the software itself is 

642
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,880
actually not new. 
The actual toolkits themselves, 

643
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:57,280
it's general availability for 
the regular public is what's 

644
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,800
new. 
Right, yeah, this is just on 

645
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,360
GitHub. 
Right, because normally 

646
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,920
something like this, you know, 
would be 10s of thousands, 

647
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,160
hundreds of thousands of 
millions of dollars to be able 

648
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,840
to, you know, have someone do on
your behalf to get access. 

649
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,600
Because obviously Apple spends a
ton of money and their whole 

650
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,120
brand identities around privacy.
First, we're secure, local only,

651
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,280
yada yada. 
So this idea that we're having 

652
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,040
government grade exploits escape
into the wild, I think it's the 

653
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,800
core idea for this story. 
It was first reported on March 

654
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,360
18th. 
It should be noted that for Dark

655
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Sword, it specifically targets 
iOS 18.4 through 18.62. 

656
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,240
And what's interesting about 
iPhones? 

657
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,880
I'm going to check my iOS 
version right after this 

658
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,000
episode. 
Right. 

659
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,120
The, the, what I will say is, 
you know, for most people you're

660
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,280
not doing anything that anyone 
is going to go through the 

661
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,160
effort to target as a practical 
matter. 

662
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,160
But also one of the big 
differences between Android and 

663
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,960
iOS as ecosystems and the 
audience is that usually when 

664
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:04,840
there's new OS update, upwards 
of 80 to 90% of the iPhone 

665
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,480
install base just automatically 
accepts the auto update. 

666
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,800
And so the surface area of risk 
is relatively low, but the 

667
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,720
number looks to still be about 
220 million to 270 million 

668
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,120
iPhones could still be exposed 
to this. 

669
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,320
So it's, it's non 0 the 
downloads, you know, I are 

670
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,200
trying to be taken down from 
GitHub because obviously Apple 

671
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,600
has a lot of control there, but 
there's dozens of sort of sites 

672
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,920
in the in Ukraine, Saudi Arabia,
Turkey, Malaysia, etcetera, 

673
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,560
that, you know, it's very 
prominent there. 

674
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,680
These are obviously areas where 
there's active conflict 

675
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,080
happening. 
And so, I mean, the story we 

676
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,600
just talked about where the 
astronauts on Artemis have 

677
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,280
iPhones, they're not doing 
anything classified on there 

678
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,520
hopefully, but. 
It's of course technology that 

679
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,960
they want to preserve and 
protect. 

680
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,080
I was surprised that they just 
had off. 

681
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,640
They might not be off the shelf,
but I was surprised that it was 

682
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,680
an Apple product that they 
brought with them. 

683
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,600
It's curious with Corona it it 
has a wider spectrum. 

684
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,480
It impacts iOS 13 through 17. 
So this is so there's Dark 

685
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,240
Sword, which is the first sort 
of hacking protocol, yes. 

686
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,360
And then Corona is the 2nd. 
One, yes. 

687
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,600
And so Dark Sword is more modern
because it sort of targets iOS 

688
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,320
18. 18 OK. 
Corona is for the older iOS 13 

689
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,960
to 17, which is much, much fewer
phones, especially for high 

690
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,360
value targets. 
It's less likely that they're 

691
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,760
going to be on these older 
versions. 

692
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,160
So what does it allow the hacker
to? 

693
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,360
It can get your messages, it can
get your browsing data, it can 

694
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,720
get your location history and 
crypto related information once 

695
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:48,120
the device has been compromised.
And so, you know, it's, it's not

696
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,600
I, the, the idea here is it's 
less about your iPhone is 

697
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440
roamable now, not only because 
most of us aren't doing anything

698
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,760
that's actually worth the effort
to get it on there because you 

699
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,920
still have to install it. 
And so a lot of times the way 

700
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,200
you get is when you get a 
website where it says, oh, you 

701
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,280
have something wrong, click here
to download a fix. 

702
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,760
So you still need to get it onto
the device or what's it's onto 

703
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,720
the device that can then 
remotely execute a whole bunch 

704
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,480
of stuff. 
So like links and attachments 

705
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,600
and emails can be a point of a 
vector for attack attachments in

706
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,400
iMessage, etcetera, etcetera. 
So it is not ideal, but I think 

707
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:27,640
the bigger point here is it's 
similar to the drone issue that 

708
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,880
we've seen in in warfare in the 
Middle East where the cost is 

709
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,760
getting so low. 
Yeah, yeah, I. 

710
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,040
See for things that used to be 
reserved for much more 

711
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,000
sophisticated shops and it's not
only happening in like on on the

712
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,200
battlefield, it's now also 
happening in the information war

713
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,960
space. 
We're now you're getting sort of

714
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,080
what used to be a nation state 
only capability. 

715
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,160
Any Tom, Dick or Harry can kind 
of get it off the shelf now. 

716
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,360
Again, it is more of a signal 
about the larger things to come 

717
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,560
as more of these tools. 
Again, if Anthropic can't keep 

718
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,160
their model under wraps, if 
iPhone is still having exploits 

719
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,520
that are now getting to the 
public, it's a constant 

720
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,760
battlefield. 
So trying to do a little bit of 

721
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,400
separation between what is real 
versus what is hype. 

722
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:18,400
But I, I do think there is, this
is a space to watch as spyware 

723
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,840
generally becomes more generally
accessible on top of the fact 

724
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,640
that now there's all these 
coding assistance and coding 

725
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,240
agents. 
So some high school kid who's 

726
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,880
clever, usually the best stuff 
comes from high school and early

727
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,080
college kids. 
You know, we've seen this cycle 

728
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,760
of ransomware with hospitals 
where they locked down hospital 

729
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,600
system software until you pay in
crypto. 

730
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,680
I don't think this is going 
away. 

731
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000
And I've been surprised at at 
how little has spilled into the 

732
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,680
public in all these proxy wars 
in terms of the information war 

733
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,960
component. 
But this leak, I think is a 

734
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,720
signal that we're going to see 
more of this in the coming 

735
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,240
years. 
Yeah, that's, that's pretty 

736
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,880
scary. 
I mean, people when they talk 

737
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,200
about, you know, leaks and like 
getting through cryptography, I 

738
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,880
think there's a lot of hype 
around, oh, quantum computing is

739
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,480
going to, you know, change the 
game. 

740
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,920
And that's certainly true. 
Like if it works and we do have 

741
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,960
a fault tolerant, scalable 
quantum computer, it is going to

742
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,160
break encryption, right? 
That's kind of an inevitability.

743
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,920
But even before then. 
There's all these like cheap 

744
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,480
tricks, yes, that probably we 
should be concerned about. 

745
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Yes, make sure your admin 
password on any critical 

746
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,840
infrastructure software you guys
have is not password or 0000. 

747
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,600
So again, just two leak stories 
this week. 

748
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,320
You know, I think these, there's
a, these are all getting a lot 

749
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,240
of attention and the coverage is
not quite perfect. 

750
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,000
I'm glad you covered it because 
I learned a lot there. 

751
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,640
So we're going to move into the 
project Hail Mary. 

752
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,880
Yes. 
Our our last note of the day in 

753
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,840
this rundown episode, You you'd 
seen it first. 

754
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,720
I saw it first and then I told 
you to see it told. 

755
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,160
Me to go see it, I was hyped 
about it because I love every 

756
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,440
space movie, all the early 
Rotten Tomatoes stuff, etcetera.

757
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,040
Was was hot? 
Was hot. 

758
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,800
Yeah, it was hot. 
So what did you think? 

759
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,840
You know what I mean? 
It was all right. 

760
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,480
It was all right. 
No, you know, I think that it 

761
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,120
was beautifully shot. 
Like I love the visual language 

762
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,280
of the film. 
I thought the visual language 

763
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,000
was fantastic. 
The cinematography was 

764
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,120
fantastic. 
You know, I think the concepts 

765
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,920
were really interesting. 
Like the also spoiler alert, yet

766
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,240
we are going to talk about the 
actual details. 

767
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,080
So like the Petrova line concept
and like, like the the narrative

768
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,160
tension of like what was 
happening and why it was 

769
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,920
important. 
I thought was great. 

770
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:49,160
I really had a hard time getting
emotionally invested into the 

771
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,880
relationship between Ryan 
Gosling's character and Rocky. 

772
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,600
Oh, OK. 
I might have just been having an

773
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,520
off day and I was feeling a 
little bit like the Grinch, but 

774
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,480
it I just couldn't get into it. 
That's that's it. 

775
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,720
Very. 
Interesting, because I had the 

776
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,840
opposite experience. 
I was like super emotionally 

777
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,920
invested in Rocky the Alien. 
And I thought, I, I thought like

778
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,040
as a film, I thought it was a 
masterpiece, honestly, because, 

779
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,840
you know, I've seen a lot of 
films with probably like a 

780
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080
higher budget or like a higher 
production value where I could 

781
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,920
not care less about the main 
characters. 

782
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,960
A good example is like the 
Formula One F1 movie, Like at 

783
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,920
the end, I really couldn't care 
if Brad Pitt won or if Lewis 

784
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,560
Hamilton won at the at that last
race. 

785
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,320
Because like the way that they 
set up the character, I just 

786
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,080
wasn't, there was no arc. 
There was no like time to 

787
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,640
identify with him. 
I don't know why, but somehow 

788
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,440
the way that they, to me at 
least, right the way that they, 

789
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,640
they had Rocky come up and like 
his struggles of like he, like 

790
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,160
his crew died and all this other
stuff. 

791
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,640
There's like there was so much 
that I could identify with. 

792
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:03,480
I actually like I think this was
better than Interstellar I in 

793
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,680
terms of a movie. 
In terms of something that I. 

794
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,680
Could like emotionally feel and 
be a part of like there are 

795
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,320
scenes in Interstellar that were
very that I emotionally 

796
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,240
resonated with. 
Like the fact when he was 

797
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,920
talking to his kids and he saw 
the the kids just grow up in 

798
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,960
like an hour. 
That was kind of crazy because 

799
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,720
obviously like I know about 
general relativity and things 

800
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,160
like that, but seeing it on 
screen is like pretty insane. 

801
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,240
But yeah, I think, I think in 
terms of that, like the movie 

802
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,080
and the characters, I thought I 
thought it was amazing. 

803
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,120
I I don't, I don't agree. 
OK, no, that, that I, I'm really

804
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,560
fascinated by that take. 
Yeah, again. 

805
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,360
And I have to probably watch it 
again. 

806
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,680
I it just might have been not 
the right day for me. 

807
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,400
Yeah. 
But saying it's better than 

808
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,280
Interstellar is heresy. 
Yeah, to me. 

809
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,080
To me, I will say, I will go 
ahead and say. 

810
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,560
That I think the science of 
Interstellar is cooler for sure,

811
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,440
but I think in terms of a movie 
that where I resonated with the 

812
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,840
characters and I was like 
emotionally locked in and I was 

813
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:05,880
I was just like, what's going to
happen? 

814
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Oh my gosh, I think this one was
like, I think here's where may 

815
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,600
be able to get a point of 
agreement. 

816
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,640
With you, which is the one 
relationship that definitely was

817
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,000
forced and didn't make sense or 
didn't have enough time to 

818
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,000
marinate was between Carl the 
security guard driver and Ryan 

819
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,760
Gosling's character. 
That was a bit rushed. 

820
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,640
They they get this immediately. 
Became buddy buddy and also I 

821
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,480
was like. 
All right, that's a little too. 

822
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,080
It was a little too fast, A 
little too fast. 

823
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Yeah. 
So I think we can agree on that 

824
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,960
one. 
Yeah, I I'll agree with you on 

825
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,640
that one. 
But let's continue. 

826
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,400
Yeah, so, OK, Well, anyways, so 
I want to cover some of the 

827
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,920
things that I found good about 
the science and some of the 

828
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,960
things that I was just like that
kind of doesn't make sense. 

829
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Again, I want to just say that 
the movie itself, I still think 

830
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,520
was just really well done. 
So let's let's start with the 

831
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,400
good. 
So I loved the way that the the 

832
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,520
population dynamics I thought 
was very cool in that in the in 

833
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:07,760
Taoseti, the reason why that 
astrophage is not runaway 

834
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,800
exploding is because there's a 
predator. 

835
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,720
Predator prey dynamics is like 
one of the first things that you

836
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,480
learn about in differential 
equations and how there can be 

837
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,640
like stable equilibria. 
So I thought that was really 

838
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,840
cool, the idea that the 
acceleration of the spaceship 

839
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,800
was creating gravity and that 
once Ryan Gosling and his 

840
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,320
spaceship arrived at Taoseti, 
the spaceship stopped pushing 

841
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,680
and then he was in zero. 
GI thought that was really cool.

842
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,600
That was that switch because 
like when he when he first wakes

843
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,960
up, there's still gravity. 
Yes, right. 

844
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,440
And I was, I was like, what is 
going on? 

845
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,440
How is there gravity in space if
he's in space? 

846
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,920
And then it switched off and 
then there was 0 GI thought that

847
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,320
was really cool. 
That was a nice touch. 

848
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,640
That was a really nice touch. 
Because. 

849
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Because I was. 
Like, OK, now I see that the 

850
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,600
details of Rocky the alien, I 
thought were very cool in the 

851
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,520
even Rocky slept. 
This is something that we talked

852
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,520
about in our episode about why 
jellyfish sleep, right. 

853
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:07,880
Jellyfish have a decentralized 
brain. 

854
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,680
They don't have a central 
nervous system. 

855
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,360
They don't have like, you know, 
the reasons to to sleep like we 

856
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,240
do, but yet they still sleep 
because it's a part of adna 

857
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,320
repair mechanism fundamentally 
at the end of the day and a 

858
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,640
cellular repair mechanism. 
And so the fact that even Rocky 

859
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,720
had a sleep wake cycle because 
he's got some form of neurons, 

860
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:29,960
right? 
He's got some form of 

861
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,920
information capacity and 
information churning ability. 

862
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:38,920
And so to have even someone like
Rocky sleep, I thought that was 

863
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,320
a really good touch. 
I think that is something that I

864
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,160
would expect if we ever see 
aliens, intelligent aliens at 

865
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,360
least that they would also 
sleep. 

866
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:54,200
His use of so, you know, he uses
echolocation to sense his 

867
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,680
environment. 
So he doesn't have any eyes and 

868
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,520
he doesn't have any way to feel 
electromagnetic radiation 

869
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,240
because I think their species is
evolved in a high pressure, very

870
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:12,920
dark environment. 
So he used, I don't know if you 

871
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,920
saw, but he had like a little 
iPad that would make texture out

872
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,200
of whatever Ryan Gosling was 
seeing. 

873
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,760
And he had a little crystal that
would take in electromagnetic 

874
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,720
rays and then transfer that into
this like tactile iPad thing. 

875
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,600
I thought that was pretty cool. 
That was quite, that was quite 

876
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,520
cool. 
Because then he can. 

877
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,520
See the iPad by. 
Bouncing sound waves. 

878
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,880
Yes. 
Off of it, Yes. 

879
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:36,720
That was clever. 
Yeah. 

880
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,200
I I I I thought that was. 
Clever. 

881
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,000
I also. 
Like the fact that Rocky had 

882
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,280
emotions, I think there's a lot 
of like alien movies out there 

883
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,440
where like these aliens are like
super emotionless and like, 

884
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,440
don't you know that they're, 
they're just super logical and 

885
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,680
things like that. 
I like the fact that Rocky had 

886
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,320
like emotions of sadness, 
happiness, like missing his 

887
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,880
partner, things like that. 
Because if we look around in the

888
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,520
animal Kingdom, emotions are 
everywhere. 

889
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,360
Yeah, right. 
In, in not just, I would say 

890
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,280
mammals, but there there is 
evidence for emotion in birds 

891
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,200
and reptiles, things like that. 
And so it's kind of an 

892
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,680
evolutionary trick where, you 
know, there's some hormones or 

893
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,960
pheromones or chemicals in our 
brain that perhaps give us the 

894
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,640
illusion of emotion. 
And it's like an evolutionary 

895
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,400
trick to get us to be attached 
to something or to an outcome or

896
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
to an individual. 
But I think that same kind of 

897
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,160
evolutionary trick would be 
there for an evolved system 

898
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,640
somewhere else. 
So I like that. 

899
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,080
Now, of course, these are like 
just soft, soft opinions, 

900
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,000
totally. 
And I want to add two things I 

901
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,840
think. 
To the what? 

902
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:48,440
I think the film did good. 
The sound design was out of this

903
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,800
world. 
Yeah, I went to see it in IMAX. 

904
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,000
Oh, nice. 
The the sound. 

905
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,840
Design. 
Is so good. 

906
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,040
Yeah, it is because it's it's 
space using silence. 

907
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,880
Well, like the actual, like a 
lot of times you hear sounds in 

908
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,600
space movies and it's like, oh, 
that's the sound from Jurassic 

909
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Park mapped with a Little Miss 
or whatever, right. 

910
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,040
It was very unique. 
They clearly did a lot of work 

911
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,960
there. 
The sound design was 

912
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,240
exceptional. 
And I just want to double click 

913
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:17,480
on how visually stunning it was.
It was a beautiful. 

914
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,760
It was beautiful to watch and 
look at. 

915
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,920
Yeah. 
And, and just, and I think from 

916
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,240
an original screenplay design, 
screenplay perspective for a 

917
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:31,720
space movie, yeah, I think they 
did a good job of not just 

918
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,800
repeating the the same space 
movie again. 

919
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,120
Yes, I I I do. 
I do agree with. 

920
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,160
That the probably, I'm probably 
going to watch it again, but I 

921
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,120
really want to skip through like
the part where Rocky like has to

922
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,320
get out of his atmosphere and be
in pain. 

923
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,360
Cause like that sound design was
really well done because I was 

924
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,600
like feeling it because I had 
already attached like emotional 

925
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,520
weight to Rocky. 
And then I'm like, oh, like this

926
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,160
guy's dying. 
Like so I was, I was like going 

927
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,240
through it and I'm probably 
going to Fast forward that part 

928
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,680
because I really did not. 
Enjoy. 

929
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,880
Watching that, but the, the part
before where they're like doing 

930
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,640
the fishing. 
Yeah, yeah. 

931
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,040
In the atmosphere, the the score
was absolutely incredible. 

932
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Like, dude, everyone in the 
theater was locked in during 

933
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,640
that part. 
Like everyone you know, you 

934
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,280
know, that mean where they're 
like you like you're like, 

935
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,200
you're like this and then you 
grab the controller. 

936
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,200
Everyone in the theater, like 
was like, that was probably one 

937
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,400
of the best intensity moments. 
Of the whole film, yeah. 

938
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,040
And it was. 
That was quite nice. 

939
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,520
That was that was really, really
cool. 

940
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,000
Nice SO. 
All of that I really liked. 

941
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:41,360
There are a few things about the
science that I'm not sure I buy.

942
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,920
OK and I want to cover this 
because a lot of the coverage 

943
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,960
that I'm seeing is the Andy 
Wire, who's the the author of 

944
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,520
the book is like really nitty 
gritty about the science, right?

945
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,480
So perhaps there are reasons 
because I haven't read the book.

946
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:02,600
I did a bit of research to see 
like, what the what, what the 

947
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,640
justification for these these 
points were. 

948
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,120
I'm still not buying it. 
So perhaps in the comments you 

949
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,520
can tell me if you disagree. 
The first one has nothing to do 

950
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,200
with Andy Wire. 
That just has to do with Ryan 

951
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,400
Gosling never having been in a 
molecular biology lab. 

952
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,880
Remember the centrifuge scene? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

953
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,280
Have have you seen all of the 
all of the scientists on TikTok 

954
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,120
and Instagram? 
Everyone had like a gasp during 

955
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,640
the centrifuge scene because he 
puts 2 samples right next to 

956
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,360
each other on the centrifuge. 
OK, I got a 15 minute lecture 

957
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,040
during my Princeton undergrad 
bio lab because I did that. 

958
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,040
And then like the centrifuge 
started doing this. 

959
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,520
And then the grad student who 
was my TA had to like unplug the

960
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,120
centrifuge. 
And he was like, you're a 

961
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,080
physics major. 
Like are you what, what are you,

962
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,000
what are you doing? 
And then I thought about it for 

963
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,640
like 5 seconds. 
I'm like, yeah, that was, that 

964
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,600
was really dumb because you got 
a balance. 

965
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,880
You gotta put one-on-one side 
and 1:00 on the other side. 

966
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,440
And The thing is, it wasn't even
like a the scene wasn't even off

967
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,480
the to the side. 
The camera focuses in on the 

968
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,960
centrifuge and then he puts the 
2. 

969
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,200
So it's just full the entire 
field of view is this centrifuge

970
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,040
that I know is about to break. 
And I'm sure he only has one 

971
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,200
centrifuge up there. 
So what now he's going to have 

972
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,400
to spin it manually or 
something, right? 

973
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,120
So that centrifuge definitely 
broke in the story. 

974
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,720
So that was pretty hilarious 
that everybody on TikTok was 

975
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:33,600
like going after that. 
The second thing was, so Ryan 

976
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,920
Gosling mentions that or his 
character mentions that Rocky's 

977
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,320
alien technology is like 
primitive in the sense that they

978
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,520
don't know about relativity, but
they're really good at material 

979
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,360
science. 
OK, Now they're so good at 

980
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,360
material science that they can 
literally build anything they 

981
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,360
want with the xenonite, right? 
Right. 

982
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,360
Which has xenon in some form. 
I can totally buy that. 

983
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,560
Xenon has other allotropes. 
That is not like gas, right? 

984
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,160
There's like ways to manipulate 
xenon to be a material that we 

985
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,800
haven't really thought of. 
Condensed matters is a nascent 

986
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,200
field even by today's standards.
So I can buy that. 

987
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:17,400
What I don't buy is that an 
alien civilization is so 

988
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,080
advanced that they can literally
3D print Zenonite and things 

989
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,640
like that, but they don't know 
about relativity. 

990
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:29,320
OK, Because relativity to me is 
a very fundamental part of the 

991
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,840
fabric of the universe. 
I can forgive them for not 

992
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,800
understanding general relativity
maybe OK, but special relativity

993
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,360
has everything to do with just 
electromagnetism in general, 

994
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,880
electricity and magnetism. 
And I know for a fact that they 

995
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,480
know about electricity and 
magnetism for two reasons. 

996
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,720
Well, let's actually 3 reasons 
first, in the scene where Ryan 

997
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:56,880
Gosling is like trying to In the
scene where the the spaceship, 

998
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,800
the Earth Hail Mary spaceship is
like turning around to create 

999
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:08,120
artificial gravity. 
There's antennas on Rockies 

1000
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,760
spaceship that are tracking. 
Those antennas are using light, 

1001
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,280
OK? 
They're using some kind of radar

1002
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,720
because that's what the only 
thing that goes in empty space 

1003
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,880
is light, right? 
Electromagnetic radiation, 

1004
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,080
right? 
So clearly he's using 

1005
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,000
electromagnetic radiation in 
some rudimentary way, right? 

1006
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,440
So you can say he just like he 
knows it's like in some 

1007
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,200
rudimentary way fine. 
Second, he's literally 3D 

1008
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,560
printing like entire spaceships 
worth of Zenonite, right? 

1009
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,840
How are you manipulating that 
material if not with 

1010
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:46,920
electromagnetic fields, right. 
And if you're doing that, how do

1011
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,640
you not know about relativity? 
Because relativity is really a 

1012
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,960
consequence of Maxwell's 
equations, right? 

1013
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,720
If you know electricity and 
magnetism, you know, if you're 

1014
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,240
trying to manipulate charged 
particles, right? 

1015
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,200
You know that when they move, 
they create a second type of 

1016
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,200
force called magnetism. 
And then you know that the 

1017
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,640
interplay between electricity 
and magnetism has to go at the 

1018
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,240
speed of light. 
And then you can make logical 

1019
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:14,960
sort of deductions about, well, 
what's the like? 

1020
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,640
How is this working, right? 
Like it's really a logical 

1021
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,600
argument where what relativity 
is? 

1022
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,600
And 3rd, about the material 
science, right? 

1023
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,080
There's two materials that I 
know for a fact Rocky knows 

1024
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:38,240
exist in terms of elements. 
First, oxygen, oxygen, he knows 

1025
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,400
about oxygen because if you 
remember, there's a scene where 

1026
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Ryan Gosling goes through, goes 
to meet Rocky and then Rocky's 

1027
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,000
pointing at the, at the little 
like capsule. 

1028
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,800
That's a gift for him. 
That that scene, by the way, was

1029
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,040
hilarious where he kept pointing
and Ryan Gosling was like, oh, 

1030
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,400
we want to keep doing, oh, 
you're .0, you're pointing. 

1031
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,600
OK. 
He opens the thing, he sees 2 

1032
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,960
like a beads of eight and eight.
Yes, OK. 

1033
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,200
And that's meant to be oxygen 
because oxygen has 8 protons and

1034
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,560
88 electrons, and so an O2 
molecule is 8 and eight. 

1035
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,840
Notice Rocky did not make 16 and
16. 

1036
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:19,840
So Rocky knows about charge. 
Yeah, yeah, if he did 16 and. 16

1037
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,200
That means oh, I just weighed I.
Just weighed oxygen, that's 

1038
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:25,320
good, right? 
And it's like 16 things in here 

1039
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,880
and 16 things in here. 
No, he did 8 and 8, which means 

1040
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,800
he's either referring to the 
protons or he's referring to the

1041
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,040
electrons, which means he knows 
about positive and negative 

1042
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,120
charge. 
So he knows fundamentally about 

1043
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,840
electricity and magnetism. 
He knows about charge, Coulomb's

1044
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,080
law, and they have some 
rudimentary form of 

1045
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,400
understanding the mechanics of 
chemicals and chemical bonds. 

1046
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
OK, yeah, yeah. 

1047
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,200
So you can't tell me that he 
doesn't know about electricity 

1048
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,760
and magnetism. 
That's very interesting. 

1049
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,680
He has to know about light. 
He has to know that light. 

1050
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,400
Is a manifestation of this, of 
this thing that was like 

1051
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:01,480
immediate to us in the 1800s 
when we figured out that the 

1052
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,040
electricity and magnetism are 
governed by Maxwell's equations 

1053
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:07,360
and the speed of light just pops
out. 

1054
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,560
The second thing, like along 
that vein, you're manipulating 

1055
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,840
xenon. 
Xenon is a pretty heavy element,

1056
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,800
right? 
Okay, right. 

1057
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,160
I think it's like 54 or 
something like that on the right

1058
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,680
hand side when you're 
manipulating heavy elements. 

1059
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Relativistic corrections become 
ever so important in chemistry 

1060
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,840
because the heavier an element 
is, the faster the electrons are

1061
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,840
moving. 
The electrons move close to the 

1062
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,960
speed of light. 
And now the chemistry of that 

1063
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,560
material has everything to do 
with the fact that as electrons 

1064
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,560
move closer to the speed of 
light, they get heavier, which 

1065
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,200
means they're going to the atom 
is going to get smaller, which 

1066
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,040
means they're going to shield 
the nucleus more, which means 

1067
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,080
the outer electrons are going to
do weird things. 

1068
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,920
That's why gold is the color it 
is. 

1069
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:56,200
That's why mercury is liquid. 
And that's, I think if if he's 

1070
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,560
manipulating Xenonite at that 
fidelity, at that scale, there's

1071
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,480
no way that they don't 
understand relativity. 

1072
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,720
It's a very compelling argument.
I'm just saying like, no, it's a

1073
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:08,760
very. 
Compelling argument. 

1074
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,080
You can't. 
Be that good at. 

1075
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Material Science. 
And not know the fundamentals of

1076
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,760
our universe. 
OK, It's not like like physics 

1077
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,080
is not something like, oh, I 
only need quantum mechanics. 

1078
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,400
Well, no, in order to do that 
level of quantum mechanics, you 

1079
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,520
need to understand like electron
spin. 

1080
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,960
Where does electron spin come 
from? 

1081
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,600
That's from relativity. 
So I just don't buy that 

1082
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,480
argument that just because he's 
he uses echolocation, it means 

1083
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,840
that, oh, he doesn't know about 
relativity, he doesn't know 

1084
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,400
about light. 
We don't see the strong nuclear 

1085
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,320
force and yet we understand it 
pretty well, Right, Right, 

1086
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,480
right. 
And also the it's it's it's. 

1087
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,240
One of those things where even 
if you you're not, it's sort of 

1088
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,160
your part of your point is like 
you would have stumbled upon it 

1089
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,200
indirectly. 
Yeah. 

1090
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,160
Even if you weren't trying to 
discover it directly. 

1091
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Yes, yeah. 
Perhaps we had an easier time 

1092
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,520
because we. 
Live in an environment where we 

1093
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,320
can see things, where light 
travels long distances and blah 

1094
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,560
blah blah. 
But I'm saying if they have the 

1095
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,480
fidelity of material science 
ability, right, that they do in 

1096
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,040
the movie, there's just no way 
that they haven't stumbled upon 

1097
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,560
something as fundamental as 
relativity. 

1098
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,280
This is this is a hot take you 
got to hear fresh. 

1099
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,440
Off fresh off the griddle. 
Just don't think it makes sense.

1100
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,400
Which if and if that's it, 
that's. 

1101
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Really good. 
That's it, That's it, which is 

1102
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,400
really good and. 
To be fair, I don't mind that 

1103
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,120
this was part of the plot point,
OK, Because I understand when it

1104
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,120
comes to like doing science 
fiction and art, you have to be 

1105
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,440
able to, you know, take a little
bit out. 

1106
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,880
And because I think it's a it's 
a big part of the plot that 

1107
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,600
Rocky has extra fuel, yes, 
because he didn't take into 

1108
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,680
account the fact that relativity
makes his right trip shorter, 

1109
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,680
right? 
So he had like overcompensated 

1110
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:53,640
and has a. 
Lot more. 

1111
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,840
Fuel, which is why he can give 
some to Ryan Gosling. 

1112
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,240
So I don't mind. 
I'm just pointing it out, right?

1113
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,480
And I don't wanna. 
I don't think this takes away 

1114
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,600
from how much I enjoyed the film
and how much I enjoyed the 

1115
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,200
science behind the film. 
There's still so much that made 

1116
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,840
me think as a scientist. 
And to be fair, this also made 

1117
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,920
me think a lot. 
Yeah, so I very much enjoyed it.

1118
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,960
I would recommend it to anyone 
and let me know if you guys 

1119
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,920
think my take about relativity 
is correct. 

1120
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,120
I would be curious to see those 
comments. 

1121
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,960
We have gone long on this 
Rundown episode. 

1122
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,320
Thank you all for joining us for
another week of fascinating 

1123
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,160
stories. 
We did not include a segment of 

1124
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,600
Are You Smarter Than a 
Scientist? 

1125
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,920
Because we were so loaded with 
actual stories to cover. 

1126
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,720
We will be sure to bring that 
back in the next Rundown. 

1127
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,840
I'm your host, Lester Naray, 
joined as always by my cohost 

1128
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and our resident PhD, Krishna 
Chowdhury. 

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We will see you all next week.