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we've been getting more comments, more just responses
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We truly appreciate that. You know, every day when we
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And sometimes it definitely doesn't feel like that because
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the plan for that week ahead of time.
So we have been working on creating a much better structure
so that you guys don't get that. And so today we kind of have, I
don't know, I, I liked where we were just talking before.
It made me laugh because I was remembering, you know, that our
show has kind of grown through our comments and change because
like we started with, we had background music throughout our
entire show. Tripping everybody out.
Because we're like, Oh my God, I was just really chill vibes.
Like it's just like a chill hangout sesh.
And then just so many of the comments were like, am I am I
high? Is is there?
You think about it, dude, like if you went and hung out with
this one guy and he's always smoking weed and you're like,
yeah, but he only has one song playing the entire.
Time. God, it would be so.
Bad. That's going to be fucking
weird. Yeah.
And so it was just like, oh, man, we didn't realize that at
first because it was this, oh, this sounds cool.
We like it. It's a it's a vibe.
And some people are like, oh, that's chill.
And other people are like, I can't understand what you're
saying. And our mic audio wasn't the
best. And you know a.
Lot's changed, a lot has changed, but it's been good.
And, and Speaking of, I, I'm excited about today's
conversation because you know, brand, we, we do, we do
research, we think about things that, you know, possibly would
incite some type of thought provocating, you know,
conversations possibly amongst you guys.
So Brandon had this idea and I was like, man, you, you need to
introduce it, man. So we're going to talk today.
It's called TikTok therapy, or I guess you could say social media
therapy, but I would guess more leaning TikTok therapy and how
how it's gone. Like is it more helpful or is it
more misguided? Because we've seen a really
large emerging trend of like mental health and mental mental
Wellness. Like everyone's speaking on all
of these things. And like there's a broad
emergence of that versus, well, I mean go back how many years
and it was probably only expert panels or you know, specific
experts in that field that would talk at conferences or.
Or perceived experts. You know.
If you could, if you could be intelligent in your speech,
persuasive with your language and charismatic with your
actions, people would would gravitate towards you.
That's why Tony Robbins and stuff, but not even life
coaches. And I want to get into those
too, because you know, I, I, I'm and, and before we get in there,
like what, what is your opinion on that like overall right now
before we get started? Life coaches.
No on on TikTok therapy the concept.
I think that that's in a world that we live in where I feel
there's so much disconnect and like from humans and there is a
lot of need for like real therapy, finding people to talk
to, stuff like that. I think there is great benefit,
but I think there's a lot of misdirection, a lot of
misguidance, a lot of, hey, well, your algorithm just pushes
this because you watch this. So yes, is there insight?
It's it's like chat, you know, can you gain tools or insights
or use it as a tool? 100% Could it be a piece of shit
and spit out garbage in that all day long?
Absolutely. 100% so it's, you know, for someone where maybe
they've never considered therapy or maybe they've never even
thought about some of these issues, maybe it sparks a
curiosity or conversation in their head or with a friend or a
loved one or even that interest of, hey, maybe I should talk to
someone or maybe I do need to get help.
Or like, I think there's so much value in that.
And maybe there, there are, of course there are, there's always
the good and the bad. So that there's going to be a
few people out there who are brilliant people who are great
therapists, who have amazing insights and maybe they take
some of their time and they put it on Tiktok.
Is that going to be every single person?
Is that going to be every single video?
I would be really highly doubtful because even in the
stuff that it was looking at, it said, the one that kind of threw
me out, it said a study of 500 Tiktok mental health videos
found that 83.7% of those were misleading and only 9% of the
videos were from qualified medical or professionals in that
field or area of expertise. Now, I mean, would I be a
qualified professional in a cannabis field?
I, I don't consider myself that. I don't know if any real person
in that field would either. So in that form where we put out
cannabis content, would we be considered in that same
classification or like what you know, so I'm there is a form of
infotainment that can be valuable?
Which is what this is. Yeah.
And that that might even lead within the therapy or mental
health realms, you know, that there is a form of infotainment
that is valuable, but it's the how much of our stuff do we
check? You know, how much, how much of
the videos or things that we watch or hear or the data we
learn? Do we do we check?
Do we try and go even at all go? Is this credible?
Is this a source? Is there is there another
source? Is there?
You know, what's the what's the second click down on Google?
What's the third click down? What's the fourth click down?
What what is second page row 3 give you?
Like how much do we go into it on our curiosity is versus just
like, well, I heard this in the statistic and then we perpetuate
that or share it and, you know, then it's, it's this whole thing
of TikTok mental health, you know, and what is the algorithm
showing you? Because what was the last thing
that you saw? Yeah, I agree.
I agree. What is your perspective on?
I appreciate you sharing that because I you know, I feel that
very much this very, very similar to what you had just
stated. On top of that, what I see it
being useful for is hacks tips. Those are good.
Those are great. When going into self diagnosis,
that can be a big issue for me. Anything like one of the things
that pops up in my mind that makes me very hesitant on
anybody seek it. It should be the first point of
contact, but unfortunately, there's multiple contact points.
And it's really hard, especially for a mind that is in pain, a
mind that is confused. You are having difficulties with
identity. That's going to be something
that needs to go in difficult. Now, am I saying that all
therapists are created equal? Hell, no.
Not all doctors are created equal.
Not all doctors are hacks. Not all doctors feel like they
work for big Pharma. Like the last one I saw where
I'm like, hey, take my blood instead of the blood pressure
medication because I know this because I've learned this from
other doctors. And he goes, no, we're going to
give you these meds. And I'm like, yeah, but when you
see things, that's really easy to be manipulated over there or
to get advice that is completely wrong.
I would say above mental health is just health in general.
Dietary stuff. Like people are like, oh, you
could live off of nothing but potatoes.
Yeah, that guy's system could live off of nothing but
potatoes. Not just mental health, but
there's like, but there's a. Correlation.
Health or specialist that is not an actual specialist.
Now that we've got TikTok, the TikTok mental health or Tik.
T.O.K well, I I guarantee this we're like coffee enemas started
like people are like addicted to coffee enemas like they like to.
There's nothing like a coffee enema like what roast are you
using 'cause I this is like you know what's up my ass, but I
could totally taste it in my mouth.
I'd only heard that from my uncle who's like when my wife
had cancer and it was too, you'd use a coffee enema to help
remove the toxins 'cause I guess it was supposed to be really
good at helping cancer patients remove toxins or something.
So. But again, I mean, it's it.
That was the only, but I can't imagine using it even in that
sense. It's felt weird.
But I'm like, I guess if you've got cancer and you're dying and
you've tried everything, like, yeah, you're probably gonna
squirt some coffee up your asshole.
Like at that point, what won't you try, you know?
Brandon didn't even need to have cancer.
Nope, just thinking like that. Why do you think I started
roasting my own beans, taking it to the next level?
Like stringing them together, I'm like, what are you doing?
But anyways, no to, to pull back to.
But yeah, I, I feel that those things are helpful.
But when I start seeing that the one thing is mimicry and
depression, especially where I remember you had somebody close
to you, they had suicidal ideations and they were on
TikTok and other places with other people that weren't
helping, but they were actually making it worse.
They are feeding into it and it is.
That's part of the side effect of being constantly connected.
Is this unconfirmed bias like you will just go well, yeah, but
they. And if the algorithm shows it,
well then. It's gonna keep pushing it.
You know it's well your your field gets an error or an error
cause your comments become this we're.
Guaranteed after this conversation, go on to Facebook
and you'll be seeing ads for mental health things and then
your videos will be more guided towards it.
And that's understandable. That's the thing why AI has been
such a good useful tool in this way, because now AI is starting
to scrub it. So if you find it not enjoyable,
I use that vote feature and report it constantly.
If I see something, I'm like, Nope, misinformation, sexually
inappropriate. Like the YouTube stuff where
people are constant, like the only fans girls are constantly
on there. Like, yeah, dude, they'll use it
where they're, they're getting away with showing partial
nudity, but it's just a link to get to their own page.
And so when they're doing that, I mean, I've got my kids on
there. I just want my kids to focus on
kids shit, that's all. But I see it now where I worry
about my children and their mental health.
Would I seek those out? No, I, I will say like in one
area and and then I'll pass it back to you.
ADHD. It's not necessarily that what I
put the best content I've seen on that one.
It's been acknowledging symptoms and behaviors that ADHD people
have, and that has been interesting because it's not
prescribing. It's like, hey, you feel like
this because I feel like this, yeah.
And you go, it becomes a lot of self diagnosis and there's, you
know, hypochondriac is. Which is funny because of that.
Unless this and. I don't do that anymore.
But you've gone more to chat where you're like, hey.
No, I don't even do that anymore.
I try not to because the. I was going to say that kind of
helped you through it some. Yeah, because it was hey, here's
what I'm feeling and and this is what I was thinking.
Do I need to do this? And it's like, oh, no, you're
you're good. This is your side effects of
your medications, like try this. Oh, OK.
Yeah, that's why I've gone less and less.
To and so then it's that realization in your head of
like, hey, maybe some of those things my my paranoia or fears
that were coming out yeah, they're like justified.
But maybe it's not necessary because this is 99.9% of the
time. Is is maybe this?
Yeah, because if you look at the cited information, if I see Wall
Street Journal or Newsweek, it's all fucking hyperbole.
Yeah, every single bit of it. If it's in a major publication,
I don't trust it one bit. Who, Which major person is
funding that? Yeah.
If there's an actual study behind it, I'm like, OK, cool, I
want to follow that doctor. Yeah.
And then I'll find out what else they'll.
Get this study because often times.
That's a dry read, yeah. OK, it is dry, but it's, it's
just to go, what did they pull from this?
Because a lot of that data that the, the claim states are there
like the newsletter states, I'm like, this is not what your data
said. So you're pulling this really
skewed stuff. And then I look at that and I'm
like it. It is a very dry read, but it
really helps me understand that like.
Well, I take. This is a very skewed article.
Exactly what I do is I take it and I I draw, I download the
whole study and drop it into chat saying I need you to give
me the top points in simplistic form.
And I don't want to go through all the data sets.
I just want to know where do they start?
What was the middle? That sounds brilliant.
Save me so much time in reading. Because I need to know like.
I do too, that's why I read the data set 'cause I'm like that's.
What's helped me with it? That would save so much time in
the streamline of the work process, because then I don't
have to read all the data sets and go, all right, what does
this actually say? It can go.
This is what was concluded from here and here's what the data
sets showed versus what their conclusion showed versus what
their can. You break it down in the graph,
can you put it into a grid? And it'll do all that.
And that's understanding and wielding it in a way that it's
productive. But when you look at mental
health, like the ADHD thing I was talking about, there's a
content creator. I don't know her name, but she
said something on one of I just came across it and I was like, I
watched it again and I thought about it and I'm like, yeah,
that's pretty good. It talked about how dopamine
deficient ADHD, which is done by studies.
So it's not hyperbole, but the cool part about it was denying
yourself gratification. So people with who
neurodivergence, you could say we typically have lower
dopamine. So we're constantly doing
things, we constantly have projects, we do tons of stuff.
We're extremely physical because it's the only way to get all
that, that constant go, go, go, go, go mentality.
But the one thing that we do is we seek out behavior such as
scrolling on your phone, playing video games for a long period of
time, smoking way too much cannabis and, and not for
medical reasons. You're just like, because I've
got 5 minutes, you find yourself trying to just get dopamine
hits. That's where you see people who
are severely addicted to porn. Where I used to laugh about this
guy at this church where he showed up to talk about the the
dangers of porn and that he lost his job for it and his wife was
there too. And all I'm thinking is like,
this poor son of a bitch is having to pour his heart out and
do it in front of his wife when she gets home.
I'm, I'm all I'm thinking, 'cause I'm always thinking like
comedian or she gets home. She's like, yeah, phone.
Right. Fuck yeah.
I told you I just spoke to a bunch of people.
I don't do that anymore. Yeah, yeah, we'll see.
I've got the phone and the guy lost his job and I'm thinking
this poor bastard is beaten off like five times a day.
His Dick is raw his his right forearm is dragging behind him
'cause his massive that. Quagmire, Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. Twice the size what we're we
haven't seen you in a week. There's fat.
Why man, watching that Internet? But it, it did totally.
But but now I understand that these behaviors and so I started
to do research from there and trying to find it.
And So what I, what I think of those is that if you see
something social media, it's a great starting point to start to
investigate, to look, to search beyond this thing.
It triggers in your mind because when I see something now that
seems too good to be true, I copy paste and I drop it into
chat and I said, hey, what's the validity of this claim?
And then it goes down like I've applied to jobs and then looked
at the company. Oh yeah.
And then they go, hey, you want to schedule an interview?
Said no, I changed my mind. Yeah.
Because I find, I mean, it's, it's doing a little bit more and
but the, the mental health side, man, it's, it's a tricky, it's
tricky. It is.
That was the thing that it brought up.
Like looking into it is a lot of like that symptom lists where
they give people this and then they're like, oh, or creating
things or you know, like, hey, there's no introversion.
It's just depression. Or social anxiety.
Yeah, so putting these labels on you of like, hey, you're not
this, you're this or maybe I am that.
OK, well, now you know, and then they're creating these labels or
then creating these patterns or that because, well, now I'm
this, so I got to be this way and.
Yeah. And then you see it negatively.
Yeah. And then you see it starts to
materialize. Here's one that's really weird.
I don't know if you looked at it Trets.
So do you know what Trets is right?
We we know. That definition.
Hollywood version, You know where I'm sitting there and I'm
talking to you and go you. Swear.
Yeah. Freak out or yell or you know.
So there's a lot of Tourette syndrome content creators where
they share what? Living with is like, yeah.
And then oddly enough, through mimicry and kids being kids,
they have caused damage to themselves by developing ticks
because they do repetitive actions.
They're becoming ingrained into your Physiology and your
behaviors. So it's not, it's not psychosis.
No, it's, it's mimicry that turns into like, there's,
there's things that I do all the time.
These are not because it's a, it's a tick.
It's a subconscious thing at this point because it's been so
much of you for. So they've had a bunch of
teenagers not only have these weird ticks all the sudden
because it was more play, but then all the sudden, dude,
they're being hospitalized because they can't stop these
ticks. And now medications are being
brought in because you got to re reprogram the mind.
So mental illness isn't something you can catch, but you
can also develop certain types of behaviors that take over that
are negative. And I don't see that as a mental
health thing. I think it is a learned behavior
that goes over it. It's a lot like growing up in a
crime ridden area, Like we know nothing about that.
We grew up in in a very and I'm I love that people go, oh man,
you don't know hard. Yeah.
Thank you. Yeah, I'm very thankful for
that. Right.
Like I mean, I grew up in a ghetto of orb.
I didn't have to worry about my house getting shot up or someone
breaking in. Like yeah, we had a security
system, but I always. Find security.
Yeah. It's like it's gonna be really
loud while they beat you to death.
I'm like, it's great that it calls the people who call the
cops, but like. I wanted to like shoot like
trapping foam that instantly hard.
It just sprays them. They get it, you're over, you're
going. Intruder caught my front door.
Right. I quit in the world and then I
went and sold security later. But my parents like we got ours
installed in the 90s. Yeah, but you know, the thing
too is that. Who wasn't getting There was no
going. On but that's that's another son
like earlier. So you can see like mass, mass
mass hysteria compared to localized hysteria like people
like your parents, like here in Utah, rarely there were
burglaries. I know well my dad's parents
never locked to their doors to their house, never locked their
cars, and their keys were always left in the ignition.
My dad grew up that way. I grew up going down there and
their home was always unlocked. Their keys were always in their
ignition until my grandparents died.
Like that was just always how it was.
It's like security companies conspired to be able to get you
to buy shit from a fear that's not.
Real. It's fear mongering and going oh
shit. And there are some areas that
are more rundown and totally ghetto.
But The thing is most people who break into your home know you.
They know what you have. No one's just going wandering
house to house, usually looking in the windows going shit, what
do they have? Do you think they have more than
like $1000 somewhere? Do you think I could break in
and hunt their whole home like? Yeah, people don't keep loose
cash. They don't do those things.
But no, it's it's the mimicry that you see on there that can
be harmful. But I know that there's other
things like what? What are some good things that
you think you've been able to find through there?
Because I don't play on TikTok. I don't do a ton of it,
honestly. There is like there are some
licensed professionals. There's one doctor, Sasha
Hamdani, the psych Dr. MD, he uses TikTok to educate,
normalize symptoms and direct people to proper care.
A lot of them do like breathing exercises, grounding techniques
or explaining symptoms to just help people identify potential
concerns and stuff. So like those can be good if
they point you in the right direction or that, but like it's
a bittersweet, you know, it's like the Internet, there's the
good, there's the bad. It's it's YouTube, it's
anywhere. There's there's missed
information, misdirection, and then there's other information.
And it can be hard to differentiate for you what what
the best is like, Hey, what is actually real?
What what am I supposed to follow here?
You know, because you see one video that says this and then
Fox News says this, and then, you know, this other one says
this. You know, what do I do?
You know, and sometimes we. Just And now it's even harder
because then you go, well, I don't trust the mainstream
media, but I trust Sasha 6942. Yeah.
And you know what? I.
Or cannabis school. Yeah, yeah, I get all my
information from there. This any, any information you
find should be just the tip of where you start.
Curiosity. Yeah.
And then explore deeper to be able to fully understand it.
Like that's what we have done with cannabis school.
We want to know as much as we can about the plant.
And you know, I I'm not arrogant by any means.
I don't think anybody in the cannabis world should be
arrogant about their knowledge of cannabis.
But you realize how much you know, after so much time when
you're talking to somebody and they ask you a question.
Oh, yeah. And they're going well.
I don't take it because I get tired.
What kind are you taking? What?
What way are you taking like? Oh, I've tried them all.
Yeah, I've tried all the gummies at the counter.
You. Tell me you've tried them all.
We've been running a cannabis show for four years and we've
not even scratched the surface. Like don't give me that crap,
dude. It was like this one guy I
bought AI bought a bag of gummies for him because he's
like, oh, I don't know if I want to get a medical Corp, could you
give me some gummies? I'm like, yeah, dude, meet me
over at Kira and I went got him that and he left it in his.
Car and it melted into a gelatinous mess.
Yep. And I'm like, well, good luck
with that. So then he just spit off pieces.
That's Yep, that's what happens. That's. 5 milligrams one time,
65 next time, right? I mean, he doesn't, he's not
smart, but you know, that's the thing it's it's being able to
take a lot of this advice and that's what it is advice.
But I, I've seen the, the most helpful content when it comes to
that is not necessarily telling me what to do, but kind of
getting like an understanding of like I, I've felt like this or
I've seen these things and you may notice.
And the, the reason, the reason why I got so behind 12 shapes is
it's been the first behavioral system that doesn't make you
feel like you're bad at something.
The disk model, strength, Finder, color code, all these
ones, Myers Briggs, all of those they go about.
Here's what you're great at, here's where you suck at.
I don't know if it's necessarily that we suck at them.
We're just not good at them because sometimes it's not been
our focus. It's not been.
But that's the thing. The best strong suit is but.
I think that what it does is it's misguiding because the
misguiding is it's telling you like, hey, it's like, you know,
yeah, yeah. Is there going to be a Spud Webb
in the NBA anytime soon? Probably not.
And for those who don't know, Spud Webb was 59 and played in
the NBA and could dunk. He could dunk.
That's a mad hops he's. Short.
Yeah, 'cause I was 510 3/4 because, you know, every little
bit mattered and I could barely, like I could nick the rim, but I
could never dunk. It was.
I could dunk. I would spend hours trying to,
but just practice. He is A1 in billions of
percentile who has that? And so it's it's this misleading
thing where somebody would be like, I really want to be the
CEO of a company and where life coaches come in and business
coaches come in. And this is part of a good.
This is a big area that I feel kind of molds right into the
same thing because it sets up false expectations and false
beliefs where somebody's going to be like, yeah, you'll be ACEO
of a company, but maybe you're not built for that.
Maybe it's you're wired different and let's see where
you fit in that company. Like I was having a discussion
with a guy yesterday and I said, you know, I'm a real good #2 I
don't like being number one in a company.
And he goes, really why? And I'm like, because I'm the
idea guy, I'm the get engaged with the people side.
I'm a good president of a company.
I would never be a good CEO because I know that if I was the
CEO, then the day-to-day decisions have to come down to
me. And I don't want to do that.
I just don't want to do that. What I want to do is the ideas.
I want to drive it, want to grow it, but I don't want to be
responsible for it, if that makes sense.
But there's too many of them, like Grant Cardone, Tony
Robbins, you know, what's his name?
The guy, the blue eyed British Indian dude who says he was a
monk and he really wasn't Jay Shetty.
Like there's Jay Shetty who has grown in this space of life
coaching and all that stuff. And he, he did it all off of a
lie. He said, Oh, I was a monk.
He he went past their problem. It's it's like, you know, saying
like I work for Microsoft because I have AI, was a
contractor. Class and you know.
Oh, no, there's a lot. I mean, and it was before those
and that's those things like master.
Oh, what, what are they called masterminds?
What was his nuts? Which one?
That one guy. Oh, the master.
Oh, which one? Dolan Circle or fucking don't
remember his name. Yeah, John.
And then the other one. Yeah, John Kovac.
And I thought he bounced off of another mastermind that was
before that. Yeah, 'cause he used to claim
like, oh, I'm the youngest guy to be able to ever lead
masterminds. I'm like.
But when I, when we went to the mastermind group, I was really
surprised that it was just a bunch of people who were trying
to start a business that had never been in business before.
And we're attempting for the first time and we're still
pretty new. And I'm like, this just feels
like a networking event where people are paying to try and
learn. But you're still pretty new to
business too, so. Or the ones I would go to, where
they were, they were all like, what's his name?
Napoleon Hill. Like groupies?
Eat or grow? Eat.
Think and grow rich. Yeah, I, I think there is value
in stuff, but it's the problem with some of the life coaches or
ones like that is when they tell people that, I mean, you can be
anything you can now, will you be the best version of that?
Not necessarily, because I think we do each have our strong suits
and our areas of expertise that we're more more fitted for that
We're like, hey, yeah, you probably could be everything.
You could be an NBA, whatever. If you spend a lot of time and
that you might not be the best. You might be like bottom string.
You might barely scrape in there somehow.
If you spent 40 hours a week practicing, if you did this, you
might be able to do that. Yeah, you might be able to be
the CEO, but your company isn't going to be big and it's
successful. It's not going to be this large
thing. And instead of going, hey, yes,
let's help you do this. Go what is it that you're trying
to accomplish or gain from that? What is it that you're looking
to achieve from being ACEO or gain or get from that?
You know, is it the title? What are you wanting from that
title? Is it respect?
Is it like, what is it that you're trying to get from that
title? Is there another way to help you
achieve this without going, maybe this isn't your best
strong suit, but you could do this and maybe still achieve
those things you're looking for and feel that value, that
respect that whatever you're trying to achieve and accomplish
without necessarily having to do it in the route that you're
thinking. Because that might not be your
best strong suit. You're really fucking strong
here. And you could do this here and
see that like see those skills and that value without having
to, because wouldn't that be what a life coach is, is
coaching you how to be successful in life?
And that might not necessarily be the CEO or the like the dream
that we've built in our mind. It might be something totally
different. Yeah, and that's the hard thing
too. It's, you know, before what life
coaching was was being able to systematize your life, to put
yourself on a schedule, checks and balances, which are all very
good, you know, but the side of like, can anybody be anything?
I disagree. I don't think you should.
I don't know that. You should.
I don't even think you should explore it.
I think that this is this is the reason reason why I would say
something like that. We've got a massive amount of
student debt in this world for people who have that exact same
idea. Yeah, like I'm gonna do this.
That's. What I'm saying?
So what do they say? It's like. 76% of people who
graduate do not use their degree, 76%.
I would wait for that, yeah. Because most of like most people
that I know, unless they are a medical professional, like a
doctor or an attorney or an accountant, an accountant or
like an architect or an engineer, or if you go into like
some bioengineering or something, those specifics.
But even then, I found quite a few of them that don't even
utilize their degree still and are in a whole different field
or area. And so even those that you would
figure more would be you still find it.
So I would wager, yeah, 100% you would see 76 or more of people
who don't utilize their degree because it's not valuable in or,
or they don't find the purpose that they were hoping from it.
Like, Hey, I really, I was trying to be this basketball
player, this CEO or this thing or yeah.
And, and I didn't feel 6 like I didn't find value and I didn't
find purpose. I woke up and I hated my life
every day. Like how many people do that?
And they're like, oh, you're having a middle life crisis.
Well, maybe you just tried to live someone else's dream Going,
I need to do this for so long and woke up one day going fuck.
You know, I really like just putting together bikes and
selling them. Or I just like making coffee or
I like, I like working with my hands.
I'm going to go be a plumber. Well.
You know, whatever it is, because it was the realization
of like all these things that we were told you had to do, it
didn't necessarily equate to your happiness.
Well, and that's the thing too, It's always keeping up with the
Joneses and that's where I find that a lot of these social media
life coaches, business coaches or any of that or mental health
coaches, because that's what you are when you.
Subscribe to my course. Yeah, subscribe to my course.
Like, like the ADHD girl, like, I like some of her, her content.
It's kind of funny. And then she goes.
I'm also an ADHD coach and I'm like, there's, there's the,
there's the rub, right? And it's instead like I would
see these content creators, the content creators that do really,
really well are the ones who are not asking for anything.
They're putting out content. They just put out the content
that can be helpful. One of the most favorite ones I
ever saw. And I don't even have anything
wrong with this part other than I'm getting older and I have
diabetes. An optometrist.
Hilarious, content, hilarious. Like this one where he talks to
himself and he's like, yeah, I'm going to help out my patient,
but I got to put it into the insurance to make sure you're
doing that. He goes, wait a minute.
I thought you're. I thought you're practicing
medicine. Yeah, but the insurance has to
sign off on it. So let me get this right.
You have to wait on the insurance to be able to make
sure that this medical claim can actually be taken care of.
And he goes, yeah, so that would be practicing medicine.
It goes. So the insurance companies
practice medicine. They do.
Doctors give suggestions. Yep, I learned that with my
dad's last procedure on his back because he was like, cool, well,
they've submitted this to the insurance and they're waiting to
hear back on and what will be approved or not.
And we'll see whether they allow this procedure to be done or if
they try and make us do this other one that isn't
recommended. But for the insurance, it's
cheaper. So that's what they would
recommend because it might not be the best for the body, but in
the long run it's going to cost the insurance less.
So it's not about what's best for the human body, it's about
what's going to keep more money in your insurance company's
pocket. And that brings me right back to
the TikTok stuff. Sorry, things like a little I'm
chasing it. It is the unconfirmed bias.
You know when you you should get multiple if you're going to be
looking at content on there. If they say five ways to make
your ADHD more livable, maybe skirt away from it.
The ones that are just talking more about, hey, this is what
it's like there. Here's some things that have
worked for me. Yeah, and making statements of I
instead of this. Well there that's what I've
liked because my youngest was always told by doctors and
everyone else that she has ADHD and the first thing was OK well
we should put her on caffeine pills because caffeine has the
opposite effect on her the other.
So she was on caffeine pills and it was amazing.
She worked just fine and then her mom moved her out of the
state which of course allowed her to go well I don't need your
approval. So now methadone is, are the,
you know, pharmaceutical meth is now going to be provided.
So yeah, so then she was on that, but there was still hyper
outbursts, all these things and no difference in focus or
personality or all she did was lose her appetite, feel less
like herself and didn't gain anything from it.
Now she's been back with me for over 2 years.
She's not had any of that for over 2 years and yet she's had
great grades in school. Her teachers love her.
No complaints, never outbursts or this or that.
It's no, she's quiet. She's like fantastic.
She learns, she's like she's a very good student.
And yet for when she was young and that and that was not what
was, you know, the doctors were, oh, you need to put this or do
this. And and then her mom wanted to
get her on that. And it's looking at it going,
but Emily's where we're going. TikTok that Emily had sent me
videos that were like people with ADHD.
And the lady was like, oh, things for me that are really
hard is like picking out my outfit, making sure like doing
this things. And she's like, so for me, I
just have these clear bins for me that makes it easier because
I can just like kind of go, oh, OK, versus just feeling
overwhelmed because I can't see everything or do that.
And I was like, Oh, well, that might be a really simple change
or something that I could do that might make an easier effect
for Addison. And just maybe with how her
brain works, like there might not be a need for medication.
Maybe I just have to help work with how her brain works.
Totally going. Well, what works for you?
Do you work this way? Well, if I can make these things
visible for you, does that make it easier?
OK, well, if it's easier, then who cares?
Like, what theme, what tool, what you know, like you said,
skills or tools that they can use or provide going This has
really helped me. OK, well, shit.
Yeah. I kind of struggle with that.
Would that tool or that little simple change help me?
Could I impact my life by by doing this really simple thing?
You know, I, I like that aspect of it going and I've pulled that
from a lot of things, even on TikTok or other books, you know,
everywhere where it's like, oh shit.
But that's good. It what it is, is a perspective
and it doesn't have a motive. And that's where I see those who
are saying five ways to do this or 1010 things that you're doing
wrong with ADHD and how to fix them.
Like anybody giving you a solid claim of this works.
Be very wary of that, especially when it comes to ADHD.
But depression? And they say it's a spectrum on
all these things. So 100% then it's looking at it
going, well, where on this spectrum am I supposedly?
And where on that spectrum are they versus like if it was
videos going, here's 5 things I struggle with and here's how I
deal with them. Cool.
I really struggle with this and I found when I do this, it's
kind of helped me and I don't know.
And then you're going, I struggle with that, not self
diagnosing, but like, damn, I know that I struggle with this
issue. I I see this issue or this
reoccurrence often in my life and I know that for me, I struck
like, that's hard. Damn, I've never thought about
this approach. I've never even thought about
trying that thing. And then you'd be more inclined
to look into the creator. Yes.
And then if you found the creator had a course and you'd
be like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, I take that.
I like how they approached these things or how they worked with
their struggles. Not man they were diagnosed by a
doctor or self diagnosed through TikTok and a checklist of hey
I've got this. But like man I really struggle
with this because all growing up apparently doctors told my
parents that we had ADHD, that I had ADHD, that I should be on
meds. And that was apparently what my
dad was told and his family was told.
And then I look at it and I go, OK, well, if instead it was,
hey, I'm diagnosed with this. And this is what I, you know,
well, it's not this is ADHD, it's this is how I struggle.
And this is what I'm struggling with.
And this is what I found helps me sometimes because this is
really fucking hard for me to do.
Maybe you guys have struggles with this.
Have you found something that works good for you?
Because maybe there's a better way than what I'm doing, like
how many of us do at that approach versus going, man, I'm
diagnosed with this and this means this, this, this, this,
this. Because clinically this
checklist says I've got this. Well it's it's like people who
will use the DSM 5 as their like standpoint of like absolute
surety. Like this was said by this
therapeutic board. I don't care.
I have a hard time with actual therapists.
I think that they are few and far between.
Because it's all individual based.
Yeah, 100%. And if you are a person who is
extremely empathetic and has a great time and connecting with
people, go towards therapy, something towards that, because
you have a gift. When I see somebody who's cold
and methodical and treating it like they're an eye surgeon to
somebody over there, like you can't, you can't DSM your five
your way out of this, then it becomes this weird like biblical
standard. Well, we're, we're putting the
human on the other side and we're taking away the humanity
and we're putting him in this checklist or a box and going
here is how I fix this. Prescribe this, do 10 Hail Marys
and touch your toes three times and spin in a circle and you'll
be healed. Well, it's not even the heal
part. It's just like the the idea of
that you aren't OK. Like there are things about you,
there's quirks and personality traits and behaviors.
Oh, because of the diagnosis you're not OK.
Yeah, you're not OK. Like a lot of them start to be
Well, like, because then you get the other part where you going?
Well, did you get diagnosed? I mean, most people are
undiagnosed ADHD, whatever. And, and honestly, it's just a
way for us to put labels on things so we can make sense of
it. Because if it's just happening.
It's different and we don't people don't like different.
And this world really loves labels.
We like to have a label to attach to something.
It's what do you identify as? What's your political thing?
What's your religious thing? It's what do you label yourself
as so I can identify you and feel where you fit into my list
of people. Like what are your labels?
Tell me. And it's not understanding.
Hey, like what are your struggles?
Who are you as a person? It's.
Well, and that's where it comes down to it's connection.
That's where the the part of where I was saying that I, I
don't like a lot of mental health professionals.
Yeah, is because I've, I've seen a lot of them.
I've got over 10 years of working in psych You've seen.
A lot of health stuff. Working with children to adults
and I'll tell you man like I, it is a turn style of individuals
that come through that. Yeah.
They may be nice people, yeah, but they're not built for that.
This was something. Yeah.
Yeah, this was pointed to them towards from some college
counsellor who was just like, yeah, what do you.
Want to be and how how many of us when we're that young truly
understand who we are and how we like what our strong suits and
our skill sets are and and how we connect with people and and
like I love connecting with people and talking with people
but I think therapy would be really hard to take on
everyone's. Shit and and that's where you
get a lot of these like red, I mean, does red light therapy
help? Probably, maybe do cold plunges
work? I guess you know all this.
It's trendy shit that got started.
Like honestly like people are were making a bundle of cash
making these cold tubs. Yeah, well, honestly, it I
thought it just came from the Wim Hof thing, but the thing
they missed, No, it came from before.
It's way before. That I thought the the big
massive trend of the newest came from women off because.
No, that was more like the breathing and all that stuff,
and that's died down too. Because his was more breathing
focused when I watched all his stuff.
It was the stunt. He's in the cold and yeah, it's
getting this illness out of my bloodstream or whatever, like
these things. But it was breathing.
So that's why I was very curious because.
Which is funny. Because I don't know what he is.
Kind of commercialized himself where to the point where it
killed. And that's the part that's hard
too, man. It's does it live in it?
It does it live in infamy or does it does it just fizzle?
And most of them fizzle like because it's just something
especially in our our day and age.
And that's where I see the dangers of TikTok therapy.
Is it, you know, you'll be in this constant loop of looking
for your advice through that or going straight to ChatGPT when
you haven't trained it to be able to actually engage with you
on that level and it's just going to pull whatever it can
find? It'll do whatever you ask.
Given parameters and stuff like you will get all sorts of
suggestions. And that, yeah, you got to guide
it. And we don't have a world of
connection. And that's where I see it's been
the most needed. And that's why people gravitate
towards it because it's not a dopamine high.
It's a quick fix of hope. You're smoking opium now and
you're like, OK, good. And hope is good.
Don't be wrong. Hope is good.
It gives you a little bit of stability underneath you to keep
going. But when you find people that
are like, so biased that they get all their info, all of their
medical, political, religious ideations from TikTok, you are
getting a soup of different ideas and you need to be
consistent. It's like, you know, like
there's two different ways of working out.
Either you can just work out your whole body and you'll get
some stuff done, or you can isolate and see improvement over
a period of time. Both of them serve the same
purpose. It just depends on which path
you're going to go down, what you want to do.
Do you just want to be healthy? This is a good idea.
If you really want to wreck your body and see crazy changes, do
this. But there is no right way.
And that's where I see a lot of these.
It's hard for minds that are not really discerning to be able to
go through it going, OK, yeah, that would apply like how you
were talking about. Yeah.
That's unique. I would do that.
It's like I could see one TikTok about diabetes management where
they're talking about low carbs, high fat protein and then the
next one going, I totally got rid of my type 2 diabetes eating
nothing but watermelon. And if they said that that's
dangerous because watermelon will absolutely spike your blood
sugar. So it's like, where are they
getting? And, and The thing is, they
somebody heard something. This is the funniest one, and
I'll have to send you the video, but it was about this girl who
went to BYU and I think she was studying geology and her
professor said the dinosaurs, right?
This is a weird Mormon belief. The dinosaurs actually were put
here from another planet together by God, and that's why
we find them, right? That was taught at BYU.
No, it was taught by this professor.
At BYU. Yeah.
And then, but this is the thing, you we go BYU and then we go to
any university, any university. You're gonna have a.
Fringe Professor. Taught over a pulpit or a thing
to students, it's. And they pay money for this,
yes, And that's. Yeah, and they're graded on it.
Yep. And they're not.
Graded on. That, you know, for people who
are going into that. So that's the thing.
It's like, where is the information?
Is it, do you know, be there based on experience or do you
know, based upon research, not getting a bunch of things.
That's why life coaches, even in Utah, and there's a lot of other
states too, Utah now has a law stating that life coaches are
not allowed to do therapeutic things such as EMDR.
And there was a big case here in Utah where there was a woman who
was a licensed therapist but went under life coaching.
OK, why? Well to see their methods or cuz
you saw a. License Therapist has
malpractice insurance. So they didn't need that.
Life coaches don't. Yeah.
So they got sued because this person got really depressed.
You also see BIG in the news. Do you know about that woman?
What was her name like? I got the info she was the one
that had all these kids trapped in the basement and shit.
Oh, in Utah, Yeah, I swear I read about that, but it's been a
while. Frankie something.
Frankie Munez. Frankie Nunez.
I swear that was on like TV when I was a kid at some point.
I have no idea that name. Yeah, there was this.
Oh, but they were all foster kids, weren't they?
No. No, this woman, Ruby Frankie,
Ruby Frankie had a very successful YouTube channel based
out of here in Utah, OK. And it was her extreme
parenting. Extreme.
Yeah, extreme. Like she was very like, like her
daughter called her one time there was a video and her
daughter calls her and she's doing the video and she goes,
she called me and I told her if you don't get your lunch, then
you can't have your lunch. So you got to make sure you're
being responsible for your lunch.
And I'm not taking her lunch. So we're kids doesn't have lunch
that day, which I don't know why you're doing that to a child.
Yeah. You know, if they're a teenager,
Yeah, you, whatever, you know, go, go.
Tons of years figuring this out like.
But she actually went to prison, plead guilty for four counts of
child abuse and aggravated child abuse.
But the thing was, is this woman was a life coach.
That kind of started to twist her around and this woman was
the one that she had told her about this extreme parent who
they created a business. Her kids were trapped in the
house. One of the kids escaped, ran to
a man and he had duct tape around his arms and he's like,
you can help me? Yeah.
Yeah, the kid and the guy called the cops and they found all the
other kids have been abused for years, malnourished, chained up,
taped up for for going against it.
And this the the dangers of a soft mind, you know.
And even, you know, holding therapies and stuff, there's
things that that's what I was saying.
Like when you were saying that, it just made me think of all the
things that certain parents did and it's.
That's the dangers of TikTok too, because somebody could
reintroduce that yeah, going hey, this is a really good
thing. This is fringe, but this is
it's. Like then how many parents are
like, Oh yeah, I I'd do that. I'd try that it.
Was like this one, one lady, she had this funny content and I was
like, does she have content for it?
She says she's a sex therapist, but she does yoga poses on
social media. Yeah.
Tell you how to have sex better. It's like what?
It's all about positions. It's not about connection, like,
and I'm already having questions about you.
Yeah, because you get some thirsty dudes like, well, I
wanna do all those things. Yeah.
And the woman's like, I don't want him to do any of those
things. Yeah, I don't want any of those
positions. I don't want that.
He doesn't understand me. So it's looking at both sides.
It's a double edged sword, but there's it's like content that
you create for evolution of me, you know, later on.
And when you put that out, you're doing it in a way of more
of here's a journey, here's a perspective, not here's the way.
No, it might be, hey, here's a thing that might work for you.
It might like. There's never.
Yeah, that's awesome. No, because that's awesome.
I am not an expert in any sort of fucking way.
But but you're you're, you're an engaged learner and that's more
important for other people, right?
It's, it's like where I'm at now with like one of the things I've
toyed around with because of how many people I've talked to is,
is doing more of connection coaching, not life coaching,
connection coaching, teaching you how to.
How to connect with? Humans build friends and and to
start relationships because I've had so many people that I've
worked with not unintentionally giving them advice because
they've asked and it's worked out well for him.
So I'm like, OK, cool. Is it based off of a lot of
experience? Yeah.
A lot of the behavior science. Yeah.
But I'm always in growth and I'm not thinking that I have all the
answers. And then when I meet people like
that in the life coaching industry, they go, I have all of
them. Anyone who tells you they have
all the answers, run. Yeah, like, and that's why like
what I'm creating called behavioral fusion, it's these
things can be updated, they can be changed.
These are tools. They're not the way.
It's just a tool. It's just like any other tool
that you see in a tool chest. Like going, I could use some of
that tool. That's what I want to create.
And I started coming to it because that's been the hardest
thing for me. It's like what you, you're,
you're not a life coach, but you want life experiences and by
learning from those and being honest with people and honest
with yourself and what you can be able to achieve from that I
think is exponentially better. So what I would suggest on that
side, instead of going to TikTok or anything like that, start
looking for podcasts that have these open dialogues.
That's true, yeah, you might find, because there are quite a
few experts actually, who do have shows too.
Oh, dude, so many, so many. And a lot of them are missed
because people just, it's lost in the sea of like, well, if
it's not on call her daddy. I don't know what it is.
And it's just like, you know, I, I, I'm not gonna be OK with
this. So a lot of our audience
struggles with mental health or have talked to even sent us
messages about their journeys and stuff.
And even with you guys, what have you guys found?
Like has there been a, a doctor, a podcast, a like a book, you
know, something that you have gone to that has really just
given you a tool or a skill or something to go, hey, maybe you
haven't thought of this and this might really help.
And then also, if you guys have come across some like real shady
looking Tik tokers, why don't you go and send over to us
because we'd like good laugh, be able to look at it, maybe ponder
it, maybe even have some dialogue with you.
Also would love the comments. Keep them coming and the honesty
in the comments. Dude, seriously right there on
Spotify. We think it's so cool that you
can engage with it. Get better.
Yeah. So as always, guys love you.
Catch you next week. Take care.