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And your mom? Welcome to the sesh.
Well that's fine. I could put in effort or energy,
but that is effort and energy. This took me 0 effort.
And energy, that's a great perspective.
How often do people want to do the work versus like, no, like
it's work, but yet when we do the work, that's where change
happens. That's where money, like that's
where everything happens. As with the work, going to the
gym, that's where we see, you know, it's in doing the work.
But how many people want to do the work versus just talk about
the work, you know? Because it's difficult, man.
You know, it's, it's a lot of ego shit that gets in the way.
Man. I got to tell you, I, I, I'm
doing a new training. It's level 1 through 12 shapes.
And what's really cool is that in no way shape or form has she
tried to tell us that we were wrong or that we need to think
differently. But she will give you a
different perspective. And dude, I fucking found a a
point of trauma in my life that went back to why I don't trust
others. Fucking crazy dude.
I was 5 kid wanted to write. I had this bucket seat big wheel
and it was metal had a metal frame had this cool like
rubberized front wheel. My parents were poor and
somebody gave this to us brand new.
The wheels were. Oh fuck yeah dude, it had one of
those E brake. Things.
And it wasn't plastic by any means, but I was a nice little
kid and we were living in this Section 8 housing area.
And this kid asked me if he could ride it.
Sure. And he goes, you can ride mine
because I trusted him. I got on this tricycle and I
start pedaling. It didn't have a back wheel on
the left side and it fell over. I fell forward curb check
myself. These two front teeth went this
way. The other side ones went that
way. So I knocked all the teeth out
and the teeth sliced my lip open.
Oh. Yeah.
And I come and suck like this because blood was just pouring
out. I mean, I was like, Oh my gosh,
yeah. I cover my mouth.
I'm not crying. I come inside and my mom is on
the phone. She's got 70s curly hair.
I swear to God she's wearing a moo moo.
She's probably going to kill me. No, she could have been wearing
like some pastel looking fucking pants and like some old school
like 70s cowboy looking shirt where people used to wear all
the time. Anyways, she's standing there on
the phone and what's the one thing you're told when you're a
kid? Don't bother your parent when
they're on the phone. Yep, don't talk to me, I'm on
the phone. Leave me alone, I'm on the
phone. Trying to get my mom's attention
and she's what? Splash?
My entire child mouth was full of blood and it came out like
that. My mom dropped the phone, picked
me up and took me to the sink. And from that day on, dude, I
just didn't trust people. But I didn't know that until she
took me through my first session.
Fuck. That's crazy.
And I was like, oh, and she goes, now you can let it go.
And I'm like, and this guy, another coach, he's he's in
Arizona. He started crying because he was
working with her with him and telling him he's like, when I
was a kid, I got tickets to the circus and I'm so excited about
him. And then I put him away.
But I, I think my, my mom put him somewhere else.
And the day that the scout leader who gave me these tickets
was like, OK, let's go bring your tickets.
Couldn't find my tickets. Didn't get to go.
And then this is what he said. He goes, I prayed and you
remember this thing that the constant thing with Christians
is believing that if I pray it will become and he prayed to
find his tickets and he didn't find his tickets.
Oh yeah. And you know what he did?
He's like, right then and there, my relationship with God
changed. Yeah.
And you know what? It reminded me of Grandpa's
story about the nickel. Yeah, 'cause it was like, oh, I
prayed and I found it. And that changed his
relationship with God, but 100%. Right.
And it was. But see, I think that's why I
never felt like I believed in it, because that's what my
parents would tell me. Oh, you lost something?
Go pray for it. OK, cool.
Well, I did. And I searched for hours and I
prayed for it and nothing changed.
Nothing happened. OK, well, that's like the same
thing in my mind of realizing, well, that's like all these kids
who get molested or abused or people who are raped and beaten,
praying to God, help me save me, and nothing happens.
Because if God really were to come down and go, here's your
keys, here's the thing you lost here, you're free.
Like everyone's prayers would be like changing in reality.
Exactly. And that's why I don't believe
in praying. But they've done studies on that
too. And it's like, it's great
because it makes people feel better.
But the science at the end of the day shows that it doesn't
change what the outcome is. I I think it's something that's
more philosophical than it is anything else.
A. 100% and. That's where I think it gets
the. Lines people feel better.
Well, it is. I mean, it is.
Which is OK. Like it's OK that it helps them
feel better, but is looking at it as like this?
Is really good by the way. You know, but like, if you
taught your kids, hey, if you lose something, you pray to God
and it'll help you find it versus like, you know, you're
probably going to keep looking and you're going to find it
eventually because you're going to go, what was the last place I
did? Like, you're going to think
about it. And eventually it's like, well,
I've looked everywhere. Yeah, you've looked everywhere
except where it was, obviously. It did.
The best line that I've ever heard about that was in the
movie Pulp Fiction, and there's a scene where this guy comes
out, shoots at John Travolta and Samuel Jackson, and he doesn't
hit him once. And they look at themselves and
then they look at the guy and he's got this giant 357 long
barrel magnum and dude, those bullets would have ripped off
limbs. And they're like and they kill
him, but when they turn around, all the bullets are right where
they are. OK.
So after that, Samuel Jackson's guy's like God did that and John
Travolta's like, no dude, that was a, it was a complete, it
just happened. And he goes, no, he goes, that
was divine intervention. And he goes, Jesus Christ, he
goes, don't say that bad. And he all of a sudden he's
like, you can't curse, right? You you can't say a word because
that means something that can hurt and offend the creator or
whatever. And so he says he goes, he's
like, he goes, that's not, he goes, yeah, he goes it's just
the same as if God, you know, change Coke to Pepsi.
Found your fucking car keys. I mean, he's like, and that's
the thing that I, I associated like when I was a kid going to
LDS church and I would hear somebody, they, they will have a
fast testimony meeting where people go up there like a
typical church in different wing in different Christian churches
where they go up and they, they proselytize.
Any other one? Yeah.
I've seen it a few and where, you know, people come up or they
can say something about, you know, their belief in it.
And that's where these the Mormons will come up there and
do this. But I would hear stories like I
couldn't find my pet turtle and then I prayed and I've had the
turtle or something like that. And I, I, I don't believe that,
you know, you should limit your prayer to anything.
You pray wherever you want. But The thing is, is I use it
for a different reason. And it really helps me where I'm
just like, I need you to slow down and I need you to focus on
being relaxed and being OK because being mad doesn't get
you there. So for me, prayer helps me to
get me down to a space or it make if I feel so grateful and I
have no one to tell it to, I'll just pray.
Yeah, see for. Me, it was different because
after I left Christianity, because I did.
Yeah, you did a bunch of stuff. Yeah, well, I left Mormonism
because I studied that and nothing actually felt right.
I did what they told me to. Or it was like, you pray about
this after you study it, you know, read the Book of Mormon,
pray about it. And I read the original print of
the Book of Mormon and I prayed about it.
And I got this overwhelming feeling of gross disgust that I
have been lied to and that this was a bunch of shit.
And I was like, cool. Well, so I did what the church
taught me. I did what my entire life had
taught me. And the feeling came out of it
was, this is a bunch of shit. And I was like, cool.
So I did what you told me to. And what I've learned through
doing what that is, is we base our beliefs off of a feeling.
And the feeling I got was this is a lie.
So I can either follow a lie according to my feelings, 'cause
that's what we follow, or I can follow something different.
And I went to something different 'cause I was like the
idea that God wasn't real or Jesus wasn't real, that couldn't
like that never crossed my mind. And then I did LSD and it was
like, yeah, I know that concept of God isn't real in my mind.
That doesn't make any sense. And so from then on, that idea
of praying was like, I don't even when it's been really hard,
like, OK, I was worried about my dad dying or, you know, grandpa
died. All these moments where usually
I think as a human, I might have turned to prayer.
I didn't have that. But it was like, I didn't feel
like I was alone in that because I didn't have someone to pray
to. It was more like it's just
changed because before it was like, OK, I prayed, you know,
when I was really struggling with divorce or something else
like, oh, God, help me with this, I'll do this.
Like, you know, making promises, justification, like all these
shit with God, you know, that I'm thinking.
And it's like, how many times do we do that?
We bargain with God, we try and do these things.
Oh, yeah. OK.
And how many times have I prayed for change or this or that And
it like that didn't come. And it was like, all right,
well, and then the realization of like, well, I could pray for
my keys or these people could pray for this.
But really, does that? Does he come down and change
that? No.
OK, so like, what is this? And if I'm not believing in this
concept of this, what in the hell am I talking to?
You know, I, I totally get that and.
But for others like there's that connection, it's that piece.
They get something from that and that's that's fine.
They get their value that they need, but.
Well, I mean, even though. That wasn't there.
Going back to and and that's exactly what it is, man.
I mean, it's it's for it's for you, right?
I don't believe in a right or wrong when it comes to
somebody's faith. It's just the way that they.
Express it, they feel a connection of what that but it's
total. It's not right or wrong for
them. It's just when everyone else is
like this is right or wrong. No, this is totally.
What truth versus you know which.
Is funny because you know, Christianity goes into agency.
It's not just a Mormon aspect, it's a Christian aspect.
But it's like, but this is The funny thing that you're exactly
right. It's agency.
Agency. No, it's their perceived agency.
It's a buzzword for them because here's what they do with it.
They did exactly what you said. They bargain with God, and I
don't bargain with God. When I pray, I'm honestly, I'm
just like, hey, I'm I'm trying to understand me.
I don't I can't do anything about that.
And it helps me to slow down. There's been instances in my
life you. Always prayed like that.
No, it's gotten better over time.
I I have more thoughtfulness in it, but I invest into my faith
and my faith isn't a book or somebody else's that's.
What you believe because that's what you feel.
Yeah, I actually, I mean, for me, if we're going to be
completely honest, it wouldn't matter if I was in like Tibet
and there wasn't a Mormon church around.
I would probably be more gravitated towards Buddhism,
right? Or Taoism?
It's like, OK, so the movie Heretic Man, that just came out
recently. Yeah, totally.
They brought a very, the very introduction brought a very good
point up. And it was the two Mormon
missionaries out there and they were talking and the 1 turned to
the other. And she's like, you know, it's
interesting that we believe this book because if we grew up in
any other religion or any other situation, we would have grown
up knowing or learning that this book was a fake and a lie.
Yet in this one, it's real. But it's the same with every
other religion in that it's like, you grow up in this one
and this is the truth because this is what we're taught from a
young age. So it's just what we know.
So we believe it because it's what is familiar.
It's what's around. It's what.
And so, you know, any reality is going to be tied to that and the
things that we feel or that will be tied to these things we're
taught and learn and, you know, because that's what's around.
And the thing that I, I find more interesting is that for
those who are gravitated to religion or those who are
propelled by religion, are they just are like, either I was lied
to or something like that. But again, that's, that's the
hypocrisy that I see a lot in faith with people is that
they're just like, this is true. And then when somebody questions
it and they question themselves, they get angry when I know
something, if somebody came to me and said, you don't love your
wife and you cheat on her all the time, I would laugh.
I'd be be like, no, I don't, that's ridiculous.
And they would be like, yeah, I saw you and I'm like, clearly
you're disturbed and I'm OK with that.
I'm so sorry. Would you like to smoke some of
this lovely bud with me? I would be more like that
because I don't. I know that for me, that's my
belief and that's what I hold true.
And I've never done anything to be able to do that.
So I know my own character, so I can go, look, it's OK if I
believe in something and somebody else doesn't.
And if somebody else comes to me and says that's not true and let
me tell you why, well then I feel bad for them because they
just want to prove that they're right and I'm wrong and I don't
care. Most of those, well, because the
only ones who do it are those who have left the religion.
And so when they look at it, it's like, I mean, it boggled my
mind, especially when we had discussions and it was like,
wait, you've read these same things and you still believe it.
It was a a weird way of like my brain doesn't really comprehend
because with me understanding that, my brain cannot believe
that. Yeah, your brain can believe it
when it sees those same things. So from for me or for someone in
that instance, it's really hard to look at it and go, my mind
can't comprehend how your mind works in that process.
I'm sure it's the same way with vice versa, but it's like, yeah,
like I, I don't fully, you know. Well, again, it's it's the idea
of absolute fallacy. The absolute fallacy is that you
have more information than the other person, but the reality
is, is that their reality is not your reality.
So you can't say that they're wrong.
What I have a problem with is when other people such as well.
It's when they come of like, so I think the issue with people
who have left the church is they come in and it's like most
Mormons say, this is the true church.
Most. Most Mormons.
So for most people on the other side, it's going well, you're
exactly. So then it's going, you're
telling me that you're right and I'm going, well, I've seen the
other side of the coin and you're telling me you're right.
But yeah, you haven't looked at the other side of the coin.
So. Look at both sides before you
tell me you're right. Well, exactly and.
Until you've looked at both sides, you can't tell me
anything 'cause you haven't even looked at the other side.
There's very few things in this world that are like true.
Yeah, but that's that's the hard part with most religious ones is
like even having discussions with my dad, there's so much of
the other side of the coin that I'm like, you've not you can't
have a discussion on this because you one have never
researched it, haven't studied, know absolutely nothing about
this side of the coin. So how can you have an educated
discussion on something you know nothing about?
But The thing is, is that on their side, what they're seeing
is from their belief, and a lot of it can be where the.
Belief says don't look at the other side of.
The no, I know and it's funny, right?
It's, it's exactly that there. The, it's a contradiction right
there in front of them. When you try to challenge it,
they go, no, no, no. Let me tell you why I'm I'm
right instead of saying, hey, look, I don't understand why
it's so important for you to be concerned about my faith and my
beliefs. Well, it's like your politics
with your brother. Yeah.
He was like, you had to explain to him, well, maybe there's
these things that you don't understand or didn't know.
And he was like, oh, 'cause he didn't research, didn't look, he
didn't look at the other side of that coin.
Of course. And that's it.
You know, it's how many of us look at one side of a coin and
then try and make a determination, a a, you know,
well, it's a decision off of this is what's right.
It's like what W ignorance said, right?
If I hold this up, you're only seeing 1 angle.
And your perception of what this thing is is different than my
perception. You, you see one, I see two, I
see three sides, you see one side, maybe 2.
So you know, that's. Then it's like the color, the
shape, what I might see is I see a sun, I see that you see a box
with words on it. Like there's these different
things that it's 100% perception and you know, reality even like
the talking about how much of perception of reality we
actually even view in that, you know, And so, but that's the
thing I don't like, I, I like discussions where it's like
people can see both sides and look at it 'cause it's like the
hardest part I have with most. I don't like talking religion
unless someone else brings it up.
If they want to discuss it. Most of the time, sure, let's
get into that. But most of the time because I
feel like. A lot of times it's
argumentative though. Yes, but I've looked at so many
sides of the coin, of lots of coins, and then I get in these
conversations with some and they've only looked at one coin
from one side. And I'm like, I don't, I don't
appreciate these conversations usually because they have a hard
time eating. Tell them that no.
I I don't know, 'cause I don't want to be an asshole.
No, you're not being an asshole. It's like, you know it, it it
truly is this does this dress make me look fat?
If you lie to them and they go out and some people are like.
But I'm not lying to them. I'm just not going, no.
No, no, no, I'm not saying you're lying to him, but by not
telling him that you have an issue with that, 'cause I get
that. Like my brother just cuts on me
and my and I was like, Hey, I know what you're trying to do
and I don't appreciate it. I don't care that you're have an
opinion about it, but it's like you're trying to convince me and
the dude it's it's not, It's not.
Usually my family we don't discuss religion.
No, they don't. Because.
My family. Thomas is religious, his wife is
religious, Stacy's religious and my parents are religious.
But now I've got half of my other siblings who aren't really
religious. And so, you know, it's just we
all have varying beliefs and that's OK, but most of the time
because there is such a drastic difference in that.
It's like your concept of church, dude.
Like, you know what? The idea of churches, it's not
confined. Yeah, it's exactly that.
The word church is a it's like the word scuttlebutt.
You know what scuttlebutt means? No, it's a rumor.
What? Why don't you just say rumor?
It was an old word, right, That was used in the military that
they got from somebody here. So when somebody would have a
scuttlebutt, it was a rumor. Also, it's a water fountain.
Yep. Like a drinking.
Fountain. Yeah.
Drinking fountain, Right. You know what the bright works
are? All the shiny stuff in the
bathroom. They call it bright works.
Not, not the faucets. The bright works.
Floors, a deck, ceilings, overhead walls are bulkheads.
And whatever the names are, it's just a different lexicon of
words. That's all it is.
And then when people start getting so like, Nope, this is
it. I find that there's a lot of
fear in that person when somebody gets defensive about
their faith and wants to argue about it about their right.
I typically find those people have a lot of questions about
their own faith and they should explore that because that's why
I'm still like that. When you ask that, you're like,
hey, you know, I still like everything that I've researched
and all that. But then you've told me it's the
community. It is the community and it's the
experiences I've had in that community.
And that's like that's understandable.
And I feel bad that a lot of people have not had that same
experience. Oh yeah, like I never, I didn't
have a good experience. Like church was fine.
Yeah, you just. Had a a a it was like a a
experience. It wasn't I loved.
Scouts. I loved Scouts.
Yeah. You camping?
I did Outdoors but. You were in the times of like
when when scouts was awesome it. Was huge, yeah.
And I never got diddled so it wasn't like good for you.
Fucking awkward and I know they're like that, but that
happens everywhere. I know it's not scouts.
It's like it happens in everything there's.
Yeah, everyone. A bunch of fucking degenerates.
Yeah, so I'm like it. I loved that aspect of it.
I loved going to Young Men's 'cause it was hanging out with
friends. It's a community.
But past that, the religious side, I never, I never felt it.
I never like, I prayed. We did all this stuff.
I went to church. I did everything I was supposed
to. And then it was like, I never
felt that connection until I left Mormonism.
Yeah. Totally.
And that's the and. Then I found it in Christianity
and it was like this, that thing that like overwhelming feeling
of like you, God, spirit, whatever the like, totally feel.
I felt that there. And it was like this
overwhelming feeling of like feeling accepted, feeling loved.
Yeah. And it was.
And I I didn't stop going because I didn't like the church
or the community. No you just your beliefs
changed. I was like, I don't like, I
loved my pastors. I loved the people there.
Truly, it felt like a community. Yeah, they loved you.
And it was amazing. And I mixed church for them
every week. Like it was fantastic.
But then when my belief around God changed, I was like, I, I
can't go to this and. Which is honorable that you say
that because, I mean, you know, I worked with this one guy
'cause you made me think about this guy.
And, and I apologize if I cut you off.
But this guy, Trevor, he we work together and because he looked
very LDSI thought I had to act very LDS because it was in an
office. So I'm like, yeah, I can't be.
Totally. Understandable.
And the guy who had hired me to this company, he had the
appearance that he was very LDS, but he wasn't.
And this guy was over there and I was like, oh, yeah.
And I was like, I was just trying to bond with him.
And he just seemed kind of like, uptight.
Yeah. And I say, sitting on a stick.
Hey, did you ever hear about this talk?
It was a really good one. And I actually liked this talk.
And I said, do you ever hear of that?
He goes, let me be honest with you.
I'm an atheist, and I only go to church to keep my wife happy
because I don't want to lose her.
And it means a lot to her. He's like.
And if that means I get to go to church every week for three
hours, maybe even do a calling, you know what?
They're all nice to me and I'm nice to them, but I don't
believe in it. And I was like, wow.
And you know, I think a lot of people are like that.
They just go because. They do, but I see that in lots
of them. And you know, exactly and a lot.
That's that's when you see them there and I'm like, it's all the
people with their heads down on the pews, all on their phone.
They're there to check the box. They're there not because they
really want to be or because they believe.
They're just there. And that's what I noticed so
much of church was. But then the Christian Church,
everyone was there because they wanted to be.
No one was there because it was like, I'm going to feel guilty.
My neighbor, where were you? We missed like, why weren't you
at church? None of that.
Ever. But this is so funny, dude.
Like it's the indoctrination that the earlier church members
like. And I'm saying earlier, like you
really started to see that when more, I mean, it became a state
and then more people started to move out here and there was more
diversity. There was people there that
weren't LDS and in order for them to insulate and protect
themselves because they had protected themselves from
everybody else, they were in a territory.
All of a sudden now they're like, they became like hyper
evangelical. And that thing that you said
that reminded me of my buddy growing up in Mapleton, and this
is Mapleton in the 80s. So there is nothing out there.
Yeah, right. Going to town was Springville.
And if anybody lives in Utah and you go down to town in
Springfield State, Springville, Maine.
Oh, in Maine. Yeah, like all the teeny little
shops and stuff like that. Yeah, that was going to town.
And for him, like they just they anyways, there was a new family
that moved into their neighborhood and this is when
his family left the church. There was a new family in there.
They were bat. They were Baptist.
How did that go? Everybody on Sunday would make
it a point to walk in front of their house to show them that
this is where we're going. Follow.
Us. And I thought that was he, he
said. I thought that was the most
disingenuous thing. He's like, I was 13.
I was active in the church. My dad saw that his dad was so
inferior to he was a professor at a university here in Utah for
many years. And literally after that, he
they didn't go to church. And then weeks later he burned
all of his garments. He's like, I don't force people
to do that and I don't course people into it.
He goes, I came into the faith because I wanted to.
This is not what I signed up for.
And because of that action, they parted.
Now, weird thing. He married an LDS woman, a very
LDS woman, very active in the church.
All of his kids baptized him. He has never been a part of the
church, ever. It's so that's.
And that's his. Thing I think that's kind of
hard. So like my my brother's still
married to his wife and they they're great.
I love his wife dearly. Yeah, she's great.
She is. She's actually.
She's so fun. I'm.
Not going to say this. Yeah, I love her to death.
I was like, I'm going to say she's my favorite in law because
she is, but I'm going to cut that out.
But yeah, basically like so their their young youngest just
got baptized, but that's something that like I know he
still struggles with and like it's something that I don't
like. My ex-wife got her kids baptized
but that's because she told me, well, it only needs one parent's
signature and I'm getting them baptized anyway.
So since we were divorced and she lived in another state,
didn't really matter what I wanted or said.
And she told me the kids were too scared to talk to me about
it when the kids told me later that she just told them that.
This is what we're doing. And they probably shouldn't talk
to me about it. And yet none of my kids have any
desire to be religious. Well, and and you know, again,
it's it's this perception, right?
She wanted the perception like I'm doing the right thing.
But honestly, baptism needs to be look at like, you know, if
somebody does that, I look at the same way of getting
piercing, like that's your choice.
It's your choice. And even if somebody's coursing
into it, it's your choice. But you know what?
It's not permanent. If you don't want it to be, it
really isn't. That's what I'm like, you know,
with him, as the kids get older, you know, they can have more
conversations. And if they choose that they
want to stay or go, that is their choice.
You know, and, and we can honor any way they want to, Yeah.
And that's OK, you know, and that's what I like to do.
That's why I like our relationship so much.
And is because one I I don't yuck your yums dude.
I think it's great how you think and how you are.
And I don't think that I am right and that you're wrong.
I I just know this makes me happy.
Well, and I know that at the end of the day, both of us just
really care about people and treat them good, and that's
really what I think is important.
There are a lot of people out there that that idolize certain
people. Like, remember when I was in the
Navy and guys were like idolizing Scottie Pippen and
Michael? Jordan.
Oh yeah, I fucking love. I love Michael Jordan, right?
I used to idolize him. Right.
They were like, oh, they're my heroes.
And somebody had asked me they'd go, who's your hero?
And I'm like my dad. He immigrated to this country.
He didn't swim or climb over a fence.
He came here legally. He worked his ass off to learn
the language and everybody gave me shit because I didn't speak
Spanish. Do you?
Want to be like your dad when you were growing up?
No. OK.
Not at all. I always wanted to be like my
dad. No, it was because we were
completely different people. My dad's a quiet guy.
I am not a quiet person. Never have been.
I don't you. Know not like that.
I don't even, I don't think I gave it that much thought on
like I want to be the type of person he is.
But it was always like when my dad was a mailman and I was
super little. I wanted to be mailman.
Oh dude, when I was a little kid.
When I was like 1011 and he worked at RC Willey, I wanted to
work at RC Willey. And then he was a handyman and
did his own business. I wanted to do that.
And then he was a contractor. And they're like, oh, I want to
do that. Wasn't until I was like a
freshman in high school and I was decently good at arguing.
And I was good at arguing even with my parents.
And my parents were like, oh, yeah, you should be an attorney.
And I was like, I might be like, I would like that.
I would enjoy arguing with people potentially for a living.
And then I was like when I learned that most of it was
actually studying like all of that, not the actual arguing
time. And then the more I studied law
after, the more I hate law. It would have a zero desire to
ever be a fucking attorney. But but most of my childhood, I
wanted to be like my dad. You know, what he was doing was
like, Oh, this is this is who I want to be when I grow.
Up seeing your dad must have shown some type of of excitement
doing it. You know, my dad, my dad worked
hard at all the jobs that he did, but he never enjoyed his
jobs. So I think that's a big reason
why, like when when you mention that when you're like a little
kid, like it brought me back to a moment where my dad, it wasn't
what he was doing to provide for the family.
It was this like the smell of gasoline and oil.
The nostalgia stuff that like. He he worked on a car until like
2:00 in the morning with his friend and I stayed on the couch
waiting up for him as a little. I was like 5.
Yeah, see my. And he picked me up and he took
me in my bed. And I remember his hints and.
The smell, yeah. Yeah, and, and I have almost
identical to my dad's hands. I mean, his hands are a lot
smaller than mine, but in that dude, he is just like, there was
something about that that I wanted to be a a strong worker.
So that's a lot of the reasons why I enjoy mechanic work,
because it reminds me that my dad taught me a lot of these
things and then your brother taught me a shit.
Load. Oh my God, cars right?
Yeah, he's so fucking smart. And now that's why I'm able to
fix my cars. You know, like when somebody
goes, dude, you got to get a new car and I'm like, no, I don't
like a $16.00 part and some fucking elbow grease.
So let's get this shit done. Like fucking fix it.
It's not going to. Fix it myself.
Yeah, for real. Right, I'll watch YouTube but.
I think I don't know if it was like my dad taught me hard work
from when I was really little and it was like I remember being
5 and wedding the not wedding they'd just we'd just built the
home we were putting in the garden that year and they had
roaded tilt the entire thing. But Grandview had tons of rocks.
Oh yeah, dude. And he was like, all right,
horrible. We had to carry these 5 gallon
buckets all the way up and down the garden and pick up rocks and
we had to do the entire garden. Now it the garden was literally
the entire length of the whole backyard.
Jesus, which was the house next door to my parents and other
house. And that was a long ass garden
and it was ours. And I remember being like 5,
maybe even 4 because it was probably 4.
And my parents going, yeah, no, you don't get dinner unless you
do this. And we don't get dinner until
it's done. And if you don't do this, you
don't eat. And but you worked hard.
You worked fast. Like we laid, like we laid our
whole backyard with grass. Like I was.
I've been working on shit since I was since I could.
Walk, you know. And so it was like, my dad has
crackhead speed that just is like constant.
Yeah, he's always been like. That from like 6:00 in the
morning till long past it's dark.
It's like Curtis, dude. Curtis can go forever.
But that it's elder energy. Like my sister's the same way.
She, she's a nurse, she works 12 hour shifts.
And then after that, outside of that, she calls patients back
for patient verification 'cause she was like, well I have time.
I don't know what else I'm doing.
She crochets constantly, blankets characters for friends.
Like she's been doing this for years.
So her crocheting is incredible. Like she's always.
She's a busy body. But that's where I'm like most
elders are. When I look at my uncle's, when
I look like they have built. One of my uncles has the largest
architecture firm here in Utah. He builds like they do all the
temples, they do everything. So when my dad went down to
build a home in Springville and it was on a lot on the hill,
they're like, oh, you can't build there.
And he's like, Bob told me I could.
And they're like, oh, if Bob said it's OK, that's fine
because Bob does everything for Utah and his whole company.
Like he's the one who it's his company.
That's pretty cool, dude. And yet I have like my other
uncle, I have two uncles that have been like really high at Nu
Skin for 30 plus years, like sea level and stuff.
Like they're crazy and they've been or like one of them's the
VP of like their warehouse side and the other ones on the sea
level on the front end, no. That's cool, dude.
Like everyone is just crazy energy crazy.
Like go, go, go do this. And like, you know, so they
always have crazy big dreams. They're always doing tons of
shit and you know. Yeah, the one thing that I
picked up from my dad was I didn't put up with anybody shit
because I did. I mean, my dad worked, but my
dad and never enjoyed his work ever in his life.
Never 'cause he just did the job.
I mean, he he was disadvantaged in some ways.
I mean, he had the grit to be able to put the work in, but
education was hard. I.
Mean he got from a whole different country.
Well, and and he just a different idea.
So this whole episode wasn't even supposed to be about this
no Thanksgiving one. But this is good.
We're just flowing with. It great because I really wanted
to ask about that. So with your dad growing up in
Mexico and you said like that. So Thanksgiving, it's today they
did. Your dad, they didn't celebrate
Thanksgiving. No, that was an American
holiday. Did you grow up like when you
were young because your mom was from?
Oh, no, we did. We did all the holidays.
My parents got married on Christmas Eve and yeah, that's
terrible. Yeah, they really fucked that
up. Yeah, but I don't understand
that. Get married on a holiday.
That just makes it more complicated and people are not
going to be able to. I mean, if you want them to be
there, it's even more fucking difficult.
Like I'm going to get inconvenient you.
I got married close to a holiday but it never falls on the
holiday and. That's leap year.
No, it was like it was in November, but it was after
Thanksgiving and it just. Yeah.
That would have been hard. But the thing, dude, like
growing up, the culture that my dad brought was not a lot.
My dad is not like when people would think like Mexican, when I
would tell him I'm like Mexican. They're like, well, you're not
wearing a cowboy hat and you don't listen to Banda music all
the time and you don't dance around all the time.
Like, well, that's a very narrow idea, who Mexicans are.
My dad grew up in Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the
world. It's so densely populated and it
was super busy. My dad grew up in the streets in
the in the 50s and 60s in the streets of Mexico when it was
barely becoming modernized and new things started coming in
court, including organized crime.
My dad was in lots of street fights.
He'd been in fights in the subway.
He beat up a an actual like adult when he was a kid because
the guy was starting shit with him and his friends.
Like, there's all this crazy stuff that he grew up with, but
my dad never really had direction.
And it reminds me of me. I mean, at the age of 14, he was
kicked out of school because he was flirting with girls and not
paying attention. In Mexico at that time, school
was a privilege, not a right. The state didn't go, Your kid
needs to be in school. It's like either you want to be
in school or you're not. So he started working at 14
instead. Came home and and my grandmother
said. Well that definitely made it
harder for education then because his education stopped at
14 until he. Yep.
Until he he went. To relearn later.
Well, what had happened is he had met some LDS missionaries
that came to his home. What convinced him was that his
stepfather, who had smoked for decades like a chimney, they
came to visit and he believed in what they said.
He quit smoking that day, never smoked another time again.
Ever. So because he believed you, your
dad was like, oh, that's a huge crazy thing.
He didn't like him. I thought that guy was an
asshole. But that's when he converted.
The whole family saw that as a crazy sign and they all
converted. Yeah, that's like my my elder
family. I think they converted after the
great great something grandfather on that side sold
the silver mine deed in park. City.
For like 2 pints of whiskey and they're like, we could have
owned Park City. Like that's why my grandma's
always like, elders are never meant to be rich, because no
one's ever made. Yeah, they always lose.
What they've made, yeah, I have people like they're all
millionaires. Almost every single one of them
is a millionaire. Like they all do really fucking
well for themselves, but they're just not disgustingly rich.
They're just not like, you know. They're, yeah, they're.
They're they're well to do. They're well to do.
That's it. They're well off and they
they'll be OK for their life and you know, that's it.
And it's cool because they chose something that they could be
passionate about. And, and that's the one thing I
will say, like I, I do admire during a certain generation of
kids that would go on LDS missions and come back and they
were hard working, they were dedicated, they.
Because you take a kid who just gets out of high school has.
Well, it used to not be that. It used to be 19.
Yeah, now it's. Now it's 18 and and I don't, I,
I think that's somewhat good because yeah, all I knew was
kids getting pregnant and fucking around a lot, right?
Like that's how I figured. Bro, because they're like, well,
if we get them at 18, they're less likely to be getting
married to get pregnant. They're just out of high school
so they're less likely to be already on any other trajectory.
So this is the youngest time we and get them, yeah, but they're
also adults. So it's.
But you don't see the same way. I mean, you know, there's a big
reason why that a lot of government organizations would
come to places like BYU and recruit.
My dad went to BYU for a time and he was being recruited.
He got recruited to the CIA and he also got recruited to an
attachment to the Army for their interrogation division because
he's and they wanted to use him in South America.
So they're like, we'll pay for the rest of your college.
You'll get this degree and then we'll bring you in as a
translator negotiator. And if you don't do well there,
then we'll put you as an interrogator.
And they were like moving to Bogota and stuff like that, like
this is and that was crazy shit. It's.
Even like, so all the door to door sales, they all stem from
Utah. There are so many like
missionaries that yeah, because it's like, oh, hey, you guys are
great at this. You're great at going and
pulling someone into either sales because it's like not
anymore. Not anymore, but it's totally
different. Back in the day now it's like
you're going to learn how to use social media, post a TikTok or
some shit and then go respond to someone who wants you to come to
their house. Yeah, it's you don't really
learn any hard skills. You're not breaking out of your
shell in your comfort zone. It's like, OK, like what do you
do? It's like a guy I told you about
Taylor that I worked with in sales.
Like he, he had this missionary leader that would tell him like
he was doing like a prep course, I guess.
I don't know. I didn't go on one of those.
I didn't either. I served in the military.
I enjoyed that and. I started having sex and then
got married so I didn't even. Work.
No, I was doing that too, but I didn't get married.
I was dodging babies in STD's like Neo in the Matrix.
Yeah, but dude it. She wouldn't trade my kids for
anything. No, no, no, no of course not
dude. No, I I have 5 of them.
Oh no, no, that I know. You're still married, Yeah.
No, but I mean no, but it's dude, everything, everything.
It like all comes full circle and that's what I love about
like the differences that we have.
I see that same thing for other people.
You know, there was a one of our fans, the guy who sent us out
the books, Wesley. Yeah, love you, Sir.
You know, he posted something pretty cool.
He's like, you know, when I went around, he's in, he's in New
Jersey. OK, primarily a blue state.
Yeah. He said, you know, I went around
to those I know who voted for Trump.
And I just said, hey, look, even though we have differences, we,
we have to still be friends. We don't need to let this divide
us. Yeah.
And the comments that were in there were like, fuck that.
No way. Fuck that.
They're the enemy. And I was just like, wow.
And that's. What I hate?
About all those people needed to get high.
Yeah, it's smoked some weed. It's been since the Hillary
Trump campaign, I feel like that there's been this polarized
hatred. Yeah.
Of like everyone. I'm like.
But this has happened before in U.S. history, so.
Probably you know what history repeats itself, so it wouldn't
be surprise. It's just the fact that when
it's in this divide, looking at everyone else of like, hey, how
many friendships truly dissolve over some stupid political
support of like, well, I, I voted this because everything in
my life led me to choose this decision just the same way as
everything in your life LED you to choose that decision.
Like, you know, I, I can't understand your decisions fully
because I've never lived every moment of your life just the
same as you never lived every moment of mine, right?
You know, and, and it would be ludicrous to think that we would
be able to fully understand that we just, we can look at and go,
Hey, I can try and understand this the best I can and see them
as a human and go at the end of the day, like, are you hurting
me? Am I hurting you?
Are you hurting someone I love? Like physically, are you hurting
someone I love? But it was like, like the
discussion at first you were saying, you know, where someone
was a little intoxicated and was like, fuck you and getting
frustrated and you're like, wait, wait a second, like what's
going on? And it's literally over like a
political decision. You're like, wait, well, you
know, and it was over like something that they're
frustrated and not even realizing something of like you
might be in that same boat and they might not even realize
that. And that that was the thing, I
think what was so, and, and I'm glad that I didn't drink at that
time. I was like, and I told you I was
like, you know, I told you about it and you're like, oh, dude,
that sucks. I'm like, no, no, no.
What was cool about it is that all I reaffirmed me is, is that
I don't ever want to drink again because I watched somebody who
is normally just a sweet person and maybe they secretly think
I'm a fucker. I don't care.
They never say it to my face. But they're kind.
Usually they're cordial. You don't have to deal with
that. But because of what they
perceived and they were drunk, they decided to be able to
attack me out of nowhere. And I was like, whoa.
And I didn't, it didn't register.
Like it's like getting punched in the face by somebody that you
know, and you're like, wait a minute, what's going on?
And I was like, And then she said it again.
The assumptions, it's when we make assumptions and Oh, well, I
thought you were, you know. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. But maybe that's not how it was.
And instead of like, assuming it, you know, allow them to show
up just how they are and see what that is instead of going.
People to have different perspective, you know, I mean
that's all it was when somebody went to the ballot box, it was a
perspective that they have They said this is my belief and if
they didn't and they just said, you know what I'm just going to
vote for whoever the people that I'm around what that one cool.
That was still their choice. So what?
Who cares? And I?
Think it was a very hard, I know it was a very hard election for
a lot of people. It was this and.
I've seen that. This goes the same with like
when Reagan came in, it was almost the exact.
It was very similar because. Who is he?
Carter. So he was Carter and a couple of
the guy, but Carter had done something very similar to what
had happened during Biden, except it was far worse.
Fell asleep and did nothing. Gas prices were so incredibly
high. You remember these stories.
You had to wait in line my. Yeah, I didn't.
Even my grandma was telling me about it.
And then she was like, we had to go get gas rations.
We had to go get food rations. And you would go pick them up
and wait in line to get gas. And my grandpa had traded some
other, I don't know what it was, products that they had or
something for some other gas rations.
They took a trip to California as a family.
Yeah, but they had to like trade and bargain dude to do that.
And I was like, what in the hell is this time?
That was their COVID time. What did we have?
Toilet paper. Yeah, hand sanitizer, like $5 a
roll or something. Oh my God dude that was the
funniest fucking people. Hoarding it and selling it on
Facebook marketplace. It was like everywhere was
bought out. And then they're like oh look,
my entire garage is stuck pile. Do you want a $50 roll of toilet
paper? Oh, dude, remember masks, M-95
masks and then now and now knowing everything they know,
they're all jokes, jokes, just jokes, people.
It, it's just, and it was almost identical.
But what he had done is he had completely gutted the military.
He had turned us into a very weak position, unfortunately.
A flaccid position. I would say very limp, leaning
to the left in a cold state. Yeah, so a little shriveled up,
yeah. One hanging lower than the
other, the ball right but. As one does.
As one does you know which one in the comments which one it is
right or left, but you know you get but dude, Oh my God, there
was this thing, man, this this thing happened.
It's very similar to this man. It's very similar to this in
Iran. There were this time hijackings
were like all the craze, right? There was K Pop, there was
Backstreet Boys and hijackings, and then there was hijackings in
the. Late set in hijackings, Yeah.
OK, Yeah. So they would take them and then
they would land. And these are the things like
Dave Chappelle used to joke around about it because that's
what they used to do to be like, we're going to tell you right
now we want 500,000 U.S. dollars, a way of kill people,
right? Something like that, right?
And the Dave Chappelle says, and the guy was Asian and I didn't
understand why he was talking like that.
This is like, this is funny shit, right?
But you know, it, it, during this time there was a lot of
hostages being taken and there was a bunch of Jewish American
hostages taken. And they were in Lebanon, right?
I think it was Lebanon OR Iran. I, I can't be 100% sure.
So this was around the first time the Delta Force, the
special forces team that was completely blacklisted, like you
didn't know it existed. If you got invited to it, it was
just a different type of army. I've read a lot of stuff about
this, especially when I was younger when the books weren't
as sanitized as they are now. And what they did is they sent
this, No, they've never deployed these type of people, but they
were primarily built for hostage rescue.
They were modeled after the British SAS, and that's one of
their specialties was hostage rescue, and that's who saved
those. They got rid of these terrorists
in Berlin during the Games. I think it was in the 80s or
something like that, the SAS went in and killed the guys like
they just went through. They're damn fucking they're
they're wow. Anyways, so that all happens.
They sent Delta Force out there. Guess what happens?
Massive issues. Ill prepared.
You sent the most highly trained up to this point, specialist in
hostage rescue. Not special forces at this time,
but in hostage rescue. Both helicopters.
They weren't ready for that, and they ended up colliding and
crashing. Bunch of Delta guys died in the
fire. A book that was written was one
of the guys who was in that crash who survived and lived out
a really good, cool career. But the thing that happened was
there was all of that and then the plane crashed and then they
had nothing. So they also didn't get the
hostages, but they also died. They failed.
It looked ridiculous and so the US was seen as extremely weak.
Little proxy wars start popping up everywhere.
Ronald Reagan starts going in there.
He takes the pulpit for every hostage you kill is a city I
will bomb. He gets into office.
Hostages released. Trump takes.
He is president-elect. Hamas will stop will like to go
into peace talks now China Oh, we're cool.
We we're we're we respect America Putin, hey, we're
willing to go to peace talks right now.
And the reason why is because he didn't push before.
They're worried he will now because he's crazy like most
president, the last president, instead of trying to carry on
because that's all Trump had to do.
He had to carry on from what Obama had to carry on from what
the Bush administration started, right?
Wasn't that what most of them are, just continuing?
Yeah. Previous and sometimes they just
can't get out. And that was the big issue.
They could get out of Afghanistan without without
massive casualties. It turned into Vietnam.
That's what we knew is leaving Afghanistan would be.
It needs to be a slow process. To be a trickle.
And they did exactly what happened to Saigon in that one.
Do you watch the videos in Saigon?
Afghanistan was was horrible and knowing what that one.
But when you see the video footage of what they had during
Vietnam, they were pushing heat Huey helicopters off of aircraft
carriers because there were people all over the deck, all
inside the ship, just to save all these South Vietnamese,
because the North Vietnamese were kicking ass and they were
coming. Oh wow.
And you could see like when they were attacking the, the, I think
it's Hanoi, when they were attacking it, dude, like
reporters were recording it. And it's fucking insane.
They were getting on helicopters too, right?
Because they were coming in killing everybody.
If you helped out the US, you're dead.
It's same thing that the Taliban did, the same thing that ISIS
did as soon as we left. If you worked with the US during
their coalition, you're fucking dead, your family fucking dead.
And it, it's so sad. It just keeps repeating.
But this shit didn't happen so long ago and it's almost
identical. It's hilarious.
And that's the thing that I don't understand is that the
differences that we see around the world with so much war, so
much hate, and I hate saying it. Dude just smoke more weed and
figure your shit out. I honestly like, we talk about
it all the time, but you know, it's like it's Thanksgiving and
maybe you don't have a lot of commonalities with some people
at your family, or maybe you just butt heads and don't get
along and Thanksgiving isn't the best time.
Or maybe Thanksgiving you fucking hate because you're
alone. And honestly, that can be really
hard too. Yeah, that's, that's horrible.
And like, you know, if you are, get some super Booth, smoke some
of that, you will have a fantastic Thanksgiving and
listen to some cannabis school and we'll hang out with you.
Yeah, absolutely. But like, it's, it's that hatred
that like, like you said, if you could go and smoke a bowl, just
listen to these other things. I don't I don't think we would
have so much hatred. We would have so much war.
We would have so much like us and them because it's like you
can. Have difficult to care about.
That it It's the realization of like is not what's important.
Do you, do you realize that now with all the things that we have
in our life and how busy we are, it almost seems like time is
going away faster, but when you're in nature and you're like
camping for like 5 days? Slows down again.
It doesn't even exist anymore. Yeah, it's fantastic and I wish
I need to go camping more often because I didn't go at all this.
Year do we need to go this? Next year, yeah, 100%.
But that's I'm like, you're right, time does it stops, it
slows back down. It's like you can disconnect
from all the rush of like. Dude, even if you're with people
out there that you may not get along with all the time, when
you're camping, you tolerate them and then eventually you'll
depend upon them. And that's the thing.
That's why, why my family and I, we don't do campers.
We don't do any of that shit. We camp on the ground.
Yeah, we'll have a blow up mattress because you know,
that's going to be the yeah, yeah.
But we don't have our, we don't have cell service.
I love no cell service that. Is my I just keep camping now I
love Spotify for the reason that I will save my playlist.
Oh yeah to my phone and that's what I'll listen to when I go
for walks. That's when I do mushrooms,
probably the entire time. I mean a lot of cannabis
camping. Because I'm in.
Nature. But it's like a lot of our
audience, like a lot of you guys do the same thing where you use
cannabis and like to be in nature.
Oh yeah. There's just something about
connecting and reconnecting or disconnecting.
And that's what I'm thinking that Thanksgiving should be, is
just fucking let that shit go and just be there, you know?
And if you don't have anybody, get a community of you people
together and go meet up at a Village inn.
You know, Village Inn is cool for that.
You won't go to Denny's. I mean that's your choice, but
did village? Inn.
Yeah, find something there, right, A Shoney's or something
like that. Go there with a group of people,
smoke, bowl out in the parking lot, and then you go in and
enjoy each other's company because that's ultimately what's
in the I love you Brandon I. Love you too bro.
And this has been a crazy, fucked up year.
But you know what? I'm glad that we spent it
together, and I'm glad that everybody else got to spend this
with us. It's been a cool evolution.
Last Thanksgiving, it was a little post, and now we're
giving you a full show. So I hope you're baked while
you're baking, and I hope you roast while you're roasting.
Yeah. And let me ask you, how are you
doing your Turkey this year? I do it traditional man, I just
put it in the oven for a long slow roast.
I do, I just do like a basic poultry blend of thyme and, and
sage and, and then I, I take a shit load of butter and garlic
powder and a lemon inside, a couple lemons inside and, and
then a bunch of fucking stuffing that my mother-in-law makes.
She makes the best stuffing. She makes the best stuffing,
probably the best stuffing I've ever had in the world.
But she's so good at that. And it's, it's awesome.
It is a time where this year's going to suck because of my
diet. I can't.
Do. I can't do a bunch of fucking
sweets. I'm making a sugar free pumpkin
cheesecake for myself. You're like.
Double throw up, but. The reason why is just, I know
that now I have to be more of a keto type of there.
If I, if I had the money, I would really try to be a
carnivore diet just because I I did one week where I had like a
bunch of frozen meat and I ate it every day that avocados, eggs
and protein shakes. I didn't have any carbs one day
and I felt fucking fantastic. I felt great.
I had lots of energy, no pain. I felt great.
That's wild. Yeah.
Just a strict carnivore diet. But you know what?
I, I, I have to have variety. I, I was going to tell you this,
and this is in passing, and this is a warning for you guys out
there. If you ever try almond flour,
don't make waffles. I made waffles this morning.
I made a pumpkin protein waffle with almond flour.
You know what it tasted like? It tasted like I've been, I had
a mouthful of almonds and it's just the, it's not the hard
almonds. It's just that part where you're
like, I could keep chewing this or I could swallow it.
It's that gritty powder. Yeah, because that's what almond
flour is. It's just browned up almonds.
Oh dude, it was so gross. It was so it felt like play DoH
being heated up and impressed. I was like Nope.
So what flour's out there guys? What?
What's the best flour to cook with that's close to actual
ground wheat? I can't.
So the one that we've used that I've really liked for Emily's,
is it coconut? No, it's Bob's Mill or
something. It's like it's a gluten free one
and it's Bob's and it's mixed usually in like a a pre mixed
mix of like. Xanthan gum and all the stuff in
there to make their flour mix. It's pretty good.
It's fantastic. I've used it for waffles, for
her, for pancakes, for like, Oh yeah, it's way better than done
any other, at least so far that I have found.
And then King Arthur's, if you're ever looking at like
brownie mixes or stuff that's been the best, best brand as far
as flavor, texture, like everything King Arthur's, at
least that we've found so far. Or Prince Albert.
Oh my God. Speaking of that, yesterday we
were sitting in the car and, oh, Emily had taken out all of her
earrings, 'cause she got surgery and she had to take out all her
rings. And she was like, oh, are they
all out? And I was like, yeah, they look
like they're all out. I was like, did you get your
nipple rings? Did you get, you know, 'cause
I'm were? You say that in front of the
nurse. No, we were in the car.
Stuff that would be. Funny.
And I was like, and did you get your I was like, what's the
female version of a Prince Albert?
And I was like. Oh, it's a clip.
Here Princess Albert and and so we googled it and it's a
Princess Albertina. Albertina I was like, Oh my.
She's like, oh, you're really close, 'cause I was like
Princess Albert, but oh I dude, I knew someone who had got that
done. I'm like, that just sounds
insanely painful. OK, so here's what who we need
to bring on to our our as a guest.
You, you know Gentry. Why does that sound familiar my.
Tattoo. Artist.
Oh yeah, OK. So the reason why is dude the
funniest fucking stories are the piercings and how.
Gross. Oh, probably.
Like some chick coming over here and going I need you to Pierce
this and that girl doesn't even know what soap is.
Could you imagine you're doing this and maybe it's a bunch of
folds? No.
And you're doing that. Thank God they have gloves.
I know, but even then, dude, you got to get close enough.
You can't just do this, OK? Like no.
Back up and stab. But I was just like, he told me
some stories, dude. That both made me laugh and
shiver in fear. Yeah.
I'm cringing just thinking about it and you haven't even.
Told me. But the tattoo stories are funny
too. Like there was one chick we'll
have to talk. She got this thing that's
supposed to look like a feather. And she got it.
Yeah. She.
It was supposed to come out of her hair and it looks like a
feather, like almost like a Native American.
Yeah. Theme.
Yeah. Like, I don't.
We don't even know if Native Americans did that.
But anyways, she had this and it was supposed to look like a
feather. And she showed us the picture.
Of what it looks like or what it should.
What it looks, what it's supposed to look like.
Yeah, OK. And then she went to one of the
other artists in there, and Gentry rammed the place at the
time. And the girl comes over, she
goes, this doesn't look right. And it looked like a pine tree
sticking out upside down. Oh, it was so bad.
And Gentry's like, come in here. And he's like, oh, Jesus, can
you wait for 1/2 hour to the other person?
They're like, yeah. And they were getting like, a,
like, 1/2 sleeve. They were starting out, like,
outline and shit. And he's just like, oh fuck so.
Had to fix that big mess. Dude, he's got so many funny
stories and so many tattoo artists are.
Hey, if you're a tattoo artist and you've got some crazy ass
stories and you like to partake, let us know.
Gentry doesn't partake. What?
No he got he did it. He did way too much when he was
younger. Got super super paranoid.
It has freaked him out ever since.
He gets anxiety even thinking about it.
Interesting. I know, I told him.
Dude, you need to smoke a little bit and see where it goes.
Yeah, or take a micro dose at a bowl or like or just something.
Take some psilocybin, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. But yeah.
Hey guys, love you guys. Thanks so much for sticking
around. Happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you, guys.
Yeah. Tip your waiter.
Tip your waiter, catch you next week.
And make sure you. Yeah, wash your balls.