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And your mom? Welcome to the sesh.
Go crazy. And a lot of it comes from our
childhood. A lot of it comes from I didn't
get this, I didn't get that. And unknowingly, I turned my
kids into spoiled brats. But a lot of people have.
See ya, I always didn't do much. And Susan?
'S family always got a million like or second Christmas and it
was coming around like, all right, what do we do?
Because Haley's two. Yeah, so already at 2, she's got
this many presents from Nana, from us, from all.
Like look at this mountain of presents.
What are we going to do next year and the year after and the
year after? Yeah, we're going to keep doing
this. What are we going to do?
Because and we watched. What was it?
Oh, Harry Potter and it has that little fat greedy fuck kid who's
like, there's only 34. There was 35 last year.
And I'm like, that would bug the shit out of me.
I don't want to raise that as a child.
I know. So it was like, how do we do
this in a way that doesn't do it?
I was like, well, Jesus, got 3 gifts.
So our kids get 3 gifts. That's it.
It can be more expensive because whatever, but three gifts
because honestly, do they need more than three?
Because they're still going to get one from family.
Like whatever, there's still stuff from every fucking other
place. Yeah.
And you know, the thing too about it is when they get the
gifts, the gift that was thoughtful isn't always the most
expensive, and it usually gets pushed off to the side.
And and that's something I've been thinking a lot about, too.
For this next Christmas, I'm just like, look, let's just get
them the things that we know that they would enjoy, get them
a couple of dinky things and that's it.
We don't need to go crazy overboard.
Yeah, And I mean, dude, for like me this last year, what did I
get? I don't even remember what I
got. It was something.
I I was sure that my parents did.
As we got older, they would buy more family things like a, a
foosball table. Cool.
This is our family gift. This is part of Christmas.
And as a family now we can all play this together.
We can do these things. And it's a, it's not just like
one thing for one individual. It's like, this is a present.
Yeah, it's the family. And everyone's still got their
own small individual stuff, but it was like just getting used to
not feeling that need of like, oh, I only got a few presents.
Right. Does that matter?
Why are you feeling you need more?
I, I remember very distinctly as a kid, but I, I probably got
like four or five presents every year and I was so grateful.
If that, yeah, it was so grateful.
It was like the coolest thing was like, Oh my gosh, look what
I got Scripture, just like all sorts of this stuff.
But it was like, oh cool, this is mine.
It was this excitement. Not like, oh, I did.
And granted, there was times that it was like, man, I really
wish I had gotten this remote control car 'cause my friends
got these Nerf guns and this and that and I got a pair of pants
and like this and I got, you know, whatever it was, but it
wasn't ever the same as theirs. But it was still like.
You're appreciative. Yeah, and some years, like I did
get an RC car one year and I was like, oh shit, like what?
Yeah, and you probably loved it was the.
Coolest thing I ever fucking had and we use those things non-stop
all the time. But it was because we didn't get
everything under the sun. I like that statement you just
made where you're the coolest thing I ever had because I don't
think kids get that fulfillment and wonder like they used to
because now there's just so much fucking shit.
Like, I think the worst thing is gift cards now, because a gift
card's like, fuck, I don't know, just give you some money and you
go get it. And yeah, at first you're like,
cool, I got money, but what do you spend that on?
Kids spend it on fucking shit at Mavericks.
Slipping chips and shit, whatever random.
Shit, that doesn't make any sense.
You know, it's, it's like I, I would prefer if my kids felt
more excited just about the day. Like I don't want to spend an
hour and a half opening fucking presents.
I want. To go through it quick and I
want to go back to bed or I want to fucking chill and watch my
kids do. Like now they're so much older,
they just do their own fucking thing.
The only one who wants to play is Phoenix.
It's because everyone else it's like yeah half Addie will play
with me sometimes but half the time she's doing her own shit
talking to her friends on her phones par Roblox playing for it
like something cuz she's at that.
She's also 12 1/2. Which is awesome, right?
She's getting a that's exactly like Aria now.
Aria is like that. She's got friends, she's going
to their. Houses and you're happy for
them. Totally.
You just kind of miss him. Oh, yeah, you miss him a little
bit. Like Max and I are finally
getting a relationship now where he talks to me a lot.
Like, did he did the most random thing for me?
Yeah, totally. Because I was like, well, lawn
needs cutting. It hasn't been done this last
weekend. So I got to get it done.
So I went got a fucking I, I started getting it all ready,
was going to prep it. And then before I know I was
going to the I was going in the backyard to like pick up shit.
Max already went out there, picked up all the dog shit, any
of the toys of the kids left out there, sticks, all that.
And then he started mowing it and not only did he mow it, but
he did a really good fucking job This time.
It didn't look like that. Remember the meme I was telling
you? Yeah, and there's mohawks and
yeah. Oh, it's the first time you have
your kids mow it. Like when I had to add emo at
the first time and I taught her and she's like, oh, I'm done.
I'm like, I mean, you did good, but there's a Mohawk there, a
Mohawk there, Mohawk there. If you'd go get those then
that'd be good. Yeah, Max said he goes, well,
how do you fix that? And I'm like, sometimes you need
to go over that same area twice. Yeah, that's it.
But that's OK. Is that it helps to grow evenly.
And he used to get pissed off at this last time because I've been
improving my relationship understanding and in the and and
I know I've gone a lot on about shapes, but I think it's just
behaviors that I've been so excited about.
And that's why I like with Max, I've been seeing a massive
change in his behavior. But my wife has said, you know,
because you have changed, the house has changed and.
As a dad and and it sucks to say.
It's a huge. Responsibility, well, but we
hold this power over the home and so it does.
It kind of puts everyone under that home in this umbrella of
like, you know, I'm sure with Grandma Holt, it was grandma was
the power. You know, there's always this
one of like you have to make sure that that person is happy
because if they snap or whatever, then it's like it, it
instantly isn't a safe, happy, comfortable place.
It's a scared, nervous, like anxious place.
It's like what Richard said, you know, you are creating, you need
to create a safe space in your home.
And before he kind of explained it from their perspective, it
was very eye opening in the sense of going, Oh yeah, why
provide a safe home? Like I will hurt anybody that
comes into my home. I will take care of my family
because I have this trend. No.
Are you caring for your kids? Are you giving them a safe home?
Are you teaching them safe practices and and how to
interact with other people? That something really
interesting on that actually, Emily sent me this TikTok and it
was, oh, I don't remember who it is, name is.
I'm terrible with actors and actresses.
But she said it's the guy who's married to Kristen Bell.
Oh, Dax Shepard. Yeah, that guy.
Yeah, armchair experts. Yeah, so they were.
He was talking about how couples argue when they have kids.
And oftentimes what happens is they argue and the kids see the
argument, but the kids never see the makeup.
They never see how it was actually resolved and what
happened. So what that teaches our kids is
they know how to escalate things.
They know how to get in fights, and they don't know how to
resolve them. And it was like, so in that
video, he's like, So what we do is, you know, yeah, maybe we go
and we resolve it later. But then I tell my kids, hey,
Dad said this to mom and this is what she said, and this is what
we felt. And this is how we, you know,
and then I said, I'm sorry or like whatever it was to help
them understand how to navigate that because instead of just
going this is how you fight, this is how you escalate
something. This is how you get mad.
It was like, this is how you work past that.
This is how you resolve those issues.
And this is how you work to have like a healthy relationship with
your partner and teach that to your kids so they can have
healthy relationships with their friends and their partners.
Isn't that kind of funny where we, we want to show like, I
mean, and this happened just reflecting and maybe, you know,
you have something similar, but the way we perceived ourselves
before was that we're the parent, we're right.
And this is the way it goes. And when you're a parent, you
can make those decisions because this was said to us constantly.
When you're an adult. Yeah, once you're an adult and
instead of being able to like, even call it out, like even
saying you're sorry, like my parents would rarely say they're
sorry to me if they were really. Upset.
Did your parents say they were sorry?
Every once in a while, the one time my dad really said sorry to
me was when he came in the room. I was talking to my mom.
I was being an asshole. My mom went to slap me doing
martial arts for a long time. So when I see a fast movement, I
react Yeah. And so it and I grabbed her hand
and we both do this like kind of movie look like we both look at
that. And she went to go hit me with
the other one and I went and my mom looks at me like this.
Now imagine you're the husband. You come into the room, your 11
year old son is as tall as your wife is holding her by the
wrists. He grabs me by my hair like.
Boom. Peels me off, I let go
immediately and he pulls his first way back.
Yeah, that scares the shit out of you at 11.
Oh dude, it was halfway to me. My mom grabbed it.
She says no, no, I was trying to hit him and he stopped me.
And then I thought about that now and I'm like, I want you to
go back and think about what you just said there.
No, no, it's OK. I was trying to hit him and he
stopped me. Hitting your kid shouldn't be
the first interaction. That should be a deterrent away
from something that they're not stopping.
If your kids on top of another and he's beating the shit out of
them and you can't get them off, yeah, you're going to have to do
something to stop them because they're so in.
Line, but even then I think about like, you know, and and
hitting. I don't think hitting would ever
be my first reaction. I think I would try and tackle
someone because hitting them, well, that's just violence with
violence, but a tackle is more of like a restraint to go, hey,
slow it down. The the only the only reason why
I'm going, I might say that just based off of experience with
like the construction, it's the well, no, no, it's it's the
strength that once somebody is in that spot, like a for
instance, this patient was trying to RIP out the eye of a
nurse and he had scraped all of the skin off of her fucking face
to the skull. Dude, it was bright white here.
Blood's pouring down her face. Reason why he wouldn't she
wouldn't let him go out for his smoke and his coke.
So he mentally unstable, loses his shit, starts doing that.
You know what other people were doing?
They're trying to pull him off. He was a small, skinny 65 year
old man. Oh no, you can't try and pull
him off. I would, that's what.
I said I Oh no, no. I would run and tackle.
They were, they were trying that.
This is multiple times like when they've got the adrenaline
going, they don't feel anything. So when the there were these
women trying to pull him off, but he was so angry and he was
holding on to it. And then, and I'm not saying all
kids would do that and I wouldn't have to go to this
point, but when I got there, I went to pull his hand off and he
went to bite me. So reaction, I went across and I
elbowed him in the back of the head, then grabbed him by his
hair. And then I said, take her and
his hand shot him and I slammed him on the ground and put him in
a crazy wrist lock. And he's like, who's doing that?
And I get down there. It was me, you motherfucker.
It's a Skinhead. I mean, he's crazy, right?
But he is in such a mode that when he finally came to, he came
back to me. His name is George Moon was
George Moon. He goes, hey, Jesse, I'm really
sorry I called you a fucking Skinhead.
I know you're Mexican and you're a Skinhead.
I'm like, hey, can't attack women like that, dude.
Like I don't care. People like that.
Well, I, I, I have a a very, very like you're shut.
With women, yeah. No.
I'm not. I was raised like you don't hit
a woman you don't like, you don't put.
Your hands on. That's not how you do it.
And it wasn't by fear, it was respect.
And just how I was raised. My daughter thinks it's a it's a
ticket to hit her brothers. I'm like, hey, yeah, I won't
beat your ass, but I'll make your life hell yeah.
Do not instigate that. Yeah.
And like, because it's not OK for you to hit them just because
it's not OK for them to hit you. Zander asked me.
He goes, when could I hit my sister?
And like, she has a knife and she's really going to hit you.
Get you fucking Decker, dude. Yeah, fucking Decker.
Any woman does that. If they have a weapon, deck them
if you can. But that's more of like I'm
trying not to die in this second.
Exactly like you have to have nowhere to.
Go some crazy weird in like, yeah.
It's it's the same thing like with knife tech cause Rich and I
are very much agree this seems scary but it's really not.
The guy doesn't know what he's doing.
And when I overcomplicate things, which is usually an
argument with your kids or your wife or whoever, then now you're
both getting cut. But if I'm simplistic about it
and I'm just saying, look, all I need to do is meet just like
what you were saying, I need to meet them and stop them from
where they're at to mitigate their movement so that they can
chill the fuck out. It's the exact same thing and,
and and reason why I even said that because yours is very
valid. Very, very valid.
Like it's your kid I just immediately go back to and I
have a lot of CPSCP. CPTST.
C PS: Yeah, that one. I have a lot of that from the
state hospital. A lot I can imagine.
Like because you take 10 years? Well, plus you've been in like
all the fights growing up. And and then training.
And bouncer, like there's all these things that compound.
Yeah, violence was my home. It was.
It's a very sweet home too, because I'll push myself further
and farther than anything else. I would have been a stupid
soldier. I would have been a stupid
soldier. Really.
Last thing I'll say Sean Shrek McPhee.
He is a Delta Force operator. He was on the Sean Ryan show and
is by far one of the most fucking hilarious and
psychopathic podcast I've ever heard.
He does not care and he talked about.
About anything. No, he cares, but he was raised
in such an abusive climate that he didn't care anymore.
And he put himself through school growing up, got good
grades, not because his parent dad was an alcoholic and mom was
a drug addict. It was just him and his brother
and they took care of these cells.
They left home at 12. Geez.
Lived in a brothel from this prostitute that put him up
because she liked them because they knew each other.
Was in South Chicago and he went back and live with his mom from
when he was 17 until he left for the for the Army.
And dude, he served over 20 years in the Army and he thought
everything was great. He thought it was awesome, all
the abuse they threw him. And he's like, because this guy
had suffered so many horrors growing up that he's like.
Yeah, this is nothing. If they hurt him, he's like,
man, it's OK. Yeah.
My dad used to beat the shit out of him every time he'd come home
drunk. I knew I was getting fucked up.
Yeah. He's like, why are you crying
about it? That's your life.
Just fucking deal with it. And I'm just like, God damn, you
know what he did to fucking combat this?
What he says he did. But for him, it worked.
I don't know if it worked for all of his guys, but he's like,
he asked me because do you have PTSD?
He goes, ah, fuck, yeah. I mean, of course I do, you
know, all that shit. But you know what got rid of a
lot of it. Every time one of my guys would
kill somebody, I'd take him over there and I cut the shirt off
and I'll be like, here's your grouping, dude, you did a good
job. Good job, man.
That's a human body. And they're fucking holes in
them. And he would go over there, cut
the shirt off just to show them your grouping is on point.
That's a marksman. Good job, buddy.
And when they got back to base, that's when they would drink and
they would celebrate them and tell them thank you for saving
us. And he's like, surprisingly my
guys never had shell shock because they normalized the the
killing. They go, oh, this is my job
instead of I'm trying to survive.
And it made sense. But you have to have a very
special leader to teach you that.
And Tim Kennedy, who is another famous special forces guy, he
used to be UFC fighter. Yeah, he used to be UFC fighter.
He was the UFC fighter before he joined the army.
And then he joined the army randomly.
And then he's like, yeah, OK, bye.
So he was AUSC fighter, joined the Army black belt in jiu
jitsu, fucking crushes it in the Army, becomes a green Beret and
then gets pulled over to Delta because they met each other at a
jiu jitsu school in the middle of base.
And Tim Kennedy was getting this guy all the time.
And he's like, who the fuck is this guy?
He goes, hey, what do you do? He's like, hey, you want to come
over over here to the task force?
And he's like crazy. But Tim Kennedy even said he
goes, if there's ever been a more perfect war fighter in ever
of history, it's Sean Shirk, Shrek McPhee.
He's like, he's not going to teach you about how to be a good
human. Matter of fact, he's not a good
role model for that. But if you want to be a war
fighter and you have the mind and the spirit for it, he is the
most deadly war fighter I have ever heard of or seen.
And he served with him multiple times.
He's been in conflicts all over the world.
He's in Bosnia before that when he didn't go to Somalia, he was
like right after Somalia. So he's just like, dude, when
you listen to him, you're like, this is bullshit.
This is got to be bullshit, right?
This is bullshit. But then you listen to Tim
Kennedy was a very respected guy in the Special Forces community.
They're like, he's feared the Taliban terrified of him.
He would go on solo missions in in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Solo mission in general sounds. All he would do, he wouldn't
even talk. No, he'd just go there and he'd
make noises like he was crazy and they'd just push him along.
He had a guy pushing an AK right into his chest, 'cause he's
like, what are you doing here? And he's like, and just kept
talking, walking toward him because I could get at him and
Sean's like, you must have been freaking out.
He goes fuck yeah, I. Was yeah, no shit.
But he said, and it made sense too.
Dude, you want to get into places, Shut the fuck up.
Just walk through. 'Cause it's like when you
pretend or try and have a pod do it.
Yeah. Oh, it's OK.
I have a podcast. What?
Oh yeah, come on in. Right.
Sure. Fuck it.
It works everywhere, dude. It works everywhere.
And if not, it'll make them laugh.
They'll go what? Like, yeah, I got them a
podcast, dude. Come on in, man.
That's cool. That's cool.
All right. Anyways, I got on too long.
I have. No idea, I just wanted to.
We kind of just roll with it and this is our session and say fuck
it, let's do it. I just don't know where you go
from there. It's just been kind of a random
all over. Well, you know, I'm like I I.
And these conversations are I, I don't know, I think about that a
lot. Like I, I was thinking about
some of the stuff you were talking about before and being
more light hearted, you know what I mean?
Like when we were talking about content that we want to develop
for this skits and stuff like that, I started thinking a lot
about life too. And.
We get so caught up and being so serious all the time.
Like I know we try to take breaks and play video games,
stuff like that. But the one thing that we don't
do enough is we don't tell our families that we are going to
have our own time and go do something right?
And, and those of you that are listening, you're like, yeah, I
got a really good friend. I got a group of friends that we
never hang out anymore. But here's why I'm thinking it's
so important is that the more that we can be able to get
outside of ourselves because our conversations are really good.
Oh yeah, I love our conversations.
They think that is probably what's helped keep me halfway
sane. Me.
Too. Me too.
Because you know what The thing is, is it's like something that
Sean Shirk had talked about. Sean Shrek.
Sean. Sean McPhee.
Maybe he's a we'll just call John.
John Shrek McPhee is John St.
Sean. Some guy who's great at killing
but. It was this idea that you you
need to be able to take life little less serious and just be
because when we we have our discussions, it's never anything
about something super serious, but it then it turns.
Into it, but we segue through. It, yeah, but.
Through it, it never like stays there.
No, no, no. No, we just always we segue
through so many different topics within a conversation.
Yeah, like in a short period of time and that a lot of that has
to do with. Or a long period, like we talked
for two hours yesterday on the phone.
And see, I didn't even realize that.
I didn't either until I looked, I'm like doing shit, I'm gonna
go. And then I was like, fuck, like
that says what? Oh yeah, dude, like I started
the whole thing. Like I went to to Walmart and
then from Walmart I went to Costco and Costco, the majority
of the time I spent there was with you in the parking lot
because I knew I didn't have reception inside.
Wow, that's hilarious. And I kept losing you because
I'd walk around because I can't keep still.
Yeah. And I kept.
I would lose you. I'm like oh fuck.
So I knew like 4 points and. I love walking though when I and
this when we talk I'm unless I'm sitting down working and sending
emails where I'm doing something.
Yep, I'm usually wandering the house, the whole me.
Too. Me too.
And that's that's where I was just like, OK, I really, really
need to be able to spend that time outside and it and it with
people that you can be really open with.
I feel that I even though that we may have emotions, like, you
know, we, we had some pent up feelings with each other and all
the shit that's going on, like it can't all be but but it's OK
though, right? I mean, I think that's one thing
that I've noticed more about like our relationship being more
open is by allowing us to be upset.
That's OK to be upset. And it's OK for you to be
frustrated with me and for me to be frustrated with you because
it's only our perception of what is going on.
And then we can decide what our perspective is after.
Not necessarily that the other person is right or wrong, just.
I guess just the feeling. Yeah, I get it.
I I get it. I understand where you're coming
from and like it's OK to feel you know?
Yeah, and that's the thing. I don't think a lot of friends
allow their other friends to just feel, to do that.
Like, I'll, I'll hear people going.
Look, I had a friend of mine who I was talking to and she was
going on about her woes, you know, doesn't have a job or
anything like that. And I'm a pretty sensitive guy.
And you would say yeah around the tip of your.
Dick, right, I guess. No, I wasn't even up.
My mind was actually on a whole another side tangent was like
rich and like emotional abuse and all this other shit right
second. I'm like, it's just been in my
mind so much. Yeah, ever since our interview
with him. Yeah, 'cause.
OK, OK, I'll, I'll finish my thought and then we'll go into
that because I like that. But when I was talking to my
friend, she was just like telling me Oliver woes, right?
Used to be making a lot of money, used to doing this, used
to doing that. Now she's terrified and she
doesn't know what to do. And it's one thing when it's my
terror because I because violence has either been a part
of my life because I chose or because it was in, it was
introduced, right? Like where I grew up, I had no
choice on that. And people go, oh, there's
nothing tough in Utah. There's tougher things
everywhere. There's probably tough places in
Beverly Hills. Who knows?
It could be the kind of rich guys you know, the guys who only
make 2 million a year. Like their houses are so fucking
tiny. Yeah, they only drive like the
cheap end of the Tesla or like the the C Class Mercedes.
Dude, that's so. Fucking three series.
I'll have to tell you something about the C series because that
that's actually pretty funny. That's funny, but the idea that,
so she said she started to tell me all these things and I start
to feel them because I'm feeling them at that very moment
already. And she called me and I started
to tell her I'm like, I feel the same ways.
And I started to get emotional but I'm holding it back.
But you can hear my voice breaking a little bit and she
says, hey, hey, hey, I call you when I can't get up because I
know that you can pick me up and anybody else I could be like,
oh, that's fucked up. But now think about that kind of
responsibility. If you are doing that.
Not all of us can be that. Not all of us should be that.
But if you have inspired somebody and they look up to you
and you come to them going, hey, I feel life too.
You shouldn't feel ashamed of that either.
And I started to feel ashamed of it.
I'm like, fuck, yeah, you're right.
I'm the happy go lucky guy that has good tattooed on his
fucking. No, has nothing to do with that.
It's and when she said that, I was like, there's a separation
of close friendships. There's work friends, there's
social friends and there's close friends.
Well, and even within that, it's probably every relationship.
How honest with the other person are we?
How open with that other person are we?
How much of the true version of our self is shown or seen by our
family, our friends, our partners or whatever, You know,
because it's like, well, what about these thoughts?
What about this? Are they going to judge me?
Like are they going to treat me different?
Is this going to be like, is this going to be a deal breaker?
Like 'cause. Everything's quid pro quo.
Yeah, and it's like, oh shit, this.
Is what I give you. You have to give back.
Like or or just like. That version of me might not be
lovable. I never thought of it that way.
That version of me might not be OK.
Or do you does that? Does that?
Is that a concern of yours? I think it was for a while, way
more when I after I got, yeah, after I was married and got
divorced, then it was like I didn't know who I was, so.
How could you? Yeah.
And so it was, you know, it took a while and then when I figured
out more of who I was, I'm like, I'm not going to hide this.
I'm not going to be ashamed of who I am and go, yeah, well, I
don't use cannabis or I'm, I'm like, I I'll go to church for
you or I'll do this. But like if I don't believe
these things or if I don't like, if there's things that I'm like,
yeah. And I'm like that's but that's
not, is that me? Is that truly me?
Or am I just doing it to appease someone else?
And am I doing that motion? And if so, if they truly love
me, would they make me do that if they knew that it didn't make
me happy and where I want to be? Because if I knew that they
weren't happy doing these things, would I make them do
those things because it made me happy?
Or where'd I go? They really hate this.
This actually, this doesn't make them happy here.
I find happiness and I can do this thing without them and
still find my joy. There's all these other things I
can do, you know, but like, and, and there's, there's things that
it's like, OK, well, this doesn't bother me.
Like, yeah, it's not my favorite, but I, I don't mind.
Like Whoopi Doo, I'll go do that, you know?
But there's other things that you're like, I don't, that's not
my thing. Yeah, totally.
And it it's so hard. I think it should be OK to go
like, yeah, that's fine. Like, you don't need to be
everything of this you can find, you know, like, you and your
wife, you have different hobbies, different things.
And to imagine that you would have to be every stupid little
thing is like I think both of you would become overwhelmed.
It would be boring as shit for me, dude, because for me it's
variety, you know? But here's the problem with me
before was I love variety, but as long as it fits within the
social construct that I know. So back in the day, if I was
with like I was dating this one woman, I stayed with her because
we were living together, but I didn't stand.
I couldn't stand her for fucking five months of the nine that we
were together. Yeah.
Right. I mean, we were together for
like a month and then we were able to start, we started
becoming intimate like after two months, for like 2 months of
that. And then the rest of it, yeah,
nothing. And she's still living in my
fucking apartment and I'm like what the fuck?
This is so stupid and it just because and I and I look back
because I go, ah, what the fuck was wrong with me?
No, it was a my intellectual status.
And again, why is it so important to have close friends
that you can be able to talk to and be honest with and take
their feedback, say hey, man, I fucking think this is going on.
Like our conversations that we've had when we've been upset
with each other could have been real easily gone to fuck you.
I'm not talking to you anymore like any other person.
I mean, we're not talking like crazy stuff.
Like dude, I can't believe you fucked my wife.
Something like that. No, no, because that's your
cousin and that would be even weirder.
Yeah, and also my ex is nuts, so I don't know why you would, you
know? So either way, I feel like that
would have been weird on all levels.
Right. But I mean, it's, it's like, you
know, differences of opinion on, on certain things or perceptions
that we have of the other one that maybe we're not clear on.
And you know, like our last combo, like it was hard.
It was hard for you to tell me certain things.
And I understood that. And I was glad that I was in a
place where I could understand it and really reflect on it
because I, I truly felt like I was like, OK, now I better
understand your position. Now I better understand your
frustration. Now I understand what I am doing
and becoming more self aware over time and finding new things
to add to this. You know, organizational
behavior crap in my head. Oh, it's constant.
It's constant. Now it's like all these
conversations and it's been even over the last God, three years.
I've even the show I'm like and also on that tangent.
By the time this airs will have hit 200 episodes, 200 episodes.
And for everyone who has been along for the ride and like come
along, that's. Hey.
That's a huge like. That's awesome. 200 episodes.
Well, I've done 200 episodes. That's a fuck ton of episodes.
That's a lot of that be too for for you to watch the I don't
know how long it would take to watch our entire catalogue, but
it would it would take a long ass time.
And if you are listening to that much, thank you.
That's cool. Yeah, but at the same time too,
it's weird man, how much time goes by.
But the the evolution of what's going on, if you look at our our
episodes back in the day, totally different from now.
Or listen to them even like I think the way we probably sound
in our flow, even in like our our confidence in the mic.
Oh yeah. But it's like so different.
But isn't that funny too now because it's it's different.
Like if I'm a guest on a podcast, you're a guest on a
podcast. Like we just flow, but when
we're I. Find it's easier for me to guest
on a podcast honestly than it is for me to like interview happier
headspace Oh yeah yeah yeah. Headspace because I'm like.
'Cause you're in your head, yes. And and I talked about.
That's how I am with how to get along with humans.
Yesterday on the hike with my dad and my brother and they were
asking about life and stuff and how everything's going.
And I was like, you know, I've been doing this and I was like,
it's really hard for me to actually record that.
And they're like, really. I'm like, yeah, I just, I don't
feel like I'm an expert. I'm like, I don't like to
usually talk on something unless I don't have to be an expert.
But I feel like I have to know enough that I can actually talk
from a place of knowing something and mental health.
I don't feel like I have enough education or experience.
But then and I realized the purpose of the show is not to
have me be the expert. But it's up here that I'm like,
I shouldn't be speaking about this.
It's the same way with like growing up in the church and I
was mid 20s and married and it was like, I got a calling to
teach 1415 year olds. And I'm like, I don't even know
if I believe this, let alone know this that much.
Why am I up here teaching other people this?
You should have someone who actually understands this
teaching this, not someone who has no fucking clue going up
there and going, yeah, well, this you're probably not going
to gain as much from this because I'm the one teaching you
versus someone who knows what they're doing, probably is
better spoken, actually feels comfortable in doing this.
And it's fine because like maybe that helped in some way.
But I don't feel like I actually gained skills in that time that
I that I did that. And it was more because it was
forced upon, not because it was something that I was.
Well, because you felt obligated. 100% yes.
That was why. Because people always say, like,
I remember that, like in the church early on, like when I
came back into the church when I was 28 years old, and when I
came back in, there was kind of funny.
Like one guy said to me, he goes, yeah, dude, if you get a
calling, you just take it, right?
And I'm like, no, if it doesn't fit me, I don't take it.
And at first I did, dude. I was taking care of like little
kids and I was going around talking to members of their
community and stuff like that. I did too much.
See. It was just.
The only reason, and this is all it was kind of snowballed.
Yeah, it's a guilt thing. It was my brother and my whole
family were they were going to the temple once a month.
My parent like it was a big thing and my parents would take
everyone to dinner after and me and my wife were the only family
members that weren't going because we weren't sealed in the
temple. And my youngest brother was the
only one to go on a mission and he was leaving to go on his.
He was like, I challenge you guys to go through the temple
and that's weird. It was like, that's weird.
It was weird. And and so we like.
I challenge you to be faithful. Like we, we weren't going to
church all the time or whatever. And so they were like, all
right, so we went in. It was like, well, the Bishop,
in order to go to temple, we had to do all these things.
And he was like, well, you need to have a calling.
So I'm going to give you this and you need to do this and you
need to do this. You need to go to these classes
and you need to be here every week.
And, and I was like, OK, so we did all of that and we went
through and like we got sealed. Yeah, and that funny 'cause it
kind of feels like the same processes back in the day when
you'd crossed the border from Mexico and to the United States.
All you had to do was hold up your ID and say United States
citizen and they got gone through.
That sounds like exactly what the process was for.
You but it was like it was so weird and then after we did it
and we had moved to a new ward and my ex-wife was like hey the
Bishop is the Bishop called. Don't know why they called her,
but they called her and they were like, oh, they want to have
us come in and talk to him. And I'm like, I'll go in and
talk to him. But just so you know, I'm not
accepting a calling and I will not talk in church.
And I'm going to tell him that. And she's like, you can't do
that. I'm like, yes, I can.
And I'm going to. And we sat down and the Bishop
was like, hey, welcome to the ward.
I'm like, hey, nice to be here. And he was like, I'd love to ask
you to speak. And I'm like, you're welcome to
ask me to speak. My answer's going to be no.
You can ask her to speak and she'll tell you what her answer
will be. And I'm like, and if you asked
me to have a calling, I already did this in the last word and I
learned that that didn't make sense.
So you're welcome to give me a calling, but the answer is going
to be no as well. Wow, how'd that go?
Was he cool about it or was he kind?
Of what was he going to say? There was nothing he would say
that would change my mind. Right, And that's the the
problem with it is it perpetuated within it is that
you feel obligated instead of called to because just like
recently I went and talked to, you know, my pleisigastical
leader and my Bishop and I went to him and I said, Hey, man, I
need you to put me to work. I said, I feel a strong calling.
I want to serve other people. And the only reason why I felt
that was because it was it was cool.
This girl got up and said, you know, hey, little girl, she's
like, if you ever feel bad about what's going on in your life,
and this is just a good philosophical thing, you ever
feeling really bad about what you're doing in life or where
you're at, go serve, serve somebody in the smallest way or
the largest way. And so I started doing that like
I was just like, she's right. And so I told him I was like,
hey, on Sunday, I want to, I want to do something, I want to
do something I want to. And I said, don't stick me in
something where I'm teaching a bunch of little kids on some
type of dogma that you guys wanted me to push on.
No, I want to just I want to have discussions.
I'm better in the discussion role.
So put me in that role, put me with adults, put me with
teenagers and I'll I'll do great.
But so you love that, like public speaking, having that,
leading that and for me and at that age, 100% that was not me.
Oh dude, it it's probably still like, I mean, imagine this
'cause you, I don't know if you've ever experienced that.
Have you ever spoken in front of a large crowd?
Define large. Like couple 100 people.
Maybe 100? Like you speak.
But that was to me still. No, it's still a lot of people.
Do you spoke at graduation? Yeah.
Which? What do you valedictorian?
So no I. This is funny.
We got to go there. This.
Is hilarious of all things. So I had gotten kicked out of
temp view for not going to class.
So I got sent to this private school.
I had gotten kicked out of the private school because it was a
LDS based private school and there was.
I didn't. Know you got kicked out of
there. Not kicked out.
I got set to home school, so I got to watch the DVD version of
the classes, The DVD version 'cause they would record them
and they would send them out around the around the world I
think. And people would pay and do
their home classes there. And yes, I did it all over and
'cause that's how I started in there because I wasn't able to
get into a spot. So after I got kicked out to Tim
View, I did like 3 months of home school watching their
videos, doing that at home. And then from there I was able
to get into the class and I was there for the rest of that
school year, rest of sophomore year and then junior.
Oh no, it wasn't 'cause they're like most of sophomore year.
And then there was this like it wasn't even a school event.
I was just hanging out with like four of the kids that were from
the school and they were all inhaling air duster cause air
duster. They're getting high.
It makes your voice go really low and you sound funny and you
go, it's like the opposite of helium.
Yeah, there's a compressed air. I know, but the there's a gas.
It that's in there, I don't. Yeah, that that causes that.
Is it like laughing gas? Is it?
Is it nitrous oxide? No, no, no.
But it will lower your voice. Yeah, so.
So like. Yeah, so we were doing that.
We weren't at the school, we weren't at a school event, we
weren't anything somehow out of that group of people that were
all there doing it. That got back to the principal
at the school. And because it's an LDS based
school, well, she pulled me in to talk to her and she was like,
Hey, I heard that you and so and so and so and so and so and so
were doing this. And I was like, I, I don't know
where you heard that. I did, but I, I'm not a fucking
snitch. And so because I didn't, because
I didn't rat out all the other people, she kicked me out and
sent me to be home schooled. And so I was homeschooled the
rest of that school year and then the beginning of the next
school year. Yeah, but I had been grounded
for six months at Tint View because, you know, my grades
were below B minus. And so once they went downhill
and I was grounded to stop giving any care like.
Yeah, that's such bullshit. Didn't bother with anything.
So at that point I was like, yeah, I I don't don't care to go
to class or try and pay attention.
Like I'm grounded anyway, what are you going to do?
And then so when I got kicked out of there in Leahona, like
after I was there, so my junior year, I was there all year.
And after that, like I stopped getting in trouble because the
first year I got in trouble for like talking too much, chewing
gum in class, you know, like stupid, stupid things.
And then I got kicked out for the air duster thing.
And so, but then I was there sophomore year, junior year and
I became friends with like all the goody like whatever kids,
but I was also friends with the other kids.
Like I was just more friendly. And then it became they ran for
like student president and stuff, but I didn't want to.
I was doing soccer, I was doing basketball and I was working and
I'm like, shit, I don't have time to do student council.
Like there's no way that I have time to add that into it.
And so I just, I ran for King instead.
So I just put up posters of like, vote Brandon for King
because I'm not going to run for president.
What does King do? He doesn't do anything but just
tell people what to do. Like, that's fine, I'll do that.
So I put up posters and did all that shit and I was like, yeah,
I'll run for King, but I'm not running for school president.
And then like the whole next year, I did a lot better.
And for some reason, the principal at the end of the year
was like, hey, we'd love to have you speak at graduation.
Like what? What?
Were you the King? Me, No, no.
It's just like they for some reason out of like everyone that
graduated, like I was one of the people that they asked to speak.
I never. I couldn't do it then.
Oh, I couldn't. I didn't prep for it and I got
up and I was like, hey, as most of you guys know, I am great at
procrastination, so obviously I didn't write anything down.
And everybody laughed. And yeah, and then I went on
with like a couple things and then I ended a few minutes
later, like, I'm not here to speak and that shit.
And it was like, I don't know why I'm even up here.
Was was your heart racing right? When you got yeah, it was like I
I have been asked when I was young.
I was asked to speak once in church.
I was 14 and I got up and it was the worst thing.
And I felt so shaky and my heart's pounding in my chest and
I'm standing up there and of course it's Utah, so the entire
congregation is full and there's probably at least 100 people in
that one. And I was like, all right, this
was awkward. And then graduation was awkward.
Graduation I felt more comfortable in because I was
just being a smart ass, which I'm very good at.
And then, you know, so going, and I think it's fine if it's
just me talking, but it's in an educational stance where I'm
like, I don't feel confident or feel like this is something I
really should be because I, I wouldn't feel like I should go
up and educate people on something I don't know anything
about. Yeah.
But I mean, sometimes it's not even the education part because
you look at individuals such as like people that I look up to
within like the marketing community, right?
Like Seth Godin. I'm a big fan of Seth Godin.
He speaks, but he doesn't do anything anymore, like he
doesn't do marketing, OK. What he does is he's.
He doesn't do any of that anymore.
No, no, he speaks and he sees trends and then he writes books
on the trends that he's seeing and he's prophesying that come
true. And what's pretty much pretty
much like, that's the way I perceive him, right?
And then there's other people like Gary Vaynerchuk.
Like, at first they very much seem like somebody that you want
to follow. Yeah, but he's like the Paris
Hilton of the entrepreneurial world.
And I fucking hate saying that 'cause I think he's a cool guy.
And that makes makes sense. Are they?
God, yeah, makes sense. It's fucking funny because he
isn't like, oh, he said something so profound.
Take care of your people. Like, fucking everybody says
that shit. Like, tell me how, motherfucker.
And he's like just take care of him and say fuck all the time.
I mean I can do that. I do it all the time anyways,
but it's that idea that we, you know, I, I like looking up to
these individuals, but they don't necessarily have to be
experts. And that's that that common
problem that we have is that expert bias where they have to
either have a alphabet behind their name or they've got to be
wearing certain things right. It always takes me back to like
Dave. Chappelle I still don't feel
like an expert with cannabis anything.
No, but it's, you know, even in this one, I feel not like an
expert, but I at least feel enough that I can, I'm educated
enough that I can speak on it. Well, and not only that though,
but here's the thing. There's a lot of other podcasts
like ours. There's lots, there's hundreds
of these types of podcasts. That's the reason why there's
hundreds, I mean, well in the state.
But here's the thing, the reason why we've done so well on that
one is that we have learned a lot about it.
We learned a lot about what we want to talk about.
And even though we may not see ourselves as experts because
we're constantly learning, there's a lot of people out
there that have had like massive aha moments when we were
talking. And the cool part is that how
much they engage with it because they are like, yeah, I want to
know more about it. Like it's like that conversation
we had yesterday with that in particular individual that was
talking about how how upset he was that, you know, his nephew
found out through a conversation that he was using cannabis.
And, and I just got I got really frustrated with him and said,
hey, man, either you're going to become a part of the problem or
part of the solution. But if you aren't being able to
be open enough around everybody that you use cannabis, it's not
heroin, bro. It's not hookers, right?
If you came to somebody going I have a problem with hookers.
Or if you hear them like making a comment about cannabis that's
incorrect, you're like, oh hey, I'm going to not allow that to
be a problem. I'm going to help change that
with maybe a simple education and going dude.
Do you remember that part in What's that one Dave Chappelle
movie? Half baked.
Half baked, Yeah, When he goes to rehab and he goes up and
talks and he goes, man, I've been.
Addicted to pot? Everybody's like.
What? Yeah.
Addicted to pot? That's not addicted.
They go and and let's just. Say suck Dick for pot.
Yeah, he goes no, Boo this man. That's the first thing that gave
in my head was that seed when when this guy I know was saying
these things and I was just like, but that goes kind of on
to. I mean, I know this podcast has
gone all over the place, but it's just like an open dialogue,
You know, we're just gonna go. But it, it honestly made me
think like, why do I need to? I mean, it's like being really
like, oh, man, they finally found out.
Like what? Like I drink.
I picked up one of these liquid deaths.
Slaughter Berry. It's just water.
Yeah, it's it's an iced tea. The first time I had had one was
at a hotel. They had a bit in the room and I
was like, oh, OK. I thought mine was broken
because it didn't have any tingle.
It wasn't sparkly. Yeah.
And then I'm like, oh, it's iced tea you fucking retard.
That's funny. But it was nice because I was
looking for something with low sugar and I needed something to
pick me up a little bit because I didn't get to bed till like 2.
AM last night and. I was up at 6, so 4 hours, but I
feel great. But when I I had that, it's not
like somebody's going to go like, oh shit, they found out I
drink liquid that honestly they're going to think I'm a
pretentious fuck. The first times I saw it I just
thought it was like either a beer or.
I know it looks like a. Beer an energy drink.
But it's brilliant. It's brilliant advertising.
You've taken water, sparkling water, and just created a brand
around it, which is cool. Like, hey, if you want to buy
it, it's not crazy outrage. I mean buying bottled water is
stupid, but we still do it anyways.
Because it's convenient. Yeah.
I only buy it when I don't have my like refillable one with me
too. Like if I don't have my steel
one with me. Yep.
Yeah. But you think about that.
Like, I shouldn't be ashamed of drinking this water or eating a
certain type of food or maybe and enjoying a certain type of
entertainment, you know, like video games.
Like, I think I get more, I, I would probably get more shit if
I went to an entrepreneurial like gathering, like a
networking thing. And if we were there and we were
talking about, like when we talk about being cannabis guys, dude,
we're surrounded by people. It's funny.
They just want to talk to us the whole time about getting high
and what? Everything else.
Yeah, they just tell us everything.
All of a sudden we turn into priests.
Oh, you get high. Yeah.
This one time I had this like 3 prostitutes with me and they
were all named Sarah and I couldn't tell which one was
doing what's. Whenever I say Sarah do this,
they would all do it, you know, like.
Am I absolved of my sins now? And I'm like no but I feel like
I should go get high so. I think I need to take a shower
that that's fucking gross, dude. But no, it definitely is.
It's just this weird thing, like you, it doesn't necessarily got
to be proud of it. Like we wear things to go about
cannabis. I was actually almost going to
wear that today. That's fucking hilarious.
That would have been awesome. I need to wear it next time.
It's my favorite sweatshirt that we have.
It is it's got the highest quality, the best print.
I loved it. I still.
Want to get Miguel to do our stuff?
I do too. Somebody.
Yeah. Have you got a promo company?
But really good quality, because that was The thing is this like
as long as it's good high quality stuff.
Well, and that's the other thing we were trying to do, like we
were talking about, we want to partner with like a, a, some
type of merch company that wants to be able to be a part of
cannabis school, get in front of those individuals and for us to
have really cool looking merch that people would want to wear
like this is cool. I, I see the cannabis school
tells people it's OK, it's OK that you not just enjoy this,
but that you use this for specific reasons and it helps
you because I think about all those people that just get high.
I feel bad. Yeah, I feel like they're
missing out on a lot. Yeah, you're getting shorted big
time. It's not like heroin.
Like, oh dude, have you ever tried heroin at a water park?
Because that's badass. Not.
Tried it there either. Dude doing that is the same as
doing pills. Like I remember back in the day
when I was doing stupid stupid shit like I was to pop in a
couple of lower tab 10s and then going to the bar.
If I would have gone to sleep I would have fucking died.
I had a very good friend of mine in high school.
After high school went to the I went to the military, came back.
He died weeks before I came home.
That sucks. He went drinking with some
friends, came home popped a couple Tylenol before he went to
sleep to so he didn't have a headache when he woke up.
He never woke up. Mom found him dead.
He was a cool dude too, one of the coolest guys I've ever met
and it was really sad and but the pills only make you feel
like pills. The only thing that I know I've
been able to get into when I use alcohol and drugs together is
problems. Right.
Yeah, lots of problems. It was mostly.
Alcohol. It was just girl.
Problems for me, Yeah, girls problems all the time.
I'm just way more likely to like, strip down and get naked.
Yeah, yeah or yeah. Dude, we're never doing that
ever. Well, I mean, it's, it's
allowing yourself to be OK with it and it's not even allowing
yourself. Just saying like there's nothing
wrong with this. The way I use cannabis is the
same way I use my food. I like to have good food, I like
to have good weed, and if I have good weed I feel pretty good.
Me too. And I'm able to calm myself down
if I need to be calm or if I'm just like, you know, I got to
focus on something. I need to get this shit done.
Like I told you, man, I was able to knock out a fuck ton of work
yesterday. And I use, I mix Durbin poison
and cat and cheetah piss and concentrate.
I just put them on that same thing and put them in the
banger. And dude, that was really nice.
That sounds fantastic. Did you know that Durbin poison,
I mean Durbin poison is really good for GI problems, totally
crazy. Yeah, and it has pain relieving.
Problems so that really helps after you've done like your Med
and that for the week. Oh yeah dude.
And sneak peek. Total crazy thing that I found
out. You know what helps out with GI
problems more than THC? CBD.
Really. So I tested it and because my
guts are all fucked up because. And it helps.
Totally dude. Within 30 minutes, my guts.
Felt a lot better. That's huge.
And I was like. You just got to do it in
conjunction. I bet the two together do
fantastic. Things what the THC does is it
helps your mind to take it off of the pain and to but it
doesn't get rid of the pain, but the CBD, it's the inflammation.
Yeah. And I was like.
Well, this is massively inflamed.
Well. If you do a tanger, it's a lot
easier to do that too because it's going inside.
When Years ago when I was going back down to Texas and that all
the time, my ex-wife was diagnosed with Crohn's.
And yeah, and one of the trips when I went down, her mother had
Mersa and she was diagnosed with Crohn's.
Wait a minute, is this the bath bomb?
No, no, so I but I brought a pen down and the pen just had an
untwistable lid on like top. And so her mother had had
actually gone to like Colorado and it had edibles before for
her pain. And I was like, well, if you do
that, this is the exact like I'll just put a tiny drop in
your coffee. And she did that and it helped
with her pain and it was great. And I did the same thing for my
ex-wife because she hadn't eaten for days.
Really. She was sleeping great and she I
passed out in the car for like an hour and a half.
I've been hungry. Well, I took my daughters to
gymnastics and then after that she was starving and ate like an
entire thing of lasagna and a bunch of breadsticks and stuff.
And it's like, holy shit. It made a massive difference in
the impact and the ability to eat.
And it's like, yeah, I can imagine that that with CBD or
something would just. CBD and CBD are really good for
for gut, but that, that's cool is that I know that now, right?
And, and learning these things and applying them and testing
them on myself and knowing what works, what doesn't work, makes
an impact. Well, it's like glazed apricot
Gelato. Oh yeah.
You told me you tried. That mixed it and it was great,
but alone for me it just makes me uncomfortable.
A lot of tightness when I was just by itself.
And here's the thing, it's because we've used so many
different strains, we know how it makes us feel that when we
get something like that, to a a layperson who's not really into
cannabis as much as we are and they're starting to get in, I
could see using any cannabis as like, yeah, I'm going to get
because you remember the first times you used it, you'd get
wicked high. Because you feel high because
it's more of like you don't notice the terpenes or the
experience. And you might if there was like
a specific one that made you feel more focused or some
specific way. But like, I feel most of it is
at the beginning, most people are not noticing that because
all they're feeling is, well, they've not felt high.
And all of a sudden there's this whole new experience.
And if they're doing it in a way that is to get high, not just
like a very low medicinal like microdose, they don't actually
feel euphoric. They feel like most of them are
just experiencing those first highs.
And it's like, whoa. Yeah.
Oh, dude, I remember those first times after you gave me that
pen. Like, you know, there's very few
moments in my life where I can go back and look real fondly on
it going, yeah, that was a good day.
And I can still go back to it. And I remember that day and.
That's when you were mowing the lawn on the moon.
Yeah, dude, it was, it was the best like when I used it the
first time. Do you remember when we we were
down at Remember My Provo home and you came over and we were
playing a video game together on my TV but we just sat there
smoking our carts the whole time?
Yeah, we did about a lot more when you lived close.
Yeah, it was a lot easier than. But no, dude, even then, like we
need to make that time. We need to make that time to
hang out whenever. And, you know, for me, what I
think it is for me is I'm like also worried because we're such
in a stressful point in our life where I'm like worried that, you
know, my wife's going to be upset that I'm going to do
something because I, I'm very, very hard on myself.
And I just let it go because. It's a feeling of like I don't
deserve to do that because I haven't accomplished what I
should do to be a man because being a man means I should
support my family in the way that I feel like equates being a
man. And that's, but that's OK.
I mean, at least you were aware of that and that you want to do
something different. Right now.
They are been doing statistical data on it and they've been
finding that a lot of men are not working, period.
And they're choosing not to work.
They're choosing to stay at home.
They're choosing to play video games and get on assistance and
they're getting it. I was surprised to see, yeah,
there's something that it was like the amount of men that live
at home, it's like from over the last 20 or 30 years is gone.
It was like around 10 or 12% I think about 20 years ago.
And now it's now it's up over 25 or so.
And I'm like, holy shit. Like it's a massive increase.
But at the same time, cost of housing has gone up a lot.
Like there's there's a lot of factors that I'm sure also play
into that. Well, then the other part too is
that people don't want to get a job that they feel is beneath
them. It's not necessarily the pay.
It's it's, it's the status, because our world is has become
a lot about status and it's slowly going away from that,
right? People know that the influencer
on on Instagram is not a real person, right?
The girl that you follow on Only Fans really isn't always about
putting as many objects into all of her holes that that's not
that she doesn't wake up going a thicker diameter that'll
increase the profits. No.
In fact, the the ones that I do know that are on there, every
time that I meet with them, talk with them, see them, I don't
think there's a single comment or discussion ever about that.
Which is funny because don't don't you think that more
professionals would probably have a better life if they
didn't talk about their fucking job all the time?
Because I talk about my job all the time.
I talk about it all the time. And the only reason why is
because I'm so fixated on it. Because I want to make something
out of it. Like I I actually envy people
who hate their jobs in that sense because they just go fuck.
That I'm done. I've done my 8 hours, my you
know, whatever. Yep, I am off the clock.
Fuck off. I am just chilling and I can't
turn it off and that sucks sometimes.
The only times I get to turn it off are when I'm playing games
with you and that's it. It's.
Because I know most of the time there's a lot of other shit of
like, oh wait, what about this? What about this?
What about this?
Even I mean, and no, no, it's with you and my wife.
That's it. That's the only time I've been
doing better, though. I've been creating those times
like I go lifting with my boys at least four times a week.
Yeah, you're doing that a lot more now.
Yeah, because we got that like HOA neighborhood.
Or community gym. And it's a really nice one.
I was like totally shocked because usually it's like some
shitty machine and some like mixed match looking weights and
stuff. That meal.
Yeah, that's all fucked up and you're.
Like, all right, Yeah, yeah, it makes Claypen in the corner.
Yeah, there's. And it's like awful and it's got
boogers all over the fucking side and the toys are all like
slobbered on and sticky and you're like, I don't want my kid
touching this fucking Petri dish.
But no, dude, it, it literally has because now I've been trying
to force it's not. No, I'm going to say that I have
been forcing myself to take more time away from those thoughts.
Like I don't have to constantly be listening to books about.
Business or behavioral science or consumer psychology or
anything like that. Just because I find it
fascinating doesn't mean that I need to do it all the time.
And there was a day where I was like, I don't know what strain I
smoke, but it was just like, no, no, turn that off, dude.
Turn it off. Nice.
Just listen to whatever, but don't listen to this right now,
all right? That's cool.
I was like yesterday going on the hike.
Yeah. I was like, oh shit, I don't
know. And I was actually stressing,
thinking like, I don't, I don't know if I can do this.
I don't know if I'm going to actually have time or be able to
get this in because I was like, shit, I don't know what to do
with Addie. Like how am I going to get her
home from school? And yeah.
Yeah, dude. I mean, and it's it's.
But that was like the best just disconnect.
To detach. Oh my gosh, yeah.
I'm like I have not done this. It's what I like about what
Jocko says, you know, when he's talking about the laws of
combat, he talks about this first law of combat is
detachment. And so in order for you to be
able to really get a view of what's going on, you need to
step back. And that's an easy thing to say.
But when I put this in my mind now and I've imprinted it there
where I go, I'm going to detach right now.
So like I had a really difficult conversation with a client and
it was a hard one, and they gave me a lot of really negative
feedback. And it normally it would have
made me mad because instead of feeling sad, I feel mad.
And then I get defensive. How dare you say that these
things actually happened? So I'm just like, all right,
fine, fuck it, I'm just going to go with it.
But I detached. I'm like, you're not here and
you need to take a step back and see their perspective and not
respond with your emotion. And when I just said like in my
head, and this sounds stupid too, I hear Han Solo's voice.
I hear Harrison Board's voice in my my mind from like Empire
Strikes Back where they like take the Millennium Falcon and
attach it to this Imperial ship. And he goes detach and they
float away. That's what I think.
I said detach in my head and I float away and I go, OK.
And that was cool. So when you think about
detaching and being able to be a part of it, then you can go, no,
it's OK if I do this, what's the worst that's going to happen to
you if you go on this hike? Your dad'll go way too fast.
Oh. My God, he's got so much energy
for being, for being 60. Yeah.
And after having all these crazy ass surgery, yeah.
Holy. Shit, right?
That guy's probably got more scars than Pinhead does in Hell
Raiser. Yeah, I was surprised.
He's probably. Got wicked scars all over.
Dude for my younger brother who plays, I don't know if he plays
soccer anymore, but he played soccer for 15 years.
Probably Thomas Alec. Oh yeah, yeah.
And me and Alec were the ones on the hike with him and going hey
we're probably OK doing like 70% of this speed even.
We passed every single person on the trail going up like
everyone. We were walking faster then.
That's not enjoyable. I was like, Oh my God.
But even then, like. I was glad I was smoking.
Oh well, it makes it a lot easier.
Then I was like, it's. Cool, what pen did you have with
you? I was rocking.
Oh my God, I'd have to go look at what that.
No, hang on, let me think. I was using when I went on my
hike. What did I get?
It's not Otter pop, it's it's an it's a hybrid.
I was doing banana banana kush. Oh, that would be nice.
Yeah, I. Puffed on that thing the whole
way up. Like no shits given.
Like I'd probably say like every quarter of a mile I was taking a
hit. Mine was definitely more quarter
mile, yeah. About that I mean almost.
To it could have been every. You know, maybe a little less.
Mine could have. It was never more like.
That mine definitely could have been more no.
No, no distance wise. Oh yeah, no.
I mean, I'm only telling this because I'm trying to make it
sound less than it was, because it's not like somebody was just
like, dude, impressive. You ate that entire package of
Oreos. Like nobody fucking says that.
Nobody said that one one really. You know, gluttonous person
doesn't look to another one going fucking.
Hey bro, good job taking down that burger.
No, you did it. Mission accomplished.
Yay. Unless it's like going to that
restaurant and it's the challenge they have because it's
like that 10 LB burger. We call this the colon Buster.
That's what it should be. But you know, it's, I don't
know, At the end of the day, we need to give ourselves a little
bit more, a little bit more slack on if we're going to die
or not really take that time to be able to get that just be
whether it's a hike, playing video games, doing something.
Hell, maybe if your thing is just smoking weed and looking
off your porch, fucking A yeah, why not, right?
You should get high and just hang out because you're probably
moving way too fast in your mind and you need to slow the fuck
down. And maybe everywhere else in
life, because sometimes you know, we are really moving like
1,000,000 miles a minute, so. So take a break.
Smoke strain. Yeah, and find your perfect
strain. Go through our entire catalog
and find the strain that you like the most.
Hey, even here's a good idea. See if you want us to do a
follow up review on any of those strains and we'll see if we can
find them again. Oh, and in the comments below,
let us know your favorite strains of all time because I'm
very curious to go see what ones we haven't done, what ones we
haven't even tried, and what ones become our new favorites.
So. Yeah, no, there's so many really
good ones out there. Still jonesing for black amber?
Yeah, that was amazing. It's a bit.
More. Yeah, we got it.
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