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I'm Brandon. 
And I'm Jesse we're. 

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Cannabis school having cannabis 
infused conversations with 

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everyday. 
People. 

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Cannabis companies. 
Celebrities. 

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And your mom? 
Welcome to the sesh. 

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Go crazy. 
And a lot of it comes from our 

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childhood. 
A lot of it comes from I didn't 

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get this, I didn't get that. 
And unknowingly, I turned my 

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kids into spoiled brats. 
But a lot of people have. 

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See ya, I always didn't do much.
And Susan? 

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'S family always got a million 
like or second Christmas and it 

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was coming around like, all 
right, what do we do? 

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Because Haley's two. 
Yeah, so already at 2, she's got

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this many presents from Nana, 
from us, from all. 

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Like look at this mountain of 
presents. 

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What are we going to do next 
year and the year after and the 

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year after? 
Yeah, we're going to keep doing 

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this. 
What are we going to do? 

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Because and we watched. 
What was it? 

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Oh, Harry Potter and it has that
little fat greedy fuck kid who's

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like, there's only 34. 
There was 35 last year. 

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And I'm like, that would bug the
shit out of me. 

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I don't want to raise that as a 
child. 

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I know. 
So it was like, how do we do 

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this in a way that doesn't do 
it? 

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I was like, well, Jesus, got 3 
gifts. 

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So our kids get 3 gifts. 
That's it. 

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It can be more expensive because
whatever, but three gifts 

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because honestly, do they need 
more than three? 

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Because they're still going to 
get one from family. 

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Like whatever, there's still 
stuff from every fucking other 

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place. 
Yeah. 

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And you know, the thing too 
about it is when they get the 

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gifts, the gift that was 
thoughtful isn't always the most

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expensive, and it usually gets 
pushed off to the side. 

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And and that's something I've 
been thinking a lot about, too. 

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For this next Christmas, I'm 
just like, look, let's just get 

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them the things that we know 
that they would enjoy, get them 

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a couple of dinky things and 
that's it. 

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We don't need to go crazy 
overboard. 

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Yeah, And I mean, dude, for like
me this last year, what did I 

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get? 
I don't even remember what I 

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got. 
It was something. 

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I I was sure that my parents 
did. 

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As we got older, they would buy 
more family things like a, a 

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foosball table. 
Cool. 

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This is our family gift. 
This is part of Christmas. 

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And as a family now we can all 
play this together. 

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We can do these things. 
And it's a, it's not just like 

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one thing for one individual. 
It's like, this is a present. 

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Yeah, it's the family. 
And everyone's still got their 

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own small individual stuff, but 
it was like just getting used to

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not feeling that need of like, 
oh, I only got a few presents. 

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Right. 
Does that matter? 

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Why are you feeling you need 
more? 

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I, I remember very distinctly as
a kid, but I, I probably got 

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like four or five presents every
year and I was so grateful. 

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If that, yeah, it was so 
grateful. 

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It was like the coolest thing 
was like, Oh my gosh, look what 

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I got Scripture, just like all 
sorts of this stuff. 

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But it was like, oh cool, this 
is mine. 

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It was this excitement. 
Not like, oh, I did. 

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And granted, there was times 
that it was like, man, I really 

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wish I had gotten this remote 
control car 'cause my friends 

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got these Nerf guns and this and
that and I got a pair of pants 

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and like this and I got, you 
know, whatever it was, but it 

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wasn't ever the same as theirs. 
But it was still like. 

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You're appreciative. 
Yeah, and some years, like I did

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get an RC car one year and I was
like, oh shit, like what? 

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Yeah, and you probably loved it 
was the. 

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Coolest thing I ever fucking had
and we use those things non-stop

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all the time. 
But it was because we didn't get

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everything under the sun. 
I like that statement you just 

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made where you're the coolest 
thing I ever had because I don't

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think kids get that fulfillment 
and wonder like they used to 

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because now there's just so much
fucking shit. 

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Like, I think the worst thing is
gift cards now, because a gift 

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card's like, fuck, I don't know,
just give you some money and you

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go get it. 
And yeah, at first you're like, 

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cool, I got money, but what do 
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Kids spend it on fucking shit at
Mavericks. 

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Slipping chips and shit, 
whatever random. 

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Shit, that doesn't make any 
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You know, it's, it's like I, I 
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more excited just about the day.
Like I don't want to spend an 

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hour and a half opening fucking 
presents. 

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I want. 
To go through it quick and I 

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want to go back to bed or I want
to fucking chill and watch my 

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kids do. 
Like now they're so much older, 

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they just do their own fucking 
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The only one who wants to play 
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It's because everyone else it's 
like yeah half Addie will play 

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with me sometimes but half the 
time she's doing her own shit 

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talking to her friends on her 
phones par Roblox playing for it

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like something cuz she's at 
that. 

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She's also 12 1/2. 
Which is awesome, right? 

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She's getting a that's exactly 
like Aria now. 

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Aria is like that. 
She's got friends, she's going 

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to their. 
Houses and you're happy for 

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them. 
Totally. 

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You just kind of miss him. 
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bit. 
Like Max and I are finally 

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getting a relationship now where
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Like, did he did the most random
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Yeah, totally. 
Because I was like, well, lawn 

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needs cutting. 
It hasn't been done this last 

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weekend. 
So I got to get it done. 

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So I went got a fucking I, I 
started getting it all ready, 

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was going to prep it. 
And then before I know I was 

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going to the I was going in the 
backyard to like pick up shit. 

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Max already went out there, 
picked up all the dog shit, any 

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of the toys of the kids left out
there, sticks, all that. 

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And then he started mowing it 
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he did a really good fucking job
This time. 

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It didn't look like that. 
Remember the meme I was telling 

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you? 
Yeah, and there's mohawks and 

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yeah. 
Oh, it's the first time you have

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your kids mow it. 
Like when I had to add emo at 

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the first time and I taught her 
and she's like, oh, I'm done. 

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I'm like, I mean, you did good, 
but there's a Mohawk there, a 

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Mohawk there, Mohawk there. 
If you'd go get those then 

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that'd be good. 
Yeah, Max said he goes, well, 

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how do you fix that? 
And I'm like, sometimes you need

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to go over that same area twice.
Yeah, that's it. 

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But that's OK. 
Is that it helps to grow evenly.

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And he used to get pissed off at
this last time because I've been

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improving my relationship 
understanding and in the and and

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I know I've gone a lot on about 
shapes, but I think it's just 

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behaviors that I've been so 
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And that's why I like with Max, 
I've been seeing a massive 

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change in his behavior. 
But my wife has said, you know, 

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because you have changed, the 
house has changed and. 

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As a dad and and it sucks to 
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It's a huge. 
Responsibility, well, but we 

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hold this power over the home 
and so it does. 

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It kind of puts everyone under 
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like, you know, I'm sure with 
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the power. 
You know, there's always this 

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one of like you have to make 
sure that that person is happy 

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because if they snap or 
whatever, then it's like it, it 

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instantly isn't a safe, happy, 
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It's a scared, nervous, like 
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It's like what Richard said, you
know, you are creating, you need

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to create a safe space in your 
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And before he kind of explained 
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was very eye opening in the 
sense of going, Oh yeah, why 

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provide a safe home? 
Like I will hurt anybody that 

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comes into my home. 
I will take care of my family 

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because I have this trend. 
No. 

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Are you caring for your kids? 
Are you giving them a safe home?

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Are you teaching them safe 
practices and and how to 

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interact with other people? 
That something really 

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interesting on that actually, 
Emily sent me this TikTok and it

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was, oh, I don't remember who it
is, name is. 

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I'm terrible with actors and 
actresses. 

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But she said it's the guy who's 
married to Kristen Bell. 

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Oh, Dax Shepard. 
Yeah, that guy. 

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Yeah, armchair experts. 
Yeah, so they were. 

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He was talking about how couples
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And oftentimes what happens is 
they argue and the kids see the 

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argument, but the kids never see
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They never see how it was 
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happened. 
So what that teaches our kids is

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they know how to escalate 
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They know how to get in fights, 
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resolve them. 
And it was like, so in that 

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video, he's like, So what we do 
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and we resolve it later. 
But then I tell my kids, hey, 

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Dad said this to mom and this is
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we felt. 
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and then I said, I'm sorry or 
like whatever it was to help 

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them understand how to navigate 
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going this is how you fight, 
this is how you escalate 

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something. 
This is how you get mad. 

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It was like, this is how you 
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This is how you resolve those 
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And this is how you work to have
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your partner and teach that to 
your kids so they can have 

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healthy relationships with their
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Isn't that kind of funny where 
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mean, and this happened just 
reflecting and maybe, you know, 

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you have something similar, but 
the way we perceived ourselves 

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before was that we're the 
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And this is the way it goes. 
And when you're a parent, you 

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can make those decisions because
this was said to us constantly. 

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When you're an adult. 
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instead of being able to like, 
even call it out, like even 

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saying you're sorry, like my 
parents would rarely say they're

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sorry to me if they were really.
Upset. 

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Did your parents say they were 
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Every once in a while, the one 
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me was when he came in the room.
I was talking to my mom. 

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I was being an asshole. 
My mom went to slap me doing 

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martial arts for a long time. 
So when I see a fast movement, I

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react Yeah. 
And so it and I grabbed her hand

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and we both do this like kind of
movie look like we both look at 

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that. 
And she went to go hit me with 

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the other one and I went and my 
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Now imagine you're the husband. 
You come into the room, your 11 

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year old son is as tall as your 
wife is holding her by the 

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wrists. 
He grabs me by my hair like. 

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Boom. 
Peels me off, I let go 

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immediately and he pulls his 
first way back. 

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Yeah, that scares the shit out 
of you at 11. 

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Oh dude, it was halfway to me. 
My mom grabbed it. 

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She says no, no, I was trying to
hit him and he stopped me. 

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And then I thought about that 
now and I'm like, I want you to 

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go back and think about what you
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No, no, it's OK. 
I was trying to hit him and he 

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stopped me. 
Hitting your kid shouldn't be 

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the first interaction. 
That should be a deterrent away 

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from something that they're not 
stopping. 

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If your kids on top of another 
and he's beating the shit out of

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them and you can't get them off,
yeah, you're going to have to do

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something to stop them because 
they're so in. 

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Line, but even then I think 
about like, you know, and and 

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hitting. 
I don't think hitting would ever

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be my first reaction. 
I think I would try and tackle 

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someone because hitting them, 
well, that's just violence with 

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violence, but a tackle is more 
of like a restraint to go, hey, 

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slow it down. 
The the only the only reason why

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I'm going, I might say that just
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like the construction, it's the 
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strength that once somebody is 
in that spot, like a for 

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instance, this patient was 
trying to RIP out the eye of a 

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nurse and he had scraped all of 
the skin off of her fucking face

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to the skull. 
Dude, it was bright white here. 

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Blood's pouring down her face. 
Reason why he wouldn't she 

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wouldn't let him go out for his 
smoke and his coke. 

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So he mentally unstable, loses 
his shit, starts doing that. 

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You know what other people were 
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They're trying to pull him off. 
He was a small, skinny 65 year 

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old man. 
Oh no, you can't try and pull 

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him off. 
I would, that's what. 

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I said I Oh no, no. 
I would run and tackle. 

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They were, they were trying 
that. 

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This is multiple times like when
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going, they don't feel anything.
So when the there were these 

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women trying to pull him off, 
but he was so angry and he was 

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holding on to it. 
And then, and I'm not saying all

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kids would do that and I 
wouldn't have to go to this 

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point, but when I got there, I 
went to pull his hand off and he

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went to bite me. 
So reaction, I went across and I

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elbowed him in the back of the 
head, then grabbed him by his 

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hair. 
And then I said, take her and 

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his hand shot him and I slammed 
him on the ground and put him in

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a crazy wrist lock. 
And he's like, who's doing that?

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And I get down there. 
It was me, you motherfucker. 

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It's a Skinhead. 
I mean, he's crazy, right? 

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But he is in such a mode that 
when he finally came to, he came

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back to me. 
His name is George Moon was 

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George Moon. 
He goes, hey, Jesse, I'm really 

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sorry I called you a fucking 
Skinhead. 

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I know you're Mexican and you're
a Skinhead. 

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I'm like, hey, can't attack 
women like that, dude. 

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Like I don't care. 
People like that. 

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Well, I, I, I have a a very, 
very like you're shut. 

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With women, yeah. 
No. 

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I'm not. 
I was raised like you don't hit 

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a woman you don't like, you 
don't put. 

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Your hands on. 
That's not how you do it. 

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And it wasn't by fear, it was 
respect. 

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And just how I was raised. 
My daughter thinks it's a it's a

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ticket to hit her brothers. 
I'm like, hey, yeah, I won't 

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beat your ass, but I'll make 
your life hell yeah. 

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Do not instigate that. 
Yeah. 

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And like, because it's not OK 
for you to hit them just because

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it's not OK for them to hit you.
Zander asked me. 

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He goes, when could I hit my 
sister? 

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And like, she has a knife and 
she's really going to hit you. 

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Get you fucking Decker, dude. 
Yeah, fucking Decker. 

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Any woman does that. 
If they have a weapon, deck them

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if you can. 
But that's more of like I'm 

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trying not to die in this 
second. 

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Exactly like you have to have 
nowhere to. 

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Go some crazy weird in like, 
yeah. 

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It's it's the same thing like 
with knife tech cause Rich and I

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are very much agree this seems 
scary but it's really not. 

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The guy doesn't know what he's 
doing. 

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And when I overcomplicate 
things, which is usually an 

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argument with your kids or your 
wife or whoever, then now you're

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both getting cut. 
But if I'm simplistic about it 

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and I'm just saying, look, all I
need to do is meet just like 

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what you were saying, I need to 
meet them and stop them from 

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where they're at to mitigate 
their movement so that they can 

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chill the fuck out. 
It's the exact same thing and, 

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and and reason why I even said 
that because yours is very 

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valid. 
Very, very valid. 

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Like it's your kid I just 
immediately go back to and I 

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have a lot of CPSCP. 
CPTST. 

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C PS: Yeah, that one. 
I have a lot of that from the 

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state hospital. 
A lot I can imagine. 

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Like because you take 10 years? 
Well, plus you've been in like 

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all the fights growing up. 
And and then training. 

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And bouncer, like there's all 
these things that compound. 

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Yeah, violence was my home. 
It was. 

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It's a very sweet home too, 
because I'll push myself further

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and farther than anything else. 
I would have been a stupid 

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soldier. 
I would have been a stupid 

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soldier. 
Really. 

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Last thing I'll say Sean Shrek 
McPhee. 

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He is a Delta Force operator. 
He was on the Sean Ryan show and

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is by far one of the most 
fucking hilarious and 

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psychopathic podcast I've ever 
heard. 

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He does not care and he talked 
about. 

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About anything. 
No, he cares, but he was raised 

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in such an abusive climate that 
he didn't care anymore. 

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And he put himself through 
school growing up, got good 

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grades, not because his parent 
dad was an alcoholic and mom was

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a drug addict. 
It was just him and his brother 

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and they took care of these 
cells. 

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They left home at 12. 
Geez. 

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Lived in a brothel from this 
prostitute that put him up 

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because she liked them because 
they knew each other. 

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Was in South Chicago and he went
back and live with his mom from 

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when he was 17 until he left for
the for the Army. 

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And dude, he served over 20 
years in the Army and he thought

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everything was great. 
He thought it was awesome, all 

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the abuse they threw him. 
And he's like, because this guy 

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had suffered so many horrors 
growing up that he's like. 

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Yeah, this is nothing. 
If they hurt him, he's like, 

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man, it's OK. 
Yeah. 

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My dad used to beat the shit out
of him every time he'd come home

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drunk. 
I knew I was getting fucked up. 

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Yeah. 
He's like, why are you crying 

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about it? 
That's your life. 

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Just fucking deal with it. 
And I'm just like, God damn, you

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know what he did to fucking 
combat this? 

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What he says he did. 
But for him, it worked. 

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I don't know if it worked for 
all of his guys, but he's like, 

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he asked me because do you have 
PTSD? 

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He goes, ah, fuck, yeah. 
I mean, of course I do, you 

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know, all that shit. 
But you know what got rid of a 

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lot of it. 
Every time one of my guys would 

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kill somebody, I'd take him over
there and I cut the shirt off 

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and I'll be like, here's your 
grouping, dude, you did a good 

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job. 
Good job, man. 

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That's a human body. 
And they're fucking holes in 

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them. 
And he would go over there, cut 

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the shirt off just to show them 
your grouping is on point. 

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That's a marksman. 
Good job, buddy. 

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And when they got back to base, 
that's when they would drink and

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they would celebrate them and 
tell them thank you for saving 

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us. 
And he's like, surprisingly my 

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guys never had shell shock 
because they normalized the the 

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killing. 
They go, oh, this is my job 

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instead of I'm trying to 
survive. 

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And it made sense. 
But you have to have a very 

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special leader to teach you 
that. 

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And Tim Kennedy, who is another 
famous special forces guy, he 

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used to be UFC fighter. 
Yeah, he used to be UFC fighter.

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He was the UFC fighter before he
joined the army. 

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And then he joined the army 
randomly. 

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And then he's like, yeah, OK, 
bye. 

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So he was AUSC fighter, joined 
the Army black belt in jiu 

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jitsu, fucking crushes it in the
Army, becomes a green Beret and 

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then gets pulled over to Delta 
because they met each other at a

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jiu jitsu school in the middle 
of base. 

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And Tim Kennedy was getting this
guy all the time. 

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And he's like, who the fuck is 
this guy? 

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He goes, hey, what do you do? 
He's like, hey, you want to come

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over over here to the task 
force? 

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And he's like crazy. 
But Tim Kennedy even said he 

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goes, if there's ever been a 
more perfect war fighter in ever

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of history, it's Sean Shirk, 
Shrek McPhee. 

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He's like, he's not going to 
teach you about how to be a good

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human. 
Matter of fact, he's not a good 

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role model for that. 
But if you want to be a war 

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fighter and you have the mind 
and the spirit for it, he is the

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most deadly war fighter I have 
ever heard of or seen. 

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And he served with him multiple 
times. 

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He's been in conflicts all over 
the world. 

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He's in Bosnia before that when 
he didn't go to Somalia, he was 

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like right after Somalia. 
So he's just like, dude, when 

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you listen to him, you're like, 
this is bullshit. 

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This is got to be bullshit, 
right? 

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This is bullshit. 
But then you listen to Tim 

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Kennedy was a very respected guy
in the Special Forces community.

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They're like, he's feared the 
Taliban terrified of him. 

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He would go on solo missions in 
in Afghanistan and Iraq. 

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Solo mission in general sounds. 
All he would do, he wouldn't 

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even talk. 
No, he'd just go there and he'd 

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make noises like he was crazy 
and they'd just push him along. 

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He had a guy pushing an AK right
into his chest, 'cause he's 

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like, what are you doing here? 
And he's like, and just kept 

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talking, walking toward him 
because I could get at him and 

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Sean's like, you must have been 
freaking out. 

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He goes fuck yeah, I. 
Was yeah, no shit. 

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But he said, and it made sense 
too. 

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Dude, you want to get into 
places, Shut the fuck up. 

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Just walk through. 
'Cause it's like when you 

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pretend or try and have a pod do
it. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, it's OK. 

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I have a podcast. 
What? 

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Oh yeah, come on in. 
Right. 

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Sure. 
Fuck it. 

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It works everywhere, dude. 
It works everywhere. 

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And if not, it'll make them 
laugh. 

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They'll go what? 
Like, yeah, I got them a 

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podcast, dude. 
Come on in, man. 

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That's cool. 
That's cool. 

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All right. 
Anyways, I got on too long. 

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I have. 
No idea, I just wanted to. 

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We kind of just roll with it and
this is our session and say fuck

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it, let's do it. 
I just don't know where you go 

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from there. 
It's just been kind of a random 

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all over. 
Well, you know, I'm like I I. 

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And these conversations are I, I
don't know, I think about that a

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lot. 
Like I, I was thinking about 

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some of the stuff you were 
talking about before and being 

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more light hearted, you know 
what I mean? 

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Like when we were talking about 
content that we want to develop 

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for this skits and stuff like 
that, I started thinking a lot 

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about life too. 
And. 

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We get so caught up and being so
serious all the time. 

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Like I know we try to take 
breaks and play video games, 

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stuff like that. 
But the one thing that we don't 

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do enough is we don't tell our 
families that we are going to 

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have our own time and go do 
something right? 

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And, and those of you that are 
listening, you're like, yeah, I 

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got a really good friend. 
I got a group of friends that we

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never hang out anymore. 
But here's why I'm thinking it's

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so important is that the more 
that we can be able to get 

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outside of ourselves because our
conversations are really good. 

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Oh yeah, I love our 
conversations. 

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They think that is probably 
what's helped keep me halfway 

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sane. 
Me. 

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Too. 
Me too. 

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Because you know what The thing 
is, is it's like something that 

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Sean Shirk had talked about. 
Sean Shrek. 

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Sean. 
Sean McPhee. 

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Maybe he's a we'll just call 
John. 

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John. 
John Shrek McPhee is John St. 

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Sean. 
Some guy who's great at killing 

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but. 
It was this idea that you you 

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need to be able to take life 
little less serious and just be 

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because when we we have our 
discussions, it's never anything

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about something super serious, 
but it then it turns. 

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Into it, but we segue through. 
It, yeah, but. 

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Through it, it never like stays 
there. 

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No, no, no. 
No, we just always we segue 

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through so many different topics
within a conversation. 

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Yeah, like in a short period of 
time and that a lot of that has 

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to do with. 
Or a long period, like we talked

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for two hours yesterday on the 
phone. 

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And see, I didn't even realize 
that. 

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I didn't either until I looked, 
I'm like doing shit, I'm gonna 

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go. 
And then I was like, fuck, like 

449
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,120
that says what? 
Oh yeah, dude, like I started 

450
00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,800
the whole thing. 
Like I went to to Walmart and 

451
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,800
then from Walmart I went to 
Costco and Costco, the majority 

452
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000
of the time I spent there was 
with you in the parking lot 

453
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,720
because I knew I didn't have 
reception inside. 

454
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,640
Wow, that's hilarious. 
And I kept losing you because 

455
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,520
I'd walk around because I can't 
keep still. 

456
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,360
Yeah. 
And I kept. 

457
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,720
I would lose you. 
I'm like oh fuck. 

458
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,600
So I knew like 4 points and. 
I love walking though when I and

459
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,440
this when we talk I'm unless I'm
sitting down working and sending

460
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,000
emails where I'm doing 
something. 

461
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,800
Yep, I'm usually wandering the 
house, the whole me. 

462
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,640
Too. 
Me too. 

463
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,040
And that's that's where I was 
just like, OK, I really, really 

464
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,200
need to be able to spend that 
time outside and it and it with 

465
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,680
people that you can be really 
open with. 

466
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,360
I feel that I even though that 
we may have emotions, like, you 

467
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,680
know, we, we had some pent up 
feelings with each other and all

468
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,560
the shit that's going on, like 
it can't all be but but it's OK 

469
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,000
though, right? 
I mean, I think that's one thing

470
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,840
that I've noticed more about 
like our relationship being more

471
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,400
open is by allowing us to be 
upset. 

472
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,760
That's OK to be upset. 
And it's OK for you to be 

473
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,200
frustrated with me and for me to
be frustrated with you because 

474
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160
it's only our perception of what
is going on. 

475
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,400
And then we can decide what our 
perspective is after. 

476
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,920
Not necessarily that the other 
person is right or wrong, just. 

477
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,600
I guess just the feeling. 
Yeah, I get it. 

478
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,480
I I get it. 
I understand where you're coming

479
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,520
from and like it's OK to feel 
you know? 

480
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,640
Yeah, and that's the thing. 
I don't think a lot of friends 

481
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,480
allow their other friends to 
just feel, to do that. 

482
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,160
Like, I'll, I'll hear people 
going. 

483
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,200
Look, I had a friend of mine who
I was talking to and she was 

484
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,480
going on about her woes, you 
know, doesn't have a job or 

485
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,800
anything like that. 
And I'm a pretty sensitive guy. 

486
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,520
And you would say yeah around 
the tip of your. 

487
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,480
Dick, right, I guess. 
No, I wasn't even up. 

488
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,520
My mind was actually on a whole 
another side tangent was like 

489
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,760
rich and like emotional abuse 
and all this other shit right 

490
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,560
second. 
I'm like, it's just been in my 

491
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,960
mind so much. 
Yeah, ever since our interview 

492
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,360
with him. 
Yeah, 'cause. 

493
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,640
OK, OK, I'll, I'll finish my 
thought and then we'll go into 

494
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,960
that because I like that. 
But when I was talking to my 

495
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,240
friend, she was just like 
telling me Oliver woes, right? 

496
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,560
Used to be making a lot of 
money, used to doing this, used 

497
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,120
to doing that. 
Now she's terrified and she 

498
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:19,040
doesn't know what to do. 
And it's one thing when it's my 

499
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,800
terror because I because 
violence has either been a part 

500
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,600
of my life because I chose or 
because it was in, it was 

501
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,360
introduced, right? 
Like where I grew up, I had no 

502
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,080
choice on that. 
And people go, oh, there's 

503
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,000
nothing tough in Utah. 
There's tougher things 

504
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,160
everywhere. 
There's probably tough places in

505
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,000
Beverly Hills. 
Who knows? 

506
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,520
It could be the kind of rich 
guys you know, the guys who only

507
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,120
make 2 million a year. 
Like their houses are so fucking

508
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,120
tiny. 
Yeah, they only drive like the 

509
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:50,000
cheap end of the Tesla or like 
the the C Class Mercedes. 

510
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,720
Dude, that's so. 
Fucking three series. 

511
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,920
I'll have to tell you something 
about the C series because that 

512
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,320
that's actually pretty funny. 
That's funny, but the idea that,

513
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,960
so she said she started to tell 
me all these things and I start 

514
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,080
to feel them because I'm feeling
them at that very moment 

515
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,360
already. 
And she called me and I started 

516
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,960
to tell her I'm like, I feel the
same ways. 

517
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,200
And I started to get emotional 
but I'm holding it back. 

518
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,160
But you can hear my voice 
breaking a little bit and she 

519
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,040
says, hey, hey, hey, I call you 
when I can't get up because I 

520
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,480
know that you can pick me up and
anybody else I could be like, 

521
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,560
oh, that's fucked up. 
But now think about that kind of

522
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,440
responsibility. 
If you are doing that. 

523
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Not all of us can be that. 
Not all of us should be that. 

524
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,520
But if you have inspired 
somebody and they look up to you

525
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,560
and you come to them going, hey,
I feel life too. 

526
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,200
You shouldn't feel ashamed of 
that either. 

527
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,120
And I started to feel ashamed of
it. 

528
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,160
I'm like, fuck, yeah, you're 
right. 

529
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,880
I'm the happy go lucky guy that 
has good tattooed on his 

530
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,000
fucking. 
No, has nothing to do with that.

531
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,120
It's and when she said that, I 
was like, there's a separation 

532
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:56,880
of close friendships. 
There's work friends, there's 

533
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,840
social friends and there's close
friends. 

534
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,960
Well, and even within that, it's
probably every relationship. 

535
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,840
How honest with the other person
are we? 

536
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,680
How open with that other person 
are we? 

537
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:15,920
How much of the true version of 
our self is shown or seen by our

538
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,720
family, our friends, our 
partners or whatever, You know, 

539
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,360
because it's like, well, what 
about these thoughts? 

540
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,840
What about this? 
Are they going to judge me? 

541
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,440
Like are they going to treat me 
different? 

542
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,520
Is this going to be like, is 
this going to be a deal breaker?

543
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,720
Like 'cause. 
Everything's quid pro quo. 

544
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,920
Yeah, and it's like, oh shit, 
this. 

545
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,600
Is what I give you. 
You have to give back. 

546
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,840
Like or or just like. 
That version of me might not be 

547
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,400
lovable. 
I never thought of it that way. 

548
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,560
That version of me might not be 
OK. 

549
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,760
Or do you does that? 
Does that? 

550
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,520
Is that a concern of yours? 
I think it was for a while, way 

551
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,280
more when I after I got, yeah, 
after I was married and got 

552
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,960
divorced, then it was like I 
didn't know who I was, so. 

553
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,920
How could you? 
Yeah. 

554
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,040
And so it was, you know, it took
a while and then when I figured 

555
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,280
out more of who I was, I'm like,
I'm not going to hide this. 

556
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,840
I'm not going to be ashamed of 
who I am and go, yeah, well, I 

557
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,960
don't use cannabis or I'm, I'm 
like, I I'll go to church for 

558
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,280
you or I'll do this. 
But like if I don't believe 

559
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,720
these things or if I don't like,
if there's things that I'm like,

560
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,880
yeah. 
And I'm like that's but that's 

561
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,680
not, is that me? 
Is that truly me? 

562
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,960
Or am I just doing it to appease
someone else? 

563
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,840
And am I doing that motion? 
And if so, if they truly love 

564
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,640
me, would they make me do that 
if they knew that it didn't make

565
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,000
me happy and where I want to be?
Because if I knew that they 

566
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,240
weren't happy doing these 
things, would I make them do 

567
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,240
those things because it made me 
happy? 

568
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Or where'd I go? 
They really hate this. 

569
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280
This actually, this doesn't make
them happy here. 

570
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,280
I find happiness and I can do 
this thing without them and 

571
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,880
still find my joy. 
There's all these other things I

572
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,800
can do, you know, but like, and,
and there's, there's things that

573
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240
it's like, OK, well, this 
doesn't bother me. 

574
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,400
Like, yeah, it's not my 
favorite, but I, I don't mind. 

575
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Like Whoopi Doo, I'll go do 
that, you know? 

576
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,360
But there's other things that 
you're like, I don't, that's not

577
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,520
my thing. 
Yeah, totally. 

578
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,320
And it it's so hard. 
I think it should be OK to go 

579
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,560
like, yeah, that's fine. 
Like, you don't need to be 

580
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,200
everything of this you can find,
you know, like, you and your 

581
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,960
wife, you have different 
hobbies, different things. 

582
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,880
And to imagine that you would 
have to be every stupid little 

583
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,960
thing is like I think both of 
you would become overwhelmed. 

584
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,880
It would be boring as shit for 
me, dude, because for me it's 

585
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,720
variety, you know? 
But here's the problem with me 

586
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,480
before was I love variety, but 
as long as it fits within the 

587
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,640
social construct that I know. 
So back in the day, if I was 

588
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,920
with like I was dating this one 
woman, I stayed with her because

589
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,440
we were living together, but I 
didn't stand. 

590
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,440
I couldn't stand her for fucking
five months of the nine that we 

591
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,800
were together. 
Yeah. 

592
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,080
Right. 
I mean, we were together for 

593
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,800
like a month and then we were 
able to start, we started 

594
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,800
becoming intimate like after two
months, for like 2 months of 

595
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,120
that. 
And then the rest of it, yeah, 

596
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,680
nothing. 
And she's still living in my 

597
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,360
fucking apartment and I'm like 
what the fuck? 

598
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,000
This is so stupid and it just 
because and I and I look back 

599
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,880
because I go, ah, what the fuck 
was wrong with me? 

600
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,840
No, it was a my intellectual 
status. 

601
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,920
And again, why is it so 
important to have close friends 

602
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,120
that you can be able to talk to 
and be honest with and take 

603
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,280
their feedback, say hey, man, I 
fucking think this is going on. 

604
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Like our conversations that 
we've had when we've been upset 

605
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,840
with each other could have been 
real easily gone to fuck you. 

606
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,400
I'm not talking to you anymore 
like any other person. 

607
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,880
I mean, we're not talking like 
crazy stuff. 

608
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Like dude, I can't believe you 
fucked my wife. 

609
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Something like that. 
No, no, because that's your 

610
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,240
cousin and that would be even 
weirder. 

611
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,800
Yeah, and also my ex is nuts, so
I don't know why you would, you 

612
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,480
know? 
So either way, I feel like that 

613
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,000
would have been weird on all 
levels. 

614
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Right. 
But I mean, it's, it's like, you

615
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,920
know, differences of opinion on,
on certain things or perceptions

616
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400
that we have of the other one 
that maybe we're not clear on. 

617
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,960
And you know, like our last 
combo, like it was hard. 

618
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,360
It was hard for you to tell me 
certain things. 

619
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,440
And I understood that. 
And I was glad that I was in a 

620
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,360
place where I could understand 
it and really reflect on it 

621
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,840
because I, I truly felt like I 
was like, OK, now I better 

622
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,480
understand your position. 
Now I better understand your 

623
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,720
frustration. 
Now I understand what I am doing

624
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,680
and becoming more self aware 
over time and finding new things

625
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,960
to add to this. 
You know, organizational 

626
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,680
behavior crap in my head. 
Oh, it's constant. 

627
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,480
It's constant. 
Now it's like all these 

628
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,800
conversations and it's been even
over the last God, three years. 

629
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,040
I've even the show I'm like and 
also on that tangent. 

630
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,000
By the time this airs will have 
hit 200 episodes, 200 episodes. 

631
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,640
And for everyone who has been 
along for the ride and like come

632
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,080
along, that's. 
Hey. 

633
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,440
That's a huge like. 
That's awesome. 200 episodes. 

634
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Well, I've done 200 episodes. 
That's a fuck ton of episodes. 

635
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,040
That's a lot of that be too for 
for you to watch the I don't 

636
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600
know how long it would take to 
watch our entire catalogue, but 

637
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,200
it would it would take a long 
ass time. 

638
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,600
And if you are listening to that
much, thank you. 

639
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,560
That's cool. 
Yeah, but at the same time too, 

640
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,240
it's weird man, how much time 
goes by. 

641
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,680
But the the evolution of what's 
going on, if you look at our our

642
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,240
episodes back in the day, 
totally different from now. 

643
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,240
Or listen to them even like I 
think the way we probably sound 

644
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,880
in our flow, even in like our 
our confidence in the mic. 

645
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Oh yeah. 
But it's like so different. 

646
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080
But isn't that funny too now 
because it's it's different. 

647
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,160
Like if I'm a guest on a 
podcast, you're a guest on a 

648
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,920
podcast. 
Like we just flow, but when 

649
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,000
we're I. 
Find it's easier for me to guest

650
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,080
on a podcast honestly than it is
for me to like interview happier

651
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,920
headspace Oh yeah yeah yeah. 
Headspace because I'm like. 

652
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,880
'Cause you're in your head, yes.
And and I talked about. 

653
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,480
That's how I am with how to get 
along with humans. 

654
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,400
Yesterday on the hike with my 
dad and my brother and they were

655
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,400
asking about life and stuff and 
how everything's going. 

656
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600
And I was like, you know, I've 
been doing this and I was like, 

657
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,400
it's really hard for me to 
actually record that. 

658
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,640
And they're like, really. 
I'm like, yeah, I just, I don't 

659
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,120
feel like I'm an expert. 
I'm like, I don't like to 

660
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,240
usually talk on something unless
I don't have to be an expert. 

661
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,160
But I feel like I have to know 
enough that I can actually talk 

662
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,200
from a place of knowing 
something and mental health. 

663
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,960
I don't feel like I have enough 
education or experience. 

664
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,160
But then and I realized the 
purpose of the show is not to 

665
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,680
have me be the expert. 
But it's up here that I'm like, 

666
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,000
I shouldn't be speaking about 
this. 

667
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,760
It's the same way with like 
growing up in the church and I 

668
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,400
was mid 20s and married and it 
was like, I got a calling to 

669
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,840
teach 1415 year olds. 
And I'm like, I don't even know 

670
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,120
if I believe this, let alone 
know this that much. 

671
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Why am I up here teaching other 
people this? 

672
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,160
You should have someone who 
actually understands this 

673
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,800
teaching this, not someone who 
has no fucking clue going up 

674
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,720
there and going, yeah, well, 
this you're probably not going 

675
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
to gain as much from this 
because I'm the one teaching you

676
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,640
versus someone who knows what 
they're doing, probably is 

677
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,400
better spoken, actually feels 
comfortable in doing this. 

678
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,760
And it's fine because like maybe
that helped in some way. 

679
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,120
But I don't feel like I actually
gained skills in that time that 

680
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,920
I that I did that. 
And it was more because it was 

681
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,040
forced upon, not because it was 
something that I was. 

682
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,480
Well, because you felt 
obligated. 100% yes. 

683
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,720
That was why. 
Because people always say, like,

684
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,000
I remember that, like in the 
church early on, like when I 

685
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,080
came back into the church when I
was 28 years old, and when I 

686
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,560
came back in, there was kind of 
funny. 

687
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,800
Like one guy said to me, he 
goes, yeah, dude, if you get a 

688
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,120
calling, you just take it, 
right? 

689
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,600
And I'm like, no, if it doesn't 
fit me, I don't take it. 

690
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,000
And at first I did, dude. 
I was taking care of like little

691
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640
kids and I was going around 
talking to members of their 

692
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,160
community and stuff like that. 
I did too much. 

693
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,000
See. 
It was just. 

694
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,640
The only reason, and this is all
it was kind of snowballed. 

695
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,719
Yeah, it's a guilt thing. 
It was my brother and my whole 

696
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,960
family were they were going to 
the temple once a month. 

697
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,360
My parent like it was a big 
thing and my parents would take 

698
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,920
everyone to dinner after and me 
and my wife were the only family

699
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,280
members that weren't going 
because we weren't sealed in the

700
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,840
temple. 
And my youngest brother was the 

701
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,679
only one to go on a mission and 
he was leaving to go on his. 

702
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,719
He was like, I challenge you 
guys to go through the temple 

703
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,159
and that's weird. 
It was like, that's weird. 

704
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,080
It was weird. 
And and so we like. 

705
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,480
I challenge you to be faithful. 
Like we, we weren't going to 

706
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,440
church all the time or whatever.
And so they were like, all 

707
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,800
right, so we went in. 
It was like, well, the Bishop, 

708
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,080
in order to go to temple, we had
to do all these things. 

709
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,239
And he was like, well, you need 
to have a calling. 

710
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,239
So I'm going to give you this 
and you need to do this and you 

711
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,120
need to do this. 
You need to go to these classes 

712
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,400
and you need to be here every 
week. 

713
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,600
And, and I was like, OK, so we 
did all of that and we went 

714
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,560
through and like we got sealed. 
Yeah, and that funny 'cause it 

715
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,800
kind of feels like the same 
processes back in the day when 

716
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,320
you'd crossed the border from 
Mexico and to the United States.

717
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,720
All you had to do was hold up 
your ID and say United States 

718
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:12,920
citizen and they got gone 
through. 

719
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,320
That sounds like exactly what 
the process was for. 

720
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,280
You but it was like it was so 
weird and then after we did it 

721
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:25,120
and we had moved to a new ward 
and my ex-wife was like hey the 

722
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,520
Bishop is the Bishop called. 
Don't know why they called her, 

723
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,200
but they called her and they 
were like, oh, they want to have

724
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,760
us come in and talk to him. 
And I'm like, I'll go in and 

725
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,640
talk to him. 
But just so you know, I'm not 

726
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,200
accepting a calling and I will 
not talk in church. 

727
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,520
And I'm going to tell him that. 
And she's like, you can't do 

728
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,280
that. 
I'm like, yes, I can. 

729
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,760
And I'm going to. 
And we sat down and the Bishop 

730
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,680
was like, hey, welcome to the 
ward. 

731
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,720
I'm like, hey, nice to be here. 
And he was like, I'd love to ask

732
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,280
you to speak. 
And I'm like, you're welcome to 

733
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,240
ask me to speak. 
My answer's going to be no. 

734
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,520
You can ask her to speak and 
she'll tell you what her answer 

735
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,000
will be. 
And I'm like, and if you asked 

736
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,840
me to have a calling, I already 
did this in the last word and I 

737
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,560
learned that that didn't make 
sense. 

738
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,840
So you're welcome to give me a 
calling, but the answer is going

739
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
to be no as well. 
Wow, how'd that go? 

740
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,760
Was he cool about it or was he 
kind? 

741
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,920
Of what was he going to say? 
There was nothing he would say 

742
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,280
that would change my mind. 
Right, And that's the the 

743
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,680
problem with it is it 
perpetuated within it is that 

744
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,760
you feel obligated instead of 
called to because just like 

745
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,120
recently I went and talked to, 
you know, my pleisigastical 

746
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,040
leader and my Bishop and I went 
to him and I said, Hey, man, I 

747
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,240
need you to put me to work. 
I said, I feel a strong calling.

748
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:34,480
I want to serve other people. 
And the only reason why I felt 

749
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,160
that was because it was it was 
cool. 

750
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,160
This girl got up and said, you 
know, hey, little girl, she's 

751
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560
like, if you ever feel bad about
what's going on in your life, 

752
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,000
and this is just a good 
philosophical thing, you ever 

753
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,480
feeling really bad about what 
you're doing in life or where 

754
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,320
you're at, go serve, serve 
somebody in the smallest way or 

755
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,480
the largest way. 
And so I started doing that like

756
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,160
I was just like, she's right. 
And so I told him I was like, 

757
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,080
hey, on Sunday, I want to, I 
want to do something, I want to 

758
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,920
do something I want to. 
And I said, don't stick me in 

759
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,200
something where I'm teaching a 
bunch of little kids on some 

760
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,560
type of dogma that you guys 
wanted me to push on. 

761
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560
No, I want to just I want to 
have discussions. 

762
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,200
I'm better in the discussion 
role. 

763
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,480
So put me in that role, put me 
with adults, put me with 

764
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,560
teenagers and I'll I'll do 
great. 

765
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,880
But so you love that, like 
public speaking, having that, 

766
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,760
leading that and for me and at 
that age, 100% that was not me. 

767
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,800
Oh dude, it it's probably still 
like, I mean, imagine this 

768
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,000
'cause you, I don't know if 
you've ever experienced that. 

769
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,560
Have you ever spoken in front of
a large crowd? 

770
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,840
Define large. 
Like couple 100 people. 

771
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,320
Maybe 100? 
Like you speak. 

772
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,280
But that was to me still. 
No, it's still a lot of people. 

773
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,280
Do you spoke at graduation? 
Yeah. 

774
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,000
Which? 
What do you valedictorian? 

775
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,880
So no I. 
This is funny. 

776
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,680
We got to go there. 
This. 

777
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,840
Is hilarious of all things. 
So I had gotten kicked out of 

778
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,120
temp view for not going to 
class. 

779
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,120
So I got sent to this private 
school. 

780
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,960
I had gotten kicked out of the 
private school because it was a 

781
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,280
LDS based private school and 
there was. 

782
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,000
I didn't. 
Know you got kicked out of 

783
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,320
there. 
Not kicked out. 

784
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,920
I got set to home school, so I 
got to watch the DVD version of 

785
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,760
the classes, The DVD version 
'cause they would record them 

786
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,960
and they would send them out 
around the around the world I 

787
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,480
think. 
And people would pay and do 

788
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,800
their home classes there. 
And yes, I did it all over and 

789
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,280
'cause that's how I started in 
there because I wasn't able to 

790
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,800
get into a spot. 
So after I got kicked out to Tim

791
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,520
View, I did like 3 months of 
home school watching their 

792
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,120
videos, doing that at home. 
And then from there I was able 

793
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,880
to get into the class and I was 
there for the rest of that 

794
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,920
school year, rest of sophomore 
year and then junior. 

795
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,120
Oh no, it wasn't 'cause they're 
like most of sophomore year. 

796
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,400
And then there was this like it 
wasn't even a school event. 

797
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,240
I was just hanging out with like
four of the kids that were from 

798
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:53,440
the school and they were all 
inhaling air duster cause air 

799
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,880
duster. 
They're getting high. 

800
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,760
It makes your voice go really 
low and you sound funny and you 

801
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,600
go, it's like the opposite of 
helium. 

802
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,280
Yeah, there's a compressed air. 
I know, but the there's a gas. 

803
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,120
It that's in there, I don't. 
Yeah, that that causes that. 

804
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,880
Is it like laughing gas? 
Is it? 

805
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,280
Is it nitrous oxide? 
No, no, no. 

806
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,320
But it will lower your voice. 
Yeah, so. 

807
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,800
So like. 
Yeah, so we were doing that. 

808
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,720
We weren't at the school, we 
weren't at a school event, we 

809
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:24,560
weren't anything somehow out of 
that group of people that were 

810
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,160
all there doing it. 
That got back to the principal 

811
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,360
at the school. 
And because it's an LDS based 

812
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,800
school, well, she pulled me in 
to talk to her and she was like,

813
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Hey, I heard that you and so and
so and so and so and so and so 

814
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,720
were doing this. 
And I was like, I, I don't know 

815
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,880
where you heard that. 
I did, but I, I'm not a fucking 

816
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,080
snitch. 
And so because I didn't, because

817
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,920
I didn't rat out all the other 
people, she kicked me out and 

818
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,600
sent me to be home schooled. 
And so I was homeschooled the 

819
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,040
rest of that school year and 
then the beginning of the next 

820
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,600
school year. 
Yeah, but I had been grounded 

821
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,440
for six months at Tint View 
because, you know, my grades 

822
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,400
were below B minus. 
And so once they went downhill 

823
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,600
and I was grounded to stop 
giving any care like. 

824
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Yeah, that's such bullshit. 
Didn't bother with anything. 

825
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,560
So at that point I was like, 
yeah, I I don't don't care to go

826
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,040
to class or try and pay 
attention. 

827
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,200
Like I'm grounded anyway, what 
are you going to do? 

828
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,440
And then so when I got kicked 
out of there in Leahona, like 

829
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,000
after I was there, so my junior 
year, I was there all year. 

830
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,440
And after that, like I stopped 
getting in trouble because the 

831
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,520
first year I got in trouble for 
like talking too much, chewing 

832
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,040
gum in class, you know, like 
stupid, stupid things. 

833
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,520
And then I got kicked out for 
the air duster thing. 

834
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,640
And so, but then I was there 
sophomore year, junior year and 

835
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,000
I became friends with like all 
the goody like whatever kids, 

836
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,360
but I was also friends with the 
other kids. 

837
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Like I was just more friendly. 
And then it became they ran for 

838
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,800
like student president and 
stuff, but I didn't want to. 

839
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,440
I was doing soccer, I was doing 
basketball and I was working and

840
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,040
I'm like, shit, I don't have 
time to do student council. 

841
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,120
Like there's no way that I have 
time to add that into it. 

842
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,480
And so I just, I ran for King 
instead. 

843
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,320
So I just put up posters of 
like, vote Brandon for King 

844
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,760
because I'm not going to run for
president. 

845
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,400
What does King do? 
He doesn't do anything but just 

846
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,960
tell people what to do. 
Like, that's fine, I'll do that.

847
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,280
So I put up posters and did all 
that shit and I was like, yeah, 

848
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,600
I'll run for King, but I'm not 
running for school president. 

849
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,760
And then like the whole next 
year, I did a lot better. 

850
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,160
And for some reason, the 
principal at the end of the year

851
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,280
was like, hey, we'd love to have
you speak at graduation. 

852
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,320
Like what? 
What? 

853
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,200
Were you the King? 
Me, No, no. 

854
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,440
It's just like they for some 
reason out of like everyone that

855
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,840
graduated, like I was one of the
people that they asked to speak.

856
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,680
I never. 
I couldn't do it then. 

857
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,720
Oh, I couldn't. 
I didn't prep for it and I got 

858
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,560
up and I was like, hey, as most 
of you guys know, I am great at 

859
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,720
procrastination, so obviously I 
didn't write anything down. 

860
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,760
And everybody laughed. 
And yeah, and then I went on 

861
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960
with like a couple things and 
then I ended a few minutes 

862
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,960
later, like, I'm not here to 
speak and that shit. 

863
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,800
And it was like, I don't know 
why I'm even up here. 

864
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,440
Was was your heart racing right?
When you got yeah, it was like I

865
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,680
I have been asked when I was 
young. 

866
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,720
I was asked to speak once in 
church. 

867
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,680
I was 14 and I got up and it was
the worst thing. 

868
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,800
And I felt so shaky and my 
heart's pounding in my chest and

869
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,680
I'm standing up there and of 
course it's Utah, so the entire 

870
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,600
congregation is full and there's
probably at least 100 people in 

871
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,560
that one. 
And I was like, all right, this 

872
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,160
was awkward. 
And then graduation was awkward.

873
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Graduation I felt more 
comfortable in because I was 

874
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040
just being a smart ass, which 
I'm very good at. 

875
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,760
And then, you know, so going, 
and I think it's fine if it's 

876
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,560
just me talking, but it's in an 
educational stance where I'm 

877
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,240
like, I don't feel confident or 
feel like this is something I 

878
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,600
really should be because I, I 
wouldn't feel like I should go 

879
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,720
up and educate people on 
something I don't know anything 

880
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:09,640
about. 
Yeah. 

881
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,280
But I mean, sometimes it's not 
even the education part because 

882
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,160
you look at individuals such as 
like people that I look up to 

883
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,000
within like the marketing 
community, right? 

884
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,360
Like Seth Godin. 
I'm a big fan of Seth Godin. 

885
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,200
He speaks, but he doesn't do 
anything anymore, like he 

886
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,120
doesn't do marketing, OK. 
What he does is he's. 

887
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,640
He doesn't do any of that 
anymore. 

888
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,320
No, no, he speaks and he sees 
trends and then he writes books 

889
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,520
on the trends that he's seeing 
and he's prophesying that come 

890
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,720
true. 
And what's pretty much pretty 

891
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:43,920
much like, that's the way I 
perceive him, right? 

892
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,080
And then there's other people 
like Gary Vaynerchuk. 

893
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,040
Like, at first they very much 
seem like somebody that you want

894
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,080
to follow. 
Yeah, but he's like the Paris 

895
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,400
Hilton of the entrepreneurial 
world. 

896
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,640
And I fucking hate saying that 
'cause I think he's a cool guy. 

897
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,040
And that makes makes sense. 
Are they? 

898
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,640
God, yeah, makes sense. 
It's fucking funny because he 

899
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,360
isn't like, oh, he said 
something so profound. 

900
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,480
Take care of your people. 
Like, fucking everybody says 

901
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,040
that shit. 
Like, tell me how, motherfucker.

902
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,680
And he's like just take care of 
him and say fuck all the time. 

903
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,280
I mean I can do that. 
I do it all the time anyways, 

904
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,960
but it's that idea that we, you 
know, I, I like looking up to 

905
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,480
these individuals, but they 
don't necessarily have to be 

906
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,160
experts. 
And that's that that common 

907
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,240
problem that we have is that 
expert bias where they have to 

908
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,000
either have a alphabet behind 
their name or they've got to be 

909
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,760
wearing certain things right. 
It always takes me back to like 

910
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,160
Dave. 
Chappelle I still don't feel 

911
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,920
like an expert with cannabis 
anything. 

912
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,040
No, but it's, you know, even in 
this one, I feel not like an 

913
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,200
expert, but I at least feel 
enough that I can, I'm educated 

914
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,800
enough that I can speak on it. 
Well, and not only that though, 

915
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,200
but here's the thing. 
There's a lot of other podcasts 

916
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,240
like ours. 
There's lots, there's hundreds 

917
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:02,200
of these types of podcasts. 
That's the reason why there's 

918
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,960
hundreds, I mean, well in the 
state. 

919
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,360
But here's the thing, the reason
why we've done so well on that 

920
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,080
one is that we have learned a 
lot about it. 

921
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,440
We learned a lot about what we 
want to talk about. 

922
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,000
And even though we may not see 
ourselves as experts because 

923
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,680
we're constantly learning, 
there's a lot of people out 

924
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,480
there that have had like massive
aha moments when we were 

925
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
talking. 
And the cool part is that how 

926
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,760
much they engage with it because
they are like, yeah, I want to 

927
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,800
know more about it. 
Like it's like that conversation

928
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,200
we had yesterday with that in 
particular individual that was 

929
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,240
talking about how how upset he 
was that, you know, his nephew 

930
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:40,640
found out through a conversation
that he was using cannabis. 

931
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,600
And, and I just got I got really
frustrated with him and said, 

932
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,640
hey, man, either you're going to
become a part of the problem or 

933
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,720
part of the solution. 
But if you aren't being able to 

934
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,440
be open enough around everybody 
that you use cannabis, it's not 

935
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,720
heroin, bro. 
It's not hookers, right? 

936
00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,000
If you came to somebody going I 
have a problem with hookers. 

937
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,880
Or if you hear them like making 
a comment about cannabis that's 

938
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,160
incorrect, you're like, oh hey, 
I'm going to not allow that to 

939
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,560
be a problem. 
I'm going to help change that 

940
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,760
with maybe a simple education 
and going dude. 

941
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,240
Do you remember that part in 
What's that one Dave Chappelle 

942
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,400
movie? 
Half baked. 

943
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,280
Half baked, Yeah, When he goes 
to rehab and he goes up and 

944
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,720
talks and he goes, man, I've 
been. 

945
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,280
Addicted to pot? 
Everybody's like. 

946
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,440
What? 
Yeah. 

947
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,360
Addicted to pot? 
That's not addicted. 

948
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,640
They go and and let's just. 
Say suck Dick for pot. 

949
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:42,040
Yeah, he goes no, Boo this man. 
That's the first thing that gave

950
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,960
in my head was that seed when 
when this guy I know was saying 

951
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,560
these things and I was just 
like, but that goes kind of on 

952
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,960
to. 
I mean, I know this podcast has 

953
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,360
gone all over the place, but 
it's just like an open dialogue,

954
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,440
You know, we're just gonna go. 
But it, it honestly made me 

955
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,880
think like, why do I need to? 
I mean, it's like being really 

956
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,560
like, oh, man, they finally 
found out. 

957
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,320
Like what? 
Like I drink. 

958
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,600
I picked up one of these liquid 
deaths. 

959
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,800
Slaughter Berry. 
It's just water. 

960
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,520
Yeah, it's it's an iced tea. 
The first time I had had one was

961
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,440
at a hotel. 
They had a bit in the room and I

962
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,720
was like, oh, OK. 
I thought mine was broken 

963
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,280
because it didn't have any 
tingle. 

964
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,080
It wasn't sparkly. 
Yeah. 

965
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,480
And then I'm like, oh, it's iced
tea you fucking retard. 

966
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,280
That's funny. 
But it was nice because I was 

967
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,080
looking for something with low 
sugar and I needed something to 

968
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,600
pick me up a little bit because 
I didn't get to bed till like 2.

969
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:37,120
AM last night and. 
I was up at 6, so 4 hours, but I

970
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,000
feel great. 
But when I I had that, it's not 

971
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,240
like somebody's going to go 
like, oh shit, they found out I 

972
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,760
drink liquid that honestly 
they're going to think I'm a 

973
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,120
pretentious fuck. 
The first times I saw it I just 

974
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,640
thought it was like either a 
beer or. 

975
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,480
I know it looks like a. 
Beer an energy drink. 

976
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,480
But it's brilliant. 
It's brilliant advertising. 

977
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,800
You've taken water, sparkling 
water, and just created a brand 

978
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,160
around it, which is cool. 
Like, hey, if you want to buy 

979
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,920
it, it's not crazy outrage. 
I mean buying bottled water is 

980
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,880
stupid, but we still do it 
anyways. 

981
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,920
Because it's convenient. 
Yeah. 

982
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,400
I only buy it when I don't have 
my like refillable one with me 

983
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,120
too. 
Like if I don't have my steel 

984
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:14,760
one with me. 
Yep. 

985
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,960
Yeah. 
But you think about that. 

986
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Like, I shouldn't be ashamed of 
drinking this water or eating a 

987
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,120
certain type of food or maybe 
and enjoying a certain type of 

988
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,520
entertainment, you know, like 
video games. 

989
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,080
Like, I think I get more, I, I 
would probably get more shit if 

990
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,400
I went to an entrepreneurial 
like gathering, like a 

991
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,160
networking thing. 
And if we were there and we were

992
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,960
talking about, like when we talk
about being cannabis guys, dude,

993
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,360
we're surrounded by people. 
It's funny. 

994
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,680
They just want to talk to us the
whole time about getting high 

995
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,520
and what? 
Everything else. 

996
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,880
Yeah, they just tell us 
everything. 

997
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,360
All of a sudden we turn into 
priests. 

998
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,040
Oh, you get high. 
Yeah. 

999
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,480
This one time I had this like 3 
prostitutes with me and they 

1000
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,320
were all named Sarah and I 
couldn't tell which one was 

1001
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,560
doing what's. 
Whenever I say Sarah do this, 

1002
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,040
they would all do it, you know, 
like. 

1003
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,640
Am I absolved of my sins now? 
And I'm like no but I feel like 

1004
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,440
I should go get high so. 
I think I need to take a shower 

1005
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,520
that that's fucking gross, dude.
But no, it definitely is. 

1006
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,640
It's just this weird thing, like
you, it doesn't necessarily got 

1007
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,120
to be proud of it. 
Like we wear things to go about 

1008
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,120
cannabis. 
I was actually almost going to 

1009
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,400
wear that today. 
That's fucking hilarious. 

1010
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,040
That would have been awesome. 
I need to wear it next time. 

1011
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,200
It's my favorite sweatshirt that
we have. 

1012
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,720
It is it's got the highest 
quality, the best print. 

1013
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,360
I loved it. 
I still. 

1014
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,880
Want to get Miguel to do our 
stuff? 

1015
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,000
I do too. 
Somebody. 

1016
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,120
Yeah. 
Have you got a promo company? 

1017
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,720
But really good quality, because
that was The thing is this like 

1018
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,640
as long as it's good high 
quality stuff. 

1019
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,000
Well, and that's the other thing
we were trying to do, like we 

1020
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,280
were talking about, we want to 
partner with like a, a, some 

1021
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,920
type of merch company that wants
to be able to be a part of 

1022
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,720
cannabis school, get in front of
those individuals and for us to 

1023
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,120
have really cool looking merch 
that people would want to wear 

1024
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,280
like this is cool. 
I, I see the cannabis school 

1025
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,880
tells people it's OK, it's OK 
that you not just enjoy this, 

1026
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,240
but that you use this for 
specific reasons and it helps 

1027
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:14,120
you because I think about all 
those people that just get high.

1028
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,440
I feel bad. 
Yeah, I feel like they're 

1029
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,160
missing out on a lot. 
Yeah, you're getting shorted big

1030
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,960
time. 
It's not like heroin. 

1031
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,320
Like, oh dude, have you ever 
tried heroin at a water park? 

1032
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,400
Because that's badass. 
Not. 

1033
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,960
Tried it there either. 
Dude doing that is the same as 

1034
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,560
doing pills. 
Like I remember back in the day 

1035
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,800
when I was doing stupid stupid 
shit like I was to pop in a 

1036
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,480
couple of lower tab 10s and then
going to the bar. 

1037
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,160
If I would have gone to sleep I 
would have fucking died. 

1038
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,800
I had a very good friend of mine
in high school. 

1039
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,200
After high school went to the I 
went to the military, came back.

1040
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,520
He died weeks before I came 
home. 

1041
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,160
That sucks. 
He went drinking with some 

1042
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,480
friends, came home popped a 
couple Tylenol before he went to

1043
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,400
sleep to so he didn't have a 
headache when he woke up. 

1044
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,680
He never woke up. 
Mom found him dead. 

1045
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,120
He was a cool dude too, one of 
the coolest guys I've ever met 

1046
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:09,480
and it was really sad and but 
the pills only make you feel 

1047
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,920
like pills. 
The only thing that I know I've 

1048
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,400
been able to get into when I use
alcohol and drugs together is 

1049
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,120
problems. 
Right. 

1050
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,040
Yeah, lots of problems. 
It was mostly. 

1051
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,240
Alcohol. 
It was just girl. 

1052
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,000
Problems for me, Yeah, girls 
problems all the time. 

1053
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,320
I'm just way more likely to 
like, strip down and get naked. 

1054
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,760
Yeah, yeah or yeah. 
Dude, we're never doing that 

1055
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,480
ever. 
Well, I mean, it's, it's 

1056
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,960
allowing yourself to be OK with 
it and it's not even allowing 

1057
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,200
yourself. 
Just saying like there's nothing

1058
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,040
wrong with this. 
The way I use cannabis is the 

1059
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:46,280
same way I use my food. 
I like to have good food, I like

1060
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,480
to have good weed, and if I have
good weed I feel pretty good. 

1061
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,920
Me too. 
And I'm able to calm myself down

1062
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,320
if I need to be calm or if I'm 
just like, you know, I got to 

1063
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,360
focus on something. 
I need to get this shit done. 

1064
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,360
Like I told you, man, I was able
to knock out a fuck ton of work 

1065
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,200
yesterday. 
And I use, I mix Durbin poison 

1066
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:08,120
and cat and cheetah piss and 
concentrate. 

1067
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,240
I just put them on that same 
thing and put them in the 

1068
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,160
banger. 
And dude, that was really nice. 

1069
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,240
That sounds fantastic. 
Did you know that Durbin poison,

1070
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:19,640
I mean Durbin poison is really 
good for GI problems, totally 

1071
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,360
crazy. 
Yeah, and it has pain relieving.

1072
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,760
Problems so that really helps 
after you've done like your Med 

1073
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,840
and that for the week. 
Oh yeah dude. 

1074
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,160
And sneak peek. 
Total crazy thing that I found 

1075
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,600
out. 
You know what helps out with GI 

1076
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,160
problems more than THC? 
CBD. 

1077
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,680
Really. 
So I tested it and because my 

1078
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,760
guts are all fucked up because. 
And it helps. 

1079
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,520
Totally dude. 
Within 30 minutes, my guts. 

1080
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,360
Felt a lot better. 
That's huge. 

1081
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,240
And I was like. 
You just got to do it in 

1082
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:46,840
conjunction. 
I bet the two together do 

1083
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,040
fantastic. 
Things what the THC does is it 

1084
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,640
helps your mind to take it off 
of the pain and to but it 

1085
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,320
doesn't get rid of the pain, but
the CBD, it's the inflammation. 

1086
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,440
Yeah. 
And I was like. 

1087
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,880
Well, this is massively 
inflamed. 

1088
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,280
Well. 
If you do a tanger, it's a lot 

1089
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,360
easier to do that too because 
it's going inside. 

1090
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,040
When Years ago when I was going 
back down to Texas and that all 

1091
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,480
the time, my ex-wife was 
diagnosed with Crohn's. 

1092
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,040
And yeah, and one of the trips 
when I went down, her mother had

1093
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,640
Mersa and she was diagnosed with
Crohn's. 

1094
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,040
Wait a minute, is this the bath 
bomb? 

1095
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,160
No, no, so I but I brought a pen
down and the pen just had an 

1096
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,760
untwistable lid on like top. 
And so her mother had had 

1097
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,000
actually gone to like Colorado 
and it had edibles before for 

1098
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,360
her pain. 
And I was like, well, if you do 

1099
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,240
that, this is the exact like 
I'll just put a tiny drop in 

1100
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,480
your coffee. 
And she did that and it helped 

1101
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,000
with her pain and it was great. 
And I did the same thing for my 

1102
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,960
ex-wife because she hadn't eaten
for days. 

1103
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,760
Really. 
She was sleeping great and she I

1104
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,040
passed out in the car for like 
an hour and a half. 

1105
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,600
I've been hungry. 
Well, I took my daughters to 

1106
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,520
gymnastics and then after that 
she was starving and ate like an

1107
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,240
entire thing of lasagna and a 
bunch of breadsticks and stuff. 

1108
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,160
And it's like, holy shit. 
It made a massive difference in 

1109
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,800
the impact and the ability to 
eat. 

1110
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,600
And it's like, yeah, I can 
imagine that that with CBD or 

1111
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,720
something would just. 
CBD and CBD are really good for 

1112
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:19,320
for gut, but that, that's cool 
is that I know that now, right? 

1113
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,120
And, and learning these things 
and applying them and testing 

1114
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,160
them on myself and knowing what 
works, what doesn't work, makes 

1115
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,440
an impact. 
Well, it's like glazed apricot 

1116
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,120
Gelato. 
Oh yeah. 

1117
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,040
You told me you tried. 
That mixed it and it was great, 

1118
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,520
but alone for me it just makes 
me uncomfortable. 

1119
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,640
A lot of tightness when I was 
just by itself. 

1120
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,000
And here's the thing, it's 
because we've used so many 

1121
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,320
different strains, we know how 
it makes us feel that when we 

1122
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,640
get something like that, to a a 
layperson who's not really into 

1123
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,720
cannabis as much as we are and 
they're starting to get in, I 

1124
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,880
could see using any cannabis as 
like, yeah, I'm going to get 

1125
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,920
because you remember the first 
times you used it, you'd get 

1126
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,600
wicked high. 
Because you feel high because 

1127
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,600
it's more of like you don't 
notice the terpenes or the 

1128
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,680
experience. 
And you might if there was like 

1129
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,920
a specific one that made you 
feel more focused or some 

1130
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,080
specific way. 
But like, I feel most of it is 

1131
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,680
at the beginning, most people 
are not noticing that because 

1132
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,920
all they're feeling is, well, 
they've not felt high. 

1133
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,240
And all of a sudden there's this
whole new experience. 

1134
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:26,760
And if they're doing it in a way
that is to get high, not just 

1135
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,160
like a very low medicinal like 
microdose, they don't actually 

1136
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,240
feel euphoric. 
They feel like most of them are 

1137
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:34,640
just experiencing those first 
highs. 

1138
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,800
And it's like, whoa. 
Yeah. 

1139
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,120
Oh, dude, I remember those first
times after you gave me that 

1140
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,400
pen. 
Like, you know, there's very few

1141
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,440
moments in my life where I can 
go back and look real fondly on 

1142
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,840
it going, yeah, that was a good 
day. 

1143
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,120
And I can still go back to it. 
And I remember that day and. 

1144
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,880
That's when you were mowing the 
lawn on the moon. 

1145
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,800
Yeah, dude, it was, it was the 
best like when I used it the 

1146
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,920
first time. 
Do you remember when we we were 

1147
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:02,240
down at Remember My Provo home 
and you came over and we were 

1148
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:06,840
playing a video game together on
my TV but we just sat there 

1149
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,600
smoking our carts the whole 
time? 

1150
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,240
Yeah, we did about a lot more 
when you lived close. 

1151
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,200
Yeah, it was a lot easier than. 
But no, dude, even then, like we

1152
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,720
need to make that time. 
We need to make that time to 

1153
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:22,720
hang out whenever. 
And, you know, for me, what I 

1154
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:25,600
think it is for me is I'm like 
also worried because we're such 

1155
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,840
in a stressful point in our life
where I'm like worried that, you

1156
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,680
know, my wife's going to be 
upset that I'm going to do 

1157
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,200
something because I, I'm very, 
very hard on myself. 

1158
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,600
And I just let it go because. 
It's a feeling of like I don't 

1159
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,520
deserve to do that because I 
haven't accomplished what I 

1160
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,800
should do to be a man because 
being a man means I should 

1161
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,880
support my family in the way 
that I feel like equates being a

1162
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,240
man. 
And that's, but that's OK. 

1163
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,960
I mean, at least you were aware 
of that and that you want to do 

1164
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,960
something different. 
Right now. 

1165
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,040
They are been doing statistical 
data on it and they've been 

1166
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,680
finding that a lot of men are 
not working, period. 

1167
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,920
And they're choosing not to 
work. 

1168
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:06,800
They're choosing to stay at 
home. 

1169
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,400
They're choosing to play video 
games and get on assistance and 

1170
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,960
they're getting it. 
I was surprised to see, yeah, 

1171
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,760
there's something that it was 
like the amount of men that live

1172
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:24,280
at home, it's like from over the
last 20 or 30 years is gone. 

1173
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,760
It was like around 10 or 12% I 
think about 20 years ago. 

1174
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,680
And now it's now it's up over 25
or so. 

1175
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,280
And I'm like, holy shit. 
Like it's a massive increase. 

1176
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,920
But at the same time, cost of 
housing has gone up a lot. 

1177
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Like there's there's a lot of 
factors that I'm sure also play 

1178
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,920
into that. 
Well, then the other part too is

1179
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,440
that people don't want to get a 
job that they feel is beneath 

1180
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,000
them. 
It's not necessarily the pay. 

1181
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,960
It's it's, it's the status, 
because our world is has become 

1182
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,920
a lot about status and it's 
slowly going away from that, 

1183
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,800
right? 
People know that the influencer 

1184
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,920
on on Instagram is not a real 
person, right? 

1185
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,960
The girl that you follow on Only
Fans really isn't always about 

1186
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,560
putting as many objects into all
of her holes that that's not 

1187
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,280
that she doesn't wake up going a
thicker diameter that'll 

1188
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,240
increase the profits. 
No. 

1189
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,960
In fact, the the ones that I do 
know that are on there, every 

1190
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:24,080
time that I meet with them, talk
with them, see them, I don't 

1191
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,880
think there's a single comment 
or discussion ever about that. 

1192
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,040
Which is funny because don't 
don't you think that more 

1193
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,880
professionals would probably 
have a better life if they 

1194
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,840
didn't talk about their fucking 
job all the time? 

1195
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,360
Because I talk about my job all 
the time. 

1196
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,400
I talk about it all the time. 
And the only reason why is 

1197
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,000
because I'm so fixated on it. 
Because I want to make something

1198
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,200
out of it. 
Like I I actually envy people 

1199
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,080
who hate their jobs in that 
sense because they just go fuck.

1200
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,680
That I'm done. 
I've done my 8 hours, my you 

1201
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,240
know, whatever. 
Yep, I am off the clock. 

1202
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,840
Fuck off. 
I am just chilling and I can't 

1203
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,720
turn it off and that sucks 
sometimes. 

1204
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,480
The only times I get to turn it 
off are when I'm playing games 

1205
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:11,880
with you and that's it. 
It's. 

1206
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,520
Because I know most of the time 
there's a lot of other shit of 

1207
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,240
like, oh wait, what about this? 
What about this? 

1208
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,560
What about this? 
What about this? 

1209
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,760
Even I mean, and no, no, it's 
with you and my wife. 

1210
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,520
That's it. 
That's the only time I've been 

1211
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,520
doing better, though. 
I've been creating those times 

1212
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,880
like I go lifting with my boys 
at least four times a week. 

1213
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,560
Yeah, you're doing that a lot 
more now. 

1214
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,560
Yeah, because we got that like 
HOA neighborhood. 

1215
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,320
Or community gym. 
And it's a really nice one. 

1216
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,120
I was like totally shocked 
because usually it's like some 

1217
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,960
shitty machine and some like 
mixed match looking weights and 

1218
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:42,880
stuff. 
That meal. 

1219
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,240
Yeah, that's all fucked up and 
you're. 

1220
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,640
Like, all right, Yeah, yeah, it 
makes Claypen in the corner. 

1221
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,600
Yeah, there's. 
And it's like awful and it's got

1222
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,920
boogers all over the fucking 
side and the toys are all like 

1223
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,400
slobbered on and sticky and 
you're like, I don't want my kid

1224
00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,760
touching this fucking Petri 
dish. 

1225
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,800
But no, dude, it, it literally 
has because now I've been trying

1226
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,240
to force it's not. 
No, I'm going to say that I have

1227
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,480
been forcing myself to take more
time away from those thoughts. 

1228
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,400
Like I don't have to constantly 
be listening to books about. 

1229
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,880
Business or behavioral science 
or consumer psychology or 

1230
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,560
anything like that. 
Just because I find it 

1231
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,760
fascinating doesn't mean that I 
need to do it all the time. 

1232
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,400
And there was a day where I was 
like, I don't know what strain I

1233
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,120
smoke, but it was just like, no,
no, turn that off, dude. 

1234
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,600
Turn it off. 
Nice. 

1235
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,040
Just listen to whatever, but 
don't listen to this right now, 

1236
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,400
all right? 
That's cool. 

1237
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,320
I was like yesterday going on 
the hike. 

1238
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,200
Yeah. 
I was like, oh shit, I don't 

1239
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,840
know. 
And I was actually stressing, 

1240
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,120
thinking like, I don't, I don't 
know if I can do this. 

1241
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,600
I don't know if I'm going to 
actually have time or be able to

1242
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,120
get this in because I was like, 
shit, I don't know what to do 

1243
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,240
with Addie. 
Like how am I going to get her 

1244
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,320
home from school? 
And yeah. 

1245
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,040
Yeah, dude. 
I mean, and it's it's. 

1246
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,880
But that was like the best just 
disconnect. 

1247
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,120
To detach. 
Oh my gosh, yeah. 

1248
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,200
I'm like I have not done this. 
It's what I like about what 

1249
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,920
Jocko says, you know, when he's 
talking about the laws of 

1250
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,800
combat, he talks about this 
first law of combat is 

1251
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,720
detachment. 
And so in order for you to be 

1252
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,680
able to really get a view of 
what's going on, you need to 

1253
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,040
step back. 
And that's an easy thing to say.

1254
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,880
But when I put this in my mind 
now and I've imprinted it there 

1255
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,880
where I go, I'm going to detach 
right now. 

1256
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,560
So like I had a really difficult
conversation with a client and 

1257
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,120
it was a hard one, and they gave
me a lot of really negative 

1258
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,000
feedback. 
And it normally it would have 

1259
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,160
made me mad because instead of 
feeling sad, I feel mad. 

1260
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,480
And then I get defensive. 
How dare you say that these 

1261
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,680
things actually happened? 
So I'm just like, all right, 

1262
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,040
fine, fuck it, I'm just going to
go with it. 

1263
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,040
But I detached. 
I'm like, you're not here and 

1264
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,960
you need to take a step back and
see their perspective and not 

1265
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,440
respond with your emotion. 
And when I just said like in my 

1266
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,400
head, and this sounds stupid 
too, I hear Han Solo's voice. 

1267
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,480
I hear Harrison Board's voice in
my my mind from like Empire 

1268
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,800
Strikes Back where they like 
take the Millennium Falcon and 

1269
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,560
attach it to this Imperial ship.
And he goes detach and they 

1270
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,000
float away. 
That's what I think. 

1271
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,760
I said detach in my head and I 
float away and I go, OK. 

1272
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,680
And that was cool. 
So when you think about 

1273
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,920
detaching and being able to be a
part of it, then you can go, no,

1274
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,960
it's OK if I do this, what's the
worst that's going to happen to 

1275
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,320
you if you go on this hike? 
Your dad'll go way too fast. 

1276
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,840
Oh. 
My God, he's got so much energy 

1277
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,680
for being, for being 60. 
Yeah. 

1278
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,520
And after having all these crazy
ass surgery, yeah. 

1279
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:43,880
Holy. 
Shit, right? 

1280
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,000
That guy's probably got more 
scars than Pinhead does in Hell 

1281
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:48,800
Raiser. 
Yeah, I was surprised. 

1282
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,840
He's probably. 
Got wicked scars all over. 

1283
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,480
Dude for my younger brother who 
plays, I don't know if he plays 

1284
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,160
soccer anymore, but he played 
soccer for 15 years. 

1285
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,320
Probably Thomas Alec. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

1286
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:07,080
And me and Alec were the ones on
the hike with him and going hey 

1287
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,120
we're probably OK doing like 70%
of this speed even. 

1288
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,000
We passed every single person on
the trail going up like 

1289
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,160
everyone. 
We were walking faster then. 

1290
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,000
That's not enjoyable. 
I was like, Oh my God. 

1291
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,720
But even then, like. 
I was glad I was smoking. 

1292
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:24,920
Oh well, it makes it a lot 
easier. 

1293
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,280
Then I was like, it's. 
Cool, what pen did you have with

1294
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,040
you? 
I was rocking. 

1295
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,000
Oh my God, I'd have to go look 
at what that. 

1296
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,320
No, hang on, let me think. 
I was using when I went on my 

1297
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,960
hike. 
What did I get? 

1298
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,400
It's not Otter pop, it's it's an
it's a hybrid. 

1299
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,920
I was doing banana banana kush. 
Oh, that would be nice. 

1300
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,960
Yeah, I. 
Puffed on that thing the whole 

1301
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,880
way up. 
Like no shits given. 

1302
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,200
Like I'd probably say like every
quarter of a mile I was taking a

1303
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,280
hit. 
Mine was definitely more quarter

1304
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,720
mile, yeah. 
About that I mean almost. 

1305
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,440
To it could have been every. 
You know, maybe a little less. 

1306
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,440
Mine could have. 
It was never more like. 

1307
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,960
That mine definitely could have 
been more no. 

1308
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,280
No, no distance wise. 
Oh yeah, no. 

1309
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,680
I mean, I'm only telling this 
because I'm trying to make it 

1310
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,600
sound less than it was, because 
it's not like somebody was just 

1311
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,040
like, dude, impressive. 
You ate that entire package of 

1312
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,960
Oreos. 
Like nobody fucking says that. 

1313
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,320
Nobody said that one one really.
You know, gluttonous person 

1314
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:26,960
doesn't look to another one 
going fucking. 

1315
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,000
Hey bro, good job taking down 
that burger. 

1316
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,440
No, you did it. 
Mission accomplished. 

1317
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,280
Yay. 
Unless it's like going to that 

1318
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,640
restaurant and it's the 
challenge they have because it's

1319
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:42,520
like that 10 LB burger. 
We call this the colon Buster. 

1320
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,400
That's what it should be. 
But you know, it's, I don't 

1321
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,680
know, At the end of the day, we 
need to give ourselves a little 

1322
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,720
bit more, a little bit more 
slack on if we're going to die 

1323
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,680
or not really take that time to 
be able to get that just be 

1324
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,840
whether it's a hike, playing 
video games, doing something. 

1325
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,320
Hell, maybe if your thing is 
just smoking weed and looking 

1326
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,240
off your porch, fucking A yeah, 
why not, right? 

1327
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,200
You should get high and just 
hang out because you're probably

1328
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,760
moving way too fast in your mind
and you need to slow the fuck 

1329
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,720
down. 
And maybe everywhere else in 

1330
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,520
life, because sometimes you 
know, we are really moving like 

1331
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,960
1,000,000 miles a minute, so. 
So take a break. 

1332
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,200
Smoke strain. 
Yeah, and find your perfect 

1333
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,640
strain. 
Go through our entire catalog 

1334
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,200
and find the strain that you 
like the most. 

1335
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,480
Hey, even here's a good idea. 
See if you want us to do a 

1336
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,480
follow up review on any of those
strains and we'll see if we can 

1337
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,400
find them again. 
Oh, and in the comments below, 

1338
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,480
let us know your favorite 
strains of all time because I'm 

1339
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,000
very curious to go see what ones
we haven't done, what ones we 

1340
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,720
haven't even tried, and what 
ones become our new favorites. 

1341
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,040
So. 
Yeah, no, there's so many really

1342
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:57,120
good ones out there. 
Still jonesing for black amber? 

1343
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,600
Yeah, that was amazing. 
It's a bit. 

1344
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:00,800
More. 
Yeah, we got it. 

1345
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,920
I'm going to get some more of 
that eventually. 

1346
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,520
Soon. 
And you can get some more of us 

1347
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,200
guys by tuning in next week. 
Yeah, hey, and support the show.

1348
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,600
Go down there below, just click 
on it and start helping us out. 

1349
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,600
And final thought is if it's 
hot, don't touch it. 

1350
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:18,880
See you next week.
