1 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,760 Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles. 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,400 And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,080 about everything pertaining to cannabis from vape flour, 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,480 edibles, strains, and everything in between. 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,200 Hey, welcome back. Hey kids. 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,160 Got an exciting episode today. Well, we're going to be able to 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,680 talk a little bit more about the real cost of cannabis and what 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,080 it takes not only to buy it, because we're all concerned 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,680 about price. We want to make sure that we're 10 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,360 getting the high quality. Some of us, some of us are like, 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,480 dude, give me whatever. That I just want the most flour 12 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:49,800 that I can get for as much. I get a pound for $600.00. 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,040 Wow, OK, yeah, I got some dried shit here for you. 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,720 But one thing that we've been thinking about, and I know we 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,960 know a lot of you are there. We've got two different places 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,240 that you're going to be able to get that the typically is a 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,480 consumer that one of your dispensaries or pharmacies if 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,960 you're in a medical state. The other one is next to your 19 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:11,480 outlet. Yeah, it's the plug. 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,400 Yeah, your plug and nowadays it's a little bit more difficult 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,480 for people to start justifying to either spend with a 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,320 dispensary and then run the risk of finding a quality plug 'cause 23 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:27,280 they're not all they're, I mean dispensary to me, I'm like a 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,560 little bit more price here, but I'm hoping that it's quality. 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,720 Growth that it's a better quality product, yes. 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,720 And sometimes you will find that it can be it can be a better 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,480 quality product depending on your dispensary, on the grower, 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,680 on the product you're getting. Unfortunately, sometimes you 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,160 might find that your plug has a better product, better quality, 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,720 better pricing, better experience, which is quite 31 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,160 unfortunate. But even then we've talked about 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,600 like pricing, you know, even getting it for an eighth and 33 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,920 we've seen such various pricing differences all around the 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,000 nation or around the world. Like right now we talked about 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,760 it because one of our favorite places or products that we pick 36 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,080 up often is Dragonfly products and they've got deals that they 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,960 were doing that were some of their flower was $2535 for the 38 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,760 8th, which for Utah, that's a really good deal actually. 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,880 And it we know that, I mean, and, and the biggest reason, I 40 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,600 mean, we even said that when we had marathon not too long ago. 41 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,600 We're not, we're not fanboys of Dragonfly. 42 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,640 What we are is fanboys of quality grown very transparent 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,800 processes that they, I mean, they brought us in, they showed 44 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,600 us everything and we've tried others not to say that they're 45 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,120 bad, but the quality isn't the same. 46 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,000 But at the same time, though, it's like, you know, when you 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,880 hear from from products such as Dragon, like companies like 48 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,840 Dragonfly and they have this premium product like, and that's 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,920 why it costs the way, that's why it costs so much. 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,920 And we would hear that just like that's hard to compete with 51 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,520 something that's cheaper. I mean, you look across the US, 52 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,880 dude, like here's this thing I'm just going to give a couple of 53 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,400 says. So it's utilizing this data from 54 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,160 Cannabis Business Times and this goes from 2020 to 2025, but I'm 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:25,280 going to start with 2025 first. So in California right now, 56 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,320 average price per oz is $74. I could see that because they do 57 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,520 have a lot of really low priced places in certain over saturated 58 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,960 areas and then dispersed out further there is a little bit 59 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,960 higher pricing so. But in 20/20 it was 150. 60 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,800 So that's a big drop. Yeah, 50% drop. 61 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,920 So that's like, OK, so price is going down. 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:56,040 Michigan, it's $83.70. It used to be 419. 63 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,320 Which is an insane amount because I and that's their 64 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,280 average, right? Their average was 419. 80% 65 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,400 reduction even. Here where I felt like it's been 66 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,560 incredibly high-priced, we've I actually saw you can get oz. 67 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,480 Maybe it's not top shelf, but you can get an ounce of flour 68 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,640 over at some of the dispensaries for like 180, which again, isn't 69 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,960 top shelf, but $180 in a legal state where you can get it. 70 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,280 That's not the worst pricing I've seen either. 71 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,800 No, it's pretty decent. And that's the thing too. 72 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,960 I mean, like you look at states like Connecticut, New Jersey, 73 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,000 it's 300 plus per oz, but it's a newer market and newer markets 74 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,880 are, you know, even though you have mature cannabis markets, 75 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,760 mature cannabis markets being Oregon, Colorado, Washington, 76 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,080 California, Arizona. Yeah, Arizona, New New Mexico. 77 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,480 New Mexico. I mean, we've got a lot more 78 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,600 East Coast that have a bunch in. There as well. 79 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Yeah, that really come up. I mean, Oklahoma is a big 80 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,240 standout. Yeah, they have those. 81 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,240 Mature out there. Four or five years now. 82 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,160 Yeah, I mean, Florida has been out there for a while too, but 83 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,520 it's been a medical state. It's one of the highest 84 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,320 producing medical states. Interesting. 85 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,960 But they have a ton per capita. They have a ton of dispensaries, 86 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,680 Tons of dispensaries. Yeah, well, they're they're in 87 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,800 the top earners in there and they're in the billions. 88 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,520 Of dollars they have a lot of hemp based products as well. 89 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,400 I've got a friend out there and because he doesn't have his 90 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,240 medical card, he plays in the hemp side and I was like, bro, 91 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,640 you just have to get your card because the product quality 92 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,360 differences, like why would you even touch that? 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,280 And so I mean it, it also varies like from West Coast to East 94 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:40,640 Coast and that can, but it's like like one of the things like 95 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,720 West Coast, like big harvest Shields, mass supply, low prices 96 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,880 like in California, but the, you know, it's robust variety. 97 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,080 They have frequent flash sales and we'll talk about looking for 98 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,360 sales around the pricing as well. 99 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,880 But on the con side, you. Know all of them, like 100 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,760 California and stuff, yeah. It's oversupply, regulatory 101 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:06,640 patchwork and gravy market presence, unlicensed and seemed 102 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,960 legit by sellers. And that's where that Gray 103 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,680 market comes in where that Gray market, it's these companies. 104 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,920 Like we were just talking about it before we got on here in 105 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Oregon. You guys have so much weed, so 106 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,440 much cannabis that. Well, they oversupplied back in 107 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,040 2020-2021. It was millions of pounds over, 108 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,360 but it was like they will never go through that product base and 109 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,920 yet they're growing again and again and again just like 110 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,920 everyone else. So then what happens to all this 111 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,000 product? I would be curious, I mean, if, 112 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,200 if there was out there, maybe we'll create a statistical data 113 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,960 gathering for this one. But I'd like to be able to 114 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,000 understand from those that are plugs out there who listen to 115 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,760 our show. Did you see a during the 116 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,320 pandemic, did you see a lot more flour coming into the market for 117 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,560 way cheaper? Were you able to buy it cheaper 118 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,520 per pound as opposed to where it was because they had pricing for 119 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,320 products? Well, you think about Oregon, I 120 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,680 mean that would be that right? There is a triggering for me in 121 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,680 my head going massive black market, Gray market potential, a 122 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,560 lot of raw flour being produced. I mean for those in the trade, I 123 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,760 mean how do you get a plug in, you know, call it in Idaho, 124 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,240 right? Yeah. 125 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,960 How do you get a? But there are those guys out 126 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,360 there in Idaho. It was a massive market. 127 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,480 But did that affect the market? Did the black market surge? 128 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,640 Because what we see in the cannabis market as the the 129 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,720 commercial side, yeah, your dispos, billions X billions of 130 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,880 dollars, that black market must be in the stratosphere. 131 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Yeah, oh, 100% because you know that it's even here in Utah when 132 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,960 we talked with them, they were like, Oh yeah, it's, we 133 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:59,200 understand that out of our medical patients about what was 134 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,120 it, less than half of the product they buy comes from the 135 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:03,800 state. So they assume that even the 136 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,120 medical patients are buying over 50% of their products outside of 137 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,000 the state. And yeah, why not like what the 138 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,320 fuck? But I but the other part too, I 139 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,720 mean to kind of understand that, I mean other than prices over 140 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,680 there, we went through, we'll go into that one, the cost of being 141 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,960 able to actually do this row. Play in that arena. 142 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,440 Yeah, like the cost of running a small commercial grow. 143 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Here's some, here's some statistical data, right. 144 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,480 And indoor commercial grow. So it's about 500 square feet. 145 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,720 The setup is about 75 to $100 per foot so. 146 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,640 Length per year per. Oh yeah, I'll get to that one. 147 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,600 So dedicated grow rooms, lighting HVAC, security 148 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,680 compliance and then annual operating costs, lighting, HVAC 149 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:54,160 expected. You're expected to pay about 40 150 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,240 to 50 KA year for utilities plus labor, nutrients, packaging. 151 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,000 On a 700 square foot. On a 500 square foot. 500 square 152 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,680 foot. And it costs like in the setup, 153 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:08,560 meaning like you're setting up everything, all your lights and 154 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:10,640 stuff like that. Installation Bill. 155 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Right. Your products, your lighting, 156 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,000 all that's they estimated to be around $75 to $100 per square 157 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,640 foot in there. That's what it's worth. 158 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,640 It's like when you go into like a McDonald's, like you really 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,480 want to get into that. Look up how much it cost per 160 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,440 square foot to set that up. It's a lot of money because 161 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,280 they're based. It's like the the parking stalls 162 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,720 at Walmart. Each one of those are equated to 163 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,960 around $50,000 a piece per year. Yeah, because it's how many 164 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,800 people can park there, which is business in there, so. 165 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,760 So for those who do really well at painting parking lots, that's 166 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,920 a great way for you to add value to it. 167 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,560 Well, how much does it cost per when you're done if you don't 168 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,640 have clearly defined lines and you don't really know how much 169 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,600 money you're making? Yeah, but but thinking about 170 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,000 that, I mean, dude, 40 to 50K, that's just your operational 171 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,800 cost. Yeah. 172 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,800 Well, when we years ago, when I made that very educational, how 173 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:11,200 much disappeared so fast in what was already supposed to be an up 174 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,480 and running operation and to realize all of it had 175 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,760 disappeared and none of it had even gone to the grower was kind 176 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,400 of quite the shock. Dude that that wasn't that. 177 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,320 When I started getting really deep into asking him more about 178 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,680 the finances and when he was playing with me, the thing that 179 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,840 really triggered it for me was calling my friend who had a full 180 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,280 operation in Colorado Farm Distillery. 181 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,600 Oh yeah, a shop right to three of them, three shops. 182 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,200 And I said, hey, man, like these guys raised X amount of dollars. 183 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Is that good for a small 1? He laughed. 184 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,200 He was like, Oh yeah, I raised 7 million and it was barely. 185 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Enough. But he was also in Colorado, 186 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:55,120 too, right? But but at the time I was like, 187 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,800 what would that 7,000,000 go into? 188 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,440 And then he explained like, all this stuff that I just went 189 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,920 through and that didn't have the feeling that that's what was 190 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,040 going on. No. 191 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,880 He he definitely tried to let it on that it was that way, but you 192 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,440 know, in actuality it wasn't. And so when you look at those 193 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,840 costs, right, like the build cost 25. 194 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,560 Oh no, that's just the commercial. 195 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,840 Indoor commercial go greenhouse $25 to $50 per square foot. 196 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,360 Non commercial home small room scale scaled down a basement 100 197 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:34,120 feet might cost about 5 to 15 five to 15 K initially 5000 to 198 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,000 15 K. Oh, if you were to build it into 199 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,320 a nice grow room. Yeah, in your own house that 200 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,000 that Now the cost of extraction, dude, that's the part. 201 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,640 Equipments range from 10K to 100K. 202 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,480 Oh yeah, 'cause it's all like chemistry and science and. 203 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,880 Now you're a big farm. Yeah, now you're extracting a 204 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,040 lot. You have to produce not only 205 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,760 carts, which are big sellers, edibles, which I would think is 206 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,480 the second best seller. And then you have your flower or 207 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,720 concentrates. I would say probably flower, 208 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,360 then concentrates just based on pricing that you see where 209 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,640 you're at and availability. And that's the other thing too. 210 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,160 It's just like, you know, your, your, your grows, regardless if 211 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,960 they're an MSO or they're a small grow, that's a fuck ton of 212 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,440 money. A pardon my French, It's a, it's 213 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,320 a, it is a lot of money. It's a lot of money. 214 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,280 It's a lot of money for me to put into that one. 215 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,840 And then people think of those who are in the cannabis, they're 216 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,320 like, oh, well, they're making tons of money. 217 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Yeah. Like the really? 218 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,320 You think and you're like, oh man, look at how much money 219 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,400 they're making. But then doesn't that, I mean, 220 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,280 but I want to be devil's advocate here, man. 221 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,360 I want to ask you like now that we know that, can I really get 222 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,520 upset with the dispensary charging me that? 223 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:52,080 Well, in, so it's the, the chicken before the egg dilemma 224 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,720 that we have here in which they always talk about, you know, 225 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,320 hey, we know that we've only got X amount of people who have come 226 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,800 here and we understand our, our prices are, are this high. 227 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Well, we can't justify lowering our prices because we're only 228 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,680 selling this much. OK, But if you lower your 229 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:14,560 prices, you already said that 50% of your consumers medical 230 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:18,680 products come from out of state. So you're already throwing away 231 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:23,680 50% of your potential income from existing customers because 232 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:26,240 you're pricing you're not willing to lower because, well, 233 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,480 we might not make as much. Well, you might also sell out 234 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,840 like that and realize, holy shit, well, now we have all the 235 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,960 money to do this next thing. Or hey, maybe we're not gouging 236 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,480 this because it isn't actually necessary if we do this. 237 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,040 And hey, we can do these things. And kind of like we learned, oh, 238 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,520 they're charging 100 and like when Nerath is on here, oh, 100 239 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,280 and $5200 for their card. If you're in Utah and you're 240 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,120 paying 150 or $200 for your card, stop. 241 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,320 That is a waste of time, a waste of money. 242 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,120 And there are a million other doctors here who charge half 243 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,520 that cost or less. Yeah, or less. 244 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,360 You know one that does for 50 bucks. 245 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,840 Yeah, so it's like it doesn't make any sense to ever spend 246 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,360 that much on a medical card when we learned that the QMP's are 247 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,120 the ones who dictate that price. They could charge as low as 25 248 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 bucks if they wanted and get everyone in their dog a medical 249 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,400 card because, well, Utah's one is chronic pain, and everyone in 250 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,640 their dog has been hurting for more than two weeks. 251 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,560 So oh, shit. Well, my dog's got a medical 252 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,600 card because his legs been hurting. 253 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,960 Oh, well, Utah's cool with that because it's chronic pain. 254 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Don't worry. Like everyone in there, everyone 255 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,520 has aches and pains. I don't think there's a human in 256 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,200 existence who couldn't go. Hey, yeah. 257 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,040 I've been hurting for more than two weeks. 258 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Well, what happened? Oh, well, I'm old. 259 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,120 Yeah, that makes sense. Fuck. 260 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,640 Here's your card. Like, you can get that. 261 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,560 And so it's this thing of, you know, well, the chicken before 262 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,760 the egg. Well, do they need to lower 263 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,880 prices or is it that they don't have the market they want 264 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,280 because their prices are too high? 265 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,640 A lot of times too, I think it's they're not listening to the 266 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,320 market. Either they're creating and 267 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,360 bringing new products out that nobody's asked for, or they 268 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,640 haven't made their current products better. 269 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,720 Appealing enough to be. That's the dilemma that we 270 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,600 talked about. A lot of the reason why you have 271 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,400 such varying costs in different states isn't necessarily because 272 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,720 state regulators or plugs are just super connected. 273 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,680 Well, that's true. That's 100% true. 274 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,760 Like some of the best flower we've had has been from plugs 275 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,880 and we're getting it from. Oregon. 276 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,720 Yeah, Washington. Man. 277 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,680 Good stuff, West Coast. Yeah, West Coast, West Coast. 278 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,120 I mean, I know, I know, Hey, from East Coast, but you guys 279 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,240 know, you smoke weed out the West, you know, know, you know, 280 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,240 come on, man, Nobody from the West Coast comes out and smokes 281 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,000 dragon flag gold. This is amazing. 282 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,080 They go. That's all right. 283 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,120 Yeah, it's some good stuff, like it's not bad for being. 284 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,920 No, it's great. For being a new market where 285 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,600 we're five years in, you know. But that's the thing we talked 286 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,760 about, like the reason why you're seeing an inconsistency 287 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,280 in prices. There's no brands. 288 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,120 And I know there's a lot of hate towards Msos, especially from 289 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,240 private grows or smaller grows, but the one thing that you have 290 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,960 to appreciate from a larger brand is that they have a brand. 291 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,760 Yeah, you can trust them. They have that brand, that name. 292 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,000 It's even like Budweiser. OK, I know what I'm getting in 293 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,720 for. This is my cheap redneck beer 294 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,080 that you know it. It's but dude, it's. 295 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,840 Also a social status over there. If I'm the backyard barbecue and 296 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,600 I've got a Budweiser and I come back there, who am I going to 297 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,280 make a friend with? The guy's got a Budweiser 298 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,680 because I got a Budweiser in my hand. 299 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,320 Like it's silly. It's a cultural thing, but the 300 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,920 cannabis world that that I don't see the like. 301 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,000 There's things in the cannabis world such as Doctor Dabber 302 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,560 that's known Puffco, Puffco. Big time. 303 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,120 Gosh, I mean, we know Stash, but I always knew. 304 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:50,720 Now I can't even think of him because. 305 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,560 Shredder. I've always known. 306 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,280 I've known. Shredder Stone. 307 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,760 Sharpstone. Sharpstone, That's what it was. 308 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,960 That's been F. Stone was around for ages. 309 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,320 Ever. Raw rolling papers like there's 310 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,000 a There's a handful of names in the industry that have just been 311 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,599 around forever. And that's the thing too. 312 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:10,079 It's just that there's no consistency. 313 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,800 If there's no consistency, then you put into all those 314 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,960 operational costs just to get this thing set up. 315 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,440 And I didn't even go into the cost of extraction, which I 316 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,319 won't because it's insane on the pricing, dude. 317 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,640 It, it adds up. And on top of it, dude. 318 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,720 The one thing that I didn't expect to find, well I was, I 319 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,000 was wondering and I was curious about it was dispensary waste 320 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,440 and its impact on prices. Oh, it's a ton because you have 321 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,520 to think about how many even here in Utah where it was like, 322 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,520 oh, we're not allowed to do certain things where we can't 323 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 sell product at like really discounted rate or we can't do 324 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,400 why not? If it's going to expire like 325 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,880 it's a week years ago there was some company in California, I 326 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,880 think it was like, Oh yeah, we donate a certain amount of our 327 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,480 waste to veterans or that because it's it's going to 328 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,760 expire and we can just give it to them for a penny or like 329 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,240 something that was like, hey, legally we can't give it to them 330 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,000 for free, but they just paid a penny or something and they got 331 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,480 this. OK, cool. 332 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,400 How, how many, how many companies can do that and donate 333 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,240 and get rid of their products to help people in need like 334 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:21,040 veterans or PTSD people or single, single parents or like a 335 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,520 million other people who could truly use that and go, hey, 336 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,040 maybe I'm not in the in the right. 337 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,720 Maybe I don't have the financial stability right to be able to 338 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,920 afford this medicine, let alone in certain states where, hey, 339 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,400 again, we talked about concentrates with nerf. 340 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,400 OK, Well, some of those are $6080 for the gram. 341 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,360 Yeah, you're getting a booger pretty much. 342 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,120 You're getting a good solid booger. 343 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,520 For 60 to $80.00 and if you're new to cannabis, that might last 344 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,280 you enough that you can feel like it's justifiable If you're 345 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,760 not new to cannabis and you have any kind of tolerance, it's. 346 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,200 Going to get expensive. That's really expensive to go. 347 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:06,320 I can justify $80 a gram. Well, what if I'm using 7G a 348 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,840 month this $560 and in concentrate for that little bit 349 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,160 a month? Same with edibles. 350 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,360 It might as well. I think that's hard in medical 351 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:19,040 states to I think it's even more difficult because the regulatory 352 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,200 process they're only based off of 1, their own bias and then 353 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,320 two, whatever the market says and the market is the people. 354 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,520 But if the people just go like, I mean, you want to know why the 355 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,280 prices are are higher in Utah? We're we're a little above 356 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,120 average when it comes to prices. Sometimes we're on the average, 357 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:39,440 but we're a little above average. 358 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,880 Like we're not crazy, crazy price like New Jersey and 359 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,480 Connecticut, like insane prices out there. 360 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,080 But you also look. At we come down a little. 361 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,000 Yeah, but it's, it's like, I like Massachusetts, where my 362 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,480 mom's at. She's like, oh, we got great 363 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,080 deals all the time. She's like. 364 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,960 But there's a dispensary like there are in Utah with churches. 365 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,000 Yeah. It's one on every corner, maybe 366 00:19:59,000 --> 00:19:59,640 2. Yeah. 367 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:02,480 And they're just like, wow, this is crazy, right? 368 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,880 But that when you've got that amount of want and need, it now 369 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,440 takes over the market where now prices can drop down their 370 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,560 stores. And then there's an opportunity 371 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,440 for chains to happen. Like I would like to have the 372 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,720 McDonald's of. Of cannabis, where I go there, 373 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,160 it's the same brand, it's the same feel, we have the same type 374 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,040 of seeds. You, you do get that. 375 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,040 We don't get that here because of our limit of dispensaries 376 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,440 where we're under 15 in the entire state. 377 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,000 But in almost every other state we do have that. 378 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,320 Like you go to Colorado, there's a bunch of them that there are 379 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,680 consistently. You go to every city, hey, 380 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,840 here's this dispensary. You get same consistency, same 381 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,120 with Arizona, same with New Mexico, California, Michigan, 382 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:52,960 everywhere. I like Oregon. 383 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,960 I'm sure Oregon it a little more dispersed, but I'm sure there's 384 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,680 still some consistency across brands. 385 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,520 But we don't have that here because we have under 15 386 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,840 dispensaries and a few of those are Msos. 387 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,840 So they're the ones who. They dictate the market. 388 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,920 Yeah. And they're coming into it and 389 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,160 just having all this product and we've got smaller scale ones 390 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,200 coming in going, hey, we're still figuring out growing. 391 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,440 And that's where I wonder about, you know, radiated weed. 392 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,320 Was it the worst product? Maybe not, but maybe the 393 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,800 starting product wasn't the best. 394 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,800 So they. No, but I mean, I think about 395 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,680 where they're growing on that scale like you're, you're 396 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,080 growing significantly more. These Ms. OS are being able to 397 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,640 beat the hell out of their competitors because their 398 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,760 operational costs have already been factored in. 399 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,680 So they don't make it. I mean, you got to look at 400 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,520 cannabis and supply chain is almost the exact same type of 401 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,960 margins, extremely narrow margins. 402 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,120 It's not poor house by any means. 403 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:58,440 They're very wealthy people within cannabis. 100%. 404 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,560 But there's a lot of other people that are running their 405 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,880 businesses like they're going to B and I meetings, they're a 406 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,000 florist or a guy who does at home mechanic work. 407 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:12,800 No shame in it, but your prices are dictated by your needs and 408 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,120 when you start to expand. Your needs expand and then and 409 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,920 you, but you also understand from a larger point of hey, 410 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,040 we've got X operational cost that has to be covered. 411 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,360 We have to meet this versus smaller scale that are like, 412 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,240 hey, I'm burning 80 hour weeks and I I'm not making anything. 413 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,840 Well, why are you working 80 hour weeks? 414 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,560 Have you not figured out a smarter way to do business yet? 415 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,880 Have you not figured out a smarter way to structure and run 416 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,400 your your business and your grow and that because again, how many 417 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,040 people are going to grow like a business versus running it like 418 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,600 I'm growing tomatoes in the backyard? 419 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,000 Yeah, and that's really difficult. 420 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,160 I mean, you've got to be really smart on. 421 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:59,280 Taxability like, because most like you're taxed first versus 422 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,720 most businesses where your tax last. 423 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,240 And so they're going, hey, we're taxed on everything we're making 424 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,560 versus hey, you're taxed on the income your business made for 425 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,640 that year after you've paid out every other thing under the sun 426 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,800 that you can think of or spend money on and go, oh, hey, look, 427 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,720 we, we made this match this year. 428 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,600 You know, I think about that like, and this is hypothetical 429 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,040 like for instance for like Dragonfly like you had brought 430 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,560 up like if if their prices went down to be in this is our base 431 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,000 price now. Yeah, which is comparable and 432 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,280 compatible with everybody else. Doesn't matter on THC count 433 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,720 based on quality. Yeah. 434 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,800 And then you did deals to be able to make sure that you're 435 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,600 getting older product, right. You've got about it's already 436 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,160 sat on the shelf for two quarters. 437 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,760 Let's get rid of it. Right. 438 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,400 You do flash sales, Yeah, right. And you push that out where you 439 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,240 let your people, that's where I feel like a lot of them fail. 440 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000 And I've only been thinking about this because of like where 441 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,600 we're thinking on our direction for social media and content and 442 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,960 how like our, our shows are different now. 443 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,440 Like the one you're hearing now is totally different than what 444 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,120 you heard like probably last week. 445 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,400 And so you're, you're getting this change within the system 446 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,080 right now that's really trying to be emphasizing on quality. 447 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,720 And if you start to be able to do something like that where you 448 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,360 can actually bend to the will of the consumer, you'll solve your 449 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:30,800 own problem. I mean, you just. 450 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,040 Have to create an educated consumer is that is the only 451 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,200 issue because. But we've been down to the other 452 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,120 farm. Can they compete with an MSO? 453 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,400 No, not even close. No, not on scalability. 454 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,880 And that's why they can control the quality because when there's 455 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,280 more hands, it's harder to be able to see who's doing what. 456 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,760 And in there, I mean, it's a good sized facility, but it's 457 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,280 not massive by any means, no. And so they can they're, they're 458 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,760 closer to it, they can touch it. But when you've got all these 459 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,560 tremors, all these. Well, there's always a layer of 460 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,600 disconnect. Right. 461 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,560 It's always going to happen. So that's why we see lower 462 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,160 quality, but or even decent quality for way lower prices 463 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,840 because they can beat out that other guy. 464 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,720 It's capitalism. It's a sucky part of it because 465 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,880 we suffer as the customer because then we get shit 466 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,800 product, but most of us don't even understand what that means. 467 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,960 But that's because we're going for that bottom shelf, bottom 468 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,040 cheapest price. Hey, what can I get is my 469 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,800 biggest bang for my buck. But this isn't potato chips. 470 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,440 It doesn't matter. Like you're not getting the same 471 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,080 thing from Lay's to Doritos to that. 472 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,080 It's Hey, you might pay this much to get this product here 473 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,480 and it's like bottom shelf. And then you're going over here 474 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,000 and well, this is like a sipping whiskey that's been aged for 25 475 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,400 years and it's got these amazing notes and you don't need 476 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,840 anything else like it. It's it's the care and that goes 477 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,160 into it kind of like craft brewing. 478 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,960 You get craft stuff that's done or, or even coffee beans that 479 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,160 are roasted by a a craft roaster versus any major name brand 480 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,320 where they taste burnt and and over roasted or sour notes. 481 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,360 And you're just like, this is a very unique roast profile. 482 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,240 Like why, why is this being sold? 483 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,080 But it's because that's what people buy because we're just so 484 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,760 used to the convenience and the cheap and well, I don't need 485 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,720 this top one because who needs that? 486 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,560 Like why, why would I pay for that? 487 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,120 Well, because when you drive a Mercedes, you realize that the 488 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,640 Prius just didn't match the feel, the handling, the comfort, 489 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,480 the like heated, cooled seats, the. 490 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,240 The steering. Wheel the Do you want that with 491 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,560 your cannabis experience or do you want the the 1965 pickup 492 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,080 that has busted old suspension? The AC doesn't work. 493 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,680 It doesn't have a radio. I mean, it does have a radio, 494 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,000 but the antenna is kind of disconnected. 495 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,160 So it's super staticky and it's got paper cones and one of the 496 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,560 cones is slightly torn. So you hear this like weird 497 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,120 noise all the time. You're like well, I could drive 498 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,120 this for really cheap. It's only going to cost me like 499 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:13,800 100 bucks for that oz, but like for $170 for an ounce I could 500 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,200 get the Mercedes G wagon that's like tricked out and for some 501 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,080 reason it's massaging my feet. Well, I don't even know how 502 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,960 this. Is how a deal? 503 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,760 Yeah, exactly. It's all based on that. 504 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,880 And I think it's when you've been driving a shitty car for so 505 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,680 long, you really don't know what comfort is. 506 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,960 You just know that it gets good gas mileage. 507 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,240 Yeah. Well, but that's why you buy the 508 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,880 cheap. Shit, but then you think about 509 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,160 it and you don't realize that sometimes with cannabis, that 510 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,440 car that you're thinking has really good gas mileage, 511 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,760 actually has a hamster under there. 512 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,240 And so you're getting 2 miles to the gallon because you're having 513 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,800 to smoke the entire oz to get the same feeling that you would 514 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,880 have gotten from 1/4 ounce, right? 515 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,120 You know, And so you're burning through that gas versus just 516 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,080 going oh, hey, I got to where I was going I I barely touched on 517 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,960 the gas and holy shit, I'm at 100 miles an hour Look at that. 518 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,760 Well, my car didn't even go 100 miles an hour and but then 519 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,960 that's where dosing comes into play you. 520 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:12,680 Know. Yeah. 521 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520 And that really. Oh man, yeah, you're right. 522 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,720 So then I, I'd rather pay for that Mercedes or that 523 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,360 Lamborghini cannabis experience where I'm, hey, I, I don't even 524 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,400 have to touch the gas. I I literally put it in neutral. 525 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,840 I took a little puff and damn, look, we're going 65, we're 526 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,720 cruising and this is dope. Like this is right where I 527 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,760 wanted to be. I took nothing and I've got so 528 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,000 much left because I didn't even touch it. 529 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,120 Yeah. And it's it really come, I mean, 530 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,520 as you become more familiar with cannabis, as you start trying 531 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,240 like like concentrates, concentrates aren't typically 532 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,440 widely used, not as much especially. 533 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,240 Newer consumers I feel like. But I think that's what's 534 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,360 better. It's a better solution for them, 535 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,160 especially on pain management, on longevity. 536 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,280 It's better than carts because carts it carts have that plateau 537 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,920 and you don't get past it. So for a medical consumer, I 538 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,160 feel like a concentrate with even like the Papco pivot it's 539 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:20,640 130 or the doctor Dabber excess that's 150 or the bomb Cycloud 540 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,640 that's 220. Yeah, like any of these devices 541 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,280 are are not terrible ones to get into if you do try and use 542 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,960 concentrates, but like if you can use such small doses because 543 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760 you have such quality product. Well, it's, it's more precise. 544 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,800 I mean, even though we were talking about like a gram, 545 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,440 because you know, we'll do some decent sized dabs. 546 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200 We're not crazy. But a gram to us, I'm like, 547 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600 well, that's like maybe 5-6 sessions. 548 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Yeah, you know, it doesn't. Well, it doesn't make sense. 549 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800 But for somebody who only needs it like at night time, yeah, 550 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,200 that's worth it. The founder of Puffco had a 551 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,440 video out and I was watching it a while back and he was using I 552 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,280 think the pipe version of theirs that they have. 553 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,520 It looks super. Cool. 554 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,160 But he was talking about the amount of concentrate that you 555 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,160 need maybe for like each dose. He was like in here I'm putting 556 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,680 like point O3. It's just like a pinhead, no? 557 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,760 More pinhead, super tiny and he's like, this is good you 558 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,880 don't need more than this. This is a perfect dose and I'm 559 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,920 like, but so for a new consumer or someone who's doing that, how 560 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,960 long would a gram last if you're even using that much? 561 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,160 Because maybe more, Yeah, you're like, OK, well, I'm 100th like a 562 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,040 30% of. And that's why I really like the 563 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,040 hot knife, because the hot knife is so exact, like, yeah, you're 564 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,000 going into it not hot, but you can pull it out and then you can 565 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,800 drop it in because I think we lose a lot of it on on our 566 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,160 tools. Yes and no. 567 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,040 The other thing I do notice with the hot knife, it still keeps a 568 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,080 certain amount of concentrate on it, just like with the other 569 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,120 one, it's just liquidy. So then I have to try and rub it 570 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,480 on the side of my I don't want to do it on the side of the 571 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,280 banger because then it defeats the purpose of dry dropping it 572 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,880 nicely in the center. So I'm like, well, maybe that's 573 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,240 the value is it doesn't get it on all the upper and sides of 574 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,640 your device. And then you can still wipe that 575 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,520 extra concentrate on the thing. But when I have a live rosin and 576 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,240 then it's been heated up, well, it's not the same consistency 577 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,400 then. So then I'm rubbing on the top 578 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,160 and it's hardening and it's, it's just, it's not the same 579 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,320 consistency. So I look at that and I'm like, 580 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,960 it still has some on there, but it makes it cleaner on your 581 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,360 device. I think that your device itself 582 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,280 doesn't get all the RIM sticky and that because you're just 583 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,160 dropping directly into the center, which is nice for 584 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,080 cleaning for, you know, everything else that might be 585 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,560 fantastic, right? But that was my thing because I 586 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,560 got all excited thinking, oh, it's never going to have it on 587 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,240 here. And I'm like I still have the 588 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,480 same thing. Well, you know when you were 589 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,520 talking about that, I was like the only device that I have used 590 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:58,080 in the last several years that actually can get close to doing 591 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,560 that is the Utilianate that little spoon thing. 592 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000 Cuz you you can put it on there and it drips down the it'll. 593 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600 Drip there when it sounds. Like a hot knife. 594 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,360 Yeah, but it's exact cuz it all comes off. 595 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,640 Yeah, the heat just allows it. I mean, you'll get a tiny 596 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,720 residue on there, but it's a tiny about. 597 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,800 That's what I liked about it. I just didn't like the atomizer 598 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,240 and but the system that has it's perfect and it's so insulated 599 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,120 that it doesn't get warm. Every other one gets warm in my 600 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,200 hand. OK, you can feel them. 601 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,160 But that one's the only one. But, you know, going, you know, 602 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,400 I, I've loved this conversation because we've, we've talked 603 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,680 about it. I just want to hit on a couple 604 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,440 of different things and, and we'll put, you know, we could 605 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,000 even put this whole thing in the show notes. 606 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,400 Yeah, put. Like a link to it? 607 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,720 Yeah, we'll, we'll go into that, have that in there too. 608 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,160 Honestly look for deals, look for quality products that go on 609 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,080 sales. There's awesome ones you can 610 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,240 look on Leafly and weed maps. I always got sales. 611 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,240 Don't know if OK. I was like I never used to check 612 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,320 there because they never had what I was looking for. 613 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,600 When I would go, I always used to look at Canasaver was the 614 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,680 website. I didn't have an app back then, 615 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040 maybe it does now. But when I would go to Colorado 616 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,080 all the time, I would look at Canasaver and I would look at, 617 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,840 OK, I want to find concentrates. Well, I'd look through that. 618 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,200 I'd maybe carts and I'd look through there and they'd go, 619 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,080 what about flour? And if someone else is driving? 620 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,560 Well, I've got plenty of time on that drive to go. 621 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,880 Where are these goodies at? What do I really want? 622 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,640 What is the strain I'm looking for? 623 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,840 What is the type of concentrate or white like flour? 624 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,360 And because of that, I can go, Oh well, it's from this 625 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,840 dispensary and within, within these brands. 626 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,840 So this is a better brand. This is a better quality. 627 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,840 I can look here and back when I was going to Colorado all the 628 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,400 time, I was able to tell more of that, but I haven't gone no. 629 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,440 So you know, I I couldn't really give you a distinct brand or 630 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,120 label in Colorado that I'm like, oh, this has been my favorite 631 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:47,760 one. Go check out. 632 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,280 Because it wasn't like that. It was like just random, like 633 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840 goody bags. Oh, or like I loved Buddy Boy. 634 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,640 I went to the green solution often, but there's also been a 635 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,960 lot of a lot of changes. Across you. 636 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,880 Know but look for deals or even if you have a plug, if you've 637 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,360 been buying an eighth and you're like man, I spend this much. 638 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,960 Well ask him if he does a deal. Maybe instead of 1 cart, 3 carts 639 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,560 as a deal or instead of an eighth, maybe at 1/4 ounce you 640 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600 get a discount. Like what is it that you can go 641 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,679 hey, maybe I don't have to spend as much. 642 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,199 Maybe I can get the same products, same stuff, better 643 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,679 quality something and find a bargain for me because there's 644 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,800 always bargains out there, whether it's your plugs or 645 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,000 whether it's from a dispensary, You can always find some way to 646 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,280 extend your bang for your buck without having to go to the 647 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,679 bottom shelf and go, hey, can I just get an entire ounce of this 648 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,560 bottom shelf stuff versus maybe getting, you know, maybe you 649 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,920 didn't get a full oz, but maybe you got God 21g instead of 28, 650 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,600 but it was really quality products, but you also spent 651 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,639 $100 and that experience is going to be way longer lasting 652 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,040 and better. And now instead of 1 ounce of 653 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,680 all the same strain, Well, maybe you have three different strains 654 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,080 for three different types of experiences, 3 different terpene 655 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,240 profiles, 3 different cannabinoid profiles. 656 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,160 Like so, you can also diversify that, which also makes your 657 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,880 experience last longer because you're not getting so used to 658 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,680 the one strain for however long it takes you to go through that. 659 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,080 Exactly. And with that, because you 660 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,520 brought up plugs black market, here's some things that I really 661 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,960 wanted, kind of wanted to list out some of the things that you 662 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,760 should look for, especially if you meet a plug. 663 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,000 If you know somebody that you know, somebody that knows 664 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,760 somebody, those are by far the best people that you should talk 665 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,880 to, you know, talk to those around you. 666 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,400 It means it's best to talk to. Don't be talking about it on 667 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,120 social media. But definitely, you know, if, if 668 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,000 you are at a place where you're just like, look, it's too 669 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,600 expensive to go to the dispo or I'm in a state where I just it's 670 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,200 not that way. I'm not condoning you doing 671 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,120 illegal activity, but if you do so, here's some things to look 672 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,320 at. Overly crystally sprayed to 673 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,720 boost shine, if you see that from anybody. 674 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,840 It's often like distillate or like a type of cannabinoid or 675 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,080 something really weird on to it to increase your high. 676 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,240 But then they're just like, oh, this stuff smacks and you're 677 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,440 like, but I don't. And you can tell, you look at 678 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,560 it, you feel it, you're like extremely trimmed, densely 679 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,640 packed. So if you're getting that, it's 680 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,360 usually pretty old super dry. Or maybe just not the best grow. 681 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,360 Yeah, so be aware of that. No smell or harsh chemical. 682 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,880 Older I haven't had that, but no smell. 683 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040 I've had that and that's a big red flag for me. 684 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,160 Could be really old, it could be that it's just been sitting 685 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,240 there for so long that in it's in a plastic bag or something 686 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,640 and it's lost all the smell. You know, yeah, I've done that. 687 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,360 Accidentally left left stuff in plastic bags. 688 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,360 Also, there's a lot of like maybe not a lot, but there's 689 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,720 enough of products that are hemp based that are oh, hey, here's 690 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,160 this and it slaps, but then it's hemp derived product sprayed 691 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,520 with a disti of starts and you're like, what is this blah 692 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,120 blah. Yeah, no, it's garbage. 693 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,280 Also vacuum seal that crushes trichomes so I've never seen 694 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,080 that where it's just like. Yeah, because you don't think 695 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,280 about it. But if you tighten it up really 696 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,720 tight, it'll smash the buds, it smashes the trichomes. 697 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,360 It can like damage the flour. Yeah, and it gets all stuck onto 698 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,200 the plastic, so you don't get to enjoy that. 699 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,600 So it's got to be. That's why glass is by far the 700 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,720 preferred way to be able to. I mean, even though you get in 701 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,400 the bag, it's good to transfer to a glass. 702 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,720 Yeah. And if it is, hopefully it's not 703 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,520 like really tight compressed because that can be. 704 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,600 Well, we've had that. We've had that from dispos. 705 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,880 You know, there was that big scare with vitamin E Fentanyl 706 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,240 contamination in cannabis is rare. 707 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,200 They don't really have AI mean you'll hear about a story about 708 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,480 some kid who got a joint that was laced that because somebody 709 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:47,840 else was being a complete. Ass. 710 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,720 I wonder if, yeah, I wonder if it's more like how often that 711 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,840 really happens. And some of those are touted in 712 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,160 like Fox News or something where you're seeing that maybe it 713 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,480 wasn't actually a joint laced with fentanyl, Maybe it was 714 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,680 something else at a party, but they also smoked a joint and 715 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,240 that kid died, but they also somehow consumed fentanyl. 716 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,480 I don't know. I'm curious what factuals like 717 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,040 data goes into. Such a small amount that could 718 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,200 kill you. Oh yeah. 719 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,320 So it it almost could be. It's almost like touching a 720 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,000 doorknob and then licking your fingers out during the. 721 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,480 Prizing because I met a guy who said his drug of choice is 722 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,920 fentanyl. I know a lot of people who are 723 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,680 addicted to fentanyl. Really. 724 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:33,160 But I was just like, how does not that I have any desire or 725 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,920 curiosity around it, but I'm like how does one even use that? 726 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,200 Because like you said, it could be such a light dosing that 727 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,960 could kill someone they. Inject it or they inhale it or 728 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,000 they'll just put it on their tongue because the amount is so 729 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,160 small. So the amount of fentanyl that 730 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,600 you can get to keep you high for longer is way better than than 731 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,720 bars. It's way better than heroin 732 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,840 because now you get a tight Xanax so you can when you have 733 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:01,840 this tiny amount that would look like a gram. 734 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,360 Of concentrate, yeah. That can last them quite a while 735 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,960 if they're being able to space it out. 736 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,720 But the high is intense. But once you start getting more 737 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:15,360 accustomed to it and the feel, it's really easy to overdose 738 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,600 because you're like, well, just a little bit more wouldn't hurt 739 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,840 me. Yeah, but it will. 740 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,520 It'll kill you. Yeah, it'll fucking kill you. 741 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,120 And so it's like the way that they, they distribute it in the 742 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,360 medical, in the medical world is way different, way different, 743 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,080 more controlled. It's still bad, but it's super 744 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,200 controlled. But when you're getting it in a 745 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,520 raw form where there is no dosing, it's just, you know, 746 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,520 whatever you can take. That's why when people inhale 747 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,480 it, they're getting a lot of fentanyl all at once. 748 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,120 It fits in a powder form and it gets up that much. 749 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,080 I should imagine fuck him, he'd be dead. 750 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:53,600 Dude, like a little bag little baggy full of it, so it it comes 751 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,160 there. But the last thing I want to be 752 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,160 able to talk about real fast is check these things. 753 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:02,360 Aroma Your trichomes, right? Aroma It's got to be strong 754 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,920 trichomes. Frosty, visible color, rich 755 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,760 hues, green purples touch slightly sticky, springy. 756 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,040 Not bone dry or wet. I guess it depends because 757 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,880 sometimes I have had bone dry flour from dispensaries in 758 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,000 Colorado just because the climate and stuff but. 759 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,280 I I think of the. Springy dispensary, yeah. 760 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,360 If it's springy I'm OK with it because the springy is still 761 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,040 dry, but the other side of it if I if I go. 762 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,360 I hate bone dry, like if it's that old it's so bad. 763 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,560 I mean, that's what a lot of Colorado product was when I 764 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,040 first got out. There was like, holy shit, this 765 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,000 stuff's dry. You let it sit for like a month. 766 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,080 Oh man, you like look at it and it's. 767 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,360 Well dude that goes right into ash test so many times you won't 768 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,760 look at your weed but if it burns white. 769 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,600 Yeah, the ash turns white at the end. 770 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,600 Then you know it's pretty good quality. 771 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,480 If it's not, it's mints and high experience. 772 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,320 Clean balance effect, not anxiety driven or weedy. 773 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,960 Yeah, these are some things to think about, especially where 774 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,360 you're talking about the price of cannabis. 775 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,280 So whether you're going to a dispensary, whether you're going 776 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,040 to a plug, start looking at it not necessarily as the price, 777 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,320 but more on the experience side. So the quality is definitely 778 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,360 going to affect it. If you're not a quality person 779 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,320 and you're just like, look, I just like getting high all the 780 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,760 time, peace be with you. I still feel like quality would 781 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,200 be the better way to do that too though. 782 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,960 I do. Too, And that's the unfortunate 783 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,720 thing. This is the people who buy like 784 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,160 the cheap shelf, bottom shelf in a gallon whiskey that's four or 785 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,920 $5 always on sale, you know, Canadian host, but it's like 786 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,480 you're drinking gasoline. But your, your idea is more. 787 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,720 That's better. It is not always true. 788 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,240 So ask questions of your bud tender while you're there. 789 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,760 Ask them a little bit more about the quality of it. 790 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200 What do you notice about? Is it springy? 791 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,120 Is it spongy? Is it really dry? 792 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,280 They'll know. They'll know Exactly. 793 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,840 Oh, yeah. This is pretty dry. 794 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,440 Yeah. Because they're always, they get 795 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,880 a stipend. They're always grabbing free 796 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,320 weed. Oh yeah, they're checking stuff. 797 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,040 Out all the time and so it makes them better at what they're 798 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,960 doing. But if you go there with this 799 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,200 kind of like, give me the cheapest weed you got, you know, 800 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560 expect what you're asking for. So just ask questions around it. 801 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,360 Be a little bit more careful with your spending. 802 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,000 And you've, if you are in a, if you are in a state, I would 803 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,320 honestly look and see if they have a medical program because 804 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,120 even if you're getting recreational cannabis, often 805 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:37,160 times their tax on that Colorado's was in like 2424% tax 806 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:39,440 on it if you weren't a medical patient. 807 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:44,120 And so if you have that card, yeah, you might pay 40-50 bucks 808 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,320 or a doctor's visit, whatever. But you also get taxes taken off 809 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,120 your. Taxes every time and your 810 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,720 product selection sometimes is better quality because the 811 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,120 dosing is more for what your needs are sometimes depending on 812 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,040 what it is that you're actually. And there's a lot of people out 813 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,560 there that do not take advantage of that. 814 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,120 They think it's just, I got to pay for that. 815 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,520 No, no, you get to pay for higher quality, higher dosing 816 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,560 with cheaper costs. So it really is worth it. 817 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,280 But all right, kids. Catch you next week. 818 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:12,800 Take care.