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Yeah, today we've actually got my neighbor Barry Height.
Hello, good to be here. Yeah, it's great.
I I'm really, I mean, he's, he's a local boy here from Utah.
How old are you? I have different 59. 59.
Oh awesome, you're just a year younger than my dad.
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're.
Just a kid to my dad. That's true.
Well, that makes you feel a little better.
Yeah, it should, right? It is the only time I feel like
I, I can be young when I'm working with the individuals
who's in business and they're like 25 and 35.
I'm like, oh, this is great. There's all these young people
around me. And I'm saying young people.
And if I say to my kids, like, yeah, the guy's 35, they'd be
like, oh, he's old, yeah. It's like it's all relative.
A year younger than me, yeah. And it's still pretty old I feel
like. So we brought you on because you
have a unique story. So kind of go into that.
You are a cannabis consumer, right?
How long have you been a cannabis consumer?
About five or six years and. Why?
I have, I have cancer. So I have a carcinoid tumor,
which is kind of a slow growing tumor, but I've had it now for
about 15 years and which is both good and bad.
I mean, it's good if it's not an aggressive, you know, growing
tumor at the time. Obviously it's, it's, it's not
good if it's a painful cancer and and it hasn't been up to
this point. But during the last three or
four years, during may surgeries I've had and post surgeries,
cannabis use has been very, very helpful in helping me to
overcome the, a lot of the, the medical really post medical
problems I've been having with hot flashes and with exhaustive
intestinal problems and things like that.
Cannabis has been really, really helpful.
But it was, I was stubborn for a long time.
My, my kids helped me through that process also.
And I spent years telling them not to involve themselves with
cannabis. And they were the ones,
ironically, that helped me get. Involved in cannabis?
Involved and that, that's kind of story.
I don't know how much you wanted me to go.
Into that. Dude, it's yours.
Yeah, we'd love to hear it. Yeah.
Well, I, I have 4 kids, they're all adult kids.
They're out of the house now, but it was my youngest child.
He's 23 now and at the time, well, I maybe I better go back
just a little bit and talk about how, how we, I got involved and
where I needed the help. I had a lot of pulse surgeries
and I had one in particular. And I don't, I won't go into the
medical history because it's just kind of involved and
boring. But I had a resection, a bowel
resection. And that's where I, I had a, a
tumor in the bowel and they had to remove it because it was
obstructing. So I had that.
And then the, on the second day recovery, it burst.
And so I don't know if you can get an idea yet of of what a
bowel they they put together and then it it burst inside the, you
know. Where is that colon?
The the the. Bowel in the bowel.
Yeah, using the bowel, the bowel itself.
So you have the colon and then you have the, the, the bow which
attaches. And so as a result of that, I
had toxemia and, and which is poisoning of the body.
Now that's not a common thing, but boy, when you have it, it's
life threatening. So yeah, I was in the hospital
for about a month and a half and then in recovery for about nine
months. And it was just, it was a
horrible, horrible experience. That sounds hard.
Yeah, it was really tough. And at that time, I wasn't on on
cannabis and. Was that 5-6 years ago or was
that? 20. 15 years ago.
No, that was about five years ago, back in two.
It was 2015 when I was diagnosed.
I had a surgery where they took about 14 inches of intestine and
it's just, it's the intestine and the valves which absorbs a
lot of the nutrients in the body.
So if you have intestine removed, which I did back in
2005 and then later, I'm jumping forward now to the research and
you have all that intestine and bowel removed, then you don't
have what it takes to absorb nutrients.
So you're weak a lot. So one that the problem has just
been tired all the time because I wasn't absorbing all the
intestine and the bowel which they removed from me.
So I was just tired a lot. And, and I, I might want to
mention also that I have ileostomy.
Have you heard of that? I'm familiar with that.
You you know what a a colonoscopy bag is when you wear
it right here, that that's what that is.
Oh, an ostomy bag. Ostomy bag.
So yeah, my uncle yesterday, actually two days ago, they
found out he had colon cancer. And yesterday he was in surgery
getting it removed. But it actually went well enough
that he doesn't need the ostomy bag.
Like they were able to reattach it.
To to retach it. Yeah, it is.
But did he have it at one point and then they reattached?
Or did they just decide that they it wasn't necessary?
They just removed it all. Like you mean almost all?
Colon Yeah, yeah. So that just happened yesterday,
but I just barely learned about that because I was like, I
don't, I don't know what that is.
My cousin was telling me, yeah, it's.
True. It.
It's really interesting. Yeah.
And, and a lot of people, I, I had mine for nine months.
So I wore a, a bag. For nine months, yeah.
And it was determined, I think somewhere around six or seven
months, there's discussion that there was the potential like
they can reattach it and, but there would be a lot of
complications because you're reattaching it to 1/2 of a, a
vowel, you know, and, and do you really want to do that?
Because you're, you know, there's obviously complications
in digesting and things like that.
So you're attaching it to a vowel, which doesn't work well.
Or you could just go on your happy way with a a bag.
Yeah, bad. And people live fine.
I mean they live really good lives with the ileostomy bag.
There's nothing wrong with that, but I have to make that choice.
And if it's all the same, I decide to have it reattached.
So about nine months later is reattached and there's about
that time that I became more from brings back to cannabis.
I became more familiar with it at that time.
So they were able to reattach it, but then I have problems
with digestion because I had the pain that comes with just
digestion and sleep and all the normal things that come with
that. But Dawson, who, who he goes by,
he he's, he's, he was about 18 at the time, 17 or 18 at the
time. But he was trying to convince me
of this and I told him it wasn't necessary and if it was all the
same, he, he'd be just as well not to do it too.
And so I was a, a, a good LDS father telling him not to do it.
And he was saying you'd be benefited by this if you were to
do it. But I was still in recovery.
During this time, I had to work around my yard and do chores.
But I I had just come in from working in the yard and I was
just exhausted. I laid down and he said, Dad,
would you want a brownie? I just made brownies.
Well, I have to be brownies, of course.
And so and. That should have been a, a dead
giveaway there. I said sure, I'll have one.
But he, he, that's all he said. You know, that was the best
brownie I think I've ever, ever had.
But I couldn't imagine. I was just lay.
I was so relaxed for about two hours.
Just after that I just laid there and my body went numb.
That was probably the first time in ages you had been pain free
or. Something I was, I, I was paying
free compared to anything I felt prior to that.
And it was just so relaxed. I mean, and of course it came
out later, you know, he explained.
But, and it was wonderful. And I knew then, you know, I
didn't need any more to convince you at at that point.
Then edibles became the, the, the big thing.
I didn't have a car then. And I knew at that time it was
just a matter of knowing how to get the card and I, I probably
think I'm talking too much all at 1:00.
Time No. Dude, no.
It's a great story. Keep going.
Don't even worry about it. So we had, and this is when all
the legislative action was occurring a lot up on the Hill.
They'd had many attempts at initiative initiatives, you
know, to, I think Prop two was the one being pushed through at
the time. And they were, we were trying to
get signatures to, to have that go through and which was a
success. Only to have it pass and then
have it be completely wiped away and have the what was then the
Elias Church's version of it, which was their compromise bill,
which became the. HB1O2 or whatever is in place
now I. Was going to say that the UMCA,
the Utah Medical. Cannabis.
Oh yeah, U. MCAI feel a song coming on
UUMCAUMCA. That's how I but that's how I
remember it, you know? Yeah, it's beautiful.
And and it wasn't a great, it was not a great piece of
legislation, but a lot was taken out of it anyway.
A lot was added to it later in subsequent legislations.
And it's much better today. But anyway, it came from that.
So I was able to get my card and I was, I don't know where I was,
but I had to be among the first to get my card in the state of
Utah. And because I had cancer, and I
know a lot in the audience might say, well, yeah, he's got
cancer. You know how I'm sure that was
an easy thing for him. But most of the symptoms which
lend themselves to getting a card as far as cancer is
concerned, in my case, were the same symptoms of Crohn's
disease. And, and they involved the
intestine and, and they're painful and they're just
discomforting and all that. And Crohn's disease, I believe
is one of the the conditions which would qualify one for a
medical card now too. So I, I think my conditions with
cancer, with intestinal cancer are, are similar to Crohn's
disease. I think that's the best way I
could describe it. But yeah, that's.
Got to be really tough. So cannabis helps a lot with the
inflammation and like, the day-to-day, yeah.
A lot, a lot of that right now, a lot of the long term effects
of cancer, which is well, number one is just the pain and
digestion. I don't know if this is a good
analogy, but if if for example, you're injured in one foot, one
the other foot does more of the word to compensate for the other
foot. When you have half of a bowel or
1/3 of an intestine, what's left does more of the work than the
entire intestine itself. So at the end of the day, you
know, digesting the food I need to digest it's.
Just exhausting. Takes a lot of energy to do the
same work. It would, yes.
Exactly. So it's, it's, it's, I think
exhausting is the best word. So it takes away a lot of the,
the discomfort. It doesn't take away the pain,
but it takes the air drop the discomfort.
That and gabapentin. So no opioids anymore like I
once had. That's the other big benefit.
Plus it alleviates the pain and it helps me to sleep.
So I take about two good hits every night of a, a, a good
indica and that just relaxes me and puts me to sleep and takes
away the pain. Do you?
Do edibles much now? No, but I'd like to.
I'd like to get back into edibles again, OK?
Yeah, they can definitely long term value like versus, you know
the cartridge or something where it's thirty 40-50 minutes where
you get several hours out of an edible can be fantastic,
especially for like a Crohn's like symptom.
Yeah, there's a new strain here in Utah called Magic, provided
by Betty, and it is. A high CBG strain, it's great
for inflammation well and. And, and what you're talking
about, so I'm on Trulicity right now for type 2 diabetes and I've
had a high A1C. Well, this causes a, it's kind
of funny 'cause you look at this, this somaglatite or
somaglutide that's out right now.
And they're like, oh, it causes gastroparesis.
Yeah, that's what it's supposed to do.
It's supposed to slow down your digestive system.
And I've never really, I mean, I've had, you know, when people
say I have an upset stomach, it means that your intestines are
having a difficult time, not your stomach per SE, right.
And, and so when you're, you have this pain in there, I have
had, I've been experiencing a lot of GI problems, but that's
part of it at first and then it subsides after time.
But I understand exact 'cause I was I was this morning like
something fierce, like felt like I had a burp stuck and I
couldn't get it out and it didn't matter what I did on the
toilet, it just it hurt and I smoked some of this magic and
literally gone it just. Yeah, because it releases all
the all the muscles and the inflammation.
Starts to flow. Yeah.
And I'm just like, because before I thought I was gonna
crap my pants on the way over. Here right?
And you know that, I mean, it's just your body is just like, we
don't run at full efficiency anymore.
But yeah, I, I completely like you.
You were talking about that. I'm like, Yup, Yup.
And I know that cannabis helps so much with that.
Like I pretty much put myself in a, in, in a, in a on purpose,
like beginning stages of Crohn's disease.
That's what it feels like. And so it's like, but when
cannabis is introduced, it, it just takes so much away.
But you said something and we kind of just ran right over the
top. And This is why this was so
interesting. So and, and, and there's some
nice parallels that I'm thinking about here.
But you're LDS born and raised, yes.
Well, so Barry and his wife are also temple workers, if I'm not
correct. Yes, OK.
Well, my, my wife is, yeah. OK.
And like, they're very active LDS people.
That was actually what was incredibly interesting to me.
So when I when they first bought the home next door, his daughter
moved in and she was living there while they were
remodeling, doing some stuff. And obviously I am a daily
cannabis consumer. And I was sitting in in the den
one evening and, and I hear this coughing and hacking that is
just, you know, very vindicative of like a cannabis consumer.
And I was like, I wonder if that neighbor consumes and then I'm
sitting out back under the patio another day and, and it looks
like she's just pouring some water out of like a pretty glass
vase. And I was like, hey, that, that
looks familiar. Like I've, I swear I've seen
those before. Like I might have a few of those
same, same glass vases. So the next day she's out taking
something out of the car. And I was like, hey, I'm just
going to throw this out there, but you don't happen to consume
cannabis, by the way, do you? And she was like, yeah, I do.
And I was like, I just, I had heard you coughing.
And, and so then we started talking and she was like, oh,
yeah, my, my parents are temple workers.
My dad has been like a medical cannabis consumer for for years.
And even before there was a medical program here.
And I was like, that's incredibly interesting to me
because like, we have another cousin.
His grandma had passed away from cancer, but she was using
cannabis here. 15 Two. Years ago wanna brands, wasn't
she? I I don't know yeah, the edibles
cause Juana's I just. Remember that she was doing it
years and years ago. There was no medical program,
but she was an active LDS person.
Like they're very like involved in their faith.
And I feel like they believed, like they were a very ingrained
in intertwined with what they believed, right.
And so it's just interesting to see because there is still so
much fear and stigma surrounding it, right?
Yeah. And that that's kind of what I
wanted to go into, is that was that part of the difficulty of
even considering cannabis? Yeah, it's a great question.
And that's one of the things that I, I, you know, I, I think
beyond here today, one of the things I want to invest more
time is, is trying to help people to understand that they
can be a cannabis user and have fidelity with their faith, you
know, but it, it's tricky. I mean, there, there's have, you
have to voice certain landmines. But, and, and this gets a little
technical the conversation, but I think the church's position is
that I, I, I think it's non combustibles that you might know
it as well as I didn't, non flower, non combustible
combustibles. And, and they would encourage
oils and edibles and, and vape vape oils.
But then when it comes to vaping, they would say if it's
authorized by a physician and, and this language is important,
but to what what, what's the term to MP that's qualified?
They don't use turn. Qualified.
They just say if it's authorized by a medical provider, vaping is
is. This isn't the term that's used
in the handbook, but it's permissible, yeah.
Because it's and is the the flour like if you can utilize
the flour and even use a vaporizer and bake it, you get
way more of those effects and the terpenes and the
cannabinoids and you get way higher.
Are you talking about? Terpenes or animals?
Terpenes in in. If you vaporize flour, vaporize.
Flour. Yes, exactly.
So the flour is the best way to do it.
It's the. Best way?
But in vaporizing it you get like the highest use from your
cannabis because you don't you don't burn off as much, you
don't waste as much. Even like edibles is such a
small amount on the bioavailability once you
actually eat it and it breaks down so awesome.
Part of vaporizing your cannabis allows you to be able to use
that flower that is now activated to turn it into
cannabis oil, which then you can incorporate into edibles.
And that is The thing is it's like I, I understand that, you
know, it was difficult on that side.
I, I'm, I'm LDS myself practicing active and I, I swear
I get more people asking me questions at church than
anywhere else. They just come up and say, hey,
I know you do this right? Can you?
Tell me a little bit about that. My mom, my sister, myself,
whatever it is and it. Depends on the nature of what
what they're asking, but I'm curious how would the most
commonly answer their questions? So mostly at church, I'm, I'm
very gregarious and I will say whatever is on my mind, I don't
care who's there. I fear no man.
You know, I love God.
God is in my life every single day.
So is Christ. But I'll tell you, you know,
when they ask me, they go, what do you do for a living?
I get rid of that stigma right away, Brandon.
And I say this to everybody now, but I just go, I smoke pot for a
living. And immediately just that that
statement, they go, Hey, where do you get it?
And I'm like, are you curious? And they're saying have been for
a while. And I was like, why?
Because I'm taking this medication.
Or I've tried these things and nothing's working.
And I hear that this works, but is it just, is it like snake
oil? Cause a lot of them feel like
it's not gonna do that. They, they tend to go, well,
this is just in the same category as alcohol.
Like it's bad for you, it's not gonna help you.
And I agree. You know, I, I've been a
drinker. You know, I was in the United
States, Snake. I wasn't always part of this
church, but I don't drink. Not because I'm a part of this,
a part of the faith. I drink because I know it's 100%
toxic for my body. You.
Don't drink because you know, it's yeah.
I don't, I don't because I it's because it's toxic to my body.
You know, if it helped me to sleep, I've got friends in the
church. They're like, I can't sleep.
No medications ever touched me. The only thing happened was a
tall boy from from the convenience store.
I get a, you know, 2448 ounces of beer.
I drink that and I'm able to sleep and.
It's interesting with that, like I have.
So I grew up here. My family's all Norman, and I
have a cousin. He just moved out.
Him and his wife and kids moved to New Jersey and they came back
here and me and his wife were talking.
I think this is the first conversation that we've had in
the 12 years they've been married.
Yeah. But that side of the family is
over 160 people. It's decently large.
And so when we were talking, she was like, yeah, it's, it's
interesting because I was wearing like a cannabis school
hoodie and I was giving my grandma ACBD tincture.
And I was giving her directions on, hey, here's how you do it,
here's what you need to do. And she was like, are you a
pharmacist? And I was like, no, no, I just
educate people about cannabis and like how to use it.
And she's like, so you are a pharmacist.
And I was like, I mean, I, I guess.
And that I I. Consider as apothecaries.
Yeah, it was. Interesting because she was
like, you know, out here in Utah, she was like, I'm really
glad that we moved to Jersey because I probably wouldn't be
Mormon anymore if we were here. And I was like, what makes you
say that? And she was like, well, just the
culture, it's it's different here.
And I was like it, it is Utah. Utah culture is different than
like the LDS church out outside of it.
But she was like, I have so many friends here who were like, I
realized all I needed wasn't all of these medications.
It was a gummy at the end of the day or a glass of wine.
And they could do that and they could manage all of the other
things that they were taking all of these medications for.
But it was like friend upon. Well, and it just.
From their neighbors or someone else going like, hey, you're
doing that right. And that's, I mean, that's the
Utah culture well. And it and it's important to
remember that it's, it's people, yes, it's people, not their
faith. And people tend to use that,
especially, you know, around here.
I grew up here and, you know, we were in my family, we were LDS
up in point till I was like about maybe 11 or 12.
And then we left. We left because of the people.
And even now, just like what Brandon said, like it's a lot of
this is in our heads. Most people who use this that
are LDS, the first thing that they say they go why is this
illegal? Yeah, that's very common to
hear. So it's been good, but because
I'm, I mean, for a lot of other LDS people, I know it would be
really difficult for them to do that.
However, I don't care. And when I'm in church and I say
these things like, I mean, I've, I've taught elders quorum, you
know, I'm a high priest from back that time, right?
And so it's like, it's crazy because these people are willing
to be open. And there's a lot of faiths out
there that are, you know, Christian denominations that are
just like, I feel they feel the exact same way.
They feel, I almost feel like they have more guilt about doing
things like cannabis because they feel like it's wrong, 100%
wrong. Like these are the kind of
people that won't like hardcore Christian Bible Belt people.
You know what I'm talking about? Like.
It's that's interesting. So I, I look at that cause so
Emily always is like, oh man, we should, we could move out of
Utah. There's so many places where
it's so much cheaper and I'm like, it is.
Quite the stigma, no? But she's like, well, what about
this state? Cannabis isn't legal there.
It's in the South. What about this state?
Cannabis isn't legal there. My ex-wife constantly has been
like, you should move to Texas. Our kids like one of your kids
is here and I'm like, and the other kids here.
But like, Texas is still way behind the, like, behind the
ball. They're trying to figure stuff
out and have no idea. And I look at it and it's like
in the same Bible Belt. Like Idaho doesn't have it.
I was surprised that Utah, of all places, was one of the first
ones out of all of these places to introduce a medical program
for cannabis. Like were you so before having a
card, I'm guessing you were still using cannabis once you
found out that it was beneficial for you, was that terrifying
going? I'm guessing outside of the
state to a place you could trust, yes.
I remember what and it was, I think it was, let me see, it was
November in 2018 when it was finally passed.
But it wasn't a year. It was a year and four months.
It was like. 2020 when it was 2020 First pharmacy March. 2020
when Dragonfly opened. So that was a year and four
months. So for a year and four months,
you're right, that was the status and I was nervous and we
made, I made at least three trips to Vegas, partly because
my wife was there on business and I flew, we flew her out to
Mexico and several places. But while I was there, Shango
was the big dispenser there. I don't know if you're familiar
with that, but I have this, this vision of like the police, you
know, looking in the parking lot with, with glasses, you know?
Yeah. Utah license plate.
Well, everyone here has Utah license plates, you know, and
OK, I, I just know what's going to happen.
You know I'm going to hit I-15 and head towards Utah on the
man. I cross the the border.
So I'm going. To go on and there I'm I'm going
to be busted and so just paranoid driving all the way
knowing I'm doing something illicit.
So no, that was a big fear. And so, you know, but I knew
that I, I was qualified, I would have had a license.
It was, it was legal in Utah, but there are no dispensaries up
and running. There's.
No way to get it. There was no.
Way to get it then. So there was that, you know,
almost a year and a half, but. That's kind of how I felt after
they introduced the program and I was like, I went and collected
signatures for Prop 2 and I was talking to people about it and
like educating like this, there's so much value in this.
And so then I was going to Colorado and I was getting
products in that same fear. I would be like, OK, I'm coming
up on the border. Is there going to be like, I
don't see a cop, but are they going to pop out and be like,
oh, you just came from Colorado, we're going to pull you over?
Yeah, I remember when we went to dinosaur.
Yeah. And I'm like sketched.
Out we were going. The speed limit not doing
anything crazy like OK, well, but you're.
Just paranoid, yeah. But I'm like, OK, I've got a
couple pens, maybe some flour. This is for my, for me, it's
medicine. This is gonna help me.
But yet I still qualify according to Utah's programs.
Like I'd still qualify for it. So I'm like, but I don't have a
card. But it's this Gray area and I'm
like, so terrified, like, Oh my goodness.
But at the same time, like, you know, I feel like if I got
pulled over, depending on the officer, depending on the
officer, I can have a logical discussion and educate them.
And most people I don't think truly, truly think it through
because I mean, now they just barely changed it to schedule 3.
But prior to that, like the fact that it's schedule one saying
there's no medical value and it's like, OK, but yet it's a
medicine proven in this state. It's proven on the federal level
with a medical patent. So what are you holding me
accountable to? Like which law?
Which standard is this that you're because they are both
here and you're just looking at what one side of the page and
going, oh, it's this, but like you look at the other same side
of the page and it's something totally different.
You know, on top of that, like, most police officers don't even
really care about it anymore. See that?
Was my next question is, is it differs from officer to officer,
doesn't it? Even then, like, I mean, you
take states that have been around this for a lot longer.
Like it was a really funny video.
Have you ever seen that video of the sheriff in California pulls
over this guy? And he goes, is that your, is
that your weed? And the guy's like, yeah.
And he goes, all right, well, either I got to arrest you or
you got to throw it out. And he's like, what?
And he's like, you got to throw your whole bag out.
And he's like, all right. And he throws it out.
And then he goes, now I'm going to give you a ticket for
littering because that weed is trash.
It was so funny. And it was just like, Oh my.
Gosh, but a. Lot of them, I, I have a lot of
friends who are, are either former law enforcement or are
law enforcement and they just don't care.
They don't care. A lot of them use themselves.
It's. Just we had.
We had one talk to me and my buddy here and he was like, you
know, we don't care. You can consume cannabis.
This was before, before Prop 2, this was before signatures.
This was before any of that. And he came and he was like, we
don't care as long as you're an adult doing it within your own
home and you're not out doing stupid things.
So that's it. That was it.
It was like, OK, and that's in Family City, USA.
Right. Well, I want to keep this
relevant to a larger audience, but like driving from a
dispensary in Utah with a bag unopened as as opposed to open.
Like do you want to see your product, you know, smell?
Oh yeah, this is going to be good.
Wait till I get home, you know, But, but, but what do they, I
mean, if, if they pull you over and it's open or unopened, what,
what are the implications of that 'cause I often wonder that
and that's great. The thing?
Is in in. This is according to the law.
Supposedly you need to have the receipt for your purchase as
well as like the container that it came in.
OK, well, if I'm being realistic, I will never carry a
product package with me. I'm not going to stick that in
my pocket. I'm not going to stick it in my
bag. I'm not going to carry it.
It shouldn't be my responsibility to go here's my
doctor prescription. Like how many people dose out in
their purse? Here's my daily pills.
OK, it might not have in there every prescription bottle and
prescription signature from their doctor.
No. That seems ludicrous, so to go
again. I feel like as long as it is it
visible, is it out? And if you're being pulled over,
if you notice there's a cop, is it up on your seat open?
Yeah, remember. Those stupid things we would
hear like we would go to, we went to a couple cannabis
conferences here or swap meets at the beginning pretty much is
what it is, right? And when we went there, the, the
this girl was like, Oh yeah, you know, I had my card on me and
I'll have like my joint in the middle.
She's like I had. My stuff just out on my seat and
the cop was like, oh, do you have your card?
Oh, it's right here. Oh, you're good.
And I'm like, that's the. Dumbest thing, but it could be.
Possible if it's in the package. If it's like, well, here's.
Also, the thing I mean, if you don't want to be caught with
this, don't act suspicious. Like, that's one thing that I
think about like, like. Hide it when it's when you don't
need to, you know? They're Brandon and I got these
bags from Helmet Head. No, no sponsorship affiliation
with them. We try to reach out and nothing
but these are great bags but it has a lock on it.
So you need a warrant to open a lock?
Yep. And so I have my lock on there
and they could say what's in that bag?
It says personal property. I'm not gonna be a jerk.
I'm not gonna be like those guys on YouTube going, I'm only
rolling down my window this far. Like I'm gonna give him
everything I need because I know if I'm cooperative, they're
gonna be more appreciative and they're gonna let me go.
But most of the time, the only person who knows you're high is
you. And if you're that high and you
get pulled over, I'm sorry. You deserve it.
You probably. Shouldn't be driving if you're
that high and you're that worried about it.
You clearly are way too high to be behind the wheel then, yeah?
So don't do that. You know, I, I have cannabis,
I've been on the road. I mean that study, what was that
study 64? Percent.
So we recently had cannabis chem.
She's a doctor. Yeah, I I heard.
That episode. But it was like. 64% of all the
users in their study consume or have it in their system when
they drive. How?
What percentage was it 60? 4% and 90 it was 90% or over 90%
were daily consumers and were like wake and bakers, but they
would consume first thing in the morning.
Basically I was like holy cow. Because you realize, OK, well,
how many people are really using this and they're utilizing it
every day, They're using it as a medicine.
And then it's, it's not always treated at it, but there there
is, there's so much fear about, well, what do I do?
And Utah is different. Every state is different, you
know, are again, I think it comes down to how are you
presenting? If you are, if you're pulled
over, say you have medicine, say you've got a bag, maybe it's
open, maybe the top of the bag is open.
Does your car smell like cannabis though?
Because if it's if it's still sealed, like when say we go to
Dragonfly, I get a glass jar. When I open that lid of the
glass jar, it still has a plastic seal under that as well.
So unless I really open all of it and then leave it open, it's
going to be pretty smell proof. Well, even that though, I mean,
how many times do you get pulled over?
I mean, I know you're notorious of being able to have cops
around you, but just kidding. Luckily, it's something you're
used to. It's been.
I know. No, no.
I mean honestly, like he he just wrong time, wrong place.
For the dumbest things, when I'm like, I'm sorry, I was paying
attention. I saw you.
Were you paying attention? Because the thing you're saying
I've done like which is. Weird how many times you've been
pulled over. Very.
Often I, I the last time I was pulled over was because of
expired tags and that was like 17 years ago.
Like it's a, a rare occurrence. So, you know, if you don't want
to be suspicious, stop acting suspicious.
I mean it. It's just poor.
Paranoid, like that's the thing I realized and is a lot of.
It is in my. Head, 'cause I'd be like, oh
man, there's a cop and I'm like, but why?
Why am I feeling tense right now?
Because there's a cop. I haven't changed anything.
I'm doing. I'm still not speeding, I'm not
driving reckless. I'm still using my blink like
nothing has changed. Yeah, you know.
What that cop's thinking to stop, get milk and.
Wife said to. Get the the cereal kids like and
oh, I gotta gotta watch that show.
He's. He's not a.
Book em Dano give a hoot don't pollute kind of guy, right?
Yeah, he's. Not like, oh, there's a car.
There's a. Car What's that guy doing?
What that guy looking like? You know what?
There are those guys like I remember I went on ride alongs
like a long time ago and the guy was just like, he was like
everybody's license plate he came across.
He would run it and I'm like, and then he pulled over this
woman with a minivan with the panel side.
Remember the wood panel? It was awesome, beautiful.
And I think it was an Astro van and he, he pulls her over
because she didn't have insurance registered.
I don't know. It's like that's what he was
doing like he was looking for that.
Well, it's. Utah, we don't It was at the.
Time. I don't know if they do that
now, how long? Ago was that.
It was a long time ago. We do have more crime, I will
say that. But like realistically in
comparison, I feel like it's incredibly mild to many of the
other places that have gone around the world.
Nope. So so nice.
Like well. Well, part of it too is when you
you're paranoid when you're driving, so you drive more
erratic that you that you might otherwise drive because you're
paranoid and then. You're tense and your response
is going to be different. And I'm like, and so that's what
I have to remind myself is nothing's changed.
I don't need to stress out because now all of a sudden I
have noticed or I'm aware that there's a cop.
If I don't change or act any different, he's not going to
treat me any different. But that's the same thing I
noticed when going to the store or anywhere else.
And I'm like, I was doing that for the longest time and that
was my sudden light bulb moment of in my head thinking, Oh my
gosh, I am so high because I'm new to cannabis.
I'm out at the store and I'm walking around thinking people
are going to notice I'm high and I'm looking like genuinely
looking because I'm right here. Like I'm so present and I'm
like. That reminds me that these.
People are paying any attention and.
That that's might be part of the the paranoid stage you go
through when you you're on cannabis, you know, you until
that mellows out a little bit you, you feel that way, you
know, but it's. Nice to have a guide, right?
Wouldn't have been nice like that.
We we have I I was laughing because we have a good friend of
ours been at Maxwell and he came over a while ago and we were
going to record an episode and it never came to fruition.
We got way too elevated and we ended up just having this great
conversation and walking around in Smith's grocery for like an
hour and a half looking for snacks.
We just. Sat and smoked and didn't have
the mic set up and so we chatted for a long time.
It would have been a great convo, but we just nothing was
set up for it and we're like OK, all right, but it.
Was funny because we went through and he was like, man,
that was the craziest. He was really paranoid in the
store. He's like, people are going to
know like who cares? They don't care.
Most people are into themselves. They're not.
They're not going around going, you know what?
I'm going to look for sinners. I'm just going to find sinners.
How many? Meds are everyone on that.
They're from anxiety, stress, depression, even wake.
And bake. Like I used to feel bad with
wake and bake, but people take their medicine first thing in
the morning. They do.
Yep. Oh, wait, I'm I'm depressed.
I'm stressed. What do you do?
Well, you have to take it first thing or you have a gut.
Problem just like you know what what's going on like sometimes
early in the morning is when you get the most it's your stomach
just hurts where I mean your your guts hurt right?
And it's because of the digestive system, just like you
said it, it takes up so much energy, right?
And and pain itself extracts someone's energy from your
system. So when you lay in bed and you
feel nothing but pain in the morning, like the, the, the
sativa doesn't give you energy, but it can take the edge off of
the pain which allows you to have energy first thing in the
morning. So that's why early in the
morning, having just a hit or two of sativa gives me energy
well. And that and that brings me to a
good question. What's your regimen?
And and that's give or take if I take Sativa in the morning, it
depends on the morning, but every night I take about two
good hits. So I'm a lot, I would be a light
user in the evening. So and, and here's the
interesting thing I was thinking about this.
I went through an experimental stage when I have my card
because, you know, I have my card now I can try things on
there. I've been trying so both in
terms of method and different strains and I had my kids to
help me. So that was really good.
But and I went through that for about a year.
But then I and, and I, I think back to the episode that you
guys just did about 3 episodes ago about, I don't know, is it
re evaluating your use of cannabis?
Yeah. And I kind of went through a
stage of that also, I didn't just do that, but more before
this period, I went through the stage where I reevaluated my
muse and I thought I could continue to look for strains.
And that's exciting because there's such a big interesting
world. This is exactly what you guys
do. And it never ends.
And there's, and there's more strains every day and more
hybrids and, and, and more breeding is so interesting and
more methods. Or else I could do the opposite,
which is for my for pain and depression and sleep and nausea.
And I haven't talked about the medication I take for chemo and
the side effects of that and how cannabis helps that also.
Or else I could just narrow it down and go rather than having
open-ended kind of like what you guys do.
I have to kind of narrow it down for convenience and find out
what I need so I can just take it every night and get a
regimen, regular regimen. So that's what I've done
throughout the years. So I I I've ate mostly.
And have you found like the terpenes that work really well
with you but. That's why I'm always trying new
indicas and and that's usually what I work with right now.
OK, that's awesome. And mine was open for
suggestions and that's why I'm always listening to you guys.
We'll have. To have another chat about what
you're using and then we'll go find some comparisons that might
work really well. Yeah, to check out.
So one thing that's worked for me, especially for sleep lately,
is banana Dolce #10. OK, that's a, that's a Betty
brand. Yeah, it's Betty brand here.
Oh. What about white rents?
Is that a good it's it will like that would be a great end of the
night because it will like relax your say to them light runs,
white runs. Yeah, White runs.
It's it's another Betty one. It's really good, very frosty,
but it's. Do it at the end of the day,
Yeah, it'll slow you down. It'll.
And if you're a light user, go light I I did GHC.
Where's that? What?
Where's that on it's? Not super high.
The The thing is. And that's like like magic,
right? Magic is not a high.
It was like 8. 17 or 18% maybe with magic but it was 5% CBG.
And you would think that you're smoking hemp.
Same with. Valley Grass Valley girl here
you. Just highlighted that one is.
Is also a 5% CBG strain. Yeah.
And it's it's. So it is man, that's a great
headspace strain. You got some gunk in your head
and and you're having a difficult day.
Maybe you're even a little hard on yourself when you take that.
You just go, it's OK, I'm. Just worrying what or I'm not
what? I'm just curious, what made you
pick that? Because I think that you
highlighted that one last time, Jesse, didn't you?
Yeah, honestly. Yeah.
It was since we've been getting more in involved with a lot of
local cannabis companies. Dragonfly has been amazing to
us. And they recommended that.
Oh. Yeah, every time I go in like
I'm, I'm asking Dev like we know all the bud tenders and we we
just start chatting with them and we're just like, hey, what
do you, what do you recommend this time?
Because it's just there's a large variety, but there's not.
We visited their farm and we know that there's more coming,
but it magic was one of those that was just so amazing.
Hold on one second, Brandon. That is smoking.
No, I just blew a bit and it went down and popped up now.
That makes me look bad. Now I look high.
You have to leave this all in. That's hilarious.
What? What's the flower that you have
here? So I want to say it might be
magic up top. OK.
Good, because it kind of feels like magic.
I just, I just finished the rest of my magic.
No, no, no, didn't I? No, I don't know.
Shoot, I hope not because this magic was magic is is quite
amazing in that side of the pain relief, but also in it's not
such a strong sativa. But with Grass Valley girl, I
just checked it out. I look at the profile, look at
the percentage and I'm like, OK, well, what's gonna what?
I want to know what that's going to feel like.
And when we both had it, we were really surprised.
Oh my goodness. I don't know why we were
avoiding that one. The name it.
Just wasn't as appealing. Yeah, I mean, that was a good
pick. It it's usually like it it's a
it it's just a marketing thing, like the strain names, they're
all that's all garbage. Like they're just doing that to
be able to help differentiate. But it's just the profile of
terpenes and to CBDTHCTHCAI mean everything else comes into
factor of that, of what you're going to feel.
But yeah, Magic is one of the best Grass Valley girl.
That's just. Surprising.
Like another really good one, yeah.
I'm. I use that if I'm not really
excited about my wife. Like, I mean, she's a very clean
woman, very clean. Like our house is messy right
now. There's two bowls on the table,
maybe a cereal box. It's horrible.
Don't let anybody in here. People are going to sing a bomb
went off in here. But.
But when I use that, I am in like the happiest mood to do
anything she asks. She's just like, hey, can you
take off that door downstairs and all that?
Yeah, no problem. Just go down there, take it out.
What else you need. And she's like, no, I don't want
you to do anything else. I said it's not holding like
rent on you of like, I've done all these things now I need you
to pay me back. I was like, I'm just in a great
mood. And she goes, what are you using
us? It's Grass Valley girl and she.
Encourages more of it, yeah. I mean, she consumes too and,
and it's it was hard for her. Like when Brandon brought me
into the fold, I didn't tell her for a year.
I hid this little vape pen. It was those disposable ones
with the stylus on it. And I hid it in, in our storage
room in the, in the ceiling. Yeah.
And it was just, I would put it up there in a special spot every
time I mow the lawn. I'd, I'd smoke on that.
And she noticed it was different and I had stopped medications
that I'd been trying to get off for a while with that.
And then when I told her I don't take it anymore and she was
like, Oh no. And I'm like, no, no, you don't
understand. I've been off for like 2 months
and she's like what was? That an easy conversation for
you with Carmina like when you started using cannabis that.
That's a good question. She, she's from Mexico.
So they use histolic medicines and things like that and they
use, oh, what's it called? Well, plant based remedies.
So it's not uncommon and there's already a foundation for using
that. So it was not unusual for the
the idea. No, I don't think they use
cannabis, but her mother, especially if you go in in she
lives with us. So her apartment has lots of
herbs hanging and a lot just she does and she has a herb garden
as well. So it wasn't too unusual for her
to do that. So she was supportive overall
and she's supportive today. Were you?
Pretty open in your community, like with your Bishop when you
first started consuming. Yes.
And I've gotten, I've got no pushback whatsoever, but I
haven't gotten into detail. I've just said that I have a
cannabis card and he's OK with that with two patients.
I've told them that that that the the subject of vaping is
never come up or the. Method of consumption.
Well, it'd be like the same if they're asking you about your
bowel movements. Like that's kind of personal,
yeah. Right.
And, and what's funny is, you know, before it was 2016, the
position was even more liberal. It'd just be, I don't even think
they said it's between you and your Bishop.
They said it's a matter of personal conscience.
And that was it, you know, and that's even more liberal than
the position they have today. So if there's any question, I
defer back to that, you know, that's the the default position
of the church. So even in my own mind, if I
have any question, whether I use vape or not vape for this method
or that method, I just refer back to that.
And I don't resort to authority to ever.
Felt or worried about it to there's no.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's, it's you and your
body, you know, and, and I, I quite honestly like I, I will
say this like I, I tend to be able to dive more genuinely into
spiritual thoughts and processes when I use cannabis alongside
with it. It, it doesn't let the world
around me get into it. It just allows me to experience
it for myself and what it's important to me.
Yes. Yeah, thank you for sharing
that, Jesse. And yesterday I was in the
temple and I couldn't have been there without, you know, the use
of the of, of cannabis because I would have been in too much
pain. And I was going to go.
And then I changed my mind and I took some hits and I was fine.
It was a good experience. It was a spiritual experience.
It helps. You connect.
Absolutely and. Especially when you live in that
pain, it can take you. Like you said, it doesn't get
rid of it, but it takes that edge off of it to where you can
experience something. Yes, exactly.
Be there for that. Yeah, I'd.
Say pain is the most is the most defining trait of being human.
Because it's. Constant and when but when you
get something that goes above and beyond, like Brandon, I
always worry about him with his back and you know, I, I don't
give him crap about it. I'm like, oh, you're an old man.
Like no, his back's I mean his whole family's got a bunch of
bad backs. And so I know that, you know,
they're all a bunch of crooked sky spying people.
And but I, I know it's a lot of pain.
And when you have nothing but pain, you can't focus on
anything else but that pain. So you're tired, you're grumpy,
you don't have how can you? I know, I mean, it's to endure
to the end, but there's only so much I can take physically where
I cannot be spiritual at that point.
Is that does that make sense exactly?
Right, exactly. And and, and it, it puts you in
a lofty place anyway. So it's a place where you're
more inclined towards that. And so it, it, it, it does it's
very compatible and and the 2GO together very well.
So whenever I have to do anything church related, temple
related, having that is goes goes together very well.
Yeah, Well, I mean, there's I guarantee there's a bunch of
guys in there on Percocet and gabapentin.
Absolutely. And and they're just, you know,
they've unknowingly became an addict going well, you know, I
don't have a problem with it, but I've been taking it for four
years and I take it every day like you take hardcore narcotics
every day. Like, you know that they call
that right? The call that you know
addiction. Yeah.
They call that, I mean, dude, he's like that guy on Scarface,
Tony Montana, right? He's just like, he just does so
many drugs. He's just like, yeah, it's
Tuesday. I just do drugs all the time.
No, it's, it's interesting, you know, that you said that 'cause
it's so it's so hard for us anyways.
But when you're when you're able to kind of let go of that, like
I often think about like if half of these people in in our church
during, you know, a fast and testimony meeting, how many of
them would actually be a little bit more real up there if they
were on cannabis? Hey, man, I just love you.
Like, you know, there's just a sense of love with almost every
single person that uses cannabis.
Like they can look like, like Brandon and I were leaving this
event and there was this dude on the side of the road just
sparking up a joint and he's smoking it.
Yeah, his bowl. Ball sitting by a Bush on the
side of the road because we were leaving.
What? What?
Event was that you were leaving. It was.
The Dragonfly 420 event up in salt.
Lake the guy who? Just did the street like you
know, you really know cops are like whatever, but and I'm.
Hobbling by Jesse's carry in the box of stuff.
And I was like, MMM, what you smoking on?
And he's like, you want some? And my knee had just been acting
up and I was like, I don't know. And then like, yeah, yeah,
definitely. I don't know why I'm saying no.
He just like hands it right over beautiful community and that.
Was the best example. It is of.
How you can connect with just anybody.
And not only was this guy saying he wasn't like, pay, get out of
here. I mean, nobody does that with
alcohol. Hey, what you drinking on?
Would you like a sip? No one does that.
They'd be like, go buy your own. Yeah, exactly.
Right, but if they it's cannabis.
They just go hell, there's that. Interesting.
Yeah, that's all. And these were the people we
were taught to more or less avoid growing up.
You. Know, yeah.
And now as we get older and we're more experienced, these
are the kind of people we want to be around.
Yeah, because there's a sense of brotherhood and goodwill
connection. And just like, yeah.
No bad, no bad vibes. It it was.
Just so cool because, you know, Brandon's a example of, of, of
that. You know, I, I actually, because
of cannabis brought into my life, I've become more connected
to people and a more spiritual, My relationship to God and
Christ is stronger than it's ever been.
I'm not saying it's dependent upon it, but it makes it a lot
more sensitive and I'm more open to it.
And I'm not looking for fault in myself nor in, in anything else.
I'm just trying to be good. I'm just trying to be a good
human and sometimes I need help, no.
That's the perfect way to say I couldn't have said any better.
Yeah, yeah, it's nice to have a little bit of bud and and just
be chill so. As a father and like using
cannabis, have you found that that helps with like your
interactions with your kids? Have you ever used cannabis with
your kids? It's a again a good question,
not we. I don't do recreationally in the
sense I sit around with them. And and I.
I don't use flowers, so I don't sit around and smoke with them.
But so there's a lot of demarcation that we don't, it's
not intentional where we sit down and say you guys do it
recreational and I do it medically because what they
would tell you is it's all the same, no more or less.
And I think they're right. But they, I mean, they don't use
me as a supplier obviously, and they have their own.
Flags and so forth. But I won't say that that it
hasn't happened, but I more or less do it privately.
And they do, they have their own social groups and so forth.
So there's pretty much a line between, but only because the
methods are different. They they prefer not to use the
pan. And I've heard you guys refer to
as candy because it's just too easy to use and it's too
expensive to use. Did you go you burn through it
too quickly. So it's not there for, for, for,
for preferred use, and I don't. And I don't.
It's what it's. Fleeting.
It's so expensive. Yeah, yeah.
And that's why I just, you know, I I yeah, know exactly.
I that's why I didn't know that edibles are so great.
Tinctures. Have you used tinctures?
I love. Tinctures, yeah, but they take a
little time to prepare. And I, I think at one time we
talked about doing tinctures. Yeah, I'd like to take you up
on, on that. It will.
Make you a tincture anytime you want.
Yeah, it. Takes some skill to to to know
how to do that. Yeah.
And oh, he. Creates amazing ones.
He gave me this one. What was it?
Oh, you're talking about it was green?
Crack. No, it was green crack and
something else. Cam Dog.
So it was. Chem Dog and and green Crack and
he mixed them together. He called it green Dragon.
He put a it was on a bottle and he gave that to me and that
thing lasted forever. Yeah, because he's just making.
Large quantities too. Oh yeah.
I'm just this bottle, but I am, I'm like you.
I'm a light I I have the tolerance of a light consumer.
If I have a vape pen, I will use it throughout the day because
I'm constantly thinking and I'll just kind of I, I've just had
this oral fixation. So if I'm not chewing gum, I'll
be puffing on a pen and I'm like, oh, I gotta stop.
Well, then it. Comes down fast enough that you
kind of can with pens most of the time.
If you do use it that way and it just, yeah, I mean this one, I
opened this one the a day ago and I probably used 1/4 of a 2G
cart. So yeah, I mean, he's it.
It just varies from person to person.
And what we learned, you know, is that your body has so many,
your endocannabinoid system is full of cannabis up to a certain
point. And it says like, yeah, we're,
we're good on cannabinoids. Oh, well, your receptors you,
the more you consume and the longer you have consumed and
that the less CB1CB2 receptors you will have.
So the less high you will actually feel over time.
So if you want like for people who are like, man, I can't feel
high and that's what I'm looking for, they can take a tolerance
break and those receptors will come back over time.
And then that initial first couple would be like, Oh my
goodness, I'm really high if that's what they're looking for.
But again, most most people aren't looking just to be high
well and. And you're a great example of
that. Like you don't use copious
amounts, you just use enough for.
Two puffs in the evening, Yeah. Some in the morning if if it
needs be two puffs in the evening like that's pretty
great. And I I think a lot of people
feel that they are using too much.
Even if it was daily, that's not a lot.
No. It's it's micro amounts.
How many? Medications do we take every
day, I mean well and. Speaking of that, what
medications were you on? Well.
The biggest one is is opioids now and tramadol and I'm I'm off
that completely now. So I just and there were many
others I can't even remember now that I just no wonder take so
and with chemotherapy. I know we we hear a lot about
that. It helps with appetite and
nausea. Is there anything else it helps
out with well? Octreotide acetate is the big
one and there's another one called lanrealtide.
And for those with carcinoma tumor, those are the two and
those are those are shots. I get those every 24 days.
Nothing removes the cancer or nothing takes it away.
I'm in stage 4 cancer right now. So, and and incidentally, I
better go go back before I forget what I'm saying.
So remind me, I was just going to say the, the, the stage
system in in describing cancer, stage one, 2-3 and four don't
necessarily have reference to the time you have remaining.
Like, OK, tell me, doctor, how much time do I have left?
It's not that so much as it is the degree to which it can be
treated. So in my case where I have stage
4 cancer and, and incidentally, it does mean longevity as well,
but it also means that there's nothing that can treat it.
Chemotherapy or radiation can't treat it because of the specific
nature. So it has to run its course and
there's nothing that I can do to reverse the cancer.
It just slowly runs its course. But I'm towards the very end of
of that process right now. So, and stage 4 doesn't
necessarily mean with most people that they're going to die
right away. I've lived 15 years with this
cancer. But having said that, it could
mean that in my case, because I've I, because I have cancer,
I'll throw my body, my lungs, my especially when it hits an
organ. You can radiate an organ, you
know? Yeah, you'll.
Destroy it. And I have it in or, or, or
transplanted, but I have it in my liver, but I have it on both
lumps on both sides. So you, you can live with half a
liver. You can't live with no liver.
And you, it's difficult to, to replant a liver.
So, so it just runs this porous anyway that, that's just a
little side note now I told you to remind me what, what when I
was going with that. But, but I, I, I do remember you
were asking me earlier about my wife's take on, on her, her
support on that. I, I think she, she obviously
doesn't take it herself because there's no need for it.
But but she's gotten to the point kind of like you were
saying, Jesse, where if she wants something done, and I
don't explicitly say no, but she says, have you taken your
medication? No.
Well, maybe you should take it so we can get so we can get
something done around here. Because when I I get in that
zone, then I just, I get so fixated that I just do and do
and do and I'm thoughtless if I, it depends on what strain I'm
taking. But the, the time just goes and
I just get in that zone and I can go all day long on a project
if it's not a thought project. Yeah, I.
Can just go. On Forever SO.
Much can get accomplished so. Much can get accomplished, you
know, as long as I don't have to.
As long as you don't have the pain in that that keeps you from
doing it all. Yeah, you can do that.
Yeah, I. Tend to get more stuff done on
that one because I'm not thinking about what I'm getting
out of it or what I could be doing.
And that's typically what gets in the way is you're just like,
well, I don't want to do that because of and then you list
your complaints instead of, OK. Yes.
And and so so she's actually supportive that's.
Cool of of that. For that and and I'm less
irritable too. Well, you found.
That out too with your wife? Oh.
It yeah, I am way less irritable when I have cannabis in my
system 'cause there's there's times that it's like, yeah, I
just I need to go smoke. I need to go take a puff like I
am she's like, are you hurting? Yeah yeah, I'm, it's been a
minute like I'm hurting. Yeah, sorry.
Yeah, no. And I, and I'm, I mean, just
like Brandon, we're very open with their children.
And you know, it doesn't weird my kids out.
Mine either I, I. Go outside and you know, even my
8 year old, he's like, what's that?
And I told him he goes, Oh yeah, that's fine, 'cause my other
kids know they've they've known for a long time and, and.
They learn to look as something positive and something useful,
and they don't have that same stigma.
Yeah, we. Don't want to continue that
that's going to change the future with cannabis.
You know that's where we have to start.
You know we. Don't hide it when we take
ibuprofen or Tylenol or you know, Nyquil or something.
Like, why would we hide any other medication going, hey,
here's a tool that helps me to be the best version of me.
Why would I show you that this needs to be hidden or shameful
or like that maybe there might not be a value or use in your
life at some point when you're old enough.
Like why hide that? Why shame it, you know?
So I got to ask and and you can say, you know, I don't want to
go into that, but how does that has cannabis helped you a lot
with with your inner peace knowing that, you know, I mean,
you've lived 15 years with this and you know that eventually it
will it will come to an end and and probably sooner than later,
yeah. That's one of the things about
the carcinoid tumor is it's, it's lasts a long time.
It it's not an aggressive cancer in in in that it shuts.
Everything down. So when you, when you live a
long time with cancer, you tend to become very philosophical and
very thoughtful about life, very mindful, mindful about
relationships. And that's one of the biggest
blessings I've had about having cancer in general, especially
the cancer I have right now. So that and the combination of,
of, of marijuana just just put you in that state of mind.
So I read more, I'm more thoughtful, I'm more generous,
my relationships with people. I mean, I like to think I am.
I've been told that. So no, it's been a big help.
So it's, it's opened up a lot of new doors as far as being
thoughtful and generous to people.
I mean, I think this may be a better person.
Yeah, totally happen you. Feel like your cannabis use has
changed who you are as a person over the years in a in.
A beneficial way, there's no question.
And I suffered with depression. I didn't mention that at all.
We were talking about what was the term you used but like, oh.
We can bake. We can bake, Yeah, that's one
thing. In the morning.
That's when for me, depression hits first early thing in the
morning, and that immediately lifts that one in the morning.
And I don't do it every morning, but the days.
That it's harder, yeah, on. Days when it's harder, it gets
me out of bed, it gives me an appetite and it gets me going in
the morning. So absolutely, it's made me
better I. Mean, I think so many of us
struggle with depression and it's might not be an everyday
thing that it hits, but it is like, hey, some days are really
hard and it's like, I don't why you know, and you can if you can
have maybe it isn't an all the time thing, but maybe for you,
cannabis is just a depressive thing that's like, hey, this is
my my really hard day. Maybe I just need to pick me up
to bring me to where I feel I should be or like to a more
normal level. Because life is hard.
Life has amazing moments, but there's definitely some really
hard moments. Well, yeah, and and, but I think
everybody has that nowadays. And the reason why is we're so
starved for connection and we don't have the strong
relationships that we think we do.
And just like you stated, like I have more meaningful and deeper
connections with people when I have a little bit of cannabis in
my system because I'm not worried about what Jesse needs.
I want to learn about this person just because they're
another consciousness and they're experiencing life in a
completely different way than I am it.
That's why we're so fascinated with movies and shows because we
get in live vicariously through somebody else because we only
know how we've lived that thought totally not able to be
produced without cannabis. So it's like I, I don't think is
deep. I don't, I don't feel as
connected and when I do this I'm naturally pulled to people that.
Does it not deepen empathy totally other people entirely.
And you begin to see through the eyes of the other people and it
entirely takes the focus off yourself onto the other person
and you feel. So this is where the the, the
hippie language starts to kick in.
You feel one with the other person, but you, you do, you
feel a sense of unity with the other person to where you feel
bonded to the other person. And you get a group of people
like that and everyone feels the same vibe and you feel united as
one group. Yeah, again, this is where
language escapes us, but that's the feeling you have.
Community. Yeah, community.
It's for life of everyone's community.
Yeah, it's. Kind of funny too, you know,
when we talk about religion, what's the number one thing that
you know, we, we, we are trying to emanate, but we don't really
succeed in there. And that is to love one another.
It it's a saying it, it's like, you know, where's the beef with
that line in the 80s, you know, with, with the Wendy's, you
know, where's the beef that that it's nothing but A tag line.
And yet for them to be truly connected is to be vulnerable,
is to be open, is to be loving and empathetic.
And you feel that way on this. I just don't want to why would
you want to? And and the oneness thing, like
I really got into near death experiences, listened to this
one book, it, it brought me even closer to God.
But I'll tell you what it was the cool experience was the
exact same thing that we get to feel all the time and so many
people miss out on. And it's what Brandon and I feel
all the time. And I love this guy so much.
And it's oneness. That's what they would feel in
their Ndes. Like there was this bright
glowing love. And just like that dude on the
side of the street smoking a little pipe.
Yeah, he he did probably by far one of the most Christ like
things that anybody could do rather than the person who just
gives a dollar to some person on the side of the road.
Here you go. Like truly accepting them a part
of it. Like that's a that's a personal
thing, it. Is because he provided real
connection, Yeah, with with someone that he didn't know.
Instantaneously. Instantaneously you can't do.
That with a hot dog, Would you like a bite?
They're like, no, you wanna sit? My soda like yeah exactly for.
Verbatability. Speaking or a casserole, you
know what I mean? Yeah, or it's a.
Jello, Yeah. Green jello salad.
Frog Eye. Salad right.
Funeral. Salad.
Yeah. Funeral salad, yeah, no funeral
potatoes and. That's the thing, maybe you hit,
you hit it. That's the connection I've been
looking for as far as cannabis and Mormon culture.
See, to me, it's not how do I say this?
It's not truth claims that make me want to remain LDS.
It's the sense of community that that we.
Guess. And that's the strongest thing.
But when? When that sense of connection
happens, and I mean it really happens.
And. In more than the circles, and
I'm going on on on a limb here, but it doesn't happen very
often. But once in a while we get it
like in the elders quorum or inactivity.
That connection happens once in a while.
And when it does happen it it's really, really joyful.
And that's one good reason for nothing else.
It's not for truth playing because I've had my I've
wrestled to the Matta Church on LTGB issues.
My son, you know, he's a, a transgender and that nearly that
was 10 years ago and they nearly ripped the family apart.
It was a big, big, big deal for us as far as I didn't.
Realize it 10 years ago Yeah, Garmino was telling me about it
20. ¥15.00 because my. Oldest is transgender, yeah.
So, so you, you, you get a sense of exactly what that was like.
And, and there was no compromise on the church in that position
that split the church apart. So we had to figure out where we
all stood on that and we, we got through that, that period
anyway. So my point was, is that I, I've
had to wrestle with the church on a lot of issues, not just
cannabis, but it's a value to me to hold the recommend.
But how does one hold? Again, we're talking to a
broader audience here. So we have to translate this a
little, a little bit, but a temple recommend card, and
that's what we use to go through the Mormon temples in one pocket
and in cannabis card in the other pocket and hold integrity
with both. It's possible, but some people
find it difficult to do. But there's ways to do it that
involves knowing how to do it. And that's what I'd like to do
is explore more and help people know how to do that.
But that involves me going back into my own store and figuring,
figuring how I did it. But I was one of the first to do
it. You know, I was one of the first
people to get a card when they became legal.
So in the future, I'd like to help people do that well.
You know the best way and and and I'm sorry, Brandon, I cut
you off there. Go ahead.
Is projection is perception. And and what I mean by that is,
is that I'm a good person. I'm a loving person.
I consider my I, I'm, I'm a religious person of Christ and
that's all I need to have. And when I project that out, I'm
not what I consume. You are not what you eat, right?
You are not what you smoke or or drink or or whatever it is.
I am me and this is part of me and this helps me to do that.
I think the only thing that would do what, what we should be
afraid of is that more people are gonna want to take your time
and ask you more questions and smoke a bowl with you.
Other than, you know, 'cause that's, I had that happen a
couple of awards ago. Like got five other elders
reactivated and they were at my house smoking with me.
And they're like, man, you know, I didn't know it would be this
way. And the unfortunate thing is
because I left, they all left too.
They're like, oh, I'm gonna hang my hat there.
And it's, it's the community that they wanted that they
weren't getting. And and if and if we're gonna be
so bold to be able to use that, then we need to be that example.
Exactly right. I think you stayed that well.
Yeah, like you. Said that community that you
built, how many more meaningful conversations would happen in
every religion if they were utilizing probably the cannabis
in small doses and stuff where they're having these more
present connected thoughts and conversations and, and building
the community. You know, I couldn't tell you
how many times I was in elders quorum growing up in that and
everyone's on their phone or their head is on the chair in
front of them. How many people wake up from
sacrament with the mark of the beast on their forehead?
But. You know, rather.
Than be did I interrupt? No.
No, but. Rather than.
Be on your on your phone or or Daydream, you know, elders
quorum, doing whatever you're doing.
The tendency, as we all know when when you're high, is to
talk and talk and talk and keep talking, you know, and that's
what you want. Everyone is talking and
connecting. You're not doing that in elder
score. No, you're, you're.
Trying to do everything you can to get your mind off what's
occurring in front of you. So no, exactly right.
Kind of kind of on a a semi related note there I was reading
an an interview with about well with Billy Billy Joel the
musician. And they?
Were asking me if he gets high during his performances.
He said no. No, he says.
I used to, he said, but my tendency was just to talk during
the show and talk and talk and talk said and I never, the show
never went on because that's all I did is talk.
And then said I wait till after the show and he would do it.
Yeah, then he would. Then he would talk to the
audience because all he wanted to do is just talk, you know, as
you know. That's awesome.
I thought that was funny. That's.
Hilarious. I'm.
A huge Billy Joel fan I grew up listening to.
I remember I saw the River of Dreams Tory came through here.
That makes a lot of sense now, 'cause he just was a chatterbox.
But you know what that's what we wanted too.
Exactly then that we want to know more about people.
I I want to know more about I, I learned new stuff about Brandon
all the time. That's.
True. We've been friends for well over
a decade and all the time it's like, I didn't know that.
Yeah, we. Talk every day and we get off
the phone. You know, it's surprising.
You know, I started with Brandon, 'cause I had this
during the pandemic or, you know, I, I was just, it was
before that time, I just had this inclination that I need to
tell them I love them. And, and with men, especially at
that time, I mean, you didn't have any friends.
Friends don't just tell each other.
They love each other And, and they should.
And, and when I, when I did that, like ever since then, like
he, he responded back right away.
And every time we get off the phone, Oh, I.
Love you bro. Yeah, I love you bro.
Every. Single time people give me
weird. Looks if I'm on my air pods and
I'm walking over to say hey love you bro, I'm at the gym.
Love you bro, love you man my. Girlfriend and my kids give me
crap because it's constantly like oh is that your boyfriend?
Because we talk every day, we tell each other we love each
other all the time, like, but they just give you crap.
I'm I'm just guessing, but like, like other things don't do that,
like alcohol when I'm guessing when no, don't, doesn't do that.
No, but there's something about being elevated that that brings
out the best from you, and that altruism just comes through
like. Effortlessly, effortlessly.
You know, I say that to elders quorum.
A lot of times I'll tell guys I'm like, hey, 'cause I now
we're at this one where each one of these guys like, and there's
a lot of them in there. Each one gets to teach on a
Sunday and I'm like, oh, that's not fair to us.
Because there's a guy up there. He's like, clearly I am not OK
with this. This is making me very nervous.
Shouldn't be forced upon exercise the traits of somebody
who's willing to do that. When I did it over there, I was
telling guys I love you. I made six dudes really
uncomfortable. This guy was like, I saved that
word for people I love. And I'm like, right.
So if Christ was here right now, would you not say I love you to
him? Of course I would.
Well then say it to me because we are supposed to be as as who?
And he goes, well, yeah. And I'm like, but you still
can't let go of that. And that's OK, That's cool.
And he's like, no. And then he came up to me after
and he was not, he wasn't happy about it.
He was just like, hey, yeah, I didn't really didn't like that
question. I'm like I said, well, tough
shit. Too close to home.
He was like, I didn't think I, I'm not OK thinking about that.
And like, well, Christ, like love is a hard thing to come by,
I guess. Yeah, I mean, I told him, I
said, you know, you dickheads need to be able to tell each
other you love each other. Aren't we supposed to serve one
another and care about one another?
What's one of the of your? Neighbor as yourself, the two.
So are you not, do you not love yourself or do you not love your
neighbor? Like, yeah.
That's right it. It breaks down all those
inhibitions that we have and all those stereotypes and stigmas
about male stigmas that we have with each other.
It breaks all those down so we can just be ourselves.
Which? Is funny.
I mean, I got I, I got a guy here that is, he's just, he's a
devoted person to his consciousness and other
consciousness. Is that not the same?
And the other part is, is that,
you know, what is it the two most important commandments,
right? We got over there, love that,
love God and no other before him, right?
And then love thy neighbor. And what do those both do?
They set you up for service of others because that's the most
fulfilling, right? Right.
Seriously. It's like, you know, we were
joking around about even cannabis over there.
I would not. I mean, if somebody came over to
you going, hey, can I have like 1/4 of your pizza?
You you'd be reluctant, Yeah. But if somebody asked you, hey,
can I have some of your cannabis?
I wouldn't. No.
Yeah. Not even a hesitation, Yeah.
Like if I'm sitting down eating a steak and someone walks up
some random dude is like can I have a bite of that be like no,
but now. I, I kind of, I, I don't know,
I, I almost now would like, you know, and be like, yeah, it.
Seems weird, like you'd have to probably think about it, but
like, if I'm puffing on a pen or a joint or a vaporizer and
someone's like, can I have a hit?
Hell yeah, man. You want to?
Let's have a sash like you want them to.
Have the same experience that you're having and and part of
this is you, you want to feel united to them and you want to
connect with them. And if.
OK, so I'm feeling happy, I'm feeling less pain.
I'm feeling, you know, close, connected.
I met this new person. What?
Why wouldn't I want them to feel that?
And if they're OK with this, why wouldn't I?
Yeah, here. Why not?
I have this. I'm not hoarding it.
Like there's not enough to go around.
Like you can't be happy too. Like it doesn't matter.
It's like. Sharing love, you know, that's
why that guy was upset with it, because, you know, I wasn't, I
wasn't brought up in a home where I heard my parents tell me
they love me all the time, you know, and, and my mom listens to
the show and she's going to be frustrated with this part.
But you know it, it wasn't said all the time, nor could they.
I was a latchkey kid. I was too.
You know, my parents both worked I during the summers was I saw
my parents when they came home after 5 that was it.
And it was dinner a little bit of time go to bed like I rarely
saw my parents and they did everything for us.
But at the same time, I never got that.
But in my home, I love you is is so common everything that's all
I my kids know that all the time and they say I love you to us
all the time. To teach them that way.
It's it's funny, it becomes. The culture of the home it
really. Does like, will my kids use
cannabis? Probably.
And I'm fine with that. It's not it, it, you know, if
you know, my son has already experimented quite a bit on his
own and unfortunately as around other stupid kids and so, but
it, it's good, 'cause we had the connection.
I told Bran about it and he called me up and he's just like,
dad, I'm not OK. And I'm at school.
I'm like, where are you? And he goes, I'm, I'm in my
class. I'm like, all right, I'll meet
you at the front. But you see, Jesse, if it wasn't
all those talks about normal, or I mean those times of normalcy
where you talked about it openly, he wouldn't have picked
up the phone and called you like that.
No, that wouldn't have been possible.
He wouldn't. Have felt safe enough to do it.
Felt safe. Oh, yeah.
And there's no way. Like I remember getting drunk in
high school and I'm like, there's I was like, call your
dad. No, I don't want my ass beat.
And I was just like, I'm just going to have to struggle with
it. But shouldn't we be able to turn
to those that care for us, right?
I know Brandon Brandon's done that so many times for his
daughters. I mean, he's unfortunately got
that where his wife is. His ex-wife is, is clear across
the country. And yet he will drop anything if
something was going on, which has happened.
He was just like looking for a flight.
I gotta get down there, you know?
And it's because he's been able to give that love so much to his
daughters. And that's what he can give to
everybody else. And it's it's cool.
So it's the fun thing about it is, is that, you know, when
we've talked about, you know, have, you know, being Christians
ourselves and that Brandon chooses not to do that.
It doesn't matter. We're all the same.
And because we're joined by love and and affection towards other
people, it it takes nothing away.
Like, I don't think I'm better than Brandon.
Brandon thinks he's better than me sometimes, yeah.
But that's only 'cause I'm like, a little taller.
Just kidding. No, but.
I mean, it's that's why our relationship has has been able
to last so long. Have we had differences?
Sure, but they're squashed pretty quickly because we love
each other. I'm.
Just true. It's like like when you guys
call each other. Did you mention this earlier
when you were talking? Did you like to talk to each
other? But when, when you're high and
you connect, don't you have life moments where you you connect
like you have a philosophical idea and all of a sudden, but
you, you think you're you, you're the only one that's had
this idea and then you share it with him.
You're thinking, I've always thought that, but you're the
only one that thought. You thought that you're the only
one in the whole universe who who's never had that thought and
all. And you thought the same thing.
You thought you were doing one that had that thought and you
share it together and you thought and also you connect
with each other and you're like, wow.
But I don't know what it is. And maybe, yeah, I'm just sure
it's all scientific, but it accesses areas of your brain
where you have these interesting thoughts, but they come and go
in a flash. Yeah, but.
And they're usually, in my experience, in the very
beginning, and then they go again.
But if you have someone to share with, it's really cool, you know
what I'm saying? Totally.
Yeah, the best. Conversations come, I think,
when we're both elevated. Yeah, we'll.
Talk for hours. We went down to yeah, we will.
Sometimes our conversation is like an hour and that's pretty
normal. But if we're both high, if we're
both elevated, it'll go for hours.
And yeah, we. Drove down to Vegas and the.
Entire time we were puffing on different pens, vaporizers and
stuff and it felt. Like no time at all it was.
No time and we had these amazing conversations and we're like
yeah man, we, we've never done this.
We've never gone on or I guess it had been ages 'cause the last
time we had gone on that. Yeah, we.
Went to, was to to dinosaur. Dinosaur.
Colorado, yeah, but that has been years and so we're like
man, this has been years since we've actually just like hung
out this close without it cuz the last 2-3 years when we hang
out and smoke and do that, it's usually recording yeah, so.
Yeah, we rarely can get together and just differences of time and
all that distance. But at the same time though,
like when we did that, like it just went so long and just like
you met like it's, it's almost like women in their periods
syncing up, right? Like you sync up with another
Cannada boy, Cannada boy Cannaboy, right?
We'll just call it that, right. I, I was gonna say cannabinoid
and you know, you got that cannabinoid.
In fact, you you sync up with somebody, you know when somebody
else's uses, right, cough a certain question or a tone and
you'll be like, hey, what, what's strange?
Like I was at a Walgreens and I just bought a battery and I had
this lanyard over there and it says the cannabis, which is no
longer around, but this is the cannabis.
And she goes, do you use? And that was so crazy.
I didn't know this girl, she's from LA, just got a job here.
She didn't look like she's very happy to be there.
I said, yeah, what's your favorite strain?
First question. She goes, oh, that's a good
question. And then she told me which one
it was. And I told her what I what I'm
using currently. And she was like, oh, cool, I'm
gonna write that down like it was.
So I don't know this person. I can't, I mean, I will, I'll
randomly strike up conversation with anybody.
But it, it was struck up by them because we knew.
We just knew. It's just a little sign you're
going, hey. It happens all the time.
I usually notice it's when I'm wearing like a cannabis school
shirt or something that someone will approach me and then we'll
just have this whole conversation about cannabis like
you've been friends. Forever, Yeah, and I'm.
Like, oh cool, like person in the gym, Oh cool, well, good to
meet you. And that happens all the time.
But it's just because there's this instant connection of like,
hey, I use cannabis too and that's it.
And it, I mean, but that's it doesn't matter where you are
around the world. I feel like that.
But but even that little information, there's a
connection which is beyond your regular connection when you meet
people and find oh you, you're a mistake.
But when you find out that you both have used cannabis, there's
a connection there. I think it's because you maybe
have like, you understand the same altered state and people
chase altered states or altered traits often.
And if you find a person who understands or is on that same
understanding of like, hey, I know that this gives me benefit.
Like you said, it's made you a better person.
I know that I am much better of a person, way less of an asshole
than I was. This is true 10 years ago.
Yeah, exactly. And I know like a lot of that
comes from the introspection that has come through cannabis.
Yeah, I, this has been amazing. And you know, I really
appreciate your openness during this.
This has been tremendous. And I, I would dare to say
'cause I know there's a lot of LDS people that listen to this
as well, start being that example.
It's OK. It's, it's it, it's something
that'll help you to be more connected.
So if you've been thinking about it, go ahead.
And if you don't want to use it, no peer pressure.
Like literally I don't know anybody who pushes cannabis like
you should buy some. You should try.
I mean, I tell people like. McDonald's is more of a drug
pusher, I think I'm. Yeah, I think I'm way more
skeptical with people because I'm like maybe but like maybe
you should try it. But I want to understand
everything they're going through and that to go, OK, well, maybe
maybe try this dose try this thing, do this like well and.
A lot of that came from the experience you have with your
brother too 'cause I know you've been very grandma.
And my sister-in-law, like, there's all of these experiences
over the years with like, introducing people to cannabis,
showing them what that looks like and just seeing the
difference even in dosing, like small dosing, yeah.
We would never do that kind of dose and it would be like, you
know, but even you like taking a couple hits from the pen, like
even for them, that's a lot and and they don't realize that's
why you got to respect it. But it's such AI don't know.
It's it's refreshing. And I'm I, I was, I didn't know
if you were going to, you were going to be open enough to be on
it. But Brandon's like, dude, we got
him. I'm like, sweet.
I can't, I can't wait for this conversation.
Yeah. Well, thank you so much.
I and I, you know, I think there's a bright horizon ahead.
I was just hearing about in Maryland, they commute, not
commuted. I don't know the right word, but
the governor I want. Oh, they got rid of a lot of
convictions for cannabis and they, yeah, what's the term?
They wiped them out or whatever overturned. 175,000 what?
Yeah, 175,000 just wiped them out completely.
Cannabis convictions, yeah. Convictions because they they
had legalized cannabis and so you, you can't have 175,000 in
jail and legalize it. Yeah, you see what I'm saying?
For the same thing, for the same thing.
So which is, I mean, it's, I know it's medical here, but I
actually have heard that there are people who have gotten
arrested here still within that, not for like moving large
amounts and stuff, or one person who was medical who tried to
grow his own here and got arrested just for medical.
And I'm like, I, I feel like it's tough because there's
recent things that have happened.
Like I, I read a thing that was in LA high Times and it was
talking about carts and issues with carts because they tested
48 companies out in California and out of those 48, it was in
the mid to high 20s of those companies had heavy metals and
pesticides that should not have been in there that weren't on
their Co as Stizzy was in there too.
One of them, Not all of Stizzy's, but just one.
Not one surprised me. Well.
And it'd be as that's kind of why I've really liked this state
because of that. I mean, it's that's.
Why? I thought home grown allowing
someone to be able to cultivate their own medicine removes.
It. Was here in the original Prop 2
if you live more than 100 miles away, but they removed that in
the HB1O2 so that's not in right now.
So yeah, that that was something that initially I was like, oh,
that'd be cool, but I don't live anywhere near 100 miles away
from a pharmacy. So yeah, but you.
Think about those people down South.
Yes, 'cause there's there's no pharmacies out there for them.
Or Far East, like they don't have the ability to be able to
go, hey, let's take three hours, let's drive their dispensary and
then go back home. But that's.
Pure Utah is the closest one they have going north.
Pure Utah. They have to go out of state but
there's no way they have to travel 3 hours.
So then. They're either driving to like
Nevada or dragon or not dragonfly dinosaur because
they're like OK, well, this is closer right They.
Gotta go through Vernal but then.
They're out and you're looking at it and you go to these every
time we go to them, these dispensaries across the border,
every plate is Utah. And you're like, so how many
client like how much business does Utah lose because of their
margins, because of their like restrictions that they have on
the amount of pharmacies we can have on placement of them?
Because if you look at it, they're literally all up and
down I-15 down the center of Utah, that's it.
And in the main populated areas, but.
It's also like when you look at that, like how many people, I
mean, clearly there's a demand, right?
That's why I mean, the church had to finally go, all right,
fine, because there was so much demand.
They're like, hey, we really want this.
And they took everything as far as anecdotal, like, oh, that's
anecdotal. You know, we have our we have
our own people that medically we talk to like, yeah, well,
they're all biased. And so it's just being open
minded. But yeah, I mean, that's one of
the things that I really like. Brandon, you were, you were
bringing up. I'm, I'm, I've never been, I've
always been wary of carts unless they come from a very reputable
area. And that's one of the things
that I've really enjoyed about the cannabis that we've consumed
here. Utah.
It's been great, very strict. Yeah.
I mean, at first it was. I've been.
Disappointed. I did notice Highlight brand has
a synthesized cannabinoid that they put in their cart.
Highlight. OK, highlight.
So this is just my, I would stay away from them because any brand
who's putting in synthesized cannabinoids here means it's not
a real naturally like they had to make that well.
I mean, Florida's making some changes and some waves right now
as far as reclassification of the farm bill because there's
that's actually. Going through I know you're,
they don't. I don't know it it just started,
it just started. But we'll, the whole nation, as
far as cannabis is concerned, is watching this pretty closely
because it would it would get rid of D8D8 would be illegal.
D9 THC from hemp THCA What would that.
Do to all the drink the problem. With THC, the problem with THCA
is technically, and this is what we've talked about before is
it's literally the only difference between ACOA because
the product in California, the product here, the product
anywhere is technically THCA until you activate it and then
it's THC. So everyone is selling THCA
whether it's branded THCA or it's branded D9 THC.
So they're still selling that same product.
So even if they get rid of that, that doesn't work because
technically the legal COA that should be going out and if they
technically label it with the correct compounds, they would
all be THCA well. And it, it, I think the big
thing is, is that they're trying to make sure 'cause there's a
lot of shady companies out there that are creating these
products. It's the same thing with the
psilocybin gummies. Yeah, the psilocybin gummies are
made with the there was. It.
It doesn't have actual physical mushrooms in there, One of them
was. Found with D8 in it.
Yeah, yeah, there was a, I write an article, it talked about
there was like 4 or 8 counts of seizures that had happened from
these microdosing mushroom gummies because they had D8 and
all this other crap in it and weren't actually just mushroom
microdosing gummies. Well.
And and I think that the the bill is possibly the intent is,
I don't know 100%, but possibly the intent is to being able to
go OK, we'll fine if cannabis now is a schedule 3, then these
other ones have to go is that. What they're saying that?
That's what I'm thinking based off of what I've read and and
then and different talking heads, because if, if that was
so, because I do believe in Brandon believes the same thing
is that these synthetic cannabinoids are not good for
you. They're not good for you at all.
It's so bad it it's like eating 3D printed meat to me.
It's like that shouldn't happen and that's gross and that's how
we feel about Delta. Hey, it's disgusting.
But if you don't know, you don't know.
So you think that's the way it's supposed to feel.
So if by doing that one, they would get rid of all these
companies. We know a lot of like D9
companies that create drinks and and they're.
Hemp derived, Yeah. They're hemp derived, but I
think this is what they're going after.
It's like, fine, if this is gonna be legalized in one sense
or another, then it's gonna be legalized and all these other
synthetic ones need to go away. And a lot of people aren't
taking it that way. And I understand, 'cause they
built their livelihood on this. They have companies, they they
products that they've invested into.
It would take a while for it to be established 'cause they would
give me money if it goes, if it's.
Classified as class three, that would happen regardless.
Or do you think no I? Think it's just proposed because
I we're at a crossroads with this right now.
Nobody knows what to do with it be they should just
decriminalize it. But then what would that do?
What would? That do there would.
Be a massive fallout too. Financially, societally change.
A lot of stuff, yeah, yeah. It'd be really different, like,
you know, if it wasn't illegal, then people be growing these
plants everywhere. You could grow it at home, but
then it takes away, I don't know, it's kind of like
vegetables. If vegetables can be grown
everywhere, how many people grow them at home?
How many people go to the store to buy them?
Yeah, but how many people are actually good about what they're
doing? How many people take shortcuts
well that they they don't mean on their tomatoes?
Well, as long as there's. Regulation though, so it becomes
the same as like, well, who? Who manages that that well then?
Who? Regulates that we have to put.
So much in place that it it. Just becomes a slippery slope.
Either way you go, it's gonna suck either way.
That's the way I look at it. And I'm just like, OK, fine.
You know, it's, it's like tearing off a Band-Aid.
This, this shit's gonna hurt, but I'm gonna do it anyway.
It's gonna get it off. I'll.
I'll deal with the pain. We'll be fine.
It was the same thing like when the bill was passed.
It was like ridiculous blister packs for an hour.
Like for what? And it.
Was literally a gram in each blister pack and you let the
crap it was. Hard enough and when you go
outside of the state you could smell it.
They'll let you smell it now. Nope.
Yeah, that was ridiculous. You should do.
Scratch and sniff, right? Right, just go over.
There you just scratch it going, oh, that's nice.
Just good, good good, good terpenes over there.
This is really frosty, isn't it? I mean, it smells.
Like frosty nugs? Everybody would have those
stickers right here. All right.
I'm ready to go about that. My my wife thinks the smell is
awful, but that's okay. Yeah, it takes a while to be
accustomed to it. Hey, we appreciate you so much
over here. Our our audience.
I know that they're going to love this interview.
This is fantastic. Well, thank.
You so much, Jesse. Thank you, Brad.
Thanks. For coming on the show, it's
been really. Good to be here, really good to
visit with you. It's good to finally get
together like this. It's been a while, so thank you
both. Wonderful.
Conversation. Yeah.
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