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I'm Brandon. 
And I'm Jesse we're. 

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Cannabis school having cannabis 
infused conversations. 

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With everyday. 
People. 

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Cannabis companies. 
Celebrities. 

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And your mom? 
Welcome to the Sash. 

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Welcome back. 
Thanks for tuning in. 

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Yeah, today we've actually got 
my neighbor Barry Height. 

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Hello, good to be here. 
Yeah, it's great. 

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I I'm really, I mean, he's, he's
a local boy here from Utah. 

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How old are you? 
I have different 59. 59. 

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Oh awesome, you're just a year 
younger than my dad. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
Yeah, you're. 

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Just a kid to my dad. 
That's true. 

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Well, that makes you feel a 
little better. 

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Yeah, it should, right? 
It is the only time I feel like 

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I, I can be young when I'm 
working with the individuals 

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who's in business and they're 
like 25 and 35. 

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I'm like, oh, this is great. 
There's all these young people 

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around me. 
And I'm saying young people. 

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And if I say to my kids, like, 
yeah, the guy's 35, they'd be 

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like, oh, he's old, yeah. 
It's like it's all relative. 

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A year younger than me, yeah. 
And it's still pretty old I feel

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like. 
So we brought you on because you

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have a unique story. 
So kind of go into that. 

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You are a cannabis consumer, 
right? 

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How long have you been a 
cannabis consumer? 

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About five or six years and. 
Why? 

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I have, I have cancer. 
So I have a carcinoid tumor, 

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which is kind of a slow growing 
tumor, but I've had it now for 

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about 15 years and which is both
good and bad. 

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I mean, it's good if it's not an
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tumor at the time. 
Obviously it's, it's, it's not 

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good if it's a painful cancer 
and and it hasn't been up to 

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this point. 
But during the last three or 

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four years, during may surgeries
I've had and post surgeries, 

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cannabis use has been very, very
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overcome the, a lot of the, the 
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problems I've been having with 
hot flashes and with exhaustive 

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intestinal problems and things 
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Cannabis has been really, really
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But it was, I was stubborn for a
long time. 

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My, my kids helped me through 
that process also. 

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And I spent years telling them 
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cannabis. 
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ironically, that helped me get. 
Involved in cannabis? 

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Involved and that, that's kind 
of story. 

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I don't know how much you wanted
me to go. 

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Into that. 
Dude, it's yours. 

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Yeah, we'd love to hear it. 
Yeah. 

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Well, I, I have 4 kids, they're 
all adult kids. 

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They're out of the house now, 
but it was my youngest child. 

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He's 23 now and at the time, 
well, I maybe I better go back 

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just a little bit and talk about
how, how we, I got involved and 

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where I needed the help. 
I had a lot of pulse surgeries 

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and I had one in particular. 
And I don't, I won't go into the

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medical history because it's 
just kind of involved and 

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boring. 
But I had a resection, a bowel 

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resection. 
And that's where I, I had a, a 

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tumor in the bowel and they had 
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obstructing. 
So I had that. 

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And then the, on the second day 
recovery, it burst. 

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And so I don't know if you can 
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bowel they they put together and
then it it burst inside the, you

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know. 
Where is that colon? 

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The the the. 
Bowel in the bowel. 

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Yeah, using the bowel, the bowel
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So you have the colon and then 
you have the, the, the bow which

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attaches. 
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had toxemia and, and which is 
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Now that's not a common thing, 
but boy, when you have it, it's 

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life threatening. 
So yeah, I was in the hospital 

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for about a month and a half and
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months. 
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horrible, horrible experience. 
That sounds hard. 

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Yeah, it was really tough. 
And at that time, I wasn't on on

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cannabis and. 
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that? 
20. 15 years ago. 

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No, that was about five years 
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It was 2015 when I was 
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I had a surgery where they took 
about 14 inches of intestine and

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it's just, it's the intestine 
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lot of the nutrients in the 
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So if you have intestine 
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2005 and then later, I'm jumping
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you have all that intestine and 
bowel removed, then you don't 

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have what it takes to absorb 
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So you're weak a lot. 
So one that the problem has just

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been tired all the time because 
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intestine and the bowel which 
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So I was just tired a lot. 
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mention also that I have 
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Have you heard of that? 
I'm familiar with that. 

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You you know what a a 
colonoscopy bag is when you wear

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it right here, that that's what 
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Oh, an ostomy bag. 
Ostomy bag. 

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So yeah, my uncle yesterday, 
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found out he had colon cancer. 
And yesterday he was in surgery 

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getting it removed. 
But it actually went well enough

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that he doesn't need the ostomy 
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Like they were able to reattach 
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To to retach it. 
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But did he have it at one point 
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Or did they just decide that 
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They just removed it all. 
Like you mean almost all? 

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Colon Yeah, yeah. 
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but I just barely learned about 
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don't, I don't know what that 
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My cousin was telling me, yeah, 
it's. 

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True. 
It. 

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It's really interesting. 
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And, and a lot of people, I, I 
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So I wore a, a bag. 
For nine months, yeah. 

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And it was determined, I think 
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months, there's discussion that 
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they can reattach it and, but 
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complications because you're 
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vowel, you know, and, and do you
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Because you're, you know, 
there's obviously complications 

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in digesting and things like 
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So you're attaching it to a 
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Or you could just go on your 
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Yeah, bad. 
And people live fine. 

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I mean they live really good 
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There's nothing wrong with that,
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And if it's all the same, I 
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So about nine months later is 
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that time that I became more 
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I became more familiar with it 
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So they were able to reattach 
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with digestion because I had the
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digestion and sleep and all the 
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that. 
But Dawson, who, who he goes by,

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he he's, he's, he was about 18 
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time. 
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of this and I told him it wasn't
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same, he, he'd be just as well 
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And so I was a, a, a good LDS 
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And he was saying you'd be 
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do it. 
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During this time, I had to work 
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But I I had just come in from 
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just exhausted. 
I laid down and he said, Dad, 

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would you want a brownie? 
I just made brownies. 

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Well, I have to be brownies, of 
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And so and. 
That should have been a, a dead 

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giveaway there. 
I said sure, I'll have one. 

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But he, he, that's all he said. 
You know, that was the best 

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brownie I think I've ever, ever 
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But I couldn't imagine. 
I was just lay. 

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I was so relaxed for about two 
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Just after that I just laid 
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That was probably the first time
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or. 
Something I was, I, I was paying

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free compared to anything I felt
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And it was just so relaxed. 
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out later, you know, he 
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But, and it was wonderful. 
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didn't need any more to convince
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Then edibles became the, the, 
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I didn't have a car then. 
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just a matter of knowing how to 
get the card and I, I probably 

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think I'm talking too much all 
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Time No. 
Dude, no. 

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It's a great story. 
Keep going. 

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Don't even worry about it. 
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the legislative action was 
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They'd had many attempts at 
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know, to, I think Prop two was 
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the time. 
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get signatures to, to have that 
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success. 
Only to have it pass and then 

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have it be completely wiped away
and have the what was then the 

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Elias Church's version of it, 
which was their compromise bill,

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which became the. 
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now I. 
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the Utah Medical. 
Cannabis. 

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Oh yeah, U. 
MCAI feel a song coming on 

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UUMCAUMCA. 
That's how I but that's how I 

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remember it, you know? 
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And and it wasn't a great, it 
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legislation, but a lot was taken
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A lot was added to it later in 
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And it's much better today. 
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So I was able to get my card and
I was, I don't know where I was,

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but I had to be among the first 
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Utah. 
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know a lot in the audience might
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cancer. 
You know how I'm sure that was 

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an easy thing for him. 
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lend themselves to getting a 
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concerned, in my case, were the 
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disease. 
And, and they involved the 

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intestine and, and they're 
painful and they're just 

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discomforting and all that. 
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is one of the the conditions 
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medical card now too. 
So I, I think my conditions with

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cancer, with intestinal cancer 
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disease. 
I think that's the best way I 

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could describe it. 
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Got to be really tough. 
So cannabis helps a lot with the

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inflammation and like, the 
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A lot, a lot of that right now, 
a lot of the long term effects 

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of cancer, which is well, number
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digestion. 
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analogy, but if if for example, 
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the other foot does more of the 
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foot. 
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1/3 of an intestine, what's left
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entire intestine itself. 
So at the end of the day, you 

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know, digesting the food I need 
to digest it's. 

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Just exhausting. 
Takes a lot of energy to do the 

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same work. 
It would, yes. 

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Exactly. 
So it's, it's, it's, I think 

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exhausting is the best word. 
So it takes away a lot of the, 

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the discomfort. 
It doesn't take away the pain, 

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but it takes the air drop the 
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That and gabapentin. 
So no opioids anymore like I 

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once had. 
That's the other big benefit. 

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Plus it alleviates the pain and 
it helps me to sleep. 

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So I take about two good hits 
every night of a, a, a good 

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indica and that just relaxes me 
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away the pain. 
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Do edibles much now? 
No, but I'd like to. 

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I'd like to get back into 
edibles again, OK? 

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Yeah, they can definitely long 
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the cartridge or something where
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especially for like a Crohn's 
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by Betty, and it is. 
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for inflammation well and. 
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about, so I'm on Trulicity right
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had a high A1C. 
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of funny 'cause you look at 
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somaglutide that's out right 
now. 

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And they're like, oh, it causes 
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Yeah, that's what it's supposed 
to do. 

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It's supposed to slow down your 
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say I have an upset stomach, it 
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having a difficult time, not 
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had, I've been experiencing a 
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part of it at first and then it 
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But I understand exact 'cause I 
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something fierce, like felt like
I had a burp stuck and I 

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couldn't get it out and it 
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toilet, it just it hurt and I 
smoked some of this magic and 

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literally gone it just. 
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the all the muscles and the 
inflammation. 

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Starts to flow. 
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And I'm just like, because 
before I thought I was gonna 

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crap my pants on the way over. 
Here right? 

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And you know that, I mean, it's 
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don't run at full efficiency 
anymore. 

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But yeah, I, I completely like 
you. 

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You were talking about that. 
I'm like, Yup, Yup. 

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And I know that cannabis helps 
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Like I pretty much put myself in
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like beginning stages of Crohn's
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That's what it feels like. 
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cannabis is introduced, it, it 
just takes so much away. 

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top. 
And This is why this was so 

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interesting. 
So and, and, and there's some 

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nice parallels that I'm thinking
about here. 

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But you're LDS born and raised, 
yes. 

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Well, so Barry and his wife are 
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correct. 
Yes, OK. 

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Well, my, my wife is, yeah. 
OK. 

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And like, they're very active 
LDS people. 

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That was actually what was 
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So when I when they first bought
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moved in and she was living 
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remodeling, doing some stuff. 
And obviously I am a daily 

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cannabis consumer. 
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one evening and, and I hear this
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just, you know, very vindicative
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And I was like, I wonder if that
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sitting out back under the patio
another day and, and it looks 

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like she's just pouring some 
water out of like a pretty glass

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vase. 
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looks familiar. 
Like I've, I swear I've seen 

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those before. 
Like I might have a few of those

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same, same glass vases. 
So the next day she's out taking

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something out of the car. 
And I was like, hey, I'm just 

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going to throw this out there, 
but you don't happen to consume 

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cannabis, by the way, do you? 
And she was like, yeah, I do. 

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And I was like, I just, I had 
heard you coughing. 

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And, and so then we started 
talking and she was like, oh, 

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yeah, my, my parents are temple 
workers. 

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My dad has been like a medical 
cannabis consumer for for years.

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medical program here. 

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And I was like, that's 
incredibly interesting to me 

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because like, we have another 
cousin. 

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His grandma had passed away from
cancer, but she was using 

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cannabis here. 15 Two. 
Years ago wanna brands, wasn't 

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she? 
I I don't know yeah, the edibles

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cause Juana's I just. 
Remember that she was doing it 

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years and years ago. 
There was no medical program, 

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but she was an active LDS 
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Like they're very like involved 
in their faith. 

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And I feel like they believed, 
like they were a very ingrained 

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in intertwined with what they 
believed, right. 

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And so it's just interesting to 
see because there is still so 

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much fear and stigma surrounding
it, right? 

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Yeah. 
And that that's kind of what I 

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wanted to go into, is that was 
that part of the difficulty of 

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even considering cannabis? 
Yeah, it's a great question. 

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And that's one of the things 
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beyond here today, one of the 
things I want to invest more 

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time is, is trying to help 
people to understand that they 

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can be a cannabis user and have 
fidelity with their faith, you 

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know, but it, it's tricky. 
I mean, there, there's have, you

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have to voice certain landmines.
But, and, and this gets a little

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technical the conversation, but 
I think the church's position is

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that I, I, I think it's non 
combustibles that you might know

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it as well as I didn't, non 
flower, non combustible 

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combustibles. 
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oils and edibles and, and vape 
vape oils. 

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But then when it comes to 
vaping, they would say if it's 

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authorized by a physician and, 
and this language is important, 

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but to what what, what's the 
term to MP that's qualified? 

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They don't use turn. 
Qualified. 

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They just say if it's authorized
by a medical provider, vaping is

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is. 
This isn't the term that's used 

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in the handbook, but it's 
permissible, yeah. 

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Because it's and is the the 
flour like if you can utilize 

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the flour and even use a 
vaporizer and bake it, you get 

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way more of those effects and 
the terpenes and the 

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cannabinoids and you get way 
higher. 

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Are you talking about? 
Terpenes or animals? 

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Terpenes in in. 
If you vaporize flour, vaporize.

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Flour. 
Yes, exactly. 

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So the flour is the best way to 
do it. 

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It's the. 
Best way? 

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But in vaporizing it you get 
like the highest use from your 

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cannabis because you don't you 
don't burn off as much, you 

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don't waste as much. 
Even like edibles is such a 

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small amount on the 
bioavailability once you 

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actually eat it and it breaks 
down so awesome. 

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Part of vaporizing your cannabis
allows you to be able to use 

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that flower that is now 
activated to turn it into 

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cannabis oil, which then you can
incorporate into edibles. 

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And that is The thing is it's 
like I, I understand that, you 

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know, it was difficult on that 
side. 

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I, I'm, I'm LDS myself 
practicing active and I, I swear

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I get more people asking me 
questions at church than 

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anywhere else. 
They just come up and say, hey, 

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I know you do this right? 
Can you? 

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Tell me a little bit about that.
My mom, my sister, myself, 

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whatever it is and it. 
Depends on the nature of what 

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what they're asking, but I'm 
curious how would the most 

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commonly answer their questions?
So mostly at church, I'm, I'm 

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very gregarious and I will say 
whatever is on my mind, I don't 

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care who's there. 
I fear no man. 

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I fear no man. 
You know, I love God. 

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God is in my life every single 
day. 

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So is Christ. 
But I'll tell you, you know, 

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when they ask me, they go, what 
do you do for a living? 

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I get rid of that stigma right 
away, Brandon. 

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And I say this to everybody now,
but I just go, I smoke pot for a

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living. 
And immediately just that that 

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statement, they go, Hey, where 
do you get it? 

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And I'm like, are you curious? 
And they're saying have been for

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a while. 
And I was like, why? 

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Because I'm taking this 
medication. 

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Or I've tried these things and 
nothing's working. 

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And I hear that this works, but 
is it just, is it like snake 

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oil? 
Cause a lot of them feel like 

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it's not gonna do that. 
They, they tend to go, well, 

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this is just in the same 
category as alcohol. 

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Like it's bad for you, it's not 
gonna help you. 

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And I agree. 
You know, I, I've been a 

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drinker. 
You know, I was in the United 

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States, Snake. 
I wasn't always part of this 

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church, but I don't drink. 
Not because I'm a part of this, 

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a part of the faith. 
I drink because I know it's 100%

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toxic for my body. 
You. 

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Don't drink because you know, 
it's yeah. 

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I don't, I don't because I it's 
because it's toxic to my body. 

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You know, if it helped me to 
sleep, I've got friends in the 

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church. 
They're like, I can't sleep. 

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No medications ever touched me. 
The only thing happened was a 

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tall boy from from the 
convenience store. 

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I get a, you know, 2448 ounces 
of beer. 

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I drink that and I'm able to 
sleep and. 

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It's interesting with that, like
I have. 

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So I grew up here. 
My family's all Norman, and I 

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have a cousin. 
He just moved out. 

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Him and his wife and kids moved 
to New Jersey and they came back

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here and me and his wife were 
talking. 

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I think this is the first 
conversation that we've had in 

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the 12 years they've been 
married. 

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Yeah. 
But that side of the family is 

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over 160 people. 
It's decently large. 

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And so when we were talking, she
was like, yeah, it's, it's 

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interesting because I was 
wearing like a cannabis school 

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hoodie and I was giving my 
grandma ACBD tincture. 

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And I was giving her directions 
on, hey, here's how you do it, 

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here's what you need to do. 
And she was like, are you a 

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pharmacist? 
And I was like, no, no, I just 

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educate people about cannabis 
and like how to use it. 

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And she's like, so you are a 
pharmacist. 

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And I was like, I mean, I, I 
guess. 

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And that I I. 
Consider as apothecaries. 

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Yeah, it was. 
Interesting because she was 

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like, you know, out here in 
Utah, she was like, I'm really 

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glad that we moved to Jersey 
because I probably wouldn't be 

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Mormon anymore if we were here. 
And I was like, what makes you 

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say that? 
And she was like, well, just the

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culture, it's it's different 
here. 

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And I was like it, it is Utah. 
Utah culture is different than 

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like the LDS church out outside 
of it. 

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But she was like, I have so many
friends here who were like, I 

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realized all I needed wasn't all
of these medications. 

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It was a gummy at the end of the
day or a glass of wine. 

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And they could do that and they 
could manage all of the other 

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things that they were taking all
of these medications for. 

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But it was like friend upon. 
Well, and it just. 

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From their neighbors or someone 
else going like, hey, you're 

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doing that right. 
And that's, I mean, that's the 

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Utah culture well. 
And it and it's important to 

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remember that it's, it's people,
yes, it's people, not their 

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faith. 
And people tend to use that, 

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especially, you know, around 
here. 

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I grew up here and, you know, we
were in my family, we were LDS 

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up in point till I was like 
about maybe 11 or 12. 

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And then we left. 
We left because of the people. 

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And even now, just like what 
Brandon said, like it's a lot of

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this is in our heads. 
Most people who use this that 

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are LDS, the first thing that 
they say they go why is this 

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illegal? 
Yeah, that's very common to 

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hear. 
So it's been good, but because 

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I'm, I mean, for a lot of other 
LDS people, I know it would be 

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really difficult for them to do 
that. 

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However, I don't care. 
And when I'm in church and I say

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these things like, I mean, I've,
I've taught elders quorum, you 

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know, I'm a high priest from 
back that time, right? 

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And so it's like, it's crazy 
because these people are willing

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to be open. 
And there's a lot of faiths out 

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there that are, you know, 
Christian denominations that are

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just like, I feel they feel the 
exact same way. 

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They feel, I almost feel like 
they have more guilt about doing

445
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,360
things like cannabis because 
they feel like it's wrong, 100% 

446
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:27,400
wrong. 
Like these are the kind of 

447
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,120
people that won't like hardcore 
Christian Bible Belt people. 

448
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,520
You know what I'm talking about?
Like. 

449
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,240
It's that's interesting. 
So I, I look at that cause so 

450
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,440
Emily always is like, oh man, we
should, we could move out of 

451
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,320
Utah. 
There's so many places where 

452
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,240
it's so much cheaper and I'm 
like, it is. 

453
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,320
Quite the stigma, no? 
But she's like, well, what about

454
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,840
this state? 
Cannabis isn't legal there. 

455
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,720
It's in the South. 
What about this state? 

456
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,240
Cannabis isn't legal there. 
My ex-wife constantly has been 

457
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,240
like, you should move to Texas. 
Our kids like one of your kids 

458
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,800
is here and I'm like, and the 
other kids here. 

459
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,520
But like, Texas is still way 
behind the, like, behind the 

460
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,240
ball. 
They're trying to figure stuff 

461
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,480
out and have no idea. 
And I look at it and it's like 

462
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,720
in the same Bible Belt. 
Like Idaho doesn't have it. 

463
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:14,120
I was surprised that Utah, of 
all places, was one of the first

464
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:17,880
ones out of all of these places 
to introduce a medical program 

465
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,360
for cannabis. 
Like were you so before having a

466
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,480
card, I'm guessing you were 
still using cannabis once you 

467
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,640
found out that it was beneficial
for you, was that terrifying 

468
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,120
going? 
I'm guessing outside of the 

469
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,400
state to a place you could 
trust, yes. 

470
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,960
I remember what and it was, I 
think it was, let me see, it was

471
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,520
November in 2018 when it was 
finally passed. 

472
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,320
But it wasn't a year. 
It was a year and four months. 

473
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,520
It was like. 2020 when it was 
2020 First pharmacy March. 2020 

474
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840
when Dragonfly opened. 
So that was a year and four 

475
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,560
months. 
So for a year and four months, 

476
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,520
you're right, that was the 
status and I was nervous and we 

477
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,920
made, I made at least three 
trips to Vegas, partly because 

478
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,320
my wife was there on business 
and I flew, we flew her out to 

479
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Mexico and several places. 
But while I was there, Shango 

480
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,040
was the big dispenser there. 
I don't know if you're familiar 

481
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,200
with that, but I have this, this
vision of like the police, you 

482
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,640
know, looking in the parking lot
with, with glasses, you know? 

483
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:22,920
Yeah. 
Utah license plate. 

484
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,440
Well, everyone here has Utah 
license plates, you know, and 

485
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,160
OK, I, I just know what's going 
to happen. 

486
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,840
You know I'm going to hit I-15 
and head towards Utah on the 

487
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,360
man. 
I cross the the border. 

488
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,880
So I'm going. 
To go on and there I'm I'm going

489
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,240
to be busted and so just 
paranoid driving all the way 

490
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,720
knowing I'm doing something 
illicit. 

491
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:44,200
So no, that was a big fear. 
And so, you know, but I knew 

492
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,000
that I, I was qualified, I would
have had a license. 

493
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,560
It was, it was legal in Utah, 
but there are no dispensaries up

494
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,360
and running. 
There's. 

495
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,600
No way to get it. 
There was no. 

496
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,640
Way to get it then. 
So there was that, you know, 

497
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,600
almost a year and a half, but. 
That's kind of how I felt after 

498
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,840
they introduced the program and 
I was like, I went and collected

499
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,720
signatures for Prop 2 and I was 
talking to people about it and 

500
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,840
like educating like this, 
there's so much value in this. 

501
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,680
And so then I was going to 
Colorado and I was getting 

502
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,880
products in that same fear. 
I would be like, OK, I'm coming 

503
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,800
up on the border. 
Is there going to be like, I 

504
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,680
don't see a cop, but are they 
going to pop out and be like, 

505
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,960
oh, you just came from Colorado,
we're going to pull you over? 

506
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,720
Yeah, I remember when we went to
dinosaur. 

507
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,920
Yeah. 
And I'm like sketched. 

508
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,120
Out we were going. 
The speed limit not doing 

509
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,920
anything crazy like OK, well, 
but you're. 

510
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,880
Just paranoid, yeah. 
But I'm like, OK, I've got a 

511
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,200
couple pens, maybe some flour. 
This is for my, for me, it's 

512
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,240
medicine. 
This is gonna help me. 

513
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,080
But yet I still qualify 
according to Utah's programs. 

514
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,560
Like I'd still qualify for it. 
So I'm like, but I don't have a 

515
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,120
card. 
But it's this Gray area and I'm 

516
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:52,240
like, so terrified, like, Oh my 
goodness. 

517
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,720
But at the same time, like, you 
know, I feel like if I got 

518
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,000
pulled over, depending on the 
officer, depending on the 

519
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,600
officer, I can have a logical 
discussion and educate them. 

520
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,160
And most people I don't think 
truly, truly think it through 

521
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,520
because I mean, now they just 
barely changed it to schedule 3.

522
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,000
But prior to that, like the fact
that it's schedule one saying 

523
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,680
there's no medical value and 
it's like, OK, but yet it's a 

524
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,320
medicine proven in this state. 
It's proven on the federal level

525
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,520
with a medical patent. 
So what are you holding me 

526
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,240
accountable to? 
Like which law? 

527
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,640
Which standard is this that 
you're because they are both 

528
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,040
here and you're just looking at 
what one side of the page and 

529
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,480
going, oh, it's this, but like 
you look at the other same side 

530
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,960
of the page and it's something 
totally different. 

531
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,680
You know, on top of that, like, 
most police officers don't even 

532
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,080
really care about it anymore. 
See that? 

533
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,440
Was my next question is, is it 
differs from officer to officer,

534
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,640
doesn't it? 
Even then, like, I mean, you 

535
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,400
take states that have been 
around this for a lot longer. 

536
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,360
Like it was a really funny 
video. 

537
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Have you ever seen that video of
the sheriff in California pulls 

538
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,080
over this guy? 
And he goes, is that your, is 

539
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,840
that your weed? 
And the guy's like, yeah. 

540
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,000
And he goes, all right, well, 
either I got to arrest you or 

541
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,680
you got to throw it out. 
And he's like, what? 

542
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,400
And he's like, you got to throw 
your whole bag out. 

543
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,920
And he's like, all right. 
And he throws it out. 

544
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,760
And then he goes, now I'm going 
to give you a ticket for 

545
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,600
littering because that weed is 
trash. 

546
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,040
It was so funny. 
And it was just like, Oh my. 

547
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,000
Gosh, but a. 
Lot of them, I, I have a lot of 

548
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,520
friends who are, are either 
former law enforcement or are 

549
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,440
law enforcement and they just 
don't care. 

550
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,240
They don't care. 
A lot of them use themselves. 

551
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,600
It's. 
Just we had. 

552
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,600
We had one talk to me and my 
buddy here and he was like, you 

553
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,360
know, we don't care. 
You can consume cannabis. 

554
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,360
This was before, before Prop 2, 
this was before signatures. 

555
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,920
This was before any of that. 
And he came and he was like, we 

556
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,280
don't care as long as you're an 
adult doing it within your own 

557
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,680
home and you're not out doing 
stupid things. 

558
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,640
So that's it. 
That was it. 

559
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,520
It was like, OK, and that's in 
Family City, USA. 

560
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Right. 
Well, I want to keep this 

561
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,240
relevant to a larger audience, 
but like driving from a 

562
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,160
dispensary in Utah with a bag 
unopened as as opposed to open. 

563
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Like do you want to see your 
product, you know, smell? 

564
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,760
Oh yeah, this is going to be 
good. 

565
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,640
Wait till I get home, you know, 
But, but, but what do they, I 

566
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,920
mean, if, if they pull you over 
and it's open or unopened, what,

567
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,560
what are the implications of 
that 'cause I often wonder that 

568
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,200
and that's great. 
The thing? 

569
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,680
Is in in. 
This is according to the law. 

570
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,000
Supposedly you need to have the 
receipt for your purchase as 

571
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,960
well as like the container that 
it came in. 

572
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,560
OK, well, if I'm being 
realistic, I will never carry a 

573
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,400
product package with me. 
I'm not going to stick that in 

574
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,080
my pocket. 
I'm not going to stick it in my 

575
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,920
bag. 
I'm not going to carry it. 

576
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,400
It shouldn't be my 
responsibility to go here's my 

577
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,560
doctor prescription. 
Like how many people dose out in

578
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,640
their purse? 
Here's my daily pills. 

579
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,640
OK, it might not have in there 
every prescription bottle and 

580
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,520
prescription signature from 
their doctor. 

581
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,760
No. 
That seems ludicrous, so to go 

582
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,240
again. 
I feel like as long as it is it 

583
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,240
visible, is it out? 
And if you're being pulled over,

584
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,240
if you notice there's a cop, is 
it up on your seat open? 

585
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Yeah, remember. 
Those stupid things we would 

586
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,840
hear like we would go to, we 
went to a couple cannabis 

587
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,200
conferences here or swap meets 
at the beginning pretty much is 

588
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,960
what it is, right? 
And when we went there, the, the

589
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,720
this girl was like, Oh yeah, you
know, I had my card on me and 

590
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,320
I'll have like my joint in the 
middle. 

591
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,920
She's like I had. 
My stuff just out on my seat and

592
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,320
the cop was like, oh, do you 
have your card? 

593
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Oh, it's right here. 
Oh, you're good. 

594
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,640
And I'm like, that's the. 
Dumbest thing, but it could be. 

595
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Possible if it's in the package.
If it's like, well, here's. 

596
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,280
Also, the thing I mean, if you 
don't want to be caught with 

597
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,360
this, don't act suspicious. 
Like, that's one thing that I 

598
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,720
think about like, like. 
Hide it when it's when you don't

599
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,720
need to, you know? 
They're Brandon and I got these 

600
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,000
bags from Helmet Head. 
No, no sponsorship affiliation 

601
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,080
with them. 
We try to reach out and nothing 

602
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,880
but these are great bags but it 
has a lock on it. 

603
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,000
So you need a warrant to open a 
lock? 

604
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,440
Yep. 
And so I have my lock on there 

605
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,680
and they could say what's in 
that bag? 

606
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,440
It says personal property. 
I'm not gonna be a jerk. 

607
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,680
I'm not gonna be like those guys
on YouTube going, I'm only 

608
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,640
rolling down my window this far.
Like I'm gonna give him 

609
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,720
everything I need because I know
if I'm cooperative, they're 

610
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,960
gonna be more appreciative and 
they're gonna let me go. 

611
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680
But most of the time, the only 
person who knows you're high is 

612
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,120
you. 
And if you're that high and you 

613
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,560
get pulled over, I'm sorry. 
You deserve it. 

614
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,240
You probably. 
Shouldn't be driving if you're 

615
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,280
that high and you're that 
worried about it. 

616
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,720
You clearly are way too high to 
be behind the wheel then, yeah? 

617
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,000
So don't do that. 
You know, I, I have cannabis, 

618
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
I've been on the road. 
I mean that study, what was that

619
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,240
study 64? 
Percent. 

620
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,240
So we recently had cannabis 
chem. 

621
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,880
She's a doctor. 
Yeah, I I heard. 

622
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640
That episode. 
But it was like. 64% of all the 

623
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,960
users in their study consume or 
have it in their system when 

624
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,160
they drive. 
How? 

625
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,600
What percentage was it 60? 
4% and 90 it was 90% or over 90%

626
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,400
were daily consumers and were 
like wake and bakers, but they 

627
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,800
would consume first thing in the
morning. 

628
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,440
Basically I was like holy cow. 
Because you realize, OK, well, 

629
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,640
how many people are really using
this and they're utilizing it 

630
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,680
every day, They're using it as a
medicine. 

631
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560
And then it's, it's not always 
treated at it, but there there 

632
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,120
is, there's so much fear about, 
well, what do I do? 

633
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,040
And Utah is different. 
Every state is different, you 

634
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,640
know, are again, I think it 
comes down to how are you 

635
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,520
presenting? 
If you are, if you're pulled 

636
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,080
over, say you have medicine, say
you've got a bag, maybe it's 

637
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,400
open, maybe the top of the bag 
is open. 

638
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,160
Does your car smell like 
cannabis though? 

639
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,520
Because if it's if it's still 
sealed, like when say we go to 

640
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,880
Dragonfly, I get a glass jar. 
When I open that lid of the 

641
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,960
glass jar, it still has a 
plastic seal under that as well.

642
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,000
So unless I really open all of 
it and then leave it open, it's 

643
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,679
going to be pretty smell proof. 
Well, even that though, I mean, 

644
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:20,960
how many times do you get pulled
over? 

645
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,360
I mean, I know you're notorious 
of being able to have cops 

646
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,000
around you, but just kidding. 
Luckily, it's something you're 

647
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:27,960
used to. 
It's been. 

648
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,560
I know. 
No, no. 

649
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,400
I mean honestly, like he he just
wrong time, wrong place. 

650
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,800
For the dumbest things, when I'm
like, I'm sorry, I was paying 

651
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,120
attention. 
I saw you. 

652
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,480
Were you paying attention? 
Because the thing you're saying 

653
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,280
I've done like which is. 
Weird how many times you've been

654
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,719
pulled over. 
Very. 

655
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,440
Often I, I the last time I was 
pulled over was because of 

656
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,280
expired tags and that was like 
17 years ago. 

657
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,240
Like it's a, a rare occurrence. 
So, you know, if you don't want 

658
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,040
to be suspicious, stop acting 
suspicious. 

659
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,800
I mean it. 
It's just poor. 

660
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Paranoid, like that's the thing 
I realized and is a lot of. 

661
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,160
It is in my. 
Head, 'cause I'd be like, oh 

662
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,080
man, there's a cop and I'm like,
but why? 

663
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,880
Why am I feeling tense right 
now? 

664
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Because there's a cop. 
I haven't changed anything. 

665
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,000
I'm doing. 
I'm still not speeding, I'm not 

666
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,560
driving reckless. 
I'm still using my blink like 

667
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,080
nothing has changed. 
Yeah, you know. 

668
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,520
What that cop's thinking to 
stop, get milk and. 

669
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,320
Wife said to. 
Get the the cereal kids like and

670
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
oh, I gotta gotta watch that 
show. 

671
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,840
He's. 
He's not a. 

672
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,280
Book em Dano give a hoot don't 
pollute kind of guy, right? 

673
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,040
Yeah, he's. 
Not like, oh, there's a car. 

674
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,560
There's a. 
Car What's that guy doing? 

675
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,240
What that guy looking like? 
You know what? 

676
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,640
There are those guys like I 
remember I went on ride alongs 

677
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,120
like a long time ago and the guy
was just like, he was like 

678
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,680
everybody's license plate he 
came across. 

679
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,600
He would run it and I'm like, 
and then he pulled over this 

680
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,560
woman with a minivan with the 
panel side. 

681
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,320
Remember the wood panel? 
It was awesome, beautiful. 

682
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,520
And I think it was an Astro van 
and he, he pulls her over 

683
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,520
because she didn't have 
insurance registered. 

684
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,040
I don't know. 
It's like that's what he was 

685
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,040
doing like he was looking for 
that. 

686
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,240
Well, it's. 
Utah, we don't It was at the. 

687
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,680
Time. 
I don't know if they do that 

688
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,040
now, how long? 
Ago was that. 

689
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,960
It was a long time ago. 
We do have more crime, I will 

690
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,960
say that. 
But like realistically in 

691
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,160
comparison, I feel like it's 
incredibly mild to many of the 

692
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,000
other places that have gone 
around the world. 

693
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,880
Nope. 
So so nice. 

694
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,120
Like well. 
Well, part of it too is when you

695
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,640
you're paranoid when you're 
driving, so you drive more 

696
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,600
erratic that you that you might 
otherwise drive because you're 

697
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080
paranoid and then. 
You're tense and your response 

698
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,720
is going to be different. 
And I'm like, and so that's what

699
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,280
I have to remind myself is 
nothing's changed. 

700
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,840
I don't need to stress out 
because now all of a sudden I 

701
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,440
have noticed or I'm aware that 
there's a cop. 

702
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,120
If I don't change or act any 
different, he's not going to 

703
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,960
treat me any different. 
But that's the same thing I 

704
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,920
noticed when going to the store 
or anywhere else. 

705
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,080
And I'm like, I was doing that 
for the longest time and that 

706
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,000
was my sudden light bulb moment 
of in my head thinking, Oh my 

707
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,440
gosh, I am so high because I'm 
new to cannabis. 

708
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,520
I'm out at the store and I'm 
walking around thinking people 

709
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,880
are going to notice I'm high and
I'm looking like genuinely 

710
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,520
looking because I'm right here. 
Like I'm so present and I'm 

711
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,440
like. 
That reminds me that these. 

712
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,640
People are paying any attention 
and. 

713
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,560
That that's might be part of the
the paranoid stage you go 

714
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,360
through when you you're on 
cannabis, you know, you until 

715
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,120
that mellows out a little bit 
you, you feel that way, you 

716
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,440
know, but it's. 
Nice to have a guide, right? 

717
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Wouldn't have been nice like 
that. 

718
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,480
We we have I I was laughing 
because we have a good friend of

719
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,480
ours been at Maxwell and he came
over a while ago and we were 

720
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,400
going to record an episode and 
it never came to fruition. 

721
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,120
We got way too elevated and we 
ended up just having this great 

722
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,800
conversation and walking around 
in Smith's grocery for like an 

723
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,480
hour and a half looking for 
snacks. 

724
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,640
We just. 
Sat and smoked and didn't have 

725
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,880
the mic set up and so we chatted
for a long time. 

726
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,240
It would have been a great 
convo, but we just nothing was 

727
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,360
set up for it and we're like OK,
all right, but it. 

728
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Was funny because we went 
through and he was like, man, 

729
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,280
that was the craziest. 
He was really paranoid in the 

730
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,280
store. 
He's like, people are going to 

731
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,320
know like who cares? 
They don't care. 

732
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,600
Most people are into themselves.
They're not. 

733
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,680
They're not going around going, 
you know what? 

734
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,360
I'm going to look for sinners. 
I'm just going to find sinners. 

735
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,960
How many? 
Meds are everyone on that. 

736
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,720
They're from anxiety, stress, 
depression, even wake. 

737
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,520
And bake. 
Like I used to feel bad with 

738
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040
wake and bake, but people take 
their medicine first thing in 

739
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:38,800
the morning. 
They do. 

740
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,240
Yep. 
Oh, wait, I'm I'm depressed. 

741
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:42,240
I'm stressed. 
What do you do? 

742
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,400
Well, you have to take it first 
thing or you have a gut. 

743
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,880
Problem just like you know what 
what's going on like sometimes 

744
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,600
early in the morning is when you
get the most it's your stomach 

745
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,880
just hurts where I mean your 
your guts hurt right? 

746
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,040
And it's because of the 
digestive system, just like you 

747
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,560
said it, it takes up so much 
energy, right? 

748
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,360
And and pain itself extracts 
someone's energy from your 

749
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,040
system. 
So when you lay in bed and you 

750
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,200
feel nothing but pain in the 
morning, like the, the, the 

751
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,640
sativa doesn't give you energy, 
but it can take the edge off of 

752
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,840
the pain which allows you to 
have energy first thing in the 

753
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,680
morning. 
So that's why early in the 

754
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,960
morning, having just a hit or 
two of sativa gives me energy 

755
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120
well. 
And that and that brings me to a

756
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000
good question. 
What's your regimen? 

757
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,160
And and that's give or take if I
take Sativa in the morning, it 

758
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,800
depends on the morning, but 
every night I take about two 

759
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,960
good hits. 
So I'm a lot, I would be a light

760
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,480
user in the evening. 
So and, and here's the 

761
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,080
interesting thing I was thinking
about this. 

762
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,240
I went through an experimental 
stage when I have my card 

763
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,800
because, you know, I have my 
card now I can try things on 

764
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,440
there. 
I've been trying so both in 

765
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,160
terms of method and different 
strains and I had my kids to 

766
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,760
help me. 
So that was really good. 

767
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,280
But and I went through that for 
about a year. 

768
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,280
But then I and, and I, I think 
back to the episode that you 

769
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,840
guys just did about 3 episodes 
ago about, I don't know, is it 

770
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
re evaluating your use of 
cannabis? 

771
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,720
Yeah. 
And I kind of went through a 

772
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:18,920
stage of that also, I didn't 
just do that, but more before 

773
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,320
this period, I went through the 
stage where I reevaluated my 

774
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,000
muse and I thought I could 
continue to look for strains. 

775
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,400
And that's exciting because 
there's such a big interesting 

776
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,960
world. 
This is exactly what you guys 

777
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,320
do. 
And it never ends. 

778
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,960
And there's, and there's more 
strains every day and more 

779
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,600
hybrids and, and, and more 
breeding is so interesting and 

780
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,200
more methods. 
Or else I could do the opposite,

781
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:50,000
which is for my for pain and 
depression and sleep and nausea.

782
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,920
And I haven't talked about the 
medication I take for chemo and 

783
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,600
the side effects of that and how
cannabis helps that also. 

784
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,480
Or else I could just narrow it 
down and go rather than having 

785
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,560
open-ended kind of like what you
guys do. 

786
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,000
I have to kind of narrow it down
for convenience and find out 

787
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,080
what I need so I can just take 
it every night and get a 

788
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,760
regimen, regular regimen. 
So that's what I've done 

789
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,720
throughout the years. 
So I I I've ate mostly. 

790
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,240
And have you found like the 
terpenes that work really well 

791
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,560
with you but. 
That's why I'm always trying new

792
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,560
indicas and and that's usually 
what I work with right now. 

793
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,160
OK, that's awesome. 
And mine was open for 

794
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,680
suggestions and that's why I'm 
always listening to you guys. 

795
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,480
We'll have. 
To have another chat about what 

796
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,360
you're using and then we'll go 
find some comparisons that might

797
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,320
work really well. 
Yeah, to check out. 

798
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,440
So one thing that's worked for 
me, especially for sleep lately,

799
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,280
is banana Dolce #10. 
OK, that's a, that's a Betty 

800
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,480
brand. 
Yeah, it's Betty brand here. 

801
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,680
Oh. 
What about white rents? 

802
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Is that a good it's it will like
that would be a great end of the

803
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,760
night because it will like relax
your say to them light runs, 

804
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,040
white runs. 
Yeah, White runs. 

805
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,080
It's it's another Betty one. 
It's really good, very frosty, 

806
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,880
but it's. 
Do it at the end of the day, 

807
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,840
Yeah, it'll slow you down. 
It'll. 

808
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:19,080
And if you're a light user, go 
light I I did GHC. 

809
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,800
Where's that? 
What? 

810
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,440
Where's that on it's? 
Not super high. 

811
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,360
The The thing is. 
And that's like like magic, 

812
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,640
right? 
Magic is not a high. 

813
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,520
It was like 8. 17 or 18% maybe 
with magic but it was 5% CBG. 

814
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,760
And you would think that you're 
smoking hemp. 

815
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,480
Same with. 
Valley Grass Valley girl here 

816
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,000
you. 
Just highlighted that one is. 

817
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Is also a 5% CBG strain. 
Yeah. 

818
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,960
And it's it's. 
So it is man, that's a great 

819
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,720
headspace strain. 
You got some gunk in your head 

820
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,040
and and you're having a 
difficult day. 

821
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,280
Maybe you're even a little hard 
on yourself when you take that. 

822
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,880
You just go, it's OK, I'm. 
Just worrying what or I'm not 

823
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,000
what? 
I'm just curious, what made you 

824
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,800
pick that? 
Because I think that you 

825
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,000
highlighted that one last time, 
Jesse, didn't you? 

826
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,280
Yeah, honestly. 
Yeah. 

827
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:17,520
It was since we've been getting 
more in involved with a lot of 

828
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,120
local cannabis companies. 
Dragonfly has been amazing to 

829
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,840
us. 
And they recommended that. 

830
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Oh. 
Yeah, every time I go in like 

831
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,520
I'm, I'm asking Dev like we know
all the bud tenders and we we 

832
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,720
just start chatting with them 
and we're just like, hey, what 

833
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,040
do you, what do you recommend 
this time? 

834
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,640
Because it's just there's a 
large variety, but there's not. 

835
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:40,360
We visited their farm and we 
know that there's more coming, 

836
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,680
but it magic was one of those 
that was just so amazing. 

837
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,840
Hold on one second, Brandon. 
That is smoking. 

838
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,040
No, I just blew a bit and it 
went down and popped up now. 

839
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,040
That makes me look bad. 
Now I look high. 

840
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,040
You have to leave this all in. 
That's hilarious. 

841
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,640
What? 
What's the flower that you have 

842
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,520
here? 
So I want to say it might be 

843
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,880
magic up top. 
OK. 

844
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,400
Good, because it kind of feels 
like magic. 

845
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,040
I just, I just finished the rest
of my magic. 

846
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,920
No, no, no, didn't I? 
No, I don't know. 

847
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Shoot, I hope not because this 
magic was magic is is quite 

848
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:26,080
amazing in that side of the pain
relief, but also in it's not 

849
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,080
such a strong sativa. 
But with Grass Valley girl, I 

850
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,240
just checked it out. 
I look at the profile, look at 

851
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,600
the percentage and I'm like, OK,
well, what's gonna what? 

852
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,040
I want to know what that's going
to feel like. 

853
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,720
And when we both had it, we were
really surprised. 

854
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,480
Oh my goodness. 
I don't know why we were 

855
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,000
avoiding that one. 
The name it. 

856
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,800
Just wasn't as appealing. 
Yeah, I mean, that was a good 

857
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,320
pick. 
It it's usually like it it's a 

858
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,920
it it's just a marketing thing, 
like the strain names, they're 

859
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,720
all that's all garbage. 
Like they're just doing that to 

860
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,600
be able to help differentiate. 
But it's just the profile of 

861
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:07,680
terpenes and to CBDTHCTHCAI mean
everything else comes into 

862
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,840
factor of that, of what you're 
going to feel. 

863
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,600
But yeah, Magic is one of the 
best Grass Valley girl. 

864
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,600
That's just. 
Surprising. 

865
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,960
Like another really good one, 
yeah. 

866
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,040
I'm. 
I use that if I'm not really 

867
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,440
excited about my wife. 
Like, I mean, she's a very clean

868
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
woman, very clean. 
Like our house is messy right 

869
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,400
now. 
There's two bowls on the table, 

870
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,080
maybe a cereal box. 
It's horrible. 

871
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,160
Don't let anybody in here. 
People are going to sing a bomb 

872
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,000
went off in here. 
But. 

873
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,240
But when I use that, I am in 
like the happiest mood to do 

874
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,880
anything she asks. 
She's just like, hey, can you 

875
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,400
take off that door downstairs 
and all that? 

876
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,920
Yeah, no problem. 
Just go down there, take it out.

877
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,280
What else you need. 
And she's like, no, I don't want

878
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,440
you to do anything else. 
I said it's not holding like 

879
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,840
rent on you of like, I've done 
all these things now I need you 

880
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,080
to pay me back. 
I was like, I'm just in a great 

881
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,000
mood. 
And she goes, what are you using

882
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,600
us? 
It's Grass Valley girl and she. 

883
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Encourages more of it, yeah. 
I mean, she consumes too and, 

884
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,960
and it's it was hard for her. 
Like when Brandon brought me 

885
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,240
into the fold, I didn't tell her
for a year. 

886
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,160
I hid this little vape pen. 
It was those disposable ones 

887
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,600
with the stylus on it. 
And I hid it in, in our storage 

888
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,480
room in the, in the ceiling. 
Yeah. 

889
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,440
And it was just, I would put it 
up there in a special spot every

890
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,840
time I mow the lawn. 
I'd, I'd smoke on that. 

891
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,840
And she noticed it was different
and I had stopped medications 

892
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,960
that I'd been trying to get off 
for a while with that. 

893
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,160
And then when I told her I don't
take it anymore and she was 

894
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,280
like, Oh no. 
And I'm like, no, no, you don't 

895
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,120
understand. 
I've been off for like 2 months 

896
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,040
and she's like what was? 
That an easy conversation for 

897
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,480
you with Carmina like when you 
started using cannabis that. 

898
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,880
That's a good question. 
She, she's from Mexico. 

899
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,400
So they use histolic medicines 
and things like that and they 

900
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,680
use, oh, what's it called? 
Well, plant based remedies. 

901
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,480
So it's not uncommon and there's
already a foundation for using 

902
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,320
that. 
So it was not unusual for the 

903
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,960
the idea. 
No, I don't think they use 

904
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,840
cannabis, but her mother, 
especially if you go in in she 

905
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,160
lives with us. 
So her apartment has lots of 

906
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,280
herbs hanging and a lot just she
does and she has a herb garden 

907
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,920
as well. 
So it wasn't too unusual for her

908
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,800
to do that. 
So she was supportive overall 

909
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,360
and she's supportive today. 
Were you? 

910
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,400
Pretty open in your community, 
like with your Bishop when you 

911
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,600
first started consuming. 
Yes. 

912
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,920
And I've gotten, I've got no 
pushback whatsoever, but I 

913
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,640
haven't gotten into detail. 
I've just said that I have a 

914
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,040
cannabis card and he's OK with 
that with two patients. 

915
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,160
I've told them that that that 
the the subject of vaping is 

916
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,440
never come up or the. 
Method of consumption. 

917
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,120
Well, it'd be like the same if 
they're asking you about your 

918
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,960
bowel movements. 
Like that's kind of personal, 

919
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,960
yeah. 
Right. 

920
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,560
And, and what's funny is, you 
know, before it was 2016, the 

921
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,840
position was even more liberal. 
It'd just be, I don't even think

922
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,400
they said it's between you and 
your Bishop. 

923
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,400
They said it's a matter of 
personal conscience. 

924
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,240
And that was it, you know, and 
that's even more liberal than 

925
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,640
the position they have today. 
So if there's any question, I 

926
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,440
defer back to that, you know, 
that's the the default position 

927
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,040
of the church. 
So even in my own mind, if I 

928
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,280
have any question, whether I use
vape or not vape for this method

929
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,560
or that method, I just refer 
back to that. 

930
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,600
And I don't resort to authority 
to ever. 

931
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,040
Felt or worried about it to 
there's no. 

932
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,440
Yeah, exactly. 
I mean, it's, it's you and your 

933
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,120
body, you know, and, and I, I 
quite honestly like I, I will 

934
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:58,720
say this like I, I tend to be 
able to dive more genuinely into

935
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,200
spiritual thoughts and processes
when I use cannabis alongside 

936
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,000
with it. 
It, it doesn't let the world 

937
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,640
around me get into it. 
It just allows me to experience 

938
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,680
it for myself and what it's 
important to me. 

939
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,520
Yes. 
Yeah, thank you for sharing 

940
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,800
that, Jesse. 
And yesterday I was in the 

941
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,800
temple and I couldn't have been 
there without, you know, the use

942
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,320
of the of, of cannabis because I
would have been in too much 

943
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,120
pain. 
And I was going to go. 

944
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,080
And then I changed my mind and I
took some hits and I was fine. 

945
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,040
It was a good experience. 
It was a spiritual experience. 

946
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,120
It helps. 
You connect. 

947
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,720
Absolutely and. 
Especially when you live in that

948
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,640
pain, it can take you. 
Like you said, it doesn't get 

949
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,000
rid of it, but it takes that 
edge off of it to where you can 

950
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,440
experience something. 
Yes, exactly. 

951
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,840
Be there for that. 
Yeah, I'd. 

952
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:51,200
Say pain is the most is the most
defining trait of being human. 

953
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,720
Because it's. 
Constant and when but when you 

954
00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,640
get something that goes above 
and beyond, like Brandon, I 

955
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,160
always worry about him with his 
back and you know, I, I don't 

956
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,520
give him crap about it. 
I'm like, oh, you're an old man.

957
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,280
Like no, his back's I mean his 
whole family's got a bunch of 

958
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,840
bad backs. 
And so I know that, you know, 

959
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,440
they're all a bunch of crooked 
sky spying people. 

960
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,560
And but I, I know it's a lot of 
pain. 

961
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,920
And when you have nothing but 
pain, you can't focus on 

962
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,560
anything else but that pain. 
So you're tired, you're grumpy, 

963
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:31,480
you don't have how can you? 
I know, I mean, it's to endure 

964
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,520
to the end, but there's only so 
much I can take physically where

965
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,200
I cannot be spiritual at that 
point. 

966
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,760
Is that does that make sense 
exactly? 

967
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,680
Right, exactly. 
And and, and it, it puts you in 

968
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,160
a lofty place anyway. 
So it's a place where you're 

969
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:51,840
more inclined towards that. 
And so it, it, it, it does it's 

970
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,480
very compatible and and the 2GO 
together very well. 

971
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,200
So whenever I have to do 
anything church related, temple 

972
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,920
related, having that is goes 
goes together very well. 

973
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,640
Yeah, Well, I mean, there's I 
guarantee there's a bunch of 

974
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,680
guys in there on Percocet and 
gabapentin. 

975
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,200
Absolutely. 
And and they're just, you know, 

976
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,720
they've unknowingly became an 
addict going well, you know, I 

977
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,920
don't have a problem with it, 
but I've been taking it for four

978
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,880
years and I take it every day 
like you take hardcore narcotics

979
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,720
every day. 
Like, you know that they call 

980
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,120
that right? 
The call that you know 

981
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:30,360
addiction. 
Yeah. 

982
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,920
They call that, I mean, dude, 
he's like that guy on Scarface, 

983
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,720
Tony Montana, right? 
He's just like, he just does so 

984
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,480
many drugs. 
He's just like, yeah, it's 

985
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,320
Tuesday. 
I just do drugs all the time. 

986
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,200
No, it's, it's interesting, you 
know, that you said that 'cause 

987
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,240
it's so it's so hard for us 
anyways. 

988
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:51,680
But when you're when you're able
to kind of let go of that, like 

989
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,680
I often think about like if half
of these people in in our church

990
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,480
during, you know, a fast and 
testimony meeting, how many of 

991
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,200
them would actually be a little 
bit more real up there if they 

992
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,040
were on cannabis? 
Hey, man, I just love you. 

993
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,320
Like, you know, there's just a 
sense of love with almost every 

994
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,280
single person that uses 
cannabis. 

995
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:13,120
Like they can look like, like 
Brandon and I were leaving this 

996
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,280
event and there was this dude on
the side of the road just 

997
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,320
sparking up a joint and he's 
smoking it. 

998
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,360
Yeah, his bowl. 
Ball sitting by a Bush on the 

999
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,320
side of the road because we were
leaving. 

1000
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:23,800
What? 
What? 

1001
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,040
Event was that you were leaving.
It was. 

1002
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,280
The Dragonfly 420 event up in 
salt. 

1003
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,480
Lake the guy who? 
Just did the street like you 

1004
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,360
know, you really know cops are 
like whatever, but and I'm. 

1005
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,720
Hobbling by Jesse's carry in the
box of stuff. 

1006
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,360
And I was like, MMM, what you 
smoking on? 

1007
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,280
And he's like, you want some? 
And my knee had just been acting

1008
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,040
up and I was like, I don't know.
And then like, yeah, yeah, 

1009
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,960
definitely. 
I don't know why I'm saying no. 

1010
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,520
He just like hands it right over
beautiful community and that. 

1011
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,400
Was the best example. 
It is of. 

1012
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,120
How you can connect with just 
anybody. 

1013
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,280
And not only was this guy saying
he wasn't like, pay, get out of 

1014
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,840
here. 
I mean, nobody does that with 

1015
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,720
alcohol. 
Hey, what you drinking on? 

1016
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:08,120
Would you like a sip? 
No one does that. 

1017
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,320
They'd be like, go buy your own.
Yeah, exactly. 

1018
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Right, but if they it's 
cannabis. 

1019
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,000
They just go hell, there's that.
Interesting. 

1020
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,920
Yeah, that's all. 
And these were the people we 

1021
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,720
were taught to more or less 
avoid growing up. 

1022
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:18,840
You. 
Know, yeah. 

1023
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,520
And now as we get older and 
we're more experienced, these 

1024
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,160
are the kind of people we want 
to be around. 

1025
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,800
Yeah, because there's a sense of
brotherhood and goodwill 

1026
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,640
connection. 
And just like, yeah. 

1027
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,520
No bad, no bad vibes. 
It it was. 

1028
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,760
Just so cool because, you know, 
Brandon's a example of, of, of 

1029
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,160
that. 
You know, I, I actually, because

1030
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,440
of cannabis brought into my 
life, I've become more connected

1031
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,040
to people and a more spiritual, 
My relationship to God and 

1032
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,600
Christ is stronger than it's 
ever been. 

1033
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,400
I'm not saying it's dependent 
upon it, but it makes it a lot 

1034
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,120
more sensitive and I'm more open
to it. 

1035
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,920
And I'm not looking for fault in
myself nor in, in anything else.

1036
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,080
I'm just trying to be good. 
I'm just trying to be a good 

1037
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,320
human and sometimes I need help,
no. 

1038
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,240
That's the perfect way to say I 
couldn't have said any better. 

1039
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,600
Yeah, yeah, it's nice to have a 
little bit of bud and and just 

1040
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,520
be chill so. 
As a father and like using 

1041
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,400
cannabis, have you found that 
that helps with like your 

1042
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,400
interactions with your kids? 
Have you ever used cannabis with

1043
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,600
your kids? 
It's a again a good question, 

1044
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,920
not we. 
I don't do recreationally in the

1045
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,440
sense I sit around with them. 
And and I. 

1046
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,640
I don't use flowers, so I don't 
sit around and smoke with them. 

1047
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,440
But so there's a lot of 
demarcation that we don't, it's 

1048
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,880
not intentional where we sit 
down and say you guys do it 

1049
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,800
recreational and I do it 
medically because what they 

1050
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,280
would tell you is it's all the 
same, no more or less. 

1051
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,400
And I think they're right. 
But they, I mean, they don't use

1052
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,760
me as a supplier obviously, and 
they have their own. 

1053
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,040
Flags and so forth. 
But I won't say that that it 

1054
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,800
hasn't happened, but I more or 
less do it privately. 

1055
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,080
And they do, they have their own
social groups and so forth. 

1056
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:05,080
So there's pretty much a line 
between, but only because the 

1057
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,840
methods are different. 
They they prefer not to use the 

1058
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,680
pan. 
And I've heard you guys refer to

1059
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,720
as candy because it's just too 
easy to use and it's too 

1060
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,800
expensive to use. 
Did you go you burn through it 

1061
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,800
too quickly. 
So it's not there for, for, for,

1062
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,760
for preferred use, and I don't. 
And I don't. 

1063
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:22,920
It's what it's. 
Fleeting. 

1064
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,480
It's so expensive. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1065
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,080
And that's why I just, you know,
I I yeah, know exactly. 

1066
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,200
I that's why I didn't know that 
edibles are so great. 

1067
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,960
Tinctures. 
Have you used tinctures? 

1068
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,120
I love. 
Tinctures, yeah, but they take a

1069
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,320
little time to prepare. 
And I, I think at one time we 

1070
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,840
talked about doing tinctures. 
Yeah, I'd like to take you up 

1071
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,000
on, on that. 
It will. 

1072
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,040
Make you a tincture anytime you 
want. 

1073
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,680
Yeah, it. 
Takes some skill to to to know 

1074
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,840
how to do that. 
Yeah. 

1075
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,360
And oh, he. 
Creates amazing ones. 

1076
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,760
He gave me this one. 
What was it? 

1077
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,760
Oh, you're talking about it was 
green? 

1078
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,080
Crack. 
No, it was green crack and 

1079
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,640
something else. 
Cam Dog. 

1080
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,040
So it was. 
Chem Dog and and green Crack and

1081
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,240
he mixed them together. 
He called it green Dragon. 

1082
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,440
He put a it was on a bottle and 
he gave that to me and that 

1083
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,640
thing lasted forever. 
Yeah, because he's just making. 

1084
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,480
Large quantities too. 
Oh yeah. 

1085
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,120
I'm just this bottle, but I am, 
I'm like you. 

1086
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,560
I'm a light I I have the 
tolerance of a light consumer. 

1087
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,880
If I have a vape pen, I will use
it throughout the day because 

1088
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,040
I'm constantly thinking and I'll
just kind of I, I've just had 

1089
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,000
this oral fixation. 
So if I'm not chewing gum, I'll 

1090
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,800
be puffing on a pen and I'm 
like, oh, I gotta stop. 

1091
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,520
Well, then it. 
Comes down fast enough that you 

1092
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,720
kind of can with pens most of 
the time. 

1093
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:41,720
If you do use it that way and it
just, yeah, I mean this one, I 

1094
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:49,160
opened this one the a day ago 
and I probably used 1/4 of a 2G 

1095
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,480
cart. 
So yeah, I mean, he's it. 

1096
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,480
It just varies from person to 
person. 

1097
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,560
And what we learned, you know, 
is that your body has so many, 

1098
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,520
your endocannabinoid system is 
full of cannabis up to a certain

1099
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,800
point. 
And it says like, yeah, we're, 

1100
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,960
we're good on cannabinoids. 
Oh, well, your receptors you, 

1101
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,880
the more you consume and the 
longer you have consumed and 

1102
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,720
that the less CB1CB2 receptors 
you will have. 

1103
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,640
So the less high you will 
actually feel over time. 

1104
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,200
So if you want like for people 
who are like, man, I can't feel 

1105
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,720
high and that's what I'm looking
for, they can take a tolerance 

1106
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,560
break and those receptors will 
come back over time. 

1107
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,560
And then that initial first 
couple would be like, Oh my 

1108
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,240
goodness, I'm really high if 
that's what they're looking for.

1109
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,600
But again, most most people 
aren't looking just to be high 

1110
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,600
well and. 
And you're a great example of 

1111
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,440
that. 
Like you don't use copious 

1112
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,080
amounts, you just use enough 
for. 

1113
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,880
Two puffs in the evening, Yeah. 
Some in the morning if if it 

1114
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,760
needs be two puffs in the 
evening like that's pretty 

1115
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,080
great. 
And I I think a lot of people 

1116
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,840
feel that they are using too 
much. 

1117
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,960
Even if it was daily, that's not
a lot. 

1118
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,720
No. 
It's it's micro amounts. 

1119
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,760
How many? 
Medications do we take every 

1120
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,880
day, I mean well and. 
Speaking of that, what 

1121
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,840
medications were you on? 
Well. 

1122
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:17,080
The biggest one is is opioids 
now and tramadol and I'm I'm off

1123
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,320
that completely now. 
So I just and there were many 

1124
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,920
others I can't even remember now
that I just no wonder take so 

1125
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,680
and with chemotherapy. 
I know we we hear a lot about 

1126
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,760
that. 
It helps with appetite and 

1127
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,840
nausea. 
Is there anything else it helps 

1128
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,160
out with well? 
Octreotide acetate is the big 

1129
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,480
one and there's another one 
called lanrealtide. 

1130
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:42,520
And for those with carcinoma 
tumor, those are the two and 

1131
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,200
those are those are shots. 
I get those every 24 days. 

1132
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,240
Nothing removes the cancer or 
nothing takes it away. 

1133
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:55,480
I'm in stage 4 cancer right now.
So, and and incidentally, I 

1134
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,800
better go go back before I 
forget what I'm saying. 

1135
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,440
So remind me, I was just going 
to say the, the, the stage 

1136
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,880
system in in describing cancer, 
stage one, 2-3 and four don't 

1137
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,520
necessarily have reference to 
the time you have remaining. 

1138
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Like, OK, tell me, doctor, how 
much time do I have left? 

1139
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,960
It's not that so much as it is 
the degree to which it can be 

1140
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,920
treated. 
So in my case where I have stage

1141
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:25,880
4 cancer and, and incidentally, 
it does mean longevity as well, 

1142
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,440
but it also means that there's 
nothing that can treat it. 

1143
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,280
Chemotherapy or radiation can't 
treat it because of the specific

1144
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,880
nature. 
So it has to run its course and 

1145
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,800
there's nothing that I can do to
reverse the cancer. 

1146
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,960
It just slowly runs its course. 
But I'm towards the very end of 

1147
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,760
of that process right now. 
So, and stage 4 doesn't 

1148
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,400
necessarily mean with most 
people that they're going to die

1149
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,680
right away. 
I've lived 15 years with this 

1150
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,120
cancer. 
But having said that, it could 

1151
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,600
mean that in my case, because 
I've I, because I have cancer, 

1152
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,440
I'll throw my body, my lungs, my
especially when it hits an 

1153
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,040
organ. 
You can radiate an organ, you 

1154
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:09,840
know? 
Yeah, you'll. 

1155
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,920
Destroy it. 
And I have it in or, or, or 

1156
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,080
transplanted, but I have it in 
my liver, but I have it on both 

1157
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,000
lumps on both sides. 
So you, you can live with half a

1158
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,600
liver. 
You can't live with no liver. 

1159
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,840
And you, it's difficult to, to 
replant a liver. 

1160
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,240
So, so it just runs this porous 
anyway that, that's just a 

1161
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,520
little side note now I told you 
to remind me what, what when I 

1162
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,160
was going with that. 
But, but I, I, I do remember you

1163
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:46,360
were asking me earlier about my 
wife's take on, on her, her 

1164
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,280
support on that. 
I, I think she, she obviously 

1165
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,120
doesn't take it herself because 
there's no need for it. 

1166
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,520
But but she's gotten to the 
point kind of like you were 

1167
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,000
saying, Jesse, where if she 
wants something done, and I 

1168
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,560
don't explicitly say no, but she
says, have you taken your 

1169
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,600
medication? 
No. 

1170
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,680
Well, maybe you should take it 
so we can get so we can get 

1171
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,040
something done around here. 
Because when I I get in that 

1172
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:19,000
zone, then I just, I get so 
fixated that I just do and do 

1173
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,280
and do and I'm thoughtless if I,
it depends on what strain I'm 

1174
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,200
taking. 
But the, the time just goes and 

1175
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,040
I just get in that zone and I 
can go all day long on a project

1176
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,960
if it's not a thought project. 
Yeah, I. 

1177
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,840
Can just go. 
On Forever SO. 

1178
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,280
Much can get accomplished so. 
Much can get accomplished, you 

1179
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,680
know, as long as I don't have 
to. 

1180
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,520
As long as you don't have the 
pain in that that keeps you from

1181
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,120
doing it all. 
Yeah, you can do that. 

1182
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,200
Yeah, I. 
Tend to get more stuff done on 

1183
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,160
that one because I'm not 
thinking about what I'm getting 

1184
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,320
out of it or what I could be 
doing. 

1185
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,040
And that's typically what gets 
in the way is you're just like, 

1186
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,920
well, I don't want to do that 
because of and then you list 

1187
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,760
your complaints instead of, OK. 
Yes. 

1188
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,680
And and so so she's actually 
supportive that's. 

1189
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,480
Cool of of that. 
For that and and I'm less 

1190
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,640
irritable too. 
Well, you found. 

1191
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,560
That out too with your wife? 
Oh. 

1192
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,120
It yeah, I am way less irritable
when I have cannabis in my 

1193
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,200
system 'cause there's there's 
times that it's like, yeah, I 

1194
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,880
just I need to go smoke. 
I need to go take a puff like I 

1195
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:28,280
am she's like, are you hurting? 
Yeah yeah, I'm, it's been a 

1196
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,680
minute like I'm hurting. 
Yeah, sorry. 

1197
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,440
Yeah, no. 
And I, and I'm, I mean, just 

1198
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,360
like Brandon, we're very open 
with their children. 

1199
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,960
And you know, it doesn't weird 
my kids out. 

1200
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,320
Mine either I, I. 
Go outside and you know, even my

1201
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,480
8 year old, he's like, what's 
that? 

1202
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,720
And I told him he goes, Oh yeah,
that's fine, 'cause my other 

1203
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,080
kids know they've they've known 
for a long time and, and. 

1204
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,280
They learn to look as something 
positive and something useful, 

1205
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,240
and they don't have that same 
stigma. 

1206
01:02:58,720 --> 01:02:59,920
Yeah, we. 
Don't want to continue that 

1207
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,320
that's going to change the 
future with cannabis. 

1208
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,600
You know that's where we have to
start. 

1209
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,960
You know we. 
Don't hide it when we take 

1210
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,120
ibuprofen or Tylenol or you 
know, Nyquil or something. 

1211
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,440
Like, why would we hide any 
other medication going, hey, 

1212
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,120
here's a tool that helps me to 
be the best version of me. 

1213
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,520
Why would I show you that this 
needs to be hidden or shameful 

1214
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,520
or like that maybe there might 
not be a value or use in your 

1215
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,040
life at some point when you're 
old enough. 

1216
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,680
Like why hide that? 
Why shame it, you know? 

1217
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,720
So I got to ask and and you can 
say, you know, I don't want to 

1218
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,680
go into that, but how does that 
has cannabis helped you a lot 

1219
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,920
with with your inner peace 
knowing that, you know, I mean, 

1220
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,800
you've lived 15 years with this 
and you know that eventually it 

1221
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,880
will it will come to an end and 
and probably sooner than later, 

1222
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,800
yeah. 
That's one of the things about 

1223
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,280
the carcinoid tumor is it's, 
it's lasts a long time. 

1224
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:04,120
It it's not an aggressive cancer
in in in that it shuts. 

1225
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,120
Everything down. 
So when you, when you live a 

1226
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,440
long time with cancer, you tend 
to become very philosophical and

1227
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,600
very thoughtful about life, very
mindful, mindful about 

1228
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,760
relationships. 
And that's one of the biggest 

1229
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,080
blessings I've had about having 
cancer in general, especially 

1230
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:26,040
the cancer I have right now. 
So that and the combination of, 

1231
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,760
of, of marijuana just just put 
you in that state of mind. 

1232
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,760
So I read more, I'm more 
thoughtful, I'm more generous, 

1233
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,480
my relationships with people. 
I mean, I like to think I am. 

1234
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,520
I've been told that. 
So no, it's been a big help. 

1235
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,640
So it's, it's opened up a lot of
new doors as far as being 

1236
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,520
thoughtful and generous to 
people. 

1237
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,280
I mean, I think this may be a 
better person. 

1238
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,120
Yeah, totally happen you. 
Feel like your cannabis use has 

1239
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,760
changed who you are as a person 
over the years in a in. 

1240
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,640
A beneficial way, there's no 
question. 

1241
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,480
And I suffered with depression. 
I didn't mention that at all. 

1242
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,160
We were talking about what was 
the term you used but like, oh. 

1243
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,760
We can bake. 
We can bake, Yeah, that's one 

1244
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,320
thing. 
In the morning. 

1245
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,320
That's when for me, depression 
hits first early thing in the 

1246
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,960
morning, and that immediately 
lifts that one in the morning. 

1247
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,400
And I don't do it every morning,
but the days. 

1248
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,760
That it's harder, yeah, on. 
Days when it's harder, it gets 

1249
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,560
me out of bed, it gives me an 
appetite and it gets me going in

1250
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,960
the morning. 
So absolutely, it's made me 

1251
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,840
better I. 
Mean, I think so many of us 

1252
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,560
struggle with depression and 
it's might not be an everyday 

1253
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,360
thing that it hits, but it is 
like, hey, some days are really 

1254
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:40,520
hard and it's like, I don't why 
you know, and you can if you can

1255
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,840
have maybe it isn't an all the 
time thing, but maybe for you, 

1256
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,840
cannabis is just a depressive 
thing that's like, hey, this is 

1257
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,160
my my really hard day. 
Maybe I just need to pick me up 

1258
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,920
to bring me to where I feel I 
should be or like to a more 

1259
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,840
normal level. 
Because life is hard. 

1260
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,600
Life has amazing moments, but 
there's definitely some really 

1261
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,160
hard moments. 
Well, yeah, and and, but I think

1262
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,400
everybody has that nowadays. 
And the reason why is we're so 

1263
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,560
starved for connection and we 
don't have the strong 

1264
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,320
relationships that we think we 
do. 

1265
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,440
And just like you stated, like I
have more meaningful and deeper 

1266
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,640
connections with people when I 
have a little bit of cannabis in

1267
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,640
my system because I'm not 
worried about what Jesse needs. 

1268
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,080
I want to learn about this 
person just because they're 

1269
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,280
another consciousness and 
they're experiencing life in a 

1270
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,960
completely different way than I 
am it. 

1271
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,920
That's why we're so fascinated 
with movies and shows because we

1272
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,360
get in live vicariously through 
somebody else because we only 

1273
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,840
know how we've lived that 
thought totally not able to be 

1274
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,840
produced without cannabis. 
So it's like I, I don't think is

1275
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,200
deep. 
I don't, I don't feel as 

1276
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,560
connected and when I do this I'm
naturally pulled to people that.

1277
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,640
Does it not deepen empathy 
totally other people entirely. 

1278
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,440
And you begin to see through the
eyes of the other people and it 

1279
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,800
entirely takes the focus off 
yourself onto the other person 

1280
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,040
and you feel. 
So this is where the the, the 

1281
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,880
hippie language starts to kick 
in. 

1282
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,240
You feel one with the other 
person, but you, you do, you 

1283
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,320
feel a sense of unity with the 
other person to where you feel 

1284
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,640
bonded to the other person. 
And you get a group of people 

1285
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:26,120
like that and everyone feels the
same vibe and you feel united as

1286
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,440
one group. 
Yeah, again, this is where 

1287
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,400
language escapes us, but that's 
the feeling you have. 

1288
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:32,960
Community. 
Yeah, community. 

1289
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,200
It's for life of everyone's 
community. 

1290
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,360
Yeah, it's. 
Kind of funny too, you know, 

1291
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,760
when we talk about religion, 
what's the number one thing that

1292
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:45,920
you know, we, we, we are trying 
to emanate, but we don't really 

1293
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,760
succeed in there. 
And that is to love one another.

1294
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,960
It it's a saying it, it's like, 
you know, where's the beef with 

1295
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,920
that line in the 80s, you know, 
with, with the Wendy's, you 

1296
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,760
know, where's the beef that that
it's nothing but A tag line. 

1297
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:05,160
And yet for them to be truly 
connected is to be vulnerable, 

1298
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,960
is to be open, is to be loving 
and empathetic. 

1299
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,800
And you feel that way on this. 
I just don't want to why would 

1300
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,800
you want to? 
And and the oneness thing, like 

1301
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,720
I really got into near death 
experiences, listened to this 

1302
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,479
one book, it, it brought me even
closer to God. 

1303
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,160
But I'll tell you what it was 
the cool experience was the 

1304
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,880
exact same thing that we get to 
feel all the time and so many 

1305
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,120
people miss out on. 
And it's what Brandon and I feel

1306
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,319
all the time. 
And I love this guy so much. 

1307
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:37,720
And it's oneness. 
That's what they would feel in 

1308
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,520
their Ndes. 
Like there was this bright 

1309
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,200
glowing love. 
And just like that dude on the 

1310
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,640
side of the street smoking a 
little pipe. 

1311
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,600
Yeah, he he did probably by far 
one of the most Christ like 

1312
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,240
things that anybody could do 
rather than the person who just 

1313
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,640
gives a dollar to some person on
the side of the road. 

1314
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,520
Here you go. 
Like truly accepting them a part

1315
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,080
of it. 
Like that's a that's a personal 

1316
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,160
thing, it. 
Is because he provided real 

1317
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,760
connection, Yeah, with with 
someone that he didn't know. 

1318
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,680
Instantaneously. 
Instantaneously you can't do. 

1319
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,359
That with a hot dog, Would you 
like a bite? 

1320
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,880
They're like, no, you wanna sit?
My soda like yeah exactly for. 

1321
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,760
Verbatability. 
Speaking or a casserole, you 

1322
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,760
know what I mean? 
Yeah, or it's a. 

1323
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,840
Jello, Yeah. 
Green jello salad. 

1324
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,240
Frog Eye. 
Salad right. 

1325
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,200
Funeral. 
Salad. 

1326
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,120
Yeah. 
Funeral salad, yeah, no funeral 

1327
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,840
potatoes and. 
That's the thing, maybe you hit,

1328
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,479
you hit it. 
That's the connection I've been 

1329
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,920
looking for as far as cannabis 
and Mormon culture. 

1330
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,520
See, to me, it's not how do I 
say this? 

1331
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:45,000
It's not truth claims that make 
me want to remain LDS. 

1332
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,319
It's the sense of community that
that we. 

1333
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:50,000
Guess. 
And that's the strongest thing. 

1334
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,680
But when? 
When that sense of connection 

1335
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,880
happens, and I mean it really 
happens. 

1336
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,560
And. 
In more than the circles, and 

1337
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,240
I'm going on on on a limb here, 
but it doesn't happen very 

1338
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,600
often. 
But once in a while we get it 

1339
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,240
like in the elders quorum or 
inactivity. 

1340
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,720
That connection happens once in 
a while. 

1341
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,040
And when it does happen it it's 
really, really joyful. 

1342
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,760
And that's one good reason for 
nothing else. 

1343
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,080
It's not for truth playing 
because I've had my I've 

1344
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,360
wrestled to the Matta Church on 
LTGB issues. 

1345
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:26,040
My son, you know, he's a, a 
transgender and that nearly that

1346
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,760
was 10 years ago and they nearly
ripped the family apart. 

1347
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,840
It was a big, big, big deal for 
us as far as I didn't. 

1348
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,760
Realize it 10 years ago Yeah, 
Garmino was telling me about it 

1349
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,200
20. ¥15.00 because my. 
Oldest is transgender, yeah. 

1350
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,600
So, so you, you, you get a sense
of exactly what that was like. 

1351
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,720
And, and there was no compromise
on the church in that position 

1352
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,200
that split the church apart. 
So we had to figure out where we

1353
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:54,280
all stood on that and we, we got
through that, that period 

1354
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,720
anyway. 
So my point was, is that I, I've

1355
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,920
had to wrestle with the church 
on a lot of issues, not just 

1356
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,880
cannabis, but it's a value to me
to hold the recommend. 

1357
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,320
But how does one hold? 
Again, we're talking to a 

1358
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,560
broader audience here. 
So we have to translate this a 

1359
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,280
little, a little bit, but a 
temple recommend card, and 

1360
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:21,280
that's what we use to go through
the Mormon temples in one pocket

1361
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,480
and in cannabis card in the 
other pocket and hold integrity 

1362
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,440
with both. 
It's possible, but some people 

1363
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:31,320
find it difficult to do. 
But there's ways to do it that 

1364
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,800
involves knowing how to do it. 
And that's what I'd like to do 

1365
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,920
is explore more and help people 
know how to do that. 

1366
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,680
But that involves me going back 
into my own store and figuring, 

1367
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,800
figuring how I did it. 
But I was one of the first to do

1368
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,160
it. 
You know, I was one of the first

1369
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,320
people to get a card when they 
became legal. 

1370
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,640
So in the future, I'd like to 
help people do that well. 

1371
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,520
You know the best way and and 
and I'm sorry, Brandon, I cut 

1372
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:56,400
you off there. 
Go ahead. 

1373
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:02,480
Is projection is perception. 
And and what I mean by that is, 

1374
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:06,880
is that I'm a good person. 
I'm a loving person. 

1375
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,640
I consider my I, I'm, I'm a 
religious person of Christ and 

1376
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,400
that's all I need to have. 
And when I project that out, I'm

1377
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:22,000
not what I consume. 
You are not what you eat, right?

1378
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,960
You are not what you smoke or or
drink or or whatever it is. 

1379
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,320
I am me and this is part of me 
and this helps me to do that. 

1380
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,240
I think the only thing that 
would do what, what we should be

1381
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,360
afraid of is that more people 
are gonna want to take your time

1382
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,480
and ask you more questions and 
smoke a bowl with you. 

1383
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,760
Other than, you know, 'cause 
that's, I had that happen a 

1384
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:47,120
couple of awards ago. 
Like got five other elders 

1385
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,040
reactivated and they were at my 
house smoking with me. 

1386
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:53,280
And they're like, man, you know,
I didn't know it would be this 

1387
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,600
way. 
And the unfortunate thing is 

1388
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,880
because I left, they all left 
too. 

1389
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,880
They're like, oh, I'm gonna hang
my hat there. 

1390
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,600
And it's, it's the community 
that they wanted that they 

1391
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,120
weren't getting. 
And and if and if we're gonna be

1392
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,720
so bold to be able to use that, 
then we need to be that example.

1393
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,040
Exactly right. 
I think you stayed that well. 

1394
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,160
Yeah, like you. 
Said that community that you 

1395
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:20,240
built, how many more meaningful 
conversations would happen in 

1396
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:24,920
every religion if they were 
utilizing probably the cannabis 

1397
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,960
in small doses and stuff where 
they're having these more 

1398
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,600
present connected thoughts and 
conversations and, and building 

1399
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,840
the community. 
You know, I couldn't tell you 

1400
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,720
how many times I was in elders 
quorum growing up in that and 

1401
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:41,080
everyone's on their phone or 
their head is on the chair in 

1402
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,840
front of them. 
How many people wake up from 

1403
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:44,880
sacrament with the mark of the 
beast on their forehead? 

1404
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,080
But. 
You know, rather. 

1405
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,200
Than be did I interrupt? 
No. 

1406
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,040
No, but. 
Rather than. 

1407
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,200
Be on your on your phone or or 
Daydream, you know, elders 

1408
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:55,840
quorum, doing whatever you're 
doing. 

1409
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,080
The tendency, as we all know 
when when you're high, is to 

1410
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:03,040
talk and talk and talk and keep 
talking, you know, and that's 

1411
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,760
what you want. 
Everyone is talking and 

1412
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,920
connecting. 
You're not doing that in elder 

1413
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,920
score. 
No, you're, you're. 

1414
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,240
Trying to do everything you can 
to get your mind off what's 

1415
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:16,240
occurring in front of you. 
So no, exactly right. 

1416
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:21,440
Kind of kind of on a a semi 
related note there I was reading

1417
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:25,560
an an interview with about well 
with Billy Billy Joel the 

1418
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:26,320
musician. 
And they? 

1419
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,920
Were asking me if he gets high 
during his performances. 

1420
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:30,920
He said no. 
No, he says. 

1421
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,720
I used to, he said, but my 
tendency was just to talk during

1422
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,800
the show and talk and talk and 
talk said and I never, the show 

1423
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,600
never went on because that's all
I did is talk. 

1424
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,880
And then said I wait till after 
the show and he would do it. 

1425
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,480
Yeah, then he would. 
Then he would talk to the 

1426
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:48,000
audience because all he wanted 
to do is just talk, you know, as

1427
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,440
you know. 
That's awesome. 

1428
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:50,800
I thought that was funny. 
That's. 

1429
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:51,360
Hilarious. 
I'm. 

1430
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,880
A huge Billy Joel fan I grew up 
listening to. 

1431
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,560
I remember I saw the River of 
Dreams Tory came through here. 

1432
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,680
That makes a lot of sense now, 
'cause he just was a chatterbox.

1433
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,240
But you know what that's what we
wanted too. 

1434
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,280
Exactly then that we want to 
know more about people. 

1435
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,680
I I want to know more about I, I
learned new stuff about Brandon 

1436
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,000
all the time. 
That's. 

1437
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,200
True. 
We've been friends for well over

1438
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,080
a decade and all the time it's 
like, I didn't know that. 

1439
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,000
Yeah, we. 
Talk every day and we get off 

1440
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,560
the phone. 
You know, it's surprising. 

1441
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,720
You know, I started with 
Brandon, 'cause I had this 

1442
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:27,200
during the pandemic or, you 
know, I, I was just, it was 

1443
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:31,040
before that time, I just had 
this inclination that I need to 

1444
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,920
tell them I love them. 
And, and with men, especially at

1445
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,520
that time, I mean, you didn't 
have any friends. 

1446
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,000
Friends don't just tell each 
other. 

1447
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,560
They love each other And, and 
they should. 

1448
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,600
And, and when I, when I did 
that, like ever since then, like

1449
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,360
he, he responded back right 
away. 

1450
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,640
And every time we get off the 
phone, Oh, I. 

1451
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,000
Love you bro. 
Yeah, I love you bro. 

1452
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,040
Every. 
Single time people give me 

1453
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,800
weird. 
Looks if I'm on my air pods and 

1454
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,200
I'm walking over to say hey love
you bro, I'm at the gym. 

1455
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,680
Love you bro, love you man my. 
Girlfriend and my kids give me 

1456
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,640
crap because it's constantly 
like oh is that your boyfriend? 

1457
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:08,040
Because we talk every day, we 
tell each other we love each 

1458
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:13,160
other all the time, like, but 
they just give you crap. 

1459
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,640
I'm I'm just guessing, but like,
like other things don't do that,

1460
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,080
like alcohol when I'm guessing 
when no, don't, doesn't do that.

1461
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,680
No, but there's something about 
being elevated that that brings 

1462
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,040
out the best from you, and that 
altruism just comes through 

1463
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:30,120
like. 
Effortlessly, effortlessly. 

1464
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,560
You know, I say that to elders 
quorum. 

1465
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,040
A lot of times I'll tell guys 
I'm like, hey, 'cause I now 

1466
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,760
we're at this one where each one
of these guys like, and there's 

1467
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:40,600
a lot of them in there. 
Each one gets to teach on a 

1468
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,360
Sunday and I'm like, oh, that's 
not fair to us. 

1469
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,360
Because there's a guy up there. 
He's like, clearly I am not OK 

1470
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,480
with this. 
This is making me very nervous. 

1471
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,120
Shouldn't be forced upon 
exercise the traits of somebody 

1472
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,080
who's willing to do that. 
When I did it over there, I was 

1473
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:59,440
telling guys I love you. 
I made six dudes really 

1474
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:03,280
uncomfortable. 
This guy was like, I saved that 

1475
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,480
word for people I love. 
And I'm like, right. 

1476
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,120
So if Christ was here right now,
would you not say I love you to 

1477
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:11,880
him? 
Of course I would. 

1478
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,200
Well then say it to me because 
we are supposed to be as as who?

1479
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,200
And he goes, well, yeah. 
And I'm like, but you still 

1480
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:21,920
can't let go of that. 
And that's OK, That's cool. 

1481
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,320
And he's like, no. 
And then he came up to me after 

1482
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,400
and he was not, he wasn't happy 
about it. 

1483
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:28,560
He was just like, hey, yeah, I 
didn't really didn't like that 

1484
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,480
question. 
I'm like I said, well, tough 

1485
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:33,720
shit. 
Too close to home. 

1486
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,840
He was like, I didn't think I, 
I'm not OK thinking about that. 

1487
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:41,440
And like, well, Christ, like 
love is a hard thing to come by,

1488
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:42,960
I guess. 
Yeah, I mean, I told him, I 

1489
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,560
said, you know, you dickheads 
need to be able to tell each 

1490
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,480
other you love each other. 
Aren't we supposed to serve one 

1491
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:49,240
another and care about one 
another? 

1492
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,880
What's one of the of your? 
Neighbor as yourself, the two. 

1493
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,480
So are you not, do you not love 
yourself or do you not love your

1494
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:55,640
neighbor? 
Like, yeah. 

1495
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,400
That's right it. 
It breaks down all those 

1496
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:01,640
inhibitions that we have and all
those stereotypes and stigmas 

1497
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,120
about male stigmas that we have 
with each other. 

1498
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,760
It breaks all those down so we 
can just be ourselves. 

1499
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:07,800
Which? 
Is funny. 

1500
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:13,040
I mean, I got I, I got a guy 
here that is, he's just, he's a 

1501
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,400
devoted person to his 
consciousness and other 

1502
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,240
consciousness. 
Is that not the same? 

1503
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,560
Is that not the same? 
And the other part is, is that, 

1504
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,080
you know, what is it the two 
most important commandments, 

1505
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,640
right? 
We got over there, love that, 

1506
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,640
love God and no other before 
him, right? 

1507
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,480
And then love thy neighbor. 
And what do those both do? 

1508
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,080
They set you up for service of 
others because that's the most 

1509
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,200
fulfilling, right? 
Right. 

1510
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,640
Seriously. 
It's like, you know, we were 

1511
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,360
joking around about even 
cannabis over there. 

1512
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,480
I would not. 
I mean, if somebody came over to

1513
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:45,440
you going, hey, can I have like 
1/4 of your pizza? 

1514
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,200
You you'd be reluctant, Yeah. 
But if somebody asked you, hey, 

1515
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:50,240
can I have some of your 
cannabis? 

1516
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:51,600
I wouldn't. 
No. 

1517
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,320
Yeah. 
Not even a hesitation, Yeah. 

1518
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,080
Like if I'm sitting down eating 
a steak and someone walks up 

1519
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,240
some random dude is like can I 
have a bite of that be like no, 

1520
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:02,480
but now. 
I, I kind of, I, I don't know, 

1521
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:05,920
I, I almost now would like, you 
know, and be like, yeah, it. 

1522
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,360
Seems weird, like you'd have to 
probably think about it, but 

1523
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,520
like, if I'm puffing on a pen or
a joint or a vaporizer and 

1524
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:13,720
someone's like, can I have a 
hit? 

1525
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,320
Hell yeah, man. 
You want to? 

1526
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:16,800
Let's have a sash like you want 
them to. 

1527
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,960
Have the same experience that 
you're having and and part of 

1528
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,720
this is you, you want to feel 
united to them and you want to 

1529
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,520
connect with them. 
And if. 

1530
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,320
OK, so I'm feeling happy, I'm 
feeling less pain. 

1531
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:31,840
I'm feeling, you know, close, 
connected. 

1532
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,880
I met this new person. 
What? 

1533
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,120
Why wouldn't I want them to feel
that? 

1534
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,720
And if they're OK with this, why
wouldn't I? 

1535
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,000
Yeah, here. 
Why not? 

1536
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,200
I have this. 
I'm not hoarding it. 

1537
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,560
Like there's not enough to go 
around. 

1538
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,360
Like you can't be happy too. 
Like it doesn't matter. 

1539
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,120
It's like. 
Sharing love, you know, that's 

1540
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,000
why that guy was upset with it, 
because, you know, I wasn't, I 

1541
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,160
wasn't brought up in a home 
where I heard my parents tell me

1542
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,720
they love me all the time, you 
know, and, and my mom listens to

1543
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,480
the show and she's going to be 
frustrated with this part. 

1544
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,640
But you know it, it wasn't said 
all the time, nor could they. 

1545
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,400
I was a latchkey kid. 
I was too. 

1546
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,640
You know, my parents both worked
I during the summers was I saw 

1547
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,000
my parents when they came home 
after 5 that was it. 

1548
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:21,160
And it was dinner a little bit 
of time go to bed like I rarely 

1549
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,960
saw my parents and they did 
everything for us. 

1550
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,080
But at the same time, I never 
got that. 

1551
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:32,000
But in my home, I love you is is
so common everything that's all 

1552
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,000
I my kids know that all the time
and they say I love you to us 

1553
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,000
all the time. 
To teach them that way. 

1554
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,960
It's it's funny, it becomes. 
The culture of the home it 

1555
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,200
really. 
Does like, will my kids use 

1556
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:45,480
cannabis? 
Probably. 

1557
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,120
And I'm fine with that. 
It's not it, it, you know, if 

1558
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,160
you know, my son has already 
experimented quite a bit on his 

1559
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:56,760
own and unfortunately as around 
other stupid kids and so, but 

1560
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,280
it, it's good, 'cause we had the
connection. 

1561
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:00,680
I told Bran about it and he 
called me up and he's just like,

1562
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,520
dad, I'm not OK. 
And I'm at school. 

1563
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,760
I'm like, where are you? 
And he goes, I'm, I'm in my 

1564
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,280
class. 
I'm like, all right, I'll meet 

1565
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,800
you at the front. 
But you see, Jesse, if it wasn't

1566
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:14,600
all those talks about normal, or
I mean those times of normalcy 

1567
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,280
where you talked about it 
openly, he wouldn't have picked 

1568
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,760
up the phone and called you like
that. 

1569
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,880
No, that wouldn't have been 
possible. 

1570
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,480
He wouldn't. 
Have felt safe enough to do it. 

1571
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:23,520
Felt safe. 
Oh, yeah. 

1572
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,400
And there's no way. 
Like I remember getting drunk in

1573
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,360
high school and I'm like, 
there's I was like, call your 

1574
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:30,240
dad. 
No, I don't want my ass beat. 

1575
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,320
And I was just like, I'm just 
going to have to struggle with 

1576
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:35,840
it. 
But shouldn't we be able to turn

1577
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,320
to those that care for us, 
right? 

1578
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,920
I know Brandon Brandon's done 
that so many times for his 

1579
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,040
daughters. 
I mean, he's unfortunately got 

1580
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:47,440
that where his wife is. 
His ex-wife is, is clear across 

1581
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:50,560
the country. 
And yet he will drop anything if

1582
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,800
something was going on, which 
has happened. 

1583
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:54,960
He was just like looking for a 
flight. 

1584
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,520
I gotta get down there, you 
know? 

1585
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:01,200
And it's because he's been able 
to give that love so much to his

1586
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:02,960
daughters. 
And that's what he can give to 

1587
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,240
everybody else. 
And it's it's cool. 

1588
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,960
So it's the fun thing about it 
is, is that, you know, when 

1589
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,800
we've talked about, you know, 
have, you know, being Christians

1590
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:17,320
ourselves and that Brandon 
chooses not to do that. 

1591
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,400
It doesn't matter. 
We're all the same. 

1592
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,440
And because we're joined by love
and and affection towards other 

1593
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:25,800
people, it it takes nothing 
away. 

1594
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,600
Like, I don't think I'm better 
than Brandon. 

1595
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,120
Brandon thinks he's better than 
me sometimes, yeah. 

1596
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,320
But that's only 'cause I'm like,
a little taller. 

1597
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,160
Just kidding. 
No, but. 

1598
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,680
I mean, it's that's why our 
relationship has has been able 

1599
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,600
to last so long. 
Have we had differences? 

1600
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,960
Sure, but they're squashed 
pretty quickly because we love 

1601
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:46,720
each other. 
I'm. 

1602
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,520
Just true. 
It's like like when you guys 

1603
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,880
call each other. 
Did you mention this earlier 

1604
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,240
when you were talking? 
Did you like to talk to each 

1605
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,720
other? 
But when, when you're high and 

1606
01:22:55,720 --> 01:23:00,560
you connect, don't you have life
moments where you you connect 

1607
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,400
like you have a philosophical 
idea and all of a sudden, but 

1608
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,040
you, you think you're you, 
you're the only one that's had 

1609
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,520
this idea and then you share it 
with him. 

1610
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,680
You're thinking, I've always 
thought that, but you're the 

1611
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,800
only one that thought. 
You thought that you're the only

1612
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,920
one in the whole universe who 
who's never had that thought and

1613
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,440
all. 
And you thought the same thing. 

1614
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:20,280
You thought you were doing one 
that had that thought and you 

1615
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,560
share it together and you 
thought and also you connect 

1616
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:23,840
with each other and you're like,
wow. 

1617
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:29,160
But I don't know what it is. 
And maybe, yeah, I'm just sure 

1618
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:33,160
it's all scientific, but it 
accesses areas of your brain 

1619
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,160
where you have these interesting
thoughts, but they come and go 

1620
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,760
in a flash. 
Yeah, but. 

1621
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,120
And they're usually, in my 
experience, in the very 

1622
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,160
beginning, and then they go 
again. 

1623
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:47,400
But if you have someone to share
with, it's really cool, you know

1624
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:48,520
what I'm saying? 
Totally. 

1625
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Yeah, the best. 
Conversations come, I think, 

1626
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,920
when we're both elevated. 
Yeah, we'll. 

1627
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,200
Talk for hours. 
We went down to yeah, we will. 

1628
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,040
Sometimes our conversation is 
like an hour and that's pretty 

1629
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,320
normal. 
But if we're both high, if we're

1630
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,480
both elevated, it'll go for 
hours. 

1631
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,560
And yeah, we. 
Drove down to Vegas and the. 

1632
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,400
Entire time we were puffing on 
different pens, vaporizers and 

1633
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,760
stuff and it felt. 
Like no time at all it was. 

1634
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,840
No time and we had these amazing
conversations and we're like 

1635
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,120
yeah man, we, we've never done 
this. 

1636
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,760
We've never gone on or I guess 
it had been ages 'cause the last

1637
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:21,840
time we had gone on that. 
Yeah, we. 

1638
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,320
Went to, was to to dinosaur. 
Dinosaur. 

1639
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:28,080
Colorado, yeah, but that has 
been years and so we're like 

1640
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,080
man, this has been years since 
we've actually just like hung 

1641
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,480
out this close without it cuz 
the last 2-3 years when we hang 

1642
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:39,560
out and smoke and do that, it's 
usually recording yeah, so. 

1643
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:44,200
Yeah, we rarely can get together
and just differences of time and

1644
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,800
all that distance. 
But at the same time though, 

1645
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,960
like when we did that, like it 
just went so long and just like 

1646
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,920
you met like it's, it's almost 
like women in their periods 

1647
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,880
syncing up, right? 
Like you sync up with another 

1648
01:24:55,880 --> 01:25:00,960
Cannada boy, Cannada boy 
Cannaboy, right? 

1649
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,520
We'll just call it that, right. 
I, I was gonna say cannabinoid 

1650
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,360
and you know, you got that 
cannabinoid. 

1651
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,080
In fact, you you sync up with 
somebody, you know when somebody

1652
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:16,280
else's uses, right, cough a 
certain question or a tone and 

1653
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,240
you'll be like, hey, what, 
what's strange? 

1654
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:24,960
Like I was at a Walgreens and I 
just bought a battery and I had 

1655
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,680
this lanyard over there and it 
says the cannabis, which is no 

1656
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,520
longer around, but this is the 
cannabis. 

1657
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,920
And she goes, do you use? 
And that was so crazy. 

1658
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,440
I didn't know this girl, she's 
from LA, just got a job here. 

1659
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,760
She didn't look like she's very 
happy to be there. 

1660
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,320
I said, yeah, what's your 
favorite strain? 

1661
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:46,440
First question. 
She goes, oh, that's a good 

1662
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:49,040
question. 
And then she told me which one 

1663
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,280
it was. 
And I told her what I what I'm 

1664
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,440
using currently. 
And she was like, oh, cool, I'm 

1665
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:55,560
gonna write that down like it 
was. 

1666
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,680
So I don't know this person. 
I can't, I mean, I will, I'll 

1667
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,560
randomly strike up conversation 
with anybody. 

1668
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:06,040
But it, it was struck up by them
because we knew. 

1669
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,000
We just knew. 
It's just a little sign you're 

1670
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,040
going, hey. 
It happens all the time. 

1671
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,320
I usually notice it's when I'm 
wearing like a cannabis school 

1672
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,800
shirt or something that someone 
will approach me and then we'll 

1673
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,520
just have this whole 
conversation about cannabis like

1674
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:19,680
you've been friends. 
Forever, Yeah, and I'm. 

1675
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,840
Like, oh cool, like person in 
the gym, Oh cool, well, good to 

1676
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,680
meet you. 
And that happens all the time. 

1677
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,040
But it's just because there's 
this instant connection of like,

1678
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:33,440
hey, I use cannabis too and 
that's it. 

1679
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,880
And it, I mean, but that's it 
doesn't matter where you are 

1680
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,200
around the world. 
I feel like that. 

1681
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,040
But but even that little 
information, there's a 

1682
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,200
connection which is beyond your 
regular connection when you meet

1683
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,200
people and find oh you, you're a
mistake. 

1684
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,160
But when you find out that you 
both have used cannabis, there's

1685
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,360
a connection there. 
I think it's because you maybe 

1686
01:26:53,360 --> 01:27:00,400
have like, you understand the 
same altered state and people 

1687
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,280
chase altered states or altered 
traits often. 

1688
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:10,080
And if you find a person who 
understands or is on that same 

1689
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,480
understanding of like, hey, I 
know that this gives me benefit.

1690
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,560
Like you said, it's made you a 
better person. 

1691
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:21,560
I know that I am much better of 
a person, way less of an asshole

1692
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,040
than I was. 
This is true 10 years ago. 

1693
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:27,240
Yeah, exactly. 
And I know like a lot of that 

1694
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:31,280
comes from the introspection 
that has come through cannabis. 

1695
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,000
Yeah, I, this has been amazing. 
And you know, I really 

1696
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,240
appreciate your openness during 
this. 

1697
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,040
This has been tremendous. 
And I, I would dare to say 

1698
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,200
'cause I know there's a lot of 
LDS people that listen to this 

1699
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:49,400
as well, start being that 
example. 

1700
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,640
It's OK. 
It's, it's it, it's something 

1701
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,240
that'll help you to be more 
connected. 

1702
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,520
So if you've been thinking about
it, go ahead. 

1703
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,240
And if you don't want to use it,
no peer pressure. 

1704
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,520
Like literally I don't know 
anybody who pushes cannabis like

1705
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,040
you should buy some. 
You should try. 

1706
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,800
I mean, I tell people like. 
McDonald's is more of a drug 

1707
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,040
pusher, I think I'm. 
Yeah, I think I'm way more 

1708
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:16,240
skeptical with people because 
I'm like maybe but like maybe 

1709
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:19,000
you should try it. 
But I want to understand 

1710
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,640
everything they're going through
and that to go, OK, well, maybe 

1711
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:25,880
maybe try this dose try this 
thing, do this like well and. 

1712
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,040
A lot of that came from the 
experience you have with your 

1713
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,920
brother too 'cause I know you've
been very grandma. 

1714
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,400
And my sister-in-law, like, 
there's all of these experiences

1715
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,680
over the years with like, 
introducing people to cannabis, 

1716
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,360
showing them what that looks 
like and just seeing the 

1717
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:45,360
difference even in dosing, like 
small dosing, yeah. 

1718
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,120
We would never do that kind of 
dose and it would be like, you 

1719
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,960
know, but even you like taking a
couple hits from the pen, like 

1720
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,720
even for them, that's a lot and 
and they don't realize that's 

1721
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:58,240
why you got to respect it. 
But it's such AI don't know. 

1722
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:03,040
It's it's refreshing. 
And I'm I, I was, I didn't know 

1723
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,280
if you were going to, you were 
going to be open enough to be on

1724
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:06,360
it. 
But Brandon's like, dude, we got

1725
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:07,280
him. 
I'm like, sweet. 

1726
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,880
I can't, I can't wait for this 
conversation. 

1727
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,400
Yeah. 
Well, thank you so much. 

1728
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:15,440
I and I, you know, I think 
there's a bright horizon ahead. 

1729
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,640
I was just hearing about in 
Maryland, they commute, not 

1730
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,680
commuted. 
I don't know the right word, but

1731
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,320
the governor I want. 
Oh, they got rid of a lot of 

1732
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:28,000
convictions for cannabis and 
they, yeah, what's the term? 

1733
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:33,320
They wiped them out or whatever 
overturned. 175,000 what? 

1734
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,480
Yeah, 175,000 just wiped them 
out completely. 

1735
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,640
Cannabis convictions, yeah. 
Convictions because they they 

1736
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:45,120
had legalized cannabis and so 
you, you can't have 175,000 in 

1737
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,760
jail and legalize it. 
Yeah, you see what I'm saying? 

1738
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,680
For the same thing, for the same
thing. 

1739
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,280
So which is, I mean, it's, I 
know it's medical here, but I 

1740
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,360
actually have heard that there 
are people who have gotten 

1741
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:01,120
arrested here still within that,
not for like moving large 

1742
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:06,600
amounts and stuff, or one person
who was medical who tried to 

1743
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,640
grow his own here and got 
arrested just for medical. 

1744
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,040
And I'm like, I, I feel like 
it's tough because there's 

1745
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:16,760
recent things that have 
happened. 

1746
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,920
Like I, I read a thing that was 
in LA high Times and it was 

1747
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,720
talking about carts and issues 
with carts because they tested 

1748
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:30,720
48 companies out in California 
and out of those 48, it was in 

1749
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:34,320
the mid to high 20s of those 
companies had heavy metals and 

1750
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,920
pesticides that should not have 
been in there that weren't on 

1751
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:41,480
their Co as Stizzy was in there 
too. 

1752
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,320
One of them, Not all of 
Stizzy's, but just one. 

1753
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,240
Not one surprised me. 
Well. 

1754
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,720
And it'd be as that's kind of 
why I've really liked this state

1755
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,400
because of that. 
I mean, it's that's. 

1756
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:52,960
Why? 
I thought home grown allowing 

1757
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:57,720
someone to be able to cultivate 
their own medicine removes. 

1758
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,880
It. 
Was here in the original Prop 2 

1759
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,920
if you live more than 100 miles 
away, but they removed that in 

1760
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,440
the HB1O2 so that's not in right
now. 

1761
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:13,000
So yeah, that that was something
that initially I was like, oh, 

1762
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,400
that'd be cool, but I don't live
anywhere near 100 miles away 

1763
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,280
from a pharmacy. 
So yeah, but you. 

1764
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:19,720
Think about those people down 
South. 

1765
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,280
Yes, 'cause there's there's no 
pharmacies out there for them. 

1766
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:28,200
Or Far East, like they don't 
have the ability to be able to 

1767
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:32,160
go, hey, let's take three hours,
let's drive their dispensary and

1768
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:33,640
then go back home. 
But that's. 

1769
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,440
Pure Utah is the closest one 
they have going north. 

1770
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,960
Pure Utah. 
They have to go out of state but

1771
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,200
there's no way they have to 
travel 3 hours. 

1772
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,040
So then. 
They're either driving to like 

1773
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,440
Nevada or dragon or not 
dragonfly dinosaur because 

1774
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,160
they're like OK, well, this is 
closer right They. 

1775
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:53,680
Gotta go through Vernal but 
then. 

1776
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,840
They're out and you're looking 
at it and you go to these every 

1777
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,560
time we go to them, these 
dispensaries across the border, 

1778
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,680
every plate is Utah. 
And you're like, so how many 

1779
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,840
client like how much business 
does Utah lose because of their 

1780
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,640
margins, because of their like 
restrictions that they have on 

1781
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:12,040
the amount of pharmacies we can 
have on placement of them? 

1782
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,720
Because if you look at it, 
they're literally all up and 

1783
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:16,840
down I-15 down the center of 
Utah, that's it. 

1784
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:19,920
And in the main populated areas,
but. 

1785
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,800
It's also like when you look at 
that, like how many people, I 

1786
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,840
mean, clearly there's a demand, 
right? 

1787
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:30,360
That's why I mean, the church 
had to finally go, all right, 

1788
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,240
fine, because there was so much 
demand. 

1789
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:35,840
They're like, hey, we really 
want this. 

1790
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,760
And they took everything as far 
as anecdotal, like, oh, that's 

1791
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,280
anecdotal. 
You know, we have our we have 

1792
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,720
our own people that medically we
talk to like, yeah, well, 

1793
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,600
they're all biased. 
And so it's just being open 

1794
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:48,840
minded. 
But yeah, I mean, that's one of 

1795
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,600
the things that I really like. 
Brandon, you were, you were 

1796
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,920
bringing up. 
I'm, I'm, I've never been, I've 

1797
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,600
always been wary of carts unless
they come from a very reputable 

1798
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:58,840
area. 
And that's one of the things 

1799
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:00,920
that I've really enjoyed about 
the cannabis that we've consumed

1800
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:01,640
here. 
Utah. 

1801
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,120
It's been great, very strict. 
Yeah. 

1802
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:05,840
I mean, at first it was. 
I've been. 

1803
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,520
Disappointed. 
I did notice Highlight brand has

1804
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,200
a synthesized cannabinoid that 
they put in their cart. 

1805
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:14,800
Highlight. 
OK, highlight. 

1806
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,600
So this is just my, I would stay
away from them because any brand

1807
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:22,280
who's putting in synthesized 
cannabinoids here means it's not

1808
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,880
a real naturally like they had 
to make that well. 

1809
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,440
I mean, Florida's making some 
changes and some waves right now

1810
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,120
as far as reclassification of 
the farm bill because there's 

1811
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:33,880
that's actually. 
Going through I know you're, 

1812
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:35,960
they don't. 
I don't know it it just started,

1813
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,880
it just started. 
But we'll, the whole nation, as 

1814
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,960
far as cannabis is concerned, is
watching this pretty closely 

1815
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:47,200
because it would it would get 
rid of D8D8 would be illegal. 

1816
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,480
D9 THC from hemp THCA What would
that. 

1817
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,840
Do to all the drink the problem.
With THC, the problem with THCA 

1818
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,920
is technically, and this is what
we've talked about before is 

1819
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,360
it's literally the only 
difference between ACOA because 

1820
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:07,120
the product in California, the 
product here, the product 

1821
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:13,320
anywhere is technically THCA 
until you activate it and then 

1822
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,120
it's THC. 
So everyone is selling THCA 

1823
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:21,120
whether it's branded THCA or 
it's branded D9 THC. 

1824
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:25,000
So they're still selling that 
same product. 

1825
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,600
So even if they get rid of that,
that doesn't work because 

1826
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,160
technically the legal COA that 
should be going out and if they 

1827
01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:36,600
technically label it with the 
correct compounds, they would 

1828
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,920
all be THCA well. 
And it, it, I think the big 

1829
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:42,800
thing is, is that they're trying
to make sure 'cause there's a 

1830
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,480
lot of shady companies out there
that are creating these 

1831
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:48,880
products. 
It's the same thing with the 

1832
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,280
psilocybin gummies. 
Yeah, the psilocybin gummies are

1833
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,560
made with the there was. 
It. 

1834
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,040
It doesn't have actual physical 
mushrooms in there, One of them 

1835
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,040
was. 
Found with D8 in it. 

1836
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:05,200
Yeah, yeah, there was a, I write
an article, it talked about 

1837
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,920
there was like 4 or 8 counts of 
seizures that had happened from 

1838
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:13,360
these microdosing mushroom 
gummies because they had D8 and 

1839
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:17,280
all this other crap in it and 
weren't actually just mushroom 

1840
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:18,920
microdosing gummies. 
Well. 

1841
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:23,320
And and I think that the the 
bill is possibly the intent is, 

1842
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:27,360
I don't know 100%, but possibly 
the intent is to being able to 

1843
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:32,920
go OK, we'll fine if cannabis 
now is a schedule 3, then these 

1844
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,800
other ones have to go is that. 
What they're saying that? 

1845
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,320
That's what I'm thinking based 
off of what I've read and and 

1846
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,960
then and different talking 
heads, because if, if that was 

1847
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,760
so, because I do believe in 
Brandon believes the same thing 

1848
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,800
is that these synthetic 
cannabinoids are not good for 

1849
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,080
you. 
They're not good for you at all.

1850
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:56,480
It's so bad it it's like eating 
3D printed meat to me. 

1851
01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:00,760
It's like that shouldn't happen 
and that's gross and that's how 

1852
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,160
we feel about Delta. 
Hey, it's disgusting. 

1853
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,240
But if you don't know, you don't
know. 

1854
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,280
So you think that's the way it's
supposed to feel. 

1855
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,200
So if by doing that one, they 
would get rid of all these 

1856
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,080
companies. 
We know a lot of like D9 

1857
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,440
companies that create drinks and
and they're. 

1858
01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:18,240
Hemp derived, Yeah. 
They're hemp derived, but I 

1859
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:19,960
think this is what they're going
after. 

1860
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,760
It's like, fine, if this is 
gonna be legalized in one sense 

1861
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,280
or another, then it's gonna be 
legalized and all these other 

1862
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,920
synthetic ones need to go away. 
And a lot of people aren't 

1863
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,960
taking it that way. 
And I understand, 'cause they 

1864
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:37,400
built their livelihood on this. 
They have companies, they they 

1865
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:39,320
products that they've invested 
into. 

1866
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,800
It would take a while for it to 
be established 'cause they would

1867
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:42,840
give me money if it goes, if 
it's. 

1868
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,400
Classified as class three, that 
would happen regardless. 

1869
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,760
Or do you think no I? 
Think it's just proposed because

1870
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,520
I we're at a crossroads with 
this right now. 

1871
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,480
Nobody knows what to do with it 
be they should just 

1872
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,520
decriminalize it. 
But then what would that do? 

1873
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:58,840
What would? 
That do there would. 

1874
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:04,240
Be a massive fallout too. 
Financially, societally change. 

1875
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:06,760
A lot of stuff, yeah, yeah. 
It'd be really different, like, 

1876
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,120
you know, if it wasn't illegal, 
then people be growing these 

1877
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,560
plants everywhere. 
You could grow it at home, but 

1878
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:16,360
then it takes away, I don't 
know, it's kind of like 

1879
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:18,520
vegetables. 
If vegetables can be grown 

1880
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,680
everywhere, how many people grow
them at home? 

1881
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,320
How many people go to the store 
to buy them? 

1882
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:24,520
Yeah, but how many people are 
actually good about what they're

1883
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,880
doing? 
How many people take shortcuts 

1884
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,320
well that they they don't mean 
on their tomatoes? 

1885
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,280
Well, as long as there's. 
Regulation though, so it becomes

1886
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,320
the same as like, well, who? 
Who manages that that well then?

1887
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:36,400
Who? 
Regulates that we have to put. 

1888
01:37:36,440 --> 01:37:40,120
So much in place that it it. 
Just becomes a slippery slope. 

1889
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:42,600
Either way you go, it's gonna 
suck either way. 

1890
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,360
That's the way I look at it. 
And I'm just like, OK, fine. 

1891
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,960
You know, it's, it's like 
tearing off a Band-Aid. 

1892
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:51,080
This, this shit's gonna hurt, 
but I'm gonna do it anyway. 

1893
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:52,920
It's gonna get it off. 
I'll. 

1894
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,040
I'll deal with the pain. 
We'll be fine. 

1895
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:57,800
It was the same thing like when 
the bill was passed. 

1896
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,240
It was like ridiculous blister 
packs for an hour. 

1897
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:01,960
Like for what? 
And it. 

1898
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:05,120
Was literally a gram in each 
blister pack and you let the 

1899
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,720
crap it was. 
Hard enough and when you go 

1900
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:08,320
outside of the state you could 
smell it. 

1901
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,160
They'll let you smell it now. 
Nope. 

1902
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,240
Yeah, that was ridiculous. 
You should do. 

1903
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:15,200
Scratch and sniff, right? 
Right, just go over. 

1904
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,320
There you just scratch it going,
oh, that's nice. 

1905
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,000
Just good, good good, good 
terpenes over there. 

1906
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,960
This is really frosty, isn't it?
I mean, it smells. 

1907
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,240
Like frosty nugs? 
Everybody would have those 

1908
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,640
stickers right here. 
All right. 

1909
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:32,600
I'm ready to go about that. 
My my wife thinks the smell is 

1910
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:36,360
awful, but that's okay. 
Yeah, it takes a while to be 

1911
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,560
accustomed to it. 
Hey, we appreciate you so much 

1912
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,160
over here. 
Our our audience. 

1913
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:42,960
I know that they're going to 
love this interview. 

1914
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:44,520
This is fantastic. 
Well, thank. 

1915
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,120
You so much, Jesse. 
Thank you, Brad. 

1916
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:47,280
Thanks. 
For coming on the show, it's 

1917
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,360
been really. 
Good to be here, really good to 

1918
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,320
visit with you. 
It's good to finally get 

1919
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,600
together like this. 
It's been a while, so thank you 

1920
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:54,400
both. 
Wonderful. 

1921
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:55,720
Conversation. 
Yeah. 

1922
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:57,800
And to our our audience, we love
you guys. 

1923
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,800
Thank you. 
Patreon members, remember, you 

1924
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:01,000
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1925
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:06,680
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Brandon, parting words and we'll

1926
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:07,280
see you next week.